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Why is it such a big deal that Magneto is a "nazi"

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Why is it such a big deal that Magneto is a "nazi" because he works for Hydra? I understood the twist of Captain America working for Hydra, but wasn't Magneto always a fucking nazi in the first place? The only more nazi-like character in Marvel is Red Skull.

I mean, Magneto supports the oppression and elimination of normal humans in favour of mutant supremacy. It's basically the same ideals of the ubermensch, and he often turns to violence against normal people to accomplish this end. In fact, the primary reason he is evil is because he's a hypocrite who suffered under the Nazi regime, yet mimics all of their behaviours in his view between "species" of humans.

People who read super hero comics should be used to terrible writing by now, but this is in no way a twist. It's like finding out that Peter Parker probably enjoys pizza since he's from New York and he works as a pizza delivery boy.
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Because he's a joo. That's literally it.
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>>90520732
The Jews in Israel also mimic the behaviours of the Nazis, so anybody with an ounce of worldly knowledge shouldn't be surprised by that either. Are fans of Marvel comics just manchildren who have never opened a newspaper?
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>>90520672
Yes, Magneto is more of a nazi than Hydra has ever been.
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>>90520773
They aren't fans of Marvel. The people that complain about these things don't read comics, this has already been well established.
It's why Marvel gets on the verge of bankruptcy every time they pander to them.
They'll post on social media about how great Marvel is for having a muslim cunt, or a black legacy hero or gays or whatever but they won't actually buy and read that issue.
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>>90520784
lol what comic is this?
Magneto had a country before Genosha?
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>>90520773
>The Jews in Israel also mimic the behaviours of the Nazis

this
They consider non-jews inferior in their religion.
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>>90520672
Because Magneto would never bow down to his oppressors, and to inferior flatscans.
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>>90520672
it strikes me as so fuckign retarded becasue they just recently (2 years ago?) had an event where mags had quite a big role on the good guys versus red skull.

There was even pages to him denouncing nazis and stuff. So this isnt some sort of retcon of small old details people may have forgotten, this large part of his history was USED just recently

i mean im glad marvel is backtracking on the whole over the top PC stuff but this is just retarded. Can someone post any pages from AXIS where magnetos at the hydra camp talking with red skull?
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Wasn't Magneto a good guy for like 10 years?
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Magneto doesn't support the oppression and elimination of normal humans though.
He's just a mutant nationalist who tries to achieve his goals through violent means because he doesn't believe there's any other way.
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>>90520672
Anyone that gets mad about an Steve hydra or this a stupid or never actually read the comic. Most people understand that status quo return. It's not like Steve suddenly revealed he was Hydra the whole time without explanation, a reality warper made him that way, that same warper is still around and in the event. It's obvious she will turn him back, especially since Kobik doesn't know Hydra is evil and that is the only thing keeping her on their side. Magneto will probably be the same but there is no point in bitching about a comic that hasn't come out yet.
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>>90521104
yeah but lol man come on this writers onto something1!1
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>>90520732
I read that as "because he's a jojo", I hate this website.
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>>90521411
Thanks for telling us that you saw it as Jojo
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>>90520672
Better question is when will Marvel have to do something about the whole holocaust backstory? Even if say Magento was born in a concentration camp the last year of the Holocaust he'd still be 72 years old. He is ageing out of that tragedy.
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>>90520672
>Why is it such a big deal that Magneto is a "nazi" because he works for Hydra?
Steve's Hydra is not nazi. Although it is still a fascist Hydra. People nowadays throw NAZI and HITLER to everything from Obama to Trump to donuts. People are dumb, and also the ones who complain dont read the comics where it happens.
For that matter, superheroes have always been a fascist concept. You could argue even that Steve hasnt changed at all, just his origins that motivate him, people have always died indirectly for his actions, and he always have been a man of actions, actions who ultimately are about saving the world.

The only ones who complain right now are the idiots who dont read it. But still, Marvel use them for free publicity. Its not like they were buying the comic anyways, and whoever reads it they find out the story is actually interesting.
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>>90521147
No hes not. hes a violent murderer who wants to kill all normies. Hes a terrorist. God I hate how people have spun him into an anti-hero or even a full blown good guy. Morrison was right to do what he did with Magneto and then marvel fucked it over immediately.
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>>90521583
He's been deaged several times now so that's not an issue.
>>90521676
>hes a violent murderer who wants to kill all normies. Hes a terrorist. God I hate how people have spun him into an anti-hero or even a full blown good guy.

This would be accurate if you were talking about Magneto in the 60s or 90s or 00s. But Magneto has been an X-Man for most of this decade and hasn't done terrorism since Morrison which was more than a decade ago. It's called character progression. Until higher ups decide they want super villain Mags again.
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>>90521807
Has Mags ever received any karmic retribution for his earlier terrorist activities?
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Wait, where was Mags revealed to be part of Hydra?
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>>90522701

disregard that, i suck cocks and didn't just google it first.
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>>90520672
Sounds about right.
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>>90521104
He was a good guy from Uncanny X-Men 200 to whenever Acts of Vengeance happened

And he became good again in the 2000's when he joined Cyclops' Utopia based X-Men. Then he got branded a villain for helping Cyclops post AvX and decided to just role with the label becoming a more brutal vigilante
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>>90523001
> never posted the following sequence where Magneto buries Red Skull alive
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>>90523261
I have to tell you the jew gold thing is a edit.
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>>90520672
Because the irony of the character works better when he' a fascist in all but name. Making him a literal nazi weakens that.

But this doesn't matter, anyway. It's just another dumb twist that isn't gonna last.
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>>90521873
>karmic retribution
Well there was that time Xavier mind wiped him so hard it created Onslaught, which was after he pulled the adamantium from Wolverine's bones and earlier launched a global EMP that surely racked up a high number of fatalities

That's his only large scale crime. Either with Marvel's retcon or Morrison's intended story he's not guilty of Planet X
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>>90523315
yeah it's water
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>>90523458
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>>90520672
>>>90520672
>Better question is when will Marvel have to do something about the whole holocaust backstory? Even if say Magento was born in a concentration camp the last year of the Holocaust he'd still be 72 years old. He is ageing out of that tragedy.
Marvel Time. Learn about it, its basic for understanding our type of funny books.
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>>90521873
In small doses.
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>>90521873
House of M/Decimation. I'd call it even.
Then the whole stupid Xorn thing.
Yeahhh... the 00s were bad for X-Men
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>>90520672
>wasn't Magneto always a fucking nazi in the first place?

He's a holocaust survivor. And Jewish. Basically the opposite of a Nazi

>but he's racist!

All Nazis are racist, but not all racists are Nazis. A Nazi is the one thing Maneto would never willingly become. They killed his fucking family.

Set all politics and social justice drama aside, and this is still a stupid idea just because of how incredibly out of character it is. It would be like having Batman suddenly announce he wants to be a criminal because he's so glad his parents are dead.
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>>90523934
Marvel has already done something about it. Magneto has been de-aged on more than one occasion via plot devices. He's over 80 years old but physically he has the body of a man in his early 50's.
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>>90523141
>Children's Crusade

Bleh.
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>>90524040
>All Nazis are racist
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>>90520672

Okay, so here's the genuinely insane thing about this tempest in a teapot.

There's literally nothing - anywhere - which I can find which indicates that Magneto is going to be joining Hydra or aligning with it. He's going to appear on this one cover of one of the issues of Secret Empire, and from the mere fact that he's on one cover people have first jumped to the conclusion that the only reason this could be the case is because he's a member of Hydra and second rushed to moral outrage over it. The other covers in this set include some characters like Crossbones and Sin who plainly are absolute nazis but also characters like Baron Zemo whose role in things seems to be aiding Captain America in his ambition to murder the Red Skull and end the taint of his bigotry and narcissism in Hydra's ranks.

We literally have no reason to believe that Magneto is even a part of any aspect of the organization. He could be a part of the event as an ally of Steve's in trying to kill the Red Skull because obviously there's nothing he loves more than killing Nazis, or he could just be a wildcard who's resisting Steve's Hydra uprising on principle alone.

We don't know!

But people are treating the worst and stupidest possible assumption as fact because they're cynical and they enjoy manufactured outrage and because they assume the first thing they read must automatically be true.
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>>90520773
oy vey, you're not allowed to say that!

Palestine is attacking Israel! stop talking bad about our greatest ally!
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>>90521676
>this is what Subhumans actually believe
fuck off back to Atilan, faggot. This is a mutant board.
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>>90523141
>I'm nothing like you.
>I'm winning.
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>>90520672
Magneto's authoritarian and genocidal nature was always supposed to be ironic. He was supposed to be a hypocrite. We also had Claremont move him away from being as aggressively anti human (Morrison snapped him back there, in a way that I thought did work for his story, but was an abrupt change. I assume Morrison just intended to have the characterization washed away by Magneto's inevitable resurrection, but then we had the miserable retconning instead). It's next level shit writing, Mags would never be hydra in a million years, he's pretty much the most retarded character to make hydra, with Jim Hammond right behind him (I also think the Cap thing is retarded, but a tier below)
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>>90525225
How is Magneto before Claremont ironic or a hypocrite?
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>>90525225
>Mags would never be hydra in a million years, he's pretty much the most retarded character to make hydra

Again, though, what reason do we have to believe he's joining Hydra? Where is this coming from?
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Remember that one time when Magneto got high and started burning New Yorkers.
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>>90525164
>Unironically calling this a mutant board.
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>>90525297
>Unironically enjoying the smell of your own terrigen farts
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>>90520672
It's just a variant.
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>>90525268
Variant cover.
People are idiots.
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>>90525297
Go fuck a cloud, Inhuman scum.
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>>90525316
At least I didn't die of a peanut allergy. Like a bitch.
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>>90525257
Shit like this
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>>90521620
Criminally underrared post
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>>90521620
>Steve's Hydra is not Nazi
>retconning Hydra shit to not be nazi specifically so faggots like you and the writers can be smug cunts that prop up terrible writing because it goes against a zeitgeist of people's opinions you claim aren't worth caring about
Transdimensional autism
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>>90525490
That's not ironic or hypocritical though. He wasn't Jewish until Claremont decided to give him a tragic backstory. He was just a mutant supremacist.
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Doesn't one of the panels of Steve Rodger's Hydra world show mutants in camps or some shit? Why would Magneto be gung-ho about that?
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>>90525624
I thought him being a holocaust survivor was built into Thomas' story of Wanda and Pietro being his kids?
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>>90520672
Is he actually joining Hydra though? I thought it was just one of many variant covers showing different characters as part of Hydra (like Carol Danvers or Jane Foster) even though they're actually not.
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>>90525297
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>>90525611

Read the fucking comic.

Kobik created a false timeline for Steve where he was indoctrinated into a version of Hydra which existed during his childhood and predated Nazi germany, and which operated without the antisemitism of Naziism.

The version of Hydra which Steve remembers and which he was raised with literally never existed outside of his lived experience. It's not a part of the real world at all. Helmut Zemo was a part of it in his memories but in real life he hadn't even been born yet at that time. It's all illusion and trickery.
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>>90524675
This. Baron Mordo and Kingpin are part of the villain covers too, and I highly doubt they've joined up with Hydra.
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>>90525279
Remember that one time it was revealed to be a guy pretending to be Magneto pretending to be Xorn?
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>>90525710
It is indeed a variant cover.
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>>90525766
I read a bit of Spencers Samcap and was unimpressed. It's an undeniably retarded shock storyline, alternate timeline, false memories, infinity gauntlet shenanigans or otherwise. Spencer specifically wrote it like that with a convoluted twist so he could keep Cap "pure" in the story when in reality it doesn't fucking matter because it's just gonna all wash out in the end anyways. It's a miserable story choice.
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>>90525663
I don't think so. The story where Xavier met Magnus and Gabrielle Haller in Israel was published before the Vision and Scarlet Witch limited series, at least.
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>>90525801

Well, that's a matter of taste, and obviously you're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts. I'm just telling you what is and is not actually a part of the story and complaining about things which aren't a part of it isn't a valid argument.
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>>90520672
>>90525710
>>90524675
>>90525392
For reference, a blurb says that the villains on these covers are "Hydra’s secret weapons in the war against the super heroes."
The other variants have
>Issue #1 – Madame Hydra
>Issue #2 – TOP SECRET
>Issue #3 – Arnim Zola
>Issue #4 – Baron Zemo
>Issue #5 – Magneto
>Issue #6 – Crossbones & Sin
>Issue #7 – Baron Mordo
>Issue #8 – Taskmaster & Black Ant
>Issue #9 – Kingpin
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>>90525297
>>90525164
>>90525297
>>90525758
fuck you newfags, this has always been an atomic tot board
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>>90525871
Magneto definitely doesn't fit amongst those other ones.
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>>90525871
>>Issue #2 – TOP SECRET
I wonder who this could be.
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>>90525872
Go back to your general thread pedofag.
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>>90520672
Has Nick Spencer or anyone else at Marvel said anything?
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>>90525918

Well, Steve Rogers has been courting Deadpool for some secret project, and the relevant issues of Deadpool are being touted as being part of the leadup to Secret Empire. I could easily see it being Wade.
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>>90520672
Isn't "becoming a nazi" the ultimate character assassination in comic books?
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>>90526141
No the ultimate character assassination is when they are written by bendis.
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>>90520672
>Why is it such a big deal that Magneto is a "nazi" because he works for Hydra?

Because the people making a big fuss don't read comics where Magneto always did fucked up stuff, and only care about getting re-blogs and clicks.
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>>90520672
>Why is it such a big deal that Magneto is a "nazi" because he works for Hydra? I understood the twist of Captain America working for Hydra, but wasn't Magneto always a fucking nazi in the first place? The only more nazi-like character in Marvel is Red Skull.

Because Magneto has never called for the genocide of the Jews. A nazi is not a nazi because of how they behave, its a specific ideology. Hydra aren't nazis either, they're authoritarian fascists.

Jesus, how is it people don't understand this?
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>>90520773
>>90525061

The Israeli Arab conflict has killed ~80k Arabs and ~20k Jews over the last 80 years. As a frame of reference the US killed ~1mil people in the Vietnam war and ~500k in the second Iraq war.

If anybody is the Nazi's it's us.
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>>90526376
>Hydra aren't nazis either
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>>90526467
The Red Skull is hardly a reliable source, especially since he had nothing to do with Hydra's creation. It's canon that Hydra predates the Nazis by at least several centuries.
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>>90526487
Meh. If it's run by a nazi and is full of nazis that's good enough for me.
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>>90520672
After watching Logan, I can't help but think Magneto was kind of justified in his thinking. Humans were never going to accept powerful mutants living among them.
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>>90526448
The us is indirectly responsible for that 500,000 mark. We stirred up a sectarian shitstorm that fucked over the country by ousting Saddam, but our military did not directly kill 500,000 people.
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>>90524663
The likes of Schindler were basically Nazis-in-name-only. They joined the party because in he Third Reich, you were either a member or a second-class citizen. That's how dictatorships work.
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>>90520672
>Why is it such a big deal that Magneto is a "nazi" because he works for Hydra?

Well, you see:

1- He isn't. Literally nothing confirms this. Hell, the variant cover people are bitching about doesn't even hint at this at any way.

2- Literally, the only people complaining about this bullshit are SJWs who have never read a comic in their lives.
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>>90521147
You've never actually read a comic with Magneto in it, have you?
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>>90524675
>He's going to appear on this one cover of one of the issues of Secret Empire

Additionally, this isn't even a standard cover for the issue. Its a goddamn variant cover. For all we know, its just a series of "Marvel Villains" variants or some shit.
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>>90523458
I never got this to be honest

>I can't become a killer

Then in Bunn's series he's out killing everybody under the sun.

I'm not saying Bunn's run is bad, but Mags' characterization just seems so flippant. I recall when I was reading stuff he used to be torn about the submarine deal Skull mentioned.
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>>90530574
>but Mags' characterization just seems so flippant

And that's different from the rest of Magneto's history how?
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>>90526448
You have a very shallow view of what a nazi even is senpai
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>>90530949
I guess I'd just wish at least that one point was more consistent.
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>>90530574
Seriously, you would think he's Batman or something.
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>>90525918

It's going to be SpOck
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>>90531758
>Spider-pose with obvious gauntlets
Its painfully obvious its SpOck.
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>>90531754
Not really.
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>>90520942
Early Stan Lee X-Men. I want to say it was the first appearance of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, or one of their earliest appearances. If I recall correctly, Magneto takes over a small South American nation by having Mastermind create a mass illusion of an invading army.
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>>90523458
Oh shit, I was looking for this page the other day. Thanks a lot.
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>>90521620
>Steve's Hydra is not nazi. Although it is still a fascist Hydra. People nowadays throw NAZI and HITLER to everything from Obama to Trump to donuts.

Steve's Hydra 'future vision' in "The Oath" was literally about persecuting aliens and mutants, putting them into concentration camps.

Steve's more Nazi than Red Skull now, at least as far as the Mutants are concerned.
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>>90524675
>murder the Red Skull and end the taint of his bigotry and narcissism in Hydra's ranks.
>We literally have no reason to believe that Magneto is even a part of any aspect of the organization. He could be a part of the event as an ally of Steve's in trying to kill the Red Skull because obviously there's nothing he loves more than killing Nazis

Steve still dreamed of concentrating Mutants in the camps and little blonde Hydra youth kids harassing some goat-legged Mutant/Inhuman/Alien kid.
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>>90533075
People is going to start to complain the momment Steve starts to chase inhumans instead of mutants.
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>>90525758
God this is such a glorious day. I love it!!!!
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>>90532847
>Steve's Hydra 'future vision' in "The Oath" was literally about persecuting aliens and mutants, putting them into concentration camps.
What's wrong with that?
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>>90533678
Fuck off Ike
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>>90533745
He's putting inhumans in those concentration camps too, memester.
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>>90525997
He's had plenty of jokes on his Twitter about how ridiculous this controversy is, as well as pointing out in detail why HYDRA doesn't = Nazis.

I think the idea that freaker-outers are entitled to the special privilege to have their freakouts taken seriously kind of died with the freakout over Hydracap. They overplayed their hand and now nobody takes them seriously except clickbait sites, because they're literally arguing that it doesn't matter if offended people are right or wrong.
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>>90535816
>because they're literally arguing that it doesn't matter if offended people are right or wrong

Wut?
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>>90536438
Basically the argument during the Hydra-Cap freakout was: it doesn't matter that Hydra isn't actually the Nazis and Cap isn't really being turned into a Nazi, all that matters is some hypothetical person might feel offended at it.

This is why you hear stuff like this described as "tone deaf" or criticized for bad "optics." It means "I know what this means, but think how it must look to someone who doesn't know what's going on."
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>>90533075
>Goat kid
Could they have been chasing down Gorgon's kid since All-New Inhumans had Gorgon and his kid healed by the sociopath fishsnake Inhuman? Now that would be something I could get behind, especially after IvX had the full heel turn of the Inhumans just to save face.
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>>90520672

On the other hand, does anyone in the entire Marvel universe hate the Red Skull more than Magneto? Why the fuck would he be in the Red Skull's organization?
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>>90532847
Yeah it's not like this same Red Skull literally made a concentration camp out of Genosha...
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>>90520784
>Magneto is already long established as being a genocidal racial supremacist
>But he can't work with an organisation formerly run by Nazis because he's a Jew
I honestly don't know what goes though some people's heads. Does this mean Jews can't work for ThyssenKrupp or Volkswagen either?
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>>90538514
>Why the fuck would he be in the Red Skull's organization?
HYDRA isn't Red Skull's organization. Red Skull made his own "HYDRA" after Pleasant Hill, but it's not the "true" Hydra. That's why Zemo and Steve are plotting to kill Red Skull and restore Hydra to their former glory.
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>>90541144
Eh. Red skull has been with hydra for a long time. Besides Baron Strucker is a nazi and is one of it's leaders. Steve has memories of a hydra that never existed. Basically he's mind washed.
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Can you imagine if Grant Morrison's explicitly Hitler-esque Magneto came out today?

Back then, in the ancient early '00s, X-fans complained that Morrison had ignored all Claremont's character development to get Magneto back to his Silver Age version. And that is a fair complaint.

But today we'd get endless thinkpieces saying that Grant Morrison is committing violence with his bad writing.
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>>90520672
This is almost as sad as the people crying last year when Steve went Hydra.

Anyone who read comics for five minutes realized that was the most blatantly comic book-y plot possible.
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>>90541772
I think Morrison'd toe the line too much for that to happen, but if he did write it, yeah, I sure could see these coming.

Reviews were BALKING at the sheer audacity of Apocalypse trying to recruit Mags using Auschwitz in the movie. I mean, what the hell are the scriptwriters thinking, that the blue guy with fish lips is a genocidal despot who doesn't care about anything other than getting his way?
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