Isn't Red Skull supposed to be a villain? What part of

>>90500556
Hi /pol/!

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Preferably the part were he gets his followers to bomb people

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>>90500600
That's an edit.

>>90500556
Bad guy wants people to do thing
Says thing they like will happen if they do his thing
People like sound of that
People do thing but don't actually get thing
Bad guy be smug til hero punch hard

Fuck you.

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>>90500635
Doesn't change the original context though

>>90500600
>>90500635
>>90500653
Isn't that kind of a complete copout?
They could have just as easily made that page Red Skull kicking a puppy, and going "See? He's wrong about all the entirely reasonable things he just said because he's a PUPPY KICKER!"

>>90500689
It also doesn't change the fact that you're trying to stir up shit for your own amusement.

>>90500556
Oh, look, this thread again.
Time to post the same few images and rehash the same basic talking points that were brought up the last trillion times we discussed this.

>>90500556
>it's a "I have no idea how fascists recruit" episode
Protip: You need to have ideology that at least sounds vaguely sensible and appealing before you can start indocrinating people as terrorists.

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>>90500694
What he's saying isn't wrong depending on your politics but red skull genuinly doesn't care,his goal is world domination,him lying to gain soldiers and supporters isn't exactly a copout,he's a maniacal mad man dreaming of world domination,Lying for support isn't exactly out of character for him,fuck the guy tried to make the whole world destroy itself for power,him actually caring about his homeland would be bullshit

>>90500733
Facism is now a buzzword that has little to no meaning. Congrats.

>>90500694
Red Skull's endgame is always something bad so I don't see your point, he's a manipulative asshole, no matter how reasonable he sounds he's gonna fuck you over.

>>90500733
Fascists and terrorists are not the same thing.

As for recruiting terrorists, look at Islam. Shit doesn't make the slightest bit of sense, yet there's at least millions of Islamic terrorists around these days.

>>90500750
But what he said is correct, regardless what he may or may not believe.

>>90500556
>Cletus Reads a Comic: the Thread

>>90500766
No, Islamic terrorists do it too. First they get impressionable young Muslims with "oh well the world hates us so we need to be able to defend ourselves", and then spiral from there into blowing up civilians.
>>90500766
Okay, but we're talking about fascist terrorists like the Red Skull here, who specifically use nationalistic, conservative ideology.

>>90500801
Okay? It's not a cop out, it's just Red Skull being Red Skull

>>90500801
What he's saying isn't wrong, but Red Skull is wrong. He's manipulating people and lying about his true goals.

>>90500766
>Fascists and terrorists are not the same thing.
Are you sure about that?

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>>90500801
OP is saying red skull is a good guy for his speech,when it's very clear he is not a good guy,he's a manipulative asshole getting an army,fuck he could be givin out candy but if he's doing it to gain cannon fodder,he's still a fucking bad guy

>>90500818
>oh well the world hates us so we need to be able to defend ourselves

That's not the recruitment. The recruitment is "You'll go to heaven and have everlasting life if you do. God hates these people and you don't want to be an enemy of God."

>>90500766
>Shit doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
But Christianity does?

>>90500556
You're not supposed to disagree. You just need to realize that there are people who will pretend to have the same concerns as you just so they can use for their purpose and they don't give a fuck about whatever happens to you after they achieve their goals. At least that's what I like to think this page means.

But it's Spencer, so who knows if I'm right or if he's just using the Skull as a strawman. It's not like I really care.

>>90500832
Define fascist then define terrorist then explain to me the overlap.

>>90500818
>First they get impressionable young Muslims with "oh well the world hates us so we need to be able to defend ourselves", and then spiral from there into blowing up civilians.

Well, no, actually, the vast majority of Islamic terrorism is directed towards other Islamists, in countries that are already under Islamic rule.

>>90500820
But it is a complete cop out. I'm talking about his actual points, not ad-hominem attacks against the person making them.

If I said "the earth is round", then convinced a bunch of people to blow themselves up, it wouldn't change anything about the earth being round.

>>90500733
Foo, you don't even need that if you have and audience of rubes who are stupid, self-absorbed and mean enough. Some people just want to do shit by other people for it's own sake.

>>90500864
But Islam does?

>>90500556
the bit where red skull uses vague rhetoric which appeals to emotion rather than present solutions to manipulate desperate and scared people into throwing their lives away for a man who ultimately only cares about obtaining more power for himself

the difference between red skull and hydra cap is red skull would never willingly sacrifice his life for the sake of his vision of utopia. cap would.

>>90500860
>That's not the recruitment.
Yeah it is anon, ISIS main recruitment tool is the idea that this is a holy war between Islam and "Rome" aka western civilization and they use islamphobia to illustrate that.

>>90500879
It's not attacking the argument itself, it's pretty much saying "people will pretend to care about what you care about to get something out of you", so no, it's not a cop out

>>90500864
Are there hundreds of terrorist Christian groups, amounting to a few million terrorists, on every continent on the planet waging holy war against every other religion on the planet, including their own, to establish a Christian Caliphate?

>>90500591
Hello friend. are you enjoying my wrongthink?

>>90500928
yeah there is actually

I think it is a bit manipulative on the writer's part. The entire point is supposed to be that Red Skull is a treacherous monster who uses rhetoric he doesn't believe (regardless of the validity of what he's actually saying) to rope people into his schemes for world domination which have no connection to the lies he initially told to get them to help.

Which is fine, but I can only help but wonder if the way it's presented is a shitty illogical way to try and invalidate the points he makes by proxy. e.g.:
>Red Skull talks about political thing
>Red Skull recruits people based on whatever political issue he's raving about this time
>Red Skull uses the people he recruits for straight up evil shit with no bearing on the reason they initially joined him
>but it's presented in such as way that we're supposed to think this invalidates the (unrelated) political point Red Skull was making at the beginning

>>90500907
>ISIS main recruitment tool
What about the other couple hundred Islamic terrorist groups that currently exist, and have existed far longer than the ISIS meme?

>>90500878
>Facism is a extrme right wing authoritarian
>Terrorism is using threats of terror for political leverage
>Fascists often use terrorism
>Islamic terrorists are extreme right wing authoritarians.

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>>90500879
You still don't get it,Red skull could be speaking about the values of liberalism and evils of trump or any topic,his intention and goals are what make him the bad guy,what he says to manipulate people is besides the point,asking "why people consider red skull a villian" after he manipulates a bunch of people to ki themselves is a dumb statement

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>>90500556
obligatory

>>90500951
Name them.

>>90500694

But he isn't be reasonable. He is painting a bunch of people who just don't want to live in a wartorn shithole anymore, where if they stay they are likely to get murdered by rampaging fanatics, as an invading army by associating them with the very rampaging fanatics they are fleeing from.

It claims that granting asylum to the weak is someone itself a weakness, and places such nebulous ghosts as 'heritage' and 'culture' as not just being under thread, but more important than hundreds of thousands of human lives.

It claims that America is under attack and falling apart, when America is still the world's leading superpower.

It creates a sense of fear out of smoke and mirrors, playing on hatred and promising protection (from an imaginary threat) and revenge (against an 'enemy' that likely doesn't even know you exist) to create a group hanging on your every word and willing to do whatever you say.

This is basic fearmongering tactics. This is how fascist movements and cult leaders rise to power. Always has been, always will be.

Don't feel too ashamed if you fell for it. Human history is full of people like you. Its really easy to get gaslight by fear, thats why people who want power over you keep doing it.

He's not going to stop at more restrictive immigration policies, he's not going to stop at building a border wall, he's not even going to stop at more extreme measures like mass deportations of refugees, he's going to take a seemingly agreeable position and push all the way to the extreme for his own ends just like Hitler before him.

>>90500979
And yet, all I have to do is point to Britain and France to justify denying refugees entry

>>90500960
They used the exact same ration.
>look at these american devils who role in our holy lands bombing our children and burning our homes
>they're basically crusaders
>jihad on them

>>90500860

First off, the whole "blow yourself up to get into heaven" is the Islam bullshit meme equivalent of Christian angels sitting on clouds playing harps. It's just frilly fluff that gets more circulation in the west than actual Islamic communities, possibly because it makes it so easy to dismiss their creed as dangerous fantasy, but that's neither here nor there.

Second, no, that is not their recruitment technique. They rely on people going "Holy shit our lives suck", and they latch onto that mentality by saying "well if you kill these people, your lives will suck a bit less and you'll have control of your life again." It's all about the power play. West=oppressive force, Fanatic Islam=your only salvation. The fact that Trump and Co are playing directly into their narrative must have them giddy like schoolgirls.

>>90500975
The christian right. They believe Aemrica is a Christian nation and they have firebomb planned parenthood and killed doctors.

Pretty standard villain manipulation. Take a popular position that people can reasonably agree with, and then use it to justify more extreme, evil deeds.

>>90500994
Or Germany.
Or Sweden.
Or pretty much anywhere that accepted Islamic immigrants who claimed to be fleeing from Islamists, while still parroting Islamic values and demanding Islamic law.

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>>90500994
>all I have to do is point to Britain and France
lol wat

I love that you people live in an alternate reality where Britain and France are burning when the US handily beats them in crime and violent crime per-capita.

You're the same kind of moron who believes there's a rape epidemic in Sweden.

>>90500893
Seeing how Islam and Christianity is basically the same religion I would have to say yes.

>>90501005
But they don't commit jihad "on us".
The vast majority of the time it's on themselves.

>>90500694
its not a copout when its the exact techniques used by cooked politicians across the entire spectrum for hundreds of years.

>>90501065
That's because of ancient tribal disputes, not cause of Islam.

>>90500694
>reasonable things
see >>90500973

His speech is complete bullshit

>>90501049
>demanding Islamic law.
What is Islamic law anon? And how is it different from Christian laws that apparently say that Homosexuals and abortion doctos should be killed?

>>90501057
It's not a big problem yet because islamists are still a small portion of the population. If the percentage goes from 5-10% to 20-30% it will be the disaster people talk about now.

>>90501109
They get enforced.

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>>90501112
>we're spreading bullshit because if things get worse the bullshit might end up true
Fuck off, that's called lying.

There are approximately 4-5 million refugees in total. The population of France is 66 million. Even if every single refugee went to France and lived in the shitty tent cities they set up for them that would still barely be 6 percent of the population.

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>>90501032
Reality doesn't agree with your baseless statements.

>>90501189
>The Mirror
>literally talbloid tier

>>90501174
And has already caused massive problems in every country that has chosen to inflict themselves with that many Islamists.

>>90501208
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/children-islamic-state-last-letters-mosul-schoolboys-who-became-isis-martyrs-1609013

Now what?

>>90501233
>now what?
Now I point out how one letter doesn't trump actual government intelligence that tells us that islamic terrorism isn't motivated by the idea of eternal reward but instead from national politics.

>>90500879
>Well, no, actually, the vast majority of Islamic terrorism is directed towards other Islamists, in countries that are already under Islamic rule.
Oh, sorry, I assumed we were talking about the sort of Islamic terrorism that /pol/ actually cares about.

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>>90501210
But no, you even just admitted that it hasn't when faced with the smallest shred of evidence.

Taking in refugees certainly isn't a beneficial act for the countries doing and and no one will claim as such. It's a humanitarian action. To turn around and pretend that refugees are forming police-sanctioned rape gangs and destroying western civilization with sharia when most are round up and stuck in shitty burning refugee camps is unconscionable.

You're either an idiot or a monster, but never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

>>90500975
Army of God
Anti-balara
Tripura
Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland
the Maronite Militia
the Lord's Resistance Army
Lambs of Christ
the 'Concerned Christians' of Israel
The Covenant
The Sword
The Arm of the Lord
Defensive Action
the Montana Freemen
to rattle off a few

>>90501233
>>90501189
wait, are you really arguing that islamic terrorism isn't about them getting perpetually bombed into paste by both foreigners and countrymen?

are you retarded?

>>90501065
because their leaders are just using their anger to try and secure power for themselves

>>90500556
They're not supposed to disagree with this particular part. This part is showing how he's able to actually recruit normal people.

>>90500694
There is no part in the comic that says what he's saying on the first page is wrong.

>>90501210
Maybe the USA should have stayed the fuck out of the middle east

>>90501274
>It's a humanitarian action.
No, it's really not.

Compare refugees fleeing Communist Russia to Islamists fleeing Islamists.

Refugees from Communist areas were not Communists, who believed in Communism, and preached about how great Communism is.

Unlike Islamists fleeing Islamists, yet still practicing Islam and wanting their host country to be as much of an ass-backwards hellhole as the Islamic shithole they claimed to be "fleeing" from, only to commit massive amounts of sexual assault, particularly against native children of their host country.

There isn't anything "humanitarian" about it. It's senselessly endangering the actual citizens of a country in favor of people who literally hate them.

>>90501293
Trump?

>>90500973
You actually saved this shitty reply?
>The heritage and culture of America is that of a melting pot welcoming the poor and disenfranchised of the world, nothing disrespects our heritage more than closing our borders
Why is the thought of "Closing our borders to ILLEGAL immigrants" somehow complicated? You know who hates illegal mexicans just as much as stormfront racists? Mexicans who got in LEGALLY and are not leeching off American welfare. Think for a second why that is.
>After saying the government must protect its land and people with as much force as necessary, he then says the government should have no authority over publicly-owned land. Which is it Skull?
It bothers me how the Red fucking Skull knows more about the U.S. than the braindead moron who wrote this post. Government protects your land and they CAN take it from you but not without good reason (2nd amendment acts as a failsafe if they try to anyway, because if the government is taking your land just because, your heading towards fascism). They don't have to be mutually exclusive

>>90501174
and what about all the people who CLAIM to be refugees but are, in fact, migrants?

>>90501304
>They're not supposed to disagree with this particular part
kill yourself

also read >>90500973


If you actually find yourself agreeing with Red Skull's speech you're a moron who needs to take a class on anti-propaganda techniques before you wind up drinking poison kool-aid in a nightgown

>>90500556
He is right. He is just using the truth as something to push his own agende, something many sociopaths do.

>>90501357
>No, it's really not.
Yeah it is. They're takng in families with no homes who are fleeing their war-torn country.

>>90501289
Pretty sure Buddhists weren't bombing Muslims to paste, and that didn't stop their native Muslim population from carrying out consistent terrorist attacks and sexual violence against the majority Buddhist population.

>>90501375
Dude that reply you keep linking is super shitty, and just ignores half of the decent arguments by lumping them under "tired rhetoric". It's garbage

>>90501372
all 3 of them?

>>90501371
Illegal immigrants actually pay more taxes in a year than our current president.

>>90501330
I agree.

It was so much better when the Taliban had entire countries under their rule, and banned women from leaving their own homes without a male family escort.

If they had already murdered every male in the family, then that was just tough luck for them.

Of course, it's just going to devolve back to this natural Islamic state as soon as we leave, so I agree. It was a waste of time.

>>90501423
What an interesting but of meaningless trivia

>People are actually defending rapefugees.

/co/mblr in full force I see.

>>90501274

>Taking in refugees certainly isn't a beneficial act for the countries doing and and no one will claim as such. It's a humanitarian action.
>putting your nation in danger so you can virtue signal

Simple cost/benefit analysis. The "cost" of accepting refugee is high- increased crime, increased terrorism, sectarian violence, strain on the welfare system, balkanization, etc. The "benefit" is... you getting to feel good about yourself for a moment.

Employing logic hardly makes one a "monster", you hyper-emotional child.

>>90500994
Well, historically. Muslims are never good immigrants.

>>90501371
>2nd amendment acts as a failsafe.
HAHAHAHA oh god.

>>90501390
>fleeing their Islam-torn country.
Fixed.

Also, 90% of them are military age men with no family. When the cameras zoom all the way in on one woman holding a child, notice how absolutely every other single person in the background is a grown-ass man.

>>90501371
>leeching off American welfare
Illegal immigrants don't have access to welfare, while they still pay into the system through sales and payroll taxes.

>>90501390

Why aren't they fleeing to Lebanon, Jordan, Turkey, Israel, or any other stable(r) nearby nation? Why are these "desperate" people traveling thousands of miles by land and sea to European nations they are not culturally compatible with?

>>90501423
>Illegal immigrants actually pay more taxes
>illegals paying taxes
>illegals who want to keep their undocumented status to evade deportation paying taxes
No.

>>90501445
Just saying, they're not leeches if they pay their fair share.

>>90501453
What if I'm a rapefugee and just want some underage kaffir pussy?

>>90501469
>Also, 90% of them are military age men with no family

> no proof whatsoever

>>90501463
That's not true. Until 9/11 they were considered as good to bring in as East Asians, and that's still true. You just want the cosmopolitan ones who assimilate well

>>90501109

>Christian law says to kill

This version of /co/ continues to be the dumbest and worst board. Sage.

>>90501371
Cause closing off your borders doesn't stop illegal immigration, it only increases it.

>>90501372
What about them? Go ahead and make whatever retarded claim you're going to make, I can't disprove a claim you haven't made.

>>90501371
>muh illegals
First of all, preventing illegal immigration is logistically impossible. Second, the vast majority of illegal immigrants did NOT jump the border, they came in on visas and overstayed. Third, if you're illegal you can't apply for welfare despite the fact that you do pay into the system through payroll taxes.

>government ownership of land
He's literally backing the people who took over a wildlife refuge claiming the government had no right to the land and demanding they give it to them. What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>90501466
What? No argument? You don't know why that's literally the SECOND amendment right after free speech? You don't know why the most oppressive regimes involved a disarmed population?

>>90501490
They literally do. $13 billion in payroll taxes and far more in sales tax.

>>90501495
Then fuck off to one of the 90 "Not currently in a war" countries surrounding yours.

>>90501517
>Making murder illegal only increases crime! That's bad!

>>90501482
I'm fairly certain most studies find illegal migrants to be a net burden to the social safety net

>>90501490
Yes, they have to make money somehow and the last thing they need is the Taxman snooping around so they just pay their fucking taxes.

>>90501405
>"your culture is under siege!" isn't tired rhetoric
Please, the right has been pushing this bullshit culture war nonsense for 20 fucking years now. There's no war on christmas. There's no counter-argument because there's no argument to counter, it's just baseless assertions.

>>90501489
because those countries denied them refuge you putz

>>90501361

Like >>90500979 said, fearmongering tactics don't really change. All you do is swap out the names to fit your target demographic. Its an effective tactic.

>>90501546
There are at least five distinct arguments in the speech that are ignored

>>90501525
The second amendment isn't going to protect you from the government.

>>90500979
>He is painting a bunch of people who just don't want to live in a wartorn shithole anymore
refugees wouldn't demand going to Germany/Sweden, they'd be fine with living in a safe country, also, unproportional number of males aged 20-40, including "child" refugees

>>90501482
>can't get employment without fraud and impersonation
>can't send children to school without falsifying documents
>can't violate housing codes every single second
Their welfare comes in the form of benefiting from the system. They cannot (and will not, if they're not stupid) pay that system anything because it exposes their status as illegal immigrants just by providing documentation

>>90501541
You might want to recheck your math there, professor dipshit.

"The U.S. Social Security Administration estimated that in 2013 undocumented immigrants—and their employers—paid $13 billion in payroll taxes alone for benefits they will never get. They can receive schooling and emergency medical care, but not welfare or food stamps."

>>90501535
You left out the part where they cost taxpayers $113 billion in welfare.

http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

>>90501571
Well that's not true at all. Admittedly, it takes more than one guy with a bunch of guns, but the second amendment is necessary for the people to be capable of effective resistance in the event of real tyranny

>>90501594
> not living with someone thats legal


youre pretty retarded

>>90501546
Malmö is doing super great these days

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>>90501594
>immigrants can somehow avoid paying payroll, sales, property taxes
This site is for 18+ only.

>>90501602
>BTFO ten seconds later

That's gotta hurt

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>>90501603
>study by FAIR

>>90501517
>Cause closing off your borders doesn't stop illegal immigration, it only increases it.
And how do you address that issue? Enforce the law? Or make it easier, which may magically decrease immigration?

>>90501617
Is the concept of being paid in cash really that foreign to you?

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>>90501603
>we also include the children of immigrants born in the united states
gee I wonder how they inflated those numbers

>>90501617
>>90501535
>illegal immigrants paying taxes without an SSN number or a Tax ID number
Fucking lol

>>90500556
The part where different=evil, the blatant fear mongering, and the call to arms to attack people who haven't attacked you but probably maybe might. the ultimate blue pill.

>>90501653
>implying automatic citizenship isn't a horrible reading of the law

>>90501631
Well yeah, when you're blown out that badly, I wouldn't expect you to have any counterpoint other than fronting.

>>90501638
Do you not understand what sales and property taxes are?

You're also still assuming all illegals are border-hopping mexicans who do yard work when the reality is most illegals are skilled laborers who outstayed their visas. You don't pay a software engineer under the table.

>>90501571
>The second amendment isn't going to protect you from the government.
That's literally what it's for.

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>>90501678
>you need an SSN to pay sales tax
oops, you're retarded
>visa holders don't get an ITIN
oops, you're double retarded
>all illegals must be mexicans picking fruit
oops, you're racist

>>90501460

There is actually a larger benefit here: accepting refugees prevents ISIS from surviving past the next couple years.

We know it. ISIS knows it. Thats why ISIS tries so hard to both dissuade people in the regions it controlled from leaving with threats of retaliatory violence, and used the threat of sleeper agents and terror attacks to try and scare European countries into not accepting them.

ISIS wants to be an Islamic State. As in, a nation. That can't happen if everyone fucking leaves. Especially since a large portion of the people fleeing them are educated people like doctors, whose knowledge and skills are both valuable and not easily replaced. They might all seem like poor as shit unwashed masses to us by the time they reach our shores, but they still needed a fair amount of money to get that far.

By accepting refugees we deny them human shields, warm bodies to recruit and any hope of a long term victory for their movement. It has a verifiable strategic advantage to go along with that good PR and warm fuzzy feeling.

>>90501371
>>90501499
Cum has replaced your sweat. I want to fucking rape you, you probably have soft lily college boi skin.

>>90501109
>Christian laws
Christian societies have developed enough to separate the Church from the State. Muslim societies have their laws dictated by their religious beliefs

>>90501687
>skilled laborers deciding to commit crime every single day instead of going through the legal process of being a US citizen
Not really skilled there, m8

>>90501687
You got numbers to back up this nonsense? Not about overstaying their visa,I know that's true, but that they're highly skilled.

Also renters don't really pay property tax. Sales is the only real contribution they make to the government

>>90501709
the greatest recruitment pools for ISIS is in the netherlands and france.

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>>90501460
Yes, turning a blind eye to human suffering over problems you admit to be manufactured is monstrous.

Your position is monstrous.

>>90501710
> believe my lies because

>>90501706
Yes, but with modern military hardware it can never remotely do that. You can fight for your guns all you want but if Uncle Sam wants to fuck you in the ass you're not gonna be able to stop him.

>>90501752
I thought tribalism was the hip new thing. I just value people of my country and their safety over that of some other country

>>90501735
Do you have any clue how long it takes to become a citizen? Do you realize that when you start the process you get kicked out? There is zero incentive for an intelligent person to apply for citizenship if they're already here and have a good job and ICE and the IRS don't care because they're contributing to the tax base.

>>90501739
>any evidence to back up that people who came here on work visas are skilled workers?
They came here on work visas you fucking moron

>>90501739
>they don't pay property tax
They pay rent which pays the property tax. This is really fucking simple stuff.

>>90501735
They do just that, specifically because legal immigration is that much more difficult than just overstaying their Visas.

>>90501767
Which is why we completely wiped out ISIS and the Taliban in, like, two weeks flat, right?

>>90501460
>all your points are manufactured fears all of which are avoided through simple vetting
>literally saying we should turn away helpless people because they are my boogeyman
>calling others hyper emotional children

>>90501789
The property tax would be paid whether they rented or not

>>90501707
>Sales tax justifies welfare that illegal immigrants receive
Retard
>Overstayed visa holders comprise most of illegal immigrants
Retard
>all illegals must be mexicans picking fruit
Didn't say that. Also that post wasn't just meant for you. Retard

>>90501798
Because we're trying to avoid just killing literally everyone in the area.

>>90501276
Stupid Christfags and kikes can't face the truth that they're as retarded as mudslimes.

>>90501789
>There is zero incentive for an intelligent person to apply for citizenship if they're already here and have a good job and ICE and the IRS don't care because they're contributing to the tax base.
Why the fuck not. We have lots of legal immigrants. Maybe they were too smart to NOT BREAK THE LAW in the first place

>>90501633
I worked at a pizza joint run by Lebanese and Egyptian owners in 2005. They told me when Clinton was president they would stay in America for a year or two, make money on their business, change hands with a family member, then go back to Lebanon to live like kings. They had no aspirations to stay in America. But with Bush, immigration and work visas became a problem so it was more beneficial to stay in the country and ship money back home because they couldn't guarantee if they could come back.

An effective immigration plan is a revolving door. Immigrants come to your country legally, work, pay taxes on their income, then go home to live with their families. When border policies are tough you have people who overstay their visas, settle down and start families. They're not legal, so they have no documentation which in turn means companies (who need the labor) will hire them under the table but at a rate far less than is federally mandated. In turn these companies will seek out aliens because the responsibility falls on the immigrant, not the companies abusing the system who at worse get a slap on the wrist.

The system works in isolated developed countries like Singapore and Japan. What is Japan's JET program but a system to temporarily employ foreign English teachers? And Microsoft is starting to ship talent to India where you have a billion people in an infrastructure that's rapidly digitizing. But America and Europe are getting an influx of work because they're next to developing countries and instead of building their infrastructure around getting these people out satisfied the corporations are profiting from it, the citizens are freaking out from the lack of jobs, and politicians are like "This is an election issue that will get me votes" while they get kickbacks from the corporations that continue to hire illegals.

>>90501843
Because legal immigration is an extremely long and difficult process, while it's far easier to just slip in illegally. Cheating the system IS the "smart" solution.

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>>90501813
>sales tax justifies welfare that illegal immigrants receive
Once again since you're pretty retarded: illegal immigrants do not qualify for welfare
>overstayed visa holders don't comprise most illegals
we've known about this since fucking 2006, catch up

>>90501887
That argument assumes illegal is inherently wrong.

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>>90501887
>white kid who has never taken a civics course talks about immigration

>>90501887
"sweeping generalizations are facts"
I don't get how /pol/ calls themselves red pills when all their ideologies require them to deny reality and stay in wonder land.

>>90501973
It's basic cult psychology, anon.

>>90501706
Yeah, and it worked so well for that little secession group a few years back.
what were they called?
oh yeah, the Confederate States

>>90501867
It shouldn't be long and difficult and wasn't until about 15 years ago which directly lead to a marked increase in illegals.

>>90501939
>That argument assumes illegal is inherently wrong.
It looks like the argument is that assuming people won't make good citizens if they willingly break the law to stay in the country, which is reasonable

>>90501939

/pol/ is mostly children or adults that never broke any rules apparently.

>>90501491

>taxes paid by illegal aliens: 11 billion
>tax money spend on illegal aliens: 113 billion

This doesn't even take into account the money spent on anchor babies, the increase in crime illegals bring, the ruination of the neighborhoods they invade, etc

Illegals are leeches.

>>90501958
>>90501973
>>90502000
>>90502028
>literally no arguments
Hilarious

>>90502011
that's not reasonable at all. it's a catch 22.

>>90501887
I wonder how Japan feels about how the literal worst people in America use anime avatars?

>>90502039
The argument is that illegal doesn't mean immoral.

>>90501709
Is this a joke?

Third generation Muslims are leaving Europe in droves to join ISIS.

People are also joining ISIS from surrounding Muslim countries, and setting up their own branches of ISIS in other countries.

Flooding Europe with mudslimes is a quick way to destroy Europe without actually doing anything against ISIS.

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>>90502039
>needing to arguing against "lawbreakers are bad because they break the law"

>>90501973

Easy: if you call the other side delusional first, you get to claim the moral high ground when they throw it back in your face. It immediately puts the other side on the defensive, because you have already declared that only you can have right opinions.

After all, I don't have to listen to you. You don't know what you are talking about like *I* do. *I've* been *Redpilled*.

>>90502039
>have a flawed viewpoint
>people point out how it's inherently flawed and thus can't be properly argued against
>HA HA BUT YOU DIDN'T ARGUE IT SO I WIN
First time I've seen this outside of tumblr. guess /pol/blr had more truth than I thought.

>>90502061
and you just want me to believe you because you're on of the good guys?

>>90501709
>Especially since a large portion of the people fleeing them are educated people like doctors, whose knowledge and skills are both valuable and not easily replaced.
And we all know this is bullshit. There is no way even the most brainwashed commie liberal could possibly believe this.

>>90502046
>catch 22
>implying just existing gives you the right to live in the U.S. while disrespecting their laws

>>90502031
>tax money spent on trying to keep illegals out: 113 billion
Ftfy

>>90502065
>needing to arguing against "lawbreakers are bad because they break the law"
Well you do if your argument is "lawbreakers aren't bad". Also, the argument is "why give lawbreakers a chance if they knew what they were getting into?"

>>90502031
Uh... how can you look at this number at not see the wrong thing is spending $100 billion on getting rid of illegals?

It's like

>tax dollars spent on drug war $35 billion a year
>value of marijuana industry that Sessions wants to destroy: $10 billion a year

>>90502031
Great sources m8, also
>Illegals commit more crime.
Objectively false. Illegals know better than to break the law while breaking the law.

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>>90502061
Yeah, if we let those damned barbaric Irish into our country they're just going to rape our women and steal our land and put their horrible religious rules in place!

Oh, wait, shit, were we talking about someone else?

>>90502087
>people point out how it's inherently flawed and thus can't be properly argued against
Where was the argument for this? Delusional

>>90501276
Where did you get these from, the SPLC?

I looked some of them up:
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/army-god-6-modern-day-christian-terrorist-groups-you-never-hear-about

"Hey, do you remember that one time one member from this group killed one person 30 years ago?" is not comparable with the daily atrocities committed by modern Islamic terrorist cells.

>>90502061
A generation of people born into a country that says it doesn't want anything to do with them join a group that says "Let's make Islam great again"? Jeeze, I wonder why.

>>90502156
read the thread. sounds like you're delusional to me "red"pill

>>90502087
>have a flawed viewpoint
>"nah, not wanting illegals because they don't follow our laws is flawed"
>I win
Fucking lol

>>90502146

Being Irish is not an ideology, and the Irish were not Islamists.

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>>90500556

>>90502184
>hurr it's flawed because /pol/ is dumb lol
>Therefore I won't argue
Nice try bro

>>90502166
Against other Muslims. ISIS poses little threat worldwide.

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>>90501709
>a large portion of the people fleeing them are educated people like doctors

>>90502223
>>90502196
>still not reading the thread
this is sad

>>90502172
Every other religion is treated far worse in Islamic countries than Islam is treated in any non-Islamic country.

Yet none of these other religions are carrying out daily terrorist attacks in these Islamic countries, except for, you guessed it, Islamists.

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>>90502209
>Being Irish is not an ideology, and the Irish were not Islamists.
Worse: they were catholics!

>>90502240
>It's somewhere there! Honest!
>still can't argue against one 4chan screenshot
Yeah, it is sad

>>90502242
USA bombs them all the time anon.

>>90501752

There are over 3 billion people in the world currently suffering in poverty. Taking a few thousand in does absolutely fuck all to alleviate the suffering in the world, the only thing it does is feed your ego. Thankfully, most people aren't as hyper-emotional and narcissistic as you.

>>90501709

Islamist terrorist groups will always exist in the ME. The region has been a war-torn shithole for over a thousand years. There's also the fact that the muslims the West graciously takes in become more radical with each generation, hence why 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation muslims in Europe are more likely to support Islamism and go to the ME in droves to join ISIS.

>>90501799

>simple vetting

How do you propose we vet people from failed states? These are third world countries with poor documentation and easily-bribed government officials. It's hardly a "manufactured fear", refugees/migrants actually ARE raping and murdering Westerners in the countries that graciously took them in. They actually ARE far more likely to commit rape, child rape, murder, and terrorist attacks. They actually DO hold beliefs incompatible with Western ideals.

>helpless people

Ah, the classic liberal infantilization of non-Westerners. Why can't fellow Middle Easterners take care of them? Why can't the rich Gulf States take them in? Why can't Western nations set up safe zones for them in the ME? Why do you think the *only way* they can survive is under white Western guidance?

>>90502266
>Still not reading the thread
for shame my friend. Are you really that afraid of being wrong?

>>90502270
>them
You realize that there are Muslim countries outside the Middle East, right?

We don't bomb them, and they're still terrorist-ridden Islam hellholes.

>>90502279
>There are over 3 billion people in the world currently suffering in poverty. Taking a few thousand in does absolutely fuck all to alleviate the suffering in the world, the only thing it does is feed your ego. Thankfully, most people aren't as hyper-emotional and narcissistic as you.
So it's wrong to help people fleeing violence and death because there are other people who are also in bad situations? How very Christian.

>>90502291
>asking others to disprove their own claims by finding a mythical answer in the thread
Nah. You can pretend that the answer exists though. You know where to find the image anyway

>>90502279
>How do you propose we vet people from failed states? These are third world countries with poor documentation and easily-bribed government officials. It's hardly a "manufactured fear", refugees/migrants actually ARE raping and murdering Westerners in the countries that graciously took them in. They actually ARE far more likely to commit rape, child rape, murder, and terrorist attacks. They actually DO hold beliefs incompatible with Western ideals.

And here are my sources on that... oh wait, I have none.

>>90502312
the point was anon was lying saying nobody carries out terrorist attack but muslims all the while the US bombs their hospitals because " oops"

>>90502279
>Ah, the classic liberal infantilization of non-Westerners. Why can't fellow Middle Easterners take care of them? Why can't the rich Gulf States take them in? Why can't Western nations set up safe zones for them in the ME? Why do you think the *only way* they can survive is under white Western guidance?

Better yet, if these "radical extremists" are such a tiny minority compared to your average upstanding Muslim, how are these terrorist groups even allowed to operate in all these Muslims countries without getting immediately shot?

>>90502279
>It's hardly a "manufactured fear", refugees/migrants actually ARE raping and murdering Westerners in the countries that graciously took them in
I'm sure there must be at least one incidence so this is technically true; it is not, however, an accurate depiction. The vast majority of refugees can't even mix with the native populations because they're held in shanty towns straight out of the grapes of wrath.
>They actually ARE far more likely to commit X Y Z
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13229.pdf
https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-says
Non-natives have a lower per-capita violent crime rate than natives
>They actually DO hold beliefs incompatible with western ideals
Just like every Jew isn't a monstrous ultra-orthodox palestinian-hunter, every Muslim is not a sharia-abiding genital-mutilating warlord.

>>90502111

Illegals cost 113 billion PER YEAR, retard.

And why are you pretending that wasting 113 billion on non-Americans is comparable to spending 113 billion to protect American sovereignty?

>>90502143

>Objectively false. Illegals know better than to break the law while breaking the law.
>Illegals know better than to break the law
>Illegals know better than to break the law
>Illegals know better than to break the law

>>90502315
>So it's wrong to help people fleeing violence and death
They're "fleeing" Islam.
If they're an Islamist who claims to be fleeing Islam, then they cannot by definition be a refugee. They are an opportunist migrant.

>>90502279
>there are a lot of people suffering so just fuck helping people in general.

>>90502279
>How do you propose we vet people from failed states? These are third world countries with poor documentation and easily-bribed government officials. It's hardly a "manufactured fear", refugees/migrants actually ARE raping and murdering Westerners in the countries that graciously took them in. They actually ARE far more likely to commit rape, child rape, murder, and terrorist attacks. They actually DO hold beliefs incompatible with Western ideals.
>they actually are mass committing crime. I have no proof of this outside of a few isolated incidents but trust me they're all inherently bad.
>calling people who can't do shit in a war torn country helpless is infantizing of non westerners
You are actually delusional. Like your mental gymnastics have ascended. You're arguing that we should ban refugees because people are capable of crime? Seriously? I can agree if you said "We have no obligation to help them" we don't. But you doing this whole "muh boogeyman" bullshit to claim the high ground is nonsensical

>>90502312
What countries are these again? Because Indonesia and Malaysia have the single largest Muslim population of any nation and are safer than a lot of US cities.

>>90502397
Notice how there's no Muslims in that drawing.

>>90502380
Same reason the KKK,Scientology, Conservative party

>>90502416
>Illegals cost 113 billion PER YEAR

> they dont spend that money on food and clothes which go right back into the economy

>>90502416
>while breaking the law.
You don't want to draw attention to yourself so no Illegals keep to themselves. If anything Illegals are more prone to victimized by american citizens because they're not going to the police.

>>90502416
>Illegals cost 113 billion PER YEAR, retard.
No they don't. That study is retarded for a plethora of reasons, one of the primary ones being that they include the use of money on american citizens related to illegal immigrants.

>>90502420
You're trying to use semantics to justify denying aid to refugees.

>>90502458
that brown kid could be a muslim, you don't know

>>90500830
Like liberals?

>>90502402
>Non-natives have a lower per-capita violent crime rate than natives
You're lumping together highly skilled professionals who legally immigrate to other countries throughout the EU for work, with rapefugees. I'm pretty sure you know that you're doing that, and it's disingenuous.

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>>90501728
>Christian societies have developed enough to separate the Church from the State

At Trumps inauguration before he swore his oath on the Christian religious book, a couple of people stood up to make speeches which basically amounted to "Jesus clearly loves America and I hope he can help the president do the job to the best of his ability".

That and the disparity in non believers in the US political system in general. Many would point blank refuse to vote for someone who did not follow a faith.

You can't claim a separation of church and state if the state uses items of faith in its rituals, and if they call upon figures from faith to guide them.

>>90500556
The issue about populists isn't so much that what they say is wrong, it's that they'll say anything to get to power. And once they're there they'll either do fuck all about the issues that got them elected (if they don't voluntarily make them worse) or go about dealing with them in ways that can be considered immoral if not illegal.

>>90502514
>rapefugees
how do you expect people to take you seriously?

>>90502380
Because your choices for a stable government are

A: a puppet backed by Western powers that rip your home apart for resources.

or

B: Extremists who promise to return your homeland's sovereignty to the way it was.

ISIS is literally brown Trump. They want to make the Caliphate great again.

Although this argument ignores that these groups have different ideologies in which case yes, they do end up getting shot by their own people. The downfall of these groups are often each other.

>>90502458
Notice how there's been Muslims in America since America existed.
>Thomas Jefferson studied the quran

>>90502511
exactly, wire taps, big crowds, 5 million, terrorist attacks in sweden

>>90502491
>You're trying to use semantics to justify denying aid to refugees.
Not only does one not have to justify not giving aid to refugees (see: Israel), but you have yet to establish why Islamists should be treated as refugees from their own ideology.

>>90502537
Because the massive amount of sexual assaults committed by rapefugees is a serious issue.

>>90502514
Alright then, fine, let's look at the overall violent crime rate in england and germany and sweden, three countries you claim are "devastated" by an increase in crime by refugees

Oh hey look, all of them are still trending down. It's almost like you're taking already exaggerated reports and pretending they're indicative of a crime wave that doesn't fucking exist.

>>90502315

Not a Christian, your sloppy shaming tactic doesn't work. These people should flee to nearby nations until the conflict in their homeland is finished. I'm fine with sending some troops/aid and sponsoring them in the ME, but bringing them here is not only dangerous bu inefficient.

>>90502435

I'm arguing that we shouldn't bring refugees to the West because the costs far outweigh the benefits. You do realize the people you're championing aren't fluffy little props you can trot around to show how tolerant you are, right? They're people from a vastly different culture who hold vastly different ideals. Child marriage is common, consanguineous marriage is common, honor killings are common, FGM is common, boy-rape is common, tribal warfare is common, sectarian violence is common, I could go on.

>>90502576
Silly anon, ideology doesn't kill people. People kill people.

>>90502545

So you're saying moderate Muslim groups don't exist.

They're either full durkadurka, or we pay them to not durka long enough to extract anything of value from their crazy shitholes.

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>>90501057
>lol wat
>my major exposure to current events is leaving CNN on in the background while I jack off to the smell of my own farts

There's only one dipshit in this thread that's not on the level and that's you.

>>90502596
Where are these massive numbers? Where are your sources?

>>90502547
>we wuz foundin' fathers n' sheet

>>90502596
that nobody could provide evidence for

>>90502486

Objectively false, look at that Argentine bimbo who was detained by ICE after giving a public speech about how she was an illegal and was against the deportations. Illegals flaunt their illegal status since they've been able to get away with it until now.

>>90502619
>These people should flee to nearby nations
Oh yeah, that's great, except
-those nations won't take them
-all muslims are not in the same sect and kurds going to a sunni country or shiites going to a kurdish area will get fucking slaughtered

You're completely ignorant of the area, so why are you pretending you have valid solutions to propose?

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>>90502651
>one headline proves that Sweden is IN FULL ON RAPE CRISIS
go back to your cult

>>90501728
>>90502528
Only the catholic church recognizes separation of state and church.
You're taking a coin flip with dealing with offshoot creeds of Protestantism/Anabaptists if they believe the same

>>90502644
Not anymore, we destroyed all the moderate Muslim groups. Iran used to be a democracy and ISIS wasn't created until we murdered Saddam who kept that region in check.

>>90502576
>From their own ideology
You mean from the fundamentalist extremist warlords who exist solely because the USA and the USSR wanted to dick around with each other in the middle east?

>>90501767
Who do you think makes up the vast majority of servicemen you retard? The second they get orders to drop bombs on American towns and civilians there will be a military coup

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>>90502705
Let's do this you knuckledragger.

>>90502675

>-those nations won't take them

These nations won't take them in because they're a massive security threat.

>
-all muslims are not in the same sect and kurds going to a sunni country or shiites going to a kurdish area will get fucking slaughtered

I don't fucking care. Not my people, not my problem. They can solve their own issues.

>>90502705

Go to Tim Pool's twitter, he's a journalist in Sweden objectively documenting what's going on.

>>90502761
Want to show me some actual sources instead of BIG LETTERS MUST BE TRUE screengrabs?

>>90502673
A Dreamer, someone who legally received a 2-year legal extension and didn't realize it would be revoked upon revealing themselves.

>>90501867
They don't have a right to be here. We can make it as hard as we want, never understood this argument.

>>90502776
>moving goalposts

>>90502651
> google lizzie

she only makes reports about migrants and how evil they are

>>90502782

1) The Dream act never passed, calling them "Dreamers" is a shoddy attempt at emotional manipulation.

2) She's an illegal. Illegals get deported. This is how it is in every other nation on Earth, including the Latin American countries most illegals are from.

>>90502804
> wanting sources is a goalpost

HAHAHAHAHA HI TRUMP

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>>90502804
Too bad I'm not the guy you were arguing with in the first place
Beyond that
>Dodging legitimate criticism so you don't have to back your "facts" up

Also, something about this "1 in 4" math don't ad up (assuming the numbers in that headline are even true)

>>90502776
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape

But let me guess, you're not going to like these facts, so you're going to post some smug face combined with a meme arrow.

>>90500766
But ISIS does rely on the same kind of discourse, telling local impressionable idiots that all that's wrong in their country is because of Western influences, and European Muslims that their country of adoption is keeping them down.
It's the same sort of misplaced anger, a case of "bad object", a boogeyman you can blame everything wrong on.

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>>90502776
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/world/europe/swedish-police-investigate-over-40-reports-of-rape-and-groping-at-2-music-festivals.html?_r=0

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/25428-swedish-police-government-covering-up-huge-migrant-crime-spree

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3022743/sweden-malmo-immigration-nigel-farage-ylva-johansson-rape-statistics-u-turn/

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12466/how-muslim-migration-made-malmo-sweden-crime-michael-qazvini

Press 'F' to show your respects.

>>90502737
And what would it take for you to join a fundamentalist extremist warlord?

We both think these people are subhuman, the only difference is that you think that it's okay that they're subhuman, because you hold them to subhuman standards.

>>90502761
The last known rape statistics for Sweden were a decrease of 12% from the previous year, a rate of around .06%

You're seriously going to claim that that number has jumped to 25 percent? That this year they went from roughly 5900 rapes in total to 2.4 fucking million?

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>>90500556

>>90502817
DACA did pass. The expansion was held.

>>90502576
Islamist =/= Muslim.

In the same way that Evangelist =/= Christian.

>>90502809
>reporting the truth

I understand you don't like the truth but you shouldn't hate her for reporting it.

So when are we going to rename /co/ to /pol2/?

>>90502769
>According to Salon, Pool found "little evidence of a Muslim crime wave"

good to know

>>90502913
Whenever /leftyco/ can figure out how to stop denying basic facts.

>>90502875
Actually, many Islamic countries do the same thing, even those that aren't considered "terrorist groups".

Look at Malaysia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc, all banning Valentine's Day for being "western degeneracy".

>>90502907
> opinion pieces

> truth

>>90500556
Try to read the comic first

>>90502613

You do realize that refugee/migrant crimes are severely under reported, right? The NYE Cologne attacks, wherein 1200+ assaults occurred, was only recorded as 17 assaults in police crime statistics.

http://www.express.de/koeln/cdu-ist-empoert-statistik--wo-sind-sex-mob-anzeigen-hin--24912862

>>90502894
This is a country where, last I heard, they were literally going to institute gender segregation in swimming pools because Muslims wouldn't stop sexually assaulting children.

So it's perfectly believable.

>>90502945
>implying Valentine's day isn't western degeneracy.
It's about fucking and eating chocolates.

>>90502945
> buy flowers and chocolate 1 time out of the year or you dont love your spouse

fucking degeneracy by corporations

>>90502862
Jewish lies.

>>90502952
>i don't like her opinion on facts
>so those facts are not the truth

>>90502919

>According to Salon

Is this b8?

Read his twitter yourself, he's still there as far as I know.

>>90502903
Do Muslims not believe in Islam?
Islamist is the more accurate term currently, as there is currently a movement to falsely portray "Muslim" as a race, and therefore any criticism against Islam "racist".

>>90500970
>You still don't get it,Red skull could be speaking about the values of liberalism and evils of trump or any topic,his intention and goals are what make him the bad guy

So you're saying that if Red Skull brought about paradise on Earth, worldpeace, cures cancer and whatnot, but does it for the wrong reasons we should stop him?

Are you sure you're not the bad guy, anon?

>>90502979
B-BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP MY ARGUMENT THAT IMMIGRANTS AREN'T A PROBLEM AT ALL!!!!!

>>90502979
you realize that crimes have to happen in order for them to get reported

>>90502901

DACA wasn't passed by congress, it was an executive order.

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>>90502862
>Sweden's violent crime rate has increased by 300% because of EBIL multiculturalism
lol wat

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Section_of_the_population_that_has_been_subject_of_different_types_of_offences_against_the_person_2005%E2%80%932013,_SCS.svg#/media/File:Section_of_the_population_that_has_been_subject_of_different_types_of_offences_against_the_person_2005%E2%80%932013,_SCS.svg

gee I wonder if this source can be trusted considering it flies in the face of the actual swedish crime statistics

>>90502744
This. So many people are fucking dumb. I don't know why /co/mblr thinks the have the enforcers for their liberal policies that'll go bombing their countrymen in the event they resist real tyranny. The military is composed primarily of conservatives.

>>90500994
France has had very few problems with their refugees except for them uglying up tourist spots by squatting them.
They have also received 70 times less Syrian refugees than Turkey (40k to 2.8mio). France's issues with immigration predate the current refugee crisis by decades.
Sweden would have been a better example.

>>90502988
>>90502994
Still better then the Hajj, which is about trampling each other to death and throwing rocks at other rocks.

>>90502998
theyre opinions on her opinions. she isnt basing anything on any solid proof or facts. her whole deal is selling muslims as monsters and yet you wanna call that objective reporting

>>90501793
Then they should get deported.

Nobody said moving to countries should be easy. Why does the United States get all the fuss for this? If I moved to Japan and overstayed my visa and got kicked the fuck out, nobody would complain. Hell, I wouldn't even complain!

You don't deserve to stick around illegally because doing it legally is hard. I don't just get to steal shit without getting punished because working is hard.

>>90500801
And? He is still a villain because he has bad intentions and doesn't believe what he's saying.

And even if he believed that him coercing people onto killing themselves and him being a terrorist makes him scum.

There is a villain who has actual beliefs that immigration is good and open borders is the way to go but he uses terrorist methods, his name is Flag Smasher, whatever you think about his beliefs he is bad because he's a fricking terrorist.

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>>90502878
>a single incident
that's not statistics
>gatestone institute garbage
lol you may as well be quoting dailymail
>muh conspiracies
>rapes jumped to 5650
Oh hey, some actual figures here.

So let's see. The total number of rapes in Sweden in 2015 was 5920. And the total number of rapes in Sweden in HELLSCAPE 2016 is...5650.

What a national nightmare

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>>90503034
EVERYTHING IS FINE, NOTHING TO SEE HERE

>>90503053
They still have a massive problem with their Muslim population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France

>>90503100

1) What was the total number of rapes in Sweden in 2000?

2) What is the ethnic makeup of rapists in Sweden?

>>90502980
>so it's perfectly believable
No. No it isn't. If you are willing to believe that refugees that number in the hundreds of thousands could possibly add 2.3 million rapes to a country's blotter in a year you need to be kept away from sharp objects and glue.

REEEEEEEEEEEE REFUGEES DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!!!

>>90503104
lol, since when were "grenade attacks" their own separate kind of crime?

That's assault with a deadly weapon. Which is down.

I wonder: are you purposefully using misleading interpretations of figures to drum up fear, or are you so ignorant of statistics that you're falling for the manipulation of others?

>>90501330
Let's not forget to blame Albion, they're the fuckers who started stirring this shit up.

>>90503178
I'm actually curious if you're one of the few literate Muslims that exists; if you're an average Swedeposter who hates your country, or if there's some third reason why despite the plethora of evidence spoon fed to you, you continue to deny that there's anything wrong.

>>90503178
when its reported on wiki with a marker that focuses on refugees

>>90502894

The "1 in 4" statistic refers to a woman's likelihood of being raped in her lifetime, not in a year.

>>90503253
its per day

>>90503131
That's only about 7 sexual assaults per Muslim refugee, per year.

These people don't work, and don't go to school. If they're caught, they're not deported, or even sent to jail; they just get community service time.

They can also be 30 years old and claim to be 12, and Swedes will believe them, giving them access in school to their favorite underage infidel targets.

Frankly, I'm surprised it's not higher.

>>90501489
They are retard. Why don't you look up basic, readily available data for this thing you seemingly care so deeply about.

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>>90503229
I'm an American Jew.

We take anti-indoctrination and anti-propaganda courses at Hebrew school and I've taken plenty of stats courses, which is why I understand full-well why your arguments are complete bullshit.

>>90503285
>They can also be 30 years old and claim to be 12, and Swedes will believe them
totally selling your believability there

>>90503021

>raping and molesting women isn't a crime

Achmed detected.

Raping women might be acceptable behavior in Shitholistan, but is sure isn't here.

>>90503317
http://www.thelocal.se/20160903/swedish-pediatrician-some-refugee-children-nearly-40

For someone who seems to know absolutely nothing of the current situation in Sweden, you sure seem to have strong views about things that you haven't bothered to learn the slightest thing about.

Why is that?

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>>90503317
Meet Ahmad Farid.

He's 16 years old.

>>90503361
its not if it doesnt actually happen.

>>90503310
Shouldn't you be demanding that Israel take in Islamist refugees, then?

>>90503378
>the current situation in sweden
by your own figures rape has gone down

see >>90503100

>>90503406
lol yeah refugees dont rape people it just doesnt happen

>>90503381
He looks hot.

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>>90503442
>hurr durr duh jews all are connected to israel!
Fuck Isreal and fuck the orthodoxy, they're literally just as bad as Islamic extremists.

Why do people hate Muslims taking over western countries? The whole "treating women as property" thing sounds pretty good.

>>90503378
why would i bother believing propaganda without any actual sourced truth?

>>90503381
wow, that 1 out of context picture is so ground breaking. care to post more?

>>90503480
All the more reason they should inflict Islamists on themselves.

>>90502945
There's a difference between banning Valentine's day and killing people. Not that those regimes don't do that too but usually with different justifications.

>>90503310

>I'm part of an ethnicity known for extreme propensity towards schizophrenia and other mental illnesses, take my words as fact

>>90503381
no he's 12 and winning a gradeschool race!

>>90503462
>wherein 1200+ assaults occurred, was only recorded as 17

>something happened 1200 times with no actual evidence from hospitals or police but believe me when i say it did because reasons

>>90503495

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/child-refugees-migrants-two-thirds-home-office-dental-teeth-david-davies-a7369186.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/two-thirds-of-child-refugees-entering-uk-found-to-be-adults-figu/

>>90503448
Not even a cuckswede would make your arguments faggot

>>90503507
> Nobody has been murdered over Valentines day shit. EVER. Not even through proxies like STDs

>>90503533

>no actual evidence from hospitals or police

Aside from all the women who reported their assaults to the police and numerous eye witnesses

>>90503124
Which wasn't the argument.

>>90503533
Consequently, last year police detained gangs of Muslim immigrants traveling together, and these massive sexual assaults didn't happen.

Really makes you think!

>>90503586
>numerous eye witnesses
who did nothing to stop the rape?

totally believable

>>90503599
not much without an actual source. why would they detain gangs and not arrest them?

>>90503621

Many were women who were victims themselves.

You do realize that this was a group of 2000+ men, right?

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>>90503564
Whose claim is that?

>>90503621
Most passerbys would not know what is happening until after the woman was already sexually assaulted and robbed. They travel in gangs of 20+, surrounding the woman, so that they only thing anyone would see from the outside is "a bunch of dirty mudslimes crowding together."

Now that you know that this is exactly what is happening when a bunch of mudslimes crowd together, would you jump into a crowd of 20 angry mudslimes surrounding a woman by yourself?

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>>90503684
>2000+ men went around as a group raping women

I'm sure.

>>90503586
Aren't those the 17?

>>90500801
He is right, but since that panel is a thinly veiled "TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER" critique the reader is supposed to view Red Skull as a bad guy.

>/pol/acks tell me rape has skyrocketed in Sweden
>actual numbers show a significant decrease
>/pol/acks tell me violent crime has skyrocketed in Sweden
>actual numbers show a significant decrease

Literally every western country is getting better, with or without refugees. Our rape statistics our going down, our murder statistics are going down, our child mortality statistics are going down, our violent crime statistics are going down. Only when you cherrypick shit like 'grenade incidents' do you ever see a rise in these figures.

Just fucking stop. There is no wave of crime and death that comes with refugees. There a few assholes as there will be in any group of people, but not nearly enough to actually present a genuine spike in crime, or overshadow the amount of crimes committed by natives.

We're too awesome at integrating people at this point for them to matter. Our way of life is flat out better and most of them recognize it, even if they pay lipservice to whatever traditions they've brought with them. Religion and race always play second fiddle to economics and pragmatism. The bank always wins. Always, always, always.

>>90503285
>That's only about 7 sexual assaults per Muslim refugee, per year.

If you are genuinely willing believe that every single refugee is a rapist, no matter what, just to justify the insane numbers your brietbart tier outlets manufacture, you are delusional beyond hope.

>>90503684
well that makes sense. a group of 2000 muslims wandering the streets raping women that nobody captured footage of in this day and age of camera phones.

>>90503721
1200 times in a row. talk about a kill streak

>>90503672
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/749386/German-police-criticism-Cologne-Germany-migrant-men-sex-attacks-Green-party

I'm curious what you're even trying to do.

We all know that all you're going to do, no matter what source is posted, is deny it for no reason.

What you're not taking into account is that we're not trying to convince you. There's probably a good 30 people just watching this thread, reading all the evidence is posted, and watching you go "haha doesn't count BTFO".

Those people are all now well aware of what is going on with Muslim migrants in Europe, as well as the concentrated effort by people such as yourself to cover it up.

You're hardly doing your position any favors.

>>90503793
>brietbart
they are a sound news organization. Trump has said so himself and cited them constantly

>>90500556
Its literally propaganda only a cuc kservative would fall for. Its a gay fantasy not real. 100,000 isnt even close to so called millions

>>90500600
you son of a bitch

>>90503775
That page predates Trump's candidacy I'm pretty by years.

>>90503804
>is deny it for no reason.
when theyre all from the same fake source? yeah probably.

youre trying to tell me 1 news report of 1 incident meants that a billion other claims of the same thing must be true

>>90500556
He's pandering to that particular audience, saying what they want to hear so they'll follow him.

In reality he couldn't give less of a shit about America, its people or its culture. If he was able to achieve his aims and take over the US he's throw out everything for what fits his own ideology.

>>90503804
>Those people are all now well aware of what is going on with Muslim migrants in Europe
Well yes, if they've actually been paying attention to the thread they know that violent crime is still stable or decreasing in countries that take in refugees.

But that's not the reality you want them to see, is it?

>>90503804
Oh yeah you fucking red pilled everyone by reposting shit that's posted on 4chan daily.

>>90503884
>1 news report
>1 incident

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

All anyone has to do to see that you're full of shit is to scroll up a little bit, to see the dozens of news sources involving dozens of different incidents. If you actually cared about being truthful, you could just as easily google these things yourself, and find the one particular source you find trustworthy, that still says the exact same thing as the rest reported on.