How is it there was a 1080p Bluray Rescan of Rescue Rangers from

Probably, Disney isn't going to abandon the Russian waifu cult centered around Gadget.

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>>90497312

Looks like they Re-scanned Goof Troop at 1080p too. here's hoping they do Gummi bears next. That or Duck Tales.

>>90497361
Is this real?

Cause you know, a good upscaling algorithm cab do that too

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>>90497516

It is. I don't know if we're going to be this lucky in the future though. They re scanned the little mermaid & Timon & pumba recently too, but they cropped them to 16:9 so you lose 25% of the image on the top & bottom. If they do that to Tale Spin I'll cry.

>>90497538
I wish that you won't have to cry, anon.

>>90497312
>Russian waifu cult
What?

>>90497925
You've done it now anon

>>90497312
not this shit again

>>90497538
Can you link to it? I've been searching and I can't find anywhere to buy/download/stream it

>>90497280
ho yeah? Where?

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>>90498725

>>90498725
sheeiiiittttt

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>>90498725
noice

>>90497538
>>90497361
>>90497280
these look great

>>90498725
that must be 100 Go of squirels.

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Eugh, the high def just makes the Japanese/Korean animation worse.

>>90498725
Holy crap, it's real. I thought it's just some lame ass upscale, damn.

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What did they mean by this?

>>90497925
http://www.odditycentral.com/news/russian-cult-worships-female-cartoon-character.html

>>90499472
Huh, I never noticed that she wore a glove.

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>>90498725
What a waste of production budget. This is almost entirely fully animated on 1s and 2s, almost no limited animation or held poses.

But it's so bland and uneventful, and when there's actual animation action to do, half the time the timing and posing are completely off, and the other half they're just bland.

I'm starting to really appreciate the modern Disney and WB cartoons. Bunnicula and Wabbit are genius compared to this.

Watching this again puts all those fond childhood memories in perspective...

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>>90499553
I wonder how the production of this shot went.
>I need this entire scene in full animation on 2s with no held poses by the big rat.
>Sure thing boss, what poses should we use?
>All of them.

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More timing and posing problems.

Should have spent some of that budget on sheet timers and layout artists.

>>90499553

Then just post HD waifu screencaps.

Jeez, you know that's all anyone in this thread REALLY cares about.

>>90499785
I care about animation. It's the main reason I visit /co/.

I like pointing out good and bad animation.

People praise the Disney Afternoon shows, and for good reason: compared to the '80s, they had tons of animation in them. An entire show with full animation on 2s means a lot of animation, but not necessarily a lot of good animation, and I think this distinction is important.

>>90497361
>here's hoping they do Gummi bears next. That or Duck Tales.
Both of those shows would be interesting because there's more in-house animation in those. I think by the time they got to Chip and Dale they probably had at most 10% in-house animation.

>>90497280
>>90497361
>>90497538
>>90498725
>>90499411
>>90499472
>>90499553

Huh. I'd always heard that the Disney Afternoon, and really any and all 80s and 90s cartoons with animation outsourced to Asia, were mastered on video rather than film. As a result, HD conversions were impossible.

Were the Disney shows a unique situation where they were mastered on film (because Disney could afford it) or is this like the Transformers fiasco, where the production animation was done on film, but the broadcast mastering process was done on video, meaning the film negatives contained unfinished and error-riddled animation rather than the finalized version?

>>90499775
>Should have spent some of that budget on sheet timers and layout artists.
koreans don't give a fuck

>>90499925
>koreans don't give a fuck

It's funny how South Korean animation has really turned around and Japanese animation has fallen behind in the last 15 years.

It used to be that if the animation in an outsourced cartoon was either good or competent, it came from a Japanese studio, while if it looked like incomprehensible shit, you knew it was Korean. Studios like Akom and Wang and Sunwoo, just milling out garbage.

Now the best outsourced animation comes from South Korea, studios like Mir and Dong Woo and Hanho Heung-up (who used to be lousy, season 1 Swat Kats, but got their shit together, Spectacular Spider-Man). Japanese studios, on the other hand, have been inbred and assembly lined to the point where they can't produce anything but unmoving, cheek-mouthed, jagged, neon puppets.

Rise and fall of empires.

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>>90499785
Here you go you disgusting degenerate.

>>90499925
It was Disney's money, though. Instead of doing 25,000 drawings per show, they could have done 20,000 drawings and spent the rest of the money on salaries for sheet timers and layout artists. They would have ended up with near-feature-film quality animation, instead of the lots-of-motion-but-no-sense that they ended up with.

>>90500111
>It was Disney's money, though. Instead of doing 25,000 drawings per show, they could have done 20,000 drawings and spent the rest of the money on salaries for sheet timers and layout artists. They would have ended up with near-feature-film quality animation, instead of the lots-of-motion-but-no-sense that they ended up with.

On the other end of the spectrum is all-on-ones-but-still-looks-like-shit Kennedy Cartoons.

30million frames per episodes and oh god just STOP MOVING FOR FIVE SECONDS PLEASE I'M BEGGING YOU WHY IS EVERYONE DANCING ALL THE TIME. Luckily, I think Disney only ever used them for, like, 3 episodes of Darkwing Duck and then very quickly realized it was a mistake.

More frames doesn't automatically make for better animation (which I know was your point).

>>90500111
if it's bedroom eyes, it's never rape.

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>the series had a supervising timing director and 2-3 full-time timing directors
I... I don't know what to say. Did the timing sheets get lost on the way to the overseas studios?

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>>90500305
All the """wild""" takes look Japanese as fuck.

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Each episode has one or two shots that look pretty good, probably done in-house.

Didn't know, only own the DVDs.

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Bare human breasts on a Disney cartoon

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I'm constantly reminded how hard it is to get five characters from place to place all the time.

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>>90499666
>>90499775
By the way this was animated by Walt Disney Japan, which supposedly took all the best crewmembers from TMS, which supposedly was the best outsourced animation studio. If that's the best of the best when they're working with the largest animation budget at the time, then they're not very good.

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Honestly watching all of this expensive animation makes me really appreciate Disney's current lineup like Star vs Evil and even their shittier shows like that Daredevil kid.

HD transfers of animation intended for standard definition viewing was a mistake.

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>>90500773
Definitely not. Even if the show itself is shitty, some of the art is amazing (pic not related)

>>90500761
>I'll cherrypick the bad scenes and none of the good scenes

>>90500847
All the extra details just make it look wrong to me. I imagine they knew they'd get lost in the process, which is why this weirdness doesn't happen with feature films.

>>90500682

I was about to call you out as TMSfag/Famicom, but then you criticized TMS, so now I'm proud of you, instead.

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>>90500848
Dude I'm not cherry-picking. Download and watch it for yourself.
Despite each episode having a timing supervisor and three or four timing directors, the animation is janky as hell. Almost always on 2s and almost always full animation (redrawing the entire character, not just one part), but nearly never timed and posed properly.

Are they doing this with Talespin?

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>>90500924
Have you watched this in 240p? This show, and all the other Disney Afternoon shows, were never meant for VHS. The linework is too thin to register properly on VHS. It's true that they cut corners for small details (pic related) but you can see the exact same thing in hand-drawn Disney feature films. It's more of a constraint due to the size of the brushes they used than anything related to the screen size and resolution.

>>90499919
I think it depends on the company. Like there's evidence that the early Cartoon Network cartoons (Dexter's Laboratory, Powerpuff Girls, etc) were mastered on film, so HD conversion would be theoretically possible. What's really unique here is that Disney is actually willing to put in the time and money to rescan their shows.

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>>90501098
And they're not even ruining it with DVNR, everything looks exactly like it should.

>>90497280

This is the first time in hearing this

In gonna need to get a hold of this disk

>>90501060
I watched it originally when it aired.

So when does this come out?

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>shot comes back from overseas, text is mirrored
>"Retake: Please mirror the English text"
>retake comes back
>deadline / no more budget

>>90501172
It's out on Amazon or Hulu or something.

>>90501140
Well you better take another look at the VHS and/or DVD.

>>90501192
>Liam
Kek

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>>90501207
Even with the artifacts, this looks more palatable to me.

Where's Darkwing Duck damnit!?

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All these scientists/engineers using their brilliant inventions for crime...
- solar-powered bakery: healthcare violations
- shrink/grow ray: smuggle cars
- disintegrator-reintegrator: rob jewellery

These dumbasses could have been making billions if they patented and licensed their inventions.

>>90501312
This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtrqJm9UBII

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>>90501306
Then you got audiophile vinyl issues, you're so used to the artefacts that you don't like anything else.

Look at the chroma aberrations (red/green fringes), broken lines, noise, speckle, not to mention film-to-NTSC/PAL pulldown judder.

You're just nostalgic for the "classic" look...

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The episode has a lot of novel human character designs.

>>90501421
I'm not the guy you've been talking to but for some reason the high def versions look more "classic" to me. I love being able to see where they painted outside the lines and stuff like that, makes it feel more real.

>>90501312
Better question, how long until Gargoyles in HD?

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>>90501421
I dunno, I look at this, a Disney film from the same era, and it looks fine. But the television show looks wrong.

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This episodes (S4E16) is the best posed and animated one. It's like they put someone who can draw in charge of facial expressions, and the timing doesn't suck, finally.

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>>90501705

>>90501695
You're comparing xeroxed lines to hand-inked, and yeah the pic you posted is way better, has much finer linework, and just better-drawn and colored in general.

But that's not an argument in favor of blurriness, color artifacts, noise, and specks.

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Delicious Gadget feet

CH-CH-CH-CH-CHIP N DALE

>>90501192
kek

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Maybe I'm projecting, but it looks like there's a lot of rape in this series.

>>90500057
Wang was Taiwansee, and more hit and miss than outright bad. And as plainly evidenced, this show was doomed to fail, animation-wise, regardless of whether it was Japanese or otherwise.

>>90501479
kek

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>>90503435
I'm starting season 1 now (season 4 was pretty bad, acting-, timing-, and posing-wise) and at least the first episode is a cut above. Still plenty of timing issues but the acting and posing are really good in some of the one-off characters, and the main cast is very Disney-fied in terms of animation.

You can still see the seeds of the spastic acting like in >>90499666 and >>90499775 but it's under control.

The vast majority of poses and expressions are super-mild, but that's the nature of the beast.

This is a really expensive babbies' cartoon.

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S1E02 is pretty well-animated too. I wonder if it was just the initial push at the beginning of the series, because season 4 really sucked in comparison.

>>90497361
>>90497538
HD GT MEGA where?

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S1E03 - I remember watching this episode as a child. Felt really strange watching this in such high quality.

The animation is still pretty much as good as it can get. Some great poses, I'm assuming the stoeyboard/layout artists still cared this early into production. Good facial expressions. Some shots are stolen directly from classic Disney theatrical cartoons, like drooling Dale in pic related.

Timing on the whole is still what you'd expect from an outsourced studio, but generally good. Some shots have surprisingly good timing, other shots have the spastic timing from season 4.

>>90503900
There were other cartoons in the 90s where the latter seasons looked worse than the earlier either because of budget cuts or because the team was stretched thin and devoting more of their attention to a newer show.

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Thanks, Disney.

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Tits aside, this is a really well-animated sequence, both the "TV show" and Dale who's watching it.

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Most of the humans in this show are really ugly.

>>90504306
Which episode?

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I had forgotten how fucking boring Gadget actually was.

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I have a feeling the first two episodes had a lot of in-house production. The third episode is already showing some cracks.

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>>90504434
S1E03, I've started watching them in order.

>Aw gee Mister Wizard, I was hoping you'd teach us how to make plastic explosives with household detergents.
Possibly the best joke in the entire show.
Timing and posing keeps going down the tubes, though.

>>90504571
>>90504434
Actually it's S1E04, I lost track.

>>90504698
Thanks

Post more Gadget

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Got nothing to say about episode 5.
This sequence of shots from episode 6 is really well-animated, I wonder if it was done in-house.

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>>90504780
>insert lewd caption here

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>>90504898
The subsequent sequence of action shots returns to the usual quality.

I'm still amazed there are TV shows done entirely on twos in full animation. All that work... for a relatively forgettable show.

>>90504898
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if TMS outsourced some of the episodes (or at least portions of them). The quality's pretty uneven.

>>90504947
>We let'em watch, but only the first time's free

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>>90497280

Didn't Chip fail to romance her?

>>90501122

this gives me hope that Disney might one day rescan all their xerox era work for some kind of anniversary or something, because I would pay through the nose to see a lot of those exactly how they are on the masters.

>>90497280

where did you get these? Are they on Amazon Instant or something? If there's no choice, I'll happily use the big MEGA provided, but it'd be nice to show some support in the only language Disney understands.

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This show is boring and the animation has returned to being boring.

>>90505038
I'd be more inclined to believe the really good animation was done in-house at Disney, and the run-of-the-mill stuff was done at TMS. When you compare their work to Sunwoo you see it's pretty much the same - anime-esque takes, timing all over the place.
Would make more sense that the really good stuff was done in the States.

>>90504490
Supposedly, that had to do with most of the writing team having trouble understanding her character type. Tad Stones once talked in an interview about a scene where Gadget went "I'll be down in a sec, guys" and kind of belayed her way down, where some of the other staffers tried to get the scene rewritten because they thought it was out of character. He had to go "no, I made this character. I know what's in-character"

>>90505038

Fuck off, TMSfag.

>>90505231
no, according to a fan comic they had little mutant kids

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This came up a lot in season 4, but I forgot to mention it: everybody in this show has guns. Real guns.

>>90505387
Modern Clayton?

>>90497280
>>90497361
>>90497538

Looks more like upscaled from the original because OF COURSE, DNR UP THE ASS.

Altough i believe they needed to recreate the original fade ins and fade outs as well as the credits.

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>>90499919
This one gets constantly posted, but yes, 97% of shows starting around the 80s, were mastered on video rather than film, or in some cases, mastered on film, then transfered on video, and then the film master is "discarded".

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>>90505281
Even if Gadget was the most engaging character in the universe, the rest of the writing was boring enough to drown it out. Is Duck Tales like this too?

>It's heavy metal music, you're not SUPPOSED to like it.
I feel like there was a better joke there, but it got rewritten.

>>90505592
I feel like you're pulling those figures out of your ass. I feel like if this was any other thread, you'd say Disney Afternoon shows were mastered on video. Lo and behold, they were mastered on film.

Frankly outside of early CG cartoons I don't know a single show that had any reason to be mastered on video, especially since animation cels HAD to be shot on film, there was no way to transfer them directly to video tape.

>>90504238
>>90504306
Finally my obscure waifu is in HD

>>90505664

It had to do with overseas shipping. It was colossally cheaper to ship tapes across the Atlantic than film reels, hence why most studios mastered on video rather than film.

Disney had in-house studios scattered all over the globe in the late 80s and most of the 90s (Japan, France, Australia). So they could master them on film and didn't have to worry about shipping the negatives because they could be stored in their international studios.

But the film reels aren't the broadcast masters. As was mentioned earlier in this thread, the restoration process for these shows still requires certain camera work to be recreated, like fades and wipes and credits, because those were completed on the broadcast master video tapes, not the film reels.

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I like this episode already

What is the most obscure Disney Afternoon cartoon? I want to say it's Marsupilami.

>>90500682
They' got better by the time they got to work on Gargoyles.

>>90505936
Raw Toonage

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>>90505855
This episode did not have enough boobies

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>>90505939
After watching the first half of season 1 which was done entirely by TMS, I can say that they are better than Walt Disney Japan.

That said, the animation in general is uninspired, so even really good uninspired animation is still uninspired.

This series of shots from episode 11 has the usual timing issues, and for reasons I don't understand, nearly all of the "wild" takes are anime-esque.

>>90506075
>entirely
Of course not "entirely", the outsourced animation was done by TMS, there is still in-house animation here and there.

>>90505959
Raw Toonage was Saturday morning. Disney Afternoon was Gummi Bears, Duck Tales, Tale Spin, Rescue Rangers, Darkwing Duck

>>90506118
Oh

>>90501306

>janky-ass chroma artefacts all over
>that fucked up skin/fur/hair tone
>chromatic abberration EVERYWHERE

Anon, I know you're not satan, but please reconsider.

Also, people like to bag on VHS for its utterly diabolical chroma artefacts and general colour mess, but nobody ever talks about how bad the luma values on VHS are. Which is to say they're fucking atrocious.

Just gaddamn, I'm fairly certain VHS isn't actually a video format at all, but some form of cruel and unusual torture.

>>90506075

Permission to speak freely about TMS without attracting the autistic repetition of TMSfag/Famicom?

TMS was better than most of the other outsourced studios of the era, but most of the time the animation they produced was not good.

They definitely applied Japanese animation sensibilities to the American shows they worked on and the differing attitudes clashed.

I dunno about Rescue Rangers since I haven't rewatched it in forever, but recently rewatching DuckTales, I could see a lot of "blow all the budget, time and manpower on a 30 second action sequence that looks super fuckin cool, the other 21 1/2 minutes look like bland but competent meh".

That's a very Japanese way of doing things. American cartoons tend to spread the budget around, so you don't get that 30 second burst of beauty, but the characters actually move and emote evenly across the whole cartoon. TMS had a hard time trying to do the "characters emote and move all the time even when it isn't a money shot" thing and that's how we'd wind up with those weird sequences posted in this thread where the characters look like they're having fuckin seizures.

In short: TMS was better but by no means good. At least not in regards to their outsourced work on American shows. They just didn't get American animating concepts and their attempts to copy what they thought it was wound up looking ridiculous or plain ole bad.

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I feel bad for this guy.

He invented autonomous pest-catching robots, free-energy flying carpets, and a teleporter, but he keeps using his inventions for criminal schemes instead of making mad dosh out of them legally.

>>90506099
You're thinking of the pilot episodes. the rest of the first season explicitly credits TMS. So unless there was uncredited work by the in-house staff, then I'm not buying that.

>This series of shots from episode 11 has the usual timing issues, and for reasons I don't understand, nearly all of the "wild" takes are anime-esque.

I'd assume it's because they were done by animators used to doing wild takes the anime way.

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>>90501626
probaly never as Disney has locked that up on purpose in their vault because they got a beef with the show's creator.

>>90505297
What makes you think I'm TMS fag? Do I look like I'm praising TMS here? Because I'm not.

>>90505592
>>90499919

>>89838565

>The reason for this one is because American cartoons were mastered on video tape in the 80s and 90s rather than mastered on film.

>Because we outsourced out animation to Korea and Japan, it was monumentally cheaper to ship video tapes back and forth across the Pacific rather than film reels. So as a cost-saving measure, we started mastering cartoons on video.

>The trade-off was a loss of definition of vibrant colors. DiC cartoons from the era suffer worse on this end than any other (try watching Dennis the Menace or Heathcliff and the Catillac Cats or Inspector Gadget and you'll see what I mean).

>People often wonder why Japan can take anime done in 1985 and release it on blu ray in HD, but America can't do that with it's cartoons. That's because the Japanese didn't outsource their animation overseas (duh) so they could master everything on film. We couldn't.

>Also why if you look at the rare cartoons that were produced in the US at the time, such as Filmation shows, their DVD transfers have vibrant colors and crisp lines. No outsourcing overseas, so they mastered everything on film. The downside is the actual animation in those shows is shit, but oh well.

>>72443915

>>90506238
I wonder if you've re-watched Bonkers since you were a kid. I had fond, yet hazy, memories of Rescue Rangers. Now that I watch it again, the animation is great (compared to '80s cartoons) but the characters are so bland and the action is so mild that I have to wonder why I remembered it so fondly in the first place. I didn't have a crush on Gadget either. My heart belonged to Scarlett from GI Joe.

>>90505664
Just take a look at ANY cartoon from the 90s and early 2000s when all the sudden it feels like the animation gets "faster".

that's because they speed-up the footage and for a reason, it was mastered on video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykv1aZ6HkuM

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>>90506267
You're right, no credits. It still looks very Disney to me, maybe people were sent over to assist with the Disney style, but stopped after season 1.

>>90506297
What really
They released the second volume of season 2 years after volume 1 came out so I figure that was a favor to the fans considering volume 1's poor sales resulting in that long delay. I also remember the entire series being officially uploaded on youtube, though I haven't checked if it's still there.

>>90506352
I'm betting it was Gadget.

>>90506227
Honestly, I never got the TMS praise. Are they better than other studios, at times. But I can't say they're "The best out there". Hell, rewatching DuckTales recently, I honestly preferred the later seasons' animation over that of season 1's.

>>90506352
I never watched any of the Disney Afternoon as a kid. Having watched them in High School a decade back I'd say my favourites were Darkwing Duck, Ducktales, Talespin and Gummi Bears, Goof Troop is also pretty good but it is the most '90s of the shows. Rescue Rangers was always a bit dull for me.

>Spoiler

Good

>>90498725
Webms of gadget like this, PLEASE, i remember she doing a move with her shoulder.

>>90506336

Why are you copy-pasta-ing something I wrote weeks ago but editing it to sound like a quote from an interview?

I mean, I stand by my evaluations of the system, but don't pretend my words are from a show producer, dude.

>>90506385
Serious [citation needed] because I can think of very few shows that had that. Project Geeker, The Mask, and maybe Bill & Ted... from that to "97%" the road is long. And even those shows, it's entirely possible that there are original masters and broadcast masters.

>>90501695

The reason that looks fine is because Rescuers Down Under was made digitally. Digital to digital means a pretty complete preservation and no loss of quality due to the physical medium at all. you're seeing that movie EXACTLY as you remembered it.

Chip and Dale here was clearly originally film. The problem there is that once you put film through the wringer to get to VHS/Laserdisc/Betamax you inherently lose quality because the format carrying them is analogue and subject to myriad luma/chroma issues and similar. The effect only degrades further once you try and send that analogue stuff over the air and introduce interlacing artefacts. Ergo the Chip-n-Dale you remember was completely janked up to begin with but it's what youre used to.

Seeing the film-digital transfer here reveals fucking EVERYTHING and that's actually the way it was intended to be seen. It's just that until now we haven't had the technology to actually present those originals accurately.

TL:DR: thank heavens for digital.

>>90506526
I'll make one when I get to that episode, or if you tell me which episode that is I'll skip over and make it now.

>>90501306
>>90503649
Actually, looking them back to back, neither seem to have a good color timing.....

>>90506535
That anon did try to credit you by linking to your post, but archive failed. This one works http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/89836356/#89838565

>>90497361
there a mega for the HD goof troop?

>>90506625

Ah; my bad, then. I thought he was replying to pruned posts or something.

>>90506227
>>90506467

I think TMS's work on Warner Bros cartoons was a bit better than what they did for Disney, DiC or Hasbro/Sunbow (you want to see some GARBAGE from TMS, check out Visionaries beyond the pilot episode).

TMSfar and others like him tend to have tunnelvision about their obsession and act like their best Tiny Toons work was what they always produced all the time for every studio contractor.

But to be frank, I think a lot of what made TMS look like it was hot shit came from the company it kept. Put a TMS episode next to a Kennedy Cartoons episode and yeah, they're gonna seem like they're light years ahead of the competition. Take their work objectively, however, and their work suffered from all the same production quality issues as any other first run syndication show.

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Yeah fine okay I can fap to this

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>it's a "toddler in peril" episode

People here have such shit taste

Go back to your digital beanmouth noodle armed shit.

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Did I mention this show has guns? 'cause this show has guns.

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>>90507135
I don't even know what you're supposed to be >implying

Completely unrelated, but considering this show came out during the height of "don't let kids show dumb stuff that they might imitate", this show sure has a lot of dumb stuff that kids can imitate.

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>rifled shotgun bore
this triggers /k/

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calm your tits

>>90507206
People implying that this looks bad or it's animated poorly.

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>>90507238
Well, there are some shotguns with a third drilled barrel (popular in Germany, called drillings).

So, it's not implausible, just very unlikely and obviously a mistake on the part of the animator who thought he was being clever.

>>90506789
marginally. But remember, TMS was often paired up with other companies like Kennedy, AKOM and Freelance. In comparison, I can see where people are coming from. On their own, you can see the flaws start to poke through.

And this is especially true on shows like Chip 'N Dale's RR. You can see weird timing issues, a lack of shading (though that's more a general issue than just specific to TMS), and a team of animators unsure how many poses characters need to have per animation.

>>90507238
That shot triggers broadcast standards and practices. Having a character aim any kind of firearm directly at the viewer became forbidden not too long after this.

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First episode by Walt Disney Japan. This is way better than their season 4 work. Very close to feature film quality. I was starting to forget what facial expressions look like. I wonder if there's going to be gradual decline or if it all goes to hell immediately in season 2.

>>90507373
[citation needed]

>>90504898
I loved this ep as a kid.
But I loved the foxglove ones more in secret and told no one until today.

>>90507238
deer guns/ slugs.
shotgun hunting is very popular in europe. They have tons of exotic and really great shotgun slugs they just don't sell over here.

It's a shame because some are absolutely amazing and will shoot great out of a smooth or rifled barrel.

>>90507283
>animated poorly
Comparatively, in certain areas.

Clearly this show has tons of drawings. Almost always on 2s and always full animation.
Clearly a large number of the characters are designed with Disney principles.
Clearly some of the posing and acting is classic Disney.

But when you think of all this, and look at the end result, you see very well-animated blandness, with very frequent rough spots where poses and timing just don't work.

And then when you compare it with modern shows (the example I gave being Star vs Evil) with far smaller budgets and far less drawings and far WORSE drawings, yet they still manage to have better acting, posing, and timing (even though personally I hate the timing on Star vs Evil).

So the conclusion is that throwing money at animation doesn't make it good past a certain stage. I mean, if I had to guess, I'd say foot-for-foot, this show was more expensive to animate than classic Looney Tunes or Disney theatrical shorts. But it's nowhere near as inventive, clever, lively, funny, touching, etc.

The big reason is time constraints - making 200-400 minutes of animation a year gives you far less time to work than 20-40 minutes of animation a year.

Another reason is just the crew not caring.

Wasn't there supposed to be a Rescue Rangers movie? What happened to that?

>>90507545
>the foxglove ones
>plural

Nigga she was only in 1 episode.

>>90507745
I have bad memory when it comes to this show then.

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>A FIVE-parter
what the fuck

also this show has tons of Asian stereotypes

>>90507676
>Wasn't there supposed to be a Rescue Rangers movie? What happened to that?

DuckTales: The Movie underperformed so they canned their Disney Afternoon feature films with the exception of the Goof Troop movie that became A Goofy Movie and was not advertised as being based off the TV series.

The Rescue Rangers comic from Boom Studios from a few years back supposedly based it's opening arc on the unproduced movie script. It wasn't very good.

>>90506118
I'd hesitate to even call Gummi Bears a Disney Afternoon show, since it was really just a Saturday morning cartoon that happened to reach the syndication requirement right as the block premiered. It only spent a year on the block, compared to the five years it ran on Saturday mornings.

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>It never hurts to be prepared
Another joke that got rewritten? Doesn't match the animation at all.

>>90507836
Err I meant the live action/3D one. I remembering hearing about it a couple of years ago.

>>90507823
>what the fuck
All of Disney's syndicated cartoons at the time premiered with a movie that was cut up into 5 episodes later. Rescue Rangers just got its a bit later, because it wasn't originally meant for syndication. Disney just saw the success of Ducktales and quickly switched Rescue Rangers' format.

It's also worth noting that Aladdin: The Animated Series originally wanted to do this, but Disney decided it was good enough to bill as a sequel to the movie. That's what single-handedly started the era of cheap sequels.

>>90507676
>>90508082
It probably got forgotten or shelved

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I don't think I can subject myself to two more seasons of this right now. Anyway the show is consistently bland and forgettable.

Good job Disney.

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Gadget might be the cause for my Wrench Wench fetish. Not that I'm complaining.

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webm requests?

>>90499666

It's like have the entire animation done by inbetweeners with no keyframes.

It's the Zelda CDI thing, inexperienced animators feeling that good animation comes from constant movement.

>>90508586
>webm requests?

Red dress Gadget from Double-O Chipmunk?

>>90508605
Plenty of keys there. What it lacks is:
- held poses
- timing, which includes:
-- settle
-- follow-through
- but most importantly, the understanding that animation is acting, and the way the character moves needs to reflect what the character is thinking, feeling, trying to express, trying to hide, and so on.

Otherwise you end up with Power Rangers that just move their head and their arms when they talk to signify that they're talking.

>>90505695
>shrunken woman fetish

>>90508586

This? >>90498725

Also this? >>90506526

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>>90508886
workin on it

>>90508933
>workin on it

You're doing God's work, anon.

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>>90498725
Thanks

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>>90506352
>Not knowing I just watched the first half of Season 1 and loved it, picking up on all the stuff I missed all those years ago
Joke's on you!

>>90508996
I think the first season was higher quality than the second because it was produced later but aired first. Even as a kid I thought the Miranda episodes were terrible and unfunny even though she was attractive.

>>90506240
It's called stupid evil for a reason, anon.

>>90509001
oh boy, something wild is gonna happen next

>>90508586
>webm requests?

Anything with Foxglove hitting on Dale?

>>90509216
>>90509001
>>90508586
You're awakening something I thought I'd lost.

>>90509286
Do people seriously like Bimbo-Gadget?

>>90509286
She looks like she has a black eye

>>90509339
>>90509286
The fish-lips and clown makeup certainly don't help, but the low-cut dress with leg slits is nice nonetheless.

Take Gadget's normal head and put it on the body with that dress, and it's the best of both worlds.

>>90509286

HNNNNGG

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What's worse: Only a few Disney Animation shows being mastered/preserved on film, or the means by which Disney "digitally remasters" its classic animated films?

>>90509480

yes

>>90509413
And make that dress black... Or eggshell blue. Aww yiss.

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>>90506526
>>90508886
This is the shoulder move i think

>>90509597

This brings out the Russian in me.

>>90509597
What the fuck is this ganguro shit

>>90510147

TMSfag, you put a lot of time into that.

But you are still TMSfag.

So fuck off.

>>90509884
That "black eye" mark recedes back down to normal eyeshadow in several frames. It's like even the paint guys thought it looked stupid and kept forgetting they were supposed to do it the "wrong" way.

>>90510167

He'll reply "that is not him" or "this has been debunked". Just wait.

>>90510147

I was wondering when Famicom would show up to ruin this thread.

It's always just a matter of time.

>>90510147

Eat shit and die, TMSfag.

EVERY FUCKIN THREAD goddamn...

>>90509216
Episode N°?

>>90497538
>but they cropped them to 16:9 so you lose 25% of the image on the top & bottom
they've been doing this bullshit since DVDs came out and it still fucking pisses me off. you would think by now that TVs and or DVD/Bluray players would just come with an option to close in on the image until it fills the screen, instead of movie distributors still fucking with the original film just so it fits a standard aspect ratio.

>TMS Fag is here

Well this thread is done.

>>90510563
I was not ruing the tread, I was saving it from ignorance from people who don't know how Japanese outsourcing works.

>>90510147
>Debunked, it's just that remastering film costs alot of money.

Huh, no, that doesn't negate this point. >>90506336

>TMS fag is here

Please no, can we just discuss animation without this faggot ruining everything?

>>90510786

I have to ask. How many people telling you that you ruin threads will it take for you to realize you're not welcome here? Could you put a hard number on it? Because you really are the most cancerous poster on this site right now. Bread was better.

>>90510786
Newsflash: No one cares.

>>90510872
Kinda surprised he didn't show up sooner, actually. Also surprised at how when Spider-Man '94 was brought up a few weeks ago, he didn't invade the thread with his BS.

>>90510974
Not the TMSfag, but I'm going to hazard a guess and say "no amount". Or he'll dodge the question like he always does.

>>90511091
> You brought up TMS and I need to remind you if you see a issue with the animation it's never TMS' fault, it's from the likes of Magic Bus & Tokyo Kids.
Well it's their fault for outsourcing to them then, isn't it?

>>90510786
Wow, you really are severely mentally retarded. I imagine you as some obese loser who hasn't washed his hair since 2011.

>>90511372
>I do my research
Like that website that lists TMS as the third-worst anime studio

>>90509286
>Muh dik

>>90511586
>no /hm/ and no /cm/ for me
>>>/trash/

>>90511372
The problem isn't the info. For all we know, it might be true. It might not be. That's ultimately irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. We know Japanese studios outsource to other companies, that's how it always has been. And it's not like TMS hasn't contracted their American animation projects elsewhere either.

The problem is that you're parading this shit around like a banner nearly every time we try to get into a serious animation critique. It's because of you we can barely mention ANY animation studio (domestic or foreign) without the sight of "TMS did nothing wrong! It was Magic Bus/Tokyo Kids/[insert other Japanese sub-contracting studio here]!" or bullshit like "Studio Mir sucks because they ruined animation!" Or even talk about animation quality in general.

The fact you never invaded the Spider-Man thread I mentioned was a blessing in my eyes. Because I was dead certain you'd come along and start shifting the blame to the Koreans almost instantly.

>>90511973
holy fuck BAN HIM MODS, FUCKING PERMABAN HIM MODS

>>90511973

TMSfag.

No one listens to you. No one likes you. You're a troll, at this point.

>>90511973
It's not just Mir, you literally have a hate boner for any/all studios that aren't TMS.

And it's not that Rough Draft isn't being told to catch up, both companies run different operations from one another. They're literally night and day, ffs.

Stop responding to his crap because the mods will just delete it anyway.

>>90506240
He's actually tried to profit legitimately on occasion, but it always goes sour. The episode with the prune-powered aging ray comes to mind, and he mentioned that the power company laughed in his face when he pitched using static electricity from cats as a cheap power source.

>>90509339
I think part of the appeal is that it's basically the only episode that indicates Gadget's actually aware that she's attractive.

>>90498725
how do i download this without paying for an account? it tells me "Free transfer quota exceeded"

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>over 200 posts
>no one posted the full theme song yet
Shame. Damn shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDYei1R3Ojk

>>90512398
Because different mythologies and origins.

Mir was formed by animators who worked on the first Avatar series, and brought that style over when they formed the studio.

Rough Draft was established by animators who worked on shows like Garfield and Friends and R&S. In fact, the Korean studio was established because of R&S. Also, Orange is a sub-contract studio, how the fuck do you know their work is good when they're literally fucking piecemeal to the production?

You're comparing apples to oranges, Famicom. Please stop.

>>90504163
this fuggin episode, man. Probably why Dale ended up being my favorite character

>>90509216
I forgot she was the impetus for giving Dale a chance to be a spy. Gadget's pretty bro-tier

>>90512754
Okay three things:

1. If the reason the formed Orange was because animation was "becoming flat and bland". Then why not just leave the industry then? Huh?

2. Orange's CG studio was established by former members of Satelight's staff.

3. Where did you get this bit of information?

>>90512405
>it's basically the only episode that indicates Gadget's actually aware that she's attractive
She keeps getting macked on by Chip and Dale, particularly in the first season. They keep trying to kiss her and grope her. I'm sure she knows. She just wants to have an incestuous threesome but doesn't know how to go about bringing it up.

By the way are Chip and Dale related?

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I want the comics to continue.

Considering that Chip and Dale: Rescue Rangers have cropped 1080p reruns in the South East Asia, not surprised.

(Still waiting for them to rerun DuckTales though.)

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>>90513250
oh boy

>>90513057
they do that to hide the fact that they're gay

>>90513318
The 2Ch members have been verified to have work in the industry.

Also 2Ch (100% text) =/= 2Chan (the one with the pictures).

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>>90513503

>>90513466
> Last frame of the video
kek

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Hey.

Guess what.

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last foxglove. they're really cute together

>>90513108

Yes those and the darkwing comics were pretty decent up until the last handful of issues

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>>90514021

>>90514088
What was bad about the last handful? I haven't read them so I'm not particularly arguing with you.

>>90513466
>>90513593
>>90514021

Thanks, anon!

what about the squirrel who had a crush on chip?

>>90513250
>>90513503

TMS fag.

It is time for you to leave.

>>90514357
Tammy, right?

>>90505855
Just one?

>>90514270

I don't remember too much about the rescue rangers ending but in the case of Darkwing there was a poorly planned crossover with the Ducktales gang along with the artist shutting out of the writer and just making up shit as he went.

>>90514739
>with the artist shutting out of the writer and just making up shit as he went.
How does this even happen? How did the artist get the authority to do that?

>>90513743
I always assumed whoever made this just really liked Brittany Diggers

>>90514739
That crossover was retconned and pretty much declared non-canon when the collection was released, with a different ending.

>>90514791
Writer turns in a script, artist just submits his own pages instead and refuses to change them.

>>90509480
i like the pencil scratches better. disney please dont "super 2x sai" everything

>>90514791

I don't recall the exact scenario but I think >>90515259 was about right

>>90515259
But that's breach of contract. They could probably refuse to pay them and bring a new artist on in their place.

What would possess them to hijack the comic like that?

>>90509480
It still hurts.

>>90515844
The publisher says "We don't see a problem with these changes" and believe that letting the artist have his way is preferable to delaying the comic by who knows how long so the writer's script can be penciled, inked colored, lettered, and so on when they can just do that with the pencils that have already been turned in.

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>>90513108

I couldn't care less about Foxglove or anything else from the comic; I just want more Gadget and Stalker Mouse.

>>90516061
Well, for that reason or another, the comics need to come back.

I wonder what the roadblocks are.

>>90497280
>>90501137
>bluray
nope just itunes and digital

>>90514791
>>90515259
>>90515815
>>90515844
>>90516025

Actually I was wrong it was the writer who was the cause of the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkwing_Duck#Comic_creator_controversy

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I wonder if that Russian Gadget Cult is still going on

>>90516378
If it was 4 real, maybe it does not exist anymore. It's been years.

If it was an elaborate prank, then your answer is even more obvious.

>>90516244
That just raises the question of why even hire a writer if the editor and the artist are just going to ignore him as much as possible to do their own thing.

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>>90516764

>>90516809
>March 15, 2009, 13 people took to the streets of Nizhny Novgorod with torches and a banner with the image of the mouse dressed in blue overalls. It was spring-like chill, still lay in drifts. But the marchers rotten weather is not worried.
Those marching were lit up, and led the move as long as a post, a bearded man and did reminded of Moses carrying the Jewish table. Rounded the Novgorod Kremlin. We stopped at the castle wall. “Thank Gadget for a reason to come, I will tell posterity!” – Solemnly promised to a girl in a striped scarf. “Comrades, we are going to the city at night and have a light, just as it is Gadget Radiant, in Latin – Lyutsiferiya. Give us, Gadget, a bit like you! Touch us your invisible hand of the gold! “- Said in a singsong voice guy in an unbuttoned jacket. “On the torch can heat your nose …” – muttered skeptic, which is not warmed love. Then there were fireworks. Already in the apartment put a candle in a small home-made icons, cut the cake. So followers of the Gadget cult celebrated the religious holiday. Her birthday.

>>90516861
>Gaykoslavie – a young religion, which exists mainly on the Internet. During its formation followed by thousands of users (at least read the group “The Cult Gadget Radiant” in “VKontakte”), but the true believers of all people 40. Regular viewers of the Disney TV series “Chip ‘n Dale” sees only draw a mouse with a shock of orange hair, shifted her spectacles on her forehead ironworks and habits of subscribers of the journal “Young technician”: nuts do not feed them, give me something to make. But gaykoslavy when viewing experience catharsis. I feel the touch, or enlightenment … In general, they stoop so that words can not explain. After this middle-aged and seems very intelligent people are beginning to write about the Gadget with the capital letters (Her bright image, etc.), shouting “Ave Gadget!”, Trying to come up with the mouse on the link. “If life is ideal, there is a meaning to live and look … Gadget, where are you? How do I find you? “- misses Alexander-electronics. Early Gadget adepts allegedly designed the portal to go into another dimension, where the Gadget, and then calculated the coordinates of its appearance in our world. The idea was that the Gadget, as a brilliant designer, sooner or later teleported herself. No waiting.

>all those deleted TMSfag posts and actual genuine discussion going on in spite of his autism

Brings a tear to my eye.

>>90497361
Saw Goof Troop on itunes and decided to pick up the first volume of it. Watching this show for the first time and holy shit! Why didn't anyone tell me how fucking hilarious this is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv5_ARwINi8

>>90517398

Disney Animation Australia was fucking awesome.

I wonder whatever happened to them after Disney pulled the plug on their overseas studios.

>>90517566
Animation was only that good for the first two episodes so far but it's still such a fucking funny show beyond that. Goofy and Pete just work off each other so well.

>>90501705
What series are these 2 from? RR didn't have a 4th season

>>90518012
It'd divided into 4 volumes of 17/16/16/16 episodes because selling a 13 episode season, a 47 episode season, and a 5 episode season is a bit absurd.

>>90518012
Looks like it's from They Shoot Dogs, Don't They, which is the fifth episode of the third season, and also the final aired episode of the show.

Does anyone know how the golden age Nicktoons were mastered? I would love to see a BD release of R&S, Rocko, Rugrats, and Season 1 SpongeBob. I have seen film artifacts on these shows before, so I know film was involved *somewhere* in the production.

>>90518915
How many anons had sex?

>>90518816
35MM film, season 2 of Ren & Stimpy was done the same way as early digital Disney films such as The Rescuers Down Under and Aladdin.

Nick will not do to because remastering film stock cost a shit ton of money.

>>90518960
what does that have to do with anything?

>>90518999
Actual intimate relationship with an actual human being is kind of scary. Especially when she is more aggressive than you (and that is not your fetish).

>>90518962
>Nick will not do to because remastering film stock cost money.

FTFY

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>>90509286
>>90509597
>>90509884

Grew up with no cable and only 2 episodes on 1 VHS tape.
I always thought these screencaps were of a 1 shot character, instead of Gadget in a dress.

>>90516955
No thats a bad thing, Japan needs it's own version of Thad K.

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>>90509413
>Mind Your Cheese and Q's
>S02 30 (43)

>>90520554
Odd, I was just listening to Kid Creole

>>90518816
>>90518962
An HD version of SpongeBob's first season is available on itunes and Amazon Prime. Unfortunately, season 2 is when they started animating the series digitally and they didn't start producing it in HD until season 9.

Ren and Stimpy has a mixture of episodes animated on film and digitally animated.

Another question is whether or not these companies still have the original films for their shows. Disney is actually really good at keeping their shit sorted out so them having the films for their shows isn't surprising. But we don't really know whether Nickelodeon bothered to keep their material or if they threw some of them out when the final episode was mastered on tape. I believe some shows also had effects added to them after being transferred to tape meaning a new HD transfer would have to recreate those.

>>90520872
On the adding effects. Look at this scene from a Ren and Stimpy episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnVW96xvFFg
The video gets wavy when it transitions to Ren's fantasy. That effect may have been added after being transferred to tape.

>>90508586
"The Fat Cat Stomp"

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>>90520872
Wait, so SpongeBob Season 1 was Re-mastered as well!

what about the random bits of digi animation, the bubble transitions and the video speed ups?

can anyone compare please?

>>90509884
>>90509597
The scripters probably thought it would be fun to do an episode with Tex Avery style gags but the animators never saw a Tex Avery cartoon before.

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>>90520984
Ah good ol 60i-fps over 24fps animation, yeah didnt look too bad, but sadly in hindsight, this was the price to pay, not being able to give these shows a proper remaster, heck in the early to mid 2000s, their idea of "remastering" was just bleach out the picture and put filters over it!.

by contrast, how many anime shows had recent HD remasters, the oldest i can think of is Mazinger Z

>missed download link
>see deleted posts about "TMSfag" or something
I really picked a bad time to actually browse the thread, should have downloaded it earlier.

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>>90521482
look at this sexy shit!

i know that for example, Hannah Barbera cartoons from the 70s were given some remastering i guess, but probably not in HD.

>>90516244
BOOM! seems to be a drama magnet.

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Not everything is Honeyflakes, sometimes both sides got screwed over, take per example the atrocious transfers from Viz Media Sailormoon redub.

or heck, even this

http://www.kentaiblog.com/2015/04/upscaled-embarassment-tale-of-two-kite.html

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>>90516244
At least they're continuing the Darkwing comic. /co/ never talks about it, which is a shame because it's terrific.

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Its a damn shame we will never get an HD remaster of Heathcliff and the Catillac Cats alongside Inspector Gadget

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>>90522827

I had a moment of inspiration today, working on an animated short, trying to emulate old 80's cartoons (specifically TinyToons, TMS style), I now realize I've been working in the (slightly) wrong resolution. It needs the 4:3 aspect But I can still draw it at 1080p. This thread opened my eyes a bit more, and further inspired me, And I think I'm on the right path now. Thanks for sharing.

>>90522961
Also I'm going to have to be on the lookout for these. Bluray you said?

>>90504898
HOLY SHIT I REMEMBER THIS EPISODE I HAD IT ON VHS

Call me when Duck Tales or Darkwing Duck get this treatment, would love that.

>>90513466
>>90513593
Came to thread specifically for hd webms. Tonight was good night. Very good night.

>>90497280
Would it be possible to make Ren & Stimpy look this good?

>>90523444
Yes, due to season 2 being shot the same way as The Rescuers Down Under.

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hold a sec, doesn't digital animation means it cannot be rendered on HD? since per example, digi-anime like Digimon, the Dr.Slump remake from the 90s, one piece and such were animated on digital, but were done on SD 480i, meaning that an HD version is just impossible, aside form garbage filtered up-scales but whats the point then?

>>90523567
Alot of shows including seasons 14-17 of The Simpsons were reshot, recolored and sometimes reanimated (in case the original drawings were sold off as is the case from time to time) in HD to be rendered in HD.

Season 13 and the season 14 holdovers of The Simpsons were from 35MM film masters.

>>90522483
>/co/ does not talk about it anymore
It is as if a spell was cast or something. People don't care about a good thing anymore.

>>90523567
Not i, p. Interlaced is just the final product, but no one animates on fields, only frames. Only live action can be captured as interlaced from the beginning. Animation is always done with frames, and maybe interlaced on export. When something was coloured for TV export only, it was SD but progressive.

And both with NTSC and PAL, original 24p can be recovered (as long as it wasn't NTSC>PAL conversion or in reverse).

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The inevitable fate of all Disney animations released on Blu-Ray.

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>>90523567
Speaking of which, what about TV shows like power rangers?

Shame we will never get a true remaster of those? and no, don't ya dare to bring up the 2010 "enchanced" edition.

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>>90523899
DISNEY RESTORATION QUALITY.

>>90523914
Shot on tape, no chance.

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>>90523956
Welp, the american footage was initially shot on film, but then transferred to digi betas, and then the addition of the transitions, wipes, color effects done on video, the occassional speed up, and of course the Sentai footage taken from betamaxes in already downgraded quality.

Trying to bring MMPR to HD would basically be, remaking the damn show from scratch again!, granted the sentais in japan were already restored but the rest is still a task they would not even think about it.

>>90524127
If Toei Japan had film stock of this that will be grand.

It's just that I'm not into sentai very much.

>>90523567
The second volume of the HD CDRR release is in SD size, but in HD quality. Essentially, it's 640x480 but with 1080p clarity. There are benefits to rescanning even the natively small formatted shows.

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Gadget better not awaken anything in me

What do some of you guys mean by timing? What does "animated on 2s" mean?

>>90524222
Firstly, if you rescan a low resolution image at 1080, it will look like pixelated crap. Upscaling is actually a way better option.

Secondly, NTSC SD is never 640x480. It's 720x480, but the pixels are NOT supposed to be square, giving you the end result of 4:3 on a CRT. No one predicted the rise of flat screen progressive monitors anytime soon when analog television was developed. DVDs were designed to display on CRTs first, because that was the standard. When displaying a DVD footage on a modern square pixel screen, the image looks squashed. You need to stretch the pixels vertically a little to make the aspect ration the intended 4:3.

TL;DR stop believing NTSC is 640x480. It's not, it is really 720x480.

>>90524435

a frame every 2 seconds.