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she shoulda stayed mute she shoulda stayed en espanol reciting

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she shoulda stayed mute

she shoulda stayed en espanol

reciting the speech from the western was stupid


logan thread
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>>90465991
I don't agree with you
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saw it today, having a relative who had Alzheimer's. Patrick Stewart Really delivered on that role and hit fucking home.....
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So baisclly the more DC and less marvel xmen movies are the better it is
Also the no colorful costume policy actually does work
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Could someone give me a quick rundown of the first fifteen minutes or so? I was a bit late getting over to the theater.
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>>90465991
Robert?
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>>90466946
Logan works as a driver for hire. He kills some cholos trying to steal his wheels (literally the wheel) and gets stalked by Laura's nurse. Also Xavier introduction hinting that Logan and he killed the X-Men
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I hope they wait at least 5 years before they try to make a solo movie for her.
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it wasn't me
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>>90467005
how old was she during filming? 10? 11? who knows how the actress will grow up, but if anyone's gonna be teenage/adult laura, it should be her
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There was way too many little kids for an R movie when I watched it
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>>90466946
Logans life sucks but at leadt he still hets to see titties every once in a while.
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Laura was cute!!!!!
C U T E ! ! ! !
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>>90467124
They'd be scarred or sleepy that's for sure.
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>>90465991
Go fuck yourself OP maybe you will dislodge that stick.
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>>90467184
I noticed that the girl next to me covered her eyes during the fight scene at the farm
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>>90467167
not for sexual
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>>90467116
Her file said 132 months so 11.
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>>90465991
>not liking westerns

you have to be 18 to post here
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>>90467210
Some anon in the premiere threads mentioned finding a kid crying during all the fighting while his father consoled him saying "It's alright, it's alright."
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>>90467124
and someone decided to bring their baby so it was crying off and on during the entire movie
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>>90467167
qt 3.14
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>>90467214
Cuteness ainĀ“t equal for lewd.
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>>90467238
there's liking westerns and then there's having a kid actor trying and failing to deliver the same lines with any sort of dramatic intent

laura shoulda just made the x in silence and fucking walked off
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>>90467240
fooken hell that's worse than a kid. I think I've only had like three of those in my lifetime of cinema experiences.
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>>90466984
it never once hints that Logan did anything to the X-men.

it gives multiple hints that Charles had a major seizure possibly while hooked up to Cerebro, this plus whatever shit the Doc hints at doing to fuck the Mutant population, was the cause.

the movie has alot of vagueness, though.also its weird they gave a set year, since in X-men 1 its just " the near future"


this is so they could make ones set in the actual past without people pointing out age descripencies, however it still fucks it all up.

for one, Charles would be 90+ in this movie since we know he was 20+ in the 50's.

another big one is fucking Magneto, who if we guesstimate, was somehow fucking 120 by the time of just after X-men 3, seeing as he was 12 years old in fucking WW2.

also if Scott and Jean are late teens in the 80's they'd be 50+ years old by X-men 3 ish.
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>>90467245
Favorite scene was her riding the pony with a 1000 yard stare, then when it stopped she wanted to murder it
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>>90467245
x-23 in a normal setting would've been one of those girls who likes horses WAY too much
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>>90467337
There's only one hint which was "What did you do?". Alternately "Why won't you tell me what happened?" which early on some viewers are led to believe that Logan may have had something to do, which was debunked right after Vegas.
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>>90467309
I disagree

I enjoyed it and thought she delivered the lines with conviction while not talking like an adult would

I thought her making the cross an x was a little on the nose, though I did like it
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>>90467337

they further fuck this up in X-men Apocalypse by having Macklemore still play Charles, looking less than fucking 30 while Cyclops and Jean are 18ish.

we are supposed to believe he'll look exactly like fucking Patrick Stewert in just TEN YEARS FROM THAT MOVIE? same with fucking Magneto? really? he's going to go from 25 looking to GANDALF?
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>>90467416
I think it makes a lot of sense since she had the comics as her main reference material.
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>>90467356
>Laura playing with little unicorn pony toys
>"Aww, that's so cute." says her caretakers
>She's actually enacting them as rhino-warriors stabbing their enemies and what-not.
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>>90466891
And yet it still did better than most DC movies. Really makes ya think
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>>90467116
Let's hope Scarjo plays the part instead
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>>90467337
>Charles would be 90+ in this movie
He specifically says that he's a nonagenarian, meaning he is more than 90 years old. They fucking spelt it out.
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>>90465991
Anyone else notice the pro spic Mexican propaganda vibe?
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>>90467501
except no one looks like that at 90+.

no one.
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>>90467514
X-men has always had underlying nods to actual oppressed groups.

its the very concept they were based on.
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>>90467527
Yeah, the makeup guys did what they could, but that's kinda beside the point. It's not "fridge logic" or some shit that Xavier is over 90 in the movie, you don't have to calculate it, and it doesn't really conflict with anything else. They tell you to your face that he is more than 90 years old.
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>>90467553
Is this confirmed?
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>>90467514
It's the X-Men. They've been a hamfisted allegory for minorities for half a goddamn century.
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>>90467501
His exact words were, "I'm fucking 90".
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>>90467581
sure, in this movie it doesn't, however, in Apocalypse, his young appearence/age fucks everything up, Scott and Jean shouldn't look just 10 years younger than him.
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>>90467583
Are you 12? Yes, dipshit.
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>>90467449
oh it totally makes sense

it just was a bit too much for me, personally is all. I still liked it, it just for some reason took me out of the moment a little bit

different strokes and all that
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>>90467583
Yes
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I'm fucking blind. For a second I thought X 24 was Sabertooth when in fact Jackman played both him and wolverine.
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>>90467583
holy fuck, I actually am surprised someone can be this new
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>>90467665
Is it the same actor?
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>>90467691
yes.
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>>90467691
yes credits confirmed Huge Jack Man played both parts
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>>90467704
Then yeah, that's their fault. Even though it was probably a different timeline we had sabertooth bitching about how he wanted the Snikt treatment and the general said he wasn't ready a few movies back
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>>90467665

that would've actually made the movie great. surprise sabretooth
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>>90467665
I did too, I'm glad I'm not alone
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>>90467665
Me too. I thought the haircut was Sabertooth.
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Anyone else went "oh nigga you fucked up" when charles accepted that family's invitation? on the other hand, he just wanted a comfy family time after who knows how many years.
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>>90467583
No only sjws thinks that way
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>>90467705
> jack claims he is through playing Wolverine
> now we comes back as sabertooth
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>>90467840
weirdly, the movie states that the bad thing charles did that killed mutants happend just 1 year ago.
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>>90467873
Meant to say days, my bad.
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>>90467840
Not so much, you figured where it was heading but it lead to us figuring out about corn Corp and how they control the food supply which is later a possible hint and to what was used to poison the xmen. I enjoyed the dad's dying moments. I don't think he pulled the trigger cause he thought logan was a monster but Because logan brought this on his family
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>>90467840
the second charles was like "help get the horses" i was thinking oh fuck they're all gonna die

that invitation to dinner was just the nail in the coffin

the subplot about corn was kinda weird, but i guess it fleshed out the kind of world this was taking part in.

in a worse movie, the final battle would've taken place on top one of the giant corn harvesters
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>>90467450
Nah she'd just want to suck the BHC.
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>>90467840
I immediately realized that something horrible would happen but i still wished it didnt.
> I don't think he pulled the trigger cause he thought logan was a monster but Because logan brought this on his family
same
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>>90467625
It felt that those McAvoy were like a different universe because Xavier talks about something that happened at the statue of Liberty years ago and that was X-men 1, which in the McAvoy movies was debunked as never happened.
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>>90465991
That fucking piano banging during the car chase scene was offputting as fuck, still a 10/10 movie, or at least very close.
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>>90468051
when they're at logan's compound and escape on the other side of the choo choo?

i don't recall a piano playing
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>>90468083
I think anon was having a stroke
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>>90468083
not the same person, but I went to a Dolby surround sound theater and it sorta stuck out to me during that scene as well

But I want to chalk that up to the weird sound setting I watched it in and the mixing itself not being specifically for a theater like I was in
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>>90467309
It's more dramatic when you think of the intent behind it; She had never seen a funeral until she saw the western. When people died at the lab, they just vanished. That moment was meant to be the prayer or sermon for the funeral, because she knows literally nothing else about them. Pretty fucking on point.
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>>90467959
>the subplot about corn was kinda weird
The one part of the movie I zoned out on, didn't it tie-in with how the government was putting chemicals in the food and water to suppress/destroy the x-gene?
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>>90468169

it was part of this weird anti-corporation late capitalism critique that kept popping up at the movie's edges
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there were a LOT of scenes of logan waking up

like enough that it became conspicuous

guy fucking falls asleep and wakes up in eden what feels like five times
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>>90468123
Maybe that was it, there was something really off and sharp about the music in the background of the scene. Was thinking they were trying to do something avant garde and chaotic, but could have just been bad audio settings.
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>>90468169
It tied in but was never explicitly given as the reason. The bad doctor said food was the easiest method of spreading the virus for global eradication of muties
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>>90468169
>>90468221
Also a call out to Old Man Logan, where Wolvie and his family are Sacramento dirt farmers.
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>>90467124
Aren't the people selling tickets supposed to say "by the way, this is an R-rated film" when they see kids there with their parents?
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>>90468299
Naw. Saw some guy use Dad logic on sausage party with it being cgi when asking his kid what he wanted to see and the clerk didn't say shit. I just smiled
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>>90468229
Because he's been living like he still has his healing factor at max-strength. Not only is he dying and going blind from adamantium poisoning, he's still going by his non-existent sleeping habits when he can't afford to.
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>>90465991
>Figured the scene at the end would be Logan going completely fucking Berserk and killing everyone without issue before the drug killed him
>That only lasted like half a minute before he became a stumbling, pitiful mess who could barely walk, let alone fight, but still did everything he could to save the kids
Fuck mang, that whole ending was a massive feels trip
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>>90467214
I will never be able to think of Laura in a sexual way after this movie.
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> Fat kid with the doll
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>>90467240
Why do people do that? Seriously, get a fucking sitter or stay home.
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Only watched one trailer. Didn't expect Xavier's situation to be so fucked up and sad. Kudos to Patrick Stewart . Gonna miss that duo.
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>>90468441
Did you not see her riding that horse?!
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>>90467245
Of course there's fanart already, why did I think otherwise.

It's pretty good, though, I like it.
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>laura will never make logan give her horsey rides, getting him to run faster with foot claws to the stomach
>logan will never make laura a traditional canadian breakfast of pancakes and beer
>laura, logan, and grandpa chuck will never go on another road trip again
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Was I supposed to remember who Caliphan was? Was he in X2 or X3?
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>>90468548
She killed that Fisherman and his dog you know
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>>90467840
>this is the most perfect night...
Right then I knew he was as good as dead.
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>>90467436
>we are supposed to believe he'll look exactly like fucking Patrick Stewert in just TEN YEARS FROM THAT MOVIE?

To be fair Patrick Stewart pretty much has looked the same since the mid 80's.
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>>90468492
what you mean anon? I can't remember such a scene
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So since the end game of the kids was to flee into Canada would it make sense for Laura to show up in future Deadpool movies, given that the teaser was heavily marketing Logan as well?
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>>90467840
I knew something bad was gonna happen but I thought it'd just be the mercenaries tearing up that families farm to draw Logan out. Maybe the Dad taking a bullet in the crossfire.

Didn't expect the kid to get cut up, Jesus.
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>>90468721
Depends on the timeline.
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>>90468441
little girls grow up
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>>90467240
>bringing your baby to the cinema
This I'll never understand.

They can't comprehend the screen and are easily scared by loud noises.

Surely if you're young parents, you're going to the cinema to get a break from your kid.
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>>90468169
G A Y F R O G S
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>>90468739
Well aren't we getting Cable in Deadpool?
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>>90468745
And getting dicked by Warren Worthington III
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The film is great and enjoyable to watch, the only thing dislike abit is how they changed Sarah's character
(Spoiler): she's 'no longer Laura's birh mother and play an important role of teaching her love but the same time allowed her to be used as a weapon.
In the film, the Sarah character is change to just change to some good heated Mexican nurse that has a change of heart and took her away
This made Lura and her mother 's character and their relationship less tragic and complex
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>>90467583
Are you serious right now?

Xavier is based on the MLK school of thought while Magneto is based on the Malcom X variety of "by any means necessary" protest.

Please be joking, Anon.
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>>90468726
Oh boy, a kid also commited suicide. Won't see that shit in a while.
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>>90468805
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>>90468964
>mooching off his future self
I hate past Warren
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>>90468492
It was just a little girl on a horsey ride. There's nothing wrong with that.
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>>90469033
I hate Warren. All Warrens.
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>>90468025
Both Logan and Xavier remember both timelines
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The fat black kid ran too fast.
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>>90468792
Cable is a time traveler
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>>90468964
what happened to the corner of the room?
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>>90468964
Dose Laura has a type that she likes ?
Warren and Heelion seems to be vary different types of guys.
And speaking of heelion, why did Laura
broken up with him ? Did they explain it at all ?
I like most of the part of liu's run, but the way she did with how their relationship ended is so rush. She still has strong feeling for him in the first arc, and than suddenly she doesn't like him anymore just a few issues later.
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>>90469377
nah she's just a slut
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>>90469196
too fast for what? You realize that was actually him running right? Not like they played some movie magic trick to make someone appear faster than they are, they just filmed him running.
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>>90469377
They found her in a crack den being whored out by her pimp anon. I think she'll take anyone at this point
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>>90465991
The older kid at the end of the movie, he picked up a truck and threw in on X-24, could that possibly be Julian Keller?
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>>90469453
What,did Zebra daddy also had sleep with Laura during her time with him ?
I know she sleeps with her clients, but zebra daddy is her pimp, pimp don't sleep with their girls right ?
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>>90469377
Warren and Julian are both rich as fuck.
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>>90469589
He would have to break her in
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>>90467665
Same. I kind of wish it had been.
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>>90468837
Again is that confirmed by the creators?
Show links
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>mfw she popped the foot claw
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>>90469668
You're an idiot
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>>90469529
his name's rictor, as in richter scale

he was an earthbender
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>>90469529
Nah, he was supposed to be Rictor from X-Factor.
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>>90469668
anon, please stop. You're embarrassing me through you
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>>90468574
Caliban. He was in X-Men: Apocalypse, but it was a different actor and they played him pretty differently.
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>>90469767
yeah in Logan he was played by fucking Stephen Merchant of all people
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>>90469798
seeing as how caliban was a bald white man and knowing xavier was a bald white man, in the first scenes i thought logan had amassed a collection of bald white men

like it was his thing
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>>90469589
I almost forget the pages but wasn't she a special whore for special clients that liked it rough ?
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reciting the speech from the movie wasn't dumb, but it felt unearned
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>>90467920
>I don't think he pulled the trigger cause he thought logan was a monster but Because logan brought this on his family

I thought that was rather obvious. He wasn't shooting in the heat of the moment, there was a long pause before he pulled the trigger
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>>90469824
kek, he would've probably shaved Laura to try and fit her in.
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>>90469864
I know but it went against the usual grain of someone takes in Mutie freaks and then when it's revealed they're Muties, the kind hearted person goes postal
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>tfw laura got harpooned

How did they get away with harpooning a kid
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>>90469589
Be a pimp and the come across a teenage runaway girl who is; quiet, young and fit, and listens to orders very well. Take her to a motel or your slum house and then fuck her for a week straight just to teach her how to please a Man, then give her missions to please clients, then profit.
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>>90470026
R rating
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>>90470026
Harpoon and suicide got me
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>>90469846
You think you could handle her?
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>>90469377
She's an autistic murderbeast who's dead inside, so she generally just goes for any guy who'll put up with all of that shit and still treat her like a human being.
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>>90468594
>It wasn't me, it wasn't me

for some reason that turned up the tears for me
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which kid committed suicide?
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>>90467124
>bunch of kids in the theater
>mfw those tits flopped out

other than that though, I wonder how hard the movie impacted them. I heard at least one of them crying by the end of it
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>>90470054
Hell fuck no
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>>90470067
It looked like the telekinetic one who threw all the training dummies aside and flipped out on the handlers?
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>>90470083
how did he do it? i'm really drawing a blank on that happening
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>>90470094
He got chased to the roof after an escape attempt and willingly threw himself off of it.
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> None of this would have happened if Logan left good enough alone since it was thanks to Laura that the bad guys found out about the border meetup
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>>90470103
oh wow that part

for some reason i assumed he did it intending to escape, like he was able to float down telekinetically
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>>90470117
>None of this would have happened if Logan had just killed Pierce instead of sending Caliban out into the desert to dump him alone for no apparent reason other than to give the bad guys the ability to track them across the country via Caliban's power.
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>>90470081
pussy
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>>90470141

>for no apparent reason

It was shown pretty clearly that Logan didn't want to kill any more.
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>>90470146
> murder machine with a regenerating hymen and suicide habits

Don't stick your dick in X23
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>>90468591
No, she just stole the car. The dude and his dog were leaving the car and she took it. No reason to kill them.
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So who was Rictor talking to on the radio, the ones that granted the kids asylum?
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>>90470172
Would have been a little more effective if he hadn't sliced those cholos into churros at the beginning
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>>90470204
Not important. The story itself was very contained, so they were probably just some vague good samaritan running a mutant sanctuary
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>>90470219
Yeah but the fact that it's a sanctuary where a ton of mutants are after establishes there's really no mutants left seems kind of important
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>>90470127
He looks directly at his pursuers and then throws himself off. You hear him screaming and the SPLAT.
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>>90470190
The lake was RIGHT THERE. She murdered them
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>>90470235
I don't think it was ever the fact that mutants were gone. Charles killed off the X-men and the school, and none had been born in 25 thanks to the evil corn, but there were clearly other older mutants just living around.
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>>90467436
>>90467337
Magneto slows down his blood cells (iron, remember?) and extends his lifespan. It also makes him wrinkly.
Xavier is both a mindlich drinking mind essence of lesser creatures (humans) and makes everyone see him as younger than he really is.
Cyke and Jean had a plastic surgery or two.
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>>90470179
>regenerating hymen
I wonder if that's actually true.
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>>90467210
Hope she covered her ears for the F bombs too.
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>>90469765
seriously we need some qoutes
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>>90470294
How's it not if her powers were brought about at a younger age than puberty
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>>90470294
Well, if Logan can regrow an arm or an eye, there's no reason Laura can't regrow a hymen.
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>>90469668
It's... It's never been a secret anon...

>>90468837
Magneto was always kind of my favorite super villain. But from fairly early on if you called him out on what he was doing and ask what possible motivation he could have he just has to roll his arm, point at the number tattooed on his arm, and say "Never again."

That's a hell of a lot deeper and more realistic then the vast majority or evil capes.
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>>90468051
I don't remember what scene it was but there was one action scene with really weird random possibly bango-like music.

I was like wtf
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>>90468377

I was hoping the entire final fight was just going to be Him drugged up going berserk on the entire ravager army himself while the kids escape.
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>black kid had electric powers
That shit made me laugh
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I want to HUG_ her
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>>90470374
>11 year old and likes the horsey ride
Really?
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>>90470347
I didn't like the kids scene where they are gathered around Pierce being all creepy when it's just the Pinecone girl doing all the work. Fatty zaps his a few times and Icey barely did anything but maybe cooled him down a bit
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>>90470393
>literally had no childhood outside Mexican nurses
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>>90467583
>>90469668

Here's your link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=molRbWC6WRY

>>90467665

Glad, I'm not the only one.
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>>90470408

Yeah that was creepy and kinda weird id prefer the kids not being there at all for the fight besides Laura.
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>>90470408
>>90470453

I mean they're technically all child soldiers.
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>>90470454
I'm kinda sad she didn't get the cowgirl hat
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>>90470473
Yeah but like I said, Pinecone girl was doing most the work and everyone was just being creepy and watching him die
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>>90470422
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>>90470479
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>>90469668
All mutants represent Jews. Almost overtly.
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>>90470479
more hat
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Laura is cute and pure
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>>90470541
do most pure girls have a kill count in the double digits?
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>>90470523
>>90470539
Es un Stetson, ahora llevo un Stetson, Stetsons molan
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>>90470541
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Was one of Logan's arms bigger than the other?
Was that explained at all or what
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>>90470172
That's practically a trope. "I don't want to kill because otherwise we can't have a plot."
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>>90470539
Mmmm hookers boots
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>>90470523
>>90470539
That should be part of her attire.

Jubilee hugs it when Laura isn't not wearing it. Cause it smells like family.
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>>90470314
It also explains why so many Jews IRL want to kill all white people. That paranoia mixed with the sense of superiority (God's chosen). Magneto is quite a character indeed.
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>>90470583
it's like you've never killed more than one person and you don't get sometimes it gets to you. because it somehow it doesn't always filters as okay and part of the job. not all deaths are easy and not all of them are hard. that feels like more of your fault than the movie.
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>>90470564
delet
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>>90470523
sexy cowgirl Laura should be on the drawthreads
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>>90470493
They went bananas at anything that mildly annoyed them, of course they'd alll gather around the guy and watch him die
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>>90470633
And yet this was the time to say "Not today?" All previous judgment and experience out the window?
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>>90470661

>Still a vampire

Can they just give her her powers back already please?
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>>90470715
Other than being a Vampire she's still Jubilee which is a blessing because it could have always been worse.
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was laura a good character in evolution?
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>>90470032
How do you think laura met and stay with zebra daddy ? What was the story of her time with him like before she met her friends in NYX ?
I am really interesting in the story, Laura never talked much of her time with him
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>>90470752
you will prolly have to go to fanfic sites
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>Logan thread
>It's actually a Laura thread
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>>90470787
She's the new Wolverine with boobies
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>>90470207
They didn't give him a choice.
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>>90470806
boobies not currently included
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The thing that really got to me about this movie was that this is actually the GOOD future for the mutants. Worst case scenario is that they're wiped out by hyper-efficient mutant hunting robots, best case scenario is that they're wiped out by high fructose corn syrup. It's like in this narrative, Xavier and Magneto were both wrong from the start: mutants are neither the next step in human evolution, nor baseline humans' destined replacement- they're just a momentary blip on the radar, a minor bump in the evolutionary road, and will only be around for century or so. It's just a question of how violently they're wiped out. Even if you view Logan's ending as cautiously optimistic, the implications are pretty dark.

Cassandra Nova was right.
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>>90470821
What movie were you watching?
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>>90470840
dude, really?

laura was flat as fuck, due to being a child
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So is Logan the X-Men Apocalypse future? It's not Sentinels that kills the X-men and muties, but Xavier and poisoned corn?
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>>90470806
>she's an imitation who will never be accepted
fixed
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>>90465991
the guy making it obsessed with western instead of the inspiration for it

without establishing subtitles it would have been dumb to keep her in spanish

she should have stay'd mute
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>>90467339
quit sexualizing her til she comes back to America
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>>90470912
> start talking shit to my friends the moment she starts mouthing off in the truck
> White Boi behind me leans in and I think he's gonna tell me to shut the fuck up, instead asks me what she's on about
> make up shit on the spot
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>>90470294

If she can pierce her ears without bleeding nonstop, then getting plugged alot would probably get rid rid of her hymen permanently.

We need some regenerating clones to experiment on, because science.
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>>90470960
First part doesn't make sense senpai. The ears heal around the earring and the blood stops. Once you pull out, the hymen would likely start it's full healing process too
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Since Rictor was in Logan, are we going to get an X-Factor movie?
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>>90470294
>regenerating hymen

In all new X-men she woke up with short hair then grew to her normal length in a few pages, this implies that her healing factor may be tied in with her self image. meaning that now as a sexually active young adult she may not see herself as having a hymen and so she doesn't.
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>>90470980
I just want more Emma
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>>90471034
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>>90471053
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>>90471053

Laura ending up with Angel instead of cyclops was stupid as shit.
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>>90471062
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>>90471069
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>>90471069
Dawww
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>>90471067

Cyclops will never finally fuck Wolverine like hes always wanted.

Logan will never be uncomfortable and angry about it happening.

We will never have Laura and Cyclops offspring with eyes that blades shoot out off or laser claws.
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>>90471085
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>>90471093
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>>90471105
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look, as much as everyone on here hates mexico and her speaking mexican, at least the film has a logic (lab was in mexico, nurse and guards were mexican) and thus she probably grew up with it being her 1st language.
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>>90471131
I thought the lab was in new Mexico and she was an anchor baby
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>>90471114
man those strips are a weird trailer for Moonlight
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>mfw there was a baby in the theater that would not shut up and whose parent refused to take out
>mfw it cried every time Laura and Logan had a moment
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So how long until her inevitable solo film? Will they recast her with someone who can actually speak english?
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I just thought it would be better if they actually used those mutant kids for covert mission like with Laura in her origin comics instead of locking them up in hospital.

Makes more sense how she was able to take down and kill mercs with robot limbs since she had legit assassins training skills.
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>>90471256
> excuse me miss? I think you dropped something.

Then when we looks down just grab her kid and toss it across the theatre.

> I think it slid over there


Problem solved
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>>90468246
Wasn't a virus, it was gene therapy.
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>>90470564
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>>90471114
This kind of caring, smart, but unsure cyclops is the character that seems so charming. How has the whole past kids in the future arc wrap up anyway?
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>>90465991
Logan
wasn't that good and I don't know why it's getting so much praise
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>>90468840
>tfw people in the audience laughed at that
The same 3-4 fuckers laughing at every bad thing that happened, especially if it happened to Caliban
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>>90471599
it hasn't wrapped up
but they're kinda doing a thing where the kids make the same mistakes as their older selves but through different means. Angel got a power boost from the Black Vortex rather than becoming a horseman. Beast aggravated his mutation using black magic rather than science. Jean has been implicated that she'll have a villainous turn not because of Dark Phenoix, but going through extreme lengths to avoid becoming Phoenix host and getting martyred
Scott feels a similar betrayal regarding Emma as what his older self felt towards Xavier, and has already expressed how good it feels to just shoot his optics full blast without stressing about collateral or holding back
and I guess you can draw some kind of parallel between Bobby fucking some Inhuman while mutants are at war with them, and his older self;s poor choice of female sexual partners? who eve cares, it's fucking Bobby.
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>>90470775
i try, but there are nothing, that why i came here to see if /co/ can give me some answer
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>>90467665
Not having sabretooth involved somwhere was a fucking crime
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>>90467920
>Not so much, you figured where it was heading but it lead to us figuring out about corn Corp and how they control the food supply which is later a possible hint and to what was used to poison the xmen.

!Sinister outright says it was secret food additives that killed the wild X-gene

>I enjoyed the dad's dying moments. I don't think he pulled the trigger cause he thought logan was a monster but Because logan brought this on his family

You say that like there's any sort of functional difference.
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>>90468721
Alpha Flight when?
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>>90472064
The functional difference is the theme is usually " OMG, you're one of the monsters too!"

Instead we get
" fuck you fucker for doing this to my family" he didn't kill 24 Because he saw kindness in Logan and wanted to save him
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>>90470752
Most writers like to pretend it didn't happen.
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>>90470204
If we're very lucky, department H
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>>90467553
Doesn't Stan Lee repeatedly say that he didn't base them on minority groups, he just wanted some more cool super heroes?
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>>90470393
What's wrong with that? My lil sis saw a thing like that for the first time at like 12. Now she's a vet and works with horses professionally.
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She had a lot of personality when she didn't speak; I really liked that.
I did miss the Spanish dialogue because the movie I watched was dubbed in Spanish.
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>>90467124
>Went to see it at 22:00 of a Sunday night
>Only a few scattered adults
>Can watch my film in peace without some toddler and their retarded parents
>Feels good man
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>>90467665
I actually thought they had brought Daken in somehow.
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>>90470064
During the whole sequence in the house I was hoping they'd realize that wasn't Logan, that the guy they had welcomed hadn't turned out to be a psychopath.
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>>90467514
>Casual doesn't understand the X-Men franchise.
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>>90473301
Well the father knew at the end the killer wasnt logan, but he still wanted to kill Logan for bringing all of that on his now dead family.
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>>90467239
Why bring a child to an R rated movie if there not sure there up for the fight scenes? how are kids today still this innocent seriously.
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>>90468344
I wanna see the father and the kids face at the orgy part so much now, he musta stormed out.
When will "normies" understand that cgi isnt all kiddie?
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Is the movie based on comic or is it original material referenced to many arc (eg. Nolan's Trilogy)?
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>>90473825
Original with slight reference to the comic.

Better than the comic too
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>>90468492
I felt weird during that scene. I dare not try to understand what exactly the feeling was and just hope I forget about soon.
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>>90474084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdD64xa_oYs
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I really need a pic of Stewart sticking his tongue out at Logan.
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>>90474160
>
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>>90473222
I saw Logan at a 7 PM showing and as soon as it ended, the next showing was prepping, so there was people waiting outside the theater. There was this one lady with a blanket I noticed and noticed her move the blanket a bit and saw her pet a fucking Chihuahua.
This lady brought a fucking dog into a late night showing.
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>>90474764
Chihuahuas are little fuckers. I'm sure it enjoyed all the violence.
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>>90472220
>he didn't base them on minority groups
not on a specific one but Genosha/sentinels =jews/nazis, legacy virus= aids/fags, sure there's a few more
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>>90470078
>>mfw those tits flopped out

What? I don't remember tits in this movie.
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>>90467514
To be fair, it also was anti globalist, though somehow most americans seem to miss it
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>>90475030
The bride, or one of the bridesmaids, in the beginning when he's driving people around.
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>>90468025
Not only do both remember both timelines, but the motel has the statue of liberty as its symbol; x talks about the motel, wolverine thinks he is still in crazy mode and talking about xmen 1
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>>90474867
kek, prolly was cheering for X-24
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>>90470032
Talking from actual bdsm exeprience, i think she actually literally jsut cut her clients, there is no fucking needed
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>>90465991
Is this the new Chloe Grace Moretz?
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>>90470806
now we just need to add sexy goth part when she gets old enough
and put her in a 2000's style movie where kung fu (or in her case caopeira) and leather clothes were cool
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>>90467337
Yeah that always fucked with me. I always tended to go with this, even if it's not exactly correct;
1936: Charles, Erik, and Raven are born
1944: the trio is 8
1962: the trio is 26
1973: the trio is 37
1983: the trio is 47
2000: the trio is 64
2003: 67
2029: 93
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>>90465991
I dunno when she said Daddy I burst into tears for the first time in the theatre since probably The Grey in 2011.
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>>90472064
>!Sinister outright says it was secret food additives that killed the wild X-gene
It's Zander, a heavily changed character from Laura's backstory
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>>90466946
There was a fucking awesome fight with Logan taking in a bunch of dirty criminal spics.
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>>90467665
This, surprise Sabertooth would have made the movie a lot better. Just one 'Runt' and I'd have gone nuts.
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>>90475500
>hear sniffling in the row behind me
>female voice whispers
>"are you crying?"
>male voice
>"n-no"
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>>90467005
She will be past her prime by then
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>>90467840
It was tense as fuck. I expected the soldiers to get them but the movie said ''Nah'' and had clone Wolverine murder the fuck out of them instead.
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>>90467436
This is just a 1-off movie that's not in continuity with the post-DOFP X-Men. Don't give too much thought to it.
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>>90476411
I don't know why this keeps getting repeated when the director has specifically said it takes place in continuity after DoFP
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>>90476411
>>90476499
>implying continuity matters that much with these films

Just take each film as it's own thing that follows on from the films that it needs to and ignores the ones it clashes with

it's fiction, no one can stop you doing this
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Are there any decent comic moments of Sniktbub being a good clone-dad to Laura?
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So did Xavier killed all X-Men?
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>>90477952
Its implied, but never given a straight answer
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>It wasn't me, it wasn't me.
It would be better without X23 tbqh only Xavier and Logan
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>>90477952
>>90478011
It's implied in the radio that he killed 7 X-Men.

After the hotel incident, the news announcer says that it resembles the Westchester event where a lot of people were hurt and 7...

At the 7, Logan turns the radio off.
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>>90478066
Nah, it would've been better if the Villains were Kimura and Daken
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>>90478477
Kimura's trash. Daken's a whiny bitch but would've been interesting as X-24 instead of a Logan clone.
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>>90465991
I tired up at the speech part. Considering that Logan didn't say much when he buried Charles, I understood that it's the only pretty speech she knows.
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Just got back, two things.

Laura changing the cross to an X was the cheesiest fucking thing ever.

It made me cry so much.

God damn the old Marvel logo was better than the new one.
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>>90478140
To me it sounded like 70. I could be wrong though but I'm fairly positive the X-Men and school were wiped out.
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>>90479209
I don't think so but we don't have much indication one way or the other.

Even if it was only 7, I doubt the school would still be a thing or that they'd still be X-Men.
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>>90479249

That was the way i took it was after his first seizure Charles shut down the school and went into isolation and became worse and worse
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>>90467583
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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>>90471093
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN:"THERE ARE MINDS YOU CAN READ?" FUCK YOU, KITTY
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>>90470527

More like black people actually.
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>>90472220
did we not get a stan cameo in this movie?

if so, thank god
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>>90480776
There was really no place for him.
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>>90480804
casino
but i'm glad he wasn't in the movie to ruin it
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>>90472220
Nobody's talking about the Silver Age X-Men, anon.
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>>90467239
How do you even look at any of the posters and think "this is something I should bring my kid to see"?
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>>90469115

Warren had a hard life
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>>90478477

>deathstrike and sabertooth

fixed
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>>90475960

In my theater everyone was giggling at Dafne's snot.
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>>90467454
>did better than most DC movies

Only one it did better than was Green Lantern.
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>>90482555
Then everybody at your theater can go fuck themselves. That was the most genuine crying scene I've seen in a movie in years. When kids cry, and hell, even adults, snot falls down their nose. We're so used to the "red eyes" or just "dignified tear slowly dripping through cheek" that real crying is seen as dumb. Fuck that. Dafne crying for real is one fine bit of acting.
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>>90482682

>Then everybody at your theater can go fuck themselves.

Fucking tell me about it, it was 23:30 on opening night and the theater was filled with trendy 20 year olds, the obnoxious little cunts.
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>>90482737
In my theater there was a family of Chinese. It was pretty weird because I like in a town in the middle of nowhere; we don't see many Chinese around here.
We all stayed for the stinger because I heard there was something about Deadpool, but it turns out they only aired it on Canada and USA.
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>>90475500
>>90482682
You're a fucking faggot dude
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>>90482682
>>90482737

>$0.50 has been deposited into your bank account - 20th Century FOX
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>>90482956
>Liking a movie means you're a shill
>Enjoying drama makes you a shill

Any more quips for me?
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>>90477944
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Reminder that Laura's friend the lizard boy was credited as LIZARD BOY
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>>90477944
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>>90483143

I just realized this scene references Sarah's death.

You're a child, not a weapon. You're my child.
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>>90482995
>Liking a bad movie makes you not a shill
>Liking bad drama makes you not a shill

But I guess not liking Logan makes me a Marve fanboy
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I wish they had explored more the side of Logan that disliked killing. He was clearly tired of fighting, but I would have liked seeing that more in-depth.
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Does anyone know how Xavier stopped the first attack that killed the X-Men? I'm surprised Logan didn't try to kill him out of desperation being unprepared and possibly without a serum to calm Charles down.
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>>90465991
Friendly reminder that regardless of all of that movie Laura is infinitely better executed than comics Laura and actually justifies her existence.
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>>90483143
>>90483284
to be fair, he also used her and threw her away like a garbage after he was done with her.

...they had a complicated relationship.
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>>90483350
>But I guess not liking Logan makes me a Marve fanboy
No, it makes you a D*sney shill. You certainly don't like Marvel.
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>>90483406
You can't seize forever. It probably just ended naturally but by that point anyone named Wolverine was kill.
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>>90483445
*not named
*killed
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>>90483350
There're these things called opinions, anon. I'm sorry if you believe people can only think through and for money.
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>yfw Laura called Logan daddy
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>>90483506
Felt out of place. Something like father or Padre. Something that sounds like acknowledgement instead of endearment.
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>>90483506
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>>90466797
sorry to heart that anon...
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>>90483629
hear*
whoops
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>>90483425
He also fucked things up for her and then left her to deal with his fuckups
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>>90465991
That part where Charles is having another seizure and Logan and Laura were just wrecking those Reavers. The eyes moving was the icing on the cake.

My only gripe really is that I wished Caliban was in it more. He didn't even get a chance to see Logan and Charles again after sacrificing himself.
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>>90483143
God, I'm so glad they didn't give her the trigger scent in the movie. It's always so retarded in the comic
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>>90470078
HowIKnowYou'reAnAmeritard.jpg

>Intense gore and borderline traumatic FEELS
>Tits are flashed for a second

I BET KIDS SURELY WERE SHOCKED AT THE DARING DISPLAY OF BOOBS, AMYRITE?
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>>90465991
Logan's Laurie > Comic! Laurie.

You can convey a tragic past without throwing in all the preteen prostitute bullshit.
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>>90483940
>other than that though
>by the end of it

Reading comprehension sure is hard huh?
I thought yuros were supposed to have a better education system than us. or are you just a dumb aussie?
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>>90483681

Fucking Taylor, jesus christ.
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>>90483763
>He didn't even get a chance to see Logan and Charles again after sacrificing himself.

I think that was part of the theme of this movie

Real life isn't a comic book, people don't die heroically in a blaze of glory, they just die and sometimes for no reason.

Not everyone gets the chance to say goodbye to everyone, they don't have the chance to fully express their final words or to even speak.

Life just isn't perfect.
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>>90484048
>Laurie
You called?
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>>90483600

Father is too mature/masculine and American audiences wouldn't have reacted to padre. Daddy was the best choice because it makes her seem so young and innocent
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>>90484048
Why are some people keep complain about Laura being a prostitute in the past was a bad thing? I think that actually make her more interesting and complex,
it's a very important parts of her story and personality.
And while I like movie laura alot, I still think comic laura is better as she is even more tragical and complex
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>>90482832
they played this immediately before the movie, not after

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5ezsReZcxU

(i like how it takes place outside a theater playing logan)
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>>90483681
The panel on the left is the part I always don't get. As we know and the later and many of her major stories shows, Logan think Laura more like his daughter and she think him as her father too, yet here he called her his sister. Did the writers get a bit confused ?
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>>90484592
How about just "dad", or "papĆ”"?
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>>90466797
>Alzheimer's
Not to be dick, but how many anons here would rather be put out of their misery then become burden to their family?
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>>90485043
no
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>>90485096
me

is there a minimum age to get a "do not resuscitate"?
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>>90483600
I'm kinda pissed I watched this movie in Spanish because I missed Laura's rant in Spanish the first time she talks
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>>90485011
It was very early on and she had alot of weirdness before the writers figured out exactly what they wanted to do with her.

Like when she was a teenage prostitute or Psylocke's sidekick and stuff, the 'sister' thing is probably more of the same.
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>>90484645
She's just Diet Cassandra Cain. Woe-is-me woobie waifu fodder. Movie version is infinitely better executed.

But your choice of image clearly indicates the woobie waifu fodder element worked on you.
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>>90470026
I was kind of worried they'd go through the whole movie without taking the "can't hurt a kid on screen" bullshit despite Laura constantly being in the crossfire, the harpoon was fucking mindblowing
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>>90470026
Laura's a toughie; she can take it.
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>>90483201
Yeah, what was up with that?
Who was he supposed to be?
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>>90485096
I'm shooting myself at the first sign of any brain-fucking diseases when I get old.
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>>90485096
I figure the moment I can no longer retain memories of my family, I'm gone already and the suicide will just ease the burden.

Probably would take pills or something though, I don't want anyone having to clean up a brain splatter.
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>>90485488
not that anon, but I always thought Cass was more of a diet Laura, tbqh.

Despite the no-talking thing, Cass seems remarkably well-adjusted mentally. She doesn't seem to be particularly traumatized or fucked up by her childhood, other than the whole dresses-up-as-a-skull-faced-bat deal. But that was more foisted upon her by Bruce anyway. And her inner mind narration is more-or-less a normal person.

And that never made much sense to me. You'd think a kid who was raised without language to be the world's greatest assassin and mime artist would be alot more fucked up than that. They SAY that Cass has a death wish but she never really seems to express that much self-hatred or depression that would justify it, imo.

Meanwhile Laura is usually depicted as a barely-functional lump of misery and neurosis, which is really more what you'd expect from a kid raised to be an assassin. Despite the more fantastical elements of Laura's character, what with the being a clone and magical healing and knives in her hands and feet, she always struck me as the more 'realistic' of the two.

I also don't really buy Cass having this inherent selflessness and nobility that makes her want to help others or to not kill despite being raised by Cain with no moral compass whatsoever. Laura, on the other hand, as per her upbringing, has no real understanding of morality at first and only develops viewpoints on it over the course of several years after being exposed to others. Again in this matter Laura also strikes me as the more 'realistic' one. But that's another issue altogether.
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>>90467124
parents are idiots. the same shit happened with deadpool - parents took their kids thinking it'd be a fun superhero movie for 10 year old jimmy. not even a few minutes in deadpool is dropping f-bombs and there's a long montage of him and his girlfriend having sex every holiday.
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>>90486393
>She doesn't seem to be particularly traumatized or fucked up by her childhood, other than the whole dresses-up-as-a-skull-faced-bat deal.
so did you just miss the big part of her origin where her dad made her kill a man when she was 8, and she was so fucking traumatized that she not only ran away from him but swore to never take another life again or let anyone die if she could prevent it? like that last paragraph of yours about her inherent selflessness? THAT'S literally the reason she has it.

she is a person who only understands the world through body language, and she killed a man and watched him die. it fucked her up super hard. and the thing that makes it complicated is she never found reason to hate her life up until that point. only until then did she realize her father was training her to be a killer. and she decided she would do just the opposite, in order to atone for that one life she took.

she doesn't have a death wish in the sense of wanting to commit suicide. it's that she has no regard for her life, no real instinct to keep herself safe. she doesn't care if she lives or dies. even batman knows not to run into incoming bullets, but cass in one of her first issues runs straight into gunfire just to take down her attacker.

i don't know how you can call cass mentally well adjusted in light of all this. she may not display brooding behavior, but doesn't make her anymore fucked up inside. kelly puckett's whole intention was to make cass the opposite of bruce, but still have his message resonate in her enough that she would want to take on the symbol.
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It's a personal pet peeve but why do people by the 2020's still think creating super soldiers is a good idea?
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>>90486943
Yeah, that's the bit that makes no sense to me, and that bit where she wants to atone for having killed that dude is EXACTLY what I mean about her inherent nobility.

I don't see why killing the dude should have fucked her up, unless she had some kind of pre-existing innate conception that life has a value to it and that its loss is bad. And she SHOULDN'T have that kind of conception because Cain was raising her to be a killer and he surely would not have exposed her to any such ideas and she had no language skills in order to learn that idea from others.

The issue with the no-kill thing is that it makes sense to a certain degree for Bruce. He saw his parents get killed before him, and he was traumatized by this because he had a pre-existing sense of the value of his parents. He loved them and he had a relationship with them, so obviously watching them get gunned down fucked him up severely.

Cass had no pre-existing relationship with the dude behind the desk. He was nothing to her. And yet she is messed up by his death enough to want to spend the rest of her life making up for it? The only way this makes sense if she had a pre-existing moral fiber, that inherent nobility I mentioned. AND that this moral fiber was NOT destroyed in the process of Cain's training. And that's the part I don't buy.

Of course, it could just be a case of Cain fucking up her training and not having her slaughter chickens and goats from a young age in order to acquint her with the idea and mechanics of death.

Which actually might be the case with what went wrong with Cain's project. IIRC what we WERE shown of Cass' training was Cain teaching her how to fight and then recruiting random dudes for her to beat up, and that Cass' first kill may have indeed been her first exposure to death. But again this just makes Cass the diet to Laura's 380 calories, because Laura was made to kill small animals from a young age.
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>>90487101
Because they don't read enough comics. Plus they were turning kids into weapons without reward. They're kids. If they had developed a reward system tailored to obedience AND brutality then things might have ended up differently than your "weapons" always trying to escape and killing you.
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>>90468500
Now I'd like to know where to find the other kind of fanart
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>>90483143
>>90477944
>>90483425
>>90483681
We all know Logan care about Laura and his other "daughters" and son(Daken), but
what type of father Logan is when you took away the superhero factor put him our real world setting ?
Is Logan a good father or not? he seem goes from good dad to bad dad back and forth time to time.
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>yfw they go at the farmers house
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>>90467337
If Magneto was 12 in, say, 1938, then he would only have been 80 in X-Men 3.
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>mfw xavier said "im so very sorry" after the hotel seizure
>mfw "it wasnt me"
>mfw the cross was turned to an x
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>>90487973
NOT FOR SEXUAL
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>>90486393
One thing about laura i fond vary interesting is that she is a girl with a lot of paradox.
She seek to be more emotional and normal on one hand but on the other hand she's loner who prefer stay alone.
Her chose of clothing is often a bit reveling and seductive but laura herself is show to be actually
not a sexually open and seductive girl, she actually show many time to dislike when guys who are appears to just want one night stand and not into serious romance relationship try to flirt with her and look at her with frivolous attitude .
She hates killing but usually won't hold back when killing bad guys on her ways
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>>90488868
Good assessment, ESL-kun.
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>>90488043
It's not so easy to categorize as him being a good dad or a bad dad. He's a complicated man, is Logs.

I think he certainly has good intentions regarding his kids, but doesn't always make good on them. That's sort of the Wolverine character in a nutshell though, really. On some level he may have good intentions but either through his own personal failings or circumstances those intentions never quite pan out.

In real world settings he seems like he'd be the kind of dad that gets drunk and forgets to pick his kids up from volleyball practice after school. And then he's real sorry and takes them to the waterpark on the weekend to make up for it. His heart's in the right place but he's not dependable.

And every once in a while the brats might make too much noise or say something to piss him off and he'd give them a few smacks. He'd feel bad about that afterwards too.
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Just got back. It was amazing.

My only gripe and it's not even a complaint is that I wish Logan's serum didn't wear out quite as fast so we got a more evenly matched fight between him and X-24.
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>>90465991
>she shoulda stayed en espanol
No she shouldn't I speak spanish and I couldn't help but feel how fucking annoying it must be for those who can't speak it to hear he babble on over nothing when she could speak english the ENTIRE TIME.

Anyone else think for kids raised to be weapons they were really out of shape?
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>how to make the world look shitty
>put Mexicans everywhere
what did they mean by this
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>>90466797
>>90485096
>>90486313
>You are just waiting for me to die...

That line...
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>>90484326
Fuck Anon you nailed it.
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>>90485096
It may not be an issue if DARPA's brain chip program works and grows.
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>>90466984
>>90475762
>James "Slice the Spic" Hewllit

>>90467152
That was nice.

>>90467167
Take a seat.
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>>90481253
Looks like a parenting movie and has that superhero named Wolverine so yeah...
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>>90482555
>I want to lick that snot...
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>>90470117
>>90470141
Hello HISHE,
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>>90485096
>become
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>>90466797
>Implying Professor X had alzheimer's and wasn't just fucking with Logan and X-23 the entire time because he didn't want to take responsibility for the attrocious actions he committed and was actually killing all the mutants on purpose because Professor X has been a secret homosexual hydra agent this entire time.
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>>90489846
Fuck off Loeb.
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>>90470117
>None of this would have happened if Logan would have used Kitty's special ability to go back in time and tell Hank Mccoy to create a serum that would cure Alzheimer's/ cure seizures.
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>>90472023
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>>90489096
Wolverine was always better with kids who WEREN'T feral mutants. Before Daken or Laura even existed it was canon that Logan was supposed to mentor Wild Child back in the Flight Program. He saw in Wild Child what he hates and fears within himself and lashed out at him and had no compassion for him. Mind you back then Wild Child was a victim of experiments and was not a villain yet. This was part of Wild Child's issues and why he had a grudge against Wolverine.

Compare it with how bad he was with Laura and then contrast this with how he treated Kitty and Jubilee. Wolverine had a serious hate hard on for feral mutants even if he tried to learn not to act on it.
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>>90489974
DELETE THIS
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>>90470408
All of them were child soldiers and yet none of them had any useful powers for actual fighting who the fuck greenlit their creation
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>>90490093
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>>90487681
>Cass had no pre-existing relationship with the dude behind the desk. He was nothing to her. And yet she is messed up by his death enough to want to spend the rest of her life making up for it? The only way this makes sense if she had a pre-existing moral fiber, that inherent nobility I mentioned. AND that this moral fiber was NOT destroyed in the process of Cain's training. And that's the part I don't buy.

and why not? who the man behind the desk shouldn't matter. when you're made to kill someone, and you don't even know what that means until you do it, it can be fucking traumatizing.

the man who killed Bruce's parents didn't have a connection to them, he was just a mugger. (this is going off the original conception and not DC's fuckery of trying to make Joe Chill an actual character, which defeats the whole point of the incident.) likewise cass had no connection to the man she killed. hell technically he was a drug dealer that cain had a beef with. but that shouldn't matter. when she took that life, she was traumatized by it. and that trauma is what invoked her sense of nobility.

>Of course, it could just be a case of Cain fucking up her training and not having her slaughter chickens and goats from a young age in order to acquint her with the idea and mechanics of death.

and yeah that's also pretty obvious too. his project was to make her a perfect killer and he failed because he forgot she was a human being. there is a nature vs. nuture argument to empathy, but common science shows that humans are born with some sense of empathy. most sociopaths and psychopaths were born with mental defects in their ability to feel empathy for other people, which were enhanced by most of the criminal ones being subjected to abusive environments.
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>>90490079
But he is show to love Laura and Daken deeply,he didn't hate them
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>>90488161
>When Charles starts confessing to X-24 thinking it's Wolverine
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>>90488625
>mfw xavier said "im so very sorry" after the hotel seizure
That hit me hard during the movie, and again later on when I remembered that Charles had spent eight decades working to prove mutants weren't a threat, only for him to end up hurting them the most.
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>>90490372
But he also failed Laura a lot, and had to kill Daken. It makes a lot of sense that he has a complex when it comes to fellow feral mutants/experiment victims, it's the ugliest part of who he is and you could say his attempts to reach Daken showed him trying to overcome that. I know he doesn't hate Laura and Daken, but his biases against his own kind were very clear in Laura's case.
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>>90485096
If I ever get a brain degeneration disease I want to be sit infront of my favorite movies everyday of my life until my death it really seems like the only way to handle it
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>>90490711
That was such a great comeback, even though it accomplished so little
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>Beware the light

;_;
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>>90488868
Its about trying to fit in even if it doesn't really work for you, you dress and try to be like everyone else but really when the effort to pretend gets too much you go back to who you are
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>>90475762
James "If he's a spic he gets the snikt" Howlett
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The Wolverine movies needed a better final boss than a Wolverine clon.

Should have been Omega Red
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>>90490762
>>90490758
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>>90490344
Well, there ya go, even more reasons why Cass is the diet Laura and not the other way around. Cass' writers didn't want to go all the way with the characters and just sort of had Cain train her half-assedly instead of breaking her completely and rebuilding her, as would be necessary to produce a child soldier.

Compare Cain to Laura's handlers, who intentionally destroyed her empathy as part of her training as in pic related. Which again is a more 'realistic' approach as to how this sort of thing might be done in-universe. There's no comparable scenes as far as I'm aware of Cain intentionally distorting Cass' worldview like what's being done here to Laura.

Mind you, I'm not trying to do like, waifu wars or who is the more hardcore or edgy character or anything like that. I just think that Laura is a more 'realistic' examination of the kind of fucked up person that would be produced by raising them like that, than Cass is, and I think the problem here really arises from how Cass was originally designed as a character.

I read a thing a while back that claimed something like when the writers designed Cass, they started with the concept of a girl who basically had a sunny and positive disposition, that nonetheless was suicidal and had no desire for self-preservation. And then they sort of wrote backwards to create a backstory for a character that would have this combination of traits.

Now... I have no idea how accurate this thing was, but assuming it's true, I think it explains my problems with Cass as a character. Namely she wasn't designed organically, with a view of her origin and then with a logical extrapolation of how her character should be from that. Like the writers wanted to play with the idea of a child-assassin-turned-superhero, but they didn't want to really explore how such a character should turn out.
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>>90490679
But it gets to a point where you won't remember what happened a few minutes back in the movie, then you won't remember what movie it is, then you won't remember where or who you are. Your favorite movie would become a confusing, distressing blur of random images.

Alzheimer's and its ilk are some of the cruelest things we've ever found.
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>>90490957
this was an actual movie, not capeshit

you would have needed to establish who the fuck that is and why it matters that logan fights him

him facing a remorseless version of himself in his prime was the right call
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>>90491256
It's been a while since I read I origin story,so I don remember it well.
What was Laura's relationship with her mom Sarah ? I remember the mother and daughter had a quiet good and sweet,yet at the same time fuck up and twisted/unhealthy relationship despite they love each other.
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>>90491256
Who is the one talking and threatening
to kill the puppy ?
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>>90492420
Zander Rice, probably, although they never identify him by name in that scene, I don't think.
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>>90491723
Pretty much the only contact they had was Sarah reading recreationally to Laura and watching her from behind the glass.

Laura was pretty attached to her mother and seems to have loved her. But she didn't know that Sarah loved her back until like 2 years later when she got a copy of her mom's letter from Wolverine.

Laura might not even have a functional concept of 'love,' though, as seen in pic related. Her mom's enabling of her abuse and then claiming in a letter to have loved her all along seems to have really confused her.
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>>90493635
What about how Sarah ? What did she thinks and her attitude tword her daughter
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>>90493635

Hurts my heart. I want so badly to see her written this well again. I didn't even want to like this character, but that book had some really great moments.
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>>90494108
She started off as kind of a megalomaniacal psycho. I think at one point she declared that being able to successfully clone Wolverine was an act of godhood or something.

Then later on, lots and lots of guilt!

>For so long, I held myself above Sutter and Rice. They made you a killer. They were the ones using you. But all it took was one phone call to open my eyes and see I was just like them. They say in life that we are judged by the choices we make, they are what define us, and I chose to bring you in to this world. I chose to stay in the program even after they stripped you of your humanity and molded you in to a weapon. I'm responsible for everything that has happened, for all the pain all the death for everything you have suffered, because I had a choice when you had none. And I chose to do nothing. I always assumed it was Rice that cut you. He hurt you so many times in the past...he almost killed you twice. I never wanted to believe it was you. The damage I've done...can I ever forgive myself? You couldn't stop what Rice made you do...but somehow you managed to save Henry and tell me the truth which means there is hope...you showed me we've failed...you are not a weapon, you are a child. Always remember you are not to blame. You did not pick this life. We...I forced it upon you.

Goddamn, the woman was terrible at writing letters. No wonder Laura turned out so demented.
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>>90494116
>I didn't even want to like this character

Same. When I found out about the character concept I thought it was the most absurd shit ever. Fucking LITERAL Rule 63 of Wolverine? But somehow she wound up being a really well-written and engaging character and autism'd her way into my heart.
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>>90484352
I'm still mad.
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The black momma was pretty based.

"You put that girl down."
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>>90494543
> and autism'd her way into my heart.

Exactly.
This Girl Wolverine shit lately kills me because personality wise she is nothing like Wolverine. She shouldn't even want to be Wolverine. I wish she were dealing with other feral mutants and having some more introspection about her own nature and who she is inside, and going on some buddy adventures with vamp Jubilee.

Her dealing with clones of her own had it's own potential but it's way too soon, and what is it with Marvel wanting to burden popular female characters with some manner of a motherhood role lately?
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>>90494108
>>90493635
I think Sarah did had motherly love and feeling tword Laura from early on, but just like in this page, that didn't stop her form letting other people to used and abused her . Through out Laura's time as an assassin and weapon that force to kill countless people, she did comfort her daughter after the missions and show to have concern and disgust what she's involved in and allowed her daughter to do, but still did nothing to stop it.
It wasn't until vary late that she finally decided to took action to end all this and took her daughter away with her to live a normal live, but sadly that also where her story ended.
The ironic and tragic things is that the two times when Sarah want and let her daughter to do something "better" and take action against her organization's order, it ironically still involve with she used and order her daughter to kill, which although with good intentions, is still selfish act and against what Laura is try not to be and do
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>>90467124
I saw it this evening and I swear almost half the audience was under the age of 13. What was wild is it wasn't just boys either, it was fairly split with girls too. A bunch of parents walked out half an hour in. There were THREE different babies across the room and the moment anything loud happened all three would start wailing. Two of them left but one stayed and tried to keep the baby quiet until giving up about 20 minutes before the ending. It was the most infuriating thing I've ever experienced at a theater, including the time I went to see Return of the King and some faggots behind me stuck a lollipop in my hair that got so messed up I had to get my hair cut off.
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>>90492719

I remember how that turned out to be a whole big wad of nothing. Everyone was freaking out.
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This Blackachu was adorable

...and, black kid with electric power, again.
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>>90494930
I firmly believe that nobody under the age of 10 should be allowed in R-rated movies, and not because of any "think of the children" principles, but because you end up with a bunch of little shits both ruining the experience for everyone else in the theatre and not even managing to enjoy the movie themselves.
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>>90494741
>sees a huge jacked man
>cocks a rifle
BASED
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>>90494793
I'd like to think that in-universe the whole Girl Wolverine thing is a giant autistic misunderstanding on Laura's part.

In Logan Legacy? or Wolverines? Can't remember which, she runs into a cape who is a depowered mutant and who is dying from leukemia, but is still doing the superhero thing. When she asks him why he's not retired, he tells her something like he's doing it for the suit, because it's a symbol of something bigger than he is.

So then Laura completely misapplies what he says and decides that the Wolverine suit and identity should also be a symbol and adopts it.

Or at least that's my headcanon excuse for the whole thing anyway. I know that she's been shoved into the suit because MUH LEGACY CHARACTERS reasons IRL Bleh.

Although I really do like Gabby.
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>>90494741
>>90495116
>The dad gets back up after getting snikt'd, runs over X-24 and unloads an entire shotgun clip into his face before actually dieing himself

That was pretty awesome
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>that actress for x-23 is actually spanish
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>>90495396
That's how I'd write her, for sure.

I really hope all her clone kids don't get killed off. I'm not even attached to them because the book is fucking boring, but I can't stand the idea of it. It was bad enough when her and her classmates were kidnapped and taken to murderworld in that stupid Hopeless book. I just want there to be some hope and love in the MU for once.
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>>90495043
Wad there a reason black kid or teen ofen got electrical power ?
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>>90495043

...fuck.
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>>90495545

Nate tried to roll up on huge jacked man with a baseball bat, not even knowing about the whole snkit of us.

Fuck it, the entire family is awesome.
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>>90495597
>I just want there to be some hope and love in the MU for once

Oh anon. I'm so sorry.

You know that none of them are ever going to get a happy ending. Not in these perpetually open-ended IPs. They're just going to go on and on until they get killed for shock value or make way for a legacy character. At best they'll be quietly forgotten and then you can headcanon them as having settled down in a nice suburban home with a white picket fence that won't be smashed by Galactus.

So hey! Might as well enjoy the ride.
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>>90496182
Fading into obscurity can be fine. Nothing wrong with characters getting dropped after awhile because they aren't relevant. There's just no reason for the answer to unwanted characters to always be cannon fodder or for the next writer to always want to shit on what the last guy did. But that is what Marvel's books are often reduced to these days. I like the characters but it's rare that I like the stories anymore.
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>>90496182
I hate this industry so fucking much.
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>>90496271
And this is why Logan's advice here is great. Also applies to reading comics.
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Dude they put the adamantium on her bones? That shit won't grow with her right won't she end up crippled?
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>>90496491
Only on her claws, idiot.
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>>90496453
True enough but it's really shit when characters you love aren't getting decent stories. I have a very love hate relationship with Marvel.

For what it's worth I'm aspiring to work in the industry eventually and write the sorts of stories I want to read. I'm still learning, though, and still working on some ideas I have.
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>>90496602
I believe in you, anon.
You can and will do great things.

Just remember that you don't have to limit yourself to any one company.
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>>90496602
Well! Maybe you'll be the one to play around in Laura's head one day.

Just remember her one eternal love is for corsets and we'll be fine.
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>>90484645
>Why are some people keep complain about Laura being a prostitute in the past was a bad thing? I think that actually make her more interesting and complex
Because it's stupid. She's a teenage assassin with super powers. If she's gonna fall into crime why would it be as a prostitute? She'd be a much better bodyguard, spy of enforcer.
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>>90496661
I would definitely goth her back up a bit, anon. I'll try to post some practice art in the near future. The ideas I'm working on would center around Laura, Jubilee, Daken, and Wild Child. I'm still trying to get a handle on Daken and his backstory, which I might try to retcon a little because it's so mired in the Romulus mess.

>>90496627
Thank you anon! I don't know why but I always got more attached to Marvel's characters than DC, and given the fact I was poor I pretty much chose one universe over the other. But maybe I'll do some original stuff outside the big two some day... But right now it's really Marvel that I at least somewhat know and am passionate about, even as unrecognizable as it may be at times.
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>>90496765
>Thank you anon!
No problem.
Aspiring artists don't always have someone to spur them on.

>I don't know why but I always got more attached to Marvel's characters than DC, and given the fact I was poor I pretty much chose one universe over the other.
Funny, that's exactly how it was with me, too.
Marvel, especially the X-Men, always stood out to me more.
The X-Men weren't just a stand-in for minorities and oppressed groups, they were there for outcasts of all kinds and that really resonated with me.
No matter who you are, where you're from, what happened in your past, there are mutants anyone can relate to.

>But right now it's really Marvel that I at least somewhat know and am passionate about, even as unrecognizable as it may be at times.
That's really good to hear.
We need people like you at Marvel.
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>>90496801
The mutants were my favorites for the same reason. Also they were something Marvel had the DC didn't... DC was too oriented around 'families' of characters who all have the same concept... the supers, the bats, the lanterns... It was all aliens and super gadget detectives. Marvel was a bit more out of the box than that with the mutants really being wildcards and there being villains and heroes all from this same grouping, all with widely varied backgrounds.

The possibilities seemed endless, and these genetically mutated characters would also often mix with other types of supers or go on mystical adventures.... It was never boring in the 80s and early 90's. The same book could range from bleak and gritty to cozy and silly within just a span of a few issues. That really needs to come back. Seems like heroes never have a break from fighting impending doom or else discussing impending doom in some control room or cockpit. The books have lost the sense of wonder, adventure, and heart.

That and I wish Marvel editorial would make writers communicate more about their shared universe so that they aren't constantly creating plot holes for each other and stepping on each other's toes, like with this Terogen Mist story. I'm really lost as to whether or not any of the books are even addressing that issue directly right now. I'm still pretty low on funds but I'm really just going to have to start downloading shit illegally and then retroactively buying the stuff that was good, because the MU is a very confusing place right now. I don't want to be one of those writers who just pretends my story isn't set in the same world as the others.
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>>90470979

Not if you keep it in her until her cunt heals around the dick.
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>>90496735
I hope they just leave that shit out of future movies if they keep using the character.
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>>90496735
Because she didn't really have any will to kill people, and she's beautiful, and used to being used. Also she was running away from an organisation that used her to kill people, becoming a career killer on her own would have drawn attention. She had no sense of identity or direction, just an inherent survival instinct not to go back to the situation she had already been in.
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>>90497181
>Because she didn't really have any will to kill people, and she's beautiful, and used to being used.
So? She could do so much more. She'd make a great thief, a pickpocket or basically anything else.
>Also she was running away from an organisation that used her to kill people, becoming a career killer on her own would have drawn attention.
And her being a super attractive, young and super powered prostitute wouldn't?
>She had no sense of identity or direction, just an inherent survival instinct not to go back to the situation she had already been in.
And so how does that correlate to prostitution? She could've done what Logan does and go feral for a few years.

Face it man, her being a prostitute is stupid and reeks of a writer's fetish.
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>>90471034
God I hate New X-Men and I REALLY hate Jean.
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>>90497201
You aren't really making arguments against the prostitution, you're just saying 'sure, or she could have...' And yes, the sex trade does tend to fly under the radar in many countries. Prostitutes are seen as commodities if they keep their head down and keep quiet and just do what they're told. In any of the other trades she would have had to show more initiative, plan, communicate, and make a name for herself, none of which would have fit her at the time. Her being traumatized and just falling into something easy in the underworld like that kind of fits her psychology. She's not a rage monster like Wolverine and Sabretooth without the trigger scent.

Frankly the prostitution thing added another layer of tragedy and sympathy to the character. It comes up when she meets the first Alice and mistakens her for a prostitute.

Why do you even care whether or not it is anyone's fetish? Comics are full of fetish fuel. Get over it.
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>>90467665
Literally me
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>>90496801
Weirdly enough the X-Men were also standouts to me as well, but for a completely different reason.

I never really 'got' superheroism as a general concept. Still don't, really. The idea of a Superman or a Spider-Man r The Flash or whatever, going out to fight crime for no personal gain and at significant cost to their own persons and friends and loved ones makes no sense to me.

It's an entertaining vehicle for story and all, and I found them entertaining, but at the end of the day I can't process the core concept.

But these X-Men were different. They were fighting not for a great cause (although Xavier convinced some of them that they were), but for their own empowerment and enfranchisement. And that I got behind. And then you've got Mags and the Brotherhood, who are basically fighting for the same thing, just they have a different way. The conflict of ideology was just so much more complex and interesting than the 'good vs evil' or 'villain is a mad' shtick that everyone else was doing.

And I think this is also related to the reason why I'm so into X-23, is because she's like a microcosm of this sort of thing. The way I read her, it's as a fundamentally selfish character. On many occasions she's helped this group or that, saved people, sacrificed her own body, mind, prospective futures to painful and horrible outcomes. But she's not doing these things because of some vague blanket mission statement like 'with great power comes yada yada' or 'one day they will join you in the sun' or 'my parents are DEAAD.'

She's examining the cases one by one, seeing them through the prism of her own experiences, and then choosing to take action usually based on protecting others from go through what she did.

And at this point my brain seems to have melted,.so fucking SLEEPY. Dunno what other words I hd to say here and how well i'd be able to say them. But one day I shall return with my Unifieid Laura: The One True And Only Marvel Superhero Character Dissertation!
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>>90479340
Which opened the door for the mutant hunting squads. I don't know what happened to Magneto or if his power loss is still canon, but with the Brotherhood and the X-Men out of the picture it makes sense that the gene therapy and Caliban hunting parties could go off without a hitch
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>>90470627
I like this explanation
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>>90470715
Her powers she barely used because she didn't want to kill people? At least her dealing with vampirism is interesting when written well.
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>>90491341

The forgetting is not the worst part. The worst part is the remembering. The tiny moments of lucidity between long stretches of pants-shitting dementia where you understand just what has happened to you and what you've become.
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>>90497326
Very good post, anon, you hit the nail on the head. As fantastic as the subject matter is, the motivations are far more real.
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>>90468449
my friends and i fell in love with that little bastard
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Daddy should have been her first word, they missed out on that.
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>>90467124
Aren't you glad we have a ratings system in place that literally nobody pays any attention to, because they're too lazy?
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>>90497284
I totally agree with you, the prostitute background actually make Laura even more tragic and complex as a character when god writers write her.
it add more to her personality and effect many of her actions and thoughts.
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I liked her in this movie, but I really hope that they don't try to force out a solo X-23 movie just because this one was successful.
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>>90495043
Okay seriously what is it with niggas and electricity?
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>>90498005
This.

Also I'd actually prefer if they kept her role in the future to minor cameo with her doing kid's stuff. No fighting for her anymore. That's the way it's meant to be.
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>>90498005
Give it like 2-3 years, then bring out the X-Force movie
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>>90490762
The last thing i thought is gonna be in this movie is Caliban, and he was great.
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>It's got water and...
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>>90498048
This is my hope

>>90498061
This is my realistic expectation.
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>>90498104
Same
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>>90468377
Thinking about it now, it's weird how he got impaled on a tree when he has an Adamantium skeleton. Shouldn't it be an obstacle to stuff like that?
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>>90498367
It was through his soft spot.
Feel underneath your ribs and you'll find that you have one too.
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>>90490127
TK Kid, Cryobreath, Chubby Taser and Rictor all had plenty of potential. FlowerPower is probably going to develop into a madly powerful terrain manipulator
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>>90498010
Black Lightning started it by being DC's first supernigga
Then rights issues with him started due to bad blood between DC and his creator, so until recently they made up a new clone of him every time they had to add him in adaptations (Black Vulcan from Superfriends is probably the most infamous)
A few original characters like Storm, Static or BL's own family continued the trend
By now it's just a running gag
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This movie is extremely overated
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>>90498447
Sure, but what about the spine?
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>>90499795
You do realize your spine doesn't cover your entire back right?
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>>90499807

wait what?
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Can someone explain me where this film fits in the X-men movie universe?

First I thought it took place after the future from Days from the future past, since that future is 2023 and this movie was set in 2029, (Which was the official setting)

But in the movie they said its been 25 years since the last mutant was born, if in 2023 there was a school filled with young mutants it can't be the same timeline.

Is this a third timeline inside the universe or they just didn't think too much and contradicted themselves?
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>>90499985
Do'nt think too much about it, it's kind of a spin-off that really isn't a spin-off, but it is.
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>>90467665
For a second this happened to me too, with the haircut they really look alike, nothing to be ashamed.
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>>90499985
It's only canon if you want it to be
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>>90499985
It follows on from X3, but without the sentinels exterminating mutants.

I assumed it was its own, third timeline.
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>>90467665
You're not the only one, I thought "Holy fuck, Sabretooth and because he doesn't have any adamantium he's not dieing and could easily kick wolverine's ass!" then it turned out to be a clone and I was a little disappointed.
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Saw it yesterday. Some questions:

Why didnt they kill the kids instead of chasing them and holding them hostage? They wanted to put them to sleep anyway. Except for Laura they could have killed anyone by bullets.

Also had to pee so I missed what happened between the moment where they leave the farm after the fight and the moment he says "its the water" or something. What happened there?
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>>90470838
You're right. They weren't even like hunted down or killed, their gifts just sort of went away. And think about this, in the original sentinel timeline, basically all the X-Men were killed or disassembled by 2006. In this timeline they all lived and stayed together and became public icons and heroes everyone loved until 2028, when they all died instantly of an Xavier mind seizure. It's the best possible ending for the X-Men desu. I read a lot of articles where the director said something along the lines of "This movie is about what happens after the superhero life, after that's done with. And that's incredibly true.
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>>90470172
This.

He also has that whole speech with Laura about how killing can change you.

I think it's different to be killing Cholos that are going at you with guns and lead pipes, than from executing an unconscious bloke.

Hell half of Wolverines deal his him basically pleading with people to not keep coming at him because he'll be forced to kill them and he doesn't want that
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>>90471131
The only ones who hate it are Trumpfags who get triggered by any interpretation of Mexico that could even be remotely construed as positive because clearly it's a direct attack on Trump if they do

>B-but it is, why do you think they used Mexicans anon?

Because it's a fucking Western influenced film. Mexico and mexicans often play into them.
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>>90467665
>>90473264
Technically, it was Daken.
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