While the film itself was innocuous, does anyone else feel like

>>90404932
yep and I ain't even Polynesian. But that sort of thing just happens in this world. I am christian and it pains me, but my own religion has also been commercialized.

>>90404932
Not really
That's the point of folk heroes
There is no canon
The point of the folkstories is to be enjoyed

Sort of. I can understand objections though.
Im not trying to bait here, but why did nobody give a shit when the same stuff happened with Hercules and The Sword in the Stone?

you really want to have a reason to be upset don't you
mind your own business

>>90404973
While I get what you're saying, I think there's a stark difference between "Honk if you love Jesus" bumper stickers and selling figurines and costumes of a deity for profit.

Although I believe I have seen Jesus costumes....

>>90405058
With Hercules there's the fact nobody in Greece hails him as a folk hero anymore.

With sword in the stone, well... it was never heavily commercialized and didn't depict any holy figures besides the obvious Christian implications.

>>90405058
sadly no one gives a fuck about greek mythology

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>>90404932
I feel like a lot of Disney movies may be considered "in bad taste" in terms of adapting certain stories, sometimes using historical figures, etc.

I'm not saying I'm offended by it myself, but if someone is you can't exactly blame them.

>>90405102
Name one person who actually belives Hercules to be a defender or champion of man in the modern world though.

>>90405058
Greek mythology is a dead religion and the King Arthur tales is just general folklore with many different stories being added on throughout the ages.

I can sort understand OP's thought if the folklore in question is based on a currently followed religion but if I recall wasn't Maui a made up character simply based around multiple different Polynesian stories?

>>90405183
No Maui is the equivalent of Hercules to Polynesian religion. He is an actual character in their culture

>>90405183
>wasn't Maui a made up character

Hell no. Maui is a folk hero who has many stories of his deeds that have been told in many Polynesian cultures (with some variance among the different cultures). He's a folk hero held in high regard by almost every Polynesian culture.

>>90405131
Meh, maybe I just can't recall any good ones on the top of my head but the only one I'd say that was in bad taste was Pocahontas.

>>90405239
>>90405244
My bad, false information I didn't check in my part.

>>90405259
The main problems I had with that were historical inaccuracy and a pretty stereotypical and inaccurate depiction of the cultures of the Native American tribes living on the New England coast.


It's message that savagery is possible on both sides was pretty well done though.
>>90405281
All good bro

>>90405058
>The Sword in the Stone
Because they're white

>>90405183
>King Arthur tales is just general folklore with many different stories being added on throughout the ages.

And Maui isn't?

I know a Hawaiian who owns a Maui plush
He also scoffed at "Haoles" who got offended by the Halloween costume

>>90405388
King Arthur was never depicted in the same severity as Maui is and was. He's a demigod and defender of humanity, not some divine right bullshitter and defender of some rainy islands.

>>90404932
They cast all Polynesian/Somoan voice actors for this movie, I'm pretty sure someone would let them know if it was in bad taste

>>90405467
I think the bigger problem at hand with this is the inevitable commercializations at their Hawaiian resorts, which are already screwing over local people and property values.

>>90404932
I thought the movie was pretty good, I don't think I'd have much issue with something I hold in high regard being presented in a similar fashion.

>>90405159
Who gives a shit. Its a godamn movie, i dont care about their culture outside of it making a humorous 2 hour flick.

Considering Disney got Polynesian people to play the two lead roles, no one from those cultures probably got offended. My dad was friends with a Samoan woman who was good friends with the Rock because that's how small their communities are apparently. Au'li'i or however you spell it, is probably okay with it. Even if she wasn't she has a foot in the door at Disney now. Hard to not be pragmatic when a multi-billion dollar corporation offers you a job to headline a movie.

>>90405682
>>90405608
>>90405756

You're missing the point. The film isn't the problem. The commercialization of it via toys and costumes is.

>>90405597
Arthur was the source of inspiration for generations of medieval hipsters who pushed for the idea of a lost age of chivalry.

>not some divine right bullshitter and defender of some rainy islands.
>Maui is a bullshitter trickster hero given his powers by the divine right of the Gods, and is defender of some sunny islands

I'm honestly not seeing the cultural distinction. Kids still grow up knowing and idolizing King Arthur and Robin Hood, doesn't hold some ostentatious cultural meaning to them, they just like them because they're cool heroes who did awesome shit. How is Maui any different from them in that regard? Why is it a big deal? Disney can make bank by exploiting the cultural heritage of every other nation and people on Earth but they should draw the line at Polynesians?

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>>90405756
SIXTEEN

>>90405772
Polynesian kids shouldn't get Maui PJs to wear or action figures to play with? Why not?

>>90404932
Isn't that a good thing for folklore heroes? The more prolific they become in society the better; the legend will never die

>>90405856
There is nothing wrong with films being made about these characters or kids idolizing them. Hell, both Maui and King Arthur were pretty badass. Their adventures are epic.

The distinction is that one is a hero who, while fighting for the Christian god, is still very much a mortal man, while the other is a hero who is practically a deity in his own right, and is a fully fledged one in some Polynesian cultures.

The problem is that this is the first time Disney has actually made money selling merchandise related to an actual deity with strong ties to culture and faith rather than a cultural or historical figure.
>>90405895
Any kid can get them, Polynesian or not, but the point is that Disney has been promoting commercializing to a dangerous degree with this breach into actual religious figures.

>>90404932
only if that culture has a taboo on depicting its folklore heroes. very few do, and those that do are kinda shit
the rules always vary though. like most people think it's weird to name your kid jesus, but hispanics do it like crazy

>>90405066
dont forget the action figures
i fucking love that shit. as long as you arent in denial about making profit being your goal, and try to make out that you're doing something holy or whatever to trick people into buying it..

>>90405625
look, gentrification sucks when it makes people unable to afford their own homes, but you cannot deny it's good for the area at large. those people are going to start making more at work, in general, than they used to, and enjoy a lot more quality public shit. without the resorts they'd be living in slums, probably forever

>>90406010
Do Polynesians actually give a shit about him from a religious perspective rather than a cultural one though? At all? Because if they DID, I'd think they'd have taken far more issue with his portrayal in the film.

Honestly sounds like you're reaching for reasons to be offended on behalf of people who don't give a shit.

>does anyone else feel like the merchandising of a folkloric hero held in such high regard may have been in bad taste?

We don't give a fuck.

The only people who care are whiny halo'es that didn't know Maui from a surf company last year. You'd have to dig pretty deep to find any actual local boys who care.

>>90405772
What's exactly is the problem with the toys now?

>>90406010
So, only shit from white cultures get to be on happy meal boxes? Is that what you're saying?

>>90406119
I get what you're saying, but I remember a Hawaiian man who went on a tangent in a moana thread when it first came out who basically said he and his neighbors had been in really tough times since the resorts opened and I can't help but feel pretty bad over it.

>>90406220
Do you actually have an image of King Arthur on the side of a happy meal box?

No joke that'd be pretty baller.

>>90406010
>Any kid can get them, Polynesian or not, but the point is that Disney has been promoting commercializing to a dangerous degree with this breach into actual religious figures.
This is a very christian understanding of religious figures. there is no holy dogma or revered church to take offense.

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>>90406318
I remember seeing them, but the closest I can easily find are the Mystic Knights of Tir An Og. The Irish power ranger knights thing.

>>90406352
Fuck, look at what the Nips did to their Shinto religions. The legendary Tanuki isn't a figure of good luck. He's the bastard you have to pay off the mortgage at the start of the game. China has made gang busters off Budha statues. Reverence to the old religions seem to be a Judeo-Christian thing.

>Mentions of Hercules and Arthur
>No one mentions Thor

Don't some Scandinavian countries still worship him too, not in a large amount but still a small significant number?

>>90406452
I remember this thing

I also remember the power rangers one

I never managed to collect them all

>>90406515
>implying anyone cares about neopagans

Especially since some sects of norse neopagans are also nazis, people would probably go out of their way to shit on thor if they thought they were "pissing off nazi shitlords"

>>90404932
I just get reminded of that crazy lady on Twitter who called Disney racist for not sexualizing "Pasifika" characters like Moana and Lilo.

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>>90406452
Yeah, I misremembered. The arthur I was thinking of were toy store toys.

Opening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY0U2pSRYeg

Show concept was an American football team sent to Camelot to defend the realm.

>>90406545
It's for the best. No one should eat that many cheeseburgers.

>>90406612
Was she also mad that Maui didn't crawl up Tifiti's vagina to die at the end of Moana?

>>90406658
That made me low key salty NGL

>>90406658
Even if they had to hide it or leave the teeth out, I still wanted to see vagina crushing action.

>>90406658
Maybe. I just remember how batshit she was regarding Moana, posting essay-long Twitter threads over how angry she was that people will discover Polynesian culture through a Disney movie. And then she went out about how Lilo & Stitch was demeaning her race and taking away their sexual identity.

>>90406735
Got any pics of it?

im tongan and everyone i know loved it

worrying about that is another case of white guilt gone too far, being offended on behalf of other peoples

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Nah.

>>90406877
Holy shit this offends me.

Not because he's a holy figure, but damn that craftsmanship is shit tier.

>>90404932
>the merchandising of a folkloric hero held in such high regard may have been in bad taste?

No.
It's done all the time with other folklore and old religions and stuff.

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>>90406824
I consider it flat out racisim. Fuckers who've never eaten a loco moco plate lunch are trying to exert control over depictions of islander culture. Trying to tell people what they can and can't do for their own bigoted reasons.

It's like when they got WB to pull Speedy Gonzales, but didn't ask any actual mexicans how they felt about it.

>>90406612
Wait wait WAIT! She was angry that they DIDN'T sexualize MINORS! O-o

>>90407306
Yes

>>90405893
I'd hit it. Don't lie, you would too.

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>>90407128
Remember this shit? I wonder what would happen if I were to ever tell these people that it's good that white people are diluting Nip culture because I'm Filipino and they conquered my homeland in WW2 and oppressed my people.

>>90407351
Dafuq? Why is there such a double standard when women are pedos? Shit like this is why lady teachers only get community service for sleeping with their students.

>>90407128
Speedy is clever, fast, witty, and an asset to his community. Considering what some folks think about mexicans, that's not a bad depiction. Personally, I love Speedy!

>>90407370
>white institutions condoning erasure of the narrative orientalism
Translation?

>>90407399
Different culture where western values were only introduced relatively recently. Cultural Relativism is useful for onjectively viewing the past, and western values against the sexualization of minors is a recent developement in virtually all cultures in general now that I think of it.

TALA MOANA, WARRIOR

>>90405058
Mulan as well, sorta.

>>90407481
Plus, liberals are forced to face up a paradox. Like the burqini drama in France last year.

>>90405625
The resort industry in Hawaii has already been fucking up their culture for quite some time.

Luaus used to be important events and now they're just the grass skirt equivalent of Dave & Buster's.

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>>90407370
>had plenty of space to write "without"
>wrote "w/o" anyway

lol omg wtf its almost lik her generashun is all r-tards amrite ;D It amazes me when people are incapable of typing without these lazy "contractions," or worse yet, writing them out.

Also, that run-on sentence. Please advertise your lack of intelligence and inability to form presentable arguments.

>+ it's killing us.

Source. It's almost like you're just overreacting for the sake of attention.

>>90407471
Marxist idealogues redefine words to fit their world view. I wonder how many of thise protesters were Chinese? Are they aware of the famines and cultural erasure that Marxism brought to China?

>>90407471

we still teach from a super euro-centric pov

>>90407592
Well, I know that Manchu is now spoken by 10 people only.

>>90405066
You can buy just about anything with Jesus plastered all over it. Costumes, toys, "art", coffee mugs, t-shirts, playing cards, and let's not forget the figurines.

Religion will be forever commercialized because it's a guaranteed market, a captive audience.

>>90404932
A necessary evil. This movie wouldn't be able to e made if the execs didn't get some return in merchandising.

Do Norwegians care about Marvel selling Thor action figures?

No

>>90404932
It's not as bad as, say, attempting to purchase a holiday so they had rights to the name of it for a future release...

>>90407713
Would they care when they sell toys of a black woman and call it Valkyrie?

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>>90406612
>for not sexualizing "Pasifika" characters like Moana and Lilo.

Sounds like my kind of lady.

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>>90407370
I thought it was fucking hilarious. As a bonus from what I remember, the protesters didn't have a single Japanese speaker there. The closest they had was a severely asschapped pinay. And then actual japanese counterprotestors showed up.

And unbelievably, the museum caved mid exhibition.

So you had white people and filipinos telling japanese people that they were wrong and that they needed to stop the very white museum from doing an exhibition of japanese culture that was supposed to go along with a famous french dude who loved japanese shit and painted a white girl wearing a japanese robe.

Holy martin luther king nailed to a church door. It's like the racial whining version of Kingdom Hearts.

>>90407481
For one, I wouldn't mind if the age of consent was scaled back to 14.

>>90409272
t. 30 year old

>>90407617
>european populated nation founded by europeans is euro-centric

Fucking crazy

>>90405102
that's not even historically inaccurate if you ignore Hercules being a myth. Gladiators were basically pro wrestlers and did sponsorship deals for wine and crap.

>>90404932
>merchandising
Indifference.

>Company promoting itself as champions of diversity for doing so
Dirty.

>People buying into it.
Depressing.

>White people protesting said use as cultural appropriation
Rage-inducing.

>>90406119
Gentrification really isn't good for the area at all. It forces the locals out into other slums. It causes housing prices to sky rocket and its only really sustainable in areas where the property's appeal never changes. The natives in hawaii have to deal with having their land bought out from under them. (primarily wealthy japanese at the moment, though rich Chinese have started buying up as much land as possible in the USA, often leaving the buildings completely unused.) Anyone who can't afford to live somewhere gets forced somewhere else. This doesn't solve the issues you see in slums. (Substance abuse, criminal behaviour, etc) it just forces them out of the public eye so tourists don't have to deal with it.

All the positives, as usual, go to the upper classes. All the negatives go to the lower classes. If you're in one of the tourist zones maybe you can make money off the tourists and get out of the slums so perhaps I'm being hyperbolic.

If you're in an innercity area where business types try to gentrify the area to increase the value of their land its a net-negative because inevitably no one in the local community can afford to live there and if you don't have someone BUYING that land or USING it what's the point? The price plummets when no one can afford those shitty overpriced condos and everyone suffers.

>>90407456

but it portrayed mexican mice as lazy.

>>90404932
You complaining when you aren't concerned in any way is bad taste. Stop patronizing other culture, fascist pig.

>>90413091
What's the problem with that?

>>90407617
>be euro
>be taught euro history
HOW DARE THEY

>>90404932
Hercules

op is a faggot

>>90406452
Why anyone would want a Maeve toy is beyond me.

>>90404932
Yeah, kind of. Since it came from people who still struggle to have their own nation after it was claimed and taken, things like this sort of add insult to injury. But Disney tried really hard; check out the credits with all those cultural consultants. Yeah, they profited from it, but they promoted their culture in a positive light.

>>90404932
Polynesian people being mad about Maui having action figures is like if I (as a chinese person) was mad about Mulan underwear

>>90413853
>Yeah, kind of. Since it came from people who still struggle to have their own nation after it was claimed and taken, things like this sort of add insult to injury.
Get fucking help, white pig. Stop acting like non americans are child brained pets in need of your superior protection and wisdom.

>>90404932
The only people who would think this way are white people ridden with guilt over something they shouldn't be concerned about in the slightest

>>90405058
A lot of Greek media hated Hercules when it came out for profiting off their history and culture

>>90411871
Reminds me of how Mark Zuckerberg sued Native Hawaiins for their land. He dropped the charges after protests, but the fact that he sue people off their land is fucked in itself.

>>90415420
He did that? The fuck

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>>90415437
>tfw this was within the last few fucking months

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/27/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-drops-lawsuits-in-hawaii-to-force-land-sales.html

>>90415411
That's just because they wanted in on the drachmas though, let's be real.

>>90414946
It doesn't take a genius to realize the US annexation of Hawaii was mildly messed up.

In the long run it could be argued it was generally beneficial, but the circumstances were still iffy.

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>>90415529
>>90415411
>>90405102
I can't be the only one who finds the in-universe commercialization of Hercules absolutely hilarious. Just kinda goes to show how businesses would act if monsters were real and you had a demi-god beating the shit out of them while flexing his muscles.

>>90415507
He might've dropped the suits getting him their land but he still has a ton of walls set up locking people out of land

He should run for president

>>90415536
Didn't a US fruit company take it over? Like how a British Tea Company apparently acidentaly took over India.

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>>90415565
Yeah it's one thing that sometimes seems a bit under the radar in cape comics.
You got kids with the Spider-Man backpacks and whatnot, but rarely do the heroes use the commercialisation of their image to make some dough, with some exceptions (Booster Gold, Wonder Man, Deadpool at one point, and comics that themselves are real life ads like pic related).

>>90415579
kek imagine if Trump asked him to donate those walls to the border project.

>>90407456
and then there's is brother slowpoke

>>90415617
Basically businessmen wanted to have better conditions for fruit imports and other imports, and knew the US would have more lax taxes and restrictions, so started a military overthrow and basically begged the US to take it over.

>>90415648
I really think there's a lot of unexplored ground about the economic, societal, and cultural implications of having superheros and world destroying/conquering forces in action constantly.

There's the obvious "THE SUPERHEROS CAUSE DAMAGE TOO WE GOTTA REGULATE THEM" plot they do every once in a while, but I'm talking more about the nitty gritty details of the average person's opinions on this constant power struggle that results in so many damages and causalities.


How would you feel coming home to see your son who you know loves the Avengers, sees them as his protector, and has drawn them and written stories about them, only to tell him his mother died because The Hulk had to pick up a car to slam into some villain's face and she was in it?

>sit on a rock for a millennium
>young, nubile, brown, hot-pussied QT sails up to you with her cock
>break into song and dance
>stick the girl in your hole
>leave the island with the cock
Was Maui a faggot?

>>90417165
Wouldn't be surprised if there was some porn where Maui hypnotizes her into doing a bunch of shit

>>90417272
>hypnotizes
What? Which film were YOU watching? MAYBE he has some slight illusionist power, but I think all that happened during "You're Welcome" is that she got lost in the moment of him performing and let herself be led.

Also, surprisingly, Moana porn is rather scarce. Half of the hits on Paheal are a comic by one of those Toon Reality guys (pretty meh).

I don't get that, her design and the animation were really good. They really made her one hot brown athletic girl. And her character was pretty fun and energetic as well.

>>90418112
It's because she's pure and not for sexual.

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>>90418327
Nope

>>90418112
How about porn where he's singing "you're welcome" as she cums?

>>90416709
>The Hulk had to pick up a car to slam into some villain's face and she was in it?
this would never happen bendis

>>90418356
T-that's just a traditional dance.

>>90418606
It's also extremely sexual, which is why white men went to Hawaii to fuck polynesian women

But then mcdonalds got introduced and now they are no longer attractive

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>>90418662
>McDonalds
This might have ruined their looks, but it were the Christian missionaries who've ruined their attitude.

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Meanwhile absolutely no one is complaining about pic related. And yes, there are Scandinavians who still believe in the Norse gods. They just think it's cool that even dumb Americans know Thor and Loki now, even if google searching them now only turns up the Marvel versions.

The "poor culturally appropriated indigenous peoples" need to shut the fuck up and be happy that their cultures are getting a rare spotlight.

>>90415648
In Ultimate Spider-man, Peter can't make money off his own merchandise because Kingpin trademarked Spider-man just to spite him. Any time Spider-man shit gets sold, Kingpin makes profit and there's nothing Peter can legally do to contest it without revealing his identity as the creator of Spider-man.

>>90418775
Yeah man not being executed for breaking taboos really ruined Hawaii.

CONSIDER THE COCONUT

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>>90404932
>does anyone else feel like the merchandising of a folkloric hero held in such high regard may have been in bad taste?
I mean, I guess?

That said, if they don't want movies about their folkloric heros, I'd definitely be willing to see movies about MY own. If they don't want them, I'll take em.

>>90405058
I'm gonna guess it's because Maui is from a culture that's still around after surviving nearly being wiped out by colonization. Ancient Greek civilization just kind of died out on its own, and I don't know how Author was viewed at the peak of his popularity (because he does sound kind of similar to Maui in terms of importance) but it's sort of the same thing there, his relevancy faded away on its own accord.

That said I've heard the same that Greece wasn't too happy with Hercules and China wasn't with Mulan either.

>>90404932
I'm more offended that he jobs literally every fight he's in desu

>>90418798
>absolutely no one
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>90404932

Didnt watch it lol :)

Identity politics goes both ways.

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>>90418994
>and I don't know how Author
*Arthur, damn it.

>>90404932
I dunno. Do you think it's bad taste for characters like Hercules and King Arthur to be merchandised?

>>90418904
Yeah, being executed for being a witch or heretic was loads better. And good thing they made them cover up their breasts as well, only faggots want to see boobs.

>>90405131
>but if someone is you can't exactly blame them.
Fair enough, but at the same time, if they're gonna get offended, don't expect people to try and make movies for them.

Kind of works both ways.

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>>90419012
YOU CAN TRY, TRY, TRY,
BUT YOU CAN'T EXPECT A DEMIGOD TO BEAT A DECAPOD
(Look it up)

>>90419163
>>90419163
>I believe that we'd be in space if Christianity didn't exist: the post

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>>90419521
YOU WISH YOU WERE NICE AND SHINY

>>90419538
>the Spanish inquisition did nothing wrong

>>90418356
Is Moana the first /fit/ Disney "princess"? Even Mulan retained her slender frame regardless of training.

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>>90404932

>>90418994
China isn't happy with movies like Mulan because they are offended by them, they are angry that the West is creating more cultural products that make a lot of money based off China than they are. Didn't the Chinese Government have a conference on why Kung Fu Panda was a success? Man, China is getting shown up by Poland in government sponsered media being exported.

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>>90405102
>Greek movie
>Hercules
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HERCULES IS ROMAN YOU FUCKS

>>90420504
Moana would be more built than most, if not all Disney princesses

>>90404932
>does anyone else feel like the merchandising of a folkloric hero held in such high regard may have been in bad taste?

No. I think tumblr trash should go back to tumblr. Goodbye.

>>90422291
Hercules and Herakles are the same person.

So did Maui steal the heart for himself, like Gramma said, or did he actually plan to give it to mortals?

Do you think when she got older Maui gave her the Demi-D?

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>>90406094

>>90404932
Hey, gotta teach dem kids about folklore somehow!

>>90406147
Not at all, I can only speak as a Hawaiian (Hawaiian culture has Maui as a figure) but our gods are only seen through a cultural perspective now.

>>90425788
He stole it because he wanted to give it to mortals as a gift, with the hope that they would accept him now, unlike his parents did when they threw him away.

>>90404973
>not buying a jesus action figure and team him up with your WWE toys

>>90406119
without the resorts we'd just be chilling in huts fishing on the beach

>>90426407
Stop trying to make Consider the Coconut a meme

Moana is like less-slutty Chel

>>90426603
How would people react today if Moana had a scene like Chel did where it's heavily hinted she was sucking a dudes dick?

>>90427365

Depends. Some would say "sexualizing is bad, how dare you" others would go "good on you Moana, controlling a literal demigod with just a BJ."

>>90427852
Well Moana's like sixteen and Maui's thousands of years old probably. There'd be quite a bit of outrage

>>90428077
>old enough to set out across the ocean and face deadly threats
>not old enough to fuck
That's America in a nutshell.