>DC constantly gives attention to a Robin that people disliked

>>90364817
She is not even considered a member of the Bat-Family in the other books that aren't Detective Comics

>>90364817
Good riddence. I never understood why some people even like her.

>>90364817
Because the writers believe that Barbara is good and not the piece of shit she is.

>>90364817
>people buy books with the Robin they hate
>they don't buy books with a Batgirl they like

>>90364817
she sucks.

>>90364817
Just because you weigh the same as a crowd doesn't make you "people"

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>>90364817
Bat family is no girls allowed...except for Barbara of course

Isn't she overpowered?

>>90366465
Barbara isn't bat family, the kids, Alfred, the pets and Bruce are, Cass you could argue Jean Paul used to be too but the fact.

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Jason is popular with 13-year old edgelord gamer-types.

>>90367653
>Barbara isn't bat family
Are you retarded?

>>90367653
>Barbara isn't bat family
wat?

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>>90365163

That's kind of the point currently in her arc in Tec. That the only people she was around constantly was Harper and Stephanie.

With Stephanie having a breakdown and going, "WILD CARD BITCHES!" to the team. Cassandra finding it harder and harder to live as she's been trained. Harper meanwhile, has an inkling but Cassandra is more terrified of her because every time she looks at her she see's the daughter of the woman she murdered.

Yes, that's kind of the point since she NEEDS someone to help her. She needs family. Will Shiva heal her or not is the question.

>>90366640

Hardly. She's a tank, but put her against someone like the Scarecrow, Riddler, or Hugo Strange and watch them coast around her.

That and she thinks only of the mission, not of having a life beyond it. Compared to say Dick, Tim, Harper, Duke, and Stephanie. Really her and Damian are the only two who give a flying fuck of a life beyond vigilanting.

>>90364817
How is he getting more attention than Cass?

>>90368552

I think the OP is referring to Jason getting into video games and animated fare (movies, and TV show cameo).

While Cass got stuck in shitty video games (and getting put into the mobile version of a popular one but then again Jason wasn't even in it to begin with), 1 five second cameo in JL (if you think it's her), and basically Barbara getting shoe-horned in at any shot being Batgirl.

Least, that's what I think OP is going for.

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>>90368006
>>90368040
I think they're referring to the fact that Bruce adopted Cass, which he of course never did for Babs.

I do sort of miss the old chemistry she had with Bruce. They had a fairly unique relationship.

>>90368628
I suppose, though I don't really see it. When I asked, I was thinking of them in comics, where's he's basically just there.

>>90366465

Kate and Barbara were both shown as core Batfam in the last Batman issue.

>>90364817
>Hero turned villain turned anti-hero who's relatable and actually has motivations and a goal
>Femme fatale that used to do ballet trope
Under the Red Hood was amazing and is basically how I got into comics. All I see of Cass on this board Is her doing kung-fu shit and that one sequence where it's implied that she had sex with Bruce. You all have yourselves to blame for making her seem boring as fuck.
I have no doubt that she is probably a compelling character, though. Hope your the characters you like get some good treatment.

>>90366640
Can't see beat Batman in a One v One how big of an accomplishment is that anyways?

>>90368628
I thought he was talking about Damien.

>>90366415
They don't make or sell books with the Batgirl I like.

>>90368641
>eyebrows
whew

DC kept milking the Jason death thing the way Spiderman milked the Gwen Stacey death. Since they never let anyone forget him but everyone hated him, they brought him back as a villain. People actually liked him as a villain so DC kept using him. Since they can't justify him sticking around as a villain without getting killed or his ass kicked all of the time, they made him an anti-hero.

Cassandra had a great run but DC fucked her up with One Year Later and kept fucking her up to the point that there was almost nothing left to salvage, resulting in the need for a clean slate when they finally decided to bring her back. Unfortunately, because someone has a hard on for Barbara, they can't have Cain take up as prominent of a role as she originally had.

>>90369018
Red Hood fags are the absolute worst, the most casual of casuals. I always expected the only reason you were all ultimately on this board was because of one movie.

>>90370348
Totally, is not as if /co/ is the pleb center of 4chan and friendly to casuals.

>>90369529
Give another year or two. Barbara's comic is failing. They'll realize the mistake eventually.

>>90364817
>it's a "Cassfags whine and distort history" episode

Friendly reminder that she's a failure as a Batgirl and no amount of "muh powerlevel" whining can change that irrevocable fact.

>>90370769
It really is too friendly to casuals in general, you're right.

>>90369084
Morrison's plan was always to kill him off. It was actually that the fans liked him enough that they brought him back.

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>>90364817
Why are 90s character fans so terrible and whiny?

>Kylefags
>Wallyfags
>Dickbatfags
>Cassfags

All of them simply HATE every character to hold the title before and after their XTREME legacy replacement's run. Is this part of the "proud 90s kid" phenomenon, where they've made the era they were raised in the center of their identity and simply must inform everyone that their childhood was better than everyone else's?

>>90371127
It's often because the characters either had a good long run and are better than their predecessors (Wally, Cass) or were interesting concepts that didn't have enough time to shine (Dickbats).
With Kyle, he was in the best modern Justice League run and was the only GL for a while.

>>90371012
I'm a bit confused. I personally don't like how Cass generally fails in her individual stories, but she did beat Shiva. That was a thing.

>>90369018
I think they are talking about Damien... again, what I thought.

>>90370951
It hasn't failed despite 6 years of mediocre stories, man. I don't think Babs is going anywhere, sadly.

>>90368295
I love this description of "The Victim Syndicate." I should start using that: "WILD CARD BITCHES!"

Literally just fucking make a "Black Bat" comic.

DC can keep their Babs hard-on, and I get my Cassandra.

Jesus fuck.

>>90371127
Wally was the Flash for two decades before movie synergy and nostalgia demanded Barry's revival. Pretty much everything people like about Flash comes from Wally, while Barry was like Kirby X-Men in terms of how simplistic he was. Before Barry got brought back you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who actually dislikes him, as much as you'd be to find anyone under the age of thirty who preferred him.

The speed force, friendly rogues, Zoom, sass, hunger, ect. comes from Wally.

>>90364817
>Currently the central character of Detective Comics arc
>Solo book ran for seven years
>Complains because Red Hood has had a team book despite not lasting as long in its multiple incarnations

You autistic jackasses make me want to hate the character out of spite. Anything less than renaming DC Comics "Cassandra Cain Comics" isn't enough for you.

>>90371480
To be fair, the "Evil Cass" arc and subsequent mishandling of the character was pretty egregious. And no one has ever admitted it was a mistake.

On the other hand, I think it's incredibly unlikely that Tynion will let that happen again.

>>90371480
In fairness to OP Cass Cain was originally not in the cards with the New 52, and was probably only added later because of fans like him incessantly lobbying for her return.

>>90371480
Batgirl Vol 1 (Cassandra Cain) - 73 issues
Batgirl Vol 2 (Cassandra Cain) - 6 issues
Batgirl (Stephanie Brown) - 24 issues
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) - 53 issues
Batgirl Vol 2 (Barbara Gordon) (Rebirth) - 8 issues

Yeah, Cassandra's gotten the short end of the stick for sure...

>>90371607
That's what Snyder and Tynion said about both Cass and Steph with the Eternal series. Though I'm pretty sure Tynion would have brought both back anyway, cause he's a 90s character fan.

>>90371651
That's not completely fair. Babs and Steph have tons of other issues.

I still need to go back and check the sales for Cass's solo.

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I just want a Babs written like Oracle back as Batgirl. You can keep this Burnside imposter away from me. Which is sad, cause I love me some Babs.

Cass is cool too though.

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Though many young women have worn the cowl—from unassuming librarian Barbara Gordon to deadly mute assassin Cassandra Cain to teen vigilante Stephanie Brown—all have made their distinct mark on the DC Universe.

I hope is better than the flash one.

>>90371745
What do you mean by "Better"?

>>90371683
Solo issues? No. Cassandra was the first ongoing solo that any Batgirl ever had. Barbara starred in occasional one-shots of anthology books like "Batman Adventures" but never her own series until the New 52.

I was generous and included Barbara's future's end and zero issues as well.

>>90371809
You're right that Steph never had another solo ongoing, but Babs had Birds of Prey, which was a team ongoing that functioned more like a solo than almost any other team books, because the team was just one or two characters. Don't forget that Babs was also a main in both of the other Batgirl books.

Reminder that Babs is and always will be a terrible character any time she isn't in a chair.

>>90371790
Flash Celebreration was mostly Barry Stories with a few jay wally and the terrible bart allen run. http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/The_Flash:_A_Celebration_of_75_Years_(Collected)

How is new Cass? Any character assassination?

>>90372035
I didn't read B&R Eternal because it looked like piss but apparently Cass was not portrayed well in it.

>>90371900
Stop putting asterisks on team books to prove your point. You're panicking.

>>90372061
What was this

>>90372035
She's been good in Tec, and barring her reintroduction, was poor in B&R Eternal.
I do love her new interest in Ballet, tough.

>>90372150
Avengers Arena.

>>90371745
It's going to be 99% babs. Cass and Steph will likely split a single page. I'll rage impotently and continue pirating

>>90364817
Wait are we talking abount damian or redhood?
I assumed damian because hes shit, now im confused about all the red hood talk

>>90371127
HEAT.

>>90372345
Collects: Batman #139, Detective Comics #359, Detective Comics #371, Detective Comics #422-424, Batman Family #9, Detective Comics #518-519, Batgirl Special #1, Batman Chronicles #5, Batgirl Year One #4, Birds of Prey #8, Legends of the Dark Knight #120, Batgirl #8, Batgirl #45, Batgirl #4, Batgirl #13, Batgirl #0, Batgirl #35.

>>90372189
Cass have a love interest other than Tim is disgusting.

>>90372496
Cass having a love interest other than justice is disgusting.

>>90372535
Cass is disgusting.

>>90371127
It's because, atleast in the case of Wally and Cass, were better overall successors to their predecessors. Wally for one completely molded the Flash mythos for what it is today. Cass fit in a lot better as Bathirl over Barbara who didn't start getting interesting until Oracle.

>>90371127
Pretty much.

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>>90372496
Cass being interested in Tim is disgusting.

Unless Steph is with them, then it seems fine to me.

>>90372569
Fuck off, Ravager.

Jason's a lot more interesting because of how messed up he is/was (I haven't really payed much attention to the newer comics).

But when Jason came back from the dead, he was completely insane and pretty much a villain, then later an anti-villain, and then an anti-hero. Also Jason is another handsome pretty boy and Cass isn't really drawn as being very/nearly as attractive.

>>90364817
I read here once that the majority of the votes was actually for not killing him off,
but the writer on batman at the time fucking hated robin
Dont know if this is true

>>90372035
She didn't kick everybody's ass and someone made a sarcastic response to her, DC is dead to me.

>>90373033

I heard that most fans did hate Jason, but what caused him to get killed off was one person who was constantly voting for him to die.

>>90373181
>all scars must look like daggers and double-daggers

I hate anime conventions† ‡ † ‡ † ‡ † ‡ † ‡

Why does she wear what is essentially a gimp suit? Is she into the kinky stuff?

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>>90373386
Traditional ninja + stitches to work as cartoony expressions.

>>90373386
Helena Bertanelli wore it for a little bit during No Man's Land, and after she got a mouth full of spray paint, she added the mouth cover.
And Cass knows that it looks spooky, which she uses.

>>90373271
>>90373033
The difference between the two options was only 70 or so votes. O'Neil mentioned in an interview that he heard someone set up his computer to automatically vote to kill for several hours. Whether or not this is actually true isn't clear.

>>90373386
Because it looks cool.

Also she played "Two for flinching" with bullets, so she probably is in to kinky shit.

>>90373386
Someone post lewd Cass.

>>90373523
What an ass
In a different timeline where Jason doesnt get killed off what kind of stories would he have i wonder

>>90372617
Mah nigga

>>90373061
thereasontheyrebooted.jpg

the worst robin is still more relevant than the best batgirl

prove me wrong

>>90372035
WORDWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDSWORDS

>yes, this is surely the best way to "write" a character that speaks in body language, let's give her an omniscient mind-reading narrator for everything she's meant to convey while she stands or sits still staring at people, and fill multiple pages with those giant narration boxes

>>90374248
Yeah but that's unfair because the worst Robin is literally Batman's son.

Which Batgirl is the thickest?

>>90375155
Oracle of course. She had a long time of not being able to move.

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>>90375239
Truth.

>>90372617

Well the logical ship appears.

>>90371733
Batgirl: Year One proves that it is possible to write Barbara as Batgirl in an enjoyable, compelling way.

I just wish someone at DC was capable of it.

>>90372617
Cass is too devoted to justice and vengeance to have a steady romantic interest.

It's why, ironically, she connects so well with Bruce.

>>90370348
People who complain about the casuals are the absolute worst.

>>90369529
>People actually liked him as a villain so DC kept using him
This not true at all. A lot of people were pretty angry when DC start pushing Jason as villain in pre-n52 and Didio himself said that he got a lot of angery messages telling him that Jason is anti hero, not a villain.

>>90368006
>Jason is popular with 13-year old edgelord gamer-types
You know dude, I really can sense how bitter you are because Jason is popular. Stay mad.

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>>90368295

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>>90376912
I agree, Year One was great so was Oracle. Burnside is not. Bring back the Babs we loved DC.

>>90372617
Honestly, Cass being shipped with Tim never made any sense to me. Tim was kind of scared of her, he thought her sacrifice of any life outside the mission was unhealthy, and her near-inhuman levels of pain resistance and focus disturbed him. He didn't like how blase she was about putting herself in danger, because he did care about her...as a step-sister, maybe (he was still just getting used to being part of the Wayne family after his own parents' death when shit was going down in bludhaven, culminating in it blowing up (and Cass' series ending).

I never picked up the slightest hint of Cass feeling anything romantic for Tim, either. Just, again, friendship/not quite sure how to handle step-sibling-ness. She thought he was too soft, not focused enough on the mission, not focused enough on the fighting involved, and thus at risk of being an easy target, which lead to more concern for him than anything. Plus, she really didn't get his 'Not wanting to be Batman', because, hell, SHE wanted to be Batman.

I only really noticed this during Gates of Gotham, and that one bloody page, but it's never sat well with me. Hrm.

(I like both Tim and Cass, and Step too, to a normal extent)

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>Cassandra is currently being butchered by having her character being a scared little girl who wants to become a ballet dancer

You only like Cass because she is a hollow shell of a person and can get off to the idea of having a murderdoll under your command.

>>90379415

She's got a personality buried deep inside her I want to bring out. Her being badass is just a plus you fucking weirdo.

>>90379526
>Cass
>has presonlity
Top kek. Even a failure like Stephanie has more personality than her.

>>90379580

Go fuck yourself, we see that Cass desperately wants to interact with people but doesn't know how.

>>90371926
Disagree. I like her in Batgirl Year One and Huntress Year One quite a bit.

>>90372018
It's definitely not better, then. It's got about four times as much Babs and Cass and Steph.

>>90372345
Cass and Steph got two issues each. They were fine issues, but not the ones I would have chosen.

>>90379202
Unf, that Takara art.

>>90379580
Cass is not my fave (that's Steph), but you clearly just hate fun, anon. :)

>>90378800
I actually recall him being fairly well received during the Under the Hood arc. It was after Winick, when other writers had Todd doing straight up dumb and crazy shit, that the fan base really turned against him.

A lot of that anger also came from the fans who liked the old tradition of Bucky, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben being permanent deaths and remembered DC's old promise to never revive him. Personally, I still wish they all remained dead. Death was already cheap enough before they came back.

>>90365228

Realtalk? Cassandra Cain's core concept sounds like something a fairly imaginative, dark and brooding 15-year-old would come up with. The reason people like her was her execution in her own series, which lent her a lot of pathos by exploring (perhaps even overexploring) themes of loving but flawed parenting, forgiveness and redemption (or the lack thereof), and social isolation and alienation. It speaks to the unusual nature of Cass's series that, despite being able to beat up everyone including Batman himself, many of her comics ended in Pyrrhic victories at best.

But other writers failed to understand these subtleties, as they generally do, so she was treated as an emotionless girl that punches real good. And that's interesting. And that's also why a revival that recaptured WHY people liked her was never going to happen.

>>90382470
It was unusual for Cass to only have Pyrrhic victories - but it also made the whole thing seem more pointless than it was worth, to me. It's why, even though I went into her series wanting to love her, I came out just being really divided on her.

>>90382470

Oh, and I forgot to mention that her comic actually knew how to sell the lack of dialogue by communicating action and emotion through art. Cass was actually fairly emotional and you could see it in her body language and facial expressions. I suspect that this, being a somewhat more intimate way to know a character's feelings, subconsciously encourages readers to get to know her more as a character, thus liking her more.

But most comics don't actually understand that they're a visual medium and so suffer from >>90374688, which does not work in Cass's favour.

>>90382637
The problem with that approach was that it's really, really ambiguous, and thus growth or specificity cannot be communicated, leading to a breakdown in communcation between creators and fans, as well as within fandom itself. That's why they did the magic speaking brain scrub plotline, which was incredibly stupid (also, apparently, because otherwise Cass is a Silent Asian Stereotype). I prefer no magic, just narrative boxes.

>>90382470

Basically the same problem that plagues X-23?

>>90383556
Pretty much exactly. Probably not a coincidence they were both created in the same five year span.

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>>90382721

So you enjoyed Tec #950 then with all those narrative boxes?

>>90381020

I'm glad they got him to do most of this arc. The man gets the character of Cassandra better than 90.9% of the other artists on B&RE.

I just wish they threw Damion Scott, one of her co-creators a bone. Dude is thirsting to draw her again. Give him a variant.

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>>90365163
It would have been cool if Cass was Bruce's ace in the hole to rescue everyone for the current Bane run. Also, it would have been nice King didn't waste half the book with flashbacks of Bane and Bruce talking to their mommies and used that space to show Bane's crew being overcome.

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>>90383556

Real talk. I get what you're saying. Cassandra is a difficult character to write. You either do it good like Puckett/Peterson, Dixon, or Horrocks. Do a "good" job like most writers. Do an alright job like Gabrych/Tynion IV, but go a bit to extreme in other areas making it a meh endeavor.

Then there's Beechen/Hopeless (would he be the one who wrote the worst X-23?) level. The bottom of the barrel. The area where you wonder, "What the fuck" was this company thinking in giving this writer this character? Are they actively sabotaging the popularity?

>>90381244
Jason was very well received after UTH and become really popular. The thing is that fans saw him as antihero in UTH and sided with him over Batman so when DC tried to make him a villain in BOTC and Morrison's B&R, fans weren't happy at all and showred DC with angery letters demanding that Jason is ANTIHERO. Didio spoke about it in interview and it was actually the reason why he was given a permanent statue quo as antihero when the reboot happened.

>>90383616
Yes I did. I thought it was quite effective.

>>90383621

Eh I get the reason why he didn't or hasn't yet. It's allowing Tynion IV to explain that she's distanced herself from even Batman. It's the entire point of this arc.

Bruce and Kate need to parent up with Cass so to speak. It's weird yet oddly fitting that Kate fills the possible void for Cassandra given Barbara has fallen in.

It makes me wonder if this arc goes the way it does. Will she be a supporting member in Kate's ongoing? What will her role be beyond this arc?

It's obvious in one degree that DC is giving her a bigger meatier arc than Stephanie's and bothered to bring back Takara and the colorist for #13 of B&RE.

>>90383616
Takara is wonderful. I own the trade where he did most of the art for All-New Wolverine, mostly because he did that art.

But is Scott really wanting to do that? In his Solo issue, he said that he had to go back to his old style to do with Steph Robin and Cass Batgirl short story, and even that wasn't quite as solidly mainstream. I don't know if DC would be able to give him a shot on a title as middle-of-the-road as Tec.

>>90383695

Glad to know I wasn't the only one.

>>90383719

HIs style seemed to be mostly on point to that way with Ghost Rider. Not to mention he drew someone's OC basically as Cassandra for a commission. Then there's the whole interview he had basically wanting her in live action. for the money given Warner Bros. pays better than Disney.

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Is this the thread about Angel of the Bat?

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>>90372035
Tynion ruined and killed David Cain.

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>>90376912
I went into Simone's nu52 Batgirl run hoping for something similar to Batgirl Year One. My disappointment was ultimate.

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>>90383856

I dunno. The death was more ambiguous than Cluemaster's. If the dude can survive having his throat cut and dumped Game of Thrones style down a pit that had nothing to grapple. Then Falling down a toward a pool of lava see's like child's play.

I like to think David is someplace in South America striking up the largest of bar tab in history. Telling any hooker around him of his daughter and how he fucked it all up.

>>90383925
I thought they saw him fall into the lava.

Also, nu52 David Cain is not a cool guy at all.

>>90383684
What this dude said.

Also..

>>90381244
>that the fan base really turned against him
They didn't trun against him. They actually were very frustrated with the way he was treated and things got really crazy that even Bob Harras talked about it and tried to reassure fans that they have plans for him. It was also said that Jason Todd was the most requested character to have his own book and that was before his blown popularity in UTRH movie.

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>>90383939

This is basically all we saw. As the old rule of comics goes. No body seen, they not dead.

Agreed. He was a monster dialed to an 11. Old universe David was a monster. But he did love her in his own warped way.

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Dear lord did the later half of B&RE have horrible rushed art.

So, does her N52 treatment have any potential? What issues should I pick up if I'm interested in seeing what they've done with her?

>>90386170
Batman and Robin Eternal #13 is an ok issue, especially since it had Takara on art, but as a whole I'd avoid that series since it's utterly shit. Besides that, she's got an arc in Detective Comics that just started. She doesn't have much since she was reintroduced right before Rebirth started.

Cass is the only Batgirl I liked. Babs has always been annoying to me but Steph is a huge piece of shit.

>>90379203

This. Tim x Cass was cancerous. More so than Superboy. Plus everyone knows Steph is Cass' one true waifu.

>>90386383
Threesome.

Is there a reading list for Cass? I'd like to follow her story from the beginning and go through her time as Batgirl, she's seemed pretty cool in every appearance I've seen her in

They're invested in him for some reason and can afford to keep polishing a turd until it shines. Accomplishing that is easier than touching a character who is hard to write correctly for.

>>90365228
The last arcs of Cass Batgirl's original run was one of the best Batfamily stories. It was one of the reasons I returned to capebooks back then.

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>>90386448

>>90371127
You realize the previous generation pulled the same shit to bring back their favorites Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, and Barbara Gordon (as Batgirl) back, right?

>>90369509
The artist can't draw faces in general for shit and it's the eyebrows that put you off?

>>90386514
Also Oliver And Kara.

>>90371127
Cass is the only Batgirl with a reason to take up the role and fight. I like Barbara but she became Batgirl for fangirl reasons, and Steph did the same. When considered that way, Barbara and Steph don't even deserve to be Batgirl. The former gets a pass because of her history but that's the case for potentially anyone.

>>90386638
>implying everyone needs a dark and tragic past to fight crine

>>90383783
Links for the Scott interview? And when did he draw Ghost Rider?

>>90383829
Does anyone here read the ongoing fanfic based on the Angel of the Bat concept?

>>90388316
There is such a thing?

>>90384008
Actually, it was just the last issue. Really a shame, since Pagulayan is a very good artist, but he did fewer than 10 pages, and the rest was done by the weakest artists in the series (mostly Scot "Chunky Face" Eaton). But the Eternal series both had their lead artists stolen by Justice League (Jason Fabok and Tony Daniel).

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>>90386323
Batman and Robin Eternal #13 is fantastic! And #7 was pretty good, too, since it introduced Cass's love of ballet.

>>90386351
Why do you hate fun, anon?

>>90386687
Apparently anon didn't actually read Steph's series. "Fangirl reasons" isn't even close to the reason Steph became Batgirl. And even Babs had more solid motivations in Batgirl Year One (which, fair enough, is a massive retcon, but it's still really excellent and better than the old reasons.)

>>90388343
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10195309/1/Angel-of-the-Bat
There's also a sequel.

>>90369053

For mortals, expecially considered Batman's gender advantage in a fight. Yeah it's impressive.

>>90388293
https://www.inverse.com/article/24468-batgirl-cassandra-cain-pacific-rim-actress-dc-comics

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>>90386687
If you don't have a dark and tragic comic book past, you become a cop or prosecutor like a sane person.

>>90388775
Thanks, anon. But really, Rinko Kikuchi? She's an amazing actress, but 1) she's Japanese, and I'm pretty sure that's not Cass's background, and 2) She's way, way too old for Cass. I mean, I'd take it over no Cass, but c'mon, there's more choices than "that girl from that overrated movie all SJWs adore".

Heck, even Natasha Liu Bordizzo would probably be better, since she's Chinese-Italian, and 23.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6812060/?ref_=tt_cl_t4

>>90386351

Threesome. The only logical solution.

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>>90388834

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>>90388834
There's room in our line of work for hope, anon

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>>90388475
Unless Gail Simone is the author, that is the most masochistic fanfic writing challenge I ever heard of.

>>90388896
It has Cass with all the feelings for the girls.

Also, I really liked Simone's idea. Something different.

>>90365228
she wears dark tight leather

>>90371401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYtjpIwamos

>>90366465
Real Talk: Barbera was a more interesting character when she was Oracle

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>>90373386
The current mask is definitely a gimp mask.

>>90379203
I guess they self inserted as Tim, I never read Batman comics as a kid due to shit taste and as a result I've got no attachment to Tim as a character. Even Damian was more interesting as a foil to Dickbats.

>>90389009
Real talk: totally agree

>>90389009
Hopefully they will have Joker saw off her legs next time.

>>90364817
Funny how the Robin they killed because nobody liked him is now probably the most popular Robin among casuals.

>>90373386
It combines the ninja aesthetic with a visual metaphor for her muteness.

A gimp mask would have zippers.

>>90389942
I thought Dick was most popular with casuals because muh animated series and muh Batman and Robin?

>>90369006
That's even worse, Kate but not Cass? Fuck that shit.

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>>90389132

It isn't self-inserted. There's just a chemistry between Tim/Cass. Maybe it's the subliminal nature of putting that era's Robin with that era's Batgirl (ala Dick/Barbara).

They share a connection and treat each other as equals and there's a helluva lot of respect between the two.

In this current era, that's kind of gone and Tim's been replaced basically with Harper, who now is a walking example of Cassandra's greatest sin and why she does the good fight.

>>90392240
Dude, both of them have a ton more history with Batman than Cass. Give Cass time.

>>90371127
>Wally
>90s character

Wally had been the Flash for 23 years when DC decided to bring back Barry because "muh nostalgia." Nearly the entire Flash mythos comes from Wally's run. The fucking Speed Force is from Wally's run.

If DC wanted to bring back Barry Allen, they should've had him become Wally's sidekick. Wally surpassed Barry long ago.

>>90391251
Nah, casuals love Red Hood and he is the most popular Robin among them.

>>90392395
Sauce? Anything?

>>90392322

Exactly. That's the core concept of the current arc with Cass. though with that future Batman vs. Predator trade. I kind of want a new Batman vs. Predator with Kate, Jean, Basil, Jason, and Cass taking on a Predator(s).

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>>90364817
>Cassfags are so delusional they think that Damian was killed because of fan hate

>>90392449
Oh, man, I didn't even notice that. That's truly ridiculous - Morrison killed him off because that was his plan all along.

Because he's a jerk. :)

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>>90392427

>>90392500
Fair enough. Though I'd say that's more an underserved audience than necessarily casual love for Jason. But eh.

>>90392532
>underserved audience than necessarily casual love for Jason
I don't even know what to say.

>>90392581
Well, since you're a Jason fan clogging up a Cass thread...how about nothing?

>>90367653
There is no metric by which Jean Paul was in the Bat-family but Babs isn't.

>>90392532
Dude, do you live under a rock or /co/ is the only place you visit? Just search through the social media and you will find out how much they like him.

>>90392643
And you assume I'm Jason fan because...? But then again, don't answer because you aren't worth talking to.

>>90388521
>Batman's gender advantage in a fight

Doesn't exist in comics

>>90392449

I kind of thought OP was talking about Jason. By the time Morrison killed Damian I didn't want the little demonseed to die anymore. All thanks to Miller on Batgirl and Morrison's Batman & Robin.

>>90389009
>real talking something literally everyone knows

>>90393263
If everyone knew it, she wouldn't be Batgirl right now.