What do you think was the most retarded fan theory by far concerning

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>>90336873
fan theorys are the best storys

>>90336873
Now I actually think about it, that was very retarded in many levels.
We should add a rule that forbids all the all characters are dead/purgatory, lost episodes and St Elsewhere shit.

>>90336873
I never really looked closely at that art, because the idea of it being real was too stupid to acknowledge. But holy shit, how could the people who believed Aang = Amon use that image to defend their theory? The arrow isn't evenly drawn, and the shadow on the right side of his face looks completely inconsistent with the rest of the shows art.

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>>90336873
>HE'LL COME BACK! RIGHTCLOPS WILL COME BACK! RIGHTCLOPS WILL RESURRECT AT THE END OF THE SERIES AND SAVE THE DAY! YOU'LL SEE! CYCLOPS IS ALWAYS RIGHT!

>>90337069
Wait, WHAT

>>90336873
did we ever find out where this image came from? who made this?

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>>90337994
>We should add a rule that forbids all the all characters are dead/purgatory
In some cases it's a reasonable theory, though.

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>>90338045

>>90338045
Well, he was the fucking Phoenix at the time.

>>90338722
So what, you think they all just killed her when she was inside the box or something?

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>>90336873
The only good fan theory that came out of Korra was Amon being Koh.

Also that Sandbending avatar project that we had was pretty damn fun for what it was.

>>90339213
>that was 2.5 years ago
Time flies huh

>>90336873
Amon's real story was practically retarded fan theory made true. Why they couldn't make him a legitimate non-bender who hates benders is beyond me.

>>90336873
Amon being some unknown, forgotten Air Nomad would be better than his true origins, to be honest.

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>>90340977
fuck I didn't even see the year it was posted.

sure does anon.

>>90339118
The box is a metaphor.

>>90336873
Every one

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>>90337069
>I cannot look at wander/woy without thinking of that weirdo from tumblr now.

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>>90336873
Did people seriously thing Amon was going to be Aang.

>>90336873
LOL
That's fucking hilarious, how did I miss this during Korra season 1? Aang being Amon makes no sense at all.

The most recent one I can think of is people saying Connie from Steven Universe is secretly a Gem. Sometimes I think people just pick the most outlandish shit to believe in because it makes them feel smart for thinking out of the box. It's kind of in the same vein as most conspiracy theorists.

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What annoys me most is how much traction it somehow got

>>90339213
Remember that time /co/ got someone arrested because they wouldn't leak the season 2 premiere?

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>>90343244
Um, wot?

>>90343244
sauce

>>90336873
>Amon is an Air Nomad Holocaust Survivor that discovered a way to spiritbend
Still better than what Bryke gave us. Fuck bloodbending.

>>90340977
yeah it makes me want to kill myself

>>90341196
that would have been ok, because balance is a pretty cool thing for air nomads. OP's pic though represents the idea that Amon=Aang, solely because Amon could take people's bending away and the only other person who we had seen do that was Aang. Forgetting the fact that for Korra to be the avatar, Aang HAS to be dead. Uhg I hated that theory, maybe because I was scared of it actually happening.

Korra and Aang were in fact switched around in the pre-Mandela shift world.

The signs are all there. Very perceptive of you, anons.

>>90343435
It really isn't.

>>90343435
I don't know why Bryke decided not only to bring one of the most boring and OP types of bending back, but make it even more broken, to the point that literally no one, outside of the Avatar, has a chance of defeating a bloodbender.

Plus, bloodbending is just so fucking boring to watch when you know 99.9 of the characters can't even fight back. It's like watching Palpaltine using lightning against someone that doesn't know how to absorb, deflect, or redirect it.

Amon making a deal with some evil spirit entity just sounds way cooler than special snowflake genetic mutant bending ability that never explains how they block chi.

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>>90343383
It took me a while in the archives but I found it

>>90343201
It was more thought out than most stupid cartoon theories. So, basically, it was better than a comma-fantasy theory. You have to give it that at the very least.

>>90343815
Boring? Really?

>>90336873
>Paying attention to fan theories

>>90341354
i doubt that but ok

>>90344376
>He thinks bloodblending isn't boring
Yeah, bloodbending is boring because it's a one-sided match. It's just watching a person being controlled like a puppet and being tortured painfully. They can't fight back, they can't dodge the attack, they can't block it if they're not bloodbenders themselves or access to Avatar powers. They're just helpless victims until the bloodbender decides to stop. How the hell does that make for a interesting fight? It's like Luke being attacked by force lightning: just a lot of screaming and torture.

>>90341339
Is there any more to this?

I absolutely hated the "shard of the avatar spirit" theorys

>>90344736
>"shard of the avatar spirit"
What?

>>90344754
People kept on saying koh gave amon a shard of the avatar spirit and that was what allowed him to take away bending

>>90344785
Ah, that's right, what a retarded idea.
How would Koh even have a shard of the Avatar spirit?
From stealing Kuruk's waifu's face?

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>>90344719
Just this other one sorry anon.

>>90344826
That's pretty good, thanks.

>>90343872
jesus christ the internet is terrifying.

>>90336873
>I'm reminded of the asspull of Giant Spirit Korra
>I remember that Korra's father is not only royalty of one nation, but now is the Chief of another, making Korra royalty
I can't believe the writers of season 2 thought this was a good idea. Korra's parents just being a normal couple was great. Why change it?

>>90345355
Yeah, being a prince, granted a banished prince, of the Northern Water Tribe kind of undermines the whole democracy vs nobility that fueled the split in the first place.

>>90341339
This crossover would never work because either character switching places would be storybreaking. Aang is amazing at diplomacy and Korra would go full Punisher during the war.

>>90345593
It'd be a fun elseworld story even if they both end up short.

>>90342956
Explain

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>>90338045
>Hickman sidelines Doom at the beginning of his Avengers room
>Think he actually got his fill of Doom after he was done with F4/FF
>Doom is actually shown clueless about the Incursion shit
>Turns out the final bossu was Doom all along and he already had killed the guys who started the collapse of the multiverse
[/spoiler]>Saves the remains of the multiverse and becomes God Doom and steals Richards waifu and daugther
[/spoiler]>Phoenix powered Rightclops and Thanos fucking job to God Doom

Got me good Hickman.

>>90345809
Someone on tumblr who claimed to be the real life wander of WOY harassed a bunch of people who interacted or were "doubles" of wander. He was also notable for crytyping and lying about being abused and so on and so forth. Naturally people got tired of his shit and turned on him. He ran off tumblr and has been hiding on vent since then. Pic above is from a time he claimed he got beat up irl because of a tumblr post. He's a pathological liar plain and simple. I think he went by jollywander or something.

>>90336873
Joker being Robin
I get annoyed every time I hear/see it

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>>90336873
That one theory where Amon is just some asshole with hax bloodbending and cheap horror movie makeup.

I mean, that'd just be silly and uninteresting if it were canon, right?

>>90349542
How'd he do that with his lip and still talk?
Dry out the inside with cottonballs so it'd stick?

>>90349592
latex?

>>90338722
Fuck, I don't know where I left off with this comic. It was right after they lit the giant fire or after the talent show, whichever of the two was later. Does anyone know what month of the archives that is?

>Jasper is a Fusion
She's strong and her eyes have pupils. Need I say more?

>>90344826
Does she still wind up with Katara?

>>90345640
True

>>90344826
I love this au.

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>>90348301
I blame Batman Beyond.

>>90336873
>Everyone is based on a dead kid
>The show is just X character's imagination/coma

People should really learn what the term "theory" means before using it.

>>90349542
But anon I liked season 1 why do you say it was bad

>>90336873

Did we ever figure out where this came from anyway?

>>90347173

He was just making up for how badly Doom in 1610 was done.

>>90336873

Amon being Aang was stupid but him being another Airbender that hated Aang for letting their people die would have been a pretty big curveball.

>>90351518
Be thankful this movie was made. Because of how dark it was, a second Batman Beyond movie was axed, the plot of which was Catwoman stealing Bruce's DNA, using it to make multiple women pregnant, and if the family had a boy she would kill his parents until one of the children became the next Batman.

Also she has one kid on her own that she raises to be Azrael.

>>90353810

Man, they must have really been in love with that concept.

A more interesting would have been if it had been Sokka. Having him and Zuko dead in Korra was a missed opportunity.

>>90353901
Dini called it retarded because Catwoman has no knowledge of genetics and managed to rework it to make sense with the CADMUS Arc in JLU.

>>90353476
Theory has been colloquially used in this way for decades.

>>90353920
Zuko wasn't dead.

>>90353806
I was always partial to the theory season 1 would end with a gunshot.

Korrasami was the worst fan theory i can remember. It becoming a thing pretty much fucked up the show.

>>90353947
Epilogue was still shit.

If Korra hadn't retconned bending to be genetic you could've done a lot with Amon.

I always liked the theory that he was a supremely skilled chi blocker who sought out the lion turtle and learned to bend pure energy. That would've actually been a nice contrast to Aang and would've made more sense with what the Lion turtle said in TLA.

>>90354651
>If Korra hadn't retconned bending to be genetic
citation needed

>>90354934
It wasn't overtly stated to be genetic in TLA, and the idea that the original benders learned the styles means that it can't be genetic, or else it's insanely convenient that anyone managed to figure it out.

>>90353602
Because its ending was ass. It was ass beyond ass.

>>90355164
>or else it's insanely convenient that anyone managed to figure it out.
Look at Katara in episode one, she could waterbend without a teacher and mostly did it on accident. It seems there's less style needed to bend then you give it credit. Plus look at all the master fighters who can't bend and have style out the ass.

>>90355425
If all bending originated by people learning to control energy and learning from the environment then how convenient is it that all the people that thought to learn bending JUST SO HAPPENED to have the special bender genes.

>>90355491
More like Spirits gave people the ability to bend and then their kids could the LT did it first with energy then that style was lost and corrupted to what remained.

But perhaps the shows lore contradicts itself some there.

>>90343872
Wow he went from child abductor and rapist to a guy who saved orphans and helped puppies.
/co/ sometimes really changes face on people in a flash, kinda like what happened with Zuke I guess.

>>90355583
But that's stupid.

If energybenders like the lion turtle can grant chi abilities, why didn't Aang make the air acolytes benders?

Fuck, it really bugged me because I figured the show was building up the air temple refugees as being able to rediscover air bending.

>>90355711
>If energybenders like the lion turtle can grant chi abilities, why didn't Aang make the air acolytes benders?
Because it wasn't their 'destiny or whatever, the Lionturtle was a shitty Deus Ex Machina from the get.
>Fuck, it really bugged me because I figured the show was building up the air temple refugees as being able to rediscover air bending.
Lets be honest here the show was filled with disappointments. I mean that fucking rock.

>>90355849
My point was that we didn't know if bending was truly genetic or not in TLA. There were things(the identical nonbender/bender twins) that suggested it wasn't.

It was overtly genetic in Korra and REALLY stupid about it.

>>90355491
>>90355164
If people learned bending from the environment, how are there even non-benders when you can just look at the moon at night and become a waterbender?

It's a vague folklore-y origin. It's not meant to be taken literally.

>>90356632
I assumed it's a spirituality thing. We see over and over again that bending requires a certain view and mindset or it doesn't work.

>>90356695
but there are also very obvious limitations on who can and can't bend. Like even Bolin simply did not have the ability to metal bend, and Zuko couldn't generate his own lightning. I think it definitely involves having a certain type of elemental aligned energy flowing in your body. That's why chi blockers can stun benders, it's why energy bending can remove bending altogether. Even Amon couldn't completely take away bending, just block it more permanently than chi blcokers.

>>90356802
Zuko couldn't generate lightning because he wasn't calm enough. Azula could do it in her deranged state because she is the result of eugenics and was raised to be a super soldier. Zuko could, however, pull off the more difficult task of redirecting lightning.

I don't think benders are assigned a "bending score" on birth that determines ability. I imagine it's more like learning a martial art. You notice nuances and hidden things in forms you've done a thousand times. That's how Toph did metal bending, she simply found something hidden.

>>90356695
>We see over and over again that bending requires a certain view and mindset or it doesn't work.
Not really.

We're TOLD that bending requires a certain view and mindset, but it gets contradicted all the time. It only really applied during the episode Toph teaches Aang earthbending, and even then it kind comes across as trying to excuse Toph's shit teaching.

>>90356926
>Azula could do it in her deranged state because she is the result of eugenics and was raised to be a super soldier
So was Zuko. Azula could do it because of plot armor.

>>90343872
>All this
>For fucking Korra
>Season 2 no less

>>90357070
We also see it when Zuko loses his mojo and has to be retaught by the dragons.

>So was Zuko. Azula could do it because of plot armor.
I always figured that was because Zuko was written off really early as a failure, and thus never got Azula's training.

>>90356926
But that would imply that anyone can learn to bend as long as they focus and practice long enough, and we have seen time and time again that that is not the case. If it were, it would seem plausible for everyone to be able to bend all the elements. The reason the avatar can do that is because Rava holds the other 'types' of energy for the avatar.
bending is certainly like learning a martial art, that's the difference between the people in the Wan episodes who are given fire, and Wan after he learns to actually bend the fire from watching the dragon. But there is definitely a physical difference in the body of a bender vs. a non bender.

>>90357107
I mean at the time, people were hyped for season 2. People thought it would kick off an epic saga that spanned multiple seasons, because the first season had supposedly been a "test run" or something. Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose.

>>90357107
Season 2 honestly gets a bad rap. It has some problems, yes, but starting with "Beginnings" it gets a LOT better.

>>90357195
Look hombre I'm in a good mood tonight. I don't feel like making you look completely fucking wrong, so I'm gonna let that idiocy pass.

>>90336873
Is Aang called Kuba in Arabic?
Or is Amon called Kuba in Arabic?
Essentially what the subtitle says is [name], I.

However, this is incorrect; it should be أنا كبا, "'Ana Kuba" "I am Kuba."

>>90357199
>I don't feel like making you look completely fucking wrong
I fail to see how you would make my opinion "wrong". You have your opinions, I have mine. No need to be so pseudo-confrontational about it.

>>90343872
sometimes i finally think i got /co/ them i am reminded that i didn't

>>90337069
IT WASN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.

>>90357204
أيضا، الله أكبر، أنام مع الماعز، دواركا دواركا الجهاد الجهاد

>>90357138
When Iroh tries to teach Zuko how to make lightning, he literally says "to perform the technique requires peace of mind." He also says that lightning comes from an imbalance in positive and negative energy, and that the reason Zuko can't create lightning is because he has an inner turmoil. Seems weird for Azula to be able to create it while she's going off her rocker.

>>90357228
Bro, it's okay to like it but please don't pretend fucking anything outside of Bolin's fight in Season 2 was any good.

>>90357195
true that. The bits with the romance are meh, but Mako's whole whodunnit cliche police force arc is pretty good. I think episodes 2-4 drag a bit, but other than that it's a decent season. Still the weakest, but not the garbage its made out to be.

>>90357195
That's... objectively wrong. Beginnings was God Tier, but how do you fucking justify any of the finale of Season 2?

>fucking jinora saving the day
>retarded kaiju battle
>MUH DARK AVATAR LELELELEL


Incidentally my own autistic AU focusing on a hypothetical avatar after Korra taking place in the equivalent of the Cold War 70's has a Dark Avatar in it as the main villain and parallel to the protagonist.

>>90357270
beginnings was good, Mako being a police officer was good, I even liked giant blue Korra vs Unavaatu. Fight me.

>>90357266
She cray, but she's not conflicted about her actions. She just wants mommy to love her, and she'll kill however many people she needs to make that happen.

>>90357319
True, true. She still knew who she was. Maybe it's more confusing as to why Zuko can't do it at that point. Or maybe he can, but he just doesn't want to try.

>>90357270
>Bro, it's okay to like it but please don't pretend fucking anything outside of Bolin's fight in Season 2 was any good.
I'm not pretending anything. Again, I have my opinions, you have yours.

>>90357292
Yeah. It's definitely the weakest season for sure.

>>90357298
>That's... objectively wrong.
Subjectively. Your opinion is not objective.

>fucking jinora saving the day
Jinora HELPS save the day, Korra is still the one to save the day.

In any case, they start establishing early in the season that something spiritual is going on with Jinora, and that ramps up to 11 in the second half.

>retarded kaiju battle
No more retarded than Koizilla.

>MUH DARK AVATAR LELELELEL
They actually did the Dark Avatar a lot better than they could have. Not as good as they probably could have, but I don't have too much of an issue with it. Not my favorite aspect of the season.

>>90339213
>>90341339
Anyone has the cap of that "Evil Aang" alternative universe?

>>90357351
Can he even do it as an adult? I forget if he ever does it in Korra.

Maybe Zuko's just not a hax-level firebender, and never will be.

>>90357300
Beginnings was trash, with a stupid amnesia plot device that didn't even make sense, super-hypocrite idiot as the protagonist, spirits being established completely counter to how they always were in TLA, shitting all over the Avatar by giving it an origin. Mako was barely given a chance to be a police officer considering it lasted fewer episodes than fucking probending.

Blue Korra is objectively the biggest retcon and asspull in the entire series next to breaking the Avatar lore in Beginnings.

When the first words spoken at the beginning of the season are blatantly fucking wrong you KNOW you're in for a shitshow of a season. Six months after Amon, it's the winter solstice? It was fucking snowing in New York in JUNE?

>>90357356
>No more retarded than Koizilla.
Okay so you're blatantly retarded, got it.

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>>90357298
>Beginnings
>God Tier

What are you smoking, man?

It was fucking Phantom Menace and it's midichlorians all over again. Stupidly and pointlessly retconned the series into something less interesting.

Thought the avatar was a mysterious personification of the universe's will to balance? NOPE, SPIRIT BUGS.

Thought bending was a mysterious talent that humanity developed by mimicking the environment? NOPE, TURTLES.

And the worst part? Raava and Vaatu are fucking STUPID. They go against the yin/yang symbolism and the characteristics. If they wanted to get real cool, they could have dealt with the older taiji symbol.

That whiteness in the middle? That's wuji. It is the void. It is infinity. It is the source of all.

This could have been really cool to see worked into Avatar, but Bryke fucked it up.

>>90357376
>>90357379
And here comes the /co/ Korra Hate Brigade in full force to assert their opinions in a thread where Korra is brought up

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>>90357356
>No more retarded than Koizilla.
Declaring that TLA had flaws not only acknowledges that you can't defend your series properly but also that you're painfully inept at noticing obvious threads and themes. The physical bridge between the human and spirit world + the Avatar State which taps into the Avatar's entire skillset + an enraged spirit of Waterbending and the entire ocean = a gigantic fuck-you Koizilla to enact its grudge, which ends when the moon is returned, just like Heibai's rampage ended when he was shown hope for his forest.

Korra is told that a tree lets you tap into the energy of the universe, sits in it and then manifests THE VISUAL METAPHOR FOR THE AVATAR'S(not hers) INCREDIBLE POWER as a blue gundam her spirit pilots so she can punch Satan and lose until an Air Fairy does [never explained].

You're right! It totally wasn't as retarded as Koizilla. Because it was worse.

>>90357376
calm down dude, we were having a comfy thread until you showed up. If you don't like it, thats fine. I disagree that beginnings really retconned anything. Wan was not a perfect person, he made mistakes and then tried to rectify them. The whole point of the season is that the Avatar is the person who decides what is best, even if that may not actually be good for everyone. Wan did his best, he fixed some things and also made some problems. Korra undid some of the things that Wan did, it also made some problems. Balance sometimes shifts left and right before it gets centered again.
I'm sorry you're so personally offended that the rest of us can appreciate something in spite of its flaws.

>>90357484
>thinking it's one anon trashing your "comfy" thread
There's at least three of us, man.

>>90357376
>with a stupid amnesia plot device that didn't even make sense
How did it not make sense?

> spirits being established completely counter to how they always were in TLA
No they're not.

>shitting all over the Avatar by giving it an origin
Everything has an origin retard. Don't tell me you're one of those faggots that needs everything to be a mystery

>Mako was barely given a chance to be a police officer considering it lasted fewer episodes than fucking probending.
So what?

>Blue Korra is objectively the biggest retcon and asspull in the entire series
1. Not a retcon
2. If you watched ATLA you should be very familiar with asspulls m8. This franchise as a whole is filled to the brim with them.

> next to breaking the Avatar lore in Beginnings.
What breaking of lore?

>Okay so you're blatantly retarded, got it.
Ad hominem does not make your words correct.

>>90357379
>It was fucking Phantom Menace and it's midichlorians all over again.
Oh, so you're one of THOSE idiots who parrots the false idea that midichlorians=the force. Hint hint, they're not.

>Thought the avatar was a mysterious personification of the universe's will to balance?
When is that stated?

>NOPE, SPIRIT BUGS.
What? Raava and Vaatu aren't bugs.

>Thought bending was a mysterious talent that humanity developed by mimicking the environment? NOPE, TURTLES.
Uhh, it is? Turtles gave people the power to control elements. People then observed animals and learned the martial art of bending.

>And the worst part? Raava and Vaatu are fucking STUPID. They go against the yin/yang symbolism and the characteristics.
They actually don't, not really. Even though some see Vaatu as "evil" he is needed to help keep balance. When it's just Raava, and Vaatu is imprisoned, there is still war.

>If they wanted to get real cool, they could have dealt with the older taiji symbol.
I do agree that this would've been kinda cool, however.

>>90357379
Your only valid point is that Raava and Vaatu are not very good opposing forces. Vaatu is obviously bad and brings no redeeming qualities, there's no reason not to just kill him every ten thousand years. Everything else is cool tho, deal with it.

>>90357484
>>90357552
I'm more baffled someone can be content justifying shitty writing the way you are. Without even touching on bending itself:
>how the fuck do we know dying in the Avatar State ends the cycle if the cycle is determined by a parasitic spirit kite
>making the "Avatar", which is the incarnation of the world, into being someone possessed by the spirit of balance and having an opposing actually-Satan spirit, completely erasing any sort of gray morality that the Avatar had before
>spirits, previously mono-animals(bear, foxes, dragon, baboon, fish, owl) who went berserk when their domains were threatened or attacked(Heibai, WST, koi) and populate an eerie marsh of a spirit world, are now Miyazaki-mon knockoffs who are now emotional parrots of their surroundings and populate a bright Wonderland
>actually to touch on the bending thing, if bending is power given by Lion Turtles then why is their power bound to the fullness of the moon or the sun, and empowered by a comet?

>>90357482
>Declaring that TLA had flaws not only acknowledges that you can't defend your series properly
No, it just establishes that neither series is perfect and that kaiju spirits isn't new.

>but also that you're painfully inept at noticing obvious threads and themes
Nope.

> The physical bridge between the human and spirit world + the Avatar State which taps into the Avatar's entire skillset + an enraged spirit of Waterbending and the entire ocean = a gigantic fuck-you Koizilla to enact its grudge, which ends when the moon is returned, just like Heibai's rampage ended when he was shown hope for his forest.
>Korra is told that a tree lets you tap into the energy of the universe, sits in it and then manifests THE VISUAL METAPHOR FOR THE AVATAR'S(not hers) INCREDIBLE POWER as a blue gundam her spirit pilots so she can punch Satan and lose until an Air Fairy does [never explained].
The only difference between these two is how you described them.

>>90357552
>Turtles gave people the power to control elements. People then observed animals and learned the martial art of bending.
This is the part that I don't understand why people can't understand. It is so obvious. The beginnings episodes go out of their way to show Wan learning actual firebending from a dragon, and then they have the other people who can "use fire" state how Wan uses fire like it's an extension of his own body. It is SO CLEARLY different from just being able to huck fire at things. And yet still people just whine about it "retconning the origin of bending" or some stupid shit like that. It's so easy to understand.

>>90357560
>I'm more baffled someone can be content justifying shitty writing the way you are.
I'm baffled at how you can't seem to understand that just because you don't like the writing, doesn't mean it's objectively bad

>how the fuck do we know dying in the Avatar State ends the cycle if the cycle is determined by a parasitic spirit kite
symbiotic

>making the "Avatar", which is the incarnation of the world, into being someone possessed by the spirit of balance and having an opposing actually-Satan spirit, completely erasing any sort of gray morality that the Avatar had before
Raava is the Spirit of Light and Peace. Not balance.

Also, there was never "grey morality"

>spirits, previously mono-animals(bear, foxes, dragon, baboon, fish, owl) who went berserk when their domains were threatened or attacked(Heibai, WST, koi) and populate an eerie marsh of a spirit world, are now Miyazaki-mon knockoffs who are now emotional parrots of their surroundings and populate a bright Wonderland
They're both.

Some areas of the Spirit World are eerie, some aren't. The spirit world isn't exact, it's not just one thing. It's many things.


>actually to touch on the bending thing, if bending is power given by Lion Turtles then why is their power bound to the fullness of the moon or the sun, and empowered by a comet?
Lion Turtles simply altered the chi of some people to give them the power to manipulate an element.

The power of the element seems to be tied to those things spiritually. The Moon, Sun, and Comet are basically nexuses of energy for those particular elements.

>>90357552
>Oh, so you're one of THOSE idiots who parrots the false idea that midichlorians=the force. Hint hint, they're not.
They were originally. Till that shit was retconned.

Midichlorians and the Raava/Vaatu thing is actually really similar. It takes a mysterious, unknowable force and makes it into something that a character just is, rather than what they do.

>When is that stated?
It's not stated anywhere, but it's implied when we see Aang trying to finally achieve enlightenment.

>What? Raava and Vaatu aren't bugs.
They look like bugs. Raava is a literal parasite.

>Uhh, it is? Turtles gave people the power to control elements. People then observed animals and learned the martial art of bending.
Fuck right off with that. Turtles bestow instant element usage at will. Compare Aang having to train with fire bending to Wan literally just punching the air.

>They actually don't, not really. Even though some see Vaatu as "evil" he is needed to help keep balance.
They failed to get the characteristics of yin/yang correct.

>Yin is feminine, black, dark, north, water (transformation), passive, moon (weakness and the goddess Changxi), earth, cold, old, even numbers, valleys, poor, soft, and provides spirit to all things. Yin reaches it’s height of influence with the winter solstice. Yin may also be represented by the tiger, the colour orange and a broken line in the trigrams of the I Ching (or Book of Changes).
>Yang is masculine, white, light, south, fire (creativity), active, sun (strength and the god Xihe), heaven, warm, young, odd numbers, mountains, rich, hard, and provides form to all things. Yang reaches it’s height of influence with the summer solstice. Yang may also be represented by the dragon, the colour blue and a solid line trigram.

Raava and Vaatu are both mixed up and don't fit their symbolism, nor do they actually do any balancing. Compare them to the moon/ocean spirit that kept the earth and moon in place.

>>90357568
>No, it just establishes that neither series is perfect and that kaiju spirits isn't new.
ATLA isn't perfect but that's not the subject here. Korra is. Kaiju spirit WAS new in ATLA and it was arguably essential to the story. We had never had a display on that scale of what the Avatar was capable of, and showing that was a way to cement the gravitas of them. By establishing that setup and having Korra depart from it without proper justification, that makes it shitty writing.

>The only difference between these two is how you described them

Really? So Korra used the power of the Avatar to tap into her past lives and an incredibly irate spirit power to fight Vaatu? Oh wait, she had NEITHER of those when she went into the tree. Huh, I guess they were identical.

>>90357560
>parasitic
come on man, don't just throw words around unless you know what they mean. Raava actively avoided being in Wan's body until they became fused.
>Avatar is the incarnation of the world
Avatar means vessel. The avatar is a human vessel for a powerful spirit. It combines the power of Raava with the free will of a human. There is certainly gray morality with this, as fucking stated by Tenzin. Korra undid Wan's choices, because she thought there was a better way. This fucked up life for a lot of people in republic city. The avatar is subject to human error in spite of being fused with a powerful god-like spirit.
>why is their power bound to the fullness of the moon or sun
why not? how does the lion turtle giving someone energy to control an element become the limiting factor for someone's power? It's fantasy dude.

>>90357624
>Lion Turtles simply altered the chi of some people to give them the power to manipulate an element.

But that's fucking stupid. How do animals do it? How do lion turtles do it? What about energy bending? What about "all bending being the same" like the lion turtle in TLA said? What about all that shit?

>>90357635
>They were originally. Till that shit was retconned.
Nope. They are never stated to be The Force in The Phantom Menace.

The idea that they are The Force is parroted misinformation.

>It's not stated anywhere, but it's implied when we see Aang trying to finally achieve enlightenment.
So, it's not stated, and that was just your own headcanon you stringed together?

>They look like bugs.
No, they look much more like kites

>Raava is a literal parasite.
No, she is a symbiote.

>Fuck right off with that. Turtles bestow instant element usage at will.
yes, but not BENDING. Bending is the Martial Art developed by watching

>Compare Aang having to train with fire bending to Wan literally just punching the air.
Wan trains to firebend too. Or did you miss the montage where he is shown training with a dragon, and then a Hunter specifically remarks that Wan moves fire in a way that's like nothing he's ever seen?

>They failed to get the characteristics of yin/yang correct.
They don't have to. Raava/Vaatu are not LITERALLY Yin/Yang. They evoke some of it, but not necessarily all of it.

>Raava and Vaatu are both mixed up and don't fit their symbolism,
They're mixed up compared to the real thing that inspired them, but that ultimately doesn't matter

>nor do they actually do any balancing.
The world was in a state of relative peace when they were equals. No wars.

>>90357624
>Raava is the Spirit of Light and Peace. Not balance.

>They're both.
Not until fucking Korra, retard. That's a retcon.

>The Moon, Sun, and Comet are basically nexuses of energy for those particular elements.
You say pulling that from actually nowhere.

>>90357659
>There is certainly gray morality with this, as fucking stated by Tenzin.
Right, right. Having an incarnation of the world growing up human and trying to make the right decision for something as vague as balance is JUST as gray as the spirit of LIGHT fighting the spirit of DARKNESS AND EVIL every ten thousand years. I can totally see that.

> It's fantasy dude.
Then why insert another origin for the powers when the original one of learning from the moon/sun gave enough vague inspiration for why their powers are linked. It coming from Lions now makes that connection moot, and just raises more questions that weren't needed with the old answers. That's a retcon, retard.

>>90357660
>How do animals do it?
They're born with the ability.

>How do lion turtles do it?
They're born with it. Perhaps they've even existed since the beginning of time, since Raava refers to a Lion Turtle as "Ancient One"

>What about energy bending?
What about it? It's an ability only Lion Turtles seem to have until Aang.

>What about "all bending being the same" like the lion turtle in TLA said?
When was that said?

>>90357714
>>Raava is a literal parasite.
>No, she is a symbiote.
She forces you to reincarnate over and over again to fix mistakes one fucking nuthead made with a self-described purpose and lumps a mountain of responsibility on you with nothing you gain in return.
>but you can bend more elements!
Being allowed to drive a forklift isn't a gift, it's a job. That's not beneficial.
>you live longer
TO WORK FOR HER LONGER.
You play HR for the spirits who APPARENTLY now get mad at the drop of a hat whenever ANYONE gets angry and does anything, a race which infested the human world despite HAVING A WORLD OF THEIR FUCKING OWN. "Humans and spirits were never meant to be separated" means fucking nothing, Korra, when they began literally as separate worlds.
The only HR you have is your old employees who can cover your shift in a pinch, but if you get caught then fuck, you're all out of a job permanently. And dead.

Yeah, what a symbiote. You help her, and she helps you help her. Fucking great balance there.

>>90357660
>animals
clearly they have the chi/energy in their body to manipulate the elements
>lion turtles
lion turtles are animals, and really old godlike wise animals. They clearly know shit humans don't understand.
>energy bending
what about it? it's manipulating someone's chi as opposed to an element.
>all bending being the same like the lion turtle said
the lion turtle literally did not say that ever.

>>90357736
>When was that said?
>>90357755
>the lion turtle literally did not say that ever.

"In the era before the Avatar, we bent not the elements, but the energy within ourselves."

Considering the denial of elements and just energy, that's implying it's the same.

>>90357552
>if i write a lot maybe anon will think i'm r-r-right,,,

>>90357723
Wow people really don't know what words mean. ATLA told us how people learned to bend. This is NOT the same thing as being ABLE to bend. This is the distinction that the Wan episodes showed us. The origin of being able to bend comes from Chi, and learning HOW to bend (meaning the martial art that makes bending effective) is something people learned from their environment. That is not a retcon in ANY WAY.

>>90357751
>To work for her longer
bro Wan is the one who made them become fused, not Raava. Raava wanted nothing to do with Wan. If anything, the human body is the parasite to Raava.

>>90357714
>So, it's not stated, and that was just your own headcanon you stringed together?

Yeah man, totally not like it's inspired by Buddhism or Hinduism or anything.

>No, they look much more like kites
So much better.

>No, she is a symbiote.
Not really, no. She latches to humans and makes them do her shit after being mortally wounded.

>yes, but not BENDING. Bending is the Martial Art developed by watching
IT WAS ONE AND THE SAME YOU DUMB FUCK. If an avatar has an inherit ability to use all the elements like Wan could use fire bending, why do they need to train at all? It's fucking stupid.

>Wan trains to firebend too. Or did you miss the montage where he is shown training with a dragon, and then a Hunter specifically remarks that Wan moves fire in a way that's like nothing he's ever seen?
Which is rendered moot when you consider that he didn't fucking to. Nobody "should" need to train if they have the magical bending gene!

>They don't have to. Raava/Vaatu are not LITERALLY Yin/Yang. They evoke some of it, but not necessarily all of it.
You can't claim it's a grey thing about balance and give me a force of clear good vs evil. Even fucking up the basics like yang being male and yin being female.

>The world was in a state of relative peace when they were equals. No wars.
Yet spirits routinely attacked and tormented humans?

>>90357723
>Not until fucking Korra, retard.
No need for ad hominem. It just makes you look insecure

>That's a retcon.
It's not a retcon.

>You say pulling that from actually nowhere.
Are you denying that ATLA shows that these objects give people more power?

>>90357794
That's not an argument. Just because I brought up counterarguments doesn't mean you can just play the "stuttery meme arrow reply" card.

>>90357808
>Wow people really don't know what words mean. ATLA told us how people learned to bend. This is NOT the same thing as being ABLE to bend. This is the distinction that the Wan episodes showed us. The origin of being able to bend comes from Chi, and learning HOW to bend (meaning the martial art that makes bending effective) is something people learned from their environment.
But Wan was fighting people and spirits with fire bending with literally no fucking training.

>>90357779
no, it's not. You may have assumed that, but you would have been wrong. Clearly energy bending is manipulating another's chi. In fact, that statement draws a fucking contrast between the elements and energy.
>NOT the elements, BUT the energy
that's not saying they are the same thing. At all. One affects the other, sure, but they're clearly not the same thing.

>>90357808
>The origin of being able to bend comes from Chi, and learning HOW to bend (meaning the martial art that makes bending effective) is something people learned from their environment. That is not a retcon in ANY WAY.

Remember when waterbenders literally stopped being able to bend when the moon died? How exactly does that work if they merely "learned HOW to bend" from the moon?

>>90357835
You must have missed the training montage where Wan learns firebending and mimics a dragon flying with his motions. He has training.

>>90357867
>Remember when waterbenders literally stopped being able to bend when the moon died? How exactly does that work if they merely "learned HOW to bend" from the moon?
Or fi benders with the eclipse!

>>90357871
I'm talking when he first gets it. Literally a second later he bends a huge gust of flame.

Zuko, a master fire bender, lost his bending ability when he lost his anger. Wan does that shit without even thinking.

>>90357808
>Wan is the one who made them become fused, not Raava.
Them fusing at all just from touching a light is an unexplained yet essential detail, which is nonsense.
Raava wanted nothing to do with Wan.
Initially, sure, but if you remember the fucking episode-
>If anything, the human body is the parasite to Raava.
Raava's the one who soothes Wan as he's dying, and speaks over his reincarnation. She was totally in on it.

>>90357825
>It's not a retcon.
Retroactively adding things or changing them from their initial appearances is retconning. We see only Wan Shi Tong of the original spirits and the rest are these Miyazaki rejects. Changing the existing material into something that makes less sense is retconning AND shitty writing.

>>90357814
>Yeah man, totally not like it's inspired by Buddhism or Hinduism or anything.
Inspired by does not mean it will be the same in ATLA's universe m8.

>So much better.
It is, by the very nature of being factual, unlike yours.

>Not really, no. She latches to humans and makes them do her shit after being mortally wounded.
She literally didn't want to merge with Wan and said that it was dangerous multiple times.

>IT WAS ONE AND THE SAME YOU DUMB FUCK.
No need to play the ad hominem card. And it's not.

>If an avatar has an inherit ability to use all the elements like Wan could use fire bending, why do they need to train at all? It's fucking stupid.
Because being able to control an element is different from being able to BEND the element.

I can kick and throw punches, but someone trained in jiu jitsu would be able to take me down easily.

>You can't claim it's a grey thing about balance and give me a force of clear good vs evil.
We're not given a force of good and evil. We're given a force of Peace and a force of Chaos.

>Even fucking up the basics like yang being male and yin being female.
Again, just because IRL it's like that does not mean it will be in Avatar.

>Yet spirits routinely attacked and tormented humans?
Only humans that attacked them or wandered into their territory. Humans on the lion turtles were fine.

>>90357867
the only point made so far that has a shred of validity. I checked out the scene, and the scenes of the waterbenders losing their power happen when the moon spirit is removed from the water, not when it is killed. So maybe they can still bend, but just not effectively because they don't know how to do so without the moon. Adding to this, Aang/Koizilla waterbends while the moon is fully killed.

the pokemon's one. ash is in coma and etc, etc

>>90357923
>Adding to this, Aang/Koizilla waterbends while the moon is fully killed.

I don't think that even qualifies as waterbending. That was the spirit of the ocean controlling the ocean directly.

>>90357887
like I said before. Throwing fire =/= fire bending. Even Aang does this when he first starts to control fire. He just does whatever he can with it, and loses control. That wasn't firebending in the way that Wan learned how to from the dragon. Bending has forms that are effective for using the element to its fullest extent. That doesn't mean you can't use the element without knowing them. See Katara trying to catch a fish in the first episode. She has no training then either, but she can still manipulate water.

>>90357923
>Adding to this, Aang/Koizilla waterbends while the moon is fully killed.
>THE SPIRIT OF THE OCEAN AND WATERBENDING FUSED WITH THE BRIDGE BETWEEN WORLDS AND COULD WATERBEND
Yet you think that Waterbenders just decided to not try bending while the moon was red or gone. As if being out of water is what stops the waterbending power, which is stated to originate FROM THE FUCKING MOON.
>they don't know how to do so without the moon
How the fuck do Waterbenders lack object permanence and not know how to bend without the moon? How do they bend during the day when they can't see it? How can you even say something so stupid and not realize it?

>>90357904
>Retroactively adding things or changing them from their initial appearances is retconning.
We literally only see Koh's Domain in ATLA. We never see any other part of the Spirit World, we can not accurately assess what the spirit world looks like(or hell, even spirits) just from what we see in ATLA

>We see only Wan Shi Tong of the original spirits and the rest are these Miyazaki rejects.
Plenty of the spirits have animal qualities in Korra, they're not all just Miyazaki inspired designs.

I fail to see why this is a problem when in ATLA Koh exists, and he doesn't look like a regular animal

>Changing the existing material into something that makes less sense is retconning AND shitty writing.
It's not any of that.

>>90357904
>she was totally in on it
as if she had a choice at that point? she said during harmonic convergence "we are bonded forever"
clearly they are bonded forever (and forever means beyond Wan's life, evidently)

And I don't think creating an origin story is a retcon. Literally nothing about beginnings changes anything about the way the world was presented to us in TLA. You might have had assumptions that beginnings disproved, but your assumptions aren't canon.

>>90357954
Ok, you learn to play the piano using the keys. Suddenly, while you are playing, the keys are taken away. Now you can still play the piano by striking the strings with something, but that's much harder to do because you've never done it that way before.

>>90358002
Are you the same retard arguing that getting lottery numbers from the future is stealing? Because you're using the same kind of retarded analogies that don't work.

>>90357963
>We literally only see Koh's Domain in ATLA
We see the spirit world, and Aang visiting Koh in a cave. Nothing about that being "his domain."
>we can not accurately assess what the spirit world looks like(or hell, even spirits) just from what we see in ATLA
We cannot assess from ATLA which is entirely consistent what the rules are about spirits. Gotcha. When it breaks the rules in Korra, they're just new rules. Which is retconning.
>Plenty of the spirits have animal qualities in Korra, they're not all just Miyazaki inspired designs.
There's a fucking carrot. Who cares if some are animal inspired, NO spirit in TLA was less than FULL of what it was. Dragon, fox, owl, bear, human. Consistency.

>It's not any of that
THen you're not any of a rational thinker because logically, Korra's spirits break the mold and are utterly devoid of consistency with the original portrayals in TLA.

>>90357985
>Literally nothing about beginnings changes anything about the way the world was presented to us in TLA.
It completely changes the context of learning bending from animals, makes Lion Turtles far more integral to the world than they were ever made out, the Avatar has gone from being a powerful spirit unto itself into a human spirit piggbacked by another spirit, the spirits' entire portrayal as stated repeatedly...seriously, it's not ad hominem to identify an idiot as such by their terrible arguments that have no solid backup.

>>90358022
a: ad hominem just makes you look insecure.
b: lottery numbers? Is that something that was discussed in this thread, or somewhere else? either way I have no idea what you're referencing.
c: The analogy makes perfect sense, for an analogy. Why don't you understand it?

>>90357298
Dark Avatar was a nice concept executed poorly, we could've had a major antagonist through more than one season

>my AU is that Zaheer inherited the Dark Avatar spirit and he went ham with it, with "dark" or opposites of the elements i.e. How Fire can be calming, Water can be torrential and vicious, Earth can be always moving and instead of Air we get Void

>>90358051
>Why don't you understand it?
Well any analogy is inherently a fallacy. Manipulating an element with your chi is inherently unlike playing a piano. So your analogy, besides being wrong in premise, is also unnecessary because the argument is pointed at the execution.

TLA establishes Moon=waterbending power and technique. When the moon spirit is dead, the moon is gone and the only one shown to waterbend is the literal spirit of the ocean. Your argument is that "other waterbenders could have bent" without the moon, despite having no evidence of such. The burden of proof is in your court, as we can prove their bending STOPPED WORKING when the moon spirit was put into danger AND that the moon itself was affected by said spirit's state.

Also: an ad hominem would be if my argument consisted of the insult. The insult is just a bonus. Glad you identified you don't know what an ad hominem is, Einstein.

>>90358037
Except literally none of those things were specified to be something besides what they were shown to be in beginnings. for the seventh time this thread, the concept of a lion turtle giving people the ability to bend does not replace the idea that people learned to bend from animals. Here's why: Lion turtles know about energy bending, as evidenced by TLA, when a lion turtle teaches Aang how to take away bending. Now, the history goes like this. Lion turtles act as benevolent cities for humans while the world is overrun with aggressive spirits. They use energy bending to give humans the ability to manipulate elements. Then, when humans no longer need to live on lion turtles, they learn how to master bending by watching the animals who can also bend. There is a clear distinction in the beginnings episode between being able to manipulate an element, and being proficient at it. The proficiency comes from the forms learned from animals. The ability comes from chi, unlocked by a lion turtle.
Why is this so hard to understand.

>>90357953
>Throwing fire =/= fire bending
No, fuck you. That is literally fire bending.

>Even Aang does this when he first starts to control fire. He just does whatever he can with it, and loses control.
Aang also spends at least a day focusing the basics and the theory behind it, and even when he learns TO firebend he doesn't even create the flame, just uses the one from the burning leaf.

>>90358108
>the concept of a lion turtle giving people the ability to bend does not replace the idea that people learned to bend from animals
It does add another step to an otherwise seamless justification and exists as an unnecessary origin for humanity gaining that ability.
>Now, the history goes like this.
ACCORDING TO LOK IT DOES. That's a retcon and it's creating backstory where none was necessary, even contradicting existing lore, and that's why it's incredibly bad writing. Why is THAT so hard to understand?

>>90358120
Aang also spends a day learning the principles of Earthbending and the mindset before he's even able to move a rock. Spirituality and mindset was a very solid factor for bending in the original show.

>>90358088
Analogies are what, like third grade? You literally can't understand the comparison? So you're just going to try to be philosophical as if that makes my analogy wrong?

TLA establishes waterbending power and technique, yes. It also establishes that the source of all bending is energy within, called chi.
My argument is that "we don't know if other waterbenders could have bent without the moon, because we don't see them try." The only time we do see them try and fail is when the moon is in peril, not dead. And then we see the ocean spirit waterbend while the moon is dead. Where is it written that the ocean spirit's ability to bend water is different than any other entity bending water?
I'm saying that based on the info that is presented in TLA, there is not a definitive answer to questions that Korra episodes provide explanation to.
Basically, you just don't like the Korra explanations as much and have to resort to complaining about retcons because it messed up your head canon.

also, an argument can contain ad hominem without being entirely ad hominem, but by all means use your literal, exact definitions. But if you want to do that, I suggest you look up what ad hominem literally means in latin, because it is used in more ways than just "an insult."

>>90358135
And these were the most minor of bending, too. Not huge gusts of flame.

>>90358126
Creating backstory where none was necessary isn't a retcon. Jesus christ. It doesn't contradict existing lore. You may think it's bad writing, fine, but it's not a retcon. Nothing about TLA's history was changed from the Korra episodes. They gave more backstory, and some may find that unnecessary, but that TLA never said it wasn't that way. Why is is THAT hard to understand? I'm not saying you have to like it, but it IS canon, and you'll just have to deal with it.

>>90358037
>We see the spirit world, and Aang visiting Koh in a cave. Nothing about that being "his domain."
It's his "domain" because it's the area he inhabits and in a sense "rules". Which is why a lot of the animals nearby him don't have faces.

>We cannot assess from ATLA which is entirely consistent what the rules are about spirits. Gotcha.
We cannot assess the entire look of the spirit world from the small amount of it that we see in ATLA.
We cannot assess the entire look of spirits from the small number of them that we see in ATLA.

>When it breaks the rules in Korra, they're just new rules. Which is retconning.
they're just new rules, they don't break any previously established ones.

>There's a fucking carrot.
So? Where is it said that spirits cannot look like carrots?

>Who cares if some are animal inspired
I do. I, for one, like variety and creativity.

Making every spirit look like an animal would be BORING. Koh was a step in the right direction in ATLA.

>NO spirit in TLA was less than FULL of what it was. Dragon, fox, owl, bear, human.
Except for, you know, Koh the Face Stealer

>THen you're not any of a rational thinker
I am.

>because logically, Korra's spirits break the mold and are utterly devoid of consistency with the original portrayals in TLA.
Logically, they do not, They expand on the mold while remaining consistent with stuff in ATLA.

Korra has spirits that look like animals, that have similarities to animals, and spirits that don't look like one animal/normal animals.

ATLA has all three of those as well if you count Hei Bei's angered form.

>>90358206
>It doesn't contradict existing lore
How was all bending originally energy bending when the lion turtles bestowed elemental bending on people?
Why did we never see nor hear of Raava and Vaatu?
Why don't we see or hear of Wan?
Why do we see none of the miyazaki spirits?
Why can't all spirits talk?
Why do you need the solstice if you could just go to a portal?

>>90358120
Look, anyone can throw a baseball. But only some people can actually pitch at a professional level. What is so hard to understand about this? Firebending is an art form, learned from dragons. throwing fire is an ability that some people have because their chi aligns with the fire element. Even baby Korra can create fire, she has no training.

>>90358184
>You literally can't understand the comparison?
I can understand them, they're just wrong by principle. You wanna try and play with fallacies you can do better than "the literal definition", because ad hominem as a fallacy is the attack on a person being the argument. I have an argument outside of getting to call you a bootybruised autist. Watch:

>Where is it written that the ocean spirit's ability to bend water is different than any other entity bending water?
The fact that it's the ocean spirit moving exclusively the ocean.

>based on the info that is presented in TLA, there is not a definitive answer to questions that Korra episodes provide explanation to.
Their explanations are unnecessary and detractive considering this entire point wouldn't be here without Korra's additions.
>and have to resort to complaining about retcons because it messed up your head canon.
It messed up THE canon. I've yet to say anything that can't be backed up by the show proper.

>>90358206
Retcons are more than changing history, they're also changing instances with new information. Retroactively, Aang is now always attached by a kite spirit. Retroactive continuity. Look it up.

>but it IS canon, and you'll just have to deal with it.
This IS me dealing with it. Pointing it out as terrible fucking writing and garbage storytelling. It's bad because it breaks the previously established story.

I'm going to bed because missing class isn't worth yelling at a wall. You're fucking retarded and more bullheaded than Korra.
>uh bloo bloo ad hominem see I win

>>90358232
>How was all bending originally energy bending when the lion turtles bestowed elemental bending on people?
The Lion Turtle was talking in regards to lion turtles

>Why did we never see nor hear of Raava and Vaatu?
They existed 10,000 years ago, they'd fallen into basically ancient history. Only historians would really know of them

>Why don't we see or hear of Wan?
He existed 10,000 years ago

>Why do we see none of the miyazaki spirits?
We see only a small part of the Spirit World in ATLA

and Koh the Face Stealer

>Why can't all spirits talk?
We don't know

>Why do you need the solstice if you could just go to a portal?
Portals were closed for 10,000 years

>>90358244
>What is so hard to understand about this?
Because that's not a correct analogy. If bending is apparently so intrinsic then why do the forms at all?

>>90358242
Yeah, good point! You have a master airbending using airbending to incorrectly firebend! That's totally on par with this.
https://youtu.be/W5gGEWqO_Ag?t=929

>>90358232
>all bending originally energy bending
again, the lion turtle never said that.
>why did we never see nor hear of Raava and Vaatu
because every detail of a world is not necessarily explained. Why don't we know about Tom Bombadill in LotR, yet he's mentioned in the Silmarillion?
>Why don't we see or hear of Wan
see above
>Why do we see none of the miyazaki spirits
I'd argue that angry Heibai resembles the miyazaki spirits from Korra, but again. See above.
>Why can't all spirits talk?
Maybe they don't learn because the portals are closed and they have less interaction with humans? Why does this detail matter?
>why do you need the solstice if you could just go to a portal
portals were closed, not even Korra knew that the avatar was the only person who could open them. That knowledge was lost.

>>90358261
Have fun failing your class because you can't comprehend third grade analogies. Cheers, nerd.

>>90358274
>posting those garbage videos filled with opinions upon opinions upon headcanons upon headcanons

You can't seriously think those are in any way good, though-out, well-made, un-opinionated videos, can you?

>>90358296
No, just using that video's clip of Wan installing bending a huge gust of fire. And him fire bending in combat during his raid on the chus.

Both were before his supposed "training", btw.

>>90358274
Doing the forms is like practicing. Why learn to play a song on guitar when you can just strum the strings however you feel like?

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>>90342956
>>90347722
>tfw don't let stupid bullshit like this influence my view of good shows

>>90356632
didn't toph learn bending directly from moles? neither of her parents were benders.

>>90358305
>No, just using that video's clip of Wan installing bending a huge gust of fire. And him fire bending in combat during his raid on the chus.
He doesn't firebend, he used the element of fire. He only bends after he trains.

Wan wields fire no differently from Aang in The Deserter other than using it more than Aang does because Aang stops once he sees that he hurt Katara.

>>90358308
So why didn't the bending forms exist at all, even for the hunters?

>>90358333
>He doesn't firebend, he used the element of fire. He only bends after he trains.
What are you even talking about? Bending isn't one universal form for each. Toph was still an earth bender and she used a different style.

Bending, as the name implies, is BENDING THE ELEMENT.

>Wan wields fire no differently from Aang in The Deserter other than using it more than Aang does because Aang stops once he sees that he hurt Katara.
Aang goes like a day just doing breathing practice and maintaining the burning leaf. He then uses an airbender trick with firebending and messes up.

>>90358334
What? the bending forms are what humans learned from watching animals bend. The hunters never bothered to learn how to use fire effectively. Wan did, because he studied the way the dragons moved.

>>90358361
You are confusing ability with prowess. Wan was not proficient with fire until he trained. He attacked the Chu's and had an advantage because no one in the city had fire. And even then, he still lost. He then watched how dragons bend fire, and mimicked their movements. Then he was more proficient with fire.
Aang spent all day doing breathing exercises so that he would understand how to control the fire when he finally started learning. He clearly has the inherent ability to manipulate it. It's not like he was holding the leaf trying to "unlock" firebending like a video game skill.

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>>90358361
>Bending isn't one universal form for each.
I never claimed it was. I said that Wan had to train to bend.

>Bending, as the name implies, is BENDING THE ELEMENT.
By the time of ATLA, bending is the synonymous, catch-all term for using elements.

In Wan's time, the Aye Aye spirit calls the people from the Lion Turtle City "fire tossers".

>Aang goes like a day just doing breathing practice and maintaining the burning leaf.
See >>90358394

>He then uses an airbender trick with firebending and messes up.
No, he tries to imitate what the fire juggler was doing earlier and fails miserably, burning Katara in the process.

>>90338045
Dieclops more like

>>90336873
Anything in a /sug/ thread