How's Your Webcomic? #351

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag
Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/ (surprisingly not a typo)

>Links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV
>Contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>DISCORD CHAT going on,
Ask for an invite in the thread.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xPvvPTQaMI

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/

>Comics for makin' comics!
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9pf1nwwa92lbp/Comics_for_making_Comics

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+draw+comics

>>90313534
It would be overshadowed by the dozens of super hero comics.
I'm unoriginal sorry.

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Concept art of my mc

Rate

>>90315005
Did you catch my comment in the last thread?

>>90315040
Yes, thank you very much for that

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>>90305108

One of Laserwing's functions is to force me to work on coloring, so any specific problems you can point out would be good. I'm six pages away from the end of the current chapter and one of the things I want to do before I start working on the next is rework my color palette. I'm really eager for feedback so come at me.

<-Here's what my linework looks like when I draw specifically for black and white. This is not a Laserwing character, just a drawing I've done fairly recently.

>>90315538
The only thing I'd change in your place is hardening up the shading. It's so anime style it ought to be pretty much cel shading. It looks like you have switched from the softer brush you used to use, though, if I compare. It's pretty close right now to how I'd already do it, but the lighting can be so realistic sometimes that it swallows up whole areas. On the other hand your panels are so much less cramped now that there's more TO be swallowed up

>>90313534
>How would your webcomic be different if it was made in a different era?

It would be less likely to even be made. No one would accept a premise like this far back. On the contrary, if I did it in the early 2000s and kept up with it, with the quality it is, I'd probably be popular and rolling in megabucks and be seen as one of the "originals" today.

Oh well.

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>>90315635
Shading's been a weird issue for me. I was using a soft brush to start because I could literally scribble it out and it wouldn't ruin the overall shape of an object. Speed was my main concern. I'm using a harder brush because it was pointed out to me that it didn't really match the line style, but I'm still kiiiinda scribbling. I juggle multiple projects pretty much all the time, so I had been worried for a while that if I didn't cut corners somewhere, I'd never get my pages done. That's also why I was cramming so many panels on each page, but I realized that putting 9+ separate small drawings on one page was actually taking more time than 4-6 big drawings.

I don't have a lot of recent examples, but I used to use a super precise hard shading for everything, and it took me a million years. Here's something from a few months ago, even this is sloppy to save time.

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My comic with some EXTRA STUFF.

My friend help me with this.

>>90316086
I totally know that struggle. It's so hard to balance. My shit would probably look better if I put more time into shading, but some part of me says it would be the easiest thing to go back and add later, so just finish now and then decide

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Got a con in two week so, designin' stickers...

>>90316276
that's a great design for stickers. have you done stickers at cons before?

>>90316177
I push forward because I know I won't find the time to add the shading later. But if the shading is bad, I always know that if I must I can go back and fix it.

>>90316609
thanks man. Kinda of with my comics I do two versions, standard and a deluxe where you get a badge sticker and mini print for an extra £1.

These will be sold as a sticker pack though, was think maybe for £2 and you get three in a pack (third design not shown)

>>90316750
is that a profit or just recouping costs?

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On one hand, I feel I could add some more to this background to make it look a little more lived in, on the other hand, it's already going to take quite a while color and I don't want to prolong that.

>>90317399
there's a dilemma i know too well.

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So what do you guys do in terms of concept/preliminary drawing stuff? Do you do the thing where you draw every character using every expression?

>>90317073
Each sticker pack should cost about £0.49 so making 3 times profit at £2

>>90317587
there's jontron on that drawing.

And no, i don't do that "draw every character every feel" shit. I work with lots of preliminary sketches tho.

>>90317676
My god, you're right. I've drawn Jontron.

I'm interested in what everybody's preliminary sketches consist of. If there's anything along those lines I "should" be doing, aside from getting better at art.

>>90317735

And you draw arin.

>>90317735
It depends on your comic. A schoolgirl drama needs different preparations than a martial arts adventure.
Draw your characters doing the things, feeling the feelings and going the places that they will throughout the story, rather than some generic "draw 25 expressions" challenge where your character isn't the sort to ever wear those expressions.

>>90317587
I just keep drawing the characters and locations until I feel I have a good grip on them and can draw them from memory. Most of my preliminary sketches were just figuring out character designs and locations, many of which were scrapped. l mainly just do concept drawings to get myself comfortable with drawing the subject before I jump ahead to the final product.
I don't think a character expressions sheet is as important if you're the only artist working on this comic, as long as you can remember what your characters faces are supposed to look like I think you're fine.

>>90317735
I'd read a comic about an explorator jontron.

Anyway, generally speaking I draw character references, posing them to get to see how they act more than "how they look". I try different looks for them like: "what kind of stuff they like to wear" and shit. After i'm done, I try to draw eventual character interactions, ideas for the comic. Generally speaking I use my acting experience to get a feeling. Preliminary sketching is like rehearsal, as I use my characters as actors (like you see one character can play various roles in different comics i draw, in differents stories altogether)

>>90318052
>>90318025
>>90317975
Thanks guys, I'll probably end up drawing some scenes/interactions to get a good feel for how they should emote. I didn't like the idea of a stiff expression sheet either.

>>90317676
whoa I see egoraptor too
ECCH

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>>90317735
I wouldn't suggest anyone imitate me in any way, but I'm kind of proud of how I've progressed from "no preliminary work whatsoever" to "just a head and a brief expression" to this (and in some cases, full-on geometric construction (which I tend to erase lines from as I go))
and I can thank these threads for it. I got called on how poorly-planned everything looked, and put some more time into planning. and though I was reluctant to start using a larger canvas as the threads also suggested, once I did, sketching-out became more necessary AND more fun

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>>90317735
This isn't a character in any current project, but its a design prelim sketch so maybe its relevant to you?

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>>90319810
part 2

>>90319810
>>90319118
Nice, thanks, I like how you combined it with some written development, that way you have a reference for the changes you've made. He looks really cool.

>>90319810
facial proportions can be a real dick in the ass. My advice when you're struggling with that is to think about the forehead. My faces got a lot better when I started keeping the forehead in mind.

>>90316123
Dude that's pretty cool

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i've been busy with my new job but during breaks i've been updating my characters since i hadn't draw them in a while

while i don't have enough time to start making pages right now im sure that in a few months ill have way more time a and a lot more stuff to post

i think i'lll us the tumblr webcomic theme from the op picture to start posting stuff and eventually post a full fist chapter in a few months

i have never used tumblr before so i was wondering if there are any good tutorials on how themes work

i like how that one looks but i would like to know if it is possible to modify it a little bit since i have 2 comics

i basically just want buttons that link to

-Home(random drawings)
-about the comics
-comic 1
-comic 2

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"finished" half of those number cards, the stuff on the screens is just placeholder but I think the monitors themselves are pretty finalized. I wanted them to make a good set without one of them standing out more than the others.

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>>90313534
Any good tips on character development?

I'm still heavily in the design/concept phase here, so I'm kinda at "How I want these characters to look" but very little on "How I want these characters to act"

>>90325687
nice farting zerg spawn

>>90325687
i think i can help with that Mark crilley has a series on that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb1eMQ4K17Y

also i remember this interview with the creator of invader zim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bB0AMQYORk

basically it talks about how at some point your characters become people in your head, and i have used that alot when i write stories

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Only 7 or so pages in and having scanner problems, but hey, at least it's happening now, which is better than I have been doing

>>90325351
congrats, you've definitely improved, and your coloring has officially surpassed your linework. Of course that means now it behooves you to work on the lines.
>>90325687
I'd say get yourself a mental grab-bag of basic simplified character archetypes, start choosing your favorites and combining ones you'd like to see combined. Then go into the deeper choices that flesh characters out and do the same thing. but the simple stuff has to come first because that's most of what you'll be depicting in the comic

>>90325351
http://themesbyeris.tumblr.com/tutorial01 this is what I reference when I need to theme stuff on tumblr

>>90325998
is this an example? because it looks well-scanned enough
tip from me: don't leave your scanner next to a major radiation emitter like a tv (no idea if modern TVs are like this as well), it'll warp the shit over time and start giving you ribbing and rainbow lines

>>90326349
naw it's a shit photo
When I was using the school scanner the images ended up incredibly washed out to the point where I couldn't compensate for white/black balance with photoshop at all, and I couldn't change the settings on the scanner

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I wanted to practice on my new tablet and photoshop before starting my main comic, so I started sketching up a one-shot of a dream I had. I drew this mostly last night, starting page 2 now.

>>90326441
huh, washed-out... wait, your school scanner is the one that's messed up?
>>90327084
your dreams are cooler than most of mine

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>>90313534

jut finished a new page, i hope yall like it.

website: http://ggz.thecomicseries.com/

what do you think happens to comics like Preteen Demon or that one with the alien cats, and how can we all avoid letting it happen to us?

>>90328889
Would you care to elaborate what happened to them, because I have read neither.

>>90328281

oh shit i forgot her eye shadow! FIXED IT: http://jesse-the-art-maker.deviantart.com/art/GOTH-GRILL-Z-page-18-WIP-22-666458526

*this is a low kb version encase you couldn't tell, HD version tomorrow!

>>90328889
>Preteen Demon
who?

>or that one with the alien cats
what?

>>90329211
Oops, that was unintentionally vague. I meant because they both disappeared from the face of the web right in the midst of a high level of activity and indeed participation in these threads

whoops, forgot to link previous thread
>>90172575

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>>90315538
>>90316086

Sorry I took so long to reply, here's my opinion on how to improve your coloring:

Simplify your rendering. Since you are painting with flat colors, instead of picking 5 shades for each color, pick 2, 3 max. Focus on the color picks right now instead of the rendering itself.
Stop scribbling with your tones, it doesn't add texture, it just makes a mess.
Like on image 1, the artist uses two colors for skin, for the clothes, a third being used as sort of an outline, and they complement each other so well we don't even notice how simple it is at first glance. When he wants to add textures, he uses a different brush, but uses it sparingly.

Are you painting with black and adjusting the opacity for the darker tones? I am not sure you do this, but that's what it looks like to me, the colors are so boring. Try playing more with your palette, and don't use transparent brushes. Really pick a color, make the brush opaque and go for it. Avoid super saturated colors and the really dark values close to black like you have been using on your latest pages. I get it's night time, but instead of making everything super dark, change the colors to have a bluish hue or something like that.
Also try to avoid black in general, use dark reds or a dark blues, like you did on the line art for that one patreon image.
Image 2 is a page from a /hyw/ comic where the artist really only uses the base colors and highlights, but the dark red instead of black inking makes the colors pop, it's simple and pretty.

Finally image 3 is just a cool reference for serious rendering. I'd say study this stuff, but only add a more complex rendering to your comics when you are confortable with it. Don't use your comic as a sketchbook like Dewd.

>>90330491
What's wrong with using your comic as a place to experiment? As long as you don't think you're going to end up with a masterpiece when you're done and not a gradually-improving mess, which nearly all webcomics are.

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>>90327084
>>90327544
yeah I have really vivid dreams. the only reason I don't take anti depressants is they might stop me from dreaming.

>>90331010
is this comedy?

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Welp, time to apply nose to grindstone to see if I can't get this looking somewhat presentable within the next twelve hours.
Also it turns out I missed a vowel shift between medieval Icelandic and modern Icelandic and I've been spelling my main characters' names wrong for three years. Not sure what I'm gonna do about that.

>>90330551
You said it yourself, you will end up with a mess. There's nothing wrong with it if you want your comic to be your public trashbin, but if you want a cohesive work people will want to read and be engaged, you practice and experiment in... practice drawings, to just then apply that new acquired knowledge onto a project.

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>>90330491
Whenever people try to describe coloring it always feels like a different language that doesn't apply. What I'm doing isn't something I consider 'painting.' Shading is a technical process. I know where the light and dark goes and I put them there. I probably do need to break the way I do digital art, which I learned from adoptable/sparkledog communities where the process is broken up to make more easily editable templates.

Here's an example image I did a while back to try and explain what I'm doing. The colors on the side are similar to the ones I'm using for my shading right now: desaturated purple for shadows and pale orange-yellow for light. I've never shaded with black, and I'm pretty sure if I tried to it wouldn't work. Maybe layers in Photoshop/Sai/etc. work differently than in GIMP. When I was a teenager I used to shade with grays, but that looks awful on skintones so I stopped that pretty early on.

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>>90331750
re: color pallettes

This is the actual dumping ground for all the colors I've used in the current chapter of Laserwing. Currently I've been putting a layer of extra color (in a desaturated purple) over everything to make the default colors, most of which I picked for daytime, look more appropriate for night.

I'm absolutely going to have to pick better colors for my grass, trees, sidewalks, and other mundane background stuff, because most of them are a little too gray.

>>90331681
I don't know if that's the entire truth of the matter. I guess if consistency is very important to you or your audience, you shouldn't experiment in your comic, but if you've got the self-awareness and time to redo things more conventionally when your experiments turn out bad, it's not a big deal.

>>90331466
very nice environment, but that closeup of the paw looks really lazy next to those leaves.

>>90331969
In the fourth or the seventh panel?

>>90331988
the last one, that plus the mud beneath kinda makes it look like you just went 'whatever'

>>90316123
yo this is fantastic

>>90331681
eh, i think due to the nature of webcomic updates you can quickly recover from an experiment page and give your readers a heads up if you want (I forgot where I've seen this done though)

>>90331681
>experimenting makes your comic automatically awful
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>>90332004
Alright, I already had my eye on the mud there, but I'll give the fur some extra time too.

>>90332084
just started your comic
your art is very pleasing

>>90332098
Thanks, I try!

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>tfw working on a new story arc but I dont like it much. But I don't know what else to do so I keep doing it...

>>90331466
God damn that is beautiful

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I was trying to develop a comic over 10 years ago,but the form it took I found too labor intensive. I work nights stocking shelves in a supermarket, six nights a week most times. That and drawing would cripple my hands,so I went with drawing individual elements of a panel and hammering them together in PhotoShop, which would allow me to reuse parts like backgrounds and props and speed up production. However,trying to process it all was time consuming,and for half a decade I was distracted by the very entertaining creating in Second Life. I resolved to try again 3 years ago,limiting the strips to newspaper comic sized chunks,but Life intervened. Now I am forced to scan stuff directly from my sketchbook for the "content",with minimal cleaning and dialogue fixing due to a lack of free time at home. I can only go foward and do the best I can to get updates produced. After I finish this story I will continue the original plan.

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>finally finding a fast, reproducible and good looking colouring and shading routine.

>>90332964
Share your secrets

>>90333025
It won't be very impressive for any anon that already knows alt+shift+backspace, but the fact i can just lay in basic shadows and highlights in greyscale and pick whatever colour i want later is a big weight off my shoulder.

Two levels of shadows in hardline brush, just low opacity black. Every shade gets a very slight gradient over it just hinting at source light.

Skin is different, you can give it the hard brush shade, but also do a light, soft brush around the dark parts in a more reddish (or whatever) hue. Gives it a sort of 'inner glow' look

>>90331466
Your art has really improved since I started reading your comic, and it was unique and beautiful to begin with. Every couple of weeks I go back and read through what you have, and it's great.

So I was watching Storymind's videos on character archetypes and in one of her videos she pointed out that according to Dramatica they represent the different facets of a person facing a problem.
This made me think, what if I rolled all of those roles into a single character?

>>90331368
it's not serious, that's for sure.

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>>90332942
That's overdesigned and too detailed. It looks really noisy. Think of the composition of each panels as a movie shot: what do you want to show? What are the most important stuff you wanna see in that?
The fact that backgrounds and characters have way too much details clutter the panels on your comic from what I see. It looks busy more than anything. If i'd were you, I'd put more emphasis on characters, composition of the shots than what I need to see. Also dat awful speech placement. I've got no fucking clue on how to follow that conversation.

>have time to work on comic today
>woke up with a sore throat and a fever

Goddammit.

>>90337092
how it's gonna stop you from drawing man.

>>90337193
I'm in pain. And my head feels full of cotton. I do not trust myself to make anything of quality with a fever. I think I'd trust myself drunk more.

>>90337223
dude get some aspirin and roll with it. Plan stuff, scribble ideas, come up with stuff to plan your comic.

>>90331681
If nothing else, I agree with you.

>>90337223
Fever might get in the way of fine details and precision inking, but if you can manage to get your pencil to the paper without dying, it's a decent place to be for thinking up interesting compositions for pages and panels. You'd have to review things later when you're clear-headed, but you might get some good stuff.

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>>90337576
he's right. You can do plenty of stuff.


Working on the inking of the last page. They play a gig. I hid some easter eggs on my page.

>>90331010
i've had deeper dreams on my antidepressant
>>90331466
you're still putting more work into scandinavian orthography than literally anyone else

>>90331681
Thing is though, you chose to single out Dewd... if anyone here is suffering from the desire to be consistent over improved, it's him. Yeah he keeps using the comic as a guinea pig, but when an experiment fails, he abandons it after a few strips. When it's an improvement but also a departure, sometimes it's hard to convince him to hold onto it.
You read any webcomic's archive, you're going to see a huge shift in quality from beginning to end. It's unavoidable.

>>90333572
What setting do you find works best when you overlay shadows of a particular color on top of a work, instead of picking each shading color for each color-segment of the object to be shaded? I've never quite gotten any of the suggested layer settings to look right. Usually they'll shade some colors properly but not others.
>>90336383
Oh hey it's you! Is this what you're calling yourself now?
>>90336776
Yep that is what it was like..
>>90338458
Your art reminds me a bit of Ethan Nicolle's

>>90338959

yeah why not I don't really care. might use that name a few times but i dont wanna be a namefag.
and thanks about the ethan nicolle comparison, i wish i had his talents lol

>>90332715
Thanks!

>>90335057
>people reading it more than once
Ah, that's music to my ears, Anon. I always hoped I'd make up for how long I spent on each page by having people read them more than once, and I'm pleased as punch to hear it's working out in your case.

>>90338755
Well, I'm glad to hear you say that (I think some linguistics professors, like the one who made the video that made me realize my mistake), but you cannot imagine the amount of butthurt I am experiencing now that it turns out "Skalmold" is actually closer to the proper pronunciation of "Skalmǫld*" than "Skalmöld" is.

*it's like the "o" in "dog"

>>90339885

Crap. wrong tab

>>90339357
oh wait I mistook you for someone else who sketches in one-pixel lines, I think
>>90339803
you lucky bastage.
so it's mald rather than muld?
if the change you need to make is just the accent mark on the O, I bet you could go back and change that with relative ease. Or you could just silently retcon it, the way TMNT did with mich(a)elangelo

>>90339803
Oh, if that's the case I don't think anyone would notice if you went back and just adjusted that letter when it appears

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>>90336383
Dongshit?

The word ballons could have been better arranged,but the panel structure had to be so to set up the joke. The backgrounds do not obscure the figures,and this next page shows how they were reused.

And it was the first chapters of the grand experiment,and someday I will continue it.

>>90340132
Don't kid yourself

>>90340132
That is some really classic illustration looking stuff there. I can't decide if I like that or not, but I definitely find the actual characters ugly. I can tell a ton of work went into it though, and you get my respect for that and then some.

>>90340011
>you lucky bastage
Eh?
>mald rather than muld
...Probably? It depends on how you pronounce those.

>>90340103
Yeah, that's probably what I'll end up doing - just not sure if I should change it to ǫ or o.
On the one hand, modern English O does cover the sound and won't have a first time reader going "huh?" when they see it, but on the other, it'll probably get read as the O in "old" rather than the O in "odd" and using ǫ might enhance the foreign flavoring for some readers.

>>90340635
in reference to people re-reading your comic. I think even the greats don't get that very often

>>90340675
I'm pretty sure that people only reread comics that end abruptly without a satisfying conclusion. A, what could have been, sort of read.

>>90340635
Honestly I doubt any english-speaking reader can avoid rhyming the girls with old, it's just how we read. Short of changing it to an A, you're just going to have to accept that limitation of the audioless format. My knowledge of scandy goodness is limited to knowing how to pronounce ö and that's only because of Björk. and just try finding anyone that doesn't just say byork instead of byerk in this country.

>>90340132

line weight is all over the place. I like the design, as it evokes some nostalgia for me from classical illustrations from books, but yeah. You put too much details in each pictures, while the anatomy is kinda wonky, it's jarring seeing the trendemous level of details you put on your characters. also the fact that the lines for the backgrounds is way too bold compared to the character line is looks way off. You need some real work to harmonize your stong points but you're close to be real excellent.

>>90340701
oh I've never done that, but once in a while when a comic comes back from hiatus I go back and refresh myself.
the last comic I can remember re-reading, aside from perennial classics like Kid Radd or things like Bob and George which had the foresight to "run reruns" on the site after the comic ended, is Never Mind the Gap, because its ending makes the subsequent re-read feel completely different

>>90340722
Yeah, probably - heck, English doesn't even have a single proper "O" sound* in their entire language, so it really would be asking too much.
I'll probably end up going with ǫ so the norseaboos who bother learning how it's supposed to be pronounced can feel like they're part of a special club and so I don't have to admit that I was actually more wrong than all the people who spelled it "-old" all this time.

*Scandinavian O is like Spanish or Japanese O. I can't think of an English example - I honestly don't think one exists.

>>90340675
>>90340701
I think it depends a lot on length and how episodic it is - I've only read Berserk once, because man that thing is long as hell, but I'll go back once or twice a year and reread most of Yotsuba&!

>>90341330
O seems pretty proper but if you look at it carefully it is a dipthong of uh and oo, so yeah you're right.

but uh, spanish, japanese, and english O are the same as far as I can tell.....
>rereading yotsuba
that's not a bad idea. it'd make it less excruciating waiting for updates

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Quality vs Frequency.
Is it better to have:

1. Painted or rendered art, moderate panel count, but updated one page a week

Or

2. Low panel count, lineart and limited color (like pic related) and updated 1 page a day.

Thoughts?

>>90341512
Spanish and Japanese do have a some O-sounds that are pretty close to the starting sound of the English-O diphthong now that I think about it, but the sound I'm thinking of is this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-mid_back_rounded_vowel

>>90341819
I'd say the latter, of the story is good, the former if the story is meh, but you can draw well.

>>90341819
I can't speak for which will get you more readers, but as a reader I'd prefer quality over quantity.

I've heard of a few comics that put up one page per week but upload a version with more panels of that page finished daily. Maybe that would give you the best of both worlds?

>>90341819
Split the dif, man. A comic like this, yeah, 1 page a day would be okay because so little happens per page, but most comics, 1 page a day is excessive. it means you're likely to miss an update if you check later in the day than usual or something.
but 1 a week I think is a bare minimum for any comic

>>90342006
ahh yeah. see I've never gotten into that ipa thing, I say a sound is a sound, and modifying it with how you move your throat is just a variant on that same sound. But I guess it all depends on what language you're raised in if you can distinguish them well enough to use them as separate sounds in a language with different meanings. To me that thing is just a half-swallowed O, like you'd hear a canadian use in place of ao, or just the sound you make when hit in the gut

>>90342114
>>90342286
>>90342650
Thanks! I'm thinking maybe 3-5 updates a week and only rendered splash pages or covers. I think I would hate to be forced to paint and render mundane shit on a regular basis.
>>90342650
>it means you're likely to miss an update
I'm setting up the website with a friend, I wanted to have each chapter on a separate page and have the latest page upload below the last one so when the chapter is complete you can scroll through it entirely. Is this a bad idea? Chapters are only around 20 pages.

>>90313572
>http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
doesn't work remove it from this copy format

>>90343195
it doesn't seem like a terrible idea at first, but think about it: what about new readers starting from the beginning? they'll have to scroll UP to read it?
>>90343202
note to whomever makes the next thread

>>90343202
Works for me, though it redirects to what I can only assume is the new URL for pixelovely, https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
Best put this in the OP instead

>>90343310
The latest update is at the bottom so new readers will start at the beginning, but so will old readers, which I hope won't be too irritating to scroll to where they left off. I was thinking about a "go to latest update" button but this might spoil readers if they missed an update.

>>90343823
OH you did say below
uhh no dude because when people like me check the site daily, we'll see page 1 of that chapter every day and have to scroll down to actually see whether it updated. I'm glad you're getting creative but I don't think these ideas are gonna work very well for the several things a webcomic's front page needs to accomplish

>>90343823
I know either Tapastic or Webtoons has a script that automatically saves how far down you scrolled on the page last time you visited the site.
I don't know much about web design, but maybe you could copy that?

>>90343897
Hmm I'm probably getting ahead of myself thinking of how it should read when completed. Good thing about working with a web designer is we can try a whole bunch of things.

>>90330491
Hey, can I have that first picture, I like it a lot.

>>90341819
It depends on if your "1 page a week" has a solid chunk of story progress

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>>90336776
You told you can draw my life.

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>>90344834
Sorry I forgot to mention the artist's name...
Look up Woonyoung Jung, he has a bunch of these

>>90345006
>An entire gallery of girls with pointy hats doing mundane things, also cats.
Well why not, I guess.

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>>90340820
These pages are nearly 15 years old at this point,and back when I was only learning the forms and ways of the characters. This strip is a lot newer,4 years old,but still constructed the same way with elements drawn in pencil and transmogrified into the final strips. What I do at the moment is even less palatable:the results of dragging sketchbooks into waiting rooms and bowling alleys where I find myself half asleep and under-occupied. I console myself with the simple fact that I am adding to the canon one page at a time,and clumsily telling a strange story. Within a year or so my life will alter drastically, and hopefully for the better,with a wife and house free of the psychotic upstairs neighbors who consider it both a sport and duty to prevent me from sleeping. For now,all I explain to my readers is to bear with me and take each serving of story with its salt and spice,and enjoy the moments of odd beauty that crippled hand and muddled brain deliver.

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>>90345225
They are clearly witches, Anon
Cowboy witch is best witch

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Another one,more in keeping with a typical strip experience.

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>>90328281

HD version

>>90345006
how the fuck did those hats fit inside the car

>>90346143
magic

>>90346223
seems like a waste of perfectly good hat-magic. i'd just disappear them and bring them back once I exited the car.

>>90346574
And drive hatless? You animal.

>>90347408
You're right, that cop would throw their hatless butts in jail

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started drawing a pic of all my characters for the site im making on my free time

>>90336776
i know that feel, imglad at least i can bring my laptop to my job and draw a little bit

>>90313534

It would be made by someone who can actually draw instead of working digitally.

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Almost DONE, jeeeeez... this took awhile...

>>90351162
Nice! this is so much of an improvement from the first wips you posted here, keep it up!

>>90351162
don't you hate it when your money just hops up and runs away? story of my fuckin life
this is really nice, pips. the effort shading it all was hella worth it, and at the same time, simplified panels like panel 3 are absolutely fine once you have others established. (or is that what you meant by 'almost' ?)

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Practicing more action poses. I can sit down and do a nice looking AN ARTS over a couple hours but I want to be able to get something airy and light that can still convey a lot within say, a half-hour.

This is a BIRD. Bibi is marooned on an alien world. Does anyone have any helpful advice for a birb lost in space?

>>90351599
preen yourself while you ponder your choices

this is a good style for practicing action. Watch out for things like her nonexistent left thigh and her short left arm. this is a cuuuute birdie. I'm going to draw fanart of her I can tell.

>>90313534
Check out Mr. Enter's Growing Around comic on tumblr!

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>>90351741
Thanks anon. I've struggled for a long time to try to get past a silly sense of perfectionism and to just throw something out there.
Got any tips for trying to make poses more 3D? Something I struggle with is arms sticking towards the camera. If I just make the forearm/hands big and connect it to the body it looks weird. Such as in the following.
>..
No, Bibi is pretty sure she got out pretty clean. She can thank her feathery plot armoured butt for that one.
There's not a lot of options in this poorly planned starbound ripoff, but the bird has already pulled herself out of her burning ship so she supposes that simply lying down and dying is no longer an option.
She could probably return to the wreckage to scavenge supplies. There's a little bit of exploring that's plausible, but being a member of the Protectorate rescue is surely on route. That leaves goofing off and doing action poses a good option.

>>90352565
perspective is really hard. Construction makes it go a lot more smoothly though. You make a sphere for the shoulder, a sphere for the elbow, then you just ask yourself how they'd connect. in this case her forearm seems pretty long for her body. if you try this pose yourself, you'll see that you put your elbow a lot higher, don't you?
You also seem to be making the nearer eye larger, something which only makes sense in really extreme situations

Yes scavenging supplies is a good idea. You need a weapon, any surviving rations, and maybe even a hunk of ship as a shelter

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>>90352658
Didn't go quite as I planned. I'm taking the artistic moral ground in pointing out that I couldn't give her elbow the crooked 3D look enough to signify the elbow is out and she's grabbing at a railing above. Rather than hang up and get discouraged though, I simply moved on.
>..
Wow there's certainly a lot of smoke in here still. It's probably not up to any legal safety standards, but Bibi's surprised the artist didn't spend more time rendering destruction. Maybe they're just tired.
Either way the OFFICIAL Protectorate™ supply storage made it through just fine. That's probably why it's official. There's more official things the Pidgeon is supposed to keep on her, like magic tools and a real uniform but she ops for the fun route rather than the smart one. The official chest yields ..
>several cans of assorted foods
>a comb for her magnificent feather tuft
>a notebook for writing any survivor's "I shouldn't be alive" autobiography
>snackfood
>some simple tools such as lighters and knives
and one ??? mystery-jackpot audience suggestion item stuffed at the bottom.

>>90353433
I think you're looking for >>>/qst/

>>90353489
I can never forgive /qst/ for flooding /tg/ for ages on end.
More seriously I don't want to tell a story as more poll the water for a webcomic, and most importantly get criticized and hated on presentation, art and such. General consensus seems that the style sucks and the bird is okay/out of cute so I don't think it even deserves a /qst/.

>>90353433
uniforms are lame anyway. space bikinis forever.
btw no d in pigeon.
the last item is an embarrassing thong with a hyper strong space-age elastic waistband
>>90353571
actually the style is good (unless you mean the background), it's your skill that's lacking. but you're actually getting better in each new drawing.

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>>90352565

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>tfw you see a top-notch talented artist struggling to find a job

>>90353680
hey this is really good advice. I wish I'd mentioned the shoulder thing, I've been working on that myself lately. The most fun way to remember it is to acquire a clavicle fetish. the hot little dip in the middle is called the suprasternal notch even though it's above (super) the sternum, not below (supra) it.
it's something most action figures are unable to deal with unfortunately

>>90353680
>>90353632
Thanks guys, this is my first time drawing in two years now. I picked up the tablet this morning. :)
Redfriend, I'm particularly impressed at how in your rendition you managed to convey the weight of the arm. It really gives it a thing of energy.
I'm probably spending too little time now on the shapes that make up the forms, but I still have horror terrors of back when I used to art. I'd spend hours redoing the same thing over and over again until I trashed it. I guess you could call this constructive therapy.

Storybud thanks for following along and giving me something to doodle on. Inspiration is my greatest weakness, so I'm trying this exercise to improve on that.
I fucking knew there was something wrong with the autocorrected pigeon my browser suggested.

>>90353866
your browser suggested pidgeon? what the hell browser is that

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I tried outlining the shapes before hand and it looked nice. When it came time to do an actual line though, I found myself making the lines far too thick and round. I couldn't really properly clean it up and restore the shapes and everything looks flatter than usual. I need to find some sacred mixed ground between the two approaches.

>>90354368
Trade secret.

>>90353632
It's for pretty sure that the Agency™ hands out thongs like candy. Something about "Waifu simulator 2013". What is REALLY embarrassing however are the pretty polka dot panties. They're too fun for regulation, and Bibi is pretty sure if she got caught they'd take a corner off her spaceship insurance policy. Something the horrible pilot needed.
She has food and basic living supplies. Once you're free of a burning wreck, the danger level drops rapidly aside from the environment. The bird is sure she'll survive at least an hour. Maybe half if she's feeling hungry for canned corn.

I should probably break for tonight since no one wants me spamming the imagelimit.

>>90355087
well I like it so far, and I hope you stick around.

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>>90355254
also I f'narted you

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>>90352565
I want to bully this bird so fucking badly

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>>90355658
Means a lot. Thanks. Maybe I will try something on /qst/ if I can think of a good conflict and story.
This is the original shot I did this morning since I'm off to sleep. I like to think that even if I have a lot of problems before I can do a webcomic, I'm at least making improvements.

>>90355760
I like that you moved on to the tube top over the boobwindow top. what's that sprite? you just decided to start with that?

>>90355814
Yeh I started taking the sprite a bit too literally considering it's a handful of weird indie-shit pixel art. Embellishing gave more room for the character, and I decided to try for a softer look. I also simplified down the colour pallet to start with, picking out a handful of simple colours that I picked off the robin picture. I imagine I can work more on finer details once I'm doing better at my poses-exercises.
The sprite is from the Starbound game whichever evolved from early access Teraria clone to waifu dress up / autism colony building / playing midi songs with friends.
Maybe I just got fed up with over a year of Prequel not updating and wanted to explore a story in a dead lore.

>>90355967
that's awesome, dude. I feel like I could have been one of those friends

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>>90346103

Working a new page of GGZ.

I have the next 12 pages digitally sketched out all the way up to page 30! They just need to be digitally inked in like this page. Feels good man.

In this page Nina enters a room full of preppy cheerleader girls arguing over who the cutest girl is and who is going to make squad leader or cheer captain or whatever you call it.

Nina says in panel 2: "THIS ROOM IS FULL OF CANCER..."

"AND I DONT WANT TO GET INFECTED!"

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>>90355760
i decided to bully the bird

New to these threads, so sorry if this is asked a lot, but I'm having trouble making panels.

Is there a program or tool that makes it easier to make? I'd rather not deal with all the measuring and math. I know that's shitty and lazy for me but this is for a class assignment.

Basically I'm just looking for a program where I can decide the sizes, amount, and placement, and the program would do the math and measuring for me, so I can have even margains and spaces between the panels
So I can print that out and pencil in the images, and then ink it

Google didn't show me much worth using

>>90356402
measuring and math aren't really important. why don't you just use a ruler to draw your panel lines if you're working on paper? it's even easier than using an art program which is already super easy

>>90356402
Try Clip Studio Paint, it has a tool for drawing panels that makes the whole process pretty quick and easy

>>90356218
are you punching the bird
that seems some pretty high grade bullying I would have just stolen her supplies and left her to the wilds and beasts

>>90356402
Anon, do this >>90356520

Clip Studio Paint, or Manga Studio 5 is the best software for comics.

>>90356475
I want certain panels to be the same sizes, I want the spaces in between the panels to be perfectly even, and the margins, and the corners to be perfect 90 degree angles, and I'm also never satisfied with first attempts or will flub it up, doing it on the computer would just be more convenient for the kind of person I am

>>90356520
>>90356775
thanks, will look into it

>>90356092
you sound like a loser, so probably not

>>90356872
right, for right-angles you'll need a T-square, or literally any object with a 90 degree angle you can put your pencil up to

in any art program you'll have simple draggable rectangle tools, and once you've made something you can select it and move it around until it looks even for you
you can even put a grid on the screen so its lines will help you line things up

>>90356977
Any art program but SAI.

I just do the "hold shift with a small brush selected and then click two points" thing and then copy/flip the first two adjacent lines to make a box when I panel digitally. I could probably switch to another program to make them but my computer is slow as shit to open anything decent so I never bother.

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>"last week" in universe was a year ago in real life

this is why you follow a schedule folks

>>90357391
There's something I really like about this comic, and I think its their hairstyles.

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>>90356207

And its done. I hope yall like it.

backpack explanation: she is carrying it down the hall in her hand on panel 1 and wearing it in the girls locker room on panel 2! So this page is in fact finished, HD version tomorrow!

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Finished the first page of a two page update
Gotta get through introducing a bunch of characters before I can get to the more interesting stuff in this chapter

Hopefully I can get the other page done by this Friday

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I don't usually WIP but I feel like the lineart in this particular one is the real star anyway, not the coloring. and hey if you notice a mistake you can let me know

man Hel's third dress looked a lot cooler when it still had sketch lines underneath it showing her pose.

also you can get some insight into some behind the scenes shit, like how I usually color Hel's right leg first to make sure the anklet doesn't trap any pixels
and those recycled panels.. except I had to change so much they were actually kind of a pain to recycle.

So...

what if I'm an artist willing to pay a writer to write for me

>>90359013
I gotta think that it's easier to find a competent writer than a competent artist, but it might be harder to find a writer that fits your style or direction of story than it is to find an artist who can draw someone's narrative.
Do you have a story in mind?

>>90358075
your art looks good but its so small its hard to read

How do you guys deal with introducing a simple conflict into your story? I think I'm struggling because I have this mindset that I've got to know the entire world and how it pieces together before I start.
Would you say it's better case to just have some small plot hook and jump in?

>>90361168
maybe your overcomplicating things by having to have everything perfect. But I have the opposite problem as my stuff is too simple and I make it up mostly as I go.

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pg 13 of a project. maybe my panels are too big, or whatever, its a WIP

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Wilfreda the Wanna-Be Witch No.98: Our young detectives, Agatha and Christie (really), follow their first clue to solve Victor's Valentines Mystery, which leads them to Miriam Wintercaster's Candy Store, "Delights".

Also, do not mess with Christie. She's the Brawn of the team, even if she doesn't look like it.

Read more at http://wilfredacomic.tumblr.com/

>>90357468
Now hold up, did you sneak Pacifica into your comic there??? Pretty clever cameo!

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>>90313534
few pages that I've worked more on, none quite done yet tho

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>>90363564

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>>90363593

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>>90363618

>>90357417
I definitely have the most fun drawing the hair, so I tend to exaggerate it a lot

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>>90357468

HD version bump

>>90363468
no, but pacifica was my favorite character fro gravity falls, so maybe i was subconsciously inspired by her when i was drawing the girl in question :^)

>>90360688
Wait really? I thought my text was too big if anything.
Anyone else finding it too small to read?
anon is it possible you're relying on your extension's "hover to enlarge" function?

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Nyoom

>>90361168
Start with a minor argument that people would realistically have, and make the specific quirks of your characters govern the reactions which lead to something bigger

>>90362287
ooh I like Christie.
>>90363593
>I'll spit on your air
This comic, man. Do you have a site yet?

>>90366814
Been a while since we've seen you! It's like your posting here took a.. pregnant pause

>>90367195
Not yet going to finish 20 pages as a buffer before I start updating weekly Incase I fall behind

>>90367311
Really I rarely get feedback. The comments turn into the same things about the subject so I only post every once in a while when I like the pages.

>>90367815
I hear that, dude. I wish I could give you better comments, but you seem to really have your art down at this point. I remember you gave some great shading tutorials and I saved at least one of them. The only comment I have is just individual tastes about facial features, and the overall 'regular' uniform look of it that makes it look like some kind of educational pamphlet from time to time

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Rate my OC.

http://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/keit-ai/list?title_no=36825

>>90368473
is it possible the person spamming this isnt the same person making it?

>>90362044
Not so much too big, but so far nearly empty, and only two panels to a comic. You could feel free to make a larger comic

I've been "helping" someone who makes a comic at their request, but they refuse to actually listen to anything I say. They want me to criticize their work, but if I ever suggest alternatives or the removal of elements, they ignore me.

How do you deal with that? I want them to succeed, but I can't find a way to explain to them that they need to be willing to compromise if they want help.

>>90371734
Not possible, I'm afraid. They sound like they've invested too much of themselves in it, so criticism feels like an attack on their self worth.

In some cases people like that will initially refuse a criticism, but it will gnaw at them afterwards until they realize it's got a point and they do the mental gymnastics necessary to make the change without feeling like they've lost face.

If they've completely ignored criticism for a long period, though, you're probably wasting your time.

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It turns out Pintrest is a really good reference for drawing indoor settinings

>>90372005
It's very much a self-esteem thing, and it's been going on for more than a year. I really want to help them, but I don't think I can. They only take suggestions when they're adding on to what they already have (use this design, it's very likable), not revision (this is too much/can you try this a different way?)

Thanks for the advice.

>>90371734
>>90372005

This could describe a lot of people in /HYW/, on both sides of the fence.

>>90371734
Simple communication here: ask them why they're asking for your help, and what is it they actually expect you to say.. what they want, what they hope to gain.

>>90372070
top quality interior there man.
pinterest always puts up some unclosable thing demanding I get an account

>>90372149
So.... Make a dummy account?

>>90372126
I have, and they want feedback that's honest and more than simple yesmanship. It's completely at odds with how they act.

I think I need to just let them be them and do their comic and ignore the "But I need your feedback" stuff. Even if they didn't take any of it but talked about it and considered things I'd understand, but they can't even do that.

>>90372304
Even if your friend's blind, the least you can do is just explain. Just be honest, like he asked. "When I give you feedback, I see you ignoring anything negative. Obviously you're not being a little bitch and getting angry at my critique, but if you aren't listening it feels like I shouldn't bother"
and hopefully they'll explain that they don't always agree with your suggestions but they value the ones they do, and.. eh.. you'll work something out. but at least it won't be so awkward anymore

>>90372304
Sounds like they don't want advice specifically from you, or the people you're with.

It's petty, so don't deal with them anymore.

>>90372400
If you think I got so far as to ask why they even want my advice but didn't explain that they weren't even giving it consideration, you probably haven't been in this situation. It's an impossible nut to crack. Everything leads back to deflection and circular arguments.

>>90372408
Maybe. It just feels bad to abandon them.

>>90372544
ah I was afraid it was like that.. but sometimes if you act like it isn't, you know.. you get what you expect of people. But if it really is like that, then ... that isn't your friend, man.

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>>90358075
aaand colored
thanks once again to the person that pointed out gold armor wouldn't be that heavy (was it you carrion girls guy? seems like it would be) giving me an even better followup joke (originally it was only going to be the second of those two panels)
and to monstrous mimi author for inspiring that character and her love of dresses. They were actually really fun to draw

>>90372840
er, monstErous. I forgot it's spelled that way. in case someone wants to look it up
and you should
because it's better

>>90371734
Please don't say you're trying to work with Scribblehatch, that guy's a lost cause.

any artfags out there that want to partner up and make a webcomic with me?

i can do all of the writing, storyboarding, promotions, page layouts, etc.

we can decide together what we want to make.

Sprite comics

>>90373786
i miss them

>>90373001
you gotta know how to work with him. i talked him out of a terrible color scheme in something recently. at first he had a bunch of excuses, i just kept calmly saying that's fine if it's your taste, but here's how i see it whenever I apply my tastes to it, and later when he calmed down, he tried it a different way, and I gave that a thumbs up but also better-explained what I meant in the first place as he hadn't quite gotten that. then he changd that part and it was a lot better. there's still an aspect of a different part of that drawing that I don't like, but he likes that part so it's staying in.

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I'm gay.

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>>90372149
Hey, thanks.

>>90372070
Finished-ish, unless I notice something wrong.

Pages have been taking me much longer lately, since I'm really trying to improve my backgrounds and art in general. I'm kind of considering either scaling back to one page a week, or taking a hiatus for a few weeks. I really would rather not do either of those, but I've been feeling a little stressed by working update-to-update lately, and want to build my buffer back up.

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>Make okay looking art yesterday and have a fun time posting with people here
>Try making a single pose today
>Two hours in and yet still starting over again
Fuck this is exactly what happened back when I used to draw. I know I'm being salty and petty right now but this is the same exact pitfall I fell into last time. How do you guys cope?

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>>90366376

working on a new page

panel 1 dialog:

Rose: "who left the window open and let the garbage in?"

Jane: "oh, cuz she looks like a garbage bag Good one!

panel 2:

Rose: "AHAHAHA!"

"Like she has any chance of being a cheerleader!"

"The names rose, as in I rise to every occasion!"

panel 3:

Nina: "I guess the same rules dont apply to your flat chested area, huh?"

Panel 4:

Rose: "you smart ass little freak. you think im flat huh?"

Panel 5:

Rose: "DOES THIS FEEL FLAT TO YOU!?"

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>>90376969

I REGRET NOTHING!!!!!!

>>90376005
ooh we're back to the double-jointed torsos. that takes me back to mud-rolling Annabeth

>>90376933
Well if you're just starting art again after a long break period, don't worry if it's not perfect. It might take awhile to get back into the swing of things, so just try to settle with imperfection for now. We're all still learning here, and making mistakes is all part of getting better.

It's more helpful to your art to draw several different quick sketches for practice than spend hours trying to get one pose to look right. If your sketch doesn't look any good after 10-15 minutes of trying to fix it, try drawing a different pose. If there's a specific pose you really want to do, try to find a photo reference of the pose, or just try doing the pose yourself in the mirror.

Good luck with your art, anon, Ms. Bird is a cutie and I hope to see more of her.

>>90376359
once a week would be acceptable for quality like this, it's realllly working. Nothing sticks out as badly done, the books all look great, the nice clean shading is working... What's your schedge now, twice a week? Because I'd consider it worth the lack of consistency to make a weirder update like every 5 days or something.

>>90376933
It's not always easy, just relax. you can't force it. It's clear from the wobbly shapes that you aren't drawing confidently at all, I'd like you to get more in the habit of making a stroke then ctrl-Zing if it isn't right. you can do that like 10 times in the time it took you to slowly draw those meandering lines.

what the hell is with the square coloring by the way?

>>90377224
Fug :(

Guess I'm not posting this one.

>>90377339
I mean, I enjoy your wacky anatomy sometimes, it's amusing, but I'd like it if we could get you to learn the good stuff too. That way you can make an informed decision about which one should go in each panel, y'know?
How's about you and bird-drawing-fellow try out a few simple construction exercises? I know you can do better, I've seen you do it coupla times.

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Here, let's work on this as a simple exercise, huh? Try to follow along, but do it your own-ass way too.
This is happy guy. he's made of easy shapes and has approximately the proportions that a cartoony style enjoys, with the head roughly as thick as the body

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>>90377733
now look, he has turned to the side, so the places where the limbs meet the body are overlapping more. With a little cross on the face you can keep track of where to keep his face, even though it's at an angle.
Now I had to fix the proportions here a dozen times because they weren't right at first. That's okay, grabbing the foot and pulling it out so the shin is the right length is easy in digital art. Just take a look around and make sure things are even and right.
hey he's extending one leg. what are you doing, happy guy? that's not recommended leg behavior.

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>>90378005
so if it turns out he's pretty short and I can see over him, I'm gonna be looking at the top of his head.. the cross helps with that. Then I'll have to put his torso a little UNDER his head, right? and then start tapering things down
... I didn't do it that well. But that's okay! It looks like I tried.
in any case, this mofo is really stiff, so let's try to loosen him up with some liquor. I mean dynamism

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>>90378136
now he may look robotic, but we don't have to make him goose-step like a nazi. he can have some flow to him.
see how his proportions are still the same? I didn't bother with the elbows and knees this time but I made sure he still looks like the same guy. and this is literally a 30-second sketch, you can put a lot more care into it.. but you should start with a loose sketch-out of the directions you want, then try drawing the real properly-proportioned body on top of that.

>>90377733
kill yourself coldfusion, no one cares what basic fundies you've learned

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>>90378266
so here's a familiar scene, a little counter (see how the edge tapers?) and a happy guy leaning over it gaily. now I haven't forgotten that his elbows should line up with his ribcage, but I have gleefully rendered his torso as a bean because that's fun. it's even a little long, but it doesn't go overboard. Figuring out the hands doesn't have to be a nightmare, you can just approximate the shapes to start with, and it'll be a good finger guide later

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>>90378485
now maybe the guy isn't so happy, because he has woken up to find he's a bird lady stranded on a planet. That's a little tough from the front, the elbows are coming right at you.. so let's turn it to the side a bit
the elbows are the part we're unsure of, so we'll just start with the hands on the face, since that's the end goal, and now work our way backwards.. where would they be? if you put your hands up to your face you'll find you don't have a lot of options, your upper arm is almost straight out, just a little bit down. so you do that part next. then the forearm connects the two. double check to make sure the lengths look right..
now just draw the horizontal lines, and you're setting up the same pose from the front

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>>90378633
but that doesn't look properly sad, does it? so let's actually move the head DOWN and try doing the whole thing again
this time when you try it yourself, you'll see your upper arms are tilted more. so once again, hands, upper arms, then elbows to connect

can sad man drink a gallon of petrol
i'd like to drink a gallon of petrol

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>>90377252
I was last drawing a couple years ago and I had to give it up because it was becoming a destructive habit of wanting to draw something badly, and every day I trying I'd be unhappy with the result and give up. Really trying to not get back into it so posting shitty doodles I do in a couple minutes is good.
Here I've tried using light lines and just undoing the ones that come out wrong but I turned a six line doodle into about an hour now of effort for this horrible thing.

I really like the bird and I really want to tell some stories with her but I'm kind of concerned that since I'm inspired it's only going to hurt more when I fail pieces.

>>90377733
I gave a try on a couple of these but I found as soon as I try to add any sorts of action my structures just fall apart and it looks like messy lines.
I'm looking at your drawings, do you have any lighter sketching layers or anything?? all your circles look like circles and I swear you're able to put a polygon shape right from your mind onto the paper.
If I draw slow and get the shape right then my shaky hands act up. If I draw fast it looks all sketchy.

I don't want to keep drawing my bird upset she's supposed to be a stupid playful soul.

so you think you guys can take it from here? I'm not doing it perfectly by any means, as you can see. but little stuff like this can take a "what the fuck do I do with this pose" into at least having a framework to go by.

>>90378826
I've also noticed that I'm drawing at a much smaller resolution than most pieces in here.
I thought that I should be able to do small shapes before I can solve my shaky hands enough for large shapes, but maybe I'll give it a try. I'm probably just too afraid because large drawings need detail.

>>90378826
>all your circles look like circles
I'll tell you a secret. I drew a lot of them like 8 times undoing each one, and sometimes if I got 280 degrees of a good circle followed by 80 more degrees of what the fuck, so I just erased that part and finished it
don't worry though, nothing IS a shape. the shape's just a size guide. Bibi has a roughly circular head yeah but only the top, and then it has a cute feather thing.. her lower head has cute puffy cheeks. Don't worry about those details while you're sketching.
>stupid playful soul
Okay that sounds fun, why not draw her doing a little happy leap into the air? just arms up, legs pretty much down, but heels slightly up from the jump
>>90378904
>much smaller resolution
which is why I intentionally did these guides really small. Once you get it right you can start scaling it up. you'll find there's a lot of trouble that low-res gives you that hi-res actually makes easier

>>90378997
oh and i'll do the jump too, but i'll wait til you've posted yours

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I should be working on my super important animation, but I guess I can give this little execize a shot.

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would you guys read a short term strip comic done in this style? (pic is the protagonist) Alternativly: do you think this style would suit a gag comic?

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>>90378997
Update-- It's been nearly a half hour and I still can't figure out what a jump for joy looks like.
I've been checking reference images and stuff but I can't put the image in my head onto lines.
This happens every single action shot. I swear I'd just trace a picture or draw from one side-by-side but fourth-grade me promised myself that I would never trace anything or I'd end up like those asshole chads tracing anime pictures they printed.
I think I'm starting to get pessimistic but I don't know if I can reasonably stop it. Sorry.

>>90379465
also sorry this pic is so fucking huge

>>90379444
How do you just
make line
Most of those look like single lines that you just draw in the correct shape the first few times
My stuff falls apart because the only way I can make a line look how I want is by sketching it for five minutes

>>90379444
okay! thanks for indulging me. now can you see the ways in which you've diverged from the instructions?

>>90373786
HELL YEAH, SHOW ME SOME

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>>90379479
oh okay, I'll show you mine, then we'll step back a little and work on gesture stuff.

I went through four different versions of the arms, but in the end i just did it myself to see what I did when I opened up my inner happy girl cheerleader.. I found my hands opened up outwards.
interesting challenges include the fact that with such a big head, the elbows almost don't clear it.
also at the end I realized I'd made the legs too small, so I just straight up selected them and edit-transformed them with the 'scale' setting. If you have nearest-neighbor set as your default setting, you don't get any blurring when you do that. It's the ideal way to work in aliased lines (but you still need to redraw anything that needed more than a small amount of growing or shrinking)

>>90379465
Would definitely read it
it's more detailed than a gag comic needs to be, especially the very light shading which isn't adding much (and here and there is just plain not shaped right), but only just barely.

>>90379509
>correct shape
That said, Dewd gets a lot of drawing practice in. Even if you ignore your fundamentals, you can brute-force lines to your muscle memory if you draw enough.

>>90379509
Stabilization in the pen helps

Some art programs call it "correction"

>>90379513
Well, some of it was a little stiff and I know my style is very loose so I just met you half way on that aspect.

>>90379546
>>90379479
now see I can already see problems with mine. I should have made the body bending forward with the shoulders and hips bent back, y'know a nice reach-y spine. proper spinal posture is part of "line of action" and dynamism and all that good stuff.

Howbout you start out with a larger canvas for sure, something at least 1000 wide. then get a nice clean pen tool, and start drawing some cubes. Just to get comfortable with it.

>>90379546
Which part of the body did you start this piece from?
I've just realized that for every doodle I ever do I start with the head. It's the only thing I really feel comfortable with.

Do you mind if I try drawing something with this open in the other window? It wouldn't be tracing but it would be pretty much ripping your talent and desperately trying to sow it into my palette.

>>90379621
true! when it comes to not being stiff, my advice stops being useful at all. I haven't mastered that yet, at all. But...
you seem to have just haphazardly drawn every shape you intended to draw. made symmetrical shapes like the ribs asymmetrical, upper and lower parts of limbs random lengths, and everything else pretty much done at random, rather than a deliberate, expressive line of movement. I was hoping this exercise would get you to slow down a little and think about proportions and 3dimensionality.

>>90379705
Oh. Sorry.

>>90379642
started this one with the head, then torso. I knew I'd have to get the hips right for the whole thing to work
but honestly I tend to just start with whichever part "anchors" the pose, or "leads" the rest of the drawing by its example. and remember, I'm not a very good rolemodel, I just think this is a way to deal with this one issue you're having

also yes by all means, try eyeballing it and copying it. eyeballing copies is a great exercise. here though use this improved posture version (still not perfect. I should have started with a backwards arch line to lead the whole thing)

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>>90379775
in fact i've already seen another mistake. see, it's a series of tweaks we make. i should have drawn the leg-attachment-circles as if they were buttcheeks, and that means no spacing and slight overlap when the body is turned.. now the legs look much more naturalistic

>>90379567
thanks, i'm so used to drawing more detailed finish stuff anything less than that just looks super wrong,

hope yall like shut in NEETS with mediocre super powers

>>90379878
that is exactly what I like.
By the way, that thing I can only assume is meant to be a corner on the edge of her pinky finger looks like it's meant to be another finger line.. but fingers don't have sharp angles like that, so it's not really necessary

>>90377284
Thanks, I'm doing 2 pages a week right now, Monday and Friday. A weird schedule like that would probably give me just the right amount of time to work on each page, but I feel it could hurt readership.


Also, what kind of things do people like best for Top Webcomics voting incentives? Anything you guys would want to see drawn, if you care at all?

>>90379546
This is incredibly stiff. You're focusing so much on keeping those balls in alignment (and I have no idea why you're trying to do that, bodies don't work that way) that the character is barely even able to move.

>>90345569
still far too much background detail to be easily readable.

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>>90379848
>>90380080
You should do some more gesture sketches
https://www.quickposes.com/en
Try spending like 10-15 minutes doing 30 second long sketches, try focusing on the overall movement and pose of the figure. That, combined with some construction practice like you're doing right there could really help.

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>>90379848
I tried a different pen and it seems to do better with my shaky hands. I lost sight of the shapes with it though, and I struggled with details with how bulky it is.

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>>90380080
yep, like I said, my shit's still stiff. This is just the stage used to learn good proportioning and keep it stable. It's important to get to that point first (and I really only JUST have) before you can start loosening it up, in order to avoid everything just being a mess (not naming any names)
>>90380246
indeed. the tricky part is I hate squash and stretch, so I have to find a better way to do it within the limits of my taste. but I'm workin' on it. I'm trying to decode the kind of motion gesturing done in my japanese animes, like that bizarre deformation of balls that are spinning and moving at high speed.
>>90380356
hey it's a start. Just how shaky are those hands? Are we talking like a real debilitating problem here? like proper medically-diagnosed tremors?

>>90380593
Thanks. Means a lot. I never bothered to get anything diagnosed but every second or so if they're in the air like on a pen, a hand will usually shake a half inch, which doesn't hurt my work or anything but for years made me scared to do any sorts of long lines.
A shame. I was hoping on doing another quest styled practice tonight but I've spent five hours failing to improve again. Maybe I'll have something /qst/ worthy in a couple months, lol. Thanks for the help folks.

>>90380755
sometimes the work you've done is absorbed slowly over time, sometimes even the next day after sleeping on it. brain's gotta digest what it eats. don't worry about your speed
as for that tremor, I'd have a doc look at it. One that minor is probably curable (possibly caused by something else you're taking? i've known antidepressants to cause mild jerking of the arm once in a while), and it sounds like it's causing you a problem if it's every second

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>>90376969
and its finished! I hope yall like it!

low kb preview, HD version tomorrow!

>>90380356
>fitness bird
i'd watch her vhs workout tapes

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>tfw so ashamed of my old updates that I have anxiety updating at all

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Okay I'm sorry for the huge image. Huger image here: http://i.imgur.com/vVUcGaj.jpg

Seriously though what exactly do people mean when they say 'rendering' because I don't think its what I'm doing

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>>90385128
Circled the spot where you got lost.Saturation is fucking your composition up. Have a video:
>www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/film-studies-foreground-middleground-background

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>>90385128
>>90385520

You have other no-no's going on but work on this issue of composition first.

>>90380593
>I hate squash and stretch
That has absolutely nothing to do with what the person you replied to said. You don't have to exaggerate at all. They're telling you to practice gestures, so why go off rambling about an unrelated topic?

>>90385128
I'm not a good colorist so maybe I'm wrong, but doing yourshading before your flats seems like a bad idea.

do you consider it unethical to drip release your comic page by page if you completed the entire thing beforehand? would it be better on your audience to release the entire thing at once, or at the very least, release it in multipage updates to account for webcomic-pacing ala unsounded (occasionally), it hurts (lately), and the sisters, so the reader gets a more satisfying and prompt experience? or would you rather build up your audience more slowly and potentially maximize your patreon bux output

>>90385128
"Rendering" just means painting in the colors, shading, highlights, details, and so forth. I think the main issues with your shading are that you could definitely go a lot darker, and that it's has so many messy layers the forms of the shaded objects get a little lost.

>>90319118
>I'm kind of proud of how I've progressed
But you haven't progressed.

>>90387659

drip release it- it's not unethical, and it's the only way to build up any hype around it (unless you already have a large following)

If you do two - three updates a week nobody is going to be complaining, and if it's already all done you'll never have delays!

It's a win for everyone

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>>90319844

you may want to think about having more symmetry with the veins. right now they kind of look like scarring because of their randomness?

Not every vein is mirrored, but a lot are!

>>90386404
My mistake, what did they mean if not that?

>>90386476
yeah I mean we all want to do that because it saves time and makes the shading look even, but doesn't it result in all your shading being gray? I'm told you shouldn't shade in black like that, but no other color lets you shade uniformly regardless of the color below
That said this looks completely fine to me. I don't get how the saturation is messing with it

>>90390534
They meant practice gesture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
It's completely separate from exaggeration like squash n' stretch.

>>90390662
oh THAT. Yes, that's what I meant earlier by starting the drawing with one line that defines the action. That's something I seriously need to remember to do. I do it in action scenes sometimes but I'm still not very good at it. Hadn't considered doing actual gesture practice exercises.. that's a good idea. I'm gonna look for some (I'd rather look at some images than follow a video), if you have a preferred one of those feel free to send it my way

>>90385128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GObhvrUQQv8&channel=UCps08eOJfFRm00TE5LStIIg

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Another panel done. I'm still a slow paced drawer, but I think I'm quite proud about my work. For me, I mean.

Next two panels are way easier to draw than this one. But the last two are going to be tough.

While doing this, I was wondering, why there are not more video comics in Instagram? Small pieces of secuencial images, with basic sound effects and text like in an old silent movie. I would do it, if I weren't so slow.

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>>90385520
>>90385700
I'm not sure what you're referring to. You circled the step where I put down a fill to transparency-lock. Are you just talking about my backgrounds being too dark?

>>90386476
I only started doing this about halfway through Chapter 4, and it's primarily so I can see what I'm doing. Here's the actual point where I started shading before coloring:
before: http://laserwing.tumblr.com/post/146136882926/this-is-the-only-page-currently-planned-where-a
after: http://laserwing.tumblr.com/post/149682268481/its-been-a-while-since-i-posted-the-last-page
The shading is all on its own separate layers so it doesn't actually affect the colors.

>>90388309
Pic attached is the same fake panel with its secondary shade and light layers turned off, and the primary shade made darker. Personally I think it doesn't look as good. Am I wrong?

>>90390590
Okay so are people meaning something different when they say 'shade in black?' I have my shading colors literally there in my example and none of them are black. I have never put #000000 on a multiply layer with the intent to shade. It would look much worse than this. My shading colors are right here >>90385128 on step #22 and they're purple and orange. When I shade before my flats the stand in shading is in blue. What the fuck is 'shading with black' if not actually shading with actual black?

>>90392900
Honestly, I prefer this version, it looks less muddy. If you're really set on doing the more blended shading, perhaps you could try using a softer brush for your shading?

>>90392900
You need Jesus.

I mean color theory.

I can get you started but it's a tangled web of bullshit.


http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm

http://olympic-dames.deviantart.com/art/A-Note-on-Light-and-Colour-93113938

http://www.huevaluechroma.com/

Also look up the idea of hue shifting it Pixel art. It helped me out.


The circle pic means that your characters start to blend in with the background in the next panel. How when it's changed to black and white all the greys match.

>>90393247
>The circle pic means that your characters start to blend in with the background in the next panel.

Okay but you circled the part where I fill in blue and red. Those colors don't stay. Those are just there so that I can see what I'm doing when I put in transparency locks. I understand the idea of checking your work in greyscale but the fact that you specifically pointed to a part before the colors were in is making me think I DON'T understand what you're trying to tell me.

>>90393021
Everything from this point and before: http://laserwing.tumblr.com/post/146136882926/this-is-the-only-page-currently-planned-where-a was done with a softer brush. It took a lot more time, and people thought it looked uglier. Do you disagree?

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I fiddled with my shading layers to try and figure out what 'shading with black' means.

>>90393361
I didn't post that originally btw.

This is good start, as they explain.
>>90385700

Your characters back the background. There's no "pop" as it's called. As they changed it up there they added some simple atmospheric perspective to make the characters more saturated so they stick out from the BG.

https://www.youtube.com/user/kmrussell24/playlists

Watch some of the tutorial,critique and now not to color videos by this guy. He explains a lot of it with examples.

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>>90393361
Well your current state is definitely an improvement from before, but what I mean is one tone shading with a soft brush. Pic related is what I mean.

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>>90382372

HD version, also fixed a few things...

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>>90328889

ya know, after thinking about this, im sure you you mean the 2013 version of demon juice i just uploaded to my deviantart stash: http://sta.sh/02djklulxgo4

it features a preteen demon fighting alien cat people with giant cat people robots! first demon juice gets other teenagers with attitude to fight the alien cat people...

NOTE: it has art barely better than chris chan or dewd, i dont know which is worse but i was dewd and chris chan tier back then when it came to actual comic book panel work. SO DONT SAVE THIS PDF E-BOOK, AND DONT TAKE ANY SCREENSHOTS! THIS IS A PRIVATE LOOKBACK AT HOW BAD I USED TO BE AND HOW FAR I CAME SINCE THEN, SO IM SHARING IT WITH MY PEERS IN THIS THREAD, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY PERMISSION TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN LOOK AT IT, AND LAUGH AT HOW BAD THE ART IS, THATS IT. NO SCREENSHOTS! DONT SAVE IT. AND DONT SHARE THE LINK WITH ANYBODY!

>>90392745
ooh, classic style
>why there are not more video comics
I know right? I should have gotten into that years ago
>in Instagram?
I would have gone with youtube, but sure why not
>Small pieces of secuencial images, with basic sound effects
yeah exactly. It's not hard at all to do a slideshow. hell we used to all enjoy them on Reading Rainbow
>and text like in an old silent movie.
oh I figured I'd do voices. I bet I could even do the girls if I pulled a Hyadain. maybe.

by the way my good amigo, in english we spell it 'sequential'. Just in case that comes up in your comic

>>90393767
sorry to butt in, but she used to use softer shading and I think it was messier. we've been encouraging her to use harder cel shading lately, but maybe with fewer levels

>>90395189
Yes, I understand that, I was there. I think the issue is not the soft shading itself though, but the number of levels for the shading. I think if she tried doing soft shading with maybe just two levels, one for shadows and one for highlights, her art could look cleaner.

>>90395189
That's all completely subjective and not really relevant to her actual issues.

Table that and go back to more important stuff.

>>90394993
Bones this version of the story makes slightly more sense than the more recent one. Its pretty good, I'm saving it.

>>90395130
I came with Instagram because it's easy to spam (more oriented towards mobile devices), and you can work in short videos easily, which is fine for a webcomic that need to be updated once a week or once two week. But sure, YT is nice, too. Adding voices sounds really fun.

Sequential... I slipped my Spanish. Luckily, I'm not writing my comic in English (yet. I'll need help if it comes the day I release it in English)

>>90392745
>Small pieces of sequential images, with basic sound effects
thatd be pretty cool actually. there are video comics but ive yet to see this implimented

>>90395130
>oh I figured I'd do voices
probably best with just sounds like sighs, sneezes and scoffs.
>I bet I could even do the girls if I pulled a Hyadain. maybe
if you must you might be able to get a femanon to help you out.
also post vocaroo

>>90395318
He's A. a moron and B. self-absorbed. He doesn't have the capacity to think outside himself in any meaningful way.

>>90395430
Well your english sounds great right now! Feel free to come in here for help, we have a few who get regular proofreading from the threads.
>>90395488
>Vocaroo
Uh I have a bunch of bullshit I posted on audioboom back when it was called audioboo ... https://audioboom.com/users/155390/boos
point is ol' Hyadain was able to convincingly pitch up his voice and sound like a girl. Then again he's asian so that helps.

>>90395318
if soft vs hard-edged shading isn't relevant, why did you suggest it?

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>>90395370

noooooooooooo dont! how can you even ave it from my secret stash? is that even possible? that story is no longer canon and the art is fucking terrible!

hopefully the 5th version of DEMON JUICE is going to be a big hit!

in DEMON FUZE, the 5th remake of demon juice, An african american voodoo witch named Bianca Bayou falls in love with a demon she accidentally summoned from a type of super hell, unable to confess their love all hell breaks loose on earth

>>90396426

how can you even save it from my secret stash?***

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>>90396452
I opened the pdf directly and downloaded it??? and now its in my trove of personal treasures? The statue of thickerty is my waifu now?

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>>90396824

That left arm makes no fucking since, i thought i wa the shit when i posted this and my fates flesh project in earier HYW threads, ive been here ince HYW thread #1

laying all my cards on the table, as bad as this art is, the 2013 version of my fates chaos project is a million times worse: http://sta.sh/020t25h05cl6

the 3rd version of fates chaos makes dewd and chris chan and cold fusion look like fucking art gods!

if you die from laughter at how bad my art was just 4 years ago... you've been warned!

>>90396305
Oh, I will do. Thanks, anons.

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>>90397114

i used to think this art was good enough for marvel and dc and they would be flooding my email for a job any second but it never happened

i was really delusional back then

when the original gang of HYW threads, which was me, and kill six billion demons guy, and other now super famous webcomic people that moved on from hyw used to make fun of my art i thought they were just jealous haters, but looking at my shit now 4 years later i can finally see how but fucking awful it is

>>90397450
the trick is realizing that, just like you couldn't see it then, you can't see it now