Seriously why do they keep making episodes that revolve

Because maybe, just maybe if you're a very good boy, you'll get an episode where Andy says "YO FRYMAN!"

>>90293312
Because they are that desperate for filler.

Because it's easy to write for a cardboard cut-out and they didn't feel like working that day.

>>90293312
Because they want to bite the hands that feed them, because they're arrogant.

>>90293312
Can someone explain to me what the fuck is going on with his hair? Are those giant dreads he died cheese yellow?

>>90293312
The problem I had with this episode was Ronaldo's Ronalflet (which E:R pointed out Lauren and Hillary were paid to write) saying gems "hate men", It was so obvious what they were doing.

>>90293312
whipping boy, right up there with Kevin.

>>90293312
I consider myself a big fan of this show, but a lot of the criticisms the youtuber E:R has brought up are legitimate.

>>90293312
I think the problem is that SU doesn't know when to drop a character. Every background character has had an episode.

>>90293753
I admire their dedication to developing every recurring character, but I think Ronaldo's a lost cause. He doesn't develop is the problem.

>>90293753
And then a second episode which takes the broadest attribute about the character and repeats it over and over.

>>90293842
Exactly! Ronaldo was just a bad joke that needs to die!

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Do you think its fair to say that this show just really isn't very good anymore?

>>90293966
>anymore

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>>90293312
>daily reminder that this little faggot is as old as Star and Marco and Katara but he has been emotionally/intellectually/socially stunted because a infantilised protagonist with legitimate autism/aspergers/retardation (seriously who the fuck knows what happened with his chromosomes) is literally the perfect protagonist to view this world through.

>>90293312
>>90293584
I'm surprised more people haven't called the show out on that whole "they hate men" thing. It was obvious what comparison they were drawing there.

>tfw Steven Universe could have been a perfectly told and concise series that tells its entire story in 2 seasons at most with no loose ends or filler if Sugar wasn't making up as she goes along

>>90293966
I wouldn't say the show's bad now because I still think the overarching plot and the music is good. But there are definitely some problems that have not gotten better with time.

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>>90293975
Season 1 was pretty tight.

Show lost direction as the plot developed. The crew ditched the most interesting episode format (monster of the week) in favor of pure SoL with occasional plot episodes.
We don't even get weird gem artifact episodes anymore.

>>90293980
He's also older than Dipper and Mabel.

>>90293312
to foreshadow

http://spamalika.tumblr.com/post/157775042616/nacrepearl-funinthepizzarain-potential

>>90294107
And Aang.

>>90294160
>>90294107
It is concerning how underdeveloped he is for a 14 year old.

>>90294205
He very clearly has social disorder and might be clinically retarded/challenged

>>90294107
Wendy is a single year older than him

>>90294205
No, because SU world doesn't function very similarly to real world. His immaturity can simply just be written off as being to quirky as opposed to missing out on important developments of social/thinking skills.
Also because it's a cartoon and the writers don't account for that.

>>90294292
Except we have Connie who is shown to be a normal child who acts her age.

>Ronaldo is literally the only human that isn't the MC's girlfriend that is interested in the magic lesbian space rocks
>why do they keep making episodes about him
Gee I wonder

>>90294107
>that episode where Steven became concerned that Connie would stop liking him if he never physically grew up
>when in reality a girl like that is going to get tired of his retard act real quick

>>90294368
The excuse would be is that steven is a half-alien with nearly no formal education who lives at home with three emotional and ill-prepared mother/sister figures, with a well-meaning but also quirky father figure, and the implication that steven takes after his mother who could also be dumb at times.

>>90294452
Which is why he needs to GO TO FUCKING SCHOOL

>>90294425
Then they wrote themselves into a corner by having the majority of humans not care a shit about the thing that makes the show interesting

>>90293312
what i dont get is why people dont love episodes that shit on characters they dont like
that is literally the third best way to get me on your side
>>90293584
but that's the show insisting they DON'T hate men. that's a good step. someday they'll realize they do hate men but this shows they conciously choose not to, so once they figure that out about themselves they'll be ashamed and change it. it's just like people who dont realize how much theyre terrified of negroes.

>>90294511
>Back

He never went in the first place.

>>90294555
there's no back in that post anon

>>90294513
It was just lazy writing.

>Oh what if people see the crazy rock aliens? Or the huge statue they live in? Won't people catch on?
>Naw fuck that, just have everyone either fall in love with them or not give a shit

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>>90293312

>>90294205
He doesn't go to school and his Dad and the gems baby him. When he does try to grow up during his birthdays it's considered a bad thing.

>>90293438
you're mom is desperate for me to filler ass

I just hate how his voice has gotten higher as he's gotten older. Is he going to transition into a woman? Is that why he's acting so feminine?

>>90294511
I still love how that's the biggest fucking plot hole in the story, there's fuck all reason for him not be going

Also inb4 training, he only started training with Connie recently. He spent years doing fuck all and even the first season doing fuck all.

>>90294677
How old was he in the first season?
13?
The gems (and greg I guess) would have had to coddle him for 13 years of his life.

>>90293966
mid season 1 up to end of season 3 had these really cool story arcs that build off each other. Season 4 has been almost nothing but filler.
It's like watching a series in reverse

>>90294811
I have yet to understand why they haven't explored earth more.

Like fuck if you are going to give us a filler, at least make it interesting like him going to Connie's school. Just do SOME world building instead of just putting every fucking episode in the small ass town on the beach that's called Beach City

>>90294871
the world doesn't exist outside beach city

>>90294949
yeah they've made that clear

>>90293338
I keep hoping.

WHY DOES STEVEN'S VOICE SOUND LIKE SHIT

>>90293312
So they can keep beating up a straw man.

>>90295305
adult male imitating his pre-pubescent self

>>90295409
>>90295305
they should have just got Dana Snyder and had him do the majority of the lines in his high pitched tone if that's what they were going for.

>>90293842

I dunno, i think or at least hope theres a way to make ronaldo a good character. Make him the good kind of weeb/dork

>>90293312
Because Ronaldo is the show's strawman, for lack of a better term.
Every time the writers feel like taking potshots at something or making any sort of statement, they use Ronaldo. And since the show loves to use filler whenever they don't want to actually write something engaging, Ronaldo is the perfect material for that. His character is so unpleasant, so defined by being vapid and annoying, that he becomes a tool that allows the writers to make stories with one of the few townies who isn't super friendly with Steven (since you can always just write Ronaldo being a pain to create conflict).
His "character" is more or less whatever the show wants to poke fun at or preach agaisnt at the moment. If anything the latest episode, with shit like
>you can't say rock people that's offensive
more or less reaffirms this.

>>90293647
>E:R
>valid criticisms
He's a shitty /b/tard spamming memes without hardly making any actual argument.

>>90293966
I've had this realization a few days ago myself.
I mean, look, I tried my hardest to accept the shortcomings of the show because I want to like it. I feel like it has potential, that it's got a lot of things in it that I do like.
But god fucking damnit I'm so sick of all this filler and just how saccharine the whole show is. I just want some stakes. Some adventure. Some development of the show's supposed lore. I just want it to DO SOMETHING WORTH WATCHING FUCK

>>90295409
Is season 1 that old that the kid can't sound like himself anymore? Fuck this she's development schedule.

>>90295527
Season 1 was airing in 2013, it's already a four year old show in terms of production, probably even older. (Especially counting the pilot.)

>>90295560
You'd think coming off a show like adventure time as well as having time actually move forward in the show as the core cast develops they would be fine with his voice getting deeper. It just irritates the shit out of me to hear his girly voice in the most recent episode when he sounded and acted older in season 1. That fucking "boo" shit in Bismuth still grinds my gears every time its on.

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>>90293312
At this stage i don't even know what the show is trying to do with all of this, its the cartoon equivalent of a soap opera and its not showing signs of getting any better soon (or at all)

Lion IV when

it really is depressing that they ditch the monster of the week plots ENTIRELY after the corrupted gem reveal.

That's so fucking weak.

>>90295507
E;R may be shitposter supreme, but he's on point usually.

His Korra and SU content mainly.

Used his compilation of the gems dance-fucking to disprove a "FUSION IS NOT SEX" faggot the other day.

>>90294551
But Ronaldo's crazy conspiracies about the Gems are suppose to be funny because they end up ironically being semi-true, but where would he get the "they hate men!" thing from the show in-universe? It stands out so much as a "Ha-ha, reference to Tumblr!" rather than funny Ronaldo dialogue. "They hate humans!" would have been better, fit his character, and the soapbox wink wink moment wouldn't have lept out of the screen so hard that you can actually see the writers giving a thumbs up in the backdrop if you squint.

>>90293975
XD

>>90300415
Including that line, even ironically, was definitely a mistake.

>>90293338

That would be all the proof I need to believe in god.

>>90300485
But it was hilarious.

>>90293966
Right now it isn't very good. They keep teasing things without fulfilling. They skip over character development in favor of meaningless townie filler with zero gem relevancy.

Its like a crew that doesn't know what show to make: a lore filled space adventure or a generic sitcom revolving around a town. They've failed to combine these well, for some odd reason.

They're also afraid to just resolve a plot. The only one they did was Peridot's. Everyone else gets their plots put on hold and then just skipped (see: Lapis hates CG's, and now seems to have no issue. See Jasper keeps implying something and gets bubbled. Character arcs of Garnet are nonexistent. Amethyst's self confidence issues came up and went away. Pearl has Mystery Girl hots despite getting over Rose.)

Even if these things are resolved in the future, there so much meaningless filler in-between it gets tiresome. It doesn't help either that the crew feels obligated to make ham-fisted moral messages and rush plots. It's a one-trick pony that got old and is increasingly inappropriate.

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>>90300583

>>90293966
Reminder that the Gem Heist arc was just a couple of episodes ago and would have taken a month under a normal schedule.

It just feels like it was all just one episode because they decided to release it as a bomb and then stretch out the filler under a normal schedule.

Season 4 had tons of amazing shit all about Steven getting closer and closer to the reality of his mom killing Pink Diamond, that has been the ENTIRE theme of this season, and it's getting lost in us having to deal with weeks of filler and hiatus between all the significant episodes that do deal with this.

>>90300818
It is though.

Sorry you're some hypersensitive faggot. "Oh hurr they made fun of MRAs" or what the fuck ever.

>>90300903
Still isn't funny

>>90300485
I feel like they could have left that line in verbatim, but then unpacked it a little bit later.
>Ronaldo! The Crystal Gems don't hate men!
>Uh, what? No no no, Steven, look again. That's "Men" with a capital "M," referring to all of humanity. Pay attention, gosh.

>>90300993
Thanks for sharing your shit taste.

>>90293312
To delay the plot.

>It's a Ronaldo episode

Fuuuuuuuuuuck that

>>90300903
>strawmen are okay if I agree

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I could easily see SU going the way of Adventure Time; a series with a strong initial run that quickly loses its own identity by creating an overarching storyline that seems to be made up from month to month. The addition of more storyboarders and animators creates a "too many cooks in the kitchen" effect, and character development seems to vanish as quickly as it appears (if it ever appears in the first place).

Currently you have a show that can't decide whether it wants to be a "slice-of-life about Beach City" or an "epic space fantasy full of DEEPEST LORE". One of them should have been picked from the start, except we seem to be getting a 60/40 split. You can't blame the CN scheduling rulebook for your lack of content, at some point you have to sit down and realize that months of quasi-hiatus is more than enough time to fix your weaknesses, flesh out a story, and choose a definitive direction to move in.

also the over-exaggerated sadness/angst combined with staff members' ukulele bandcamp OC is kitschy after all this time and gets irritating when it's even hinted at occurring

>>90294041
this is the best way to describe it

>>90294555
I think you need to go to school to learn to read.

>>90301085
>muh feelings :(
Grow a fucking spine.

>>90301359
>bad writing is okay if I agree with it

>>90294258
He has very developed empathy and when he bothers to try, pretty good problem solving skills.

He's sheltered and naive yeah, but he's not actually mising anything.

And no, acting feminine isn't a sign of mental failings.

>>90301376
>It's bad because it made fun of MY group
lol

>>90293966
Absolutely
S1 > other seasons
also Bismuth is the peak

>>90294292
IF EVERYONE WAS A PORKCHOP

>>90300415
Well they do hate humans at the very least. Or are at least indifferent to their existence.

>>90294368
>normal

>>90301377
>He has very developed empathy

I agree he doesn't have any legit mental issues but like many people said before me, they really need to stop crying and getting tear up so much, it really does take away from the actually dramatic scenes.

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>>90301455

But what happens when everyone is a hotdog?

>>90301395
>I like to see triggered therefore it's good writing
Kind of on the other end of the spectrum there, pal.

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>>90301571
chalk it up to the zany antics of a quirky cartoon town

are you excited for the inevitable Steven Universe GO! series anons?

>>90301532
Steven does have mental issues. He's supposed to be 14 and yet he acts like an 8 year old.

It's REALLY fucking distracting.

>>90301532
To be honest, this seems like what's going on now is the opposite of Steven's Birthday.

In that Steven is trying to force himself to stay small and cute and friendly and he's practically creaking from the strain.

>>90301665
It's the writers who have mental issues mate. He is their vessel.

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>for every 1 episode of plot in a season we get 3 episodes of filler

>>90301665
>>90301670

I've forgotten about that, guess i was wrong

>>90293312
Because Ronaldo is Matt the head writer's favorite character.

>>90294735
Steven or Ronaldo? I thought Ronaldo actually sounded a bit lower.

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Why couldn't Renaldo be like this guy?

>>90295502
There is no kind of good weeb/dork
>>90301777
They're actually really similar. Name some significant traits they don't have in common. Ronaldo being a fatass and blonde don't count.

>>90293312
this is the only bad Ronaldo episode tho

>>90293980
All those are imaginary children, anon. I doubt any of those are good representation of how children that age actually behave.

>>90293980
>Steven
>More stunted than Star

Are you kidding me? Go back to your cuck show.

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>people aren't watching show because its funny or entertaining
>only watching for non-existent plot that's held up by loose world building
No one actually gives a shit about this show. All people want to see is how this is going to end.

>>90293980
Honestly Stars isn't even a character. She has the voice of a 50 year old woman who chainsmokes, and has spastic random characteristics in place of actual depth. All of her 'depth" is just her reacting to various situations and instincts.

>>90293980
Are you really going to type with a straight face that Steven is worse at interacting with people and solving problems than Star fucking Butterfly?

>>90293312
Because the crewniverse has shit taste and Rebecca is a hackette

>>90293966
It's more that we're just realizing how low the ratio of good to bad episodes is.

>>90293472
When do they feel like working?

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>>90293966
No. For all we know it could just be a temporary dip like Adventure time suffered through.
Sure, right now it kinda sucks. But that doesn't say anything about the future.

>>90294041
How does Rebecca sleep at night?

>>90293312
Because CN wants to kill the show.

>>90293998
It's SU. It's been constantly called out for loads of shit since its debut. Anything people cry out about the MRA thing will just join the general sea of protest. People need to stop being so horribly oversensitive about SU and things in general

>>90293510
It appears that his entire family has french fry colored hair. I don't think they're dreads either.

>>90293438
why haven't you realized the episodes about the quirky town are what the show is about and the space war shit is the filler?

>>90293966
Not only is it fair
it's the truth

>>90293966
I personally think the show peaked in season 1 and has steadily gone downhill since then.
The first real stinker episode was that one after the invasion with Peridot and Jasper and all it was Steven not wanting to talk with Connie.
Complete waste of an episode, could have easily been erased from existence and it would change nothing, it showed how quickly they could drop plot for filler, it wasn't even funny or entertaining, just Steven moping like a little faggot for no reason.
Speaking of Steven they need to change his personality and his voice.

>>90301532

It's been shown numerous times, due to his half-gem side Steven is hyper-empathetic. To the point drilling the cluster was causing him enough pain to black out. It's meant to be implied he feels things much stronger then others and always tries to help others. However tends to neglect his own feelings and problems.

Steven's voice is explained by his VA getting older but trying to sound like he is younger. Steven being a hybrid also makes him age slower then normal humans (but he can change his age at will depending on his mental state). It's pretty weird.. and yeah I wish they'd just let him grow up a bit ala Steven's Birthday or how they did Finn in adventure time. But Finn is not a hybrid-mutant-alien either.

Other then that, yeah Steven sometimes seems naive or overlook things, he can be annoyingly happy and way too trusting. I guess it's kind of a flaw.. but deep down he seems to do the right thing and I do find myself rooting for him. Even at times tho, he does have kind of gary-stu esque abilities.

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>>90302408
Getting rid of the monster of the week episodes was their worst mistake, but i think only me and some other guy thinks like that

>>90301680
I hope the writers have mental breakdowns and become catatonic

>>90302439
>Steven is hyper-empathetic

Yeah i get that, i was talking about moments like "snakes have no legs" scenes where he starts crying over some bizzarre or mundane thing

>>90301884
Dib is smarter and far more aggressive.

I personally think there are several problems with SU.
Refusal to have the Gems interact with the townies.
Filler that is generally uninteresting.
Steven's maturity.
Steven's voice.
The wonky morals of certain arcs/eps.
Poorly handled characterization of important characters.
Unaddressed character hypocrisy. (Stuff like Steven and Kevin, which kind of falls into poor characterization)
Unsatisfactory plot arcs (Cluster, Bismuth)
Non-Fleshed world despite it being Season 4 already.

Overall though I think the worst offender is uninteresting filler.
Filler is not inherently bad or dull, it's just not central to the plot.
So with a series that's already 4 seasons in, I find it said that the SU Crew haven't found a good rhythm yet when it comes to filler.

>>90302476
the biggest sin of losing the Monster-of-the-week format, was the loss of such a format being highly capable of establishing a world.
Monster of the week makes it incredibly easy to establish SU's world, by the fact that the CG's often traveled to new locations to capture corrupted gems.

>>90302476
Having a none recurring villain that didn't require a backstory let them focus on the characters and developing them, now they either make a plot relevant story or a completely mundane people story, devoid of enemy gems because they don't know how to fit it into the story without touching the main Gemworld plot.
The magic and humor the show had in Cat Fingers, Frybo, Too Many Birthdays, Steven and the Stevens made those episodes feel entertaining despite not being part of the main story, now we just get things like Pearl being into a random girl because she looks like Rose, Ronaldo being insufferable for no rason, Steven as a baby, Onion having friends.
What the hell are these episodes, they are so normal and I personally don't think that's Sugar's strong point.

>>90302627
That's only because of the nature and style of that show. If Ronaldo was a IZ character he'd be identical to Dib. Dib in SU would be a lot like him.

>>90302476
Agreed wholeheartedly. If anything, at least a monster of the week allows for an episode to feel less empty and at least create some new, neat designs, unlike some of the stinkers we've been getting.

>>90302821
what stinkers are you talking about?
The Amethyst family?

>>90302271
Very comfortably in her big piles of jewdosh.

>>90302559
>i was talking about moments like "snakes have no legs" scenes
Gene Belcher literally did the same thing and he's what,12? Then again he's also kind of retarded like Steven.

>>90302864
i would venture to say that bob's burgers and steven universe are 2 very diferent shows, but thanks for the piece of trivia

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I think the monster of the week schtick ended because they ran into a wall trying to make corruption something that turns gems into abominations, while retaining the fact that shit like the Heaven Beetle and the Sand pillow are technically the same thing as whatever Jasper turned into.
So rather than iron out the specifics, they dropped the entire thing altogether.

>a show made by tumblr for tumblr acts like tumblr
What did you think was going to happen? What is surprising about the outcome here?

>>90302906
Can the pillow thing be the same as the mirror?

>>90302927
The mirror wasn't a corrupted gem. It was Lapis' regular gem shoved into a mirror.

>>90302839
I was mostly referring to when it comes to near-meaningless filler. The plot-loaded bombs are kind of their own beast

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>>90301665
Fucking this; I understand that this is a children's show but episodes similar to Onion Gang are fucking painful to watch.

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>>90302972
So while everyone turned into a weird chimera monster that one got turned into a pillow?

>>90302906
I just assumed that some of the "Missions" dealt with corrupted gems, while others, like the sand pillow, were just abandoned Gem tech/machinery, like the Pyramid.

>>90303052
no, the pillow was powered by a gem like lapis's mirror

>>90303097
Then why that one got currupted while lapis stayed the same?

>>90303078
>>90303097
Pretty sure the pillow is referred to as corrupted gem.
The Beetle on the other hand I definitely remember being referred to as a corrupted gem.

>>90303119
Now that i think about it, i guess pearl took the mirror before the curruption happend

>>90303130
>>90303119
was it corrupted? jeez, it's been a while. i should rewatch the old episodes again. i thought it was just a possessed object.

>>90295507
>I just want some stakes. Some adventure. Some development of the show's supposed lore. I just want it to DO SOMETHING WORTH WATCHING FUCK

Watch Legend Quest if you want something like that.

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>>90303179
Actually I'm looking over the transcript and it seems it really is just some kind of gem tech that went wonky over time.
Wiki has it listed as a corrupted gem for some reason.

Nevertheless we still have the corrupted gem that was stuck in the wall of the lighthouse as an example of non-bestial corruptions.

>>90300415
well if he had observed pearl in any form, then he could definitely say that.
Consider the following: the only real human interactions the gems have is with other women
Steven is a gem, he doesnt count. amythyst likes Greg, and that's it. mailman gets shut down hard, runs to town crying probably yelling about it. Mayor gets shut down at a public place. Greg is badmoutehd constantly by everyone but amythyst. only human with any good experience are women, Connie and Onionhead chick

>>90303333
>amethyst likes Greg
Are they just never going to address this again?
You'd think that'd come up when Pearl is bitching about him.

>>90302896
That's irrelevant. You were judging Steven's character as being retarded here >>90294258 based on your standards. I wasnt refuting anything, just pointed out its not abnormal behavior for a cartoon tween boy.

>>90303227
that's true. i'd say it was an experiment to see if corrupted gems could still power things, but homeworld evacuated before they sent out that ray that corrupted gems in the first place, and i doubt they'd try to use a gem to power a lighthouse

unless one of the crystal gems tried after poofing one? none of them seemed bothered by lapis being trapped in a mirror, and pearl seemed almost excited to explain that the mirror was gem-powered

it's entirely possible that a gem, especially a trapped one, can just become corrupted naturally, though

>>90303349
>Are they just never going to address this again
Nope

>>90303399
I just realized that the pillow might just be another case of Lapis Mirror, but since it has no way of communicating to anyone, it just went insane instead.

>>90303179
>>90303227
This is explained in Frybo. Gems and shards were used to power objects like suits of armor or tools for easy army building and servitude, but after enough time they become faulty. It's not related to the diamond corruption. We would know more about it if Steven fucking listened to Pearl instead of thinking about donuts or whatever bullshit he was monologuing about.

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>>90294041
late as fuck reply
the guys behind the show have already planned most of the story.

I don't have the source with me right now, but Sugar herself once stated that she has already one endgame in mind.

>>90303431
mm, that's right, i forgot about that. steven's great and all, but it would be a lot less frustrating if he gave a shit about important gem information

>>90303419
i think that's it. that must be why they go faulty, they're forced into silent servitude for centuries, and most of them ended up being abandoned. i know i'd go insane after being trapped for so long

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>>90303483
Here it is:
http://www.parentherald.com/articles/43952/20160517/steven-universe-ending-after-season-5-rebecca-sugar-teases-big-plans-and-more-on-gem-hierarchy-spoilers.htm


buckle up lads, she's going all in the following season

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>>90293312
This was the worst Ronaldo episode and it made him look terrible, but I do like his character and episodes most of the time. Why did they feel the need to make him look like an asshat?

>>90303778
Ronaldo was always terrible.

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>>90294065
>The crew ditched the most interesting episode format (monster of the week) in favor of pure SoL with occasional plot episodes.
>We don't even get weird gem artifact episodes anymore.

holy fuck you're right, I've been trying to think what felt so out of place and there it is. I don't even remember the last time they used to pad to go on a mission...

>>90303197
Why?

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>>90293966
It's starting to feel that way.

Like, there was the Zoo arc. That was pretty good. Shit actually happened. But here we are, four seasons in, and we still know nothing about things like Pink Diamond's death (outside of the vaguest details), corruption still hasn't been tackled, and there's a Diamond we haven't even seen yet.

So, coming off the heels of a big arc, what have we had so far?

>Snorefest Lapis and Peridot bullshit
>Lapis gets off scot free again
>A whole episode of Steven is mad at Rose
>Even though that shit was firmly established as far back as Bismuth and we didn't need a whole episode of just that
>fucking Rocknaldo

I'm already gearing up for Tiger Philanthropist being 11 minutes of solid nothing.

>>90303568
Shit, I just realized that's why Lapis was so good at mimicking Garnet and Amethyst. She was a mirror for so long it's easier for her to be someone else than her actual self unless she's around Steven.

>>90303707
"Sugar also addressed the possibility of expanding the world of "Steven Universe" to other forms of media"
Actually the ride may never end.

>>90304278
Becky is going to milk this shit for YEARS

>>90304310
I mean, the potential for mythos is there. So why not exploit it.

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>>90304085
Stakes: Clearly defined. It opens with the protagonist and his friends saving the world from an apocalypse, but the entity they thwarted steals the hero's hometown and everyone in it as vengeance. So they have to find a way to bring the town back and stop the villain from emerging a different way. There's a big 13 episode arc that wraps up nicely, however, each episode can be enjoyed on its own.
Adventure: Globetrotting, exploring the supernatural mythos of each place they visit. One of the earlier episodes has them resting at Pompeii where the spirits of all the people that died there during the volcanic eruption have formed a spectral community mirroring the one they had when they were all still alive.
Lore: There's an overarching one and most of the monsters get their own unique little animatic detailing their origins. Each of the cast members (outside of one) gets enough spotlight that you understand what their deal is and see how they develop and play off of one another.

I've honestly been thinking it hasn't been the same since season 1 ended

You know what was the biggest mistake? Peridot joining the team.

>>90293966
if stephen universe was good there'd be evidence, but when we look at an episode there's nothing there. it only got by by catering to reddit & tumblr with it's gibberish babytalk, nonsensical plots, and non-traditional gender roles & relationships

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>new episode comes out
>doesn't immediately confirm anything or add to the plot at all
>autists throw a fit and complain the show is ruined
>fast forward a season later, literally 90% of the episodes aired had an important piece of foreshadowing, character development, thematic subtext, or DEEP LORE
>autists praise the show as FUKKEN GENIUS

>>90300903
Not an argument

>>90304412
Compare her antics now to her actions when we first met her. She was interesting at the start and then she became "Stevenized" into a small retard

>>90304711
The exact same thing happens every single season and they don't seem to realize it.

The show works and the people who don't watch it aren't going to stop bitching regardless.

>>90305396
Neither was your bitching.

>>90303431
>We would know more about it if Steven fucking listened to Pearl instead of thinking about donuts or whatever bullshit he was monologuing about.

isn't it all but confirmed that he has a social/mental disorder? The only question is that whether it was there from birth or developed because they kept him out of school and he was raised by non-humans who still infanilize him.

Seriously he's old enough to end in high school, let him fucking go he clearly needs it.

Has there ever been a good townie episode? Most of them are either boring or painfuly cringey.

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>>90304711
Also god damn why is everything about MUH DEEP LORE in a children's cartoon? Fucking every show has at least one non-plot related episode and the second it does people bitch.

Just because you feel inadequate watching a kid's cartoon and not having your brain stimulated by it so you can go on Reddit, tip your fedora, and post your "epic" theories, doesn't mean that an episode or entire show was automatically useless or bad.

>>90305770
Since the birthday episode showed he could off himself with his mind alone by just losing control into depression, the gems continuing to treat him like a child and doing nothing to rein in his ADD/autism is actually a huge plot hole

Fuck if anything it's worse now considering all the shit he's seen. That kid should have a counselor asap

>>90305807
The thing is that SU tried to be heavily plot-driven, then failed to deliver. If it was nothing but townie slice of life since day 1, nobody would complain. But instead they started all those epic storylines, then bait-and-switched everyone and failed to resolve anything in a satisfying way. SU easily has the worst pacing in the history of serialized animation, and it being "for kids" doesn't excuse it. There are plenty of SoL shows that /co/ loves, they just don't attempt to be deeper than they are.

>>90306029
Yep, just look at Gumball. Any everyone pretty much loves Adventure Time more before it started going into its Lore.

Steven Universe went heavy into the lore and story development and that's why people loved the show. To just put the show in hold now after they went heavy on story is obviously going to frustrate people. SU also does SoL worse than almost any other show by having the dumbest, most uninteresting characters.

>>90300729
Thats what the show needs to have. Dynamism. Where even the townie episodes are fun.

>>90301777
He's a toned down versioon

>>90306062
It a shame that most of SU filler episode suck. Especially because they love doing it so much.

>>90293510
Have you seen Boardwalk Empire and Michael Pitt character hair? Think it look like that minus it being clean and slick.

Simply disheaveled and without any hair products to keep it clean and slick.

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>>90293312
Ronaldo isn't too bad a character, it was just badly exicuted filler.

>And why isn't Ronaldo pissed at Steven for ruining his previous relationship, she was cute.

>>90303817
If you take him seriously, sure. I always saw him as a gag character, like Onion.

>>90306326

I keep hearing people saying they got back together off screen but i don't know

Plus the writers made that as a joke, a shit one since everyone cries and shit their pants at the drop of a hat, except this time becouse fuck ronaldo

>>90294551
>gems aren't sexually classified as male nor female
>they hate men
>sound like Ronaldo is talking about feminists/tumblr/take that to the fandom
I mean, the Crewniverse NEED writers to maintain consistency. Not boarders who are both and decide on a whim to add something in because "plot? What plot? It's whatever, dude." Then again, some heil from AT and RS alumni, so, whatever they learnt working on those shows bleedthrough SU.

>>90306378
>Except this time because fuck Ronaldo

Because if you're even a vaguely antagonistic character not named 'Lapis' or 'Peridot' you can go fuck yourself as far as the characters and writers are concerned.

>>90294511
Series finale, anon. Wait and see.

Steven'll slug a backpack over his shoulder, run downstairs, bread erupt from the toaster, he launch into the air and take a bite, exit the house and say by to Greg.

Connie is waiting outside, "Ready to go?"; "You bet'cha." They hold hands and walk off in the distance.

Give it a classical cliché anime epilouge.

>>90294755
>I still love how that's the biggest fucking plot hole in the story, there's fuck all reason for him not be going
It'll happen during the series finale to exemplify Steven's character growth.

>>90294511
>>90294555
>>90294584
>>90294755
>>90306479
>>90306504

Steven went to school with Connie in that one official comic with awful art. That whole deal is done and over with.

End result was that he was expelled because of endangering other students with Gem bullshit, but not before he got top grades on a test and everyone realized he'd actually learned everything he needed from his various mentors and from reading books and the internet.

>>90306479
I could see them stealing NGE's alt universe exactly for an ending

>>90294949
So, Steven and the entire cast are living in a threater? That'll explain,
>why everyone break into musical numbers
>why Steven never attend school
>why the denziens are or have become indifferent to the Crystal Gems
It's basically actors playing characters.

Can't wait for the episode where they attend a play and by the end of the episode they unmask themselves to be regular people playing the characters.

>>90306568
Fuck that sounds stupid

>>90305807
>Fucking every show has at least one non-plot related episode and the second it does people bitch.
I think, personally, it's because when a show does deepest lore, it means it's actually using it's material to it's possible fullest potential instead of being episode of the week. It's not that there's anything wrong with episode of the week it's just that if you do one and especially if you build off that one later, fans are going to expect you to commit as they see the potential in a greater story. The balance of non-plot to plot episodes is important for this and especially so if the non-plot episodes aren't very good such as Rocknaldo or most of the other non-plot episodes that have been around lately

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>>90306568
>but not before he got top grades on a test and everyone realized he'd actually learned everything he needed from his various mentors and from reading books and the internet.

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>>90293980
Daily reminder that in a 300 years you'll all be dead in a grave and this "autistic faggot" right here will be the cavalry of the revolution on the battlefield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgcxd9wtXUE [Embed]

>>90294065
Animation quality had plummeted too.

>>90306855
It's a cartoon nig

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>>90306855
>Daily reminder that in a 300 years you'll all be dead in a grave and this "autistic faggot" right here will be the cavalry of the revolution on the battlefield.

I remember that thread, what was that guy thinking i wonder

>>90302849
Rude. His name is Ian and that pet name is both anti-Semitic and racist.

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>>90304278
>to other forms of media"

tfw when the Sucrose ruse cruise makes a stop at VN town

>>90306591
I really want to see No Need For Greg

>>90305807
>Fucking every show has at least one non-plot related episode and the second it does people bitch
Thing is, Sugar have said she like to see the show like a puzzle and want viewers to connect the pieces. So, even the filler episodes of Steven Universe are rooted to the main plotline (in her eyes). Hench, often, the arguements.

Any other show can air filler and nobody would complain because the episode don't effect the overall story nor try to make it a little bit meaningful by tossing in last minute pieces to the puzzle.

Hell, look at Rocknaldo,
>half of the fanbase sought it as unnecessary filler and nothing to contribute to the story
>the other half tried to decipher every tidbit because they think it is foreshadow for subsequent events to occur in upcoming episodes

>>90302066
When the show isn't really funny or entertaining by it's own merits, it makes sense for people to only watch for "plot"

>>90294425
You forgot Murdercock.

Can we all agree that we wouldn't mind the episode that didn't directly tie into the plot if;
A: The CGs actually interacted with the townies in a meaningful way.
and/or
B: They did episodes about missions and corrupted gems again.

Looking back at season 1 the contrast between its townie episodes and the current ones is palpable, and the lack of missions or corrupted gems is notable when that was the show's main shtick at its introduction. Really hoping that Tiger Philanthropist is similar to Tiger Millionaire in that we actually get some gem/townie interaction again, beyond the gems just sarcastically shrugging things off and not really getting involved like they did in Rocknaldo.

>>90304278
>Steven Universe: Boardway Musical
>Steven Universe: Video Game
>Steven Universe: Pachinko
>Steven Universe: Karaoke
>Steven Universe: Movie

Aw man, I thought storm in the Room was legitimately entertaining to watch. We don't really have many episodes that show off the weird mom issues Steven has about Rose. Nearly every time Rose is brought up is when someone is speaking of her crimes or her triumphs. Steven is only there to soak it up. The episode felt like the first one in a while of Steven attempting to attack those feelings for a better sense of understanding and forming his own opinion of what he sees Rose as other than "was she good? Was she bad? I don't really know."

>>90307072
>the other half tried to decipher every tidbit because they think it is foreshadow for subsequent events to occur in upcoming episodes

Its it really foreshadow when characters talk nonsense or otherwise unrelated shit?i always found SU foreshadowing somewhat lacking becouse it was always something along the lines of

>"I sure love this water park, i hope it never explodes!"
>2 seasons later it explodes
>"woah! see guys? that episode was totally not a waste of time!"

>>90307250
>B: They did episodes about missions and corrupted gems again.

I really miss those.

>>90307308
Woops, was I response to bowie, here >>90304106

>>90307293
>Steven Universe: the Flamethrower
The kids'll love it

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>>90303483
Sounds familiar

>>90304036
Latest episode actually. Did we get to see it? Of course not.

>>90307320
While the last one was technically The Kindergarten Kid, that episode was a direct result of the Jasper arc, as were the other mission episodes from season 3. In fact, looking through some episodes now, the last corrupted gem episode that didn't directly impact the plot in some way was Nightmare Hospital, and if you don't count the fusion experiments then Reformed. All the way back in April of 2015.

>>90294949
But steven explored the world with lapis?

>>90302922
>tumblr actually hates the show now
Wew

>>90307435

Only the US east coast, and I'm pretty sure they didn't introduce any new locations, though it was the first time we actually saw Empire City and Jersey.

They just went to Korea a few epiodes ago though.

>>90306897
My guess would be about sending his mom to get moar weed.

>>90307603
>Empire City and Jersey.

To be fair we didn't actually see them, we just got the postcard version of them

>>90307308
It would have been better if this had been a reason to have a conflict with the gems. They love her to death, he's indifferent to her at best, and there could have been a genuine plot from that conflict.

>>90306897
I was the poster he was responding too. I thought for sure he was fucking with us but he lost his shit and called all the responders same fags

>>90306568
Is that stupid shit cannon?

>>90302807
Dib is a bit more careful about his supernatural beliefs, even if just a bit. Whereas Dib knew that one paranormal investigator was an idiot for focusing on 'Count Cocofang', I feel like Ronaldo would have totally bought into it. And like that anon said, Dib is more agressive/brave but Ronaldo's just a dumbass. He might have been a fun character, but this episode just cemented to me how annoying he is. He came off as a huge jerk with hardly any endearing qualities.

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>>90307718
>I thought for sure he was fucking with us but he lost his shit and called all the responders same fags

So did i, i didn't know how to feel when i realise he said it without a hint of sarcasm, in hindsight it was pretty funny

>>90307700
I want to know how they'll explain the plot hole of not usin Bismuth's invention.

Rose assasinated a diamond, started a huge civil war that resulted in the deaths of thousands of gems (everyone but the trio and bismuth died), but for some reason actually killing enemy gems is too much? That makes no fucking sense, it's inconsistent as shit. They start a war by killing what is essentially a space queen and then decide they are going to fight the war without killing anyone?

Also I still need an explanation as to why home world ignored earth after winning the war. I mean they were pretty shocked that there were still crystal gen rebels on the planet. Did they do the cluster core out of revenge after the war or what is during the war somehow secretly done without the crystal gems finding out they put massive amounts of broken gen shards in the core?

Also why the fuck did they send only Jasper and the Rubies to go get "Rose" ala Steven when they misunderstood her vein alive? she's probably the most wanted terrorist to their people that caused massive amounts of death, why wouldn't they go stomp her out?

>>90307875
>They start a war by killing what is essentially a space queen and then decide they are going to fight the war without killing anyone?

It's unclear if she was killed at the start or near the end of the war. The implication I got was that they stuck to non-lethal tactics for the most part, but Pink Diamond was never going to surrender and so they had to ice her to have a chance at ever winning.

Or something. Because the show flatly fucking refuses to get to the point and is constantly wandering off whenever the subject is brought up.

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>>90305807
>Also god damn why is everything about MUH DEEP LORE in a children's cartoon?

because the autists need a reason to keep watching

Not me though, I genuinely find the interactions between the characters entertaining, and I think that's probably the strongest aspect of the show.

the lore stuff is just a side dish

>>90307875
Addressing your points one by one;

It's possible that Rose was either forced into a situation where she either had to shatter Pink Diamond or be shattered herself, and/or after shattering Pink Diamond decided that shattering gems was wrong because of how terrible it was when she shattered her. That entire scenario is still pretty poorly understood at the moment.
Second point I don't actually know, maybe they just decided to turn it into a geoweapon and figured there wasn't any use getting invested anymore if the place was gonna blow sky-high in 5000 years.
Peridot only reported on the CGs and something called a "Steven", they probably just sent Jasper to investigate to see that she wasn't full of shit. They didn't know that Steven had Rose's gem until Jasper arrived and they only sent the Rubies to retrieve Jasper. Homeworld has no idea that any trace of Rose is still left.

>>90307990
Im not that anon but, didn't they introduce themselves to peridot as Cristal Gems? So why wouldn't they know there's CGs still alive?

>>90307875

Okay first off, Pink Diamond was shattered at the end of the war, not the beginning. Likely as a last resort. As a rule, the Crystal Gems only poofed enemy gems.

Second, Homeworld didn't win the war, they lost it. They basically used the nuclear option while retreating, leaving both their own armies and the Crystal Gems corrupted and the planet presumed uninhabitable.

Third, the cluster project was started a long time before the end of the war, when Homeworld was on the defensive and it seemed unlikely that the planet could ever be turned into a colony the way they intended. The Crystal Gems didn't notice because all the facilities were hidden underneath the Prime Kindergarten, which presumably remained under Homeworld control until the end of the war.

Fourth, Homeworld never learned that Rose survived. All they knew is that a few random Crystal Gems were still alive. Jasper only discovered her when she arrived on Earth, and indeed thought it was so important that he cancelled Peridot's mission so he could take Steven to Yellow Diamond instead. But she never got to report this to Homeworld before the ship crashed, so Homeworld still has no idea Rose still exists. If they did, they would invade Earth within days.

>>90302258
>temporary dip like Adventure time
>temporary

>>90308079
I pointed that out in my post man, they probably sent Jasper down to verify Peridot's claim and figured she could handle a few survivors like Peridot described.

>>90293504
I really doubt that they get any money from complaining blogfags that more likely don't buy any merchandise.

>>90308336
altough its just me talking i was a bit confused that they only send 1 guy to protect peridot for this very important weapon/experiment and when their top guy failled they sended their 5 worst to the rescue as if they would be better suited for the threat that took out their top guy

Still, its just nitpicking

>>90302122
>50 year old woman who chainsmokes
Are we watching the same show?

>>90307476
Some guy made a prank post about the show being cancelled and people were literally having panic attacks over it. I think it's safe to say they're still very much attached to it

Then again these guys have panic attacks over everything so who knows

>>90293966
It really tries your patience inbetween arcs. It would have been good if they kept some sort of continuity in the townie arc, but instead the two worlds are completely disjointed. I think we should have a rewatch thread where we try to look fack and find what went wrong.

>>90303483
And what has Tarkus to do with that?

>>90293980
Sweet bait. Steven if anything is one of the most mature characters around.
They even teased us with having him age in the second birthday episode but then they wimped out with a bullshit moral because they're hacks and the network needs its recognizable character design.

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>>90306459
I always thought it was Larz who was supposed to be antagonistic?

>Ok, would a drawfriend be so kind as to make a threesome with Connie's, Onion's and Lars mum?

>>90303483
You can have all the endings you fancy, it counts for shit if you lack the middle of the story

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This show is just not fun anymore, the episodes are either plot episodes or slice of life without any of the magical parts of the show that makes it different from other settings.
Rocknaldo episode was just an incredibly annoying selfish guy that wanted to hang out, no extraordinary twist to how the characters interact or what makes this situation different than others.
In Too Many Birthdays, it's a simple concept, a birthday episode but taking the concept of growing up and getting older to an extreme that could only happen with these characters and their unique powers using humor and feeling.
Huge drop in quality and philosophy of how to approach concepts. A lot of the "filler" episodes lately could have just as easily been told with normal human characters and nothing would have changed, they are dropping the ball if you ask me.

>>90308869
>I always thought it was Larz who was supposed to be antagonistic?

Ronaldo started out in that role in his first major episode.

As for Lars,he doesn't like Steven. And how can anyone blame him? Everytime Steven goes near him his life gets worse and yet Steven insists on pestering him.

Being antagonistic to Steven, especially after The New Lars, is incredibly rational.

>>90293966
the zoo episodes were amazing, and there has been like what? 2 episodes since them? calm yo tits

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>>90311419
I just want Greg to be happy again...

>>90310383
>A lot of the "filler" episodes lately could have just as easily been told with normal human characters and nothing would have changed,

I think you nailed it on the head why the show is starting to lose quality. Either they are shoving plot development in your face or they are doing SoL shit that doesn't use anything in the SU universe.

Gumball is a fantastic foil to this. There is no overarching plot or "deep" background story. It's usually simple things like being late to school, getting your first kiss, having a fight with your sibling, going trick or treating. But they take those simple ideas and throw it into the Amazing World of Gumball universe and it becomes amazing.

SU just kind of turns itself off when it isn't advancing the narrative. Like you said it could be told by any other normal character from ant other show. The jokes are far and few between and people seem to like it just because they have an over attachment to the characters. Take any SoL story in SU and write out the plot without using the characters from SU and it comes off ridiculously bland.

>>90293312
Ronaldo is a great character. This particular episode was just shit.

>>90311970
That's something I noticed starting in season 2, too. In the first season, most the mundane episodes usually had at least some magical element to it (I think Shirt Club was the only one, with arguably Joking Victim). There have been a lot of outright mundane townie episodes since then.

>>90312181
It would also explain why people get upset when an episode is filler again. Because if it's not important it really isn't Steven Universe.

Remember that episode where Steven took too long to get Connie back to her place and he kept living through multiple outcomes because Garnet lent him her foresight? That's an example of using the universe you've created to enhance a SoL

>>90312181
Compare Onion Trade from season 1 with Onion House or Onion's Gang for a good example of how the townie episodes have changed.

>>90304711
I agree with to a certain extent. I went through a phase during S2 when I started to fall out of love with the show, and as soon as it started picking up again I got back into it. S4 was decent at first, then slumped, then picked back up with the space arc and I'm back on board again.

Pacing is the main issue, not the townie episodes (not that they're without problems, god no).

>>90312498
For the better? Onion Friend is immensely better to generic magical artifact goes haywire plot 52355262.

Not to mention Onion Trade is fucking boring even WITH that stuff.

So I watched a video from E;R about the latest SU episode, and saw in the comments that everyone hated the episode. Decided to watch it and it was pretty funny. Should I watch the whole show? Is it worth the watch?

>>90312576
I'll never understand the hate for Onion Trade. I thought it was hilarious.

>>90312688
>E;R

/co/ fucking hate that guy, don't mention him unless you want to drown in autism

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>>90304532
Oh my god what the fuck.
What a gigantic load of tripe.

>>90312688
E;R?

>>90312576
Onion Friend was poorly written, had strange stuff like Steven narrating everything with no explanation, had a notable drop in animation quality even for SU for some reason, introduced a bunch of one-off characters that seemed to barely serve any purpose even in the episode they were in, and generally seems to have served no purpose in developing the characters, world, or plot. Onion Trade wasn't fantastic or anything, but Onion Friend was fucking garbage.

>>90312930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlqEvkhl0So

>>90307250
>B: They did episodes about missions and corrupted gems again.
YOU GUYS SHOULDN'T HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT MOTW FORMAT

LOOK WHAT HAPPENED

>>90293966
Iv moved onto star vs until Steven universe gets lore and battle heavy again.

>>90312931
You mean, Onion Gang, right?

>>90312994
his video on the show in general is awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j38aX4JxINQ

for some reason this board thinks its important enough to shill to so you can never usually post commentary without them flipping out

>>90293312
Rebecca if you make one (1) more episode like that I will come and shit in your chimney.
Explore gem society, progress with the story, go!

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>>90315712
Patience, young one

>>90293312
I ask this and the same question about lars

>>90316524
There's what, two or three more before SU jukes the Zuke?

This one being a prime reason she needed juking

>>90315712
They just had a five episode arc where the cast went into fucking outer space and infiltrated a gem outpost.

But spend one episode on non-lore stuff and people act like the plot hasn't progressed in years.

This episode was funny. Screw the haters, they're probably just butthurt because Ronaldo represents them and, like Ronaldo, they're too pretentious to laugh at themselves.

>>90317278
Part of that is that the end of that arc seemed like it was setting a clock.

And now, in show time, we're at least a full week from them having gotten back, and nothing has come of that.

And there's the problem with this one specifically, in that it really didn't do anything. The only point of the plot was... having Ronaldo be goofy for 11 minutes.

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>>90306855
>revolution
He can't figure out kind of donut he wants, let alone lead a revolution. Hope his shit gets kicked in by actual fighters.