Does Steven Universe represent everything that's wrong in

No, you're thinking of Spongebob (repetitive humor, no character development, endless seasons, Korean sweat shop animation), Monster High (show blatantly only exists to sell toys), literally any show cancelled after 1-2 seasons on a cliffhanger, or Johnny Test (lazy flash animation).

>>90241461
It marks things much more than any other show airing.

whip crack

>>90241461
It represents the horrible tumblr/lgbt agenda which has been plaguing cartoonists and animators since AT.

>>90241461
In terms of recently approved and still running shows, OH HELL YES.

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>>90241590
>doesn't watch teh show
>acts like an expert about the show

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>>90241590

>>90241630
>>90241785
cancer

>>90241461
nah, it high lights some problems with culture in general but oh well. The problems with animation are different, that's really outside the realm of culture.

>>90241785
>>90241630
>fanbase literally threatening animators and other users with death because they didn't appeal to their retarded ships
SU has the worst fanbase in the world. If you're a part of this cesspool just do the world a favor and kill yourself.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/why-am-no-longer-steven-universe-fan

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>>90241461
I'm gonna go ahead and say it: shows like The Simpsons and Family Guy are what's wrong.
Evergreen franchises that have run their course a long time ago but still survive because of people that want to pretend that their stories are still worth a damn.

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>>90241935
Seeing them get their comeuppance, while rare, is incredibly hilarious, though.

>>90241461
Not everything, but it represents an aspect of problems. The other aspects are equally divided between so-called "adult" shows and lich-tier undying shit like Spongebob and FoP.

>>90241507
I'm just gonna go ahead and fill in the blank here with Tron Legacy.

>>90242025
What aspect of the problem?

Cause yeah, it uses Korean sweat shop animators, but it doesn't really show.

>>90242047
Those shows just dry up the industry and nullifies any competition. Nick was on the verge of destruction just because of their retarded cartoon policy if it weren't for fresh stuff coming and manage to handle things.

>>90241935
Letting a fandom dictate how you enjoy a show is retarded.

Especially if they dictate it by making you not enjoy a show.

There's pretty much no circumstance where you have to interact with other fans.

>>90242080
>Those shows just dry up the industry and nullifies any competition
Explain.

>>90242106
Do I look like Google you faggot? Just search if you want to learn more about it.

>>90242093
>There's pretty much no circumstance where you have to interact with other fans.
Unless you're an artist who just wants to share your artwork with other fans and then they harrass you online and IRL to the point of making you attempt suicide.

But I mean, that happens with EVERY fandom. Definitely nothing to do with SU specifically.

>>90242139
>making you attempt suicide.

damn that's impressive

>>90242139
>But I mean, that happens with EVERY fandom
Nah, real fandoms kill you themselves like those Slenderman worshiping girls.

Actually that girl barely survived IIRC. But still, she was stabbed 19 times.

>>90242138
I don't know what to google because I don't understand what you're trying to say cause you didn't give enough context you fucking idiot.

You can dry up an industry and nullify competition in a lot of fucking ways.

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Hardly.

Whether or not you like SU is a personal taste. It's guilty of as many lazy mistakes as any other show, and it's worthy of just as much praise as any other show.

The cartoon representative of the poison in the industry is Teen Titans Go, which is a McDonalds hamburger at its BEST and is force fed to consumers out of network laziness and, it would almost seem, MALICE. It cuts corners wherever possible and is basically on the air as often as commercials.

Love or hate SU, you still have to ~try~ to watch it. Teen Titans Go! is just what they air between programs. And in a way, it's heartlessness and it's repetitiveness and it's total assertive insistence that it has to exist based on merchandise and viewers is kind of a microcosm for what's wrong with industy, period: innovation doesn't maximize profits, saturation does. Shortcuts are good and risks are bad. Peter Frampton sold over a million copies of Frampton Comes Alive and I don't want to put your song on the radio unless your band can promise me returns like that.

Inb4
>Triggered

I just get kind of stressed out thinking about the commercial part of commercial art.

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>>90242153
The brutality of mid-20s trannies who are obsessed with a childrens' cartoon should never be underestimated.

>>90242185
>you didn't give enough context
I'm not here to feed you you dumb fuck. Just take my opinion and deal with it. You deserve nothing much.

>>90242195

I should clear up that by "have to try" I mean that it takes effort to watch an episode of Steven Universe. It's not just playing for 9 hours a day, and you can avoid it if you feel like it.

>>90242215
>Just take my opinion and deal with it.
I'd love to but I don't understand what it is.

But you sound like an ass-hat so forget it.

>>90242222
TTGo is only playing for 7 hours a day.

>>90242225
Not him but he was talking about Sponge Bob and shit like FoP. I think it's obvious what he points at.

>>90242240
>Not him but he was talking about Sponge Bob and shit like FoP. I think it's obvious what he points at.
Those shows have very little in common with Steven Universe so if that's his point he's just god damn wrong.

If he were talking about TTGo, sure.

>>90242264
SU is just another part of the problem, unending cancer like Sponge Bob is another, TTGo is a whole new issue which needs to be dealt with. There isn't a single show that accumulates everything wrong in itself.

>>90242225

Wait Wait I got this. Anon is just talking about how it's a bad thing that shows are on for longer than they should be

>>90242222
Nice quads

>>90242298
>Anon is just talking about how it's a bad thing that shows are on for longer than they should be
Since seasons 2 and 3 got split into seasons 2/3 and 4/5 and we aren't even finished with season 4, that's some bullshit.

Fuck's sake.

>>90241461
SU does not deserve all the hate it gets (although its tumblr fanbase does), while probably overrated it's an above average cartoon with way deeper lore than other similar shows.The main reason it gets a bad reputation is because people hear about it's progressive themes and assume its feminist propaganda shit without giving it a chance.

Other people in the thread have given good examples of shows that are an actual cancer on the industry.

You can ask that when the Powerpuff Girls reboot exists?

>>90241935
Judging a show by its fanbase. you are doing it wrong, man.

>>90242478
If a show attracts the kinds of fan SU has, then there has to be something inherently wrong going on.

>>90242516
Counterpoint: Man-Faye

Be thankful there's no pic related

>>90242478
>waah we are good but our fanbase is bad
There's no such thing. Fanbase and show correspond with each other.

>>90242429
>progressive themes
Making every single character in your show as lesbians or "minorities" doesn't count as progressive. It's sjw pandering.

>>90242546
>Fanbase and show correspond with each other.
Nightmare Before Christmas

>>90242577
I think they pulled it off without being preachy or forcing anything down your throat. Influenced heavily by Rebecca's own views but always (usually) putting the quality of the cartoon first.

t. Trump supporting /pol/ user

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>>90241461

*best

>>90242698
Nightmare Before Christmas fandom is ok. You're mistaking them with Hot Topic-tier Corpse Bride fandom.

>>90242750
So you're just going to pretend there isn't a Hot Topic-tier Nightmare Before Christmas fandom?

>>90242776
There is a thin but a sharp difference between those 2 fandoms. Actual Nightmare Before Christmas fandom was never that big and remained with their own boundaries. On the other hand, Corpse Bride fandom emerged in mid 00's and commonly mistaken with NBC fandom, even other Burton Related fandoms often mistake them. Corpse Bride fans usually loved NBC, but NBC fans never enjoyed Corpse Bride that much, you can tell the difference.

>>90241461
>pickle and peaunut
>uncle grandpa
>TTG
>PPGnu

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>>90241590
Once we fear the boogieman we become the boogieman.

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>>90241935
Every fanbase has its share of obsessed retards. If you choose to let them affect you why should that affect the rest of us?

>>90242894
It's like Beetlejuice movie fandom and Beetlejuice cartoon fandom, I get it now.

>>90242894
>Corpse Bride fans usually loved NBC
Which would make them NBC fans and thus a part of the NBC fandom, thus making the NBC fandom cancerous.

>>90242957
Not really, you see NBC fandom never openly accepts them as part of NBC. They may be called an alternative/syndicalist NBC fandom but it's quite different than the original NBC fandom as NBC doesn't taint itself with post 00's Burton productions just like any other 90's Burton-relatied fandom.

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>>90241590
>calls a show about a bunch of dysfunctional/emotionally stunted females raising a kid in nigh on abusive conditions where the only good parent is his dad."sjw" and "tumblr" agenda

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>>90241461
>fat ugly color clashing CalArts blobs on a matte background that doesn't match its style
>cheap voice acting
>repetitive music
>risible fight choreography
>progressive/left-wing themes
>cancerous fanbase with tumblr shit, attacks on artists, "gemsonas", etc.

If fans of SU had but one neck.

>>90243090
>heavy homosexual themes
>promotes (((tolerance))) and (((diversity)))
>not sjw and tumblr agenda
You can't change facts you rock fucking dyke.

>>90243093
>>90241590
>>90241935
>oh nooo people like something I dont like
Ok faggots. what are you gonna do, kill rebecca sugar? There is nothing you can do but cry.

>>90243150
We don't try to kill or lead people to suicide unlike you do.

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>>90242195
>Crappy kids show have more of a toxic impact in the western cartoon industry than Steven Universe.
TTG is just a crappy advertising product that doesn't really do any harm to anything but the Teen Titans franchise in general to secondaries and people unfamiliar with the comics despite half-assingly "fixing" Cyborg and Raven's personality problems. Steven Universe is pretty much the equivalent to Sword Art Online where both shows gain a huge popularity spike in the peak and then slowly become more and more generic and boring the more it became popular, despite them not being any interesting before said spike happened.

>Pre-Jailbreak SU = SAO when it was just a crappy isekai LN
>Post-Jailbreak SU = SAO when it got an anime adaptation (When both franchises got their peak audience)
>Cluster arc = ALO arc (Where both shows start to fall apart)
>Now = Gungale arc ("I only watch it because everyone won't shut the fuck up about it)

Why you think Cartoon Network isn't worth watching anymore outside WBB/Gumball/[as]?

>>90241461

honestly it represents the only things that are right with the cartoon industry

>>90243236
Setting the bar so low that by having a show where your audience hates almost every character and don't mind how cheap the animation is that they would eat up anything? What if Cartoon Network played nothing BUT Steven Universe?

>>90243129
>show about not being an asshole
>must be sjw propaganda

>>90241590
>tumblr
>He still haven't seen those fascist Tumblr blogs

>>90241461
PPG 2016 or 2010's I guess now.
>Ugly animation
>Cheap cash grab
>Trys to hard to be hip and cool with the kids
>Tried to be PC but backfired

>>90242900
Why do you dislike UG? Its today's spongebob.

>>90243286
Why are you describing teen Titans go?

>>90242012
What happened in pic relatd?

>>90243129
>implying being gay is bad
>usig echos unironically
>implying a bit of tolerance is a bad thing
>muh agendas

go buy more water filters so the frogs don't get turned gay

>>90243470

Not >>90242900 but speaking personally the humor is at best unfunny and at worst grating.

>>90243184
>pinning the actions of the few on the many

wew

>>90241461
it basically represents nothing wrong with the industry as a cartoon

I think we can talk about its fandom and how there are things wrong with it, but I think its just sort of an expanding problem we have seen since the brony wave

and I think we can talk about the networks and how this show is handled demonstrates problems with them, the more time goes by the more I am certain especially Nick and CN have no clue what they are doing anymore, its like they are flailing around trying to adapt to the modern age but have no clue what they are doing, Disney doesn't really care since the tv channel doesn't actually need to support itself the way Nick and CN do

but the show itself isn't a problem its one of the few good shows around

As most people have said if you wanna talk about problem in the cartoon industry talk about things like the Fox "adult" cartoons, which are far more juvenile then thing like SU or Star Vs, zombie shows like Spongebob, FOP. Shitty reboots that no one wanted like TTGO or PPG2016

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>>90243493
Are you fucking kidding me? What does some shitty gag cartoon have to do with a "colorful, safe and progressive" cartoon that sets the standards of cartoons back to the fucking Hanna-Barbera clone era because of mentally-stunted adults thinking Uta no Prince-rotoscopes and butch dike midget giving a cyclops midget a hickey is a pinnacle of animation?

Do you not know the difference between a toyetic cartoon that barely did anything to Teen Titans outside of releasing a movie with the '83 team and an actual cartoon, even when both of them are shit? No you don't, because you're just some fucking entry-level faggot who started getting heavily invested in animation in the 00's without appreciating and looking into all types of animation. The whole entire animation industry is full of shitty "kids" cartoons only adults give a damn about and romcoms and isekai anime that all look alike and you have to dig and dig and dig to find something good and unique in this heap of shit.

But yeah go ahead and meme up TTG as "The worst cartoon ever" when shit like Butt-Ugly Martians, cheap dollar-bin cartoons and Amos and Andy exist because you are too fucking lazy to not watch anything else but whatever's on CN/Nick/DisneyXD and you have to rely on your cartoon critics who barely have any knowledge of the medium of animation to tell you what to watch.

>>90241539
What did he mean by this?

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For those who actually watch the show, what are some episodes you would recommend? People are bitching it's full on swj, the plots are shit, when does it get interesting?

>>90242210
what happened to zamii anyway

>>90243951
skip all episodes about the humans living in the town, nothing but unnecessary filler shit that explains the most basic shit about friendship to autists

>>90241461
No, anon, that's Adventure Time's thing.

>>90243951
if you wanna get right into plot shit, skip to Mirror Gem and Ocean Gem, if that doesn't interest you nothing will

if you just want to check out some comedy episodes, maybe check out Steven and the Stevens that was always a favorite of mine

nothing wrong with just starting from the beginning but honestly Steven starts kind of annoying and slowly gets cuter, at least in my opinion

>>90241461
I wish they'd get ANYONE else to voice Steven.

It's so bad.

I can't wait for this shitty show to end.

>>90244000
>Steven starts kind of annoying and slowly gets cuter,

The art style and the voice reflect this as well. He starts out as a gross blob with a puberty voice and now he's all chibified and has a higher pitched not-so-puberty voice.

>>90243951
If you don't care about character development and/or world building, start at Ocean Gem, then move to warp tour.
If you care about world building, start from arcade mania and skip townie episodes.
If you want character development, start from Gem Glow.

>>90241461
No, but it definitely has the worst voice-acting since Star Ocean Till The End of Time.

How can you guys like a show where everyone sounds so... amateur?

>>90244092
Steven is voiced by a 20 year old man.

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>>90244179
definite improvement

I like shota Steven way more than awkward fat tween Steven

then again I actually like a lot of show where the main character is basically an eternal 10 year old now that I think about it

>>90244220
Then why didn't they cast him as older?

The faux children's voice is fucking awful.

>>90241461
Are you really saying this to start critical discussion or are you just baiting because you think the show is "muh tumblr SJW shit fest"

>>90244247
I like newer Steven a lot more too. I just think they went a little bit overboard with pitching his voice up recently. I think season 2/season 3 was a good level. Not puberty voice but not too high pitched. Now his voice is higher than it's ever been.

>>90244195
if you hate all the characters and are just watching because you're still somehow holding out hope that the plot will take another super dark ebin twist and stop having homeworld be a source of jokes, i mean thats your right but please dont pollute /co/ with your stupidity

>>90242577
Except every single character isn't. Even the protagonist is a straight white male.

>>90242138
>I don't have to explain myself to you
>figure it out through the magic of jewgle

>>90244292
but Steven is a minority because he is part gem

and Greg is a minority because he is a rich person, they are only 1% of the population but people still protest against them, truly the most oppressed of minorities

>>90244000
>>90244195
>>90244289

Thanks, anons

>>90244292
>Except every single character isn't.
>the most focused upon character relationship drama, Pearl's, is entirely about homosexuality
>Garnet, Pearl and Amethyst are all having overt casual lesbian gemsex
>"perfect" relationship is two lesbians
>Steven's girlfriend is a minority who can outfight him
>now we get an arc about Pearl chasing pussy

>>90242139
>>90242153
Ok, this meme has to die. Yes the fan base is shit and an artist got hare added undeservingly, but that same artist came out and said their attempt was because of real life shit going on and had nothing to do with the spergs. They even said to not let their experience detract from the show

>>90242210
>you're the reason we haven't had a black president until 2008!
>probably wasn't even old enough to vote for Obama in 2008

Jesus the cognitive dissonance is real

>>90244352
>Steven's girlfriend is a minority who can outfight him

Steven has super strength and at least on par with Amethyst. Connie may be better trained but she can't outfight him.

>>90244416
Steven has been living and training with actual warriors for a few years.

How the fuck is Connie better at it at all?

It's such an obvious "DEFY THE GENDER NORMS" that I cringe whenever reminded of it.

Don't even get me started on the fact that the writers really need to hire another male to write, since they clearly don't understand teenage boys or masculinity.

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>>90243962
she left cause she talked smack about the asian and zuke.

>>90242577
But that's wrong Mr. Buzzword.

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>>90241590
>look mom i posted it again!

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>>90244441
>Don't even get me started on the fact that the writers really need to hire another male to write, since they clearly don't understand teenage boys or masculinity.

No anon you're wrong, all teenage boys are pacifist and always put need of others in front of their own. also they fat af

>>90244463
Don't forget that they're all totally honest about their emotions and cry constantly.

And they're never, ever aggressive!

>>90241461
(You)

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>>90244476
You can always persuade them with the power of love from lesbian rocks!

>>90244441
Steven's actually only been training since the beginning of the show, they explicitly wouldn't let him take direct part in the missions and excluded him from some he didn't have a handle on his powers. It's also been shown that Connie is insanely more dedicated to training and learning swordfighting than Steven ever was. Steven has little formal training but makes up for it with increasing amounts of practical experience, Connie has extensive formal training balanced by little practical experience.

>>90244441
>masculinity
yeah sure, we totally need that meaningless concept in this show, give me an actual definition of masculinity and then maybe we can talk about including it but I doubt you could find 10 people who actually agree on what is really meant by that word

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>>90242703
Eyyy, how it going fellow /pol/ster?
>never cared about Steven Universe but the constant shit talking got me to check it out
>mfw the "SJW propaganda" isn't really all that bad and this cartoon is probably one of the better ones I've seen since Avatar.

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Consider the following - Cartoons as a whole suck because of their non-serial elements. The "11 minute" and "bomb" format means that the pacing of a show that attempts to tell a serious story will be at odds with consistent and coherent plot structure.

That's not to absolve Rebecca Sugar and her merry band of faggots - while they might suggest and hint at darker themes they're too big of pussies to do anything with it. Steven's confrontation with Woolie might have had more meaning if Poofing WASN'T so easy to do, but god forbid you lend even a bit of credit to the idea of "sometimes you have to kill people."

>>90244513
Okay, so how come she can easily handle a sword nearly as large as she is despite being a tiny, thin girl?

Steven has enhanced strength, Rose was a giant. How does Connie do it?

>>90244509
And they're never ever grumpy or moody! Or rude!

Seriously, fuck this show. It's sad when Finn "is proud of repressing memories" Mertens is a better example of a teenage boy.

>>90244289
My post didn't imply that I didn't like the characters. I was just trying to tell the other guy what he might want to watch depending on what he was looking for.

>>90244536
I would assume the sword is lighter than it looks

we don't actually know what Bismuth made it out of but I assume its not exactly traditional materials from our perspective

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>>90244513
>Connie has extensive formal training balanced by little practical experience.
Your point being? Steven would beat the fuck outta connie in a 1 v 1 situation. Not only with his super strength, bubbles, floating and whatever other telekinetic hehas up hi ass, nut could win with brute strength,

Connie's a dyke

>>90244558
I think anyone with even an ounce of cunning could murder Steven, along with the rest of the cast. Just cry and start strumming a ukelele, then when the fat fuck joins in you shoot him in the dick.

>>90244535
If only Steven had known, he could have permanently saved all those short haired girls from the Woolie hole.

>>90244554
It could be light as a feather and it'd still be fucking impractical. It's a sword designed for chopping, not thrusting, so it needs to weight for momentum.

If it was a rapier then maybe, but fuck no.

>>90244536
>Okay, so how come she can easily handle a sword nearly as large as she is despite being a tiny, thin girl?

Either:

1. It's super light because it's an alien weapon.
2. Anime logic.

>>90244580
I mean it was designed to cut through light, I'm not sure how much momentum is needed

>>90244577
Remove autism out of the equation, and he'd be unstoppable!

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>>90244536
My guess is the sword is made from hardened light or other space bullshit.
Also I think she already has an experience in handling swords.

>>90244587
But even if it's super light it's still nearly the size of her whole body. Do you have any idea how awkward that'd be to use?

Let's assume there was a tree log that was light as a feather. Do you think you'll make good use of it as a weapon?

>>90241461
Even if SU is pretty shit and overrated, it at least actually tries to tell an interesting story with overarching plots and have interesting characters that develop alongside it, which is more of what we need and is the exact opposite of everything that's wrong with the western cartoon industry. If networks were more tolerant of shows that don't just exist to sell toys and appeal to the lowest common denominator of retarded fat fuck children who watch TV, SU, SvtFOE, and AT wouldn't be all we're stuck with and we would probably have higher quality cartoons to watch. Essentially, SU wouldn't be overrated if there was just more non-TTG tier shows to compare it to.

>>90244529
>>90242703
Do any of you have that screencap of /pol/ analysis on SU? That one which fleshed out how a white male is a superior parent compared to 3 space dykes?

>>90244629
Not exactly but then I'll direct you to the second suggestion I made:

>anime logic

If the show already borrows pretty much everything else from anime why is it so absurd that people have impractical weapons?

>>90244688
I think it's an accidental point.

The writers still clearly think Greg is a mess. Hell, I'm reasonably sure they want us to think that Rose made a mistake by rejecting Pearl.

>>90244691
If you're gonna borrow shit from anime try borrowing decent fight scenes instead of the lame shit you have to put up with.

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>>90244688
Here's part of it. It's an entertaining read but, the problem with it is that it's using a straw man of feminism to make points.

>>90243500
SU fan getting arrested after being doxxed for bullying that one SU fan artist.

>>90244721
>try borrowing decent fight scenes

It's an american cartoon. With the exception of Avatar/Korra there's basically zero chance of good fight scenes.


>lame shit you have to put up with.

I think you mean awesome shit that you're lucky to see.

>>90244789
>It's an american cartoon.
What is Samurai Jack?

>I think you mean awesome shit that you're lucky to see.
I don't watch american television for stupid anime tropes.

>>90244802
>Samurai Jack
>uses the most exceptional cartoon ever as an example

anon if that is where you are gonna put your bar then you will literally never be happy

its like asking every painter to be Van Gogh or every band to be the Beatles

>>90244843
And you used Korra and Airbender.

I can use things like Teen Titans if you'd like, which had decent fight scenes. Or Batman/Superman TAS.

>>90244853
Actually I said Korra and Airbender not >>90244843

Jack is a great show but the action isn't that impressive to me these days. It stands more on its atmosphere than it does on its action.

>I don't watch american television for stupid anime tropes.

Then why are you watching what is essentially a magical girl show?

>>90244873
It's a pretty shitty magical girl show, in that case.

And I watched it because nobody shuts the fuck up about it.

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>>90244688
here's the full completed version

No, the New Powerpuff Girls represents everything wrong with cartoons.

>>90244887
>>90244873
how is SU anywhere close to a magical girl show?

like sure there is magic and girls but by that logic Harry Potter was a magical girl book series

the show isn't forumalic monster of the week and doesn't use stock footage transformations constantly, both which are massive hallmarks of a magical girl show, or a sentai

>>90244887
>It's a pretty shitty magical girl show, in that case.

Yeah no.

>And I watched it because nobody shuts the fuck up about it.

Okay well I still think complaining about a giant sword being impractical is a meaningless nitpick.

>>90244922
Complaining about Connie being an amazing warrior despite being a human who only recently started training isn't a nitpick, though.

Neither is Steven being a massive pussy who refuses to learn that tears and well meaning words can't solve everything.

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>>90244889
>>90244724
Thanks fellos /pol/aks
Have worst/best gem in return. Too bad WWII didn't happen in SU

>>90244917
It used to be monster of the week though

>>90241461
No, just about 73%.

>>90241935
Man even the girl is saying this happened because of personal reasons and not the SU fandom. You know the bullies knew her in-person right.

If the SU fandom is so bad how come you can't name anything that happened after that? This is years old.

>>90244956
a little bit but not in the typical way you would see the formula used and honestly that pattern didn't even hold that strong in season 1A, episodes like Steven and the Stevens, Catfingers, Cheeseburger Backpack just off the top of my head don't fit the idea of monster of the week

and the use of monster of the week just decreases more and more as the show goes on, which is kinda sad because I miss just going out on missions

>>90244949
>Complaining about Connie being an amazing warrior despite being a human who only recently started training isn't a nitpick, though.

She's been training a whole lot though. Steven doesn't really practice as much as her.

>Neither is Steven being a massive pussy who refuses to learn that tears and well meaning words can't solve everything.

It makes sense that he still thinks that way. He's never been in a situation that's really made him think otherwise. It takes life experience to stop being an idealist.

>>90244917
>how is SU anywhere close to a magical girl show?

Season 1 is largely monster of the week/gem artifact of the week. There actually are some transformation type shots. Stock footage is not required. Shorter mahou shoujo series aren't packed full of reused footage.

The way he learns about and uses his powers is similar to things like the Sailor Moon manga or even newer stuff like Liner Prisma.

>>90244954
thanks anon, gave me a chuckle

>>90244889
This is a pretty gud, or at least interesting (over)analysis of the show

But man, what is with /pol/'s furious, turgid hate boner for SJW's? From reading this you'd think it's all they ever talk about

>>90241461
Is it me, or have we been having this thread daily? I feel like it's being made by the same guy.

>>90245388
>But man, what is with /pol/'s furious, turgid hate boner for SJW's?

They're secretly in love with each other.

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>>90244352
>Pearl's arc is entirely about homosexuality.
Not really. At least, not in the way homosexuality is usually played out as character drama. The drama doesn't stem that her love was "forbidden", unlike Garnet, but that it was never as big a deal to Rose as Pearl assumed it was. Pearl's arc is about being left behind by the person she based her entire life around; homosexuality is not central to it in any way.

>Perfect relationship is two lesbians
Except the relationship that arguably gets the most focus and development is about a human male and an alien. Hell, one of the episodes goes as far as to saying their relationship is better than the one the Crystal Gems share with each other.

>Now we get an arc about Pearl chasing pussy
It's only an episode, but I can't argue with that. Last One Out of Beach City is a stain on the character, and completely ruins what she was being built up towards.

Still, the only character that can be seen as pandering to the gay community is Garnet, but she hardly gets any focus anyways, which doesn't make sense in your position that "everything about this show is furthering the LGBWTFBBQ agenda".

>>90241507
Remove all three and add Adventure Time. It's what immediately comes to mind in regard to bottom of the barrel artistic quality that any 8 year old could replicate without any practice.

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>>90244954
Kek

>>90242703
>tfw used to think it was cool and cute that steven and connie could fuse until I heard someone say that stevonnie promotes transgenderism and ever since then I can't stop thinking about it when she appears.

Also too many fat characters but other than that, this show is bretty good

>>90245388
Well in /pol/ you have a surprising number of people who are either 1) mad at their ex-girlfriends, or 2) mad at their moms.

>>90245468
>and completely ruins what she was being built up towards.

Not really. They were explicit that her interest in the woman was due to her resemblance to Rose and while that is true the difference is that Pearl went and pursued her on her own merits. It's a far cry from the submissiveness and expectancy that accompanied her attraction to Rose.

>>90244917
>Not realising that SU is basically a reverse magic girl/harem anime
brah, its pretty obvious

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>>90245615
I guess you could see it that way, but it still feels like such a step back from the "I guess I can start letting go of my past by mending ties with my rival for her affection" in Mr Greg to "If she's pink down under watch me tear that puss asunder" in LOooBC.

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>>90244949
Connie has been training for many months at this point, and basically the only time she properly fights or does anything is when she's fused with steven. And steven learning to not be a pussy with a black and white moral compass is his whole story arc and for the last season or two he hasn't been like that at all.

Has there ever been a show that's caused this much anger on /co/?

>>90246338
Probably ponies but that was more like the whole of 4chan and most of the internet rather than just /co/

>>90246316
Steven doesn't have a black and white molar compass. That's part of the problem: he has a white and white moral compass.

It's not like we'll see him maturing, either, given how he ages.

>>90246456
Have you even watched past the first season?

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>>90241461
No, its a good example of what happens when you leave your storyboarders uncheked, it can be a good episode or it can be an abysmally bad one, same as Adventure Time.

SU isn't as good of a show as Courage. SU should be cancelled for more Courage.

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I think it's the poster child for the "new sincerity" movement that started with adventure time, but ultimately a good example of why it's as shallow as the edge movement if the 90s.

Basically, the main issue that instead of telling emotional stories that leave a lot of room for interpretation and very little is said as much as shown, steven universe is a show that revels in the IDEA of being emotional. Situations are often climaxed at some big speech or rant about emotions and you understand that that's what the characters feel, but it doesn't convince you to feel anything. It wants to have those emotional moments people remember, but doesn't understand how to articulate it in a way that's actuslly impactful. And it's not even about the amount of times they do it, everyone points out characters cry all the time, but that's a sympton, not the cause.


Take cowboy bebop for instance. The majority if the episodes are melancholic and end in tragedy, there's levity to balance it out, but that shiw hinges on emotional sadness. The thing is, it was an adult articulation and presentation of emotion that insinuates and leaves things unsaid thst just make the sad scenes more impactful. New sincerity shows l, even adult ones like bojack horseman, just have this terribly childish habit of over explaining why something is sad that if you are an actual adult that has gone through their own lives, sure you might relate, but it doesn't work as an emotional storytelling tool as much as something that presents itself as having the persona of emotion, and I think it's because a lot of artists think emotional storytelling will elevate their status above functional commercialism.

In the end it's just infantilized attempts at being adults like how the 90s edge movement took things being shocking to serve a point meant shocking=adult.

Despite being toted as an example of the animation industry going forward, it's actually an example of how things are exactly the same creatively.

>>90241935
>I'm no longer a Republican because I once heard about a Republican that shot someone

>>90246555
>Trips of truth

Your comment is so perfect it makes me feel inadequate

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>>90246675
To be fair it's something I've been writing and editing over the last week to make a video about new sincerity abouts a whole.

I watched speak like a child for the first time and that shit killed me, then I remembered that steven universe episode where steven sees rose in a video and went to watch it, and it spoke to me since I didn't have a mom growing up, but didn't hit as hard for some reason. Then I watched the newer episode of steven ranting at his mom in their room and I figured out its because of how much they talked and how little was left to interpretation.

Part of art is the articulation of the base and powerful emotional to the understandable narrative and when you go too far in articulating things they lose the emotional appeal. It's why something vague but simple like "see you space cowboy" or "bang" can hit like a truck and stick with you for ages, but a big soliloquy about the meaning of life can go in one ear and leave the other.

Samurai jack is a good example of adult storytelling done right. At no point does jack go on a big speech about his home. Everything in the environment, the pacing, etc, it treats the viewer like an adult that can make the connections by themselves and thus gives the work more room to stir the emotional base through buildup.

https://youtu.be/VOPY-nnfmk8

I don't think SU represents what's wrong with cartoons today, although SU is kinda in a rut especially after the disaster that was Rocknaldo. The problem with cartoons right now is that you have a mixture of corporate greed and arrogance. Teen Titans GO is a very gppd example of this. They have done episodes where they pretend that their version of teen titans is better then the old version which the old version is objectively better 10 times over. The show was made because reboots are popular and that's what they think is going to make them money. They also undermine their audience which is a huge mistake in all entertainment and it shows that the creators are arrogent assholes who think they know how to make a good cartoon. SU is very confused about what it wants to be, it been like that from the start; however it has definitely come a long way as we see existential questioning in Storm in the Room. I think SU will figure out its purpose and what it wants to be in the future.

>>90246800
I believe writers choose that way beacuse their audience can't appreciate subtlety and they feel inclined to have a sonic sez speech.

>>90246929
It's the difference between guiding your audience's emotions and telling them how to feel.

I'd go as far as to say that Steven Universe represents everything that is wrong with our society.

>>90246843
>I think SU will figure out its purpose and what it wants to be in the future.
>in the future.

Theres only one more season and whatever is left of this one (which is not much) on 11 minute episodes, they might not make it in time.

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>>90246555
>New sincerity and discussing emotions rather than using other methods to show them.
True, but it is still a good step forward in the direction of having commercial cartoons become a medium that is more comfortable with tackling more profound topics and showing a wider range of emotions. The execution may still be stilted and clumsy, but it is progress nonetheless.

>Take Cowboy Bebop, for instance...
Oh, fuck off with this fetishization of Cowboy Bebop already. It was a good show with great soundtrack and loveable characters, and has the luck of being one of the most accessible anime series to a Western audience, but all this acting as if it's some sort of pinnacle storytelling is laughable.

With the exception of a few episodes like pic related, it's mostly just rehashing well-trodden ground and storylines. Treating it as anything more than a fluid, well-executed cartoon is giving it far too much credit.

>>90247012
>True, but it is still a good step forward in the direction of having commercial cartoons become a medium that is more comfortable with tackling more profound topics and showing a wider range of emotions. The execution may still be stilted and clumsy, but it is progress nonetheless.
Except it isn't. Cartoons like Avatar: TLA and Samurai Jack both dealt with those more mature topics and emotions in a much better way, Jack especially.

>>90246555
>In the end it's just infantilized attempts at being adults like how the 90s edge movement took things being shocking to serve a point meant shocking=adult.

Pretty much. It's writing from people who unironically use the term "adulting" when referring to menial tasks.

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>>90246555
And now, a big cheer from my heart...
Let's go me!
Do your best!
Do your best!

Don't lose me!

>>90246555
Show don't tell. SU struggles a lot to follow this; however its probably because they think that their younger audience wont understand (which s underestimating your audience, a huge but easy-to-make mistake and most of the time isn't out of spite). The master of the show don't tell philosophy is Samurai Jack, there barely any dialogue thus is forces itself to put the effort into showing instead of telling. Star vs. the forces of evil also properly did this with Star's romantic interests for Marco and her jealousy towards Jackie as instead we see her express these things via passive aggressiveness towards Jackie and simple clues to her interest in Marco. Also to be more clear you can still show with dialogue, you just can't have a character directly say what their dealing with however they can make indirect clues to this via dialogue.

>>90247039
And Courage
And Captain Planet
And any Netflix Original cartoons

>>90247099
>tfw that Captain Planet episode about the kid with AIDS.

>>90246843
>They have done episodes where they pretend that their version of teen titans is better then the old version
>They also undermine their audience
>the creators are arrogent assholes who think they know how to make a good cartoon.

You're taking the show way too seriously. It's just a joke, brah. You don't have to think that the show is funny, but you should be able to see that the jokes and jabs they make at the audience and previous incarnation are not meant to be taken seriously. It's all in good fun.

>I think SU will figure out its purpose and what it wants to be in the future.

Steven Universe has been around for over three years and has had well over 100 episodes. Whether you like it or not, it already hit its stride and it's not getting any better.

>>90247039
You see SU as a series at the helm of a specific, individual movement. I see it as just one of the many attempts in Western Cartoons to tackle more complex emotions and plotlines, some more clumsily than others. Just because it doesn't do it as well as other series before it doesn't mean that, in the bigger picture, there isn't an overall movement towards tackling these bigger issues.

>>90247039
>Except it isn't. Cartoons like Avatar: TLA and Samurai Jack both dealt with those more mature topics and emotions in a much better way, Jack especially.

I don't really remember AtLA or Jack dealing with sex.

>>90247010
Still have hopes though. Not likely but I'm still hoping they'll figure their shit out.

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>>90247177
You realize that what you described is an art movement, right?

>>90241461
pretty much yeah

>>90247195
No but Courage did.

>>90247214
Yes, but my point is that SU is part of a bigger one than the one Bebopfag is describing, and that the shows he provides as counter-examples are also part of said recent movement.

>>90241461
No, it's actually a very good cartoon.

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>>90247195
You mean sex or sexuality? Becouse if you say sex=fusion it might make an argument against the show more than for it.

>>90247256
You mean that one episode with the Bunny? Sure they touched on it but it was hardly a recurring theme in the show.

>>90247195
Jack taught us the valuable lesson that any woman who wants to fuck you is evil.

>>90247332
It only needed 1 episode

>>90247317
Well I mean sexuality and intimacy I guess.

>>90242210
She's right about the attention whoring thing, why would you attempt suicide over some autists on the internet then go back to posting on the same site as those autists?

>>90247363
Jack dealt with themes of letting go, trauma and more. TLA had an entire subplot about whether it's okay to take a life.

Both are far more mature than "WHAT HOLE"

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>>90247177
Let me just express something here: just because a movement of artists tries to push for the perceived storytelling advancement of a medium, does not actually mean any real advancement. Just like the gritty era of the 90s did not expressly mean cartoons from that point on were about shock value.

When I say "new sincerity" I mean the movement of artists who express emotional outburst of a sad, sincere nature to be the reveal, the thing that's subversive and shocking, as a direct response to cynicism.

The problem is that doing so in an artificial and infantile way does not make room for more nuanced work, it just opens doors for more similar copycat work, which is why everyone and their mother tries to shove in some kind of big tragic emotional secret into their secretory nowadays, far removed from animation.

It expressly is not a creative art movement that tries new experimentation in storytelling, and it is not a renovation art movement such as one that attempts to emulate the more interesting or more functional parts of the past cultures. Rather, it's a reactionary one to cynicism and one that incestuous regurgitate the same beats of cynicism with a fat cost of "sad" paint on it to present the image if sincerity, rather than actual sincerity.

This isn't to say the artists cannot be talented and the idea and shows cannot be enjoyable, but talking purely from an analytical perspective, the new sincerity movie is a repetition of a trend and it advances nothing except it's own image.

Please reconsider what you believe to be experimental media, because it absolutely exists today, but not in the new sincerity movement.

>>90247402
I'm not trying to play a game of "which themes are more mature" I'm just saying it covered some mature themes that the shows you listed didn't.

>>90247361
One episode is hardly enough to flesh the idea out.

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I blame CalArts more than anything.

>>90247405
>tfw FoTNS was a story about the power of sorrow and love masquerading as an ultra violent mad max knock off
FoTNS is my go-to whenever I say that you can do a story about masculinity and emotion without sacrificing either.

>>90247446
But the "mature themes" you specified are ultimately shallow. That's my problem with SU's "maturity", it's as shallow as any other show.

>>90247490
But can you give any actual example of this shallowness?

>>90247490
>But the "mature themes" you specified are ultimately shallow. That's my problem with SU's "maturity", it's as shallow as any other show.

It goes more into sex/intimacy/relationships than just pointing to it. I'm not sure why you think it's shallow.

>>90247560
>>90247557

inb4 "no that doesn't count", "no that doesn't count either", "I guess you couldn't think of anything after all"

>>90247557
>>90247560

Okay, what does SU actually say about relationships and sexuality?

What I've gleamed: rejection sucks, even perfect relationships have problems

I have no idea as to what it says about sexuality.

>>90247560
The fact that garnet is shown as a positive example of lesbianism even though it's essentially a very creepy codependent relationship, and thE myriad of honestly gradeshool levels of understanding towards relationships, as well as seeing behind the scenes stuff with stuff me of the staff, make it seem like the core tennets of the show are superfluously presented by a bunch of people with frankly very poor grasps on romance or relationships that don't seem to understand it past a very Marxist bias over it, and it translates to a lot of things the show presents as self evident, but are very poorly thought out with proper scrutiny.

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>>90247405
You misunderstand me. I agree with the fact that raw, on the nose bursts of emotion are a sign of poor storytelling. I disagree with your view that shows that have these moments form a coherent-enough movement to pose a threat to storytelling in Western cartoons.

You seem to imply these shows actually advocate this narrative device, when in reality they are but individual, clumsy attempts at tackling bigger plots and emotions. These attempts as a whole have been going on since the turn of the millenium in Western cartoons, with scattered instances even before that. SU is not a pioneer of these attempts in any way, but it is definetely a product of it.

>>90247619
Ametist shapeshift into a hairy dude sometimes to wresle, and that's gay as fuck i guess

I guess also jasper's and lapis relasionship

steven dressed like girl once and acts like a huge fag all the time

pearl is to this day horny over rose and is salty as fuck to greg, just a bit less now

uh... that's it i think

The problem with all that its that its all mentioned but dont really do much with it, its just treated as a bunch of "it happens" moments without much thought or grace

except maybe pearl's salt

>>90247468
I love how these things always just say "the creator of Cowboy Bebop" because they don't even care enough to actually look up the artist's fucking name despite being eternally asshurt over graffiti eventually covering up other graffiti on a graffiti wall when Kawamoto himself almost certainly doesn't give a shit.

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>>90247708
I think we're at a misunderstanding of what an art movement is.

An art movement, as I've come to understand, extends beyond people explicitly saying they are part of that movement. Like it isn't explicitly "yes I am a dadaist, I do dadaist things, here's my dadadaddy" because the relevancy of the work of a small group of interconnected people is too limited to be called a movement. Rather, it's the conscious and unconscious efforts of other commercial artists attempting to emulate those groups or even those emulating the emulators.

For instance, we can all disagree about the origin of the calarts artstyle, but we can recognize that yes, cartoons now have a different look than they did ten years ago and it's for the most part cohesive. Does everyone explicitly call themselves part of the calarts new sincerity movement? No. Do a lot of people do everything in that movement sans calling themselves that? Absolutely. It extends to comic and movie artists making their work darker and grittier at the end of the millenium, to commercial art booming during the blockbuster era after jaws with a lot of people trying to emulate those same cinematic techniques to get the same audience, and it goes on and on, otherwise there would be no way to recognize that yes, medieval art looked like medieval art because everyone used this flat baroque style that didn't really use perspective. No one at the time intentionally tried to be "medieval" ir even recognized it as such, but rather, these things propagate into a larger, cohesive group think that at some point becomes quantifiable enough to be an art movement.

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>>90247619
Yeah, i disagree about that anon mentioning sexuality

There is occasional sexuality during the dances, but that's because dancing is inherently passionate and sexualized, if that's a problem blame humans not gems

But what it says about relationships? Well, that they're complicated. Just look at Lars and Sadie, how they like each other but the former gets thrown back by the social stigma dating a bulky midget girl would bring while she's apprehensive enough to not let go (yet at least). Then there's the over-apprehension of Connie's family, the "I'm too cool to love daddy" ep with Dewey's kid, Rose and Greg discovering whole new worlds through each other, there's Jasper and her misunderstanding of what it means to have friends and allies to the point of obsession, Steven deciding not to disappoint his loved ones even if it means lying...

Nothing world-breaking here, i didn't follow the convo so i don't know if any idiot implied SU deserves a Nobel, but hey, this stuff is there, and it's rarely written clunky

>>90247651
>>90247742
I think you have a twisted vision of the show if you really think this is all about sex and munching carpets. As much as we could want to draw human teachings out of these situations we're still talking about aliens with their own set of rules. Garnet isn't a damn walking orgy

>>90247619
>rejection sucks

I'm not really sure this has been a major focus.

>even perfect relationships have problems

This one also isn't really a major focus. Actually if we're talking about issues with the show I'll point to Garnet mattering more for what she is rather than who she is (since she's kind of too perfect).

Anyway I'll just point to something that I thought the show handled well: different ways intimate relationships can be damaging. Off the top of my head I can think of some easy examples. The biggest is Pearl and Rose. I think this is what you're referring to when you say "rejection sucks" but I don't exactly see it as that. Pearl isn't hurt just because she was rejected, she's hurt because she had little to no self-worth. Her being so obsessed with and dependant on Rose really fucked her up. This is probably most obvious in "Sworn to the Sword" where she was pushing all of her bullshit onto Connie. It also comes out in "Cry for Help" when Pearl uses Garnet to make up for lack of self esteem.

>>90248056 has some nice points and they seem to have less of a time articulating themselves than I do.

But yeah, don't think the show deserves a nobel prize or anything. I just think it touches on some things that are rarely touched upon in western animation and in a pretty good way.

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>>90248002
Again, you misunderstand me. Maybe actually reading my posts would help before you write lengthy, patronising essays on them.

>Do a lot of people do everything in that movement sans calling themselves that? Absolutely.
This is my issue with your viewpoint. I don't think your "New Sincerity" is an actual thing. I think the series that show the traits you criticise aren't doing it to make a statement or as some sort of artistic experiment, but are simply results of clumsy execution in an attempt to write more complex stories.

>>90246555

To put it bluntly: Steven has a problem with show, don't tell. Would you say that?

The show's "cry now" button is showing a character crying and nothing else, instead of having something more subtle. And they've pushed the button so much that it fell off their keyboards.

>>90242465
To be fair, nuPPG got shoved under a rug pretty soon after it started, while SU is still fairly prominent.

Of course, neither have shit on TTG.

>>90244889
Some of it's coincidental development from narrative structure (as that anon acknowledged), but the zoo thing is pretty on-point.

Also a show that's really going hard with some man-hating feminist agenda wouldn't have Greg be as top-tier as he is.

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>>90248271
But the thing that characterizes these shows is an attempt at being emotional in a very specific way, where emotion in a typically sad way is used as a subversive revelation. Adventure time does it, steven universe does it, bojack horseman does it, rick and morty veers into it but has the good sense to hold it back with a lot of cynicism, I mean a good number of shows in the last seven years have followed that formula, but moreso than that other things like tv shiws and comic books, ESPECIALLY amateurish webcomics do it. It's a recognizable trend and I think, though I might be misremembering it, one of the writers for bojack horseman expressly called the show part of a new sincerity movement. Though the term itself I think was used initially for adventure time and it's influence on comics.

Amateur mistakes are one thing, a recognizable pattern of amateur mistakes like the 90s "let's make everything dark and gritty to be taken serious" trend. There are good trends too like how in the 90s animation, especially for mtv, was very experimental and occasionally not technically good, but still interesting.

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>>90248056
>But what it says about relationships?
>Well, that they're complicated.
>mfw

>I think you have a twisted vision of the show if you really think this is all about sex and munching carpets.

I didn't say that, the guy asked "what does SU actually say about relationships and sexuality?" and i came out with a blank becouse the only conclusion to all of the things i mentioned ended up with a "yeah, okay" resolution, not to mention its forgoten at the next episode, pearl wanted to fuse with garnet and thats enough of a problem to not forgive her for a week or so, ruby call fusion "their thing", but then at the meme barn she ask peridot to fuse and keeps flirting with her, in the baseball episode they are so horny over eachother they fuck everything up and cant stop flirting.

So yeah Garnet really is a walking orgy.

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>>90248568
Ruby's easily provoked, her problem was the betrayal of their trust, the fusion is introduced as something important that requires focus and should only be used when needed but Pearl was cheapening all of that for the sake of feeling cooler for a few minutes

Fusion IS NOT sex, get that in your tick skull, the show didn't make two underage "have sex", Steven didn't "have sex" with his adoptive mother/sister and Garnet wasn't fucking flirting with Peridot, she wanted to teach her something new since her Homeworld beliefs were holding her back

>>90248693
>Fusion IS NOT sex, get that in your tick skull
Uh huh, sure. So it's "NOT sex" when one Gem humps another until they fuse?

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>>90248924
Read my old post, sex and dancing go hand in hand. You don't accuse tango dancers or lewd acts in public. What, you'd prefer the gems to do some quirky robo-dance instead?

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>>90248693

It was quite literally sex, in almost every way posible except for the penetration part

They did show 2 underage having sex

they did show incest

They showed rape too

The whole "These are aliens, so its not sex" its an attempt to show sex and not get cancelled while the "adults" get to say "i get it" between their childish giggles, its cheap as fuck and after 10 or maybe 5 years after the show ends the creators will come out and say "yeah, it was all gay sex" for a few attention points and pats on the back.

>>90249039
If it were more classical dances I'd agree.

But between the twerking, grinding and actual humping I'd say it isn't exactly ambiguous.

>>90243093
>cheap voice acting
Nigga what? one of the main characters is voiced by a fucking platinum singer. I'm sure Estelle costs CN a pretty penny.

>>90249118
exactly the same arguments where made against "classical" dancing, even shit like waltzing, when they were knew and fresh

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>>90241935
But we're talking about the show itself. The shitty fanbase is a known fact

>>90249283
These people need to seek professional help.

>>90249278
So you agree that fusion is sex, then?

>>90242577
That brings up the question, when is having a minority as a main character not pandering? For example, you don't see people complaining about shows like Fillmore pandering by having a black MC. I'm a bit confused as to where the line is drawn.

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>>90249118
The dances reflect the personalities. Pearl does ballet, Garnet has them moves will Amethyst is full sexual. Steven and Connie didn't hump each other because they were just kids having fun together

>>90249053
Sure, just keep repeating yourself that, just throw all the writing away to argue it was just sex

Jasper is obsessively looking for a partner because she mistakes friendship and alliance for coercion? No, fuck it, it was just rape

Here, get a load of this sex scene, I'm sure the hand contact triggers your prudish sensibilities

>>90249202
>a fucking platinum singer
>cant emote for shit
>somehow got the worst songs

here comes a thought wasnt so bad but estelle isnt the one to sing it, stronger than you is shit and was used in the worst way

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>>90248521
I think you're reading too much into a mere product of poor writing. "Show, don't tell" is something so many artists and authors have struggled with, long before the likes of Adventure Time. You talk about crappy webcomics, so I ask you: which is more likely in the case of Goblins? Is it:

a)Part of a big movement that, for God knows what reason, believes emotion can only be expressed with the subtlety of a boulder.
b)The author isn't very good at being subtle.

I'm not sure I'm really seeing this specific pattern you speak of. What I do see is that there is a push nowadays for more complex storylines in Western Cartoons, which often includes drama of some sort. Is that what you're against? Forced, poorly-executed drama? Because that's hardly a new thing, and it doesn't really qualify as a movement, such as the edgy 90s-phase, either.

And you might argue that this whole push for forced drama is what you mean by "New Sincerity" but, personally, I think it's just a byproduct of shows trying to tackle drama in the first place. It's not like they're intentionally going out of their way to make it bad.

>>90249386
>The dances reflect the personalities.
And this matters how? There are other types of dancing than "ballet, breakdancing and fucking".

>Steven and Connie didn't hump each other because they were just kids having fun together
So you admit that the gems are basically fucking? Because there was a lot of "first time" symbolism with Stevonnie.

So are sex and relationships the only themes SU touches on well?

>>90249461
>And this matters how?

Character consistency? Visual characterization? You know, since in this very thread we have people crying about "show don't tell"

>So you admit that the gems are basically fucking?
I admit this conversation is going nowhere since you're so dead set on your tracks and apparently can't even read. I just fucking used the example of Jasper

>>90249492
There's general deal with morality, growing up, what's fair in a conflict, "don't feed the trolls", what sets apart humanity from a fictional, monotonous alien race (reminds me of NGE)...

>>90249860
You used the example of Jasper which was widely seen as a rape metaphor.

I said you'd have an argument if the dancing weren't so sexual and all you could say was "WELL ALL DANCING IS SEXUAL", so you didn't fucking do a good job of disproving my point.

>>90249860
Didn't Avatar have those same themes?
And Gravity Falls
And Digimon
And Naruto
And Hey Arnold

>>90249902
Well yeah, just because it touches on it well doesn't mean it is exceptional at all.

>>90249891
>widely seen

By who, memesters and tumblrinas looking for yet another reason to claim the show as a feminist victory?
Fusion is about people and how they relate, follow Steven's journey and see how all new fusions are about him bonding

I mean, are you unironically gonna argue that Jasper tried to "fuck" some wild animals? Do you not see to what ridiculous points the sex metaphor would take you?

>>90249902
Yes, they did. Your point?

>>90249986
What makes SU so special then? Everyone calls it amazing to be a kids show that touches on mature topics when it is so far away from being that.

>>90249902
So what if they did? Every cartoon repeats some themes from others, including all the ones you listed.

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>>90249386
>just throw all the writing away to argue it was just sex

Theres only so many innuendos one can take before i call bulshit, the scene where pearl fuses with rose in from of greg and her smugass face when she tell him he cant do it, if something looks, smells and sounds like sex, its sex, like pic related from southpark, i don't know how the fuck works but its cristal clear sex

But why am i duscussing with you? Your only argument here is that "its not called sex, it has every look of sex, but its not called that so its okay!"

>>90249986
>this totally isn't sex guise
https://youtu.be/j38aX4JxINQ?t=745

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>>90249986
>being this wounded by the possibility that the show is watched by people whose politics disagree with

Oh noes, anything but that.

>>90250084
>that fusion pose
>she literally throws herself onto her vagina

>>90249986
>By who, memesters and tumblrinas

>people who agree with my point of view:
>responsible members of society

>people who disagree with my point of view:
>smelly basement dwellers

you should consider a career in politics

>>90250242
If you watch the whole video there's clips of Garnet throwing Pearl up against a wall and starting to grind on her earlier.

Guys, stop.

Fusion is not literally sex, but it's quite close to it and it's usually used as a metaphor for it quite obviously.

>>90246843
>I think SU will figure out its purpose and what it wants to be in the future.
It peaked at Jailbreak.

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>>90250279
>>people who agree with my point of view:
>>responsible members of society

>/sug/
>responsible members of society

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>>90250279
I can't be triggered if i don't give a shit. The fact that some people twist the show to fit their own agendas is undeniable tho. Just look at the whole "fat acceptance" debacle, the show makes jokes out of Amethyst. Tumblr took the very first appearance of a pregnant Rose and they thought she was just supposed to be "beautiful and obese"

I don't pay attention to these people, but they're a thing. Just like the autista on here looking for every sort of reason to imply that the show is feminazi propaganda

>>90250084
>>90250282
Yes, the dances are sexual. Your point being?

>>90250050
And you, you keep offering me situations that have a huge narrative importance. Yes, Pearl wanted Greg to be jealous, she suggested Rose to fuse because fusion equals intimacy and connection between the two, she wanted to prove how he'll never be connected to Rose as she was. But it's still. Not. Sex

Again, you're just ignoring any sort of context and writing for the sake of going "ahah, they're fucking on screen because the creators are degenerates"

>>90244954
>The Swastika is positioned as a proper Manji
>Hitler and the Nazi party instead were devout practitioners of Buddhism
>Those 'medals' on the left lapel are actually a modern, abstract art piece Hitler did.

>>90250424
>"ahah, they're fucking on screen because the creators are degenerates"

The creators are degenerates, they draw porn of underage characters all the time, and they and their fans still have the gall to assume a moral high ground to use as a shield against criticism.

>>90250424
>I can't be triggered if i don't give a shit.
Hahaaaa, sure, buddy.
>. The fact that some people twist the show to fit their own agendas is undeniable tho. Just look at the whole "fat acceptance" debacle, the show makes jokes out of Amethyst.
You mean stuff pushed by the creators? And even when not pregnant Rose was clearly heavier.

>Yes, the dances are sexual. Your point being?
The point being you're fucking wrong about what you said earlier.

>Yes, Pearl wanted Greg to be jealous, she suggested Rose to fuse because fusion equals intimacy and connection between the two, she wanted to prove how he'll never be connected to Rose as she was. But it's still. Not. Sex
How thick are you? No, seriously. Do you have brain problems?

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>>90242429
You took the words right out of my mouth, anon. Thanks for being the rare voice of reason.

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>>90250490
When Sugar drew that EEnE pic she was a nobody. Remember that she used to even browse /co/?

>and they and their fans still have the gall to assume a moral high ground to use as a shield against criticism.
What does that even mean, i don't know what you might be referring to

>>90250497
>You mean stuff pushed by the creators? And even when not pregnant Rose was clearly heavier.
What do you mean by "pushed"?
Does the show feature fat characters? Yes
Do we have an episode with Steven teaching Pearl about thin privilege? No
And Rose is fuckhuge in general, she's designed to be an imposing warrior, just like Jasper

>The point being you're fucking wrong about what you said earlier.
...that the dances are sexual because that's how us humans conceive dancing, even on a subconscious level?

>>90250424

>Again, you're just ignoring any sort of context and writing for the sake of going "ahah, they're fucking on screen because the creators are degenerates"

Again, you're just ignoring any sort of context and writing for the sake of going "its not sex dammit! no matter how many hints and nugges it gives its still not sex!"

How many hints does the show have to give you to get it? its so obvious the show runners cant say what it is or else they'll get fired and blacklisted

But if anything, i guess this guy said it best >>90250304 and im willing to make a compromise and say, i can see your point

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>>90241461
>/co/ will never stop bitching about SU

I hate white men so much

>>90250632
Rose is way chunkier than Jasper.

>that the dances are sexual because that's how us humans conceive dancing, even on a subconscious level?
I have linked actual evidence of the gems all but fucking. Pearl even covers Steven's eyes.

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>>90250749
Because the sex metaphor doesn't take you anywhere

>Jasper fucked first Lapis and then a dog to be a better fighter
>Ruby and Sapphire fucked by mistake because they were attacked by a terrible renegade Pearl
>Garnet and Amethyst fucked to wreck shit
>Garnet and Pearl fucked to efficiently dismantle the communication tower
>Steven and Amethyst fucked because Jasper was making fun of them

You can argue that fusion can be sex when it's about romantic relationship, but if that's the case then why haven't Ruby and Sapphire humped each other yet? They always just hug or kiss to fuse

>>90250864
Yeah, for comedy, because the "degenerate" crew was perfectly aware what it looked like

>>90250904
It's supposed to be a mixture. It's treated similarly socially but it's obviously not exactly the same.

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>>90249902
Yeah, it's a cartoon anon.

/co/ like to pretend SU is pushing things that haven't already been pushed. they just do it in a far more weirdly (homo)sexual way than usual

>>90241590

That right.

Tumblerinas and sjwfaggots destroy the entire american cartoon tv show into a meme shows like AT and shitty universe with pretentious storys and muh stronk woman liberal agenda.

Also turn shit marvel comics and murican videogames.

>>90244758
Good. People like that deserve to get a dose of reality shoved down their throats.

>>90242195
I think you meant ppg reboot

>only one person posted about Family Guy so far

I'm disappointed in you, /co/.

>>90251281
I for one forget that it's even still on the air.

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>>90241461
Legit
Compare S1 vs S2 and the others
Its like they say FUCK IT lets pander these tumblr tier watchers and do pic related 100 times forever.
Shit got stale fast if you are not a tumblr whale that think "muh feels" = perfect cartoon.
Its what i could call a cheap hack.

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>>90249283
>tumblr user @overly--emotional stated that that show has helped them with suicide and they had a breakdown over seeing cam's post.
I mean, at least they've got a fitting name. This shit writes itself.

>>90243093
>Hartman shows
dye

>>90241461
no

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>>90241590
I was 8 or 9 and liked Sain Seya' Shun. Then he did that. My point is kids can react to what is being pushed and even like a show in spite of some agenda or disturbingly constant theme.

>>90242215
>Hurf durf I have no argument
>Better insult the other person yeah that'll make me sound intelligent
Thanks for reminding me why I haven't come here in weeks.

>>90241630
Why does this image exist?

>>90243858
You're a good guy. It's clear that most people on this board don't actually watch any cartoons past the more recent ones, so it's easy for them to say something's cruddy without actually being able to explain why. That's why things like Mr. Enter or whatever is so popular. Wowee, this "expert" said it was bad, so I guess it really is bad! Movies, comic books, video games all have these types of people and it's interesting and just as maddening how their opinions can affect public conscientious and industry standards.

People who don't have taste are the reason why good cartoons (among other things) usually end up dying or heavily decreasing in quality with the help of the industry's hand, why things like Sym-Bionic Titan ended up dying early and more recently, why literally anything with shipping prospers. What makes it even more interesting is that it's just recently happening in cartoons, and it seems to me that the precursor is Avatar (and arguably Teen Titans). I can't remember such an influx of the public being interested in cartoons until Adventure Time though. At its height, you'd see people who hadn't watched cartoons since the SpongeBob era getting into it. It's interesting and I wish the majority of people didn't have such average and bland taste.

>>90242210
I love how the first girl was talking about she was dealing with sucidal thoughts and this chick replies telling her why she thinks she's the reason why black people get shot, while also telling her art is bad. The internet really is a weird and wonderful