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What was the best episode of Adventure Time and why was

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What was the best episode of Adventure Time and why was it I Remember You?
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Because Princess Bubblegum wasn't in it.
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Pillow World is best episode
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>Drama Time without Finn and Jake

In all seriousness, I like the episode, but it's far from the best.
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>>90210570
this
fuck season 4
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>>90210305
>alzheimers

the most tragic part of alzhiemers is as it progresses and the fewer new memories the person holds on to, the more likely it is to be a memory of a loved one frustrated with their disease.
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Cringe
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>>90210305

Mama Said because Canyon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a3mkaTMJUY
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Fuck man, that's tough, because there's insane diversity in episode tonality. So I picked a couple of favourites from each season.

>S1: Henchman, Rainy Day Daydream.
>S2: Death in Bloom, The Limit.
>S3: No One Can Hear You, Dad's Dungeon.
>S4: Card Wars, King Worm
>S5A: Puhoy, Simon and Marcy
>S5B: Time Sandwich, The Vault
>S6: Escape From The Citadel, Is That You, Jake the Brick
>S7: Football, Flute Spell, Hall of Egress
>S8: Imaginary Resources, Min and Marty
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>>90210305
PRINCESS COOKIE
nah, but it's one of my tops
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>>90210810

I remember crying watching Princess Cookie for the first time. What an emotional episode.
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I'm actually marathoning the show right now and honestly I can't name a favorite.
I tell you what though, I fuckin love AT.
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Probably Hall of Egress
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>>90210305
has any other cartoon ever went over the topic of senility in a non-humorous fashion?
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>>90210936
Arthur, but that usually a given
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>>90210665
>>90210973
alzheimers scares the crap out of me. Glad we've been making strides in its research.
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>>90210861

COME ALONG WITH ME
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>>90210861
I'm doing that too, anon. I remember watching it in 2010 and just stop for some reason. Now I'm in season 6 and plan it finish it this weekend.
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>>90211010
TO A TOWN BESIDE THE SEA
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Frakes VA in Puhoy is the best
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>>90211091
I always wonder why didn't Finn just go to the Nightosphere (he knows how to summon it after all), hit up on Abadeer, and go back home from there.
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>>90211144
He doesn't remember. That demon god thing ate those memories.
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>>90211158
That was after he died. I mean when he was still young.
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>>90211172
Oh you mean while he as in the pillow world.

Well, because it was comfy as fuck.
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I still like Breezy the best. IMO, it's a beautiful and completely misunderstood episode.

Hall of Egress is a close second though. Maybe a tie.
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>>90211390
>I still like Breezy the best. IMO, it's a beautiful and completely misunderstood episode
Breezy is amazing. I really hope you're not being ironic right now.
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>>90211390
J.Moyns just made the message too obtuse.
LIKE REALLY OBTUSE
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>>90211421
I'm not lol. It frustrates me how people hate it for the wrong reasons.
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>>90211432
The word you're looking for is abstruse or obscure. And how come?
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maaaaaan, I love Prismo
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>>90211432
That's what I love about AT. Even if it's "obtuse" it's still not shoved in your face like CERTAIN OTHER CARTOONS.
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>>90210305
i've only been able to watch the first 2 seasons or so.

the cat monster that had approximate knowledge of many things

the why wolves

the origin story of the ice king and marceline

(also the little elephant lady and the pig is a funny one too)
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>>90211502
>CERTAIN OTHER CARTOONS.
Rocknaldo was garbage, I agree.
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>>90211485
oh yeah you're right.
Anyway to most people the arm came back out of nowhere, and the whole thing with PB showing up during the song.

Also I just watched Breezy again to recap my memories and seeing Finn ask out Doctor Princess gave me Islands flashbacks.
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>>90210305
This is the one episode that I rewatch once in a while.
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>>90211390
"Lumpy's on Lifeguard duty" is straight traumatizing
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>>90211495
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>>90211598
>Anyway to most people the arm came back out of nowhere, and the whole thing with PB showing up during the song.
To me, it was like something straight out of greek mythology. The love Breezy feels for Finn reawakens lost feelings within him. This is visualised by PB appearing before him like a goddess, representing both his sense of purpose as a hero, and the genuine feelings he had/has for her. This revitalisation enables his grass arm to regenerate. The whole thing is basically an allegory for overcoming depression. At least that's my interpretation. I get that it's not everyone's cup of tea though.

I can also understand people being frustrated that Finn got "his arm" back so quickly, but on the bright side it led to the cool Finn Sword/Fern subplot we have going on now.
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>>90211859
Makes sense.
As an aside, at this point in the show I find everything better in retrospect because of how the connect and build up.
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>>90210810
>>90210833
You gotta be kidding me.
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>>90212313
problem?
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>>90212383
Lame episode.
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>>90212398
I'm with the other two anons, Princess Cookie was a great episode.
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>>90212410
Nah. The drama felt too forced. And they dodged any real consequences.
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>>90212398
I agree it was pretty dull.
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>>90212425
>drama too forced
It was a comedy episode built off of a well known dramatic scenario. (at least in my opnion)
Part of the humor was how serious everyone was acting despite the situation not really being serious at all.
Also Princess Cookie's voice acting was perfect throughout the entire episode.
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>>90212425
>The drama felt too forced.
Wasn't that the point? I liked it because it was funny with how dramatised it was, but still managed to be emotionally resonant.
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>>90212425

>>90212425

What is even real consequences in Candy Kingdom? PB was trying to be as accommodate more than ever in her past (not punishing James, the graffiti painter, and others) . The kidnapping was probably a thing to let slide for her.
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>>90212594
that was one of the earlier episodes when PB was less forgiving.
PB originally was going to permanently imprison Cookie.
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Thanks for the Crabapples Giuseppe
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Are you guys ready to see Simon back to normal again?
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>>90214124
you follow kasumisty?
also yes. yes I am
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>>90214152
Yeah, I follow her. She's pretty useful when it comes to information regarding AT

Also, Finn's story is not over yet.
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>>90214190
>no Grand Destiny
He better be the one fighting the Lich head on and not off on the sidelines getting his ass kicked then faggot
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>>90214190
I read the article too.
Honestly really looking forward to how the finish things up.
also this is the first time I heard that the writers were surprised by the cancellation.
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nah
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>>90210305
>Best episode
>Features worst character
You made a mistake
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>>90214190
I'm calling it, he's going to become a doctor like his mum.
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Why? Because of Drama? You pathetic faggots are what ruined Adventure Time.
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>>90214190
>>90214124
>CN advertises from ages 2 to 14
No wonder why the later relationship/story driven seasons of AT got the shaft. Once that adult viewership dried up/moved on all they were left with was little kids who didn't know what the fuck was going on after watching the first 3 seasons

>>90214273
>Doctor Finn
I really do like Finn becoming a helper by being both a hero and going to med school but I don't think med school is really Finn-like
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>>90214309
>Med school
Doctor Princess didn't go to med school
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>>90210305
OH SNAP! Did she just say I remember Screw?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuo-qWpAtbk
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Guys, the writing is done and there are 32 episodes left.

All we can do now is strap in.
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>>90214338
Well, yeah, but she ain't actually a doctor either. I mean she's still doing well for herself now because of experience, but I can't imagine Finn being well off in the beginning
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Oh and btw is the movie still greenlit or smth?
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>>90214374
Gotta start somewhere.

>>90214389
From the sound of the interview, there ain't no movie. No mention anywhere.
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I forgot how ridiculous the Dentist episode was.
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>>90214434
>Finn needs to go to the dentist
>Said dentist is an anthill with an army of ants who fights giant worms
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>>90214473
>and to get there your family throws you down a well without telling you what's going to happen, because if the ants find out that any flies overheard anyone talking about the agreement, they'll stop fixing everyone's teeth.
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>>90210395
It was an episode about masturbation. Finn fucks pillows when no one is around.
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>>90214223
>the Lich
Is that guy even releveant by now?
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>>90210810
Princess Cookie will always be one of my favorites, if only for the reason that it is one of the only episodes that does something really good with Jake's character. For once, he actually takes center stage and has a genuine internal conflict.

I thought that his having kids would be an opportunity for real, lasting development, but fuck me I guess.
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>>90214266
>not liking ice king

fuck off finn
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>>90214434
I know I'm autistic because the fact that Finn got all his teeth smashed apart, but for some reason the ants left in all the tooth gaps he had before with his original teeth, still annoys me to this day. No explanation as to why that happened.

It's pretty weird that for half the show Finn's had fake teeth now.
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>>90210784
Real strong taste here, episode I probably like the least out of your list is Jake the Brick but it's still pretty good.
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>>90210305
It's a shame they did literally nothing interesting with Ice King and Marcy's shared past.
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>>90210305
Am I a filthy hipster if I don't care for this episode all that much because people acted like it was the most emotionally touching piece of storytelling ever for years when it first came out? I feel like I am.

Always thought Simon and Marcy's lighthearted take on it worked better than I Remember You's poorly sung song did.
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>>90217272
I agree, I liked Simon & Marcy a lot more

Has no one mentioned Another Way? That one may be my absolute favorite
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>>90217738
Another Way is really good (very well may be one of the funniest episodes of the show) but I'm not sure it's in the very top of best episodes.

Still hilarious though, that part where Finn tried to skip his body over the river and fails horribly makes me lose my shit even after all this time.
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>>90210305
Dude kill yourself. I remember you was on of the episdoes that fucking ruined AT
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>>90212644
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>>90217224
How many episodes of Simon and Marcy do you want?
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>>90218089
>literally the most popular episode here
Kill yourself. This episode was unanimously loved quit being a contrarianfag
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>>90220850
that's really not refuting his point though, that just means to him /co/ has shit taste
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>>90220850
>How DARE you go against the hivemind! SUMMON THE ROYAL GUARD! Convert this rogue to nutrient paste!
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I'd say Henchman.
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>>90220903
>implying he ever had an argument

>>90220906
>being a contrarian
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>>90223118
>I'm right because people agree with me!
So all plebeians are just naturally correct?
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>>90220903
He didn't have an argument either.
I don't see how that episode ruined anything.
Then again my view is biased because I also loved that episode. I'm a sucker for Sugar's songs.
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How does it feel to know that AT, and possibly SU, were fucked over because the old farts in CN didn't know what to do what to do with the show, regardless of quality?
Also apparently Finn's arm coming back so quickly was influenced by the UK being full of prudes who didn't like the idea of Finn losing his arm.
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There's a lot of good eps but Hall of Egress is the one I will forever recommend

It's the Evangelion of AT
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Charlie > Viola > TV > Jake Jr > Kim
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>>90210305
Everyone can (eventually) relate to a dying parent who's going senile.
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>>90211495
that ass for sitting not for kissing
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>>90210305
That's not Mystery Dungeon
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>>90211144
Doesn't it require some materials? Materials that aren't made of pillows?
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>>90210305
My only complaint about this episode is that Ice King is shown as being fat when he's supposed to be skinny under the robe.
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>>90224227
Drawing of an ugly face, milk, and a chant
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>>90215469
an example to us all
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>>90224270
it had to be bug milk though
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>>90211495
was a pretty cool representation of a 2 dimensional being living in 3 dimensional space
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Why are the Fiona episodes so damn bad? Or even a thing? It's like watching Bravest Warriors.
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>>90224521
Huh i forgotten that series exist

But yeah, what do you expect from an episode based on FANFICTION?
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>>90224521
This
I can't even watch Fiona and Cake episodes because of the cringe.
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>>90224521
The first Fionna and Cake episode is a legitimate 10/10 the whole way through
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>>90224732
I remember being excited for it because people were making noise. Turned out it was a fat lot of nothing and probably just them being easily swept by shock value.
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>>90223907
Feels bad man. Feels bad for the crew for having to put up with that shit.
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>>90224871
Can't agree there man, I really liked it
Characters were different enough to be interesting but still similar enough to their counterparts to not be completely new characters, there was some strong action, nice song, lots of good jokes (there were like two rape jokes, classic) and even if none of that were true the ending is just so beautifully perfect in every way, fucking magical

I have no strong attachment to the genderbend characters but their first episode was just wonderful, i only they hadn't made the next 3 mediocre ones
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>>90216340
Try again
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>>90223907
There's only one response.
Kickstarter.
Fuck Disney, fuck CN, fuck nick.
Don't understand why crews aren't already jumping off these sinking boats and start doing what they WANT to do.
There will always be billions of reasons why channels shit on artists. It won't ever change.
The good part of it is that channels are doomed.
Can't wait.
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>ctrl+f
>only one result for Dad's Dungeon
disgusting.jpg

Forever what I believe to be the perfect AT episode. Finn and Jake chemistry at its best, dungeon spelunking with varied and interesting baddies, natural exploration of character backstory (one of the scant few episodes about Finn and Jake's past we got) and an action packed, emotional climax with a sick beat backing it up.

Also wonderfully bittersweet ending to seal off the deal. Perfect encapsulation of AT for me.
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>>90224287
I can't wait to grow up, get a job, wear a suit, pay taxes and most importantly, live alone so I can buy a fuckton of these and masturbation into the astral plain
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From the top of my head i can say
S1: Memories of Boom Boom Mountain and Rainy Day Daydream
S2: The Real You and The Limit
S3: No One Can Hear You and Another Way
S4: Princess Cookie and Card Wars (tied up with I Remember You)
S5A: Finn the Human/Jake The Dog and Simon and Marcy
S5B: Be More and Lemonhope
S6: Escape from the Citadel, Joshua & Margaret Investigations, Walnuts and Rain.
S7: The Hall of Egress, Flute Spell, I Am a Sword.
S8: Imaginary Resources, Min and Marty
Maybe i'll give them a rewatch and decide better.
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>>90210305
This is the only episode of AT I ever watched. I was on a plane and they had one or two episodes of many shows.

If this is the best they can muster, I'm glad I ignored my friends when they recommended it to me.

3/10 show.
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>>90210570
orgalorg saves
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It's Time Sandwich
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>>90217061
Thanks kind anon. I picked Jake the Brick because it was so damn comfy.
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>>90226094
It's far from the best, but it's still good. It relies pretty heavily on context of prior episodes for emotional weight though, so I'm not surprised you didn't like it.
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>>90226340
This, I'm sure the episode isn't enjoyable when you don't understand the connections between characters. I actually just rewatched it. I don't think it's that great but it definitely isn't bad.
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>>90226062
I'd take The Creeps over No One Can Hear You. My Two Favorite People over Boom Boom. And definitely Is That You? over Joshua & Margaret.
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>>90226340
Also he's trolling
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>>90210395
This. Puhoy was the greatest episode of the series. Followed closely by Dungeon and Rainy Day Daydream.
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>>90226340
Why would a kid's show have such a complex ongoing story, though? Kids aren't gonna be able to keep up with it, because they have homework or their parents will be using the TV. Seems kind of silly.
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>>90226062
Solid list. I love how Hall of Egress and Flute Spell are almost universally regarded as the best of season 7.
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>>90226576
Because cartoons wanna cash in on that sweet, sweet manchildren/Tumblr user doosh and that's the best way to hook em. Kids will still watch anyway for the flashy lights and sily words.
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>>90226576
You underestimate a child's ability to deeply invest themselves in media.
You think kids don't know about the internet?
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>>90210305
mmm I liked the first episode where FP gets together with Finn, and episodes with Marceline's dad. which was like 2.
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>>90226576
ATLA was my favourite show when I was a kid (yes, kid). The fact that it had an ongoing story is what drew me into it in the first place. Besides, most episodes of AT can be enjoyed as stand alone.
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>>90226576
Were you one of those ritalin kids?
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>>90226407
>Is that you
>"Shut it Prismo, heroes risk everything for their friends. Although I admit you're more Jake's friend than mine. Sometimes you can think someone is totally cool, but you never become besties. Now I don't know why that happens, but regardless let's do this."
Good taste
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>>90226722
I can focus fine on important stuff, I just never had the experience as a kid of actually taking the time to watch an entire series because it isn't a priority. I guess I underestimated how much time the average kid wastes though, how sad.
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It gave us this reaction picture, so it must be.
>heartfelt laugh
>feel bad about it
This image is an embodiment of my relationship with this site
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>>90226817
underestimating youth is a hallmark of being an old fart.
also different experiences for different people bro. Universal constant.
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>>90210395
Puhoy #1
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>>90214190
What do you mean Finn's story is not over yet? If you mean that he is not going to settle in the finale for anything, that is to be expected, he is an adventurer and will be till his death.
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>>90224521
they are implicit satire of autistic fanfic, but the spurgs in the fandom didn't get the joke, but got way too much influence on the production.
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>>90214223
They'll have him do both. He'll beat the Lich in a boring asspull way but also probably have an episode that finishes his arc from child to teen to adult, which will hopefully be much more satisfying than the 15th fight against the Lich.
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>>90227347

This so much.
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Best AT season?
http://www.strawpoll.me/12419112
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>>90227347
>icechan; looking for one(1) hero free princess, writes fanfiction with him as a female and thinks he can will it into existence
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>>90227389
>beat the Lich
the Lich is beat anon
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>>90226576
What?
I remember when I was a kid, every boys (guess girls talked about stuff too, but they had cooters.) were talking about whatever the fuck was happening in the last episodes of dragon ball/TMNT/CCS etc.
I can still remember some episodes etc 20 years later.
Or were your parents the 'bed at 8pm and no more than one hour of tv per days'?
I'd guess that you're not in contact with many children too?
Because I do, and I talk about GF, Star vs, ATLA and other shows all the time with my 7-12yo nephews/nieces.
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>>90227917
He probably isn't going to stay locked in Sweet P forever. If he never does return then it was a really poor writing choice to show that he still has influence inside of his fleshy prison, because having Lich turn into Sweet P but have no trace of his evil true self left would have been a pretty good ending for him and they screwed that up.

I'm pretty sure he's coming back. But there is equally as likely a chance that the writers just made some poor decisions, wouldn't be the first time.
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has anybody said time sandwich or dad's dungeon yet? cause if you haven't shame on all of you /co/, those episodes literally represent what adventure time IS on the inside, they're just so fucking good
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>>90210305
Best episodes are those with no additional characters. Just Finn and Jake. Everyone else is fucking shit.
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>>90228009
>ctrl + f
Both twice, now thrice. C'mon anon.
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>>90228212
oh okay coolio
sorry guy, I just really love those episodes, Time Sandwich probably being my fave of the show by itself and DD just in cartoons in general, i honestly think it's that good
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>>90228161
>It's a "Rebecca Sugar compensates for her bisexual love life that's dryer than the fucking sahara by turning yet another pair of female characters of the show into dykes" episode
welp there goes susan
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>>90228518
at least they finally finished her arc after a literal half decade, I can be alright with her suddenly being a carpet muncher.
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>>90228518
That's why I started hating those characters. They were brutally butchered. I skip now every scene with PB or Marceline (it's hard to see them separated lol), it's just plain bad.
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>>90210395
Unironically this
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>>90228870
>skipping literal best girl
The fuck is wrong with you.
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>>90228955
Princess Lesbiangum da best am i right
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>>90228518
I guarantee you that one of these characters will get DYKE'D soon

>bronwyn
>huntress wizard
>summer
runner-up
>lumpy space princess
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>>90228995
Yes.
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>>90229088
Can you imagine the screeching if they made HW a lesbian? I mean Finn might get cucked by Fern but at least that has a reason behind it.
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>>90229088
LSP is the most aggressively heterosexual character in the show, not a chance nigga
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>>90229168
It would be a lot better if Fern stole one of Finn's "girls" than just rehashing lesbian shit.
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>>90228955
The more of a totalitarian despot they made her out to be the more I loved her.
I don't think that's a good sign
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>>90229178
they'll write a way around it
>lsp goes on a "date" with a girl to get attention from some guy she likes and make him jealous
>it doesn't work
>gives up
>breaks the girls feelings
>episodes gives a moral of the story about how you shouldn't just lie about your love for people since it'll hurt them
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>>90228518
Sugar had nothing to do with Islands. Also, there's no evidence that Susan is in love with Frida. One could possibly make a case for Frida to Susan, but not the other way around.
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Just because they haven't been mentioned yet, I'd put Marceline's Closet and Sons of Mars up there. Basically everything Castuera/Moynihan did together was comedy gold.
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I like Lemongrab Episodes because i can
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>>90230275
I don't know if you're joking but I like them as well. Especially The Mountain.
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>>90231171
I'm not, i honestly find Lemongrab a really interesting troubled character

It's kinda weird
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>>90210305
Tough. I dunno why but Music Hole comes to mind, no idea why my brain would do that though, but eh
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>>90231576
I really enjoyed music hole. It was far from perfect but it was very enjoyable from me. It also made me wish this song was better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg5BLMQxKFY
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>>90229168
>cucked by Fern

I will fucking riot if this happens. Finn matured a lot when it comes to romance and I don't want to see that again
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>>90227840
Season 3 is the pinnacle of classic AT.
Season 7 is the pinnacle of modern AT.
This is correct.
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>>90231782
Neither do I, but it may happen. It honestly depends on how much the writers actually consider HW to be a match for Finn. For all we know, they may have another love interest planned for the final season, or may want to end the show with no romance. If they want to tie up the loose end, they'll probably use Fern for it.
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>>90229168
>cucked by fern
I don't even ship but I honestly would be pissed if this happens.
Not only because it just pointlessly shits on Finn, but it also means that there was no reason for HW to drop Finn in the first place.
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>>90224093
ALL 4 of my grandparents died senile as fuck, like full blown Alzheimer's and Dementia, i think im next right after my parents
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>>90232401
They've been making strides in treatments for alz's.
Best be proactive now by sleeping right, keeping your brain active, and eating fish oil.
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Why do I want to mate with this?

>>90229168
I don't think Fern is capable of that. He would probably fall for Huntress Wizard or Breezy
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>>90232483
oh wait, cut the fish oil part and replace it with eating healthy.
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>>90230232
Closet one is alright
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>>90211390

Looking back, i think it made sense. All the negativity i had for it might've been a offshoot because of frost and fire. I think it had an ok approach to finn and the aftermath of fp, trying make-out with everything he could to get a new spark.
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>>90214124
It's not like he's worth anything as he is now. The shorter they keep harping on the same string, the better.
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>>90234084
How does it feel to know that the UK's bitching was responsible for Finn getting his arm back near immediately.
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>>90211390
>>90234084
>>90234262
Can someone explain to me why no one like Breezy?
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>>90234346
Just read the thread. It's mentioned somewhere around here.
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>>90214124
>lena dunHAM
DUSGUSTING. Fucking dropped
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>>90234492
Only >>90234262 mention anything like that
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>>90234635

I was shocked when reading that article, too. Not-so-fun fact
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>>90234681
I think it was largely the disappointment in Finn getting his arm back so quickly.
I wasn't even here on /co/ during that period so I can't be sure.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaiF90GGHTA

also those comments
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>>90214190
>no grand destiny

So all that shit with the comet and past lives was... What exactly?
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>>90236535
Jmoyns actually meant for the whole comet and past lives thing to symbolize how all of that junk had no bearing on Finn's life, and that all that grob was independent of one another.
He just sucked at conveying it.

In any case, Finn's decision to stay with Earth was representative of all that.
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>>90236705
also source: He came on /co/ several times.
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>>90236705
>finn's mother is dead
>finn's dad is just a con and fucked off
>finn is a loser

great family
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>>90236705
>He just sucked at conveying it.

No kidding.

Maybe I won't hate the season 6 finale quite as much next time I rewatch it. Still not gonna be able to get over Orgalorg jobbing so hard though. Regardless, I'm glad Adventure Time has bounced back so solidly for me after both of my own perceived dips in quality. It's been a great ride overall.
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>>90236836
>finn is a loser
eat shit
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>>90218089
>>90220850
>>90220903
"The most beloved" and "the thing that ruined everything" are not mutually exclusive. Watchmen, The Dark Knight Returns, etc.

To me, I Remember You was great because it was a sudden serve into feels territory after hinting at these characters' pasts for a while, and it stood out from the show's formula at the time.

>>90226094
Your friends were shitters for recommending this to you. It only matters to people who've already been watching the show.
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>>90210395
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>>90236705
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>>90210395
Fucking this. The entire episode sums up what the entire series should be.

Finn in a magical world
Meet weird creatures
Go on crazy adventures
Romance and makes a family
Still adventure
Complete quest but realizes the greatest quest was his family
Dies content.
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JAAAAAAMESSSSS BAXTEERRRRR[/spoilers]
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>>90233615
You didn't like Sons of Mars?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgmAAXzhP08
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>>90237188
gay
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>>90237655
Abe dieds, so meh
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>>90211033
MAKING UP NEW NUMBERS
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>>90226407
HOLY CRAP HOW DID I FORGET TO PUT IS THAT YOU?.
And i think Boom Boom defines more Finn's character, why does he stands on being a hero and help people and his dinamics with Jake. Also, after Islands, it comes full circle, so definitely one -if not the most important- episode of S1.
>>90226578
Egress is solid kino, but Flute Spell was the one that gave me hope about the future of the show and now it's aheading tops i haven't seen in years
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It's Power Animal.

It's perfection.

Go die, all of you.
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What the hell did Martin did to make him imprison in the Citadel?
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>>90236990
>getting constantly cucked
>lower and lower power level with each season
>still stupid
>not respected

what a champ
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>>90239306
and also a manlet to this day
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>>90210305
It was genuinely tragic and beautiful. Best ep by far for me because it showcases this backdrop of dark lore for the universe really well without giving us too much information.

Of course they fucked it all up later.
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>>90239559
>lore
>>>/sug/
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>>90214124
>Betty being voiced by Lena Dunham

I still wish we could go back in time and fix this shit.

Not your fake time reversal Bonnie
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>>90210395
i wanna fuck that pillow
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>>90210665

It took my Grandpa. Shit was horrific toward the end. No thanks, I'd rather check out.
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>>90216340
People aren't happy with what happened to Marceline's character.
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>>90217989

MY WAY
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>>90210395

Damn, I never really thought of it but I gotta agree.

Got me feeling melancholy too.
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>>90234262

Europes always the reason for this shit. I want my mauville game corner back yuropoors
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>>90241319
Fuck off with this le europe meme, GameFreak was just plain lazy you fucking retarded drone
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>>90236967

Damn, really wish the fight with orgalorg was more intense.
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>>90240872

>not liking lore about howthe world went to shit
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>>90210305
>demystifying Ice King and giving Marceline an even more convoluted backstory
>MUH MELODRAMA
That was the beginning of the end of Adventure Time to what it is now today: a bunch of hacks trying to one-up each other with DEEP LORE and DRAMA, focusing less and less on the main characters eventually turning him into a laughing stock and showing the once fantastic world of Ooo as a shitty hodgepodge of random ideas taken from the garbage bin of what the writers thought was good.

>>90210395
This, because it was separate from the characters and world that have now been unveiled: an isekai done right and lessons told perfecty. The set up was stupid: LOL I'M DEPRESSED BECAUSE I THINK THIS HOT BITCH THINK I SUCK AND AM SPILLING SPAGHETTI. Would've been perfect if we didn't at all get to see Jake and BMO.
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>>90241383
I do like it, but it never was nor should be the focus. The mystery is what makes it cool.
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>>90241563
>demystifying Ice King
I get the rest of the argument but before this episode there was no mystery, he was just a one-note punchline.
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>>90241563
>a bunch of hacks trying to one-up each other with DEEP LORE
When have the writers ever done this. They barely focus on lore at all.
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>>90229168
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>>90241718
he's just trying to bump the thread by shitposting
sage
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I'm watching the Kent Osborne panel from november of last year at MCM London.
A lot of fascinating stuff about the creative process. Like how Puhoy started as a doodle drawn by Pat McHale, and passed over to a writer who then wrote the plot based off of the one doodle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKq8wA4EDVo
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>>90229088
>Bronwyn
Bronwyn was hanging around all those boys trying to impress them and ditching schoolwork for a reason, she's a bitch in heat who wants to get knotted and pregnant.

>Huntress Wizard
She already got NATURE'D, her only chance for romance is nature Finn, a.k.a. Fern.

>Summer
Who was this again?

>LSP
She's been overtly hetero the entire show, and actively jealous/hostile toward other attractive females.
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>>90242003
Basically from what I understand, the way they would come up with ideas for an episode would be that someone in the staff would make a doodle, which would then be passed to a writer who would give the doodle a plot.
Seriously, if you like AT, this is a good video.
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>>90242052
Wow, that's actually how a lot of DC's silver age stories were created, except it was cover first - then story. Cover artists started to fuck with the writers by making increasingly harder to justify scenarios (one reason why SA Supes so frequently looked like an asshole) and eventually this led to "Flash of Two Worlds" being written, and the creation of the DC multiverse.
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>>90242003
Why are the question-askers always so goddamned spaghetti ridden
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>>90242201
public speaking isn't a skill held by many
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>>90210305
I really liked Return to the NIghtosphere

mainly becuase the whole banana joke bears to have it rewatched again. and the whole blood mist.
not to mention how freakey the nightopshere is.
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>>90242003
>The UK is why Finn stopped spitting on people past S1.
why
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWaZr17BLBQ
I don't know why I've never thought about watching AT's comic-con's panels before
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I don't get the love for Jake the brick. It is a load of stills as everyone listens to a dumb story. Not even a funny, just tries to be a little weird.

Felt like someone jerking it to their own short story.
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>>90234346
Resolved find arms too quickly, ham fisted message and song was mediocre.
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>>90234346
More romance when AT romance was really bad
Backtracking on Finn being over PB and that subplot in general. Apologists try to argue it wasn't
Status Quoed arm in a pretty nonsensical way
Finn sort of got raped a little
Breezy's awful second design
Also Breezy was a creep and not that likeable
One of the people involved admitted the episode was about their own weird issues with women
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>>90242399
Dana Snyder is great
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>>90242564
>More romance when AT romance was really bad
True, but an episode like this was necessary for Finn to get over it.
>Backtracking on Finn being over PB and that subplot in general.
Not really? Depends on your interpretation, but that's not how I saw it.
>Status Quoed arm in a pretty nonsensical way
This point's subjective, but fair. I personally liked it.
>Finn sort of got raped a little
Haha, yup.
>Breezy's awful second design
Also fair.
>Also Breezy was a creep and not that likeable
I liked Breezy being a creep and a complete sperg.
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>>90242564
>Backtracking on Finn being over PB and that subplot in general. Apologists try to argue it wasn't

If he really was through her, that subplot wouldnt exist. But it always comes back one way or another and the real conclusion of it will be in the last episode where they treat each other as friends lol
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>>90242715
It wasn't cause in later episodes he still isn't and this didn't achieve that anyway
Cause you are an apologist, everyone at the time understood it as romantic
No it was nonsensical whether you liked it on not. Even if you go but magic, the chain of events doesn't make sense. Plus it undid a huge plot point people had been waiting for in what amounts to oh it is fixed now episode over.
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Could we please get one more Donny episode before it all ends? His character is a good comedic relief.
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>>90242844
No we need more banana guard episodes.
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>>90242865
ABSOLUTELY AGREED
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>>90242824
>It wasn't cause in later episodes he still isn't and this didn't achieve that anyway
Name one time after this episode that Finn had any romance drama with FP/PB.
>Cause you are an apologist, everyone at the time understood it as romantic
Using ad hominem and appealing to popular opinion to support your argument is weak.
>the chain of events doesn't make sense.
They do. Finn's emotional state is directly linked to the state of his arm. Finn is depressed, flower wilts. Finn begins to feel genuine emotion again, the flower (grass sword) grows into a new arm. You can think that's bullshit or whatever, but the logic follows.
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>>90239005
He fucked the warden's waifu.
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Are we ever going to learn about Princess Bubblegum's great uncle Gumball?
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>>90242564
>Backtracking on Finn being over PB and that subplot in general

I fee like anything related to that subplot brought this series to its lowest lows. Well, as long as we pretend that the Fionaverse doesn't exist.
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>>90242896
Bun bun has him and fp talking about their issues, you know an episode where shit with that actually develops instead of just fucking around with a bee. Never mind when people went all in on pajama war for PBxFinn again. Like seriously his problems with romance is still regular enough despite you now going to downplay any time it was.
And being an apologist makes you a bitch so add adhom to that
Even if i don't argue the bullshit of the first part which they just invent then, huge leap from feeling emotional to a tree grows him a honey covered arm. Cause you know the grass sword was just constantly growing limbs for people, its main power as we all know. You didn't even try to bridge that gap
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>>90242988
I love Bun Bun. PB should have realized that those scraps were better stuff than the final product.
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Do you guys like BMO episodes? I used to hate those but they've grown on me a lot.
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>>90243011
They range from cute with neat concepts to forgettable yet inoffensive
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>>90243011

The drugs and masturbation allegories are tasteless idk
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>>90243011
I remember loving some and being weirded out by others. AT as usual.

BMO is a top QT314 in any cases.
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>>90242988
Yeah Bun Bun was great development for Finn, but he needed to grow up first.
> Like seriously his problems with romance is still regular enough
The only 'romance' episode in the past 2 and a half seasons was Flute Spell. That's it. And in that he behaved way more maturely than he had ever done before.
>And being an apologist makes you a bitch so add adhom to that
kek
>Cause you know the grass sword was just constantly growing limbs for people, its main power as we all know. You didn't even try to bridge that gap
The magic goo from the citadel is what caused the flower to grow from the remnants of the grass sword. His arm was already in the process of regenerating thanks to the goo, but was struggling to grow due to his despondent emotional state.
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>>90242975
Supposedly there's going to be a PB mini-series, but it's just rumor at this point.
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>>90243074
Nigger you explaining the grass sword again is not helping you. It had not shown to have the power to regrow a limb no matter what goes with it, hell it never since even showed the ability to imitate human flesh. Also nice to see you stepping away from it was the sword to actually it was the goo he currently wasn't in contact with and errr magic! Also great just how much the show emphasised his emotions were stopping it, oh wait it didn't and when he was down recently it was about his dad not love. The one that caused him to loose his arm, but instead of him dealing with that and having interesting developments from that lets make finn fuck a bee and dream about PB.

Him regrowing his arm that quick after lost it in such a nonsensical way will forever be seen as one of the lowest points in AT.
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>>90237654
Games Bookstore
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>>90243234
I disagree but respect your opinion.
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>>90243234
>Him regrowing his arm that quick after lost it in such a nonsensical way will forever be seen as one of the lowest points in AT
It really was a let down. Notice how past that point everything seems to reset back to status quo when shit happens?
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>>90237188
Boom Boom Mountain is how the series should be in nutshell. Also the first episode I seen. Also polish dubbing > original
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>>90214190
No. No. No. No.

I don't care if Finn is from humble beginnings, he is a hero. He should be the son of a bitch duking it out with the Lich head on.

Also the "he's just a dude" thing is severely undermined by the comet faggotry.
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>>90225126
>tfw never get to see Finn contacting the ghost of Joshua to reforge the sword with new demon blood
That was Finn's best sword. Fuck the ones that came after.
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>>90243234
I'm just sad it took that approach to Finn coping.

There are much better, and much funnier ways it could have been done.
>Finn lazes around like a lump of shit
>Jake drags him along to a book club that lady rainacorn dragged him to
>Finn is forced to listen to cringe worthy bad romantic stories and gets so bored he falls asleep
>ends up self inserting into the story in his dreams
>follows the stupid plot to a stupid resolution, thinking it'll make him happy
>it doesn't and he tries again and again
>gets so into his sadness over not feeling a spark that the dream becomes a jumbled nightmare
>gets chased around by fused monstrosities of PB and FP who laugh at him and reject him
>just before he gets devoured by them he gets woken up by Jake laughing way too loud at a pun
>decides that it's not worth worrying about anymore as he exits the building and walks off playing his flute
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>>90243382
You could probably point to it as the moment many lost interest. Not that everyone stopped watching but it was around there a real breaking point happened. AT has been in a weird popularity limbo since.

Which is something of a shame as AT has improved since then, but even with that points people make out are highs like stakes aren't all that great. Plus stuff like Finn being a comet is really dumb still.
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The Lemongrab episodes, by far. I don´t know why but Justin Roiland's autistic screeches always manage to put my soul at ease.
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>>90243728
AT hit rock bottom and stayed there for a long time.

Fuck stuff like Beezy and Lemonhope.
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>>90243655
It wasn't just about FP, he was depressed in general about his dad n shit. The premise is really cool though, I love the groundhog day gimmick especially.
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>>90243655
The real issue with Finn coping was everyone was so soured by what lead up to it. It is difficult to make a satisfying resolution to Finn appearing to get cucked by a retard (technically twice cause he got off on seeing FP fight ice king).

But to do it you have to engage with those elements, which is what made Bun Bun work. The problem with AT's semi episodic nature is that it literally takes years to get to that point. Which results in things like oh your dad is in the spirit realm now be happy with this Finn. Stuff like that is one off a dropped plot point.

I think Finn suffering is okay, but pretty much everyone wants to see him actually get over it with a storyline that justifies change in him.
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>>90243728
I feel that the show started going weird when they brought PB back to her original age appearance and Finn started to become really creepy about the whole "romancing" her affair. I think it started getting better when he got his groove back after getting dumped by FP and things went back to plain good old F+J adventuring.
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>>90244120
The loli-PB thing will forever be the biggest wasted opportunity in this show.

Well, besides Martin.
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>>90244489
Watching the earlier seasons I'd actually forgotten how much they seemed to push Finn and PB. It was always kind of one sided, but she never went fully cold to him. There was always a bit of hope for him.

I just remembered how excited I was when young PB was revealed, I thought they would actually keep it. I wasn't even a shipper, I just thought it was the natural way for the show to progress.
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>>90236705
That's pretty dumb then. I the point was it didn't matter why introduce it at all?

It undermines Finn's character just by existing, he's not just some guy who is a hero because of his strength, willpower, and desire to help others, he's apparently the latest in a long line of cosmic reincarnation bullshit. I think the fact that this exists at all is really dumb in general, but if it does exist they should at least have done something about it, not just tried to shove it under the rug when the fans said it was stupid.
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>>90238375
Power Animal is some great classic AT, shows that Sugar (and Muto) was great at basically every aspect of the show while she was still working on it. Gal could do fun shenanigans, pretty good actions sequences for AT's standards, LEEPEST DORE, and all the usual stuff she's remembered for like romance and sad backstories.

Rebecca was really good at writing Finn and Jake, that's what I miss the most about her boarding.
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>>90210305
>fun little show about a boy with a sword and a talking dog with magic powers going on fun little cute adventures in a colorful land with a princess made of bubblegum
>have an episode dedicated to mah feels, existential angst, mental disorders, dementia, elderly autism, and nuclear war
not even once
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>>90242238
I wonder if that's the reason that Finn is never drawn with nipples and a bellybutton when he takes his shirt off now.
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>>90246365
On the other hand, Burning Low was the most out of character Finn, Jake and PB have ever been written, by a long long LONG shot. There's plenty of episodes I don't care for, but that's the only one that I choose to pretend never existed.
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>>90246665
I haven't seen that episode in years but how were they out of character?
I remember PB being concerned about the fat of the world, Jake being his usual wacky self but also standing up for his bro when he thought Bubblegum was trying to fuck things up for Finn, and Finn having some cute interactions with FP, standing up to Bubblegum in an awesome way, and not even pausing when FP fell down that hole and he went to rescue her.

I can understand not liking that episode because of its straight-laced love triangle romance shit, but from what I remember the guys were in character.
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>>90246836
Finn was whining and arguing with PB about how she led him on, which basically never happened, it's not even clear what he's talking about, and the behavior was not like him at all, and Jake was chewing out PB for leading Finn on and got so legit mad he threw a box at her out of anger, which felt very wrong and weird for him. Inflated drama that came out of nowhere, just in there for the feels.
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>>90247086
>Finn was whining and arguing with PB about how she led him on, which basically never happened
Finn is a young boy.
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>>90247086
Finn did think that PB was like coming onto him and stuff in that episode, so his reactions there make sense to me I think. I liked his outburst mostly because it's one of like, 2 times Finn actually stood up to PB and didn't just do whatever she said.

And I think it's good that Jake was actually that mad, when something serious is going on with Finn Jake gets serious, I like that. He would be much more boring if he was always just the goofy comic relief sidekick no matter the situation.

Both their reactions are based off that classic miscommunication trope which is pretty lazy in retrospective, but I think the being explicitly OOC isn't why that episode may be bad, at least from my perspective.
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>>90243011
They're alright
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Is Huntress Wizard the least terrible match for Finn yet?
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>>90250188
I believe she's the best match for modern Finn. Shipping aside, I think early Finn and Young PB were a great match, and I loved his early interactions with Marceline as well.
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>>90247321
Jake standing up to her was the best thing in that episode. Fuck PB.
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>>90250188
There's a joke somewhere about FP and matches, but it's not coming to my mind right now.
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>>90250188
She very well may be but that's not saying much.
She is still an ascetic weirdo who seems too serious for Finn, so even if they were able to get something going I don't know if it would last.
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>>90250330
>Fuck PB
I sure would.
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>>90250292
>I think early Finn and Young PB were a great match
That was before all the backstory about her being old as shit.
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>>90210305
>why was it I Remember You?
Because Sugar made it.
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>>90243387
This is some low quality taste
>>90237808
Clever.
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>>90250188
Well, the writers are doing something with her, since she still likes Finn.
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>>90250188
He is gonna get cucked by a blade of grass pretending to be him
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>>90252220
Bootiful.
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>>90252220
>>90252240
Isn't that the reason why she was so interested in the first place? Finn's grass hand?
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>>90252284
No idea, quit the series back in S5
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>>90252284
She was at first. She later developed feelings for Finn. She even admited it after they summoned the Spirit of the Forest.
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>>90252284
It was more his flute playing, but she did notice it and maybe it help add magic to his flute playing somehow.

>>90252518
Fern is pretty similar to him though
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>>90252594
Except that he admitted he's not Finn at all sans appearance. He wants to develop an identity of his own.

Besides, Fern is pretty much fucked anyway, since the Grass Cthulhu is waiting for something.
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>>90252714
He still is a lot like Finn, enough that the stuff HW went on about like wild adventuress or something is close


Finn's only chance at that grassy puss is if lil cuthulu completely fucks up Fern
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>>90252945
I doubt that the writers are going to cuck Finn again, after all the backlash they've caused with FP.

And like I said, she's still interested in him as of Wheels, and that close-up is probably a hint that she's getting another episode.
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Wow, High Strangeness is easily the worst episode I have seen yet.
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>>90253055
Nah, it was funny and the politics were so nonsensical that you're a fag if you took it seriously.
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>>90253121
>Tree Trunks literally cheated on Pig for years now
>Tree Trunks doesn't even act like Tree Trunks
>The alien club is just a bunch candy people acting like candy people
>all those alien babies
It not even funny. Just dumb
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>>90253055
>still watching AT
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>>90253004
See the way i think that scene could go is she didn't connect with his song cause he lost the grass powers. She didn't look happy in that scene, though i guess she generally doesn't

Also just an irrelevant side note, i hate they zoomed in on her. Makes a great tease really lame.
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>>90253004
Yeah, and he sorta plays nearly as good as he did back on Flute Spell. i think it's safe to say they might get along. I feel a little bad for Fern, since -given the very little time they have for fully develop him- he's nothing but some plot device. It would have been interesting to have him as a recurring for a while instead of just being there in four or five episodes then completely being forgotten about.
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>>90253219
Dude
>it's a Tree Trunks episode
If anything, it's way better than any other Tree Trunks episode -except from Gold Stars.
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>>90253219
>>Tree Trunks literally cheated on Pig for years now
Before she knew him. And TT is a slut, she hits on anything that moves.
This stands for your second point too.
>>The alien club is just a bunch candy people acting like candy people
So the CP are in character?
>all those alien babies
They were funny, the sight of little Tree Trunks with gray faces was a good gag.

All your critiques are dumb guy.
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Aight here's the official GOAT episodes list

S1- The Enchiridion!, Wizard, Evicted!

S2- It Came from the Nightosphere, The Chamber of the Frozen Blades, The Real You, The Limit, Mortal Folly/Recoil

S3- What Was Missing, The Creeps, No One Can Hear You, Holly Jolly Secrets Pt.1 and 2, Incendium

S4- Hot to the Touch, Hug Wolf, Card Wars, Burning Low, I Remember You, The Lich

S5- Finn the Human/Jake the Dog, All the Little People, Mystery Dungeon, Vault of Bones, A Glitch is a Glitch, Puhoy, One Last Job, Candy Streets, Wizard's Only Fools, Frost & Fire, Time Sandwich, The Vault

S6- Food Chain, Is That You?, Jake the Brick, The Pajama War, Gold Stars

S7- Varmints, Bad Jubies, The Hall of Egress, Flute Spell, Don't Look, Bun Bun, The Music Hole, Daddy-Daughter Card Wars

S8- Islands

Season 3-5.1 was the best of Adventure Time, when the writers were in top form with the characters. After Frost & Fire they started losing talent and the new guys took awhile to get in groove. Season 6 was awful, but Season 7 was honestly great and 8 is shaping up to be just as good.
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>>90253219
>One of her alien kids is Zorak

...fuck. I forgot what Zorak said at the end of $20.01 (that episode with Penn, Teller and John Hodgson). Something about a space baby or something
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>>90253418
Oh god I forgot Rainy Day Daydream for S1 and Death in Bloom for S2
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>>90253354
She only good as a side character and it didn't flow well here

>Gold Star
That was the Lich episode. The speech alone made it high tier.

>>90253360
Yeah but keeping that shit a secret from Pig is pretty mess up. I wouldn't be surprise if Pig would leave her because of that.

>So the CP are in character?
Yeah and it didn't really add much to it other than pissing off Trunks. That and Science being there.

>They were funny, the sight of little Tree Trunks with gray faces was a good gag.
The point about it is that she wasn't really faith to her many husband seeing that she had all those babies.

This character addition to Trunk was unnecessary and it really mess up my opinion about her.
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>>90253418
>Season 6 was awful
I actually love season 6 even though the ending was really rushed. Breezy is one of my favorite episodes I think.
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>>90253004
>after all the backlash they've caused with FP

Cinnamon Bun?
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>>90253581
I feel like you care too much about TT's character dude, I'd much rather they have her act ooc if she's interesting, and the stuff she did in High Strangeness is the most entertaining she's been in years so I'm for it.
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>>90253614
The entre breakup arc fiasco (Frost and Fire, Too Old, Earth and Water and The Red Throne)
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>>90210395
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>>90253418
I must hand it to you people being able to sort out your favorites like that, I watched all that stuff only once when it aired I can't remember shit unless it's actually discussed.
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>>90253591
Season 6 wasn't awful but I think it's safe in saying that it's my least favorite season.

Escape from the Citadel was such a good season opener and I feel like Breezy just took all the momentum that episode gave and smashed it to pieces, and the season took until like Evergreen to really pick up again.
And the comic arc in its entirety was dumb and anti-climactic.
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>>90253635
I figure I want her to interact with Sweet P and see the shenanigan that Sweet P cause as a Lich and see how Tree Trunk react to it, but they never really did anything for Tree Trunk or the pig to interact with Sweet P all that much. I would rather have that instead of what High Strangeness is
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>>90253765
>not being a nerd and memorizing every episode of a children's cartoon
I bet you kiss girls loser
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>>90253591
I'm of the opinion that all season finales feel rushed and most of the time unsatisfying.
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>>90253681
Didn't those move a lot of character development though? Sure, going back there a second time would be pants on head retarded.
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>>90253835
I think Season 2, 3, and 4 had great finales. Season 5 almost had a good one, but they flubbed the very end.
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>>90253835
I felt that with Preebot/Reboot but then it might be the eight months of wait. The Lich was a great finale.
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>>90253775
>Escape from the Citadel
Now that was one of the most satisfying and exciting episodes they came up with, it even managed to make the Lich not boring as shit for once.
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>>90253926
>>90253939
I remember being particularly disappointed with the Lich. Same as Reboot, whenever they come up with an episode that can summed up as "fight big monster" it ends up being unfunnny, uncreative and overall dull. Also making the monster a brainwashed version of a regular girl that's going to be so fine in the end helps nothing.
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>>90254052
>implying The Lich was unfunny, uncreative, or dull
Dude what? That episode was interesting as hell the whole way through.
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>>90254170
I was confusing it with Mortal Recoil, The Lich was fine though I don't remember being impressed.
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>>90254232
Mortal Recoil was awesome too though!
Geez you really hate the Lich huh.
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>>90254232
If they had sticked to the original plan -which was revealing Martin right there- it might have been an excelent episode. It's still one of the best finales -if not the best- the show had so far.
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>>90254253
AT is so full of crazy, funny and entertainig and endearing villains, the Lich's schtick doesn't go beyond "he's evil for the sake of evil", if it wasn't for Ron Pearlman I don't think I could deal with it at all. Him turning PB into a giant piece of charcoal managed to be one of the most unfunny episode around.
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>>90254406
That would have been dumb and just made the episode way too filled to the brim with disconnected ideas.

Why introduce Finn's father in that situation? They were already dealing with the Lich and the alternate reality world, adding Finn's dad would have just made things more rushed and not really benefited the episodes. They were right to hold off on that idea for later.
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>>90253418
>>90253521
Not a bad list guy. You obviously love Flame Princess, who I never cared for, but I like all the rest. Nice to see some love for Varmints, it's a great episode for PB's development and bubbline if you're into that
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>>90255613
>and bubbline if you're into that
They're not giving us any choice by now.
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>>90255733
>implying
the more they obstinately push Bubbline the more apathetic I become to it
I get why people like it but the show ain't gonna shill it hard enough for me to be a fan no matter how much spicy subtext they fit in
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>>90220828
More than one.
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So I just watch the entire series in a span of one week. I thought it was a great series. So what, Human still remain as technological powerhouse compare to everything in OOO I take it?
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>>90258641
I wonder what it's like watching AT all at once instead of seeing it as it comes out over half a decade. Probably not as fun but at the same time less rage inducing.

It looks like humans are the strongest technological faction that exists in the setting, a lot moreso than PB, but I don't know how far that goes in a setting where there's magic out the ass that could be way stronger than whatever tech there is.
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My favorite episode is Something Big

I know Jesse Moynihan's stoned philosophic rambling is counterfeit, but I still love it. I find it deeply amusing that something like that would air on a major network in a show aimed at preteens.

Though I Remember You and Simon & Marcie are two very fine examples of when the show didn't fuck up. I Remember You is definitely one of the episodes where music is used most effectively
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>>90258813
Actually now that I think of it, music was used really effectively in Simon & Marcie, too. The use of the Cheers theme song is one of the cleverest deepest and saddest things in the entire show
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>>90258766
The show is honestly a lot worse when you're watching it serially rather than all at once. Gives you too much time to get attached to theories and impressions before it slaps them outta your hands. I say this as someone who watched it serially until not long after Breezy (I think Food Chain might have been the last episode I bothered to watch?) and is now climbing the seasons archivally and enjoying it much more.
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>>90258766
I'm sure I would rage on the CinnXFlame Princess fiasco since it seem like a big fuck you to Finn.

They would probably not mention that again and go back to magic and PB making another gadgets that would somehow fuck up her kingdom again. Then again, the first few episode of the latest season indicate to us that the Elemental are going the next arc
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>>90259192
Yeah they don't really cultivate the mysteries in the show very well because I don't think they care near as much as the fans do.
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>>90259192
I watched it as it came out until about season 5. By the time I decided to catch up season 6 had already aired, and I enjoyed it quite a lot. I'm assuming that watching it all at once made my experience more enjoyable too.
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>>90259192
I believe that, but making theories and just shooting the shit with people is usually half the fun of watching media, so I'm not sure it's worth the trade off.

I think this is just particularly hazardous with AT because it always seems to be going eight directions at once so it's pretty easy to ge invested in the one you want then out from left field there's episodes about Jake's tail at a circus or two bunny ears who say chips and ice cream.
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>>90259382
The biggest left field episode for me was the ice golem and the fire dog. It just there and the main cast appears at the end, acknowledging about how two opposite force and set aside their differences and be friend. The lesson is there but they hardly show the main cast or any of the 2nd or 3rd tier characters as the main character.
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What are some under discussed screw ups you feel AT has made?

I always thought Billy was very poorly used as a character and plot device. He was Finn's idol but they met literally twice, and one time it wasn't even actually Billy. His death wasn't nearly as impactful. as it could have and should have been since we never saw the guy in episodes, and the effect was lost on Finn too, he barely seems to care that much.

I think Billy's character and his whole arc would have been way better if for like 3 or 4 episodes before he died he was hanging out as a bit of a mentor for Finn, just interacting with him teaching him stuff and forming their bond more. That way both Finn and the audience would care more when he bites the bullet.
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>>90224258
I agree. Ice King is an underweight little old man.
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>>90259757
They probably couldn't afford to have Lou Ferrigno in all the time. Plus I hear he's difficult to work with. Still, it's a shame, because you're right, Billy was cool and underutilized.

I'm kinda pissed that Rattleballs jobbed so hard against Susan. The episode he's introduced is one of the most solid, funny scripts in that entire season, and it's obvious from what he can do that he's pretty powerful. They love their anti-climaxes in AT though.
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Fuck, this is really hard for me to decide. I'll just rank my favourites by season like that other guy. Haven't watched everything and it's been a while since I've seen most of these. Feel free to call me out on having shit taste.

S1: Wizard, Evicted!
S2: It Came from the Nightosphere, Death in Bloom, The Limit
S3: Morituri Te Salutamus, What Was Missing, No One Can Hear You, Another Way, Dad's Dungeon
S4: Goliad, Princess Cookie, Sons of Mars, King Worm, I Remember You
S5: All The Little People, Simon & Marcy, A Glitch is a Glitch, Be More, Puhoy, Too Old
S6: Escape From the Citadel, Evergreen, Walnuts & Rain
S7: Hall of Egress, Don't Look
S8: Imaginary Resources, Min & Marty
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>>90229178
LSP already dated a female penguin in that one episode where Gunther awakened his Orgalorg side. They keep dyking up every female to the point it's just dumb.
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>>90259951
Maybe it was meant to show how powerful the human tech are. Susan is one of their best Seeker and she is equip with a powerful implant that made her stronger and absorb the Gumball Guardian's blast. Heck, even a transport craft beat the said Gumball Guardian with ease.
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>>90260177
Yeah that's fair
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>>90260161
Your taste is excellent

Only glaring omission for me is Flute Spell.
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>>90242003
This....really undermines the creative process I had imagined for the AT writing staff.
I thought they actually had a plan for most of the episodes, but I guess not. They literally just come up with random ideas and roll with it.
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>>90260394
Isn't that evident from the structure of the show?
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>>90260446
It was evident from Seasons 1-2, but I thought they took a more formal approach after the show started to get its footing, but that clearly isn't the case.
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>>90210305
It made me cry
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What do you guys think of Simon Petrikov's arc so far?
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>>90260161
Very good opinions by my count, especially that season 3 selection which is a row of 9-10/10's.
Only episode on here that I actively dislike is Too Old, guess you like Lemongrab more than I
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>>90242020
>Bronwyn was hanging around all those boys trying to impress them and ditching schoolwork for a reason, she's a bitch in heat who wants to get knotted and pregnant.

Well Marceline had a boyfriend in earlier seasons and look what happened with that.
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>>90261107
He got knockout by Marceline's surrogate father?
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>>90259757
I'm not really sure exactly how under discussed this is but that way Finn and Marceline just have 0 interaction past like 2013 is lame as hell and probably my single least favorite thing the show's done. They were incredibly fun together.
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>>90255613
>you obviously love flame princess
you got me

But I do hate bubbiline until varmits won me over
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Why did the man-child autists have to push the children target-demographic out of the fandom? Fucking despicable.

Just let the children enjoy their cartoons you horrible, selfish bastards.
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>>90259757
Yeah Billy, Something Big, and honestly Susan's whole arc (until they introduced Finn's mom) was pretty bad. I did like the Lich wearing Billy's skin though. Unsettling af.
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>>90260996
I like his transition from villain to weird, family member. Even him and PB have a pretty fun dynamic now. Don't really care about the Betty stuff, and I think reverting back to Simon would be a mistake.
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>>90261412
What didn't you like about Something Big?
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Simon is such a silver fox.
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>>90261478
I wish they would've done more with him and PB honestly.
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>>90261392
I would've loved current AT as a child. But who gives a fuck about the children anyway?
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>>90261729
>I would've loved current AT as a child.
This is such a fucking cringy thing to say. How the fuck can people project their modern sensibilities onto a past version of themselves?
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>>90261802
>This is such a fucking cringy thing to say.
This is such a fucking cringy thing to say.
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>>90261802
Maybe because I remember what I was like as a child? I'm not an old fart yet.
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>>90261392
>>90261802
The same reason why I love Batman Animated Series, Batman Beyond and the Simpson as a child? That shit was engaging.
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>>90261612
That Simon is shit tier, Brown Simon is what's good.
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>>90261478
Why do you think bringing Simon back is a mistake?
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>>90261676
A PB/IK episode would be god tier.

>>90262092
That ending would be too perfect y'know? Plus I think it would somewhat negate all of the character growth he's done as the Ice King.
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>>90210665
>>90241032
I'd just hang myself the day I can't remember the name of someone important to me
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I think Simon and Marcy was a great episode, and I would like to see another shared past adventure episode about them before the show ends.
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>>90261494
It was supposed to be the Adventure Time movie and they squeezed it into 11 minutes and nothing of consequence happened. Its hard to feel threatened by a big guy with no setup and maja never stood out as a villian.
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>>90262664
The episode's about the APTWElephant.
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>>90243019
>Masturbation allegories
i guess im so retarded that masturbation allegories are 2deep4me
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>>90262394
>A PB/IK episode would be god tier
>tfw I finally understand how Marcy/Finn fans feel

You'd think that an episode with two semi-reformed crazy rulers would be the kind of comedy gold that writes itself but nope

>muh tragedy and lesbianism
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>>90243065
meant for
>>90243065
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What if Simon Petrikov banged Princess Bubblegum, how would Marceline feel about that.
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In contrast, what are some of the worst episodes in the series?
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>>90262737
>>90262775
jesus fuckin christ dude.
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>>90263125
This should be fun. The ones that come to mind are
>Dream of Love
>Box Prince
>Sad Face
>Chips and Ice Cream
>Water Park Prank
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>>90263450
I haven't even heard of them before
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>>90263553
Keep it that way.
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>>90263125
Princess Cookie
Breezy
that one where Finn dreams about fp blastin his junk
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>>90262919
She'd join in while Finn watched.
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>>90263897
Drawfags, this must be drawn.
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>>90263125
The Red Throne
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>>90264252
draw it yourself you lazy fag
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>>90263753
>Princess Cookie
Really? I don't have much love for that episode (it's okay) but AT has made ones that are so much worse.
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>>90264685
I only kind of liked it because the cookie was Turk.
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>>90264685
It is an all around uncomfortable episode with dubious moral code and no pay off.
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>>90263125
Red Throne
Water Park Prank
Chips and Ice Cream
Box Prince
Sad Face

These usually come up and seem to be pretty universally disliked. For good reason, I think. They're pretty shit.
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>>90253715
Fuck. JL all over again.
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>>90263125
ohboyohboyohboy here we go again
Official list of Shit AT Episodes by season

S1- The Witch's Garden, Donny, Gut Grinder

S2- Blood Under the Skin, The Pods, Susan Strong

S3- The Monster, Paper Pete, Another Way

S4- Gotcha!, You Made Me, The Hard Easy

S5- Davey, Bad Little Boy, The Great Bird Man, Too Old, Earth & Water, Love Games, Box Prince, Play Date, James, The Red Throne, Bad Timing, Lemonhope Pt 1, Billy's Bucket List

S6- Wake Up, The Tower, Sad Face, Breezy, The Prince Who Wanted Anything, Something Big, Joshua and Margaret Investigations, Everything's Jake, The Visitor, Dark Purple, Chips and Ice Cream, Water Park Prank, You Forgot Your Floaties, Orgalorg, On the Lam, Hot Diggity Doom

S7- Football, The More you Moe, the More you Know Pt. 1 and 2, President Porpoise is Missing!, Scamps, Preboot, Reboot

S8- None so far

As I said earlier I hated 5.2 and 6.
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>>90225112
That's right goyim, support us on Kickstarter!
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>>90266253
Witch's Garden and Donny are pretty good, otherwise I agree with your anal cyst.
>>90210322
Followed closely by Card Wars.
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>>90266253
>Witch's Garden
>Another Way
>Bad Timing
>Lemonhope pt 1
>Wake Up
>The Tower
>Joshua and Margaret Investigations
>Eveything's Jake
>The Visitor
>YOU FORGOT YOUR FLOATIES
>FOOTBALL
>THE MORE YOU MOE
>PREBOOT
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>>90266253
Goodness friendo, I can't agree with you on a lot of these. A good amount are episodes that even if I like I can see where you're coming from, but stuff like Susan Strong, Little Brother, Billy's Bucket List, The Tower, You Forgot Your Floaties, what? Just can't mesh with it man.
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>>90210305
>>90210322
>>90210395
>implying shitty Simon/Marcy eps are better

SU = AT

not memeing either
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>>90266558
what did he mean by this?
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>>90266492
>>90266509
Yeah I'm not a BMO or Susan Strong fan. I also thought the show got too pretentious at times. I knew I'd get a lot disagreeing with me on that but that's cool, each your own.
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>>90266723
It's at the very least nice getting some different perspective like this.
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>>90266558
AT>>>>>>>>>>>>SU

SU was only ever 'good' in the first two seasons, and even then only occasionally. s3 and s4 both suck hard.
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>>90267037
>being THIS delusional

they're both shit
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>>90267334
Whatever you say pal. Star vs generals are that way >>>/trash/
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Who is best puppy? No, being a parent of a skater girl doesn't count
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>>90268387
Viola has been my favorite ever since Jake put her down for the first time and her legs were trembling and she could barely stand. Best pup.

It's weird how there hasn't been any screentime for Jr. in like 3 years, she used to be the mist focused on pup but lately everyone else had had more focus.
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>>90268464
I find it ironic that for a pup that love her dad so much, Jake has the least time within her episode compare to all the other pup episodes.

Well to be fair, Jr was in like two episodes, one in which she hang out with Jake in his tree house when he made that time machine for her.

Also, that TV and Lady episode reminds me of a Korean Drama episode.
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>>90268387
Charlie best pup. I want a comfy episode of her and Kim Kil Whan not getting along, but then reconciling at the end. Or just any episode with the whole family together.
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>>90268678
A Bronwyn/Charlie bonding episode would be cool too.
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>>90268678
Wait shit, that'd just be Ocarina all over again.
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as stupid as it sounds, i wish this guy has a happy ending.
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>>90272624
I wouldn't be surprised to see him make a return actually. Seems like just the right character to make a comeback.
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What is wrong with all you idiots hating on Box Prince? I was about to post that it was one of the best.
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>>90272624
>>90272861
I want to see Mannish man again. It'd be a nice callback to the beginning.
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>>90263125
Fiona related episodes, stuff about Jake's children.
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>>90272969
It was incredibly boring.
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Before I go spouting off opinions I have to warn that I've only watched solidly up to Little Brother (S6E11), and thereafter sporadically when recommended episodes. Catching up may very well change this stance, it's just a bit of a sprawling backlog at this point:

Simon and Marcy was the absolute tops and the series' peak, 10/10 perfection, I wish there was a full series for them alone, Simon was the best thing the show's done, etc. etc. I really enjoy angsty corruption plots and cute father-daughter dynamics and they delivered perfectly on all of it in that one episode.

Honorable mentions for Return to the Nightosphere pts.1/2, You Made Me, Lady and Peebles, Dad's Dungeon, and Finn the Human/Jake the Dog. Additional honorable mentions for Mystery Dungeon, Time Sandwich, and Death in Bloom for being hilarious and having fun premises.

>>90263125
There's a ton of mediocre filler, but Betty and Breezy were both the worst for shitting on the main ongoing story so bad it needed later fixing.

>>90262394
>>90262744
Back in high school I wrote some Simon fan comics where Bubblegum was shocked by the behavioral/intellectual contrast with how he acts as Ice King and found him weirdly hot because of that. They didn't end up dating because I imagined (at the time) that the Ice Kingdom without a crown-wielder would flood the surrounding kingdoms as it melted, and that the crown would be attuned to him specifically after a thousand years, so Bubblegum would as a last resort try to force it back on him to save her kingdom. This was proven canonically untrue by Frost and Fire, but I thought the idea was neat.
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>>90273284
Do you still have the comics? I'd like to read them.
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>>90210305
We need more Simon/Marcy rule 34, right now the best we have is

http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/1288217
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>>90273840
Wow, that actually made me feel uncomfortable.
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>>90267493
I don't know if I how to compare Star Vs to AT because I like them both, but Star VS is definitely better than SU.
Of course I'm not that anon.
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>>90266558
>actual non-filler lore episodes are bad
fuck off
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>>90273925
To be fair, I only watched the first season. I heard it got better. It's bound to be better than current SU at least.
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>>90274183
Definitely watch S2. It'll take you less than a day.
Season finale's tomorrow iirc.
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>>90253715
got that was depressing
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>>90274202
Alright, will do. I'm on break right now anyway.
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>>90263125
S1: Gut Grinder
S2: Slow Love and Crystals Have Power
S3: Apple Thief
S4: Dream of Love and Hug Wolf
S5: Frost & Fire
S6: Breezy, The Prince Who Wanted Everything, Princess Day, Chips & Ice Cream, Water Park Prank
S7: Five Short Tables
S8: None.
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>>90276665
I agree with all of that except Breezy and Princess Day, but I'm probably in the minority there.
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>>90276762
The thing with Breezy is that the idea got so poorly executed it feeled like some weird ass fanfic instead of the actual show -yes, even for AT standards, its pacing was horrendous. Princess Day was somehow irrelevant. Season 6 had so many low points that the good episodes were drag by it.
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>>90276823
I didn't even love the episode, but I think the sheer amount of hate it gets is unwarranted. Princess Day was fun I thought. I'm not gonna defend either to the death or anything, but I liked them well enough. Yeah, Season 6 definitely had lows but the highs were very high.
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>>90276665
>Five Short Tables

Bottom of the barrel.
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>>90211544
Lauren zuke was a mistake
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>>90273885
That's how it starts, anon-kun.
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>>90277034
>but I think the sheer amount of hate it gets is unwarranted.
What did it do well? Even if we ignore the end where 90% of people's issue come from, Breezy is forgettable at best as a character (if she hadn't fugged the stump). The concept is just Finn goes kisses people and is played out in a very dull way (seemingly purposefully as it is a boarder pushing his issues on Finn), All the Little People did pushing random characters together much better. No lines really stand out, animation isn't noteworthy, no music stands out and is just treading on old ground of hey we made Finn all depressed about girls (while not including the important ones in this ep).

The most you can say it added requires you look at the end cause he got his arm back with grass spike, but anything good which came from that was clearly not planned at the time cause nothing is.

Without the ending it is forgettable to a bit shit, with it you could a best argue people down to it was too quick for him to get the arm back and that even if they did it the same way it could be significantly better.

The real question is why even bother defending it as okay?
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>>90242715
>Depends on your interpretation
From the song at the end

Finn
>who calls to my heart
PB
>let love be your guide

NOT ROMANTIC AT ALL!
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>>90279321
>we'll never live in a timeline where the writers actually thought out the romance from the beginning.

It's not too terrible as a whole, but I feel like the general progression of Finn's romance is pretty choppy.
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>>90279321
no you don't get it man it's totally platonic love for just being PB's lapdog and servant not romantic in anyway and if you think so you're probably just a filthy shipper :^)
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>>90281904
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>>90273823
I'm afraid not, it was a long time ago at this point and I never scanned them, and they were never that polished to begin with.

Another part of it was Simon and Marceline coming over for a movie night at Finn and Jake's, with Flame Princess. Simon confesses he doesn't recognize her but that he apologizes for if he ever tried to kidnap her, and she responds "Oh, you did, but my dad set your beard on fire. It was actually really funny."

And the movie's Heat Signature, which he mentions was never a favorite of his but fondly reminisces on seeing it with Betty and making fun of it with her.

There was also a whole comic back during roughly the time of Simon and Marcy about him meeting and confronting Hunson about abandoning Marceline, and getting worked up enough about it that he starts losing focus as himself, even with the crown off. Hunson cavalierly shoots back that maybe Simon's getting dangerous enough that Marceline would have been better off alone.

Then there was another bit where Ice King's buying some junk from a witch and finds and buys Hambo for way too much money for a reason he can't really place (I'm still bitter about Sky Witch devaluing Hambo's sentimental value, normally Bubbline stuff is fine by me but that was such a middle finger even if you slice it "the shirt's value is 'fresher'")

These pretty much all got lost to canon developments but I enjoyed making them.
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>>90283403
>Simon and Marcy about him meeting and confronting Hunson about abandoning Marceline,
You know it is weird that they never met in some way
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>>90284038
I think they just didn't know how they wanted to have the scene go. That or they really couldn't find time for it, which is less likely.
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>>90284038
I think in the Enchiridion book they explicitly mention they just never met each other until he was Ice King. Hunson needs to be summoned, so I guess Marcy just put that off until she had to leave Simon.
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>>90264252
And kys while you're at it
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>>90279321
There's obviously still unresolved tension between them. Just like Finn said in islands:

>"Just keep the ones where she's our boss and FORGET everything else!"
Forget loli (god tier) PB, forget the movie nights, forget The Pajama War, forget even chilling with her on top of the tower walls in James II.

He's gonna have to rip out that love like a cancer
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>>90210395
I'm glad this was posted so early. It's correct, though I Remember You is definitely top 3 material.
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>>90287436
I think it's more that he just wants to be done with all that stuff from younger, more immature days.
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>>90288644
He said EVERY non "romantic" or infatuated moment with her.

His feelings for PB will always be pushed down, eating at him until the sweet release of death.

Well, that or he remembers his life as Finn in another life then he's fucked.
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>>90278892
>treading on old ground of hey we made Finn all depressed about girls
You missed the point. It wasn't about the girls, they were just a means to an end. He was trying to reignite a spark in him because he was depressed, and he thought kissing a bunch of girls would somehow help, but of course it didn't because there was no genuine feeling. The entire episode was an allegory for overcoming depression.

I personally didn't give a shit that he got "his arm" back. I'm not sure how you make having one arm interesting, and the grass arm did lead to some cool plot lines down the road.

>The real question is why even bother defending it as okay?
Because it was okay, and not everyone shares the same opinion as you.
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>>90279321
You could interpret it many ways. Finn obviously did love PB at one point in time, perhaps the image of her reminded him of that previous spark. You're probably right that he still does have some suppressed feelings there too, but that's normal. It's not hinting that he's completely obsessed with her like he was in the past, which I guess is my main point.

The other interpretation that I like better is that she is holding Finn's sword. His real passion is being a hero and PB's knight, and that is what it takes to reignite the spark in him.
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>>90214124
No, it makes the tradgedy of ice king null.
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>>90246665
As overdramatic as it was, at least they had emotions, and confronted their problems.

I know the AT style is just to go lolcool and brush everything off, but I respect how Sugar wanted to address how Finn was having a hard time with his feelings, and do something about it. Other writers won't do that because it demands scary shit like Finn crying, and Jake getting seriously pissed off, and PB getting told she's a bitch. Not having an outlet for serious feelings like that in the show has really ruined any attempt at drama.
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>>90247086
>Finn was whining and arguing with PB about how she led him on, which basically never happened
that's like the whole show. at least from his perspective.

it's just normally forbidden to mention his silent expectation that she'll love him someday, in return for everything he's done. it's not PC or whatever, but that's what knighthood IS.
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>people find Box Prince boring
wow I really liked that episode
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>>90290868
I mean. Everything because of that kiss in Too Young solidified the fact she led him on.
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>>90259757
"Killing" Finn's fear of the ocean out of the blue. literally FOR WHAT PURPOSE. The protagonist's greatest fear is very important.

They did nothing with King of Ooo. PB should've lived in a cabin for a long time, possibly forever.

Less of a screw-up than a wasted opportunity, but zero attention given to the backstory of Finn and Jake as kids, and how they came to serve Bubblegum exclusively. It would be very useful to know why she cared about little baby Finn when she had Billy, or other similar grown up protectors.
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The Tower, no contest.

#2 is Goliad
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>>90290275
>I'm not sure how you make having one arm interesting
It was more that it was meaningful. It represented the betrayal of his father, and also his destiny, and they trivialized it.
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>>90290868
>it's just normally forbidden to mention his silent expectation that she'll love him someday,

the viewer and prepubescent Finn are the only people who would reasonably think this. Probably because the former shares the named trait with the latter, at least emotionally.
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>>90291411
I feel very similar with Finn's ocean fear. Was so out of nowhere and Finn had 0 agency at all with its happening. Also remember the moral of "the mark of a hero is his flaw" because apparently the writers sure as hell forgot.
In light of Islands I'm a little more annoyed because they could have done something neat like working Finn gradually getting over his fear of the ocean into it as a subplot or something which could have been very cool.

And with Billy and PB, their relationship as always been implied to have existed but who knows how close they were, Billy's old squeeze was mentioned as being that other lady. Also Billy has been retired (or living in shame and exile or whatever) for x many years before Finn and Jake turned up so I'm sure the constant Ice King kidnappings and whatever else she was dealing with.

I think the show has no desire to show how Finn and Jake met PB because the pilot exists and seems to be close enough for them, but it's kind of a boring scenario and it would be cool if there was more explored there. I always had the personal idea that they met soon after Finn and Jake first started living at the Treefort after their parents died and saving PB from the Ice King or whatever inspired Finn to get over feeling depressed over their parents death and go into the hero mode he was operating on in season 1. Also thought it would be cool if Jake was concerned about letting Finn do such dangerous stuff (I'm sure he would be worried after losing their parents and being entirely responsible for looking after Finn) but Finn being so happy and PB saying that Finn is a natural at it (because she wants free hero labor) would be enough for Jake to relax and have Finn do his thing while Jake protected his bro on the side.
Loads of fanfictioney bullshit there but Finn and Jake's first meeting with PB could be really cool depending on how they structure it.
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>>90291827
actually, I liked Daddy-0-Daughter Card Wars almost as much as The Tower, so I guess it's tied with Goliad for me. Might be number one by the time the show's over. Having Charlie be this tarot expert after Stakes was pretty mind-fucky.
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Am I the only one in this thread who doesn't give a crap about shipping, and just am interested in seeing Finn achieve happiness in some way?
I mean for all intents and purposes, he looks to me like he's on the right track, so I don't really care who he ends up with.

To me, Finn's flaws and fuckups are the best thing that has happened to him as a character.
They certainly felt more natural to me than what happened to Dipper from Gravity falls.
He feels more like an actual person making his way through life, rather than a cliche, destined to follow the same tired routes over and over again.

Finn is legitimately my favorite cartoon character.
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>>90210912
this was damn good too. AT is at its best when its thematic focus is really narrow.
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>>90226062
yo I don't walnuts and rain at all, can someone explain the point of that episode to me.
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>>90292253
i feel like a fag for agreeing but i do.

i do have some criticisms (AT he literally still looks the same as when he was 12 what the fuck are you doing) and i think there was a good amount of missed opportunities with his character arc but what they did is still pretty cool. they went out of everyone's comfort zone (Finn's, the audience, and their own) with the kid and it was pretty neat.

when it comes to shipping i'm torn because on one hand Finn totally deserves to have a loving, lasting relationship with someone he cares about, but in the actual show i think he's a much less entertaining character when he's in romance mode. the FP stuff wasn't very interesting and he was cringy with PB a decent chunk of the time. so it's something that i would like to happen in the future for him but don't really want to see on screen, sort of a weird dichotomy.

honestly i feel like Finn's character arc isn't as good as i think it is and i'm just having some rose tinted glasses because the show is ending soon but whatever man, also one of my favorite characters even and i can never really discern why.
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>>90292253
well this is a much more accurate reading of the character than shippers give, regardless of whether people like it or not. Personally I think he's one of the least interesting main characters in the show, if not the least. I do really love what they've done with him in S8 by contrasting his maturity and world-weariness with the completely stunted emotional development of Jake. I laughed when he was yelling at that bear about all the shit he's done and that the bear should therefore not fuck with him, not cause he sounds badass, but because he sounds kind of tired and ridiculous. I think he's definitely gotten better with age.
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>>90292253
I don't care who he ends up with either, but I'd like to see the process of him starting a relationship, so long as they don't make a fucking drama out of it. We've seen him screw up so many times before, it'd be nice to see how he's matured and learned from his mistakes.
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>>90292253
All I know is that Finn is mai pure waifu
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>>90292498
also having your main character be some kind of karmic cosmic entity is a good way of adding arbitrary import to everything he does, as insincere as that might sound.
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>>90292625
as long as you don't call him a cinnamon roll
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>>90292680
hey man I may want to bang a 16 year old but I'm not that much of a faggot
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>>90292044
Daddy-Daughter Card Wars is underrated af. Wouldn't have it as my all time favourite, but it was great.
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>>90292498
Well yeah of course he's the least interesting.
We see him all the time, so there isn't really an air of mystery to him.

Likewise I'm desperate for more episodes featuring Jake's kids, and further development of PB's side plot.

>>90292675
It was mentioned in this thread, but the comet episode was meant to convey how Finn current existence is independent of his past lives.
The fact he chose to stay on Earth was symbolic of him understanding that fact.
Jmoyns even apologized on /co/, iirc, for how poorly handled that message was.
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>>90292948
>It was mentioned in this thread, but the comet episode was meant to convey how Finn current existence is independent of his past lives.

That part of it was conveyed fine imo when Finn declared his preference for meat-world.

His cosmic/karmic lineage remains profound and intriguing to me because of how themes of karmic destiny play out all throughout AT, and as a tie to the overall cosmic structure of the universe with regards to the deadworlds. His right arm being another big nexus for this.
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>>90293117
but I guess if his point was that there's no metaphysical relationship at all between Shoko and Finn, and Finn and his past incarnations and their role in the universe generally, then it'd be pretty weird to bring that stuff up at all in the first place.
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>>90292948
>the comet episode was meant to convey how Finn current existence is independent of his past lives.
Which is stupid anyway. His simply being alive already conveys this. No need to be so fucking pretentious.
>wow I realized I'm going to live on Earth exactly like I was already doing
whoop de doo
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>>90293225
It was a choice between apotheosis and mortality, it's hardly as trivial as you're making it sound.
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>>90293258
But there was never even slightly a risk he was going to make the other choice. It's too extreme. It's pretty much the definition of pretentious. It's a pretty sounding justification for Finn doing nothing in particular.

The cooler, more difficult thing would be a smaller but real change. Like for example, he could've followed his dad into space and become a space adventurer for X episodes. Then at least we're left with something more than words words words.
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What's the ultimate Finn/Jake episode?
>Rainy Day Daydream
>The Eyes
>Morituri Te Salutamus
>Dad's Dungeon
>Card Wars
>Dungeon Train
>Crossover
>Flute Spell
>Don't Look

or any others that I forgot about.
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>>90293523
>It's pretty much the definition of pretentious

except it absolutely isn't, at all. I'm not going to bother explaining the context of that decision and why it wasn't "trivial" for your benefit; if you don't like "words" you should have dropped the show after the first couple seasons, like most of /co/ probably should have too.
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>>90293523
Not him but I agree. That's Jmoyns for you though.
Read his comic and you'd see that inter-dimensional sentient aspects and philosophical glibglob is basically his thing.
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>>90293661
"Is that you" sticks out in my mind particularly because of Finn's line to Prismo:

“Shut it, Prismo. Heroes risk everything for their friends. Although I admit you’re more Jake’s friend than mine. Sometimes you can think someone is totally cool but you never become besties. Now I don't know why that happens, but regardless let's do this.”
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>>90293661
My Two Favorite People, Memories of Boom Boom Mountain, Video Makers and Morituri te Salutamus for early AT.
Don't Look and Is That You for current AT.
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>>90293684
I like Forming actually. jmoyns is alright when he gets to do his own thing 100%.

Somewhere along the line the new-agey stuff he was adding into AT got to be way too much rather than adding a nice subtle flavor.

The maximum level of jmoynsiness in AT that's still good is like, Sons of Mars?
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>>90294208
a big part of this btw is censorship. jmoyns was lamer when he wrote for AT because he couldn't really do the adult themes that make his personal work powerful. he was trying to dumb down his philosophy for kids, and do it in 11 minute segments with no plot. It didn't have much substance, as a result.
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>>90293661
Ones I'm partial to are Rainy Day Daydream, The Eyes, and Dad's Dungeon.
I've always loved Finn and Jake chemistry but I wish the show could have spiced it up by adding some sort of tension to the relationship, it's very sweet but it's basically been the same the whole show. Adding some animosity there could be awesome but the easiest opportunities for that to happen (Jake's kids, Finn's romantic endeavors, Finn growing up in general) were shafted.

I really like the sparse scenes of the show where Finn and Jake get fed up with each other.
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>>90294539
From this thread it seems a lot of AT's problems partially stem from censorship.
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>>90294622
Censorship and the 11 minute format can be a bitch when you try out more mature things. That being said, CN is better than Nick or Disney and I don't think AT could've gone anywhere else.
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>>90294887
idk. Nick is taking big shots with The Loud House rn . But yeah. CN was the one who opened those barriers -and you can track down it for decades. Nick lost it and Disney never had it.
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>>90211144
You need bug milk, and it's pretty hard to milk a pillow.
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>>90294954
I haven't watched Loud House but what kind of risks is it taking?
The thing with the gay dads?
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on the lam was best
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Holy shit, an AT thread hit bump limit. Nice.
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>>90295754
This thread turned out way better than I expected.
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>>90295754
It was quite cozy.
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>>90295754
>>90296128
There this
>>90244474
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>>90295576
Stuff like this
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>>90259757
The Enchiridion. It's the fucking heroes handbook, gotten at the earliest point of season 1 - and Finn was like "Yeah I used to sit on it when the grass was wet". It seems like they forgot about it up until the end of S4 when they decided they'd better use it or something.
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>>90294208
more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. You Forgot Your Floaties was great.
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>>90296504
While I thought it was really cool how it was turned into the portal to the multiverse it was a pretty big asspull.
Early on it seemed to be just a gag (here's how to kiss a lady you dumb kid) then it turns out to be one of the most important objects in the show's lore? Lol.
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>>90295754
>>90296128
>>90296158
10/10 thread lads would love to do it again next week
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>>90296586
I just wish they'd've used it for something at least once.
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>>90296732
he used it once, in Another Way.

but yeah that's a good one. the thing with the princess gems where they suddenly tried to make the book cosmically important was cringeworthy. you can't make up for years of neglect with one grand gesture. that's the story of AT in general.
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>>90296836
Oh, you know what, he did. My bad.
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>>90296836
I would have been totally alright with it if they implied it's importance at any point before.

Even its use in Another Way was barely anything, it just said where a cyclops was, there's gotta be a billion zoology books or monster manuals in Ooo with that info, shouldn't be in the big book of the universe. Same with the princess kissing stuff (was fine for season 1 but didn't fit with DEEPEST LORE).

Just had to have it have some big, significant info or something earlier on and have Finn and Jake look at it and get bored by all the big words and lack of pictures.
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