"If parents and educators could beam messages into kids'

If animators were good enough and actually met their deadline, they could be working with Disney right now.

>>89983492
what did he mean by this

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>>89983492
>Needing to be clever to be a stand-up comedian

>>89983492
If John K could beam stuff into my head I wouldn't need to wait for Cans Without Labels.

>>89983791
It doesn't seem like we're missing much desu.

>>89983492
I like the episode where Franklin did drugs

John K is a genius.

>>89983492
>"If parents and educators could beam messages into kids' heads telling them to stay in school and not do drugs, we wouldn't have shows like Arthur and Franklin. If toy companies could beam messages into kids' heads telling them to buy the latest doll or action figure, we wouldn't have shows like He-Man and Ninja Turtles.
"If magic existed we could do things differently"
Wow no shit sherlock
> If TV writers were clever enough to be stand-up comedians, they wouldn't need to use shows like the Simpsons and South Park to make fun of society."
This one's just straight up stupid. There's jokes you can do within each framework that don't work in the other.

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>>89983540
oohhh.... boy.

>>89983492

If we could beam messages into people's heads, art in general wouldn't exist in the first place imo.

To everyone taking this LITERALLY:
He's saying, using FIGURATIVE language, that these cartoons are primarily educational and promotional, and only cartoons second.

He wants to make cartoons that are CARTOONS FIRST AND FOREMOST. But he hasn't done that since the original Ren & Stimpy. Arguably The Ripping Friends is a cartoon cartoon, but the pacing is so bad I can't think of it as a cartoon at all, more like an old-timey radio soap opera.

>>89983492
If we could beam messages into peoples heads we could AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

Is the most appropriate cartoon Off the Air? It is remote from all meaning and value. It is often devoid of any interpretabilty. Would this be the best in his eyes?

>>89985782
Cant tell if Manhunter or Prof X

>>89984450
If anything, Arthur would've been even MORE chill and conflict-free if they had been on drugs.

'member Arthur's Big Hit, when DW broke his model plane and he got so pissed off that he decided to go to his room and hit the bong for the rest of the episode, and he immediately chilled out and nobody got hurt in any way whatsoever?

>>89986546
I don't think thats a cartoon, more like a clip show

>>89983492

>"If TV writers were clever enough to be stand-up comedians, they wouldn't need to use shows like the Simpsons and South Park to make fun of society."

Has he heard a fucking stand-up routine before? The spontaneous jokes and fresh humour everyone is lead to believe as the norm from comedians is quite rare. Seinfeld is a mainstream example of how glorified they are when in reality, the humour is dull.

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Oh sweet, a John K thread.

OP, I saw you made a few of these this week. Here are some fucked up John K. quotes we made in a John K hate thread a few years back.

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For the record, these are actual quotes from John K.

I want off this ride.

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>>89988579
The K train has no breaks.

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Oh fuck, I can't get enough of John K throwing shade.

>>89988581
He's right though. Most classic-era Mickey shorts just used him as a placeholder for generic stories like "Guy goes to baseball game" or "Guy goes to get his car repaired".

>>89988534

>GR15 has been removed

HOLY SHIT

>>89988483
Is that drawing supposed to prove him wrong?

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>>89983540
This guy.

If stand-up comedians were funny they wouldn't have to hold their audience socially hostage and get them drunk.

If stand-up comedians were funny they would get picked up by a TV show where audiences can choose when and if they want to watch them rather than drag themselves there to have somewhere to go on a date.

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>>89988713
Getting to some critical levels of WEW LAD here son.

>>89988752

>Cartoons should just be cartoons
>Hates the most cartoony cartoon made

wew

Animaniacs is objectively shit and only nostalgiafags like it.

>"If grandma had a penis, she'd be a grandpa"

>>89988787
What's so special about Time Squad? It just uses the standard 2000s yellow and brown color scheme.

>>89984648
>If magic existed we could do things differently"

This seems to be exactly what he's saying. John K is a talented animator who doesn't know how or why his medium works. He's like John Byrne: he's done some stuff I think is legitimately good, and then has retarded ideas about why it's good.

>>89988752
what is his problem?

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Oh fuck...

ITT: butthurt Adventure Time fans

>>89988483
wtf I hate furry now

>>89988857
And? What, is he a Marxist?

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/co/ on Rebecca Sugar.

>>89983492

If John K. was actually talented, he wouldn't have to go to cons every month and practically beg people to commission him to draw caricatures of Trump, Obama, Hillary, Dubya etc. for $50 a pop.

I don't think he's said anything about TLH yet, but should be interesting.

I'm curious. What's his opinion on Felix the Cat? You know, the very character that made cartoons popular (Mickey Mouse can fuck off) and the reason he has a job.

>>89988602
John fucking wishes he could have at least one zilch of the talent Bluth has

>>89989006
>TLH
The Last Hairbender?

>>89989092
>Don Bluth
>having any talent other than molesting child voice actors and driving their father to murder-suicide out of shame

I've only disagreed with one or two things from his quotes. The man is opinionated (and probably a little creepy from what I heard about his interpersonal life) but I sure do respect his honesty and talent.

>>89989122
t. John K.

>>89989155
At least John groped adult women.

>>89989056
He likes the original Otto Mesmer comics and credits them as the origin of cartoon style.

The cartoons are too many and too varied to come up with a consensus, I suppose.

>>89989122
Leaves Disney and takes several of their best animators with him because the movies they're making aren't up to his standards.

Goes on to make movies exactly like Disney for years to come. The increasingly weird premises start to affect box office so he goes straight up Disney Princess with Anastasia.

Meanwhile the mouse house enters it's second Golden Age and crushes every other animated feature.

You backed the wrong horse, Don!

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>>89988891
I'm sick alright, but not with envy.

Yikes. "Cartoon" culture is home to some of the most weak-minded people known to man. Not even "gamer" culture is this bad. So what, a guy can't have some opinions? Most people in the business respect John enough not to go after every word he says, because like him, they all have their own respective blogs full of their own respective opinions. John has accomplished more not only for himself, but for the entire industry as whole than most people can ever dream of accomplishing. Which brings me to my next point, what the hell have any of you done?

>>89988787
oh, he likes tartakovsky's work?

>>89989966
The backgrounds and colors, yes.

>>89983540
Damn, john will never recover that

>>89989233
I thought this was a dobson tweet from the thumbnail

>>89988473
He's right you know

>>89988692
I get the feeling that the person who put these images together is not necessarily in agreement with John K or not. Personally, I'm reading all of this very passively; I find some of what he says valid, some of it a little ridiculous, but all of it amusing. The dude just has a way of putting things that is fucking hilarious sometimes even if you disagree with it.

tl;dr I don't know.

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>>89988617

>>89988891
He is so fucking thirsty for young animators

>>89983540
#Savage

>>89988473
>we

Looks like a tumblr crusade to me. Probably based on those rumors about sex abuse.

>>89983492
>stand-up comedians are the pinnacle of comedy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3j-yE49gvM

>>89988617
He's right you know.

What's amazing is that all these pics were made by the same guy years ago with a giant hate-on for John K

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>>89988870
He speaks the truth.

>>89983492
What's with this guy's skin? Looks a little off.

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>>89992224
It's called "being old"

>>89988752
>>89992014
This always makes me think of that old mspaint comic where someone added his quotes to a guy planning a mass shooting on the Warner backlot.

>>89988473
totally spies was a pretty good attempt though

>>89983658
being progresive earns you claps but it doesnt get you laughs

>>89988617
these things are completely dishonest because they attach pictures to his quotes even tho he wasnt talking about the shows in those pictures

it must be from tumblr

>>89988752
he is completely right
nobody remembers classic wb cartoons except for batman
and its for a good reason, all those cartoons were written in such a knee jerk way with masturbatory levels of references to popular actors and musicians of the time

>>89988891
yeah, excpet he is talking about the wierd shit she made before working in adventure time like that simpsons quotes comic or the wierd shorts

>>89988651
He sounds like a 90s kid

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>you will never get to work with your personal hero, and be regarded as the torch-bearer of his artistic style

>>89993209
What a stud!

>>89988713
>Shitting on Donald Duck comics

what a pleb

>>89988752
He's 100% right in this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1W-wnh__DM

>>89983540
First reply bantz has been fucking strong on /co lately

>>89988602
Oh yeah, if anyone knows about characters flailing all over the place, it's John K.

>>89983492
I agree, we need parents to sell toys to our kids

>>89983658
Fuck off porky

>>89990180
Ha! Same.

>>89983492

So John think's that he can write?

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Is John K even alive at this point?

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None of you guys understands that John has superior taste above all of you?

>>89983492
>[...]telling them to stay in school and not do drugs[...]
ah yes. because simply telling someone not to do something as always worked

>>89983492
>If John K's work can work anywhere now, he wouldn't complain on the internet.

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He's 1000% right

>>89995656
TMS shill pls leave

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Based John K

"I don't know if modern-day furries even realize it, but this whole movement grew out of Disney fan art from the 1970s. Nerdy kids who loved Lady and the Tramp and Bambi and wished they could draw as well as Disney animators. They took the squirrel-mask face style, drew it poorly and stuck it on top of human proportioned bodies and then had nasty things happen.

Who ever thought this would grow into a full blown cult?

In the last 15 years or so, furry style has in turn influenced mainstream "decent" animation."

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>>89995696
It's almost as if people who respect their craft have standards

>>89995696
No he is not, he is just jelly that TMS did much better then him.

>>89995758
TMS shill pls leave

Also did you notice that according to your very own chart TMS is the third-worst anime studio?

>>89995785
if you'll browse /ic/ you gonna know how many mistakes this pic has

>>89995833
Yeah that pretty much shows that it's WB that's successful, not TMS itself. Plus it doesn't actually say that, it only says they're the third-worst anime studio.

Source your information. The link you gave only says TMS is the third-worst anime studio.

>>89995859
In DVD/BD sales, not quality.

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>>89995906
TMS shill pls leave

Learn what's timing and learn why TMS animation is shit.

>>89985717
I don't think he's that good at making cartoon cartoons that are just for fun, anyway. If John K didn't have so many weird issues, he wouldn't need to make cartoons.

>>89995955
TMS shill learn what's timing and learn why the webm you posted has shitty timing and posing. Timing is a tricky concept so you may never understand why the timing of both videos in your webm is shit. Posing is a little easier and I hope you can see why Tweetie's posing is shit, as well as the poor posing of Sylvester.

OH SHIT THE FUJOS CAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ABANDONED THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>89983658
You don't need to, but the longer you go, at some point you need to be clever in order to keep on going.

At the least if the goal is high level satire.
If it isn't, you get Whomp/Simpsons/Nedroid, which is arguably is superior.

>>89983540
But Disney doesn't have 2D animators anymore.

>>89996083
Anon was alluding to the fact that Disney offered John K a job doing the kind of cartoons he says he wants to do, but nothing came of it. The concept art and character designs are pretty good in the classic Looney Tunes sense, but I can see why Disney didn't want to take a risk.

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>>89993152
>90s kids, who sounded like 80s kids, who sounded like 70s kids, who sounded like 60s kids...

>>89995936
Where can I learn about that stuff?

>>89996351
CalARTS, probably.
Also:
The Animator's Survival Kit (I don't like it but it's very comprehensive)
The Illusion of Life (somewhat outdated and not written too well)

In a nutshell, timing is very important to make things look as if they're moving like physical objects, AND it's very important to make characters act. In this example >>89995936 the mane is not moving in a believable way despite being very meticulously drawn. The timing makes it jerk around unnaturally. Anime is a great example of how not to do timing because most everything moves like it's wading through mud or swimming against the current in a river. In the other example that the mods thoughtfully deleted because it was posted by a ban-evader, you can see why timing is important for acting. Tweetie Bird delivers a line and jerks around spastically without rhyme or reason. This method of acting is used very liberally in TMS episodes of Animaniacs and Tiny Toons. Consequently the characters bounce around a lot but they don't look like they're actually acting or emoting.

Think of a bad actress delivering a line really badly. That's bad timing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3rGh6DUI&t=12m50s
The way that actress delivers the line, "I'll do it darling, I'll do it, but I never wanna see you again, on and off the screen" is as clunky as the way the horse's mane moves. That's bad timing.

>>89996652
Well to be fair on that, we are talking about Television animation, something not exactly renowned for timing. And it's not like the other contractors for TTA and A! were much better in this scenario either (Kennedy, Akom and Freelance being pretty horrible offenders).

I always found TMS to be rather hit and miss- When it hit, it really hit, but when it missed... yeah. I blame part of that on the domestic staff though, as they're usually the ones in charge of timing.

>>89996083
many of the design principles present in 2D animation are applicable to 3D animation, the use of Flash and other digital programs is also useful in modern animation even if disney apparently has no desire for 2D animation.

>>89988581
Are these supposed to be against K? Cuz he has a point. Mickey's just a face for Disney, he doesn't have his own personality

>>89988513
I'm surprised he had something good to say about BTAS.

>>89996910
You want TV animation with good timing, check out Nelvana, DIC, Titmouse, Rough Draft.

The fact that TMS is constantly pushed all over the internet by this nutjob is why I'm giving TMS as a direct example of bad timing. TMS did one great episode for Batman and usually had the least re-takes out of all the outsourced studios, but that doesn't make it a shining example of animation quality.

In fact even its top-end in-house stuff like Lupin suffers from all the timing and posing problems they usually have, although to a lesser extent.

>>89985717
If he's trying to criticize cartoons that aren't purely cartoons then he's doing a bad job. He makes it sound like those cartoons fill a necessary niche.

>>89995612
["Barneyfag" spammer reeeeeing in the background]

>>89997001
Please watch the pre-code shorts and read the Floyd Gottfredson comics, you will thank me later.

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>>89983540
riggidyriggidyREKT, son

>>89989122
>molesting child voice actors
wait what

>>89988726
>socially hostage

They pay to be there you autist

>>89988891
Rebecca's early work is great.

>>89997080
>You want TV animation with good timing, check out Nelvana, DIC, Titmouse, Rough Draft.
Lessee here:
-Nelvana has had shows with shitty timing and/or outsourcing.
- DiC used TMS on a few shows, then there's their downfall during the late 80s throughout the 90s.
- Titmouse is hit and miss as fuck as well.
- Rough Draft's busy shitting out Zombie Simpsons and Steven Universe these days.

>>89995751
>Based
You must be 18+ to post on 4chan

>>89997249
>Rough Draft is FUCKING GRABAGE
I don't remember seeing one (1) complaint about animation throughout 2 seasons of GF here. Were you too good to comment then?

>>89997251
Also be so good as to tell us what studio isn't shit, Mr. Connoisseur (no argument about TMS though)

>>89995696
> confuses 30s rubber-hose style with 40s pear and sphere style

You know who gives a fuck about this? Animators. You know who doesn't give a fuck about this? LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE WHO CAN'T TELL.

There are valid complaints and then there's fucking autism.

>>89997446
If you're asking me, I'll tell you right now. All studios have shitty animation.

Even Spumco.

>>89997251
I didn't say everything they do is gold (unlike TMS shill that insists everything TMS does is pure gold)

I said they have examples of good TV animation, unlike TMS, which fucks up every time, but not bad enough for the production studio to pay for a re-take.

>>89997446
Like I said every studio has their stinkers but every studio is also more or less consistent. TMS is more or less consistently bad, Rough Draft is more or less consistently good.

inb4 GIF of the worst animation Rough Draft ever did

>>89993209
>John K
>Torch Bearer for John Clampet
Clampet could keep deadlines and that is hands down the most important aspect of producing entertainment.

If you can't manage it fuck right off.

Nevermind John's style devolving into something out right hideous to look at.

>>89997729
no, your the Barneyfag, you see.

>>89989704
This desu.

>>89997525
>We don't know anything about the animating process, what do animators know?
>Retarded newfag: the post

>>89997885
>>89997525
You're right, the average person doesn't give a shit.

Gather round children, I'll tell you the story of how this TMS-worship thing started.

People seldom care about the nuances of animation. Back when Tiny Toons and Animaniacs were on the air, they developed their incredibly autistic fandom (you know the one, they had to shut down Tiny Toons because of it). Now, regular people don't notice that these shows are animated by different studios, but these autistic fans did.

The easiest thing to spot is the character design. The bad studios have pretty lazy and flat character design, while the better studios had a better grasp of the '40s style of animation, and TMS was indeed the best in this regard because they followed the model sheets pretty well. So on these fan forums on the internet, they quickly ranked the outsourced production services and often found TMS on top because the character design was the most consistently good. Keep in mind that choosing the best Tiny Toons outsourced animation studio is like choosing the tastiest mothball from grandma's closet.

Anyway the second thing the fans noticed was the number of frames per action, which is also slightly higher for the TMS episodes. So now TMS were two-for-two. This is where these animation fans stopped. Acting? Timing? Posing? Those things don't matter. Character design and number of drawings, that's what makes animation good. Thus the myth that TMS is a good animation studio was born, perpetuated in Usenet FAQ pages and murky internet sites.

This eventually made its way to Toonzone and TVTropes, where misinformation is spread far and wide. It gave us Mr Famicom. And it keeps on giving us people pretending to be Famicom on anonymous imageboards.

>>89998177
That was really enlightening, anon. I used to hang out on TZ and I remember the TMS fanclub quite well. I never knew where it came from though.

>>89995612
So he likes MLP now or what?

>>89998265
>John Kricfalusi liking Barney and Friends
Alzheimers' can do a lot to a poor old man.

Filmation did to John K what Anti-masturbation rules did to David Willis

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>>89998265
There are rumors Lauren Faust hired him as a consultant for the pony show.
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2009/08/mla-doodles.html

I'm honestly shocked John K doesn't have a show on Adult Swim. His edgyness and pervertness would fit right in, and I'm sure they wouldn't give a shit about long delay between episodes.

>>89998465
It'd be nice for him to produce another show just so he can try and prove himself. Allowing others to see if he can walk the talk.

>>89998465
Even adult cartoon writers didn't stand him when they made teh Adult Party cartoon. The worst sin of John is thinking that he does everything by myself and thinking that the only think that he can do can't get old

There was ton of reasons of why Ren and Stimpy is funny that isn't only the animation

>>89983540
JOHN K ON SUICIDE WATCH

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>>89998444
>oh no it's cute

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>>89998735
It's strange that he knows better but still can't help himself. He says that he can't pose for animation, and he praises Carbunkle Cartoons for taking his layouts and improving them with animatable key poses. The way Ren yawns in Big House Blues in particular is amazing, and he points to it as something he'd never be able to do.

And he hired Carbunkle Cartoons for everything in Adult Party Cartoon.

But somehow he forgot his own advice and told them not to stray from his poses in ANYTHING, and animate everything the way he does. The result is the spastic animation of APC.

"If John K supporters could beam money directly into his back, we wouldn't have shows like Cans Without Lab- oh wait we still don't lol"

>>89998735
Ren and Stimpy is overrated, and I say this as someone who actually liked it growing up.

It has a few great episodes, but it also has many boring or overly gross ones, like I'm talking Sanjay and Craig or some other modern Nick cartoon levels of gross.

90s fags have nostalgia for things like Doug, Rugrats, Hey Arnold, or Rocko, which are all from the same era, but you tend to see next to nothing about Ren and Stimpy. Its a product of the reactionary nature of the 90s but its aged like complete dogshit for the most part.

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>>89988651

yeh, I member.

>>89999081
>>89999271
>>89999305
>>89999369
>>89999550
>>89999627
What do you gain from this, anon?

>>89999648
It's a art

>>89998444

why is the pony (I assume a she) lifting her flanks like that mhmm?

>>89999672

show me your horse pussy black boi

>>89999741
Back problems.

>>89998177
>Keep in mind that choosing the best Tiny Toons outsourced animation studio is like choosing the tastiest mothball from grandma's closet.
I don't care what else you say right or wrong, that's great.

>>89998423
Yes but Filmation gave us Star Trek the Animated Series and the latter just gave us a ghost watching Dave beat off.

>>89988557
Based john k , quickdraw is best

>>89989704
John k haters are the most petty out there

>>89989704

Are you new to 4chan?

>>89988854
>talented animator
No he isn't. He's decent at drawing but his actual animation work is terrible.

>>90002437
If you're talking about his recent stuff, yeah. Years ago, though, he was pretty decent. Not one of the "greats" but definitely above average.

>>90002437
But you're wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAwZadzszSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6g8N-KVU8Y
https://vimeo.com/46644711

>>89988557
he is right, Scooby Doo is garbage compared to Huckleberry Hound, Quick Draw McGraw, Yogi Bear or The Flintsones.

>>89988581
again, it's pretty hard to argue with this one. Mickey is Hollow.

>>89988557
>implying Yogi Bear wasn't just an imitation of Art Carney
>implying The Flintstones wasn't just an imitation of The Honeymooners
I can't remember who Huckleberry Hound was based on, but I'll bet real fucking money that he's a shameless imitation of a popular comedian from the time.

>>90002671
looks like shit compared to anime from the same era

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>>90002725
>looks like shit compared to flappy mouths and dance-fighting action sequences

>>89997734
>Clampet could keep deadlines and that is hands down the most important aspect of producing entertainment.
No it ain't.

The last post from an actual poster was 3 fucking hours ago. Why haven't the mods just deleted the thread instead of indulging this guy?

>>89997729
>>90000172
>>90007025
You're not the real Barneyfag stop posing

>>89988787

fucking gear of war has more color than this

>>89988617
>I blame Star Wars
What the fuck
That came out of fucking nowhere, he reminds me of my neighbor, the old fuck complains about shit all day skipping to the next thing to bash with no segway at all.

>>89988581

He ain't wrong. People are actually fans of Goofy or Donald. Nobody gives a fuck about Mickey Mouse beyond just being a symbol for Disney in general.

>>90010809
Just stop.>>90010909

>>90009088
He's pretty damn good in the new shorts. Still an everyman character without a really standout personality but he's actually really funny.

>whuhabbeh

Famicom needs to kill himself and realize that there is no market or demand for a Rugrats/Hamtaro crossover with Angelica and Laura Haruna licking whipped cream off each other's feet.

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>>89995470
>0:34
>Actual fedora tip

>>89997734
>Clampet could keep deadlines and that is hands down the most important aspect of producing entertainment
You're thinking of Freleng, the punck-clock Stanley of Termite Terrace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmkNcMzF4vI

I get WHY John K. gets the respect he does, and don't at all think it's unfounded- but sometimes I just don't know what to do with the guy.

>>89998444
I'd watch John K presents My Little Ass
http://johnkpitch.blogspot.co.nz/2009/08/my-little-ass.html

>>90008902
He's always had a hate boner for Star Wars. Called it Happy Days in space. Refused to draw Ren and Stimpy as Star Wars characters for a fan.

>>90011942
In what possible way is Star Wars like Happy Days?

Is it because it's not a cartoon?

>>89983540
fucking ROASTED

>>89988483
>>89988473

He's absolutely right about both of these.

>>89988752
Sounds like someone has a raging case of the not muhs.

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>>89983492
Nickelodeon was right to fire you, John.

Me and Bob Camp had to pick up the pieces, fix what you broke.

We weren't like you, we know we'd never be you, but we were glad to be rid of you.

>>90012016
Well, other people critical of Star Wars at the time called it "American Graffiti in Space", so it's probably just the 50s/60s-ish-ness of it I guess.

>>90012016
I'm assuming he's only referring to the first one.

Hamills acting was pretty hammy and the low budget scenes on Tattooine are shot fairly flat. John prefers harsh expressionism in his films.

But beyond that I don't know. He connects Star Wars with the downfall of western civilization the way some crank parents blame the Beatles.

>>90012016
No, it's because it's juxtaposes then popular archetypes for teens onto grand space opera. That's why Star Wars felt so relatable and was a bigger hit with the mainstream than almost any previous attempts at large scale fantasy and sci-fi.

Luke's the nerdy kid who signed up for Ag Center but really wants to do ROTC instead. Han's that dropout who who cares way too much about his shitty yet impressive car. He still hangs around school for some reason and he has that weird burnout friend that's way older than him but follows him wherever he goes. Leia's the principled good girl/prom queen that the nerd pines over from afar.

This isn't just pulled from nowhere either. At the time Lucas was most famous for American Graffiti which had a hand in inspiring the Love, American Style episode that ended up becoming Happy Days. It contained what was his best character work to date and carried a lot of stuff over.

John K's hate boner is nonsensical. But I can't say it's because he has a fundamental misunderstanding of what the IP is. He's just has a skewed take on its appeal.

>>89988870
Raw, unfettered jealousy.

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>>89988787
>Invader Zim's color pallet's normal by western standards for the last 35 years

What the fuck? Most cartoons don't use a palette of color so dark consisting of mostly green/purple/red.

Pretty sure it's the exact same opposite in fact, most cartoons decide to go for either an bright color pallete or one more "tame".

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>>89992055
>Animaniacs is a writer's show first

He's saying that like it's bad. Does he not like good writting? I can forgive a mediocre or downright bad animation for a good script, but not the opposite.
You can have the most beautiful animation in the world but if you script isn't worth shit then you're wasting potential. Like pic related.

>>90011198
I was drinking juice when that happen
Now i have to buy a new mouse

>>89988617
>Transformers is Americanized from Japan rather than the other way around.

The toys were originally Japanese. Literally everything about the lore of G1 is American in origin. Transformers was not an anime.

>>89988787
>>90012853

Has anyone ever considered that he's just a giant troll? There comes a point where you really can't criticize people when you haven't done anything worthy of note in years. The only thing anyone remembers about Ren and Stimpy is how crude and low brow it was. If you're just trying to impressive animation critics like yourself 60 years from now, though, John K is doing an excellent job.

>>89989704
>Don't complain if you can't do better!!

nigga how old are you, a criticism doesn't become valid just because the person who made it know his shit.

>>89992055
Says the guy who made THIS abomination
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dShsDp7CSv4

>>90013049
Considering he mentions in the quote that he worked on Transformers(which, whoa, isn't that fun to think about?) I'm sure he's aware of that.

>>90013534
Damn that really is bad.

>>89983540
Burn!

So why does anyone listen to this guy?

I wouldn't say he is any more talented than a lot of the other big names in animation

and he has a lot of opinions that he just spouts, some I agree with some I disagree with and some I don't know enough about to actually have an opinion on myself

but dear god stop talking no one actually cares what you think

>>89988891
>>89991332
>tfw John K went balls deep in Rebecca Sugar

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>>89983540
kek

>>89983540
Absolutely savage

>>89988473

There is truth in this, but it also applies to classic Loony Tunes that he is so fond of aping grotesquely.

>>90014084

>So why does anyone listen to this guy?

His utter lack of diplomacy can give you insights into the industry that you can't find elsewhere. You may not agree with a lot of what he says (I certainly don't), but his opinions were silently held by many in animation until the past decade. Just knowing that kind of thinking was prevalent is somewhat valuable.

>but dear god stop talking

The impetus is not on him to stop talking, but on you to turn away and ignore what he says if you wish.

>>90016913
>turn away and ignore what he says if you wish.

This. John gets a lot of flack for posting his opinions on his own blog. He doesn't go around looking to start fights, he just wants to explain his position on his own platform and he's entitled to that.

>>89989233
Aw, poor Katie.

>>90016961
True

Animators have thin skin and the industry is very insular
Say the wrong thing about the wrong person and you get blacklisted

>>90016961
The problem is that most people he's come across (especially those like Billy West) aren't too keen on how the man works or acts.

I can see where he's coming from in some cases (such as his arguments against Filmation), but in others, he comes off like what they say he's like. Especially when things like animation writers, live action productions like Star Wars or even comic books come into play. The latter two more so, as John's obviously not well-versed in either field.

>>90017519
You're welcome to disagree with his opinions but I don't understand people telling him to shutup on his own blog (especially since he doesn't post there much anymore)

But opinions and actions are different things. I fully sympathize with Billy and people who have had miserable experiences working for him.

>irrelevant old man yells at cloud
Ok?

>>89986546
thats not a cartoon as much as it is a purely ethereal EXPERIENCE

>>90002827
Talking out your ass as usual, I see.

>>90008902
Star Wars was very instrumental in creating hyperdetailed, used-space settings which were extremely popular (and good) but led to over-designing today in Hollywood sci-fi.

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>>89988473
>>89988483
>>89988498
>>89988513
>>89988557
>>89988581
>>89988617
He's completely in the right on all of these the Don Bluth one was a little weird, albeit
quit being a twat and accept that other people have different opinions on what makes art great

>>89998444
>2017
>We're still the Voldemort Show to /co/
kek

>>90018027
But to some people, several of his opinions can get rather personal, be it him insulting an entire medium or even a person. That's when opinions can go from understandable to downright retarded unless you have a good reason to hate it. Him hating things like Anime and Star Wars are just "I hate it because they don't conform to me" with no good reason behind the hate.

Especially since Anime was inspired by American artwork and both are incredibly influential. Doesn't help that John actually did some fanart of Osamu Tezuka's characters at one point.

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>>90013534

It's beautiful that he holds Looney Toons on such a high pedestal, yet when given such a premise in the same vein as it - a simple set-up to something realistic; a beautiful sense of small, but neat touches to really seal the comedy with the music and sound right before the expectation for what's going to happen gets thrown completely out the window (the standard cartoon motif from it; perfected by Chuck Jones) - he over-saturates it with unnecessary bullshit that's about as cluttered as his fucking designs for the characters.

Call his opinions what you'd like, but the man should know to put out work that doesn't make him look like an idiotic hypocrite, or worse: an outright embarrassment compared to the very same things he alienated for being awful, and that's not even getting into how he doesn't understand how animation - especially zealous bullshit like he put out - isn't fucking everything in a goddamn cartoon.

>>89987883
Thank you. That made my morning.

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>>89983492
John K. is cool
you are just butthurt, Kyle...because MagiSwords sucks.

>>90013005
>He's saying that like it's bad. Does he not like good writting? I can forgive a mediocre or downright bad animation for a good script, but not the opposite.
K definitely thinks the opposite. He wants animation that is animation first.

I personally can deal with both poorly animated good writing and poorly written good animation, so long as it knows what it's focusing on. I think my biggest beef with John is that he thinks everything should fit his view of what a cartoon is, and everything else is a waste of time.

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>>89983540
Oh SHIT.

>>89998444
He's been a consultant for a lot of stuff, including Two Stupid Dogs, Cow & Chicken, and Mighty B.

>>90020397
Thing is, I can see where he's coming from... if this were the 1940s or the period between the 1980s-1990s. It's not. It's the 2010s, and while we still can have bad writing and animation, usually it's either or these days.

And besides, When did Johnny even have a show that had good writing?

>>90021307
Can you stop posting that fucking thing? This is like what, the 6th-7th time now?

>>90021557
>the 6th-7th time
That anon has posted this more than just 6 or 7 times, anon. That anon is the reason why this thread hasn't been achieved yet.

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>>90020217

Lost any respect I had for this douche after I stupidly pldged to his Cans Without Labels kickstarter half a decade ago & he still hasnt delivered. How could I have been so stupid

>>89983492
1) Arthur and Franklin are for ages 4-8. I don't know any kids in that age range that are skipping school to do drugs. Maybe this explains a lot about John K.

2) 99% of stand-up comedians aren't clever. Most of the "comedy" comes from the delivery and social cues to laugh when sitting in an audience with other people, even when the comedian is just saying awkward shit instead of jokes. To carefully construct a joke, have it storyboarded, voice acted and animated and deliver it perfectly is a tremendous feat.

>>90020217
John K is not cool. He's not cool in the least. He is a deranged old shithead.

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>>90015009
whats with the headswap?

>>90021633
I was just going by how many times I saw it, sorry.


But yeah that fucker needs to get banned.

>>89988667
that was a pretty awful movie, the crows were the only highlight

>>89989122
i remember a story from one of my animation teachers that don bluth used to degrade the less talented animators to the point of crying before he fired em

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>>89983540

>>89988752

He's right about this. Animaniacs was low-hanging quips and lazy goodfellas references that were animated by Filipinos.

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http://www.somethingawful.com/news/animation-website/2/

>>90032023
Took me until almost the end to realize it was satire, sadly.

>>89988581
The new Mickey shorts actually tried to redeem that quality tho'

>>90002725
You're a moron.

>>89988617
>Evangelion
>Robots

>>89989704
>Which brings me to my next point, what the hell have any of you done?
Oh, so when my food tastes like shit, or the chef is saying the most retarded of things about cooking, I can't call him out on it? Is that what you mean? Because I'm no cook (professional or otherwise), so obviously I cannot possibly criticize the chef.

>>89988752
>John K just straight out calling out the Jews
>Coding it with (((Vaudeville)))
wtf I love john k now?

know what i find crazy these days? more people seem to take up arms against learning and listening to people, there's a crazy amount of people just here in this thread calling John K stupid and retarded. John K has been in the industry of animation since the 70's but yet if something he says seems off the cuff or you don't agree with it then its automatically 100% horseshit. When engineers that have worked for 40+ years walk on my job site, i don't run up to them and tell them all their ideas about everything are stupid and retarded, there's even one older Norwegian guy that hates black people but i don't discredit everything he says because i don't agree with his one view, when ive been working with my degree for 40 odd years, then i will bitch people out for things I dont agree with but until then, goddamn learn from your elders to make yourself better

>>90024333
He took the money and used it to pay for back surgery.

>>90036755
Except he's repeatedly demonstrated that his ideas are buttfucking retarded, unless someone is there to hold his hand.

>>90021557
>And besides, When did Johnny even have a show that had good writing?

He thinks writing is the ruin of animation.

>>90018853
wow you sure showed him

>>89988498
Off course John K is going to hate on Filmation, the studio that actually respected its artists

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>keep seeing thread on catalog thinking there's a new post
>it's always this fucking dude

I know I'm not supposed to acknowledge him but holy fucking shit

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/89983492/#90038816

So many deleted posts.

>>89988602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw9s9nkuE30

>>89989704

I can draw better than John K. at this point.

That's not me bragging...

But what really annoys me about John K. is that he's a narrow minded bigot who literally can't comprehend why anyone would do or want anything different from himself, while his own product has just gone in the trash in the past 20 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB03kM8kbHs

He's a loser, a has-been. He sucks. And he's nothing without the team he had in the early 90s.

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>>89983540
Hot damn

>>90043435
post your work

>>90043574
Yes, it's the old chef fallacy.

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>>90043574

>>90043435
>He's a loser, a has-been. He sucks. And he's nothing without the team he had in the early 90s.
And he also never did get to fuck Katie Rice. :^)

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He's just so... mediocre now.

http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2016-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2017-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=1

>>90043639
Pretty cool, anon

>>90043626
How is this the chef fallacy? Anon said that they could do better in the first sentence of their post before they called current John K trash. It's fair game for people to ask to see what the anon can do then.

>>90043823

Thank you, anon.

I haven't achieved as much as Kricsfalusi has, but I'm sure I've flushed fewer opportunities down the toilet.

Hopefully I'll be starting a new job creating character and environment designs for a cartoon pilot next week. We'll see how that goes.

>>90043990
I wish you good luck in your future work, anon.

>>90045150
How long do you plan on keeping this thread alive?

>>90043740
I think some of the problem is that John's art style doesn't translate well to Flash/digital animation.

>>89996083
They have a few, like Eric Goldberg, who do useless but impressive pencil tests for CGI films.

John K isn't on that level though.

Pretentious rhetoric from a bitter old man.

>>90045420
Then he should draw on paper.

>>90045229
As much as possible

>>90020104
Jeezus, you must know nothing about UPA or any of John's other influences. The man is always experimenting, and whether or not you enjoy any given experimentation is fine, but to imply that it isn't based on a groundwork of knowledge and a general foundation of structure is just straight up lying. It's like Bob Clampett meets Milt Gross meets Harvey Kurtzman meets Acid. You can hate it, but you can do it without resorting to conjecture.

>>90043740
so you're criticizing the man's doodles now? that's pretty damn good for a pen drawing, nice economy of line (minus the hair, which is messy due to fill)

>>89987883
Yes.

>>90049269

I haven't see a good drawing out of the man in over ten years. His sketches used to be pretty nice, but no longer.

>>89989092
That is what it reads as. Shame that john is so insecure

>>90049242

This here is the biggest contradiction of John K and why he is such a conundrum to everyone else: He's an auteur who thinks he's mainstream, working in what is largely a commercial art field. He thinks the tail should wag the dog. He thinks the public taste should chase after him, even though his views on animation are regressive. This is why he is simultaneously informative and completely out of touch.

If he had the fortitude and work ethic of a Bill Plympton or the integrity and do-it-yourself attitude of a Don Hertzfeldt, he wouldn't get nearly this much hate.

>>90037767
Which is funny because most of those cartoons he heralds would have had to been written. Especially for the actors in order to read their lines.

Fuck, even the most basic cartoons out there (like the Road Runner or Tom & Jerry) still need some form of storyline and plot structure going on. Even if it is a repetitive "predator fails to capture prey in slapstick fashion" formula. And it became more prevalent by the time shows like Yogi Bear and Flintstones came about.

>>90038816
He hates them more for how they animate than the animators themselves. And it's not hard to see why- Animation costs money, H-B knew that to make it cheaper for (kinda-sorta) similar quality, they had to outsource to Asia and Australia (while keeping things like Layouts domestic). And Filmation was putting out crappy looking (note the "looking" part) for more than $250,000 (if not higher) per episode by the end of the 70s.

I understand where Scheimer's coming from by respecting his animators (though even he wasn't above taking a swipe at John in his autobiography). But times were changing, keeping everything in-house wasn't exactly cutting it anymore, and say what you want, but H-B had a better grasp at utilizing limited animation than Filmation ever could (comparing trash to shit I know, but you get the idea).

>>90050791
>1000 screencaps of this in a folder

>>90050103
"I remember hearing how Bill Watterson attended a comic convention and announced beforehand that he would not take any interviews or sign any autographs. I never understood this. Like it or not, this is a commercial industry we're in, and it carries certain obligations. If you want to be a serious artist, take up painting or something."

-- Charles Schulz

>>90049242
Wasn't UPA a studio run by literal communists?

>>90051166
True. Watterson is another auteur with regressive artistic ideas who never could come to grips with the industry he was in.

>>89988651
>That time John trolled TMZ with Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarfs

>>90050920
He is not referring to writers as "a person whom writes jokes or the plot" he is referring specifically to dedicated scriptwriters. Much, if not all, of the writing would have been handled by the storyboarders. However his narrow definition of what a cartoon should be blinds him to the fact that while this boarder-driven storytelling works well for shorts and episodic comedies for any serialized work you are going to need dedicated writers.

APC was ass anyway. Aside from the animation, the voice acting was mediocre. The new Stimpy was told by John to purposely not sound like Billy West (how butthurt can you be?) and Ren also sounded weird, either because John was out of practice or his voice dropped in pitch as he got older or both.

>>89983492
Is this the poster boy for autism?

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>>90051503
No

>>90051503
>>90051518
You're both wrong.

>>90052112
This retard is the most autistic motherfucker any of us have ever or will ever see.

>>90011198
>Fedora
We've tentatively called this subject 'Patient Zero'.

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>>90043990
>>90043639

you're living my dream anon, proud of you. Make something /co/ can be proud of.

>>90052631
Who the hell keeps letting this dumbass in?

>>90051479
Is there really a difference in John's eyes?

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>>89983540

>>90053111
>>90054085
>>90055518
>>90056552

You do know that people know where you live, right?

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>John K thread
>I missed all the action already

JUST

>>89998444
IIRC he was brought in only once or twice to lecture the animators on making the shapes of the characters look and move like marshmallows.

>>89983540

IT'S OVER, JOHN

>>89988473
i still would have watched totally spies if it were weebshit


and jerked to it even more

>>89996083
Don't they have a 2D Mickey Mouse show that's actually worked on by someone who worked with John K before?

>>89998465
I'm sure it's his attitude that makes it a pain for him to get a job these days rather than deadlines. There's tons of outlets where he could easily land a gig that isn't as harsh about deadlines as regular television but that's not going to matter if you piss everyone off.

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>>90002725
This. Too bad anime went to total shit.

>>90051335
He wanted it to be about the art, not the artist.

>>89983540
Damn...

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>>89988651
Crossdressing in cartoons aren't taboo

>>89997160
Judith Barsi, who voice acted in All Dogs Go To Heaven and The Land Before Time.
Her Dad was one sick fuck who physically abused and eventually ended up killing her and her Mom, but I don't think he molested her.
Also I don't think Don had anything connection to it.

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>>89983540
Put me in the card to John K

>>89988870
Probably narcissism, like the actual mental illness

>>89995612
He looks like an old lesbian

>>90061093
They are now, at least in cartoons that aren't SU. Can't have a guy dress as a woman in a cartoon now without everyone screaming "TRANSPHOBIA!"

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>>89989704
you know how I know you're not from around here?

>>90060725 the moe nation invaded
brought this country down, with no survivors
damned shame, used to love shit like Space Adventure Cobra too.
The worst offenders aren't the moe shit now though, but the moe HORROR shit.
Everyone in Blood C, Another, and Elfen Weeb are fucking literal bloodbags with no bones inside.
None of the incredible detail anymore like you got with Dark City, Wicked City, Cyber City Oedo 808, 8Man/8Man After The Guyver, Genocyber, Angel Cop, etc.
Yea, not all those are GOOD storywise but the animation quality/detailing was completely off the chain.
Also one series that's good to see the comparison between modern non-moe and classic anime: Area 88. The hand-animated planes fall apart so much more realistically.
Toshiyasu Okada must be a top-tier autist because it felt like on the closeups he was drawing every nut and bolt that got shot out. It was the same level of wild detail for vehicles as you got people getting pulled apart in Go Nagai and Yoshiki Takaya's shit.
oh and we need Satoshi Urushihara and Johji Manabe to return so we can boost the sagging (hurr) quality of our lewds.

>>90051335
>>90060798
John K is more like the angry expressionists while Watterson is a normal 'tortured soul' Surrealist/Cubist

>>90050920
Filmation was always kinda weird to me, it's like they got movie quality backgrounds to put paper dolls over. Well DRAWN paper dolls (especially towards the end post-She-Ra) but rigid paper dolls nonetheless.
I feel like they were a studio that had a lot of talent but no real guidance on how to utilise it best.

>>89983540
Nice try. Billy, but I can see you are just mad because I went down in history as one of the most influential animators and artists of all time, all while you went down as one of the most mediocre and slimy voice "actors" of all time.

We did not want you for Adult Party Cartoon, and we will not be needing you in the future, thank you.

Ah, here we go. I remembered the name of what it was called.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi0dqcR-Otk This is like John K's literal predecessors right here.


Also some decent animu for the children in the audience, xcuz the dubbing the sub clips got content ID'd again goddammit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTAeJX7qSXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVH7cezsFAE
also it's kinda funny how John Woo-ish it is with all the different angle shots.
These planes do more 'dancing' in their destruction than most actual mechs do.

>>90062034
>Filmation was always kinda weird to me, it's like they got movie quality backgrounds to put paper dolls over. Well DRAWN paper dolls (especially towards the end post-She-Ra) but rigid paper dolls nonetheless.
>I feel like they were a studio that had a lot of talent but no real guidance on how to utilise it best.

That's how I always see it. You can see they were trying at times. But outside of rotoscoping, they almost never reached past the quality of "moving hand-drawn/painted action figures around" 90% of their existence. And their rigid adherence to remaining on model was a curse as not only did it look cheaper than intended, but stifled any chance they could come up with decent animation.

Which is a shame, as again, when they were able to cut loose, while it wasn't Disney quality, there was some effort going on. But end of the day, it's one of the (few) things I can agree with John on.

>>90064045
How long do you think you can keep this up, pardner?

>>90064147
Don't respond to him, just report and ignore

>>90064045
>>90064332
ooooh so that's what all those greens are about

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>>89983540

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Anyone have any rare Johns?

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>>89992263
Sometimes "Tonight... I make the screams stop." just pops in my head and makes me laugh out loud.

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>>89983540
hot diggity damn son calm down

>>89998177
>Back when Tiny Toons and Animaniacs were on the air, they developed their incredibly autistic fandom (you know the one, they had to shut down Tiny Toons because of it

Kek. Dennis Falk. And he's STILL not over Tiny Toons.

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>>89983540
John K is a wanker and should be made fun of

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>>90066728
Someday a real rain will come and wash this furry scum off the streets.

http://unpromisedone.blogspot.com/2012/11/meet-dennis-quozl-falk-man-who-got-tiny.html

>>89999217
He started thinking too highly of himself, and got autistically obsessed with his RETARDED theories, and he has to scan every drawing he makes to make sure it follows those theories 100%.

He looks at Rod Scribner, and thinks that literally every frame in animation has to be a key, with no inbetweens. Even though Scribner used plenty of straight inbetweens because you fucking have to.

>>90032023
I never understood how 18 year old girls found John attractive

I mean, even IF you found him physically attractive, you would eventually have deal with his ugly personality

/co/'s own Phil Fish

>>90043639
looks like something out of an adventure game

p. good

>>89983658
This, just steal material and you're good to go

>>89990181
>avatar
>wakfu
>bad

Get the fuck outta here

>>89997223
>>89993111
The only way to really keep her old drawing style while transitioning it into full animation is to basically hermit yourself up like John K and spend years working on 30 seconds of animation. Some styles just aren't appropriate for traditional animation. It's why there'll never be a proper anime for Berserk; way too much detail to fluidly and faithfully animate without spending Thief and the Cobbler levels of attention to it.

>>90002827
But those are both boring low budget tv anime.

When people talk about anime when talking about god-tier animation, they're talking about 80s/90s OVA stuff, where they could take literal years between episodes to work on the quality.

I wish John K would just become an animation professor.

Like, his history, technique, and knowledge are sorely needed, but he needs to sit people down and lecture them over a lengthy amount of time for it to not all come out making him sound like a self-important nostalgia fag. He's like the history teacher who tells you your country has always been shit or the journalism professor who tells you that the whole thing's a scam because people don't want the truth; they just want to be entertained and told they're right. He's pissing you off so you can actually think critically about things.

>>90070917
Hadn't you ever seen Seth's early Family Guy sketches? The character designs are considerably more detailed than how they look on the show.

>worship Ralph Bakshi when he did a ton of the very things John hates such as rotoscoping

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>>90069835
Thanks!

>>90071771
Fuck off Lee