>a single episode of Family Guy has the same budget as a full

>>89945207
A AAA seiyuu in Japan also costs an exorbitant amount of money.

>>89945207

>anime is dying, literally nobody watches it past the age of twelve and literally the only normie conversation I've ever heard was about old DBZ

>FG is thriving with season after season of highly rated episodes, every adult in the office (actual contributes who matter, unlike NEETS) discuss the humor and compare jokes all the following day

Literally what?

>>89945207
No the problem is lazy burgers and there shit work ethic

>>89945515
lol even obsessive anime nerds agree modern cartoons are better than modern anime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ie77Qc2w_I

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>>89945207
>saying 'westerners' to other people as if you are part of the Japanese race and not a NEET neckbeard weaboo from a middle class American suburb

>>89945207
No one cares about your chinese cartoons, go back to your board.
>>>/a/

>>89945515
>>FG is thriving with season after season of highly rated episodes
it is, I thought Everyshow that doesn't have away to make money online is tanking due to pirates.

>>89945515
All it took was getting canceled twice before actually doing well :^)

Goes to show you, if you shove garbage down people's throat enough they will start to enjoy it.

>>89945515
>anime industry caring about gaijin
>implying respectable adults watch Family Guy
you're embarrassing yourself

It's not really the VA costs. The entire production crew gets paid better than in Japan because of labor laws.

>>89945207
fuck off, weeb

>>89945207
>Cartoons
>Some random canadian show with no budget, no writing and no dignity has 48 seasons

>Animes
>season 2 never

>>89945207
>Westerners the thing killing your shows is your unjustifiably exorbitant VA costs

There are three tiers of VAs in America.

>LA Union
The highest tier. LA Union VAs get paid insane amounts of money but strike anyway if kept in the recording booth for more than 2 hours. They're almost Hollywood celeb status in what they make (Simpsons VAs, the max end of the spectrum, earned more than most Hollywood celebs). Considered the best quality VAs but cost an arm and a leg.

>Canadian Union
Cheaper because they don't get royalties even for prelay (LA Unions actors do, which is part of their insane cost). Generally good VAs, but the pool is so small (particularly the Vancouver crew) that you will hear the same ten or eleven actors in absolutely everything, over and over and over again. They have range, but you'll get sick of them quickly.

>Non-Union VAs from New York/Texas
Absolute bottom of the barrel cheapest resort. Primarily work in anime dubbing because there are no royalties for overlay work (since it is considered a part of translation and not "creative). You get what you pay for. Many of them weren't even actors when hired (the Funi cast when they took over DBZ from Ocean) and it shows. Few graduate to the LA Unions because they never improve no matter how many years of practice they get. They are only hired because they are the cheapest possible option outside of just having the writers and artists do the fucking voices.

So those are our VA options in America. It's either pay out the ass for good VA work, or go non-union and get heinous shit.

>>89945207
Executive producers are a bigger drain on budgets than VAs.

>>89945576
They're too busy actually having significant others and children.

>>89945756
>implying respectable adults watch anime

>>89946046

But if you do anime voices, you can easily become a household name.

>>89946046
>>LA UnionThe highest tier.
> LA Union VAs get paid insane amounts of money but strike anyway if kept in the recording booth for more than 2 hours. They're almost Hollywood celeb status in what they make (Simpsons VAs, the max end of the spectrum, earned more than most Hollywood celebs). Considered the best quality VAs but cost an arm and a leg.

They also negotiated for mandatory pay raises every 2 seasons, which is why so many cartoons end at season 2. Unless it is a merchandising/ad revenue machine, the shows don't justify the increased VA costs past a second season and end.

So we can thank the bottomless greed of the LA voice actors for that, too.

If it means we wont get the obnoxious female VAs animus have then I'd say it's worth it.

>>89946094
And what about the ones who don't get famous and have to find a way to live off unfair compensation?

>>89946046
What tier are the American VAs you see everywhere, like Kevin Michael Richardson, John DiMaggio, or Grey DeLisle?

>seiyuu (as well as practically everyone else working on the anime) are worked like dogs for garbage pay in the desperate hope that they'll be picked up and given a livable salary for work in TV or a really popular anime
>WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE ELSE DO IT LIKE THIS? FUCKING KEKS

Hedonist Libertarians are the cancer killing society.

>>89945207
Then what is it that's killing anime? That's in a far more dire state of decline than western cartoons. Unless you like moeshit, I guess.

>>89945207
one episode of family guy cost WAY more than that.

>>89946128
>What tier are the American VAs you see everywhere, like Kevin Michael Richardson, John DiMaggio, or Grey DeLisle?

LA union.

Canadian union are guys like Scott McNeil and Gary Chalk.

Non-union are guys like Sean Schemmel and Veronica Taylor.

There is some fluidity. If you have dual US?Canadian citizenship, you can belong to both the LA and Canadian unions (but you have to get a lot of work to justify it since the dues are insane). Tara Strong, Cree Summer, Maurice LaMarche and Ian Corlett have worked for the LA and Canadians unions simultaneously.

Very rarely, non-union VAs will be able to transition to the LA unions if they're good enough. Sam Riegel, Michael Sinterniklaas and Mike Pollock all managed to move from non-union work in NY to Union work in LA.

>>89946046

These VA faction splits in North America are also what prevents a lot of talent crossover.

It's why we couldn't get the original 80s TMNT actors in the Turtles Forever movie, because they were union and the 2003 cast were non-union, so they were forbidden from working together. Also why we won't hear any 2003 actors in the 2012 cartoon if they ever decided to crossover. 2012 is union.

Scott McNeil had to go uncredited in Full Metal Alchemist because that dub was non-union and he belongs to the Canadian unions, so he got paid under the table for that gig. A lot of LA union actors had to use fake names in the 80s to do non union dub work (Cam Clarke went by several aliases at the time).

Our warring VA factions cause a lot of drama and trouble throughout the animation industry.

>>89945515
>anime is dying
In what dimension??? Anime is more popular than ever.

>>89946046
>but strike anyway if kept in the recording booth for more than 2 hours.

I think the only time the LA voice actors unions went on strike regarding recording length was in the late 80s. It used to be max 8 hours and they negotiated it down to 6 hours.

But yeah, a lot of VAs refuse to stay the full length they're contracted for and will finish their sessions as quickly as possible. They often schedule 3 or 4 sessions a day because the more shows they record for the more money they make. Also a reason why so many of the most prominent VAs sound like they're phoning it in. They rarely have any understanding or passion for the characters they're portraying and just want to get in, out and on to the next gig in as few takes as possible.

>>89946351
show proof

>>89945207

voice actors for shows like family guy and simpsons are the exception. i think that maybe you know this and you're just pretending otherwise for the (you)s.

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>>89945207
>I actually agree with bait

>>89946258
What about Steve Blum? He's credited with does lots of anime and western voices simultaneously.

Meat?

>>89945274
Most of them have talent, unlike most of american voice actors

>>89945749

The show came back twice for popular demand.

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>>89945207
>You know what grinds my gears?

WEEBS!

They seem to think anything from the land of the rising pepperoni is good.

When in reality, 90% of the stuff that comes from there is shitty waifu-bait, shitty loli-bait, fan service shit that has no substance and/or just plain shit.

>>89950341
Too bad twice it did so abysmally on air that they couldn't justify renewing it :^).

>>89950080
>90% of girl voices are squeaky voices

>90% of boy voices are bland generic voices

>talent

Keep telling yourself that.

>>89945207
And people in the anime industry are treated like slaves.

>>89950080
Literally every female jap va sounds the same

>>89945207
It's the other way around. It doesn't cost a lot to make, but it makes a lot of money and has a lot of viewers so they get payed more. Same reason why professional athletes get payed so much.

>>89950484
http://ww1.gogoanime.io/hunter-x-hunter-2011-episode-116

14:55 and onwards is a female VA and still one of the best VA performances I've seen in general.

>>89945207
Lol craptlism

>>89951571
jesus christ that sounds annoying

how anyone can listen to Japanese """"""""""acting"""""""""" is beyond me

At least most western cartoons can get a second season.

>>89951915
I find Mel Blanc's voice incredibly annoying (despite his enormous talent) but to each their own.

>>89951915
Same.
It's all just ear-grating. Can't listen to it for a full minute.

>>89946327
>Scott was in FMA

What as? He was amazing as Duo in Gundam Wing

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>>89946046

You know not every non union VA is bad. Hell there are some fine talents at Funimation and in New York.

That said Vancouver VA's are my favourites.

>>89946327
So if you like only one voice from one union you're stuck with the whole?
What if you wanted to cast some one from another becaise you think the voice could fit to another character?
That union drama is just idiotic

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>>89952250

This guy.

But only in the original anime dub.

>>89952611
>So if you like only one voice from one union you're stuck with the whole?

For the most part.

>What if you wanted to cast some one from another becaise you think the voice could fit to another character?

If you want crossover between LA and Canada, it has to be a VA who belongs to both unions.

If you want crossover between non-union and the LA unions, the non-union VA has to either join the union or the LA union VA has to work under an alias for the non-union production.

Shit sux, yo.

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>Anime is a weak medium, only way that staff can make money off the show is by shilling it via multimedia. Shit like jojo's, love live, swordarts online and madoka magica only watched by autistic manchildren and tweens. Most anime run for a season of 10-26 episodes and never return again, forgotten after two months
>f/a/ggots somehow like the moe art style but shit on calarts

>Family G is a phenomenon that has won a shit ton of awards and more, discussed by everyone (even people who fucking hate it) and is the most viewed show on FOX. Nearly 20 years of runtime and about 16 seasons, airs on multiple channels
>/co/mrades not only dislike moetrash, but calarts, can differentiate good from bad
>even though modern /co/ that is shit can be good at least once due to how many episodes they have, meanwhile modern /a/nime is undoubtedly shit with pandering cute girls and degrassi nextgen-tier drama towards the end
Why are ret/a/rds so delusion/a/l?

>>89946590
Crunchyroll commercials on actual television
Anime games getting western releases

what union are the South Park voice actors

>>89950434
>>89950484
You realize of course that this is because those are the same damn people right? 90% of blonde anime heroes sound the same in america too because they're all voiced by either JYB or Vic Lasagna