Was Homestuck Act 5 a mistake? Are people still butthurt

Act five was pretty great. 5-2 much more so than 5-1 but it was still plenty enjoyable.

>>89888234
Act 5 introduced the Trolls.

>>89888144

Act 5 was fine. Even Act 6 started off exciting and intriguing; it was the execution which was completely fucked-up, with year-long breaks and the meandering plot and lack of focus on the threads and characters that we'd been given reason to care about up to that point.

People say the trolls ruined Homestuck but honestly with all of the four Beta kids getting along so well, having an external group of peers who introduced friction and conflict was a great idea and mostly well-implemented. Things only crashed and burned later once Hussie lost his focus during the whole Kickstarter fiasco.

>>89888144
Homecuck was a mistake in general and its community is brony-tier

>>89888697

That doesn't really strike me as a meaningfully informed response to OP's question.

I'll say this about Karkat: He started off strong and got more and more interesting as the story progressed. Why DID a genetically engineered character like him have this unheard-of mutantcy built into his DNA? What WAS the blood aspect all about? What about these missing 'limebloods' which occupied the place in the hemospectrum which one would expect a troll with the 'cancer' symbol to occupy? What was up with the seeming connection he had with the cherubs, Calliope and Caliborn? One with Karkat's red blood colour and the other with the lime-green blood colour he should have had? Pretty intriguing! And then we learn they're two beings occupying one body. Does that hold any relevance to the mysteries of his origins and biology?

And then the story ended without addressing any of these questions whatsoever. In fact, the last time Karkat ever got to say or do anything relevant to the plot was when he shooshed Gamzee in act 5. Beyond that, the story literally would not have changed one iota if he hadn't been there at all.

I think Hussie had big plans for him which he spent the better part of a year weaving into the plot and then just said "Fuck it" and abandoned them all before resolving any of them. That was the greatest crime both of the comic and with respect to this character.

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I don't think the trolls were a mistake but the fanbase it brought in definitely was. I know a lot of people felt Karkat could be best described as "wasted potential: the character" by the end of the comic (along with many other characters of course), but I'm not really sure if Hussie actually wanted to do anything with him in the first place considering his love for subverting readers' expectations and whatever.

>>89888791
Don't forget about Calliope having the Cancer symbol on her sleeves, or how Karkat's typing color is placed exactly between Calliope's and Caliborn's respective shades of gray.

>>89888856

I felt my case had already been made without going into every little bit of minutia, but you're very correct; Hussie had loaded up the story with the shiniest, most ostentatiously gleaming Chekhov's Gun imaginable and had it flaunted about before our faces capriciously for a year or so, finger gracefully and lovingly stroking the trigger as it was pointed this way and that. And then in the final act of the drama, the gun was placed in a drawer with nary a word said about it ever again, and expected us to find this conclusion satisfying.

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Who fucking cares a8out this cuck!

Here is the 8est character right there!

>>89888791
>In fact, the last time Karkat ever got to say or do anything relevant to the plot was when he shooshed Gamzee in act 5. Beyond that, the story literally would not have changed one iota if he hadn't been there at all.
Joke's on you. That part got retconned and it never happened.

>>89888944

Huh. I never thought about it, but I think you're right, didn't it? Vriska subdued him somehow or other in the retcon.

So where does that push Karkat's last act of plot-relevance to? Ordering Equius to kill Gamzee and thus getting him and Nepeta killed?

>>89888791
>and then just said "Fuck it" and abandoned them all before resolving any of them

I hate that the comic makes me feel this way. I can't decide whether Hussie did just give up and rush the ending or he had all these character arcs planned in advance

>>89889014

It's obvious he had SOME stuff planned in advance. Apparently the Act 7 animation was completed years ahead of time, so he knew in broad terms who would be where and doing what, though the absence of any of the sprites from that scene suggests that they were late additions to the plot, after the animation was completed.

Aside from that, who knows. The ending of act 6 was such a clusterfuck, suddenly introducing us to these alt-timeline versions of characters who we'd spent five years following and emotionally investing in before they were so suddenly killed off.

To me the most insulting thing aside from Karkat is Jasprose. Not because I mind the character, but because she was THE Rose we spent half a decade following the story of. She was the one we cared about and were invested in. Then this other Rose suddenly appears, and shoves the still-living Sprite of the one we actually gave a shit about out of the spotlight. It was this Rose who got the "Thanks for Playing" scene with Kanaya rather than the Rose we'd spent the past five years with. Who even cares about this doppelganger compared to the one we'd spent so much time with? Why was this supposed to be emotionally satisfying to us?

>>89888791
Hussie basically dropped Karkat's plotline with Karezi. I don't think he had any idea where he was taking Karkat in the first place though.
Also holy fucking SHIT people are flipping out over there being a JohnRose shirt in the WLF store.

>>89889117
>Also holy fucking SHIT people are flipping out over there being a JohnRose shirt in the WLF store.

I think it's telling that that's more controversial in a selection devoted to romantic shipping than one with Jade and Rose together - who spoke like.. two or three times from the start of the comic to the end... or for that matter a Rose/Roxy shirt, which one might think suggests an even greater taboo.

>>89888144
i like Karkat
i hate his "arc" if you could call it that

>>89889142
Lesbian shippers are fucking crazy, even moreso than yaoi shippers. You wouldn't believe the warehouse 13 shitstorm when it ended.

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Karkat fulfilled his role when he managed to corral the 11 other trolls into a good enough state that their Sgrub was beatable.

After that, forces larger than Sburb were at work and he was no longer relevant, passing on his cancer-baton to the next group of children who then became important in the next leg of the plot.

epilogue John right now is basically post-sgrub karkat. Irrelevant but still existing.

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>>89888558

Technically the Intermission introduced the trolls.

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>>89889145
Do you hate karkat because his arc was unfulfilling, or did you always hate him?

Because I feel like whenever someone says they hate a homestuck character, it's because the character didn't end up like their headcanon versions.

>>89889160
the intermission was the best part of homestuck and the last good part of homestuck

>>89889173
i always liked Karkat, but his arc was both unfulfilling, disappointing, and mostly dropped
He never got over, or got with Terezi himself
His relationship with Slick or Gamzee ever came up again
Being gay with Dave came out of nowhere
He might as well have died before the end because he didn't belong there

>>89888963
>Karkat's last act of plot-relevance
Being Dave's girlfriend.
Being involved with the retarded Davekat vs Davejade fandom war.

>>89889235
>Being gay with Dave came out of nowhere

And went nowhere.

>>89889142
It's less controversy, more crazies being crazies. But like, them threatening to kill JohnRose shippers and set them on fire if they buy those shirts kind of crazy.

>>89888919
For better or worse, she at least got shit started and got shit done. She made things get interesting even though a lot of the bullshit was directly/indirectly her fault.

>>89889173
I personally dislike dead weight characters. Anything at all at least would have been better than what he did in the latter half of the story. Unless I've completely forgotten something significant he did.

>>89889142
>or for that matter a Rose/Roxy shirt, which one might think suggests an even greater taboo.
you're forgetting the audience, here.
For them there is nothing more eye-gougingly offensive then a male/female (who are also not-related by blood) relationship.

>>89889286
They do realize that a male/female relationship is why they exist, right

>>89889270
>For better or worse, she at least got shit started and got shit done. She made things get interesting even though a lot of the bullshit was directly/indirectly her fault.
aside it being her fault that Jack got made (a total jobber in the end) she stopped doing anything directly for the plot
She ended any interesting arcs characters needed, with instead of them growing, it turns out they only needed her

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>>89889305
Either they're aware of that and absolutely resentful of the fact or cognitive dissonance has set in hard and they think they're the product of immaculate conception or spawning from a locker room floor.

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>>89889311
Anon, you are talking about plot device Vriska.

The real Vriska became a fart and only exists to cuck Karezi shippers.

>>89889379
Wrong Terezi

>>89889379
The fact that Vriska/Terezi was red in that situation after an unambiguous black relationship was a dumb thing.

>>89889247

Yeah, but that was wholly irrelevant to the plot. It neither added anything nor served any purpose. I'm talking about the last time he did something which mattered to the actually relevant events of the story. That's like saying that it was relevant to the plot when John changed clothes for the second time. It was all just window dressing.

>>89889247
He wasn't even Dave's girlfriend at the end. he was absolutely nothing. Hussie refused to talk about it and basically dropped it.
I mean, I don't blame him, but still.

>>89889117
>Also holy fucking SHIT people are flipping out over there being a JohnRose shirt in the WLF store.

Good, let them. They can smell their deaths, and the sound they'll make rattling their cages will serve as a warning to the rest.

All of Homestuck was a mistake.

>>89889495
Humiliating himself in front of the ghost army? (And then we later find out in a book commentary how Hussie was trying to show us that Blood is inspiring people to fight)

>>89888144
Yes indeed, Homestuck was a mistake.

audience pandering ruined it more than anything

>>89890009
>(And then we later find out in a book commentary how Hussie was trying to show us that Blood is inspiring people to fight)
Hm, where?
I mean, they kinda say that in the comic too, but did Hussie really say something outside of Homestuck?

>>89889117
>Also holy fucking SHIT people are flipping out over there being a JohnRose shirt in the WLF store.
Where's the controversy? I mean, duh, it's on tumblr, but do you have a link? I don't know how to use that website.

>>89890283
I'd post screens, but the janitor gets mad at stuff like that. Because the janitor is a fucking idiot.

So can we bet on Hussie finishing up that game, and then taking maybe 2 or 3 years off, and then coming up with a brand new comic?

>>89890213
I forgot to mention if Hussie ever released an Act 6 Book and that he needs to point it out to us.

>>89890390
Just do it.

The Janitor even ignored this thread.

>>89889399
>Terezi
Was she a character at all

I stopped giving a shit about her when Hussie hinted Karezi

>>89890874
How do you relate with a cardboard cutout who is featured as "boring lesbians" on the first result in google image search?

>>89888144
>Was Homestuck Act 5 a mistake?
Yes
>Are people still butthurt about this character?
I don't know but Trolls are objectively what killed the story

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Were fantrolls a mistake?

>>89890874
This is why you ship wholesome ships, not trash like davekat or rosemary

>>89890874
Are john/rose shippers the homestuck equivalent to trump supporters?

>>89888144
This>>89891095

>>89891290
And what are wholesome ships?

>>89891403
Karkat's mouth/Vriska's 8ulge

>>89891169
Fantrolls are only a mistake when good porn artists draw them more than the actual characters.

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>>89891300
>>89890874
How did such an innocent ship get so villified?

>>89891633
Rosemary is one of the most popular ships
Homestuck's fanbase hates "het ships"
Andrew personally spoke out against the ship

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>>89891633
Something something gay erasure

>>89891714
And what the fuck does Andrew know? He can't even manage a company, let alone a webcomic.

>>89891633
Lesbian erasure. :^)

>>89889098
Only the original storyboard was finished ahead of time. The actual animation was completed some time during the final hiatus.

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>>89890874
>She's literally me
>She's intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor!

>>89890874
These people don't function in normal society, do they.

If you don't think trolls ruined the comic then you are part of the problem.

>>89892109
What if I think it was a series of failures in storytelling structure that just so happened to become prevalent at the time when the Trolls were being introduced?

>>89892109
trolls were a symptom

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>>89891074
lmao, it's true

>>89891912
Says the guy posting on 4chan about a comic that ended a year ago.

Homestuck was a mistake period, you sad shit taste having fucks.

>>89888791
>That doesn't really strike me as a meaningfully informed response to OP's question.
On the contrary, it's 100% accurate.

>>89891290
You don't ship shit at all, you shitty shippershit. Fuck off to whatever gay-ass forum you came from.

>>89892650
You don't sound very smart.

>>89888791
Let's not forget the Intermission, where LE aka Caliborn has Karkat's exile safe locked up under the Felt mansion for no apparent reason.

My personal theory is that, when LE entered the A Universes, he retroactively created a "glitch", the calling card of his presence.

It was Karkat. Caliborn saw Karkat, recognized himself in him, and changed his (and his ancestry's) blood to his own. Karkat is literally the cancer.

>>89891300
More like Ron Paul supporters

>>89892662
You sound like a dumb motherfucking newfag with shit taste who doesn't know that shippers were universally reviled on 4chan not too many years ago. Though I suppose I shouldn't expect too much from someone who likes Homestuck, never mind still discusses it.

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>>89892770
This sounds like the best theory.

>>89892810
>being this assblasted
kys

>>89892810
I already said you don't sound very smart, you don't need to convince me any more.

>>89889156
Except he didn't. Eridan mangled his quest and tried to kill Sollux. Aradia literally killed Vriska, and Vriska probably fucked Tavros in the ass at least fourteen times during the session's course. They all very nearly died against BK if it weren't for Vriska's hax and Gamzee's OP classpect. And even then they missed the point of SBURB so hard that they didn't even really deserve to win.

Karkat's "natural leadership" is the definition of an informed trait. We don't even see his speech to troll the kids, the ONLY time we see him taking an actuve leadership position.

>>89892841
What the fuck is this junior high level response supposed to be? Is that what passes as an insult or snappy reply on Gaia, or wherever the fuck your shipping ass crawled over from?

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>>89892909
Are you just saying random words hoping they mean something?

>>89892841
>implying a retard knows how to stop being retarded

>>89892960
You don't sound very smart.

>>89892183
>merely a coincidence, goy
really dude

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>>89892987
Right, my mistake.

>>89892991
You can't blame an inability to show, not tell on the Trolls. You can't blame a lack of consistent tone on the Trolls. You can't blame a lack of proper mystery-reveal-mystery cycle on the Trolls.

>>89892109

trolls were good

a story just about kids playing a game
is lame

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>>89893066
I can blame the following on the trolls:
-Subverting the entire plot of Homestuck
-Taking the story on a massive pointless tangent that is completely retconned out later
-Literally pandering to Tumblr shipping scum for merch sales
-Abandoning the idea that resolving plot holes is worth the effort
- >>89891773
-The dancestors
-Tricking 2 mentally retarded people into giving Hussie $10,000 each
-A bunch of degenerates spitting into a bucket
-Andrew gaining enough popularity to make the most cringey dating sim ever made
-Dulling the big reveal of the alpha kids, and causing their characters to reflect more of what tumblr wants rather than adhering to any themes established in the first 4 acts
-Long-winded pesterlogs about inane bullshit written in leetspeak
-Hussie spanking it to his waifu in the comic every time she was forced back into it

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>>89888144
>Was Homestuck Act 5 a mistake?
yes

>Are people still butthurt about this character?
yes

>>89890874
But let's face it, you'd burn someone in a davekat shirt.

>>89895701
>Not feeling innate disgust for anyone wearing any Homestuck shirt, let alone a Homestuck shipping shirt

Wouldn't even matter if it was that one ship that I like, it's my secret shame because it's shameful.

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>>89888919
>mfw Vriska was one of my favorite characters and was really interesting
>mfw I thought that her death was the perfect ending to her arc
>mfw she was brought back as Meenah's underaged girlfriend
>mfw she was brought back as the savior of the entire session

>>89892960
>hot damn 2

where's one

>>89895701
I wouldn't, because anyone who is enough of a hambeast to buy a davekat shirt would never leave, nor would be able to leave, their overmolded greasepit.

>>89888144
It introduced the trolls and it all went downhill from there.

>>89891169
Yes because they're almost never as interesting as the actual trolls. People are so fucking boring with their OCs

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>>89895866

>>89896040
>>89892960
>>89893020
nudestuck and camwhores are also a symptom of homestuck's decline

>>89893020
source ????

>>89891714
When did Hussie ever speak out against Johnrose? How could he, even, considering that was the main ship before he got castrated.

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>>89895839
John is the only major character to survive Act 6 unruined, and that's likely only because he remained so damn static. You need to just ignore all of Act 6 to like any of the characters.

>>89896054
But it did give us some wonderful lesbian porn.

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>>89896054
K.

>>89896077
Formspring. Something something only because they're the first two characters, something something nervous investors.

>>89896111
Go into pornhub/xhamster/xvideo and search "lesbian amateur" and find something that doesn't suck
Go hogwild and enjoy yourself knowing that you didn't contribute to the overall lowering of quality of the comic
>>89896115
Seriously this isn't even homestuck related. Why can't beady-eyed, man-faced mullatos in a pushup bra put their lingerie pics online WITHOUT trying to connect it to homestuck with some shitty big glasses

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>>89896154
Go whine to people who care.

>>89896154
Remember kids: Every time a Jade cosplayer shows her cooter, Hussie canonizes a davekat.

>>89896172
God damn that was a fast reply dude, struck a nerve?
>>89896199
It may sound a little kooky at first, but I wouldn't even be making a big stink about this if Hussie wasn't such an impressionable faggot when it came to feeding off the vibes of his fanbase. That sorta shit is only one of the many things amongst homestuck fans which invite more shitty fans, which in turn influence Hussie to do retarded shit

>>89896154
Nudeposters and camwhores didn't lower the quality, the trolls did.

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>>89896199
That's a lot of Davekats then.

>>89896240
That's why I said they were a symptom

>>89896154
>another content police poster
Holy shit fuck off.

WHERE THE FUCK IS EQUIUS

>>89896239
No, it still sounds pretty stupid.

>>89896263
>>89896172
>>89896115
>>89896040
I wouldn't even fucking mind but Jade should be an A or B cup.

>>89896124
Looking through the archive, and I think you might be misremembering; can't find anything about them.

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>>89896322
She's Jane's daughter.

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>>89896290
You say content police like I'm trying to prevent something. I'm just speaking in retrospect. Why would I try to make someone stop posting something if the damage is already done? Use your brain dude
>>89896314
Right here

>>89896322
The headcanon has long been sealed that Rose and Roxy have butts, Jane and Jade have boobs. Blame that ancient mindwipe comic.

>>89896352
You're telling people to stop enjoying nudestuck and fuck off and go to pornhub. Stop trying to act innocent, it makes you an even bigger cunt than you already are.

>>89896410
Well why wouldn't they? You'd probably find much better content and enjoy yourself far more than some subpar tumblr girl with slightly large breasts

I'm just being considerate in that regard

>>89896437
Sounds more like you're being a cunt.

>>89896455
Maybe you're taking it too personally

>>89896437
Please, considerately, fuck off.

>>89896455
>>89896469
Maybe you're both fucking stupid. Tits are tits.

>>89896476
Run out of frumpy jade cosplayers trying desperately to pretty themselves up to post?

>>89896387
Is that the one where the wind blows up Rose's dress?

>>89896387
link?

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>>89896493
Damn right.

>>89896501
Yeah, and the prequel.

>content police
>they're retarded
Every. Fucking. Time.

>>89896541
I'll leave you to play in your filth, you seem blissfully unaware about it

>>89896541
>content police
>they're also a condescending asshole
Always and forever.

Funny how it's always the jadeposters who are the most cancerous as well. No one there's so much hate for davejade. What's next in amazing content from this thread, breeding memes?

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>>89896551
Jesus christ dude you sound like a fucking puritan. It's just tits.

>>89888791
>And then we learn they're two beings occupying one body. Does that hold any relevance to the mysteries of his origins and biology?
Also recall his self-kismesis. Almost like he had the cherubic instinct to hate the part of himself he can't interact with.

Post Aradia or I'll just leave

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>>89896597
If you wanted Rose you just had to ask.

>>89896603
My porn folder is nearly 4 gb faggot. Just because I don't like ugly mixed race bitches pretending to be cartoon characters doesn't mean I don't like actually hot girls

>>89896627
>racist and has shit taste
You're just digging yourself a deeper hole.

>>89888791
Don't forget his blood bond with Jack, or the mysteries around his denizen, etc

Karkat is wasted potential: the character.

>>89888558
>UWEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>UWEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>DA TWOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS
I want to hit you until you can't sit down and make posts like this anymore

>>89896643
Black girls are hot. White girls are hot. Weird freak mutts like >>89896040 are not

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>>89896627
>My porn folder is nearly 4 gb faggot

Nobody cares about your dickgirls and traps folder dude. 4GB in this day and age is nothing.

>>89896673
It was in response to him trying to act like I was some uptight mormon because I didn't like his hideous jade cosplayers. Rose ones are slightly better usually

>>89896672
God I know, we need to make miscegenation NEVER happens.

>>89889152
>Lesbian shippers are fucking crazy, even moreso than yaoi shippers. You wouldn't believe the warehouse 13 shitstorm when it ended.
Tell me more. I love lesbian salt.

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>>89896612
you probably want lewds but I only got cute

>>89896699
If it makes weird foot faced mutants with giant chins who are retarded enough to dress up like an internet dog girl then yes I agree

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>>89896692
So... you're trying to convince people you're not a uptight prude by demonstrating that you've just got shit taste all around and are a pretty big racist?

You're not very clever are you.

>>89896713
Post lewds anyway

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>homestuck thread
>thread devolves into two autismos having a dick measuring contest over their tastes in cosplayers

Lovely.

Why aren't gay men obsessed with yuri the way lesbians are obsessed with yaoi? I don't understand this.

>>89896663
Karkat's special denizen was just Hussie's way of communicating that everything about Karkat is small and disappointing.

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>>89896707
Okay so Warehouse 13's main male and female lead always had that implication that they'd get together, in that lazy, of course it's going to happen way. But people started shipping the female lead with HG Wells's sister (a major character on the show). Like fucking hardcore. It was by far the biggest ship in that fandom, nevermind that said Wells was living in an established relationship with a dude.
The entire final season all the idiot fangirls are drooling, talking about how clearly Wells/Myka will happen.
So of course, season finale rolls around and the main leads get together. The directors talk about how they had always intended it to happen. The fandom goes fucking nuts, tons of pages of screaming and hate, and it burns to the ground forever.
And that's why you don't see much Warehouse 13 anywhere on tumblr. It was glorious. A little nuclear SyFy NarutoSasuke

>>89896541
>ends up being even more true than just the initial joke
Jesus christ.

>>89896765
>the dangers of crossbreeding

/pol/ please go.

>>89896799
I stopped watching Warehouse 13 when Wells killed and replaced fucking awesome villain MacPherson and I'm still better that they did that instead of keeping both of them around

>>89896799
Someday I hope I get a fandom so I can disappoint fans about their ships, and then shame them for being so stupid and entitled as to think my work belonged to and was beholden to them, as if they knew what the characters wanted.

>>89896841
It's clearly Jade.

>>89896841
If we're talking purely aesthetics some mixes don't mix. Some mixes are the hottest thing ever, but only half the time.

Blasian girls for exmaple

>>89896849
*bitter

>>89896849
It was alright. But like I said, the salt alone was glorious.
But yeah, lesbian shippers are probably more insane than yaoi shippers, just not as consistently annoying.

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See, this is why /hsg/ got banned.

This and tripfags.

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>>89896891
Wasn't it cool how Hussie was so lazy he forgot Kanaya was fashion and never changed her outfit ever again?

>>89896917
Because of racist prudes?

>>89896908
They're apparently crazy enough to threaten death to a ship that sunk hard. I can't believe WLF did something good for once.

Reminder that Act 6 ended up taking 5 years and went off on jarring tangents that had no actual impact on the story for 4 years in spite of Hussie's intentions of making t shorter than Act 5 because the Act 7 animation took 4 years altogether to make and Hussie had to put something on the site roughly every day for 3 of those 4 years.

The comic literally went to shit because almost half of it was Hussie stalling and feeding us an unnecessary series of convolutions while the ending was being finished.

>>89896977
Weren't the designs community voted on anyway?

>that Rose/Roxy entry in the shipping art contest
>it's just them standing together, but it's a shipping art contest

>>89896670
fuck off trolls are shit

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>>89897005
Now imagine if Hussie had never done the game, and instead had spent the money on a huge animation finale for Homestuck. Then he could have taken his time, done the comic right, and then ended it with a huge bang while we waited.

>>89897025
Cowards.

>>89897062
I can't believe anyone is still so desperately attached to this dead comic that they will stand up and say "trolls were a good idea!!"

haha yeah when there was 4 of them maybe, they turned out to be the most shallow and poorly handled and cashgrab of a humiliation I've ever seen clog up and drag down a story

>>89897009
There's a lot of JohnRose shippers out there, just silent because Rosemary shippers will kill them, or worse, make them flat boring characters.

>>89896763
Because all the insane yuri fags are straight guys in denial over the fact they'll never be a cute girl.

Not even kidding.

>>89897146
Sounds about right.
So what's with lesbians and yaoi?

>>89897146
This is very true. If you can't keep your yuri obsession in check, you need help.

>>89896799
I love when a show sticks to it's guns.

Like all the assblasted Zutara shippers from A:TLA.

If only Bryke hadn't pandered the fuck out in Korra.

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>>89896926
Gets me every time :^)

>>89897111
>tfw JohnRose shipper to the very end
The Grimdark saga was the highpoint of this comic, and it was loaded with that shit.

Then Rosemary shippers had to make Rose a boring nothing character to have her shack up with Kanaya.

>>89896763
are you 100% certain the yaoi shippers are lesbians?

>>89897231
Grimdark was where the comic lost me, personally

Stopped giving a shit after that idiocy, and it was a good time since Hussie admitted he was losing his touch and unable to get the Rose flash done

He was already failing

>>89897071
>when you don't ordinarily care for incest ships but Rose and Roxy are just too hot not to be all over each other in your fantasies

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I honestly can't tell if you people have actually read Homestuck, or you're just butthurt republicans who use it as an excuse to whine about every male character being a "cuck" and every female character being a "slut".

>>89896124
>>89896325
It was the books, not formspring

>>89897263
It was the last hurrah of quality before things became a shit slurry.

>>89897175
>>89897167
Seriously. Go to /tg/ and you'll see how fucking annoying yurifags can be. They ruin everything.

>>89897180
Zutara was seriously considered at one point during the show's run, even if they decided against it.

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>>89897276
Like, please. Fucking PLEASE. Rose is a fucked up little cunt who wants Mommy to spank her to sleep. Who the hell is she trying to fool.

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>>89897285
Go back to r/Homestuck.

>>89897180
The nice thing about Korra is you can just ignore it, unlike Act 6.

>>89897315
Oh, I know. I never understood it, but I'm aware it existed in a huge way.

Maybe I'd get it more if they had interacted more, or at all before the end of book 2.

>>89897334
Shame it killed the franchise. And even if it hadn't the dumb Korra shit would be canon.

>>89897285
Caliborn is enough of a positive male role model to excuse every other boy being a spineless wimp.

Everything after Cascade was a mistake. They could have done an Alpha kids arc, but Hussie chose to fuck it up from that point on. The Dream Bubbles were a novelty at first, but it overstayed its welcome.

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>>89897321
Anything where Rose is dominated is fine by me.

>>89897393
It's funny. People always saw Rose as the dom type, but all I could only ever see her as a very dumb sub girl.

>>89890874
Consider that this was the precursor to the "cis scum" movement.

>>89897419
She's a sub who affects being a dom, which is the hottest sub. She's not "dumb," though, not exactly; she's high INT, low WIS.

>>89897419
It's how it goes. The bitchy, dominating girl is a desperate needy sub in the bedroom. Basically Rose will roll over and meow, while Jade would probably choke you to death.

>>89897393
I've always seen Rose as a brat and John as a brat tamer, desu

Someone remind me what happened between the relationship between Kanaya and Vriska. I remember they were the diamond one at one point, right?

>>89897512
I've thought of Rose as a pseudo-intellectual, but not a brat.

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>>89897512
That too. Either way it's a spoiled rich girl being tied up and given what she deserves.

>>89897543
Who cares? Shipping ruined Homestuck.

>>89896763
It's 100% straight girls. See /a/ for the reverse.

>>89890809
she had great chemistry with John but that's it

>>89897512
>still no spanking art with John and Rose

>>89897673
John killed himself for her amusement. Vriska's not the first time she undid a murder mistake, kind of poetic if you think about it like that.

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>John needs to rape Rose like a slut she is!
It's funny how you take a cartoon character and then completely warp their personality beyond recognition.
Like those fanfics where the setting, plot, and themes are different from the source work, and the only link between the source and fanfiction is character's names.

>>89897110
Trolls didn't force Hussie to pander to Tumblr. Trolls didn't force Hussie to make a kickstarter and video game mid comic. Trolls didn't write Act 7. Trolls didn't write the retcon.

women like Dave/Terezi
men like Karkat/Terezi
fact or not?

>>89897652
Shipping has been around since the fucking Bible.

I guarantee you that there were some hardcore Jesus and John the Beloved fics back in the 1100s or something

>>89897728
Shut the fuck up Rose.

>>89897728
You mean Davekat?

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>>89897728
No.

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>thread ruined by shipping fucks

>>89897735
>Trolls didn't write the retcon
Actually, this one's debatable; the retcon was technically authored by Andrew's tulpa, Vriska Serket, who had taken over his body by that point.

>>89897735
I will defend him simply by this- the money's always right. He followed the cash cow. He just gave up before finishing the job because he couldn't take all the pressure. He finished it by letting it die down and suppressing the fire, then passing on the buck. Clear sign that he had enough and will eternally regret his decision. I just hope he goes back to his good old days of PS/act 1 HS style humor. It's been half a decade, surely he's got some fresh material by now.

>>89897797
I might be a shipping fuck but at least I never saved any images of the snapchat updates.

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>>89897829
>Vriska
You mean Terezi with John's help.

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>>89897754
That too.
Though I honestly don't mind it as much as you seem to. Every character seemed off by the end, not just Dave and Karkat; but instead of focusing on storytelling flaws you just "protest against gayness" or something.

>>89897869
People hate Davekat because people liked dave and karkat the most. And their characters were destroyed so much so quickly.
Characters like Rose had already been a lost cause by the time of the retcon.

>>89897903
Not to mention that Dave and Karkat worked best as bros.

>>89897842
Sorry, by "regret his decision", I mean pandering to the tumblr crowd. Hopefully he'll think of them like Olive Garden and give them the middle finger by writing some risque humor to off-put them and go down as the hero he once was.

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>>89897752

>>89897951
You heard me you dumb slut

>>89897738
Can confirm fact for bi people. Every self-proclaiming SJW on Tumblr can't stand either. Het can go either way, ironically.

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>>89897738
I don't like either of those

Fuck Terezi she can go hook up with her abuser and die in a black hole

And before you ask, Davekat can leap right in after them

>>89888144
It all stems from the very first intermission

>>89897842
I can only say this: the Crowbar comic was as good as an Intermission project should be. The man is still alive in there somewhere.

>>89897738
I'm male and loved Dave/Terezi because they had great chemistry and some really funny and cute logs. Ship fucking sucked that time it was canon for a bit because it was 100% offscreen.

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>>89898004
Sorry anon, I'm not into ERP.

>>89898134
True enough. I don't think Hussie is dead; more like chained up in the dark basement of some Misery-esque horror scenario, malnourished, partially demented, almost completely hopeless. The end of Homestuck is his opportunity to escape, and if that Crowbar comic was any small indication, he might actually take it.

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>>89898118
>based time-travel intermission
no

>>89898228
You will be. you will be.

>>89898260
I just wish he'd written Hiveswap instead of handing it off to a random newcomer who isn't very funny or good with drama.

>>89898275
you fool,
the cake was poisoned!
hopefully it was sweet enough toyou, for the death that comes will be agonizing and slow

>>89898342
Eh, the cool shit in Homestuck just barely comes out on top over how upsetting it is that he trashed most of that potential.

>>89898303
I think all of us do. Hiveswap could've probably been pretty good if it 1) was written by Hussie and 2) funded and made after he finished the comic.

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JOHN: "who should i kill?"

>>89898447
The gays xD

>>89898447
Neither, raise them into productive members of society.

>>89898228
Flat Rose, green sun

>love thicc girls
>only canon thicc is Jane
>Jane is one of least favorite girls
>Mind controlled thicc Jane isn't capitalized on
JUST

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>>89898228
>Poor pitiful little Rose
>Flattest
>Smallest
>Tightest

>>89898892
>implying she isn't a size queen

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>>89898942
>implying she still isn't too freakishly small down there to make anything average or bigger feel unbearably huge

>jerking off to homesmut folder slideshow
>get to decent jane drawing
>accidentally finish too soon from errant stroke
>wasted on worst girl

>>89899031
It took a few years, but I got my Homesmut folder down to a razor sharp collective of only the best of what I'm into. At least this trash comic was good for something.

>>89899063
don't cut yourself

>>89899094
Hey, I doubly get off since I'm already getting off on seeing Hussie's life and works reduced to being nothing more than 'once in a while' wank material. It's all that's left that's worthwhile.

I'm a tame individual. Why do I like Aradia so much?

>>89898385
>made after he finished the comic.

Do you think it would've hit funding? I don't actually know how big the dropoff of HS' fanbase has been, so maybe my estimations are off, but it seems pretty significant.

>>89899406
>I don't actually know how big the dropoff of HS' fanbase has been

I sincerely doubt more than 10% of the fandom is left at this point, if that. The game is dead in the water, and might not even come out. After it flops... that's it. Homestuck is gone forever, and so is Hussie, at last.

>>89898942
You mean she wants to be. But she talked the talked, but never walked the walk.

>>89898991
Sounds like someone like John would kill her then.

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>>89899610
Probably. Too bad for Rose. She better get used to it.

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>>89899610
Those things can stretch, she'll adapt.

>>89888144
Loved up till act 6.

Took a cast that was already on the precipice of being bloated, introduced 4 new characters, then another 12, and yet another 2 on top of that, to the complete detriment of the originals.
Dream bubbles completely destroyed anything resembling stakes. Death meant nothing, so who gives a shit.
Built up not one, not two, but three big bads, each of which was defeated in a way that was more disappointing than the last.
Complete lack of effort or energy really started showing during the whole trickster shit. Just spiraled in quality after that.

Act 6 was a mistake. Act 5 was good to great.

>>89899485
A lot more people are eager to play the game than you think, they just don't come here. I'm scared it'll make a profit.

>>89890444
No

>>89899610
Like the opposite of throwing a hotdog down a hallway

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WHERE IS IT, HUSSIE?

>>89900520
Coming Summer 2018.

>>89896616
Noice

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>>89900483
Let's just say Rose doesn't get to survive. Which means she revives, just as tight as before.

>>89897738
I'm a guy and I'm fond of Johnrezi

>>89900625
You know, I'm okay with Rose struggling to take John's tornado, but I think... I think I'm gonna draw the line at snuff.

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>>89900698
That's fine. I was already far gone to begin with, so this is just me dredging some vicious satisfaction out of the disappointment.

>>89900627
It seemed like a cute but misguided idea back in the day, an assumption made about a puzzle before all the pieces fell into place. Now, it's about the only thing that breathes new life into both characters.

John/Vriska was neat. I don't know why Hussie had them get so involved in 5-2 only for it to fizzle out into nothing.

I mean it's not even like they got with anyone in the end. John's a 20 year old NEET virgin.

>>89900698
I'll be satisfied with John pulling out of Rose and it's a couple seconds before he's fully emerged, as it were. And Rose afterwards can't walk straight for a week and has to be carried around.

>>89900771
the moral of homestuck is no matter how much cool shit you do with your online friends is that they will never be your real friends

>>89900771
Hussie decided that Terezi and Vriska were in love the entire time and the Epilogue is going to show them reunite as lovers.

>>89894386
>tfw you will never be vriska's chair

>>89900771
I dunno. It just feels for me like that Vriska is dating the wrong guy.

Even Scourgecest feels weird.

>>89900812
The moral of Homestuck is "quit while you're ahead."

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>>89900838
>Vriska will never be your chair after she's shoved over

>>89900820
Yeah, that's stupidly likely. Literally everyone is going to be gay except John, and the only reason he isn't is because Hussie from 7 years ago said he wasn't.

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>>89900820
Look, I gotta go to work, but if I can say one stupid thing about this entire comic, it's that a LOT of problems could have been solved if Vriska and Terezi had just fucked like normal psycho bitches back when they started to FLARP. Talkin' entire civilizations saved if they had just doinked to begin with.

>>89900864
>Vriska will never break her chair after eating you

When will ipgd publicly release that now-private video on her channel of her washing Hussie in the bathtub? He's wearing trunks

>>89900909
There's a difference between fucking and being in love.
Vriska and Terezi never were in love, their relationship was a rivalry/black in nature. Evidently whoever took over the comic postretcon forgot that.

>>89900909
I am so happy for Terezi leaving her emotional abuser and psychopath bf Karkat and be with Vriska.

She deserves to be happy.

>>89889173
I just hate Karkat because he became unfunny, which was really the only purpose he needed to serve.

>>89900520
Half Life 3 is getting released before, than Kingdom Hearts 3, than this.

>>89900971
I miss whale Vriska canon
One of the last moments Hussie had fun before he turned

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>>89901117
At least part of her is still canon fat.

>>89901170
I'll take it

>>89901117
[S] NuHussie: Enter

The systematic destruction of every character in, and the very fabric of, Homestuck.

A gleaming tear in the reality of our fiction, as we watch in horror, silent.

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>>89901117
At least it gave us porn. So much porn.

>>89901170
IT'S NOT THE SAAAAAME

>>89901275
Fatstuck is the best
Jade>Aradia>Fef>Rose>Vriska> Everyone else

>>89901386
>Vriska
>ever not the 8est
>Jade above anyone
>Rose not second best

You are objectively wrong.

>>89901386
Jade's not fat
She doesn't even eat meat.

>>89901431
The top 4 are very close to each other. But regardless I enjoy most all the girls drawn of girthier sizes.
>>89901617
True, but I mean as she's drawn if she were though.

>>89901744
But Jade is a poor choice.

>energetic and outgoing and athletic
>making her a fatty directly goes against her character

>rose
>lazy piece of shit who reads stupid horror stories and wizard slash-fiction all day
>vriska
>throws weight around to make people cooperate and admit she's the best

My friend is obsessed with Kanaya but he's never read Homestuck, but he really loves roleplaying her and shipping her with Rose and everything.

What should I do?
How should I handle solicitation to said RPs?

>>89901853
Call him a faggot, tell him his love for Kanaya is a construct of ignorance and that he could never love a character that he doesn't truly know, and tell him to get a real waifu.
Fuck.

>>89901833
I sort of appreciate the whole "corruption" angle of weight gain (which ironically she was corrupted, albeit in a different way). Plus she is the Witch of Space, she could make anything big/small if she wanted. Also I like her before all that, nerdy with long straight black hair, wild girl

>>89901986
>>89901833
To add, the contrast just makes it that much hotter.

>>89901909
>Call him a faggot
Well yeah but we've both already accepted that.
He thinks Kanaya is like, Rarity basically and loves her darling. (He loves MLP and has assigned the trolls personalities based on them, with Rose being Twilight, Vriska Rainbowdash, Feferi Pinkiepie, ect)

>>89902079
I think you should stop being friends with this person, and cut contact immediately.

>>89902079
Kill him.

>>89902079
He's not really wrong but yeah get this horse shit out of here

>>89902138
>>89902187
>>89902606
How do I describe Kanaya best to a person who never read her?

>>89902652
I mean, like I said, he pretty much nailed the characters with those pony comparisons and you'd have a hard time convincing him Kanaya isn't Rarity if you described her accurately

>>89902652
How can he RP a character he knows nothing of the dialogue for? That's literally how the character is defined in Homestuck.

>>89902800
He sees are her fanart and thinks he's got a pretty good idea of her character. Fashion, gay, lipstick, being a girly fussy priss, loves Romance. I mean seems like he's got it down. When he does her quirk it hardly seems to matter.

>>89902687
I don't know how else to describe her, since if I told him she's an insecure teen with OCD/Social-Anxiety and shaky lesbian crushes with a desire to fix people he wouldn't believe me.

>>89901853
Get a new friend

>>89902947
If he loves her so much, why the fuck doesn't he just read the fucking comic?

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>>89889235
Don't forget
>Echidna said he had an important role to fill, and had Kanaya knock him out so he wouldn't get killed in the final battle
>It actually meant nothing lol, he didn't do shit

>>89904104
Echidna slurs her words sometimes. She actually said that Karkat has an important hole to fill; Dave's.

>>89902007
That's fair, I guess, but implying she's better than Vriska is just nonsense.

>>89902652
Imagine a generic "straight edge" female archetype, now give her a deadpan, dry sense of humor. Or, if we're talking Act 5.2 onward, just the "straight edge" female archetype.

You're all so pathetically broken, so butthurt, that it's now commonplace to declare Act 5.2 a travesty.

>>89904529
I'm dumb what's "Straight Edge" and how is it a female archetype?
Google says it's just abstaining from drugs or something.

>>89889142
Man the Rosemary shippers always lose their MINDS whenever any hint at John and Rose being close or even FRIENDS happens.

>>89897231
It just bugs me FOREVER that John and Rose never resolved all the hurtful shit Rose did in the leadup to Grimdark.

Rose just vanished, replaced by Kanaya's Girlfriend, a very important lesbian.

>>89897419
Rose literaly canonically fantasizes about being siezed and grapplied by dominating eldrich beings.

She's absolutely a sub, the girls who see themselves in her just think it's cool and empowering to be dominant.

Also do you guys want a preview of my John doms Rose fic?

>>89900383
well damn