JSA Storytime: Wildcats 3.0

>>89877363
Why does he where that mask?

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>>89877379
because putting kinky leathermen in your comic is transgressive or something

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>>89877395
I'm not /k/ and all and haven't been shootan in two years now, but do you really want to be standing square like that when you shoot?

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>>89877432

>>89877379
If he took off the mask OP would still be a faggot.

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>>89877467
I missed you, sugartits

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>>89877512
My brain is still kind of boggling at the distance between this and current watercolor Ngyuen

who charges and gets absolute top dollar for con work, damn

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>>89877548

>>89870143 I loved this Fanfic.

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>>89877611
>>89877637
Anyone putting Busiek on a Big Two book is the quickest tipoff that it's a lie

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>>89877650

>>89877548
>My brain is still kind of boggling at the distance between this and current watercolor Ngyuen

I think the biggest jump I've ever seen in an artist's career is Clint Langley or Bill Sienkiewicz

>>89877650
Busiek was the biggest "obvious bullshit" flag, but I don't see Remender, Hickman or Fraction coming back any time soon either

>>89877650
Agreed.

>>89877689
Really? Ms marvel changing writers was the biggest one for me

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>>89877689
Remender fuck no, Fraction's probably in the TV world, Hickman could be enticed by the absolutely right project and a free hand

I mentioned Busiek because his health problems are so limiting, and well-known

>>89877363
Hello, Storyteller.

>that cover
... Sigh. Welp. There goes any sense of dignity none of us had in the first place.

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>>89877757
LOL

>>89877650
He does have that Batman thing coming, but yeah. Not an ongoing.

>>89877637
I wish it were more believable.

Like
>Bennett on Ms Marvel
>Slott still on Spider man
>Bendis on Thunderbolts and Defenders
>Spencer is done with Cap, Aaron is done with Thor, they switch characters
>pushing Ewing more
>Lemire gone from big two completely
>Bendis eats a part of Soule's soul

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>>89877773
lol it's going to get so very, very much worse, it's a Joe Casey not-for-kids comic

>>89877801
He'll do one-offs but everything has to take a back seat to AC and Autumnlands, and some days it seems like even that's pushing it

>>89877811
>Slott still on Spider man
>Bendis on Thunderbolts and Defenders
>Lemire gone from big two completely
>Bendis eats a part of Soule's soul

these are basically confirmed

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>>89877823
oh right, here we go

>>89877363
I didn't realise this just became an outright bondage comic.

>>89877773
One of the running gags in these threads is discussion of sex dungeons, we don't have dignity, and we probably don't have shame either.

>>89877752
she needs to though

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>>89877853
Yeah, this is going where you think.

>>89877868
we have neither

>>89877686
What's your point of comparison for Clint Langley?

>>89877757
>Fraction's probably in the TV world
I want Cassanova to go on hiatus so Fábio Moon can work on literally anything else

>>89877637
I wish people would put more effort into making these fake leaks... and I wish people could actually notice when something is hilariously fake.

>>89877841
Bendis isn't writing Thunderbolts
and Lemire has submitted multiple completed year long scripts to Marvel

>>89877637
It's a weird narrative huh, it's been tried like three or four times now with different specifics.

>>89877823
>it's a Joe Casey not-for-kids comic
Yeah, I noticed. So between the EDGE and the dragging its heels plot, which would you say is more typical of Casey?

>>89877915
>and Lemire has submitted multiple completed year long scripts to Marvel
what's he on next then? I thought he was leaving all his books

>>89877899
good taste dubs dude
fuck Fraction with ten foot pole

>>89877915
>and Lemire has submitted multiple completed year long scripts to Marvel
sauce?

Because he's only on Thanos now I think so he'd have 2-3 to be named

>>89877888
His early Slaine stuff that was traditionally inked linework. It's nothing like his crazy digital art for Book of Invasions or ABC Warriros

>>89877885
Is this really going where I think. Oh Agent Wax no.

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>>89877919
That's really impossible to say because his current creator-owned SEX is full of both taken to new heights

>>89877885
Casey took some deserved WHAT THE FUCK? for this, lemme see if I can find it.

>>89877936
his current book are ending and he said in an interview the month to month writing is really stressful so he started writing full stories before submitting them this last round
expect more like his Moon Knight and Thanos

>>89877885
>>89877965
>my boss is an asshole
>raping his wife is definitely the answer

I don't even want to imagine the thought process that lead to making your ostensibly non-villain protagonist do something like this

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>>89877965
This is no spoilers for where we're up to:

http://www.sequentialtart.com/archive/sept03/jcasey.shtml

> I hope they all haven't completely written Wax off as a character, because part of the idea of writing this series under the Mature Readers banner is the opportunity to depict characters in more complex ways. It was never my intention to suddenly cast Wax as a bad guy, based on the stupidity of his actions. Being an idiot doesn't automatically make someone a super-villain. At least, not in the world that I want to write about.

...dude, you made him a *rapist*, and not an ambiguous one, either

>>89877957
I kinda wish he'd stuck it out with the inks. I like some of what happens in later Langley Slaine but I find the whole thing kinda wearisome due to the art.

He was also one of the first Warhammer artists to start on that kinda thing IIRC and lead to the shitty aesthetic that has today vs. the sort of hey-did-durer-draw-this stuff it had before.

>>89877868
I know. I've been in these threads for... Well it was around the time Storyteller was running Rucka Wondy, and that was like, early to mid 2013? Like four years. Damn.

>>89878045
>I find the whole thing kinda wearisome due to the art.

The photo references are way more egregious in The Wanderer than in Book of Invasions yeah. I think it works really well in ABC Warriors, when he's not doing back to back double page spreads of one character firing a gun

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>>89878046
I can't believe how long we've been going either, when I think about it

>>89877983
Ah so 10-14 issue runs at most?

it would probably be less stressful if he, i dunno, didn't write 6-9 books at a time

>>89877965
This is a definite Millar moment. Like, Wanted-level Millar.

>>89878033
It's hard not to read into Joe Casey on the back of that statement huh.

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>>89878114
I saw some pros boggling at Lemire's work ethic/with some veiled jealousy and some quiet sniping

>>89878173
I'm not saying you can't have sympathetic characters who do awful things, but you the author need to be completely aware of what you're writing and not seemingly be kind of surprised

>>89877452
What the fuck is with these letters

>>89877965
>>89878020
>>89878033
Wow. Shit, I don't think even WATCH_DOGS went there.

Also, there's nothing complex about this. Wax is raping his boss' wife because said boss annoys him. Go fuck yourself.

>>89878229
>I saw some pros boggling at Lemire's work ethic/with some veiled jealousy and some quiet sniping
S P I L L
P
I
L
L

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>>89878229

>>89878114
Seriously. I hate these short 12-18 issue runs being the norm. here is a writer that's popular enough not to have his stuff canceled after 6 issues but he still half asses and abandons projects after a year. And he still hasn't fixed his pacing issues, he still can't get over writing for the trade, I'm enjoying Descender but goddamn dude...

>>89878229
>I saw some pros boggling at Lemire's work ethic/with some veiled jealousy and some quiet sniping
where?

>>89878114
exactly
Moon Knight was a critical success but not really sales
so he's going to do a bigger character because Marvel thinks he's one of their best writers

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>>89878257
Mainly "holy shit that's a lot of work on a very tight schedule/I can't do that/I wish he wouldn't talk about it like how he does because it's impossible for most of us and makes us look/feel bad"

I don't remember the sources well enough to twitter search for it, sorry

>>89878236
C O L D M E D I C I N E

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>>89877915
One Day.

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>>89878345

What is Grifter's ability besides having his mask never reveal his face?

>>89878284
he's not half assing anything
he's trying to create tight stories, the best possible without stringing them out

>>89878331
>because Marvel thinks he's one of their best writers
They're not wrong, I just think Lemire fails at trying to do "traditional" superhero stories, like JLU. He's like DeMatteis in that his strengths shine on off beat titles

>>89877467
A lot of loyalty for a hired shitposter!

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>>89878405

>>89878345
Oh I thought they were taking jabs, Lemire's wok ethic is really bad. I remember Kindt and Soule getting a lot of "OMG SO KEWL HOW DO YOU WRITE SO MANY PROJECTS" a few years ago. Fuck man, when did quantity become more important than quality.

>>89877611
What's Desmond up to during all of this?

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>>89878384
He's got variable levels of psi powers

>>89878453
Lemire's work ethic is insane, but it's clearly not a model that works for everyone, and I have questions about the results when he's doing five books at once

>>89878345
>using hypnosis to force her to listen to his incessant ranting about The Man
See, this would've been funny, if not for the whole rape thing. You can't really be making jokes with this now and expect it work. You have rather effectively put the audience in a not-laughing mood.

And frankly, Joe, you have turned me off of your already meandering writing by being bootleg Mark Millar. (And no, I will not make the obvious joke there, because fuck you.)

>>89878384
His ability is to have burnt out abilities if I remember.

>>89877363
Hey there.

You did the title wrong. This is clearly Wil/d/cats.

>>89878405
>>89878445
When will they actually make a game. Also there's no way Gerard Way didn't acknowledge this meme with that coloring page.

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>>89878520
to be absolutely fair this was 2003, but still

>>89878520
Casey aims higher but his treatment is pretty similar to Millar, yeah. SiMillar?

>>89878557
This is so 2003.

>>89877395
The Beverly Hills Gun Club is an excellent name for a criminal front business.

Or a band. It'd be a pretty good band name.

>>89878495
Insanely bad. Someone that's so hit and miss should focus on less series at a time and there's a lot to say about him creating Equinox and then abandoning her a few months later. And this point it feels like he's asking for characters to write so he can cross them off his bucket list not because he wants to have great runs on them.

>>89877773
I've got plenty of /d/ignity, thank you very much.

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>>89878557

>>89878579
what has Casey done that can measure up to Millar's Superman Adventures, Red Son or Starlight?

>>89877548
Speaking of watercolours, some kind anon storytimed and served up downloads for Minus!

And there were people who disliked it because Minus was a capricious god. The idiots.

>>89878495
he was supposed to go to a local con as the featured guest, but had to bail for two years because of that insane work ethic

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>>89878588
I can't think of any time one person writing that many books at once has ended up well. Not to mention the odds that much of the already-low uniqueness has been ironed out to make it work by Editorial

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>>89878555
>When will they actually make a game. Also there's no way Gerard Way didn't acknowledge this meme with that coloring page.

I wish it was Real

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>>89878696

>>89878666
Adventures of Superman, Cable and uh... I got nothin'.

>>89878666
Cable with Jose Ladronn, Godland with Scioli, and that Captain Victory comic with a whole crew of artists

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>>89878723

>>89877363
>Wildcats 3.0
AWWW YEAH

>>89877650
Also, the idea of Claremont as anything but sales poison nowadays is pretty hilarious.

>>89878746
Oh yeah, forgot Godland. There's also Catalyst Comix, right? Never read it but it looks good.

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>>89878793
I was idly scanning the AV Club comics reviews because the comments are frequently readable, and there was some discussion of TNC/World of Wakanda as being Claremontian in their wooooords everywheeeere-ness

>>89878793
>Also, the idea of Claremont as anything but sales poison nowadays is pretty hilarious.
>But he’s not getting any work from Marvel either. Still they pay him a retainer, enough that he won’t go to DC Comics, or anyone else. That would have to be a considerable sum, and it’s one that they’ve re-upped a number of times. He did write the What If X-Men Forever series, but that was in 2009 and 2010. And there was a short-lived Nightcrawler series in 2014. It’s just there’s been nothing since. But the Marvel cheques just keep coming.

It’s not that he doesn’t want to write, he does. But Marvel don’t seem to want him to write anything. But even more than that, they don’t want him to write for anyone else.

>>89878793
Nightcrawler was a huge improvement on anything since leaving Uncanny X-Men, but still not great. The Death of Wolverine tie in issue was the stand out

>>89878666
I mean in the actual topic. Casey is attempting to dig a little deeper than Red Son does with communism, for example.

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>>89878833
just in case

>>89878696
What if Lemire is actually farming his books out to starving writers and taking the lion's share of the profit.

>>89878793
>>89878835
After X-Men Forever? Yes, he should absolutely stay the fuck away from current comics. Nightcrawler was alright but that's clearly because he was trying to channel Cockrum.

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>>89878861
BEEF BOYS

>>89878557
>>89878579
There's a very real difference between an antihero, and a villain who happens to be allied with the heroes. Wax is obviously the latter, while Casey seems to think he's the former. The problem is that Casey doesn't appear to know what the difference is.

Example. Amanda Waller is an antihero. She is a rat bastard, but what she does is for the sake of keeping the world safe from threats.

A villain on the side of the heroes is Belkar form Order of the Stick. He's a rat bastard too, but everything he does is for his own sick amusement, and even his semi-recent effort to tone it down is out of selfish pragmatism than legit turning face.

The difference is the intent behind a character's actions. And no, guys like Max Lord and Final Fantasy villains don't count because they obviously enjoy hurting innocent people in the process of "making the world better".

>>89878861
Thiccfags in 3... 2... 1...

>>89878888
check those quads
keep old people off modern comics

>>89878922
You say that, but then there's Gerry Conway, writing the best Spider-Man in like a decade.

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>>89878919
Hah!

Tweet that made me laugh the most today, paraphrased: "your fuck mitzvah is when you go from being a fuckboi to being a fuckman"

>>89878888
unf quads

>>89878835
That's kinda weird they're basically paying him not to write

I guess that leaves plenty of time to write fanfics of Storm fisting Psylocke and whatever

>>89878833
Well TNC's two co-writers are both Professors, so of course they turned in wordy scripts

>>89877885
Betty Rubble?

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>>89878961
>>89878968
the difference between people who are too terse and those who are too verbose, in academia, is a fun one

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>>89878992

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>>89879017

>>89878922
I disagree. Give Matt Wagner, J.M DeMatteis and John Ostrander more work. Keep people like Jurgens and Wolfman and Claremont away though.

COMICS ARE TRASH, YOU FAGHOTS ARE WASTING YOUR TIME. GO READ SOME CLASSIC LITERATURE OR GOOD BOOKS. I WAS ONCE A PLEB LIKE YOU BUT NOW I'VE ASCENDED, YOU CAN DO IT TOO.

>>89878992
>the difference between people who are too terse and those who are too verbose, in academia, is a fun one
The urge to refer to the sex dungeon again is strong.

>>89879084
JMD needs to cut down the words in his recent Giffen collaborations, it's obscene.

>>89878020
Is this series Wax's first appearance? Is he actually meant to be a non-villain? This is Wildstorm, even the ostensible good guys tend to be pretty objectionable.

>>89879084
>Matt Wagner
He ain't that old.

>>89878967
I think Levitz has a similar deal, DC just usually puts him on something anyway.

>>89879084
Ostrander at least has health problems and probably little interest in returning with his own stuff going on. Grell would come back though.

>>89879092
>FAGHOTS
That's an odd portmanteau but the feeling is appreciated all the same.

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>>89879098
do it do it do it

>>89879092
WHY NOT DO BOTH?

I'm kind of stuck on the Jean Paul I was working on, it's too purple even for me

>>89879118
WHERE IS HERO DENIED

>>89879110
JL3k I agree, Larfleze was amazing.

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>>89879168
this is a fair portrait of a double-standard asshole

>>89878384
Various psychic commando powers that he and all of Team 7 got that none of them use much.

Also guns. His mutant power is guns.

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>>89879218
and being Zealot's damsel in distress

Hey! Let's double down on the rape!

>>89879142
Ostrander has expressed desire to do more work. He said something along the liens of "a paying gig's a paying gig" when he did some one shots.

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>>89879247
you SHOULD feel dirty, asshole

>>89878967
It's going to be great when they finally start paying Bendis not to write.

>>89879247
There's really not a fine line between "being an idiot and making mistakes" and "deliberately using your telepathy to commit rape multiple times"

what the fuck

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>>89879292
>>89879294
I always wonder whether Bendis believes his shit doesn't stink, or if those scathing reviews/the pans of CW2 finally made a dent

>>89879292
>doesn't feel bad though
and we're NOT supposed to take him as a villain? jesus fucking christ Casey

>>89879205

I liked Wax as a total asshole who is in over his head but somehow manages to survive through being a dick. Him fucking the wife was on character

>>89878992
Wordsmithing in general is a fine line to walk. No wonder mainstream rappers don't even bother rhyme or talk about anything beyond "I'm rich, tee hee!".

Turning a phrase in an intellectually pleasing manner can be a chore, especially with dialogue. How much is too little or too much? It's tedious, so many don't even really try to self edit. Eh, finished before the deadline, paycheck please!

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>>89879306
It's not a subtle distinction!

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>>89879347
most academic prose is bad/serviceable at best and that's even among the people who know something about writing. scientists? oh dear lord.

>>89879347
The worst part is that most cape writers today can't give characters a unique voice, and this gets even worse when writers that aren't good with words have the main character monologueing.

>>89878959
Beat me to it

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>>89879427
on a scale of 1 to Midnighter, how gay is this

>>89879440
this describes Bombshells and most of what Bennett writes really well

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>>89878861
>Fantasy Fetish Chambers

>>89879474
lmao Bombshells is literally like 25 female characters speaking the exact same way

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>>89879440
I can forgive a lot for books wherein I can guess who's speaking just by the script/dialogue. That's why the purple prose of Mawrdew works for me--the dialogue is varied and specific. Lots of prose authors also make everyone talk the same way.

>>89879084
>John Ostrander

How are his kickstarteds coming along, some of you all backed, yes?

>>89879343
This.

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>>89879566
so why was Cornell Stormwatch so bleh?

>>89879247
It's not doubling down if you technically never stopped raping her?

Like if he set her up in a hotel room with the hypnotic order to eat chips for ten hours until he got back for continued rape.

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>>89879569
KROS is at the printers

>spoiler: this book gets cancelled and ends at #24 hastily tying up a variety of plot threads

>>89879599
Cornell is pretty meh in general and editors were probably lame.

>>89879510
Yep. It's not even just that though, as >>89879474 says. Insexts is the same.

>>89879599
His Vampirella looks pretty good. I wanted to talk it out with someone but lol, who the fuck reads Vampirella?

>>89877363
Are you the original JSA Storytimer or the person who took over?

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>>89879672
that guy is too beefy and cleanshaven to be Griffles

>>89879729
hoot hoot

>>89879723
>who the fuck reads Vampirella?
So at what point did Vampirella stop being a anthology title and just become about the title character?

>>89879692
Does Animosity have this curse too? I haven't looked at it much

>>89879672
>cancelled
Can't imagine why. I mean, between the nothing of substance happening, and the writer thinking that rape is somehow morally ambiguous, this is compelling stuff.

>>89879672
>Eye of the Storm era
Literally no one I've ever known refers to this "era" as such. Does WildStorm even have eras? As far as I'm concerned there's only
>Pre-DC
>Post-DC
>New 52
>Ellis' reboot
And that's it.

>>89879764
I only read two issues but Animosity was like my favourite Bennett book (I didn't mind the intro Batwoman stuff so far either). You would still know she was writing it, but it felt less indulgent.

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>>89879750
>>89879799
The history of Wildstorm stops and starts is a fascinating one

>>89879799
You've got it wrong. Rape is only morally ambiguous if you have a really bad boss.

>>89879764
Nah, Animosity is pretty good and saved from having all the characters speak the same

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>>89879850

>>89879750
>4.95 Can

I haven't picked up anything in a while, what's Marvel's Canadian cover price now, if their American one is 5 bucks?

>>89879292
I see Miriam is a Woman Who Wears Underwear.

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>>89879874

>>89879850
The tension between Wildstorm people and DC people is also interesting. Especially during Millar's Authority

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>>89879895
lol

>>89879927
What we're really missing, with a few exceptions like that last page of the last issue, is the massively ego-bloated Joe Casey prose that always goes along with one of his projects. It's just not the full experience without it.

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>>89879599
This is kind of great out of context.

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>>89879955

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>>89879990

I think I may know why writers have trouble giving characters unique voices.

Three theories.

1: Difficulty in striking a balance between a visible personality and overly animated cartoon character. (Speaking from experience on this one.)

2: A misguided attempt at realism, since real people do not usually come across as having obvious personality traits, and it's mostly subtle. The result being blandness.

3: Sturgeon's Law, and most are either not good enough at this, or they just don't give a shit.

Just a thought.

>>89879955
>five figure salary

Wait, shit, really?
He isn't cracking 100K even as the head accountant of the "fuck everyone, free energy batteries for all" corporation?

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>>89880039

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>>89880074
okay, sometimes this is pretty fun

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>>89880127
well, bring out the nipple clamps

>>89880049
4) Everyone is based on and thus talks like the writer, or the writer's key archetype

Warren Ellis' bastards, Rucka's alcoholic lesbians...

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>>89880169

Anyone have any theories as to why Killer Frost is in Destiny of the Endless' Garden as seen in the "Next Year on the JLA" page?

>>89880169
>Warren Ellis' bastards, Rucka's alcoholic lesbians...

Bendis' Jewey wannabe gangsters

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>>89880204

>>89880049
It's not THAT hard imo, you just need to put some real thought into what these characters are going to say before you write their dialogue down. A lot of writers just make their characters say what they need to say and don't bother thinking HOW they should say it. Take the cast of Watchmen as an example of how to do this right.
Rorschach has some obvious tics that make his speech pattern unique. You shouldn't overuse this but having at least one character talk in a particular way helps.
Nite Owl is more down-to-earth and insecure.
Manhattan more mechanical and detached.
Silk Spectre is also down-to-earth but far more assertive than Nite Owl.
Ozymandias is more grandiose and self-indulgent, but in a way that feels unintentional from his part, like he really means what he says.

Granted, choosing Moore may be cheating because the man is a, let's face it, genius, but the point remains, it's not that hard if you actually put some thought into it.

>>89880049
Most of them just don't understand the idea of individuality, they self insert too much when writing monologues and they don't pay attention to the fact that people talk differently. 4th grader metaphors certainly doesn't help either.

>>89880169
In the forward to his Flash collection, Waid recently wrote that he had difficulty finding a voice for Wally until he decided to just make Wally's voice Waid's own voice.

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>>89880247
Man, this really reads like a Mark Millar comic in so many spots. Same weird kink for hard bodied U-S-A types.

>>89879990
>...Boy?
Really, you went there? Okay. I mean, I get why you went there, but with all the other stuff, this just seems like you went there solely for the sake of it, because Dolby's race has never come up until now. Failing to establish this before it becomes important is usually shit writing. Just saying.

>>89880266
Guess that explains why Wally became such a liberal.

>>89880248
>A lot of writers just make their characters say what they need to say and don't bother thinking HOW they should say it
Speaking is not communication. Puns aren't horrible, but if you have characters that don't have many lines then you better not have them just speak in superfluous puns.

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>>89880286
As deliberate hardcore trolling, I think it works partly because it's something he'd never say otherwise.

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>>89880353
yaaaaaaaaaas

When he's on, Robinson is good at distinguishing characters with dialogue. No one else sounds like the Shade, and Alan and Jay were completely distinct.

>>89880333
Nah, that started under WML, when he became homeless and then became BFFs with Castro.

Obliterating his lottery winnings burned the Young Republican right out of him.

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>>89880385
The comic artist equivalent of dialogue distinctiveness is body language, which is far too often generic. Quitely is, of course, a master of it.

>>89880333
And then Johns made him relatively conservative. Or at least that's the impression I got when reading his circa Identity Crisis issues.

>>89880248
British writer usually have a good grasp on this. The exception is Ellis. And I guess Abnett, but his writing style feels a lot more american than british and >>89880266
american writers usually are very... limited wordsmen

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>>89880414

>>89880489
Check out the floating electronics in the last panel

>>89880435
I've always wondered what Johns' political leanings are. He's never been the kind of guy to make that obvious.

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>>89880489
>>89880516
>backgrounds are hard

>>89880455
>american writers usually are very... limited wordsmen

I always think of Gaiman calling American comic writing incestuous. People who learned how to write from people who learned how to write from people who learned how to write from Stan Lee

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>>89880553

oof, i just wandered into a room watching the Grammy's, and Adele is blowing the tribute to Prince and George Michael

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>>89880576
Grifter, /k/ is gonna be mad at you

>>89880583
You think she was hypnotized?

>>89880353
Well, yes, Grifter's obviously fucking with him, but I'm saying that "character moment" had no impact because it was never established if Dolby ever had to face prejudice before. I mean, yeah, we can assume he has, but you still gotta establish that because who knows, maybe he got super fucking lucky and never had to put up with that bullshit. It just feels unearned is all.

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>>89880612
*cough*

>>89880575
Are we just talking Marvel comics there, or? That doesn't seem like a legitimate comment across the board.

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>>89880612
so how was this run that I don't think anyone talks about ever?

jeroen best doctor

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>>89880530
I get the vibe this page is coming from Johns' personal thoughts. I feel very much the same way as this, and it makes me see Johns as someone who is usually lost in his own thoughts and who doesn't find himself on either side of the political spectrum because of how open to ideas he is, like myself. Of course I might just be projecting.

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>>89880684
I feel like I've read it, but I don't remember anything about it

>>89880670
In general. Your Waids and your Slotts and your Seeleys and your Bennetts and Bendis...

>>89880741
One of these writers is not like the others

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>>89880735
We probably should have read volume 2 before this

oh well, I just giggled thinking about the National Park Service, and...

thanks for reading, we'll be back tomorrow

>>89880770
Bennett is a woman, yeah.

G'night OP, thanks

>>89880770
Not really

>>89880741
So, speaking of Steeley, has anyone read Revival? Is it any good?

>>89880741
Bendis is pretty well read when it comes to crime novels, which is why he managed to appeal to so many people when he started out with stuff like Sam and Twitch, Alias or Daredevil. He's definitely in way over his head when it comes to everything else though.

>>89880810
I've read the first 20 issues or so, I really enjoy it

>>89880776
cheers OP

>>89880741
But that's everything, right? Comics as we know them are pretty much an original American artform, and there is not a single artform which didn't start off with X teaching Y who taught Z. There's still room for creativity and innovation: it's demonstrated in art throughout history. The actual fact that we even have a history of art is a demonstration.

What was meaningfully different about British comics, then? People who learned how to write from people who learned how to write from people who learned how to write from 2000AD?

I get that comment as it applies to Marvel or DC, where corporate policy puts the reins on. Not to comics as a whole in any country.

>>89880797
What's wrong with Seeley ;_;

>>89880776
Thanks as always, OPinionated lady.

>>89880812
You're starting to talk a big game X-Anon. Looking forward to your webcomic.

>>89880812
Alias was a piece of shit. Rucka's read a ton of crime novels also but his main character always talks the same.

>>89880827
Usually british writers read more books, not just comics, that's the biggest difference.

>>89880897
Everyone writing comics needs to read more books, and should also go to the theatre regularly. I badly miss having a subscription to my local rep.

>>89880827
>What was meaningfully different about British comics, then?
Writers learned how to write comics rather than fans becoming pros. Take someone like Ostrander, at no point in his career path did he dream of writing comics. It just came up because he knew someone who knew someone

>>89880776
Well, see you then.

>>89880670
It doesn't really matter.
No one in comics from the Bronze Age on is not in some way affected by Stan the Man's style of writing. Even DC guys who never worked for him emulated him or aspects of him for their stories because he set the bar after Marvel hit it big.

>>89880831
Same thing as the others, writes everyone in the same voice, shit monologuing with awful metaphors only a 12 year old would consider deep and too much self inserting. having Dick and Damian go to the arcades is the best example of "how you do fellow kids", nobody young goes tot he arcades, gramps, you did but try to separate yourself from your characters.

>>89880776
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.

Maybe it's because of my weakness for bad girls, or the fact she's from my state, but I wish this book was about C.C. She seems to be as fed up with the story meandering around as much as I am.

Then again, given what has happened so far, Casey would likely find a way to ruin her. Cue someone implying something awful happening her in an upcoming issue...

>>89880831
I never drank the Grayson Kool-Aid

>>89880858
Thanks, senpai. Should be fun. Also, shhh

>>89880860
Hey, I ain't arguin' with you when it comes to Alias, I didn't like it either, but there's no denying it was popular.

I'd say Rucka's failing is that he's got a very specific fixation and his writing is way too self-indulgent, he's not willing to make sacrifices for the sake of his audience, and his audience actually eats up whatever he throws their way.

>>89880977
The King issues were fantastic though.

>>89880936
Right, but it's not the case that you should (or even can) only hire the people who accidentally get into comics. There are and have been good comics writers who have wanted to write comics.

>>89880897
>>89880935
So Scott Lobdell wrote Of Mice and Men into his book last week. What do you think Scott Lobdell's cultural frame of reference is like? Do you think it's adequate for the books he writes? What's the right level of well-read for Moon Girl or Wasp?

I find this whole convo kinda ridiculous, and I'm not even cranky. That Gaiman statement isn't wrong but it's not really a criticism either. And when you talk about comics creatives needing to read more - I think you're ignoring why that criticism jumps into mind more over comics than it does books, films, etc.

>>89880952
Are you the same anon who wanted more Ciji in REBELS?
>When C.C. met Ciji

>>89881091
I'm sure they read some stuff in school, like Alice in Wonderland but haven't progressed past that and most haven't read a proper book in 15-20 years. Also, with the internet it's easy to make a reference to a book you've never read. You need to understand that these are generalizations and there are plenty of exceptions on each side. But they're exceptions.

>>89881091
I'm on the "comics writers should be sure to read outside of comics" bandwagon because I love the conventions and narratives of cape comics but think they can be greatly enriched by tipping in things learned from other genres, either just in turns of phrase or in large-scale genre mashup.

>>89881115
Yes, but who the hell didn't want more Ciji?

>>89881091
Writers should draw from sources other than other fiction desu. That inevitably leads to cliches.

>>89881185
>I'm sure they read some stuff in school, like Alice in Wonderland but haven't progressed past that and most haven't read a proper book in 15-20 years
I would be very surprised if we started to cut through even pleb writers and that held up for the majority. So I don't think your generalization is much good.

>>89881193
I don't disagree but I also don't see the central problem with this as the *writers* needing to read outside of comics. I'm pretty sure most of them already do. You're IMO completely right about cape comics being very well-suited to fusing with other genres (right now this feels like about every cape comic not written by the big two).

>>89881284
Do you think you can ever not lead to cliches? That is the great conversation m8. Everyone draws from the established fiction in any industry that concerns itself with fiction.

>>89881091
Of Mice and Men is a pretty ubiquitous story that most should know at least from cultural osmosis, and even then the book takes like nine minutes to read.

>>89881443
You are giving me flashbacks to awful english teachers making students read pages out loud for days at a time. Looking back, that was probably the only way to ensure that people were paying attention, but man did it suck if you actually did the reading

>>89881443
It being that book specifically isn't that important, that was more of a lead-in. (Although it could not have been for example OP's Mawrdew Czgowchwz - and that's something Bennett might have actually tried).

>>89880860
>>89880996
Yeah, but watch where you say it. I said it was shit once, and got three threads shitposted into near-oblivion.

>>89880776
Cheers, anon...

>National Park Service
I hope Ellis uses them and Wax (and CC).

>>89880776
>thanks for reading, we'll be back tomorrow
Thank you

>>89878109
He decked a guy so hard, his ballgag came loose.

Legit.

>>89878384
Taught to fight by alien Not-Amazons.

>>89879017
>who shoved a rod up your ass

Some guy named Glenn.

>>89879467
Any gayer and he'd be explaining Sweeney Todd.

>>89880776
Coincidentally, I scored a copy of the first volume 2 trade for $8 today at my LCS.

>>89880333
That and his brief period as a miserable hobo in the eighties. I like to think such treatment would make any republican rethink their party's line when it comes to poor people.