What's the furthest comics can go before readers complain

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There's a right way to handle politics and a wrong way.

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>>89785869

>>89785869
Saying anything that anyone might disagree with, really.

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>>89785869
>when the candidate you're obviously promoting loses the election

>>89785869
How is that political? Or does anything that contains the word "immigrant" just automatically become political to you?

>>89786053
America is on the verge of turning into a warzone right now.

>>89786053
it's been a pretty political topic in todays world. Iirc people got mad because Kamala led a bunch of minorities to the polls.

>>89786111
>>89786113
And that related to what she's saying... how?

>>89785869
As someone that immigrated from Ukraine to england and then to america, this is 100% true.

>>89786003
This

>>89786166
Shit, that's unfortunate mate.

Feel free to head back home any day now.

>>89786162
America's situation is a tense one. Not exactly because of King Donald the Trump, but because it appears that the citizenship in general has grown tired of democracy.

>>89786214
Did you even read the image OP posted?

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>>89785869
That´s pretty on spot.

I say that if you cant stay related with the characters/the story/theme of the book or you cant bother to be impartial about a certain issue you shouldnt bother bringing politics at all.

>>89786166
As an American, I demand more glue.
[Spoiler]I feel like it is true, but at the same time I feel a mild xenophobia is justified... Sorry guy.[/spoiler]

>>89785869
>People wonder if my culture where husbands can hit women, we have to cover ourselves or we get stoned and is generallynbackwards, fanatic and violent screwed me up WHEN WILL THE OPPRESSION EEEEEEND REEEE

How is marvel this fucking retarded?

>>89786280
Failed spoiler. Time to die.

>>89785934
Has the Dave Sim is not a misogynist petition reached its goal yet?

I figured 4Chan would have given him the signatures.

>>89786256
When the social and political climate of a society has reached such levels of tension and generalized distrust, it's natural the citizens are going to feel out of place while at the same time placing excessive burdens and expectations on one another -- immigrants, especially. That's what I meant.

>>89786312
hmph, let's just see you try!
*teleports behind you*

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>>89786210
Why would I do that?

Your own citizens are the biggest problems with both of your countries. Both Americans and the Brits have proven that they are far too foolish to ber allowed to participate in democracy. The fact that of all the better Republican options, a clown Trump was not only chosen as nominee but -elected- and that Hillary was ever REMOTELY thought of an acceptable option in the first place is evidence enough of that nobody on either side has the ability to determine a decent candidate with their interests in mind.

If anything, we're all here to help save you from yourselves. You need us; We're the only hope you have left.

>>89785869
>filling comics up with bigoted strawman for the LGBT/PoC heroes to knock down
>making the most irredeemable villains be pro LGBT/PoC equality to make the strawmen seem worse in comparison
>drop story arcs and replace them with LGBT/PoCs brooding about how they're so oppressed and how they have it even worse than capes/muties

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>>89786443
>REMOTELY thought of an acceptable option
Wew lad

>>89786443
I don't need you in the slightest and I'm not joking when I say I wouldn't mind seeing you and all your kind swinging from the branch of a tree.

That's not a meme or anything like that, I want you gone. Stay in your own fucking country if this one is as bad as you claim, nobody wants you here.

>>89786443

There was no one on any side of that election that was a good choice.

Whovthe fuck decided these things? Really? Not a single uplifting candidate?

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>>89786509
this

>>89786256
it's identity politics

>>89786456
examples?

>>89785869
But people shit in yuppie culture all the time

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>>89786509
No, you do. You're not nearly smart or responsible enough to be trusted with your own democracy. I'd say you probably voted against your own interests, but I can already tell you don't even know what those are. 90% of people that live in democracies don't, and the ones that do are wealthy enough to talk the media into making you want what they want. It's really too bad

You're welcome on behalf of immigrants everywhere. I promise we'll find a way to make America great again.

>>89786541
wow so much wrong here. These people would probably be happy if USA didn't but its face in the middle east and fucked shit up.

>>89785869
when it becomes clear the character is merely a vessel for the writer's opinions

this make sense from the character's POV. It doesn't have to be correct and i don't agree to it with an extent. But it does make perfect sense coming from the mind of an american teenager.

>>89786608

Immigrants did make America great in the first place...

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>I don't need you in the slightest and I'm not joking when I say I wouldn't mind seeing you and all your kind swinging from the branch of a tree.

>>89786509
>I'm not joking when I say I wouldn't mind seeing you and all your kind swinging from the branch of a tree.
You could kill all of the immigrants with this amount of edge

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>>89786443
>The worst enemy of the People are not politicians anymore, but the People themselves.

Ah, I'm so glad somebody else understands.

>>89786053
Are you stupid?
"Da white privilege" is political horse shit.

>>89786518
That's the big tragedy. Protesters act as if Trump were the source of all of America's problems. But Trump is merely a symptom, not a cause, of Americans growing tired of democracy.

Clinton and Trump had plenty of support, and still do. Left and Right want an almighty monarch that will crush their enemies and rules the country without restraints. That's the core of the problem.

>>89786715
What she said is utterly true. If one white person sniffs glue in a population made mostly of white people then no one bats an eye. If one Pakistani does it in a group of non-Pakistanis then most of them come to the conclusion that Pakistani's are all glue sniffers. It's just how the human mind works. We love generalizations using very little data because it makes the world easier to understand.

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>>89785869
There's nothing wrong with politics in comics, even hardcore stuff like Mr A.


The problem is PANDERING, dumb ignorant american writers that don't know the difference between conservative and right wing, using comics as a tool for mouth pieces instead of using politics as a storytelling oportunity.

Captain America having an illegal mexican family in his apartment saying it's wrong for them to be in america and that they are criminals and having a hard time doing what is right (with the kid of the family actually getting them a green card) is fine.

You can expose Heroes to stuff that would affect them or that puts their own actions in perspective:

Green Lantern not caring about what happens in the plaents he fight, Bruce Wayne giving jobs to people he know he has fought as batman, Or even the Ultimates being total fascist interventionist cunts having to fight the "evil ultimates" that where nothing more than a NORMAL response from China.


Politics belong in comics. Marvel has a extremely long story of PANDERING to teenage fads. now is not that marvel actually cares about the SJW and panders to them hoping they will be their public, is an attempt to bait SJW bloggers to give them free press and more important to RENEW their image as the "young and proggresive" company. They were the hippie ones, the "not your dad comic", the cool ones and then the Edgy ones, Marvel lost that in the late 90s, DC, thanks to vertigo got to be the "mature" one, before mature meant "grim" and thanks to the movies a bunch of kids 10 years ago got iron man, what marvel wants now is not be the "kiddie company", but the "proggresive liberal" one.

Is a gimmick by ignorant idiots. If marvel had balls the muslim characters wouldnt be talking about being immigrants, with someone like O'neil they woukd question WHO BOMBED THOSE COUNTRIES. You can see Scott's twitter, over and over again people asked him why Trump being a cunt when it comes to migration is worst than WARS.

>>89786608
When you say "we'll make America great again" i think you intend to be condescending to native citizens of the US like you could do a better job but you have to understand when you say 'we' you mean 'us' because once you're here, me and you are working together my friend. Because we'll both be Americans. You get that?

>>89786741
Would it really be that bad to scrap our current system and make it simpler? As is, nobody can get anything done

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>>89786581
For the first one, the closest example I can give you is a scene from Justice League (or it might've been one of the movies) where Wonder Woman emasculates a random guy for saying something like "You're pretty tough for a lady".

The second one is a variation of pic related. I can totally see other writers mimicking this joke to fit their narrative.

Third one is purely anecdotal. I was part of a geek club in uni. Most of the club was LGBT/PoC and their favorite game was the Oppression Olympics.

>>89786839
>dumb ignorant american writers that don't know the difference between conservative and right wing,
Implying there is a difference in America with their two party system

>>89785869
They should stop preaching.
Show > tell.

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>Politics in comics: DUDE REPUBLICANS/DUDE WHITE PEOPLE
>Politics in manga: Talks about ideas in a way that whether you read them in 2000 or 2050 they're still relevant because they're trying to do more than just shallowing jump on a hot topic

>>89786854

> As is, nobody can get anything done

it's partly designed to run slowly so that one person couldn't get in power and go all hitler with it.

>>89785869
Most readers dont' complain. They just stop reading/buying

>>89786894
Well maybe we need someone with absolute control. Democracy doesn't work

>>89786883
That's the point.

Obama is farther right than hitler, and Hillary is as far right as Pinochet, literally the only Neo-liberal dictator ever.

>>89786854
Vastly more complex systems run by evil motherfuckers supported by human detritus are already in place to navigate our current complex system, simplifying would bring more people into participation sure but it wouldn't prevent those in power from maintaining their positions i don't think.

>>89786880
The joke is that byrne is a clown and that the joker is a jew and everyone knows that but DC really wants to avoid saying it loud

>>89786919
But we need less people in government.

>>89786786
Not really though the whole "white people are crazy" sentiment runs pretty hard in a lot of places. And Paki glue sniffers probably wouldn't catch on as a stereotype until at least another couple did it like Abbo gas huffers.

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>>89786443
>are far too foolish to ber allowed to participate in democracy
Get out of internet Brysseldrone. Please.

>>89786890
m8, mangas are just as bad as comics on this side. There's wrong and there's right.
If japanese knew how to politics, people living there would be happy.

>>89786393
*unteleports you*
pshh...... nothing personnel..... kid

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>>89786894
No, but it's instead designed so a WHOLE mob of people and their corporate backers are the ones that can go all Hitler with it.

>>89786952
I know that's how it is now, but it should be changed so that one person has all that power

>>89786850
Yes, and I agree 200%. The problem is people like >>89786509 that don't understand that. Unfortunately, that sentiment is rather common.

>>89786640
No they wouldn't, because their countries were violent shitholes before the US got involved.

>>89786980
>m8
>mangas
>Vague nothing comment

Try again, anon.

>>89786982

>No, but it's instead designed so a WHOLE mob of people and their corporate backers are the ones that can go all Hitler with it.

well no because 1778 is a hell of a lot different from 2012 or 2017 or 1980. but i get your point

>>89786890
>trying to do more than just shallowing jump on a hot topic
Spouting vague philosophical drivel about how humans are naturally angry/violent. It isn't particularly worth bragging about.

>>89787006
>being a weeb
>needing anything concrete to be proven wrong

Try again, anon.

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>>89786890
>Politics in manga: GLORIOUS NIPPON ALL OTHER NATIONS CAN POLITICS CAN NOT COMBINE
And then there are rare cases like Akemetsu who says that the solution to a collapsed economy and corruption is to violently murder everyone involved in said collapse and corruption.

>>89786786
This is just an easy tool to deflect all criticism. Stupid excuses like:

>Some muslim man may honor kill his daughter but there was some crazy white guy a few years ago who did something similar
>So honor killings can't be specific problem muslim problem.
>Don't talk about it, you racist.

>>89787076
Considering how homogeneous Japan is, they're actually fairly..well fair when it comes to involving other countries.
>>89787053
>Vague
Nothing vague about something like GoTS which blows away any cartoon or comic the west has made

>>89787076
Actually when it comes to Japanese media they either treat the US like a joke or treat it like the greatest country ever.

>>89787112
>Nothing vague about something like GoTS which blows away any cartoon or comic the west has made
Ghost in the Shell? You mean V for Vendetta: the anime?

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>>89787005
>>89787005
>their countries became violent shitholes when the US got involved.
Hint; Radical islam is a US-funded means of toppling democratically-elected nations in the middle east in favor of Pro-US regimes that, spoiler alert, turn out to be not-so Pro-US.

Don't forget, Bin Laden recieved a western-style education

>>89786890
Most mangas don't care much about the message. They want action and suspense.They don't care if the solutions they accidentally show are questionable.

I still prefer that to western nanny writing.

>>89786910
Calm down, Anakin.

>>89786890
Just like comics, that depends on the writer.
Sometimes you get good political/social commentary, like Franken Fran.
Other times, you might get shit like GATE.

Will you watch this show, /co/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LzggK5DRBA

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>>89787165
You either have no idea what Ghost in The Shell is about or have no idea what V for Vendetta is about.
Either way is that is least accurate comparison I have ever seen in my life.

>>89786518

Here is what happened.

For a bunch of different reasons converging on each other, the political climate in America has been really toxic for a while. There isn't actually any liberal party in America, by the standards of most of the rest of the world the Democrats would be the Right and the Republicans are the Far Right. We have no left. This means that our political ecosystem isn't stable, we don't balance back and forth around the middle anymore, we just keep drifting further and further right.

The two party system, and considering any third party to be a laughing stock not worth our time, means that any time one party takes a stance the other party is basically obligated to take the opposing stance. Everything becomes a partisan issue, even if it shouldn't be one. And the two parties we have are so constantly at each others throat that after Obama got elected it was somehow deemed acceptable that the Republican strategy for the next 8 years was 'what if we pretended he wasn't really president and just didn't let him DO anything?'

And interwoven with all of the above is the fact that our constant campaign system, and deregulation of campaign finance and inclusion of superPACs, means that corporate money and wealthy investors get to choose our candidates. We only get to pick from the options they give us first, so they stack the deck.

The cumulative effect of all of this is that Washington politics have drifted further and further away from what the American people actually care about. Its all special interests, self aggrandizing legislation for campaign fuel, partisan dickwaving or internal politic shell games. This applies to both sides, just in different ratios. And the American people are getting increasingly sick of it.

>>89786715
>"Da white privilege"
I understand you don't like to acknowledge but white privilege is and has always been a thing. Complaining about it doesn't mean it's not valid.

>>89787165
>Ghost in the Shell? You mean V for Vendetta: the anime?
What did he mean by this?
>>89787177
>>89787183
Okay let me restate: Comics and manga aimed at older audience.
Cause shit like GATE is literally for pre-teens while Franken Fran is 18+

>>89787170
Nope the arab world was fucked even before WW1.

How many liberal comics does /pol/ have to read before they stop spamming /co/?

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>>89787186
Yeah okay, anon.

>>89787199
>All white people should feel guilt for what they've done throughout history
>But the good stuff you get from your ancestors aren't shared among all of you, so it's privilege

>>89787248
hmmmm yes
making up your own definition of a subject and bashing it
a bit old school but still respectable

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>>89787233
Yeah I'm not talking about the anime you fucking retard.
I'm talking about the movie. The thing that actually made the franchise famous globally and put anime as a medium on the forefront?

>>89787283
I didn't give a definition for white privilege, excellent reading comprehension and grammar like usual tumblr.

>>89786786
And if a white woman doesn't wear a hijab in a primarily muslim country she'll be utterly ostracized or even killed.

What's your point?

>>89787291
>GiTS blows away any cartoon or comic the west has made
>I'm not talking about the anime
?????

>>89787199
Literally every single racial group has privilege according to the definition and theory leftists professors use. You could go down to the black homeless man with four teeth, 8 toes and a lacy eye and call him privileged.

>>89786443
If you're so holier than us, why did you need to fuck off from your home country in the first place?

>>89785869
>Nakia dropping truth bombs
is the only kind I can tolerate, her characters was established from day one.

>>89787344
That's a terrible example.

>>89787330
Ghost in the Shell the movie from 1995 is an anime but it is not THE anime.
The anime series (which there are like three by the way) came out later and are by different writer/directors.

The movie is what I'm talking about, if I was bringing up the anime I would have said their subtitle like Stand Alone Complex or whatever.

So because you're a fucking idiot I'll re-state;
The Ghost in The Shell movie blows away any comic or cartoon the west has made and the philosophical themes and questions are still relevant to this day.

>>89786890
>Politics in comics: DUDE REPUBLICANS/DUDE WHITE PEOPLE
>Politics in manga: DUDEO, JAPAN NO COMMIT WAR CRIME, FILTHY GANJIN GOOK MAKING UP LIES OF GLORIOUS NIPPON

Readers today are fucking pussies. If Garth Ennis is a pretty political guy and if wrote half of the shit he did today this board would be calling him a race traitor and a cuck.

>>89787376
Explain how then.

>>89787191

Trump stormed through the primaries because he promised to shake things up and rattle the establishment, and he gained a foothold against the other candidates because the Republican party has been weak and internally divided for years. The Reps were divided into something like 4 internal factions all claiming to be the 'one true republican party' even before Trump showed up, and that division left them without the immune system to keep Trump out. That, and he knows how to play the social media game better than any of the other candidates, he controlled the conversation the entire election even if the conversation was mostly about how awful he was.

Hillary, meanwhile, strongarmed the DNC because she had spent the last 8 years building her board state, preparing for this election. And she was going to be damned if she didn't run as the democratic nominee. The problem was she was still running like it was 8 years ago, and the fact that Trump was her opponent made her overconfident because like everyone else she didn't think he could win. She didn't respond to the growing resentment that the American people have been feeling towards being ignored by their government, and she wasn't the right candidate to run for this election.

So it turned into a choice between the Washington insider who represents another 4 years of not really listening to you, or the outsider who promises he is going to make things different. For people who have felt left out and left behind, that's enough to push them towards Trump because the current system is already failing them, so they feel they have little to lose and Trump makes big promises.

Russia probably helped Trump win too, but even assuming that is true its just Russian taking advantage of an already present shitstorm to get the result they want. They didn't create the mess in the first place.

>>89786970
No one said white people are crazy. Who are you even arguing with?

>>89787078
Regardless, what I said was true. What the comic said was true. How about you save your ire for actually untrue statements.

>>89787312
>gives reasonable justification for the statement in the comics
>lol, that isn't even relevant, what's relevant is that muslims kill women! That's what we are talking about, not comics and cartoons!
What did anon mean by this?

>>89787179
From my point of view the senate is evil!

>>89787394
>>Politics in manga: DUDEO, JAPAN NO COMMIT WAR CRIME, FILTHY GANJIN GOOK MAKING UP LIES OF GLORIOUS NIPPON
Post one example

>>89785869
Is that the thing that triggered you this week? You fuckers get more sensitive every day.

>>89787400
Of which he, of course, was both.

>>89787420
GATE

>>89786890
You're cherry picking

>>89787199
>but white privilege is and has always been a thin
Tell that to the irish, itallians or slavs.

The whole idea of "lack of disadvantages" = privilege is cancerous .
It's bad for the "privileged" and the "under privileged". It shifts the burden and this isn't a solution. It never worked.

>>89787440
GATE is originally a light novel, not a manga.

>>89786053
>Immigrants have to work so hard for whitey
>But whitey just sits in the corner sniffing glue

That's a pretty political and ignorant statement from someone who obviously never watched Charlie Day's character on Always Sunny.

>>89787413
>What did anon mean by this?
That "white privilege" only exists in primarily white countries because, big fucking surprise, they're primarily white countries. Why should we bend over for minorities and feel bad that our race founded and built the country we live in?

>>89785869
God that's awful. If anything it puts up a good argument against taking refugees. Why should we take all the brown window lickers if we have our own to deal with?

>>89787456
As if those groups have ever been marginalized.

>>89785869
But she's right. What possible reason could you have to be mad at this? She's not insulting white people, she's just pointing out that if white people screw up society sees it as their own fault, while if a minority screws up it's the entire group's fault. The same thing happens in cultures all over the world.

>>89787456
Whiteness is a social construct. Hispanics are now becoming white as they become more of a majority group, and soon Asians will probably be considered white too.
Hell they kind of already are - when SJW's talk about how they need "diversity in tech" it's really just "we need more black people".

>>89787489
You'll also notice that only white are held to the standard of being sinners for being a majority.

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>>89787170
The whole muhajiddeen deal was just Vietnam in reverse, with Soviets being the attacking superpower and US aiding forces fighting them.

Really makes you think that Vietnamese didn't do pretty much anything after Vietnam war and pulling out of war like that triggered a political collapse in Soviet Union but not in USA

>>89787489
They didn't mention "white privelege". You are dragging your arguments with SJWs to where they aren't even applicable. What, the, comic, said, is, correct. People like making generalizations. That's it. You can't disagree with that.

>>89787489
>feel bad that our race founded and built the country we live in?
Nobody wants you to feel bad about white people founding America. Nobody wants you to feel bad about anything but your own actions, if you as a white person have no prejudices, then you shouldn't feel bad.

>>89787540
Diversity only ever means blacks or women.

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>>89787350
Because I have no reason to; I'm at home. I moved to england with my parents when I was eight and America when I was 14. I speak a perfect American accent and strangely enough, I adopted it quicker than an english one because American entertainment is fucking everywhere. Of all the people I'm friends with, about six of them know I'm not from America.

Why go back to Ukraine where I will have a shitty quality of life? I'm perfectly comfortable and pretty well off with a decent job with a half-decent salary, 401k, and everything, and plenty of cash left over to fuel my gunpla addiction. I'm just as American as you are, only probably less of a fucking retard.

>>89787564
>Nobody wants you to feel bad about anything but your own action
Maybe true for you, but you are down right ignorant if you aren't aware of a very large and vocal group of people who treat whites have a hivemind and believe all whites are guilty for slavery and whatever else.

>>89787606
>a very large
Not really

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>>89787508
>As if those groups have ever been marginalized.

Muahahhaa. Google "Irish political cartoon".

>>89787408
It was also part of Hillary's strategy to legitimise Trump as the opposition. This was before he won the primaries.

She wanted Trump to win the primaries because he would be "easier" opposition. Turned out fucking great for her, as you can tell.

So not only did Hillary fuck over the leftie people by committing genuine voter fraud against Bernie, but by giving us Trump as an actual candidate.

And people were surprised when she lost.

The fact is the matter is: People acting like the choice between Trump and somebody who has committed voter fraud is a hard one is a huge problem that is going to have very real consequences in our lifetime. Even more so that people are crying fascism at the fact the person who committed the fraud lost. Or crying fascism at the concept of old people voting to remove themselves from a union, arguing to take away their right to vote. Or crying fascism that some people are allowed to say certain things.

People have forgotten what fascism is and that's terrifying.

>>89787541
For fucks sake, there is no "sin" in being a majority, the sin is when you are prejudiced against others just because they belong to a different group.

>>89785869
No you stupid cunt. The "apple pie" (white male) kid is shunned because Western culture rejects glue sniffing. You're shunned because your god-cult interprets its bronze age fairy tale book as a something to base politics and culture and has raped its way across Europe like a plague of locusts.

Killing infidels is in Sharia. Glue sniffing is not in the Constitution.

>>89787661
>committing genuine voter fraud against Bernie
But she didn't. She has many flaws, but voter fraud isn't one of them, she didn't need it, Bernie was never gonna win.

>>89787669
That's merely human nature and yet again only whites are being held to a standard where they get called privileged by being in their own countries. Yet they are also the most open to others, although thanks to the treamnent they've received lately it has thankfully begun to turn around.

>>89787687
>Killing infidels is in Sharia.
The majority of immigrants don't give a fuck about Sharia. It's actually the westernized muslims that are pushing it the most.

Honestly, the biggest vice immigrants have is they are FUCKING messy.

>>89785869
For context, she's responding to a girl raised by lesbian parents who's concerned that if she fails people will blame the fact that her parents are homosexual

>>89785869
Without arguing about the politics at hand, I will explain how to make a political statement in a smart and respectable way that can never be, 'too political.'

Build the statement into the story itself.
Never present only one solution.
Never present only one valid viewpoint.

That's all you have to do, there are political statements in Breaking Bad, but they're done in a subtle way you would have to understand the full context of what's being said to even get the deeper reference. If you just follow those three rules, all you'll have to worry about is outrageously ignorant people on both sides, instead of Leftists, Moderates, Right-wing and the outrageously ignorant on both sides all hating you.

The greatest example of how /co/ related material can do political commentary is the Simpson's episode, Sideshow Bob Roberts, where neither side is good, but Sideshow Bob is evil. That's the only reason for the characters to care about an obviously rigged and corrupt system.

>>89787199
This is why Trump is going to get eight years. White America is tired of whiteness being something people hold you to like a crime without evidence while the black dindu on wellfare is treated like he's had to fight for everything in his life.

Maybe White people have it better because they do things better? Maybe its because they worked hard and made good grades and applied their skills?

But no. Tell the FUCKING WHITE MALES its because they cheated and rigged the system in their favor. Tell them everything good they ever won for themselves and their families is because of the invisible hand of white privilege.

Give Trump the re-election.

I think it's fine for a comic about a young Muslim woman to talk about the tribulations of being a young Muslim woman.

>>89787700
In trumptard language "voter fraud" can also mean "leaders of the party agreeing before primaries who the shoe in for the party representative during the actual election will be".

Yes, technically it has nothing to do with it but these days who cares what anything really means.

>>89787770
>Never present only one valid viewpoint.
Let's take the OP's scene for instance, what other "valid viewpoint" do you believe should be expressed as a counter-balance?

>>89787661

>People have forgotten what fascism is and that's terrifying.


what is publishing crimes that a minority group has committed to fear monger people?

>>89786786
Except everyone knows she's not really talking about glue sniffing. She's talking about gang-rapes and no-go ghetto zones and terrorist attacks.

>>89787825
this; why are 4chan and Tumblr cancer?

>>89787843
Not voter fraud, violent suppression of free speech or trying to take away other's right to vote.

>>89787802
>Maybe White people have it better because they do things better? Maybe its because they worked hard and made good grades and applied their skills?

Oh yeah, all those red state leeches living off welfare are the real winners of society. And it's the blacks keeping them down.

>>89787802
I know, I'd be irrationally angry too and lashing out if my kind had been gaming the system for 250 years and then suddenly some niggers and women dare to demand fair treatment.

Hell, I'd be so mad I'd vote too vote for a grossly incompetent conman to be the next president.

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>>89787548
>>89787170
I wonder if the Middle East in general would become much better if you didn't have much foreign interference or if countries like Saudi Arabia didn't make such much money off oil.

Like if the oil dried up, SA wouldn't get money to fund terrorist groups, foreign powers would stop getting involved in proxy wars and making the locals hate them, and people would generally leave the place alone.

>>89787112
>>89787186
>>89787291
Ghost in the Shell is literally "Please don't sue me Gibson-Sama" the series. It's stale cyberpunk leftovers warmed up in a microwave that casuals think is new and cool because they don't read books.

>>89787596
Complaining about a system that you say also gave you a high quality of life is pretty insufferable.

>>89785869
Mentioning immigration, apparently.

>>89787770
>Never present only one solution.

Better show no solution because the answers are usually not simple.

>War on drugs
>Israel conflict
>gun violence

If you have a simple solution then you are probably already on the wrong path.

>>89787802
That's how Trump won the youth vote dumb dumb, Trump won the White Middle-Class women vote by promising tax reform, spraying W2 on the Rust Belt, and cleaning out the corruption in DC. If Trump doesn't actually fuifill any of these promises then he will not get the re-election.

>>89787830
I can't tell what's being said from a single panel and at no point did I say OP's comic didn't fulfill the criteria I laid out.

However as >>89787479 said, there doesn't seem to be anyone arguing about how damaging the culture of White Trash people is. There seems to be a broad label put on WHITE culture and ISLAMIC culture. If you're going to expand one then you have to do the other, it can't just be Multi-threaded on one side then WHITE brand Person on the other.

>>89787802
>the black dindu on wellfare is treated like he's had to fight for everything in his life.
You're complaining about white people being demeaned yet here you are, demaning black people as criminals and leeches.
Now think about the outrage and pain you feel because apparently someone thinks you're bad for being white, now imagine how black people must feel when they have to deal with people judging them for being black every day.

>>89787867
because both have to an extent become echo chambers. Tumblr and /pol/ are the worst of these, and Reddit is starting to get up there too.

>>89787540
>becoming
No they've been but race as we treat it is a social construct and changes depending on whoever you ask. Which is why the idea of Hispanic being a race is even an idea in the first place.

>>89787900
If the oil dried up SA would look like Yemen.

>>89787661
I do agree that Trump ultimately won because Hillary was objectively worse but the reason he got there was because he was an outsider who appealed to the people

He might have been the republican candidate but the last thing the GOP wanted was him, hell some would have rather had Hillary but this election wasn't about what the party leaders wanted

>>89787946
>because Hillary was objectively worse
Love this meme.
She was a career politician, just like everyone else on capitol hill.
Are you saying every single senator and congressman is objectively worse than trump?

>>89787888
Aren't those blacks red state leeches too?

CORRECT WAY TO DO POLITICS IN COMICS: Only do politics I agree with

WRONG WAY TO DO POLITICS IN COMICS: Politics I disagree with

There you go OP, I just saved you from a 350+ post thread.

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>>89787850
No, I think she is talking about glue sniffing. There was a white trash kid in my highchool who in the middle of physics class took a permanent marker that was being passed around and started sniffing it deeply. I thought of it the instead she said that in the comic and realized if it was some immigrant kid I would have made a generalization about people from their country.

How about you get mad about what people actually say and do instead of interpreting everything in the one way that will get you the most angry.

>>89787901
>Stale
The series is older than you

>>89787737
>The majority

When 23 percent of anything wants a theocratic system of government you got a big fucking problem on your hands.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey

>>89788000
*instant

>>89787972

>She was a career politician, just like everyone else on capitol hill.

She had a shit ton of scandals and the personality of a paperweight. She was a completely garbage candidate.

>>89787993
You should ghost write for XKCD, you smug prick.

>>89787946
Hillary was terrible, and Trump is only slightly less.
Also, Hillary's people made sure Republican candidates such as Ron Paul and Ben Carson didn't get any coverage cause they knew they would steal votes from the left, and so we got left with Trump and Cruz.

>>89787830
For example: Its also counter intuitive for a prevailing culture to blame itself. So the scenario described isn't intrinsic to america or Islamophobia culture, but rather to any dominating culture in any country.

Or even that this girl is essentially letting herself get pressured into behaving like a perfect person because she fears the opinions of others, which regardless of the culture or political implications, is something typically considered "bad" within shitty high school comics.

>>89788037
So did Trump and he doesn't atleast have experience in the shit

>>89787919
And here's the best argument for why comics shouldn't even have political statements. They take too long to even set up right. Unless your story is directly about these issues and you're willing to set up multiple characters with strong dynamics between each other you're better off dumping your political opinions on twitter.

>>89787993
How didn't we see it? How could we be so foolish not to realize?!

>>89788064
>>89788072

You can't seriously tell me that every argument isn't just that.

>>89788034
I guess the bible belt in America are a "big fucking problem on your hands".

>>89785869
they've already done it

>>89788000
>I thought of it the instead she said that in the comic and realized if it was some immigrant kid I would have made a generalization about people from their country.
You sound pretty racist and stupid brodog.

>>89788064

Trump didn't have any kind of political scandals beyond saying bad things. And he actually had a personality unlike Hillary.

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>>89787908
I'm not complaining about the system. I think the system is GRRREAT in concept.

I'm complaining about the citizens that have no idea how to use it to improve their country, and voting for the absolute JOKES of politicians that get nominated on the Right and Left (and I'm not just talking about this election, either.) I'm complaining about people that buy everything the media and their own confirmation bias tells them to. It's like the anti-vaxxers, but on a national level.

I think America can be great again, better than it ever was, but you can be damned sure that Trump's administration aren't the ones that will do it and Hillary had absolutely no means doing it either. Neither candidate had any promises or policies that would have any sort of positive effect on this nation.

>>89788094
>There's a problem locally! Why don't you want to bring in more of the same problem with a different coat of paint? Clearly by bringing this up I'm showing off how hypocritical you are.

I mean the bible belt legitimately is an issue, especially for people living in it.

>>89788136
He has a rape case against him.

Fuck off to /pol/ if you want to discuss politics.

>>89787972
>baggage from the Clinton administration
>baggage from the Obama administration
>multiple scandals, some of which she was still involved in during the election
>2nd Clinton when people thought that a 2nd and 3rd Bush is a terrible idea
>terrible campaign to top it off, I can't think of a single stance or promise she had, her fucking slogan was the meaningless "I'm with her"
>everyone was operating under the assumption that she was 4 more years of Obama when people want change; parties usually don't hold the white house for 3 straight terms

I'm not talking about whether she's a good or bad person or whether she would have been better or worse then Trump, I'm saying she was an awful pick for a candidate and had an even worse campaign

"Oh, but she'll win because she's not Trump" said the talking heads

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>>89787185
>That dislike bar and comments
Future looks brighter every day

>>89788008
It's actually not.

All its themes were already played out in science fiction books before the NES was even a thing. It's plot is "Neuromancer but instead of being criminals the cast is made of cops"

>>89787420
Concrete Revolutio. The ironic thing is that it ALMOST seemed like they were aiming for a message about how Japan whitewashes their historic and continued mistreatment of Ainu, but then they werrn't.

>>89788204

Which most people wrote off as bullshit.

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>>89788203
I'm just pointing out that half the shit said against muslims can apply to christians. As a Christian, hearing "da mudslims want religious laws" while the people shouting this shit want the same thing gets old after a while....

>>89788204
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-Y0dTNH7Ns

>>89788209
As long as comic books and cartoons have political themes, we should be allowed to discuss politics.
Also, it's not possible to have a legitimate discussion on pol since it's alt right headquarters now.

>>89788094
>>89788203
The Bible Belt doesn't want their old testament laws to be the supreme law of the land. They're big on 'muh constitution" after all. Neither do the Jews in America.

23 percent of British Muslims literally want Sharia. They literally want old testament law.

Can you not see how that's different?

>>89788136
>Trump didn't have any kind of political scandals beyond saying bad things.

Only because Trump has no political history at all. Its true he has no scandals, but its just as true to say he has no successes either.

>>89788304
They're less explosive about it

>>89788273
I know, but they're actual legit publicly available documents on the ongoing trial.

It's not propaganda. It's an actual case. Whether or not the allegations are true is another story, but the fact that it exists and nobody cased (and many don't even know about) does not mean it's not a scandal.

>>89788322

>The Bible Belt doesn't want their old testament laws to be the supreme law of the land.

It took how long for gay marriage to happen and you're saying this?

>>89786274
Yeah this. It fits with these characters. Especially since Nakia is kinda born again so she's probably more sensitive to shit.

Where as >>89786046 was a short story detour in the middle of an arc that didn't have anything to do with the arc. It wasn't necessarily out of character because she was sent to the rally by her boss, an online news site, but it was completely real politics in a fantasy world and just garbage. Same with the Obama and Trudeau stufff. Unsolicited opinions. Trump Modok. It's all takes you out of the story.

The Kamala voting issue was better because at least it was in terms of her universe. Even if the villain/good guy candidates were set up so black and white but not as satire.

The Flintstones is hugely political but it's all in universe and satires everything.

>>89788136
He has plenty of other scandals that should put his personality, trustworthiness, financial honesty, and general strength of character up to question.

>>89788379

The difference is that it's easy to say "yeah whatever she's lying", compared to all of clinton's scandals which are well documented and 100% without a doubt happened. It's easy for people to shrug off the rape case and say the accuser is just lying, it isn't easy for people shrug off the email scandal.

>>89788430
Yes, but most Americans are too stupid to remember the fact that Trump spent decades being a living joke, sexual predator and open shyster before reinventing himself as a reality TV star.

>>89788322
>don't want gays to be allowed to marry cause some shit in the old testament
>don't want abortion legal because muh life at conception was in da bibble
>want prayers in school
>against birth control because muh bible says sex after marriage only!

What ever you say mang.

>>89788397
>Muh gay marriage

First of all, do you see what Islamic countries do to homosexuals? The majority of muslim immigrants don't just want to outlaw gay marriage, they want to make homosexuality a punishable crime.

Second the worst Christian fundies want is to ban gay marriage and keep prayer in schools. The worst Muslim fundies want is to hang fags from cranes.

You know how many people Westerbero Baptist have killed? You know how few people joined them? You know how they were shunned and ridiculed by mainstream Christians?

Christianity has had several generations of softening, reform, deism, and biblical scholarship that takes the edge off its bronze age nonsense.

Islam doesn't, It's a disgusting death cult that hates music, puppies, sex, and bacon.

Christianity>>>>>>>Islam

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>>89788515
You clearly have never heard a member of the bible belt talk about homosexuals, can't tell you how many times i've heard shit along the lines of "all the faggots should be dragged out into the street and shot."

also, here's your (You)

>>89787514
But also completely in an America-centric view. It's the same for white people in non-white countries. Also mixed race people in non-white countries. It' show people roll, for better or worse.

>>89788510
Muslims literally want all that as well but MORE.

At best your argument is "We already have odious religious radicals. What's wrong with a few more?" Which is like saying "Our country already has criminals. What's wrong with a few more?"

That's at best. And it requires you to perfectly equate Western Christianity with Islam. Which I don't see. Islam takes the flaws of Western Religion and takes it to an extreme.

>>89788594
>Guys shit talking gays
vs
>Orlando

Go fuck yourself in the neck mudslime apologist. In Christian countries gays aren't stoned to death. In Islamic countries they are. There's no comparison here.

>>89788620
What a compelling overgeneralization.

>>89788594
Talk isn't actions, anon. If I fantasize about putting a flamethrower on my car to kill people who cut me off it doesn't mean I want to make it legal to do so.

>>89788620
His point is that we shouldn't be jumping at the distant threat of Islam when the very real threat of radicalized Americans is already boiling over into crisis territory.

>>89788620
>all muslims are radicals
thats the vibe i'm getting here. Also, Islam is based on "Western Religion". Judaism came first, followed by Christianity, followed by Islam. The flaws of Islam can be found in all Abrahamic religions.

>>89788665
That's just a function of that part of the world still having more violent authorities and tribalist beliefs in general.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014

>>89788665
>>89788671
Only difference between gays being killed in "Christian" countries and Muslim ones is that the law doesn't support it. Yet. Let the radicals govern our countries like they do in the Middle East and we will see it.

>>89788699
You have never been to a Muslim country, have you? Women have no rights, 0.

In the bible belt, Gay people can marry, they can own businesses, women can work any job they want, they can own a business, they walk in whatever clothing they wish, they can initiate a divorce and after they can keep the kids.

To walk the streets of Halfar Al Batan, and Atlanta inside of a week is perspective changing.

>>89788841
You can thank separation of church and state for that, sonny. Don't give fundamentalists a damn inch in government, or else they'll take it all.

>>89785869
>comes from a culture that literally bans female education and prevents women from speaking in public
>protects that culture while speaking in public about her experiences in education
wew lass

>>89788681
>Very real threat of radicalized Americans

You mean Antifa? Because even Antifa hasn't killed people yet.

Muslims HAVE.

>>89788699
>"Not all Muslims"

Of course "not all Muslims". Does that mean they don't bring trouble with them when they migrate in mass? Sweden is the rape capitol of Europe because of Muslims. "Not all Nazis' killed people. "Not all Communists" killed people. They were just people with ideas who wanted to live their lives in peace and were content with an active minority of their group actively carrying out the tenements of their belief system.

>>89788699
Christianity and Judaism have a history of reform and reinterpreation that Islam does not. They have a history of philosophers slowly blending humanism with religion. Islam is still stuck debating the succession of the religion after Mohamed. They're stuck where Christianity was at the time of Constantine and that is very, very scary.

>>89788908
Which is why 23 percent of immigrants saying they want Sharia law is very troubling.

>>89789007
there's only been a hand full of Nobel winners from Muslim nations and every single one was either killed or exiled for it

>>89785869
Mockingbird and Angela Queen of Hel seem to be good indicators.

>>8978621
Fuck you.

>>89786295
>>89786509
>>89786541
>>89786715
>>89787005

Fuck you guys too.

>>89786880
If you spent time around LGBT/PoC with similar interests to yourself and were never able to understand why they said they felt oppressed, you spent the whole time ignoring them when they were asking for help. So Fuck you.

>>89790269
>LGBT/PoC
No they aren't all whiney tumblr bitches.

>>89788167
Trump will be the most successful president in 50 years

And you? You'll still be a slav.

>>89787596
>I'm as American as you

It's funny how immigrants always think this regardless of race. No, you will never be as American as people whose families made this country into a place of desirable immigration for parasites like you.

>>89787843
>minority group

You mean non-citizens who cause crimes? That minority group?

>>89787005
False.

>>89787078
Except the honor killing muslim would get more story than the honor killing white guy to push the agenda that "muh sharia" and "muh radicals"

>>89790956
>if I say false maybe I can bait someone into wasting time explaining the decline and fracturing of the Ottoman Empire

>>89787248
>>All white people should feel guilt for what they've done throughout history

Said no one with a thinking brain ever

>>89790997
>>89790956
samefag samefag searching for yous

>>89790783
You're confusing immigrants and refugees, not that I'm sure you know the difference between those two terms.

Plenty of immigrants in American History went on to contribute greatly to what we have now aa modern American society, and still do. My folks were immigrants from Laos; my father's a doctor and my mother is an english teacher.

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Sure is comics and cartoons in here.