The 'Batman' Movie Gets New Script, New Director, And

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>>89784978
>It's true Affleck's public statement (see below) insists he wants to make the film and will star in it, but he made similarly firm remarks just three weeks ago on Jimmy Kimmel Live! when asked if he was still directing the film. We've all learned it's impossible to take such public denials or assertions at face value every time, since the demands of the big-budget business of cinema realistically require playing cards close to the chest. Here is Affleck's full statement announcing his departure as director:


>"There are certain characters who hold a special place in the hearts of millions. Performing this role demands focus, passion and the very best performance I can give. It has become clear that I cannot do both jobs to the level they require. Together with the studio, I have decided to find a partner in a director who will collaborate with me on this massive film. I am still in this, and we are making it, but we are currently looking for a director. I remain extremely committed to this project, and look forward to bringing this to life for fans around the world."


>The story for The Batman originally included the assassin Deathstroke as a main villain, with Joe Manganiello cast in the role, as well as a few other likely villainous appearances by characters including the Joker, according to sources familiar with the project. Jared Leto, who portrayed the Joker in Suicide Squad, has for months expressed his displeasure about the removal of substantial portions of his performance from the final cut of the film, raising questions about whether he would return to the role in future movies. He seems to have softened his stance lately and appears interested in a possible return, but whether he will ultimately be part of The Batman or Gotham City Sirens remains to be seen.

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>>89784995
>With scripting duties and directing demands off his shoulders, Affleck will have more time to commit to overcoming the exhaustion and frustrations that became a problem for him recently after a demanding schedule that included Batman v Superman, Suicide Squad, The Accountant, Justice League, and Live By Night. Acting in all five of those films, plus doing scripting and editing duties on a few as well, and of course serving as writer-director-actor for Live By Night, put a strain on Affleck and made it difficult for him to focus on the screenplay for The Batman. Besides his work in those films, he also traveled around the country and world doing press junkets to promote most of the films, all of this while dealing with personal issues that added to his stress.

>However, while the changes to The Batman seem to provide more breathing room and time to relax and refocus his efforts, the reverse side of that coin is quite simply that pressures dramatic enough to necessitate such a dramatic step-back could also be inherently serious enough to pose problems going forward, at least in the interim. Especially in light of the fact performing as Batman is something he's had a few years of experience with already now, and since rumors continue to spread that there is more going on than meets the eye -- rumors that gain traction when we can't be sure how long public assurances will last and when the rollout of information comes slowly and in small doses instead of ripping the bandaid off quickly.

>>89785021
>If Affleck and Warner had spent the last few weeks noting Affleck's schedule and the particularly important needs of The Batman might necessitate him bringing in a collaborator, and if the remarks about the script had admitted Terrio was being sought to help get the script into shape for production, those frank admissions would've removed the seeming veil of secrecy and appearance of damage-control-mode, and the announcement of Affleck quitting the directing job wouldn't have seemed quite so sudden or huge. Now, we face another round of slow leaks, with word about continued script problems and the possible need for the new creative team to go back to the drawing board, and rumors that Affleck might continue slowly stepping away from the project.

>This could all be solved by a simple announcement that a new director coming onto the project means the studio and Affleck are postponing further script development so they can work closely with the director on a unified vision, and that the extra time will let Affleck regain the focus he needs while teaming him with the best director and writers possible to get the project on firm ground. When it comes in bits and pieces that contradict one another and seem to reveal previously undisclosed developments, then it gives the impression -- fair or not -- that there is no coherent plan, and that the process is entirely reactive instead of proactive.

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>>89785036
>It's also not really fair to put all of the responsibility for these changes on Affleck's shoulders. Warner wanted Affleck to delay Live By Night so the DCU projects could be prioritized and filmed almost non-stop for several years, creating a dual situation of long production schedules for Affleck in the bat-cowl while leaving him far less time to focus on his labor of love, Live By Night (which I'll continue to note is in fact a great movie despite the obstacles Affleck faced getting it into production and ready for release); Warner made the decision to demand editing changes in Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad that caused a lot of the negative critical receptions for those movies, setting up a year of unfortunate media coverage that inevitably contributes to any artist's mood and energy level going forward on related projects; and Warner pushed for a faster production schedule for The Batman, despite Affleck's repeated public and private remarks expressing uncertainty about meeting those expectations.

>My point is, there are lots of factors that led us to this moment, and while most reporting has focused on Affleck himself, it's a mistake to set up a scenario where the delays and changes -- and Affleck's departure as director -- are all framed as entirely his doing. And if he does choose to eventually bow out of the performance, it will be important to understand that the same array of factors from various directions, due to various players, will be behind it all. Everyone had their own reasons, there were unforeseen events, there were unintended consequences, and there's the simple fact everyone involved are human beings who get tired and change their minds sometimes and have to respond to realities around them.

>>89785068
>That the script would need more rewrites, particularly with a new director joining the picture, was a given. How extensive the process will be -- I'm hearing anything from "major rewrites" to "a completely new script," including starting from scratch on the story if that's what it takes -- is unclear, not just to us but probably to those involved as well, since the new filmmaker might look at the story and script and decide there's plenty to salvage that appeals to them. Once the director is in place, more will become clear, but for now Warner Bros. is suffering far more negative perceptions than they need to, simply because of the attempt to slow and control the spread of information. The fear this causes and the speculation arising from that fear is far worse than whatever reaction resulted from putting the current known information out there for public consumption. Likewise, the more the press and public get the impression they can't trust public statements and the more the flow of information is slowed and controlled, the more it feeds the perception that larger problems loom for the DCU.

>If Affleck stays on as lead actor, then this is actually an easy fix if the studio takes it slow, is open about the problems on the front end instead of fueling speculation and concern, and focuses on the relatively easy task of getting a great director and great writer to take all the time they need to pick the right story and then develop a great screenplay. There's more than enough talent involved and available to do this, and since we're likely looking at a release date in 2019 anyway (assuming things get on track now and there aren't further major delays), there's no need to rush it.

>>89784978
>Affleck not directing.
>Terrio rewriting the script.

Hope is dead.

>>89785094
>They can spend the next year and several months letting the creative team focus on finding a story and writing a script for The Batman, and still have another year and several months to shoot it and get it ready for release by July 2019. If Ben Affleck is even just possibly -- on the low end of odds -- going to depart as actor, there is plenty of time to put together a list of replacement actors who could take over. That doesn't have to happen, but being ready for all outcomes would be a good idea at this point.

>As I've said many times, I am a huge fan of Affleck's work and want him to be Batman, and I was very sad to see him depart as director. My heart broke a little when he quit as director, and it will break again if he walks away from the cowl altogether. But Batman is bigger than any one filmmaker or actor, and the most important thing is to get this project on the right footing and move forward with confidence. That's why I think the best option now would be clearing the air and ripping the bandaid off, making sure that Affleck is either 100% committed to at least making this one more movie as Batman OR letting him go ahead and state his intention to leave while remaining as producer and helping with the transition team until they are all in place and up to speed.

>The project can survive either way, and meanwhile the priorities have to be: giving Wonder Woman the best promotion possible; building up anticipation and buzz for Justice League through the rest of the year; getting Aquaman ready and into production while making certain it's on the firmest footing possible; and getting Gotham City Sirens ready and into production in the same way to ensure it's as good as it can be. Those should be their main focuses this year, along with setting up The Batman team.

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>>89785120
>For the rest of the DCU projects, wait to see how things go for this year's slate of films -- we all know that regardless of what plans are made for Flash, Cyborg, Green Lantern in the coming months, it could all change depending on how things go when Wonder Woman and Justice League are released.

>There's no point in constantly assembling teams and plans, only to rush around amending or changing them as events overtake everything with each new film's release. If it were possible to just stick to the plans regardless of reactions to the other films, then that'd be one thing, but we simply know that won't be the case. Thus these changes wind up fueling fear and negative perceptions that only worsen whatever negative reviews or coverage is already out there, perpetuating a bad situation and compounding the problems exponentially. So avoid it entirely by being patient, moving ahead on these few films, and waiting to see how things develop in June and November.

>Two films this year, two films next year in 2018 (if Gotham City Sirens can get into good shape without rushing), and The Batman having a great new creative team to develop it in plenty of time for 2019 is a solid plan. If over the course of this year reactions to Wonder Woman and Justice League are good enough that a Flash-Cyborg project -- The Flash is already being rewritten by Joby Harold and will wind up with its third director sometime this year, in hopes of getting into production by next Spring -- can be developed to everyone's satisfaction, it'll have more than enough time to come together and complete production in time for an August or November 2019 release after The Batman. Trying to push too many of these things when so much is uncertain, with constant reactive changes, is what created most of these problems already. It makes sense to slow down and put maximum effort into a smaller set of projects to establish a better reputation and base from which to go forward with other films.

>>89785137
>And for the record, I'm personally increasingly convinced The Flash should become a Titans project, with not only Cyborg but also Nightwing and Batgirl involved, to turn 2019 into a "year of the Bat" in which we get several bat-themed movies to celebrate the 80th anniversary of Batman's first appearance in comics. I've even come to think it might be best to also go slower with Gotham City Sirens and release that movie in 2019 as well, and just accept that Aquaman will be the DCU's ambassador for 2018. This might upset some fans, but it turns 2019 into a year in which all three of those potential projects -- Titans, The Batman, and Gotham City Sirens -- could include subplots that tie them all together in a neat little bat-package to celebrate Batman's anniversary.

>Regardless of the specific timing for those films, it's clear that Warner needs to really finally put together a small group of people fully empowered to come up with a well-developed game plan for the DCU overall. Their mission should be as follows: selecting the characters to be used and dividing them into their own corners (the bat-family for example is ripe for some great exploitation in various team-ups and spinoffs for years, as does the Superman family or the Shazam character base, and so on); figuring out the ideal concepts and stories around which the characters' films and eventual crossovers should be based; and using all of that as a basic framework and outline to guide the selection of various collaborative teams for each project. This doesn't have to be carved in stone with details for every story, just a few key stories from source material to provide guidance for where each character's own path is headed and where the overall DCU is headed.

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>Take time to talk to several directors and writers, figure out who works best together and want to work together on which projects, and then give them time to go write their story ideas and plan things. When they're done, approve or modify those story plans, and greenlight them only if and when everything seems solid and is proceeding as needed. This is the way to have a larger DCU overarching story and connective tissue while letting all of the projects focus on stories derived from the best source material options, in a form giving wide creative latitude to the directors and writers to explore their own visions within a simple but clear set of expectations (like the Bond franchise, for example).

>And all the while, respect the privacy and need for some secrecy while stories are developed, but don't try to hide disagreements or avoid revelations of problems. This is art, it's a creative process, but it's also a multi-billion dollar business, so disagreements and problems are bound to happen and only become bigger stories that provoke worse press and speculation if and when the facts are obscured or clouded by confusion and reluctant admissions. It's easier to put positive spin on bad news if you just admit it outright, treat it as no big deal, and point to the positives and how you're going to address the issue.

>Warner's been doing this a long time, so of course they know all of this already. The problem is that it has seemed, for various reasons, like lately they haven't been sure how to apply these obvious and simple truths to the DCU, even while they do their usual great job of it with other projects and franchises. And often, they were too quick to try to solve problems that weren't necessarily problems, or that were problems on the way to working themselves out already.

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Just end it. Just let it end. Let the contracts end, wait a bit, then start again. Please.

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>>89785174
>A few minor changes in the past -- releasing the original director's theatrical cuts of Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad, waiting to announce Ben Affleck as director on The Batman until a finished script was in hand and he was firmly contractually committed to direct it, going slower with The Flash and not hiring directors when the screenplay wasn't in the best shape to proceed (the fact it's being rewritten now despite the lack of a new director at the helm is a sign the studio is moving in a different direction with it at their own discretion) -- would've resulted in better critical reception for the released films, less appearance of constant changes in leadership on upcoming projects, and less impression of trouble behind the scenes due to uncertainty about how to proceed with these huge properties.

>The DCU is a vast library of properties and stories dating back nearly 80 years, with a jumbled internal history containing an endless assortment of great stories from which to pull inspiration. Taking all of that, finding the right combinations for each of a dozen or more characters, and then making it all work together in a way that's faithful enough to please the fans, critics, and mainstream audiences who don't read comic books is surely an immense task few people could be expected to handle without some bumps in the road.

>But look, let's be frank -- Marvel did it, and did it to near-perfection (I don't want a Marvel vs DC debate here; I love both, but even if you don't like Marvel, there's no rational way to deny Marvel has done a superb job translating their comic book universe to the big screen correctly and effectively with enormous success), and Warner has done it to near-perfection with individual characters many times in the past.

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>>89785233
>Early Superman movies, most Batman movies, and Watchmen (which remains one of the true masterpieces of the genre) for example are all pretty commonly praised today, even if we can debate the merits of the current DCU pictures. So it can be done, and done to acclaim.

>So getting the DCU right takes time and takes a lot of work, but it's not hard to figure out how to get it right and all of the tools necessary to do it are readily available. Time and advance planning are the two ingredients that seem to be most important right now, and that have been in shorter supply during the period of studio reactions to early negative press. There are hundreds of millions of dollars tied up in each of these films, people's careers and reputations are on the line, and there's billions of dollars in revenue on the table waiting to be had, so the reasons for the stress and some of these bumps are obvious. But that's all the more reason to invest in the time and planning to make the best use of the huge library of great material and characters and decades of history at their disposal, because that's the obvious and easy recipe that takes care of all of those concerns about the investments and careers and reputations and revenue. That's the ONLY answer, the ONLY combination, in fact, that works.

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>>89785251
>Making a great Batman movie that Ben Affleck wants to be part of shouldn't be painful or cause headaches and grief. Getting a fantastic director who wants to make such a movie should be a snap, they should be lining up at the door to ask for that job. Sketching out a rough outline for a few Batman movies -- including spinoff potential for a larger bat-world with Gotham City Sirens, Nightwing, Batgirl, Robin, Suicide Squad, and the Teen Titans -- should be an exciting and interesting and fairly obvious, simple process. It's only hard right now because of a series of snowballing events that were avoidable and in retrospect should be easy to avoid recurring in the future. The path is obvious, the map readily available. I hope that despite the unfortunate developments with The Batman, the silver lining will be an eagerness to turn this into an opportunity to use that map for vigorous planning.

>>89784978
starting with BvS and going straight into JL was a mistake
at this rate they should just scrap it all and make stand-alone things for other characters
finish Black Adam/Shazam then do Metal Men or Plastic Man
or Flex Mentallo

Live By Night suuuuuuuucked and the Accountant was a sluggish mess.

>Be me watching premier of The Batman with Ben Affleck himself in the theatre
>Good movie so far, pure kinography
>Cut to dark shadowy corridor
>Hear "AHHHHHHH AHHHHHH AHHHHHHHhhhh....well if it isnt my favorite HONKA HONKA"
>Audience explodes into laughter
>Ben standa up and spills spaghetti out of his now ill fitting jeans "I...t's not supposed to be funn..y j..ust watch!!"
>Theatre quiets to a simmer
>Batfleck reaches deepest part of Arkham
>It's Deathstroke waiting for him, the wolf from True Blood puts his entire being into the delivery of his opening lines "GRRR A HURNEMEL GURRR HA HURNMEL"
>The audience erupts into boistrous laughter
>Affleck is now hanging from a rafter, the guilt of Jen leaving him and him sullying the Batman are too much
>Took the extra Popcorn home and fucked my girlfriend no condom.

Bretty good night desu

>>89784978
They're going to re-cast Batman before it starts shooting. Affleck dies in JL2.

>>89785389
There is no JL2 anon.

Honestly, maybe they should just turn the DCEU into a LEGO DCEU. LEGO Green Lantern Corps featuring LoSH would be fun as hell.

Mark Hughes used to be /our guy/ but the news of Ben leaving left him DAMAGED

He's not trustworthy anymore unfortunately

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THIS IS FOR THE BETTER

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>>89785381

>>89785290
>starting with BvS and going straight into JL was a mistake
Of course it was. Anyone who wasn't sucking Snyder's dick after MoS could have told you that. Even a pack of scoundrels like us who spend our free time on a Chinese Christian forum were screaming not to do it, and to just take their time. Unfortunately, all the aforementioned cocksuckers could do was hold up Age of Ultron as evidence that if Marvel could turn a movie into a character orgy, so could WB. Chances are, WB execs did the exac same thing.

>>89784978
I have 0 faith in this project.

>>89785552
>the news of Ben leaving
So he became untrustworthy over the past two weeks, or are we talking about a different instance of him leaving.

>>89785788
I have 0 faith in this universe, breh. Sucks too, because I love DC.

So Chris "Piss Jar" Terrio is out? Thats a plus.

Time to flashpoint the whole fucking universe.

A
FUCKING
TRAINWRECK

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The Cinematic DC Universe was a mistake

>>89785233
>(I don't want a Marvel vs DC debate here; I love both, but even if you don't like Marvel, there's no rational way to deny Marvel has done a superb job translating their comic book universe to the big screen correctly and effectively with enormous success),
the shilling is REAL

>Watchmen (which remains one of the true masterpieces of the genre)

What.

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>>89785831
>Be a DC fan
>WB keeps ruining every adaptation of your favorite characters
>They plan on doing it forever, and people pay to see them
>They keep ignoring criticism and scream "it's for the fans!"
>Movies keep just shoving in things that are trending instead of adapting source material
>Retards keep defending the garbage and if you disagree then you're labeled a Marvelcuck or some other retarded term

I didn't want this future. I didn't ask for this.

>>89786005
Where is the lie?

>>89785837
No, Geoff Johns and Afleck were writing the original script. Now Terrino is the writer.

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>>89784978
So...basically the Batman movie written and directed by Batfleck is not any more written or directed by Batfleck and on the top of that the guy who wrote BVS is involved in this?

>>89785837
He's more in than ever

What could possibly go wrong?

>>89785251
It's too late to course correct. You can't suddenly decide to take your time on the second floor when you've already rushed and halfassed the foundation. Your house will still fall.

>>89786077
Yep

Also, interesting to note that the Forbes' guy said the BvS script was a page-one rewrite, even though Goyer was still credited. Goyer's stuff was probably just "Lex pitch Batman and Superman to fight because of the battle of Metropolis" and that's it.

>>89786073
>>89786096

>but the project will undergo substantial changes and possible/probably another full rewrite.

We can only hope they drop his script.

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>>89786073
Well that worked out great for BvS

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Fuuck, I really like Affleck's version of Batman. It just seems that him and cape movies seem complicate things.

I wish I could take a shotgun through the DShit offices and kill every one of them. DC is cancer and deserves to burn. Marvel has finally won. Now lay down and die like you deserve.

>>89786030
It was either this or Ghostbusters.

>>89786125
I agree. When it is all said and done, the fate of the DCEU will always be tied to BvS, because despite how WW or JL do, there was enough right, in spite of what was wrong in MoS, that a more well constructed BvS could have salvaged what was right, and either soft restarted, or simply continued the overarching plot of the DCEU in a manner that lent itself more to line wide success than the damage that movie did.

>>89785767
But that would mean accepting that two and eleven are different numbers

>>89786224
WB sees 2 as II

>>89786036
Implying that Marvel did anyting right or cares about the comics instead of just shitting out cheap comedy blockbusters instead of true art like the DCEU :^)

>>89786199
Well, its not the same directing when you are in jeans than directing when you have several hours of make up and a suit yourself with a muscle suit.

Unless he learns to direct in Batman suit. Documentaries would be awesome

>>89786223
I'd go one further. I think the problems in the DCEU were readily evident in Man of Steel, they were just more easily accepted because it's the first and for some reason people expect a little stumbling out of the gate.

BvS was at least one, maybe 2 movies too early, and that was obvious when post Man of Steel people were defending it going "he's not Superman yet!"

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>>89786199
no one else does

>>89786441
Ben's a good Batman who's been in two dreadful films so far and his own film is shaping up to be a disaster as well.

>>89786441
>Christian Bale
>Good Batman
Listen we all know BvS was total shit, so why bother lying by stating false statements to make the movie look worse?

>>89786622

Clearly St Louis is full of dummies.

>>89786644
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saaKnLX_qHU

>>89786379
>I think the problems in the DCEU were readily evident in Man of Steel
Totally agree. I just think they could have Incredible Hulk'd MoS into BvS though, and soft reboot/pseudo-sequel'd it. Instead we got an experienced Batman that pushes believability considering he has been wearing the cape for 20 years when 5 was probably all that would have been necessary for him to not be out of his League in a room of metas, and yet, skilled enough to be close enough to Batgod tier that he could legitimately bring something to the League without being novice tier. Instead his beef with Superman is murderously tied to one of the least pleasant parts of MoS that led to the reinclusion of that part in the sequel. I mean, all they needed to do was a live action World's Finest, especially if they were going to have Gotham and Metropolis a bay apart. The entire world knows the Joker, so Batman following him across the Bay, then defending himself when Superman shows up and expresses disapproval of his methods. Batman expresses the same, and cites his issue with Superman's seeming lack of caring about minimizing property damage. Cue Lex being Eisenbergs Mark Zuckerberg redux, and we have our allies becoming friends, bad guys stopped, Joker caught, Lex getting away by the skin of his teeth, and boom. The universe is back on the right foot. Follow it up with WOnder Woman, and the Flash, then make Justice League with a little New Frontier thrown in so it can also be a GL origin without WB fucking it up because they have the yips over giving the IP a solo again after 2011. Start Phase 2 with Aquaman and a sequel for whichever line you want to give one to first. It isn't that fucking complicated, but they just weighed everything down and put so much more into the sausage than anyone was really asking for. When this universe is eventually ended, I can't wait for someone to hopefully make a high budget "Superman Lives" style doc on the creation life and death of the DCEU.

BvS truly is the modern Batman and Robin.

>>89786709
It's more like this age's Batman Forever.

>>89786723
Neither terrible or amazing and ultimately forgettable?

>>89786441
I hated BvS, and Bruce's arc within it, but Affleck's standard Bruce Wayne/Batman performance was fantastic. What Eisenberg got wrong, Affleck got right. I think a lot of people are unable to separate Affleck's performance from BvS as a whole, which is unfortunate because despite the character's choices and thought processes, he was one of the only good parts of the movie.

>>89786693

Sorry. Are you from St Louis?

it's gonna be shit

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>>89786800
Piss, actually.

>>89784978
Honestly, I kind of don't and kind of do want these movies to fail.

I want these movies to be good, but despite Man of Steel being alright for what it was, they seem to be nosediving into shit. Not to mention, the fanbase for the movies are cancerous and autistic. They've managed to ruin capeshit film discussion on /co/ AND /tv/. The whole debacle surrounding this franchise has been toxic, both from the producers and the audience.

It honestly breaks my heart as a DC fan.

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>>89787270
>j-just because Marvel did it in a way that makes logical sense doesn't mean DC should
Remember
>WHY DOES WB HAVE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT MARVEL DID?! IF THEY DO THAT PEOPLE WILL JUST CRITICIZE THEM FOR COPYING MARVEL
Wonder if being criticized for copying someone who has been successful is worse that being laughed at for producing a dumpster fire on stage with the band performing at the shit show?

>>89785290
>>89785767
These
I remember when BvS was first announced back in 2013 and every time anyone pointed out that starting from BvS/JL was a mistake,and that to build a proper cinematic DCU you have to start small, set the stage, flesh the characters out, etc, they got swarmed by Snyder's cocksuckers.
>b-but there are different ways to build a cinematic universe
>j-just because Marvel did it in a way that makes logical sense doesn't mean DC should
I mean as a DC fan I'm obviously upset that this is happening but fuck you snydercucks this is what you asked for.
Personally I'm holding out for a reboot soon after JL bombs

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>>89786304
Batman directing Batman, starring Batman. A behind the scenes look with Batman.

Okay but does The Flash have a director yet?

>>89787336
Look the problem with BvS is that it did "Death of Superman".

Dead of Superman doesn't work as a second film. It needs to be after Superman is fully established.

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>>89786825

>>89785788
>I have 0 faith in this project.
Which is depressing because this was the only project I had anything higher than 0 faith in

>>89787534

It did. Twice. Now it doesn't have a script yet.

>>89787601
No, I mean a new one. I already know it lost 3 directors

>>89787534
>The Flash is already being rewritten by Joby Harold and will wind up with its third director sometime this year

>>89787320
It was going to happen either way. People already see DC as goong all-on on the cinematic universe concept because it worked so well for Marvel, so accusations of ripping it off were going to happen no matter what.

It's also ironic because DC and WB had the idea for a connected cinematic universe almost a decade before Marvel did, but couldn't get their shit together. They waited too long to get it done and here comes Marvel to take the idea and just run with it. Now DC is struggling to catch up on a concept they could have easily gotten off the ground first.

>>89784978
>Terrio
Fuck this garbage, I'm out. Batman was the only thing I was still excited about.

Fuck you with a rake WB.

>>89787414
Bonus content includes : Batman

>>89787731
>WB had an idea but couldn't get it's shit together
Well that is a shocker if I may say so. It's quite baffling, because that chain of events is one I never would have expected.

>>89787534
WHO DUCKING CARES ABOUT FLASH?

We need Harley and Deadshot movie, these are the characters that DC is about and people actually care. I'm glad that Warner know their priorities.

>>89787780
Even better because it happened three times before we finally got an actual DCEU.

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>>89787848
>mfw this probably is a real mindset they have

>>89787647

Nah, no director right now. Or script.

>>89787874
I only knew about the original Superman vs Batman script from like 2000, what were the others?

>>89787896
That's the first, second is the George Miller JL project from 2007 that was also meant to spin off into individual movies with the same cast, third was the Green Lantern movie that was supposed to be the first installment in a cinematic universe but everyone hated it so they decided to start over.

>>89787896

Well, before the 2008 Writer's Strike they almost made a JL movie with: DJ Cotrona as Superman, Megan Gale as Wonder Woman, Armie Hammer as Batman, Santiago Cabrera as Aquaman, Adam Brody as the Flash, Anton Yelchin as Kid Flash, and Jay Baruchel as Max Lord.

>>89787881
Harley is more popular than the Flash. And Wonder Woman.

>mfw if they made batman before BvS, they could've made even Wonder woman, the fight, Luther and doomsday's death of superman make sense

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>The accumulated filth of all their bad movies will foam up about their waists and all the DC and WB execs will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No.”

It still boggles the mind that WB didn't put Bruce Timm as their Feige in charge of this while thing.

Another shitshow incoming.

Gotta feel bad for DC fans. This cinematic universe is a such a shit pile, it's only been mediocre and bad movies. This is just another bad sign.

The DCEU is a disaster.

>>89788144
Because WB has some warped idea that comic writers are ill-suited to work on their films.

>>89788151
They should stick to cartoons

>>89788151
NO YOU ARE WRONG IT ONLY HAS THE BEST MOVIES, THERE WAS LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH ANY OF THEM, IF YOU SAY IT YOU MUST BE A MARVEL DRONE AND A DISNEY SHILL, THE MOVIES WERE GREAT, OKAY?

T-they're great... they've been amazing... just... just what I always wanted... I'm not crying, okay?

I want the pain to stop

Wasn't Geoff supposed to be /ourguy/? What went wrong

>>89788235
There losing in animation if you ask me. All the new 52 based movies have been shit.

>>89786073

Johns destroyed the batman movie as people in this board expected. And now we are stock with Deathstroke, his brilliant contribution.

>>89788350
No.

He is the guy that convinced the executives that Cyborg deserved a movie and put cyborg on the league, years later now the cyborg movie is dead, they pushed cyborg into flash and the flash movie died.Anyone who thinks Johns was anything bot the suits's bitch was delutional

>a comedy toy commercial movie will end up being a better Batman movie than the actual Batman movie

>>89786212
At least they knew to stop and that it was a disaster. This suffering just won't end.

>>89788366
Then they should hire actual script writers and directors

>>89788445
I've given up on WB. They can't do anything right.

>>89788566

Ah, but are they worse than Sony?

>>89788566
Don't give up on WB. They still have Lego movies, and the new Harry Potter films seem to be a decent new revival

It's the live action DC division you should give up on

>>89788698
>worse than Sony
Don't confuse being incompetent and nigh malevolent.

>>89788731
I don't care, it's a piss poor job they've done handling DC

They should fire Snyder right now and cancel all projects

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Remember when people thought Affleck would unironically save the DCEU? Yeah, me neither.

>>89788872
Snyderfans thought Affleck's involvement was another badge of honor for the series, but were too deluded to think the series needed any saving. After all, it was already perfect, right?

Meanwhile people who saw what Snyder was doing knew that nobody could salvage that mess.

>>89788863
>>89788947

Snyder had nothing to do with this movie, and died anyway, Johns is directly to blame for flash and batman

Is anyone else disappointed that they aren't going to dedicate a reasonable amount of time for an origin story in this one? It doesn't really ever feel like a genuine reboot without one.

>>89789109
I think this film is going to have more issues than lacking an origin story. It sounds more and more to me like Affleck wants out of the DCEU entirely.

>>89789109

For all its faults, thats one thing WB is possibly doing right. Who doesn't know Batman's origin by now?

That and didn't we see it in BvS?

DIRECTOR

DRIVEN

UNIVERSE

>>89788980
Snyder's films are the foundation of this universe. They have everything to do with him.

It's not enough to just shove him off to the side. The whole thing needs to be rebooted to scrub off his taint.

>>89789162
>Who doesn't know Batman's origin by now?
The specific nuances of the way you play out his origin story, done properly, justifies his motivations. Affleck's Batman is very distinct from previous ones.

>didn't we see it in BvS?
It was very brief and a lot was implied, I was hyped for something explicit with plenty of screen time.

>2019

Like anyone will still give a shit about the DCEU by then.

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>>89789320
>The whole thing needs to be rebooted to scrub off his taint.
Now now. Not just his taint. There was another.

>>89789438
It's funny how the article even mentions that BvS got a page-one rewrite and some fags still blame Goyer for all of it

Not that Goyer isn't shit anyway, but Terrio should be given the proper credit for the shitshow

They need to reboot with Flashpoint or something, so Bats isn't a man of mass murder, and Supes has something more to care about than his fleshlight and Martha, Jimmy Olsen not being shot in the face would be a good start. Teasing Jason Todd's death while Bats murders fucking everyone BUT the Joker makes no sense.
Fire Snyder, reboot, let people who actually care about the characters make them, and probably get better script writers, don't let executives fuck with the editing.
Either recast or reinterpret shit characters like Lex and Joker. Both seem legitimately mentally handicapped in some way, the only reason they aren't dead from forgetting to breathe or somethings is the plot demanded their inclusion for some godawful reason.

>Be Ben Affleck, (How do You Like Them) apple of your mother's eye
>Come home after a long day of staring bleakly at your own chest
>"B-Batman Movie, I'm home. I picked up a copy of Batman vs Superman from Redbox so we could learn from our sordid past!"
>Suddenly he hears groaning and grunting coming from the bedroom
>Curious, he ventures towards it, trepidation in every step.
>"B-Batman Movie?"
>Gingerly, you push open the door to the bedroom.
>Matt Reeves and Chris Terrio are spitroasting your Batman Movie with gusto.
>"O-Oh, hi, honey: who are your friends."
>Chris Terrio pulls out and splatters his goo all over the Batman Movie's fat, round plot. He winks at you.
>"Sorry, Benji, we just thought we'd swing by and give this movie of yours the treatment she really deserves."
>Matt Reeves spurts all over the Batman Movie's cinematography and takes a drink of water.
>"Why don't you wait outside? She said she'd prefer it if you weren't in the editing room."
>Go back to the living room and don your Batman costume
>Sit on the couch watching BvS alone and deconstructing everything that went wrong.
>"N-No, we shouldn't have e-edited that sequence in there..."
>Jot this down in your "My Mistakes" book.
>Can't hear what's happening over the sounds of Matt Reeves and Chris Terrio fucking the Batman movie
>The TV volume is up as high as it'll go
>The remote for the speakers is embedded in Matt Reeves's ass.
>This costume is too tight

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>>89789482
See
>>89785115
>>89785837
>>89787748
He owns part of the guilt. He wasn't there at the beginning however, and as >>89786379 said,
>the problems in the DCEU were readily evident in Man of Steel
Unlike the defense Goyer is so often granted because of his part in bringing the Dark Knight trilogy to life, credits are documented, and unlike those of the Dark Knight trilogy, MoS was the first time Goyer was allowed to play by himself. If the DCEU has followed in the footsteps of the movie that began it, for better or worse, Goyer owns as much of the blame for every other jar of piss that WB has continued providing after the initial one he and Snyder birthed that bore the label "Superman Origin Movie"

I swear to god, the Shazam movie is going to exploit the Stranger Things hypetrain and feature billy batson and his adoptive siblings that explore shit,, billy finds the wizard, billy becomes captain marvel and eventually black adam is the villain through some macguffin.

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>>89789691

>>89789806
Well the superhero movies have so far been mostly adults doing adult things. One of the reasons I think DC should have tried to do Teen Titans or some such, could have gotten them a solid fanbase that Marvel doesn't technically have I suppose, though no doubt Spider-Man will be shooting for that audience now.

>>89789873
Well, they kind of did it with SS, attracted the Hot Topic audience like flies, even if normies just cared for Will Smith, Joker and Harley.

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Terrio is great though.
He loves the new gods.
I thought BvS's script was very 'DC'.

>>89789691
>Batman movie's fat, round plot *hole*

YA DUN GOOF'D

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>>89789924
YES MAN! VERY DC!

Just like that Identity Crisis feel and tone all through it!

Act of God is also other perfect example of the same feel!

>>89789806
>Shazam movie
What Shazam movie?

Surely you meant the Black Adam movie starring "The Rock"

>>89788947
>After all, it was already perfect, right?
No one who is serious thinks they are perfect, Mos is my 2nd favorite movie and I know its not perfect. No film is.

>>89790577
>It's not perfect because no movie is perfect!

>>89785791
No, he became untrustworthy because no he writes these long ass mopey woe-is-me articles with bs speculation and butthurt

>>89790141
This is one of the worst /co/ memes.
Identity Crisis is very good on the whole, PARTICULARLY in terms of character voices.
The characters have a lot of depth in that comic, and I love that they just shoot the shit and have real lives.

>>89790613
>the Authority
Which is the universe Snyder really should have been given the keys to

>>89785290
This dude gets it. I'd fucking kill for a Metal Men movie

>>89790903
>he writes these long ass mopey woe-is-me articles with bs speculation and butthurt
And what about that makes him untrustworthy?
Among the speculation and butthurt his articles feature reports cited to sources. They also address problems and viable solutions to them. Are they rumors or lies proven to be untrue?

>>89789566
>> Adapt Flashpoint
What is really needed is to simply drop the DCEU and move forward with a clean slate. I have discussed Flashpoint with many normies and none of them were interested in seeing it in a film.

>>89791213
Thing is they need a way to explain to people why the slate was wiped clean at this point. They could understand the end of the Nolan trilogy, but going from Batfleck to something else so rapidly would be rather jarring I think.
General audiences don't follow drama of making the movie generally, unless it's deliberate propaganda like the dog's purpose leaked edit thing.

>>89791213
>What is really needed is to simply drop the DCEU
No?
MoS and BvS were excellent and normies loved SS.

>>89791283
It's a series of three (soon to be five) shit movies in a row
Does anyone really need an explanation?

>>89791213
Forget Flashpoint, just start fresh with new everything. If normies can understand the spider man reboots, I think we're good here.

>>89791283
>Thing is they need a way to explain to people why the slate was wiped clean at this point.
Actually they don't. Just retcon the undesirable elements. The only thing is that if you want to start fresh, you almost certainly need fresh actors. So the DCEU actors had to be kicked off when most of them didn't do anything wrong. They were merely playing the roles they were given.

Once you change the actors, the audience would understand that this is meant to be a different universe.

>>89784978

JOHNS WAS A MISTAKE

Capekino died with BvS

Flash would be a good choice to start a new universe. Don't even want flashpoint explanations or time travel shenanigans, just start fresh and forget the old universe, don't even acknowledge it. Get a new actor for Barry too.

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>>89786030
>reddit won't stop shilling the DCEU

>>89791588
If this confirms anything, it's that Johns has no authority, because if he did, they would have kept his script. As always, WB execs are calling the shots.

>>89791588
Capekino was never anything but a forced meme to further an impotent and unnecessary console war.

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>>89791711

>>89791675
After having the Star of the film move away from from the project, they would be stupid if they didn't change something.

>>89791675
Johns was just a PR move. He's a consultant that they'll ignore if it conflicts with their "test audience data"

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>>89785251
>and Watchmen (which remains one of the true masterpieces of the genre)
This article is a joke, right?

>>89791891
You mean the star that is still acting in the thing, had some semblance in writing the thing, and probably only agreed to the inclusion of things he thought could be executed well? Why keep that?

This is a regular process for a movie, its call pre-production, it takes years with projects this big, but the 24 hr news cycle and th fact they fucking announce their movies like 4 years earlier doesnt help them at all.

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>>89786709
But Batman & Robin is watchable in a The Room type way.

BvS is a horrific, nonsensical slog like The Good Shepard or the newest Fantastic Four.

>>89788144
Why would he be?

I know this is /co/, but the man has literally zero film background. Animation and film production are two incredibly different things.

>>89785115
Hope died with SS.
Three strikes, you're out.

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>>89785500
>Lego Green Lantern
>Green Lantern: TAS movie
>Live action Teen Titans

>>89786758
This.
It was bad. But not bad enough.

The guy playing Deathstroke has just signed for a movie with the Rock based on an 80s video game. It shoots at the same time that The Batman was supposed to shoot.

Cast and cast are moving on. This incarnation of the movie is dead.

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The DCU is like that one kid in school that tried to be cool by acting like the 'cool kids', but doesn't know the reason why and just comes off as forced.

>>89786224
11 in binary is 2 in decimal i-it makes sense!

>>89792158
>but the man has literally zero film background.
He doesn't need it. As long as he can be the plot Question, and conceptualize the plots of individual movies, plan how they fit together, and how they all develop the overarching narrative of the universe, you know, what he did with the DCAU, he'd be great. That's what they need. Right now the execs are calling the plot shots.

>>89792451
Based on his outfit and what Affleck kept saying it's possible we'd have gotten a cheap movie clone of the Arkham games. I'm all up for it being scrapped entirely so they can try again 10 years later. Fuck the DCEU.

>>89792829
>we'd have gotten a cheap movie clone of the Arkham games
I thought that might have been a good idea actually

>>89786699
>Totally agree. I just think they could have Incredible Hulk'd MoS into BvS though, and soft reboot/pseudo-sequel'd it.
No, really. Why the fuck didn't they just do something like this? They didn't HAVE to follow from MoS. They could've, like you said, soft-rebooted or even hard rebooted. Laying down the foundation for the DCEU with MoS was a mistake. WB executives should've seen the reception that movie got and thought, "Zack Snyder is the last person who should helm the first live-action DC cinematic universe," and kicked him out. Why they did not is just baffling.

>>89792606
11 is 3.

>>89793135
I can only guess they wanted a fast return on investment, not the slow buildup Marvel did.

>>89789286
It's funny how DCEUfags kept on touting this as a major reason why it'd blow the MCU away from a creative standpoint when three movies in, directors have had creative control pulled away from them and WB has proved to have a tyrannical control over the theatrical cuts of every DCEU movie.

>>89791213
This.

A Flashpoint movie would just hurt things more, honestly. It just sounds like an overtly convoluted way to reboot things when just a clean reboot would work much better. Don't gotta explain shit.

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>>89786441
No mention of Adam West? Fuck you, Jody Mitori

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>>89788872

>>89793360
Considering they went from Mos immediately to BvS and then to JL, made Suicide Squad the third movie in the franchise, and are only making solo flicks of the rest of the JL after the fact, that makes me agree. It should've been obvious from the start that this wouldn't work and the reason the MCU has been so successful has been because they've taken the fucking time to build its universe up.

>>89785485
Not the way things have been going, no.

Remember when it was going to be a 2-parter? Then that evaporated.

All the talent is leaving this project as quietly as it can.

>>89793612
>Remember when it was going to be a 2-parter?
I remember Enter the Knight.

>>89793559
>According to the archives, that image was first posted on August 8 2016

Things imploded surprisingly quickly

>>89788144
I really think this dude could pull a Hideaki Anno and make a great live-action superhero movie. His DC-related animation works are consistently some of the highest points of DC animation and animation in the West in general. He really could make a great Justice League movie.

>>89786030
I feel you, dawg

>>89793706
always nice to see other people using my DCEU original content

but yes, its all gone to shit faster than I thought

You know what's depressing? WB can't sell they're A List heroes as is within this universe, so fat chance of getting any hero/villain B or below. No Plastic Man, Red Tornado, Booster Gold, Metal Men, or Green Arrow for that matter

>>89785021

Holy shit, Ben. How do you keep going?

>>89793571
And not even a bunch of origin movies either. Just movies with the characters past that, with their supporting cast and establish reasons why people should care.

>>89793871
Well in exchange, at least we've never getting a Cyborg movie.

That guy does not need to be more important

>>89784978
>Another let's hate DC thread
great

>No, several sources already saying new script came in this month and everyone including Emmerich and Ben very happy with it
https://twitter.com/krolljvar/status/829833962100908032

Justin Kroll, who's actually trustworthy, tweeted this.

>>89793871
The problem is you think WB recognizes tier lists in the same way DC fans do. They don't,
For WB it goes

1. Batman
5. Superman
9000001. Everything else.

>>89794200
THIS