>coming out on Wednesday So, who's ready for the greatest

>>89710716

Apparently not that many people

>>89710716
That's a pretty godawful lineup.

>>89710716
>no booster gold

>>89710716
I'm ready for the multiverse arc

When did Lobo (the main man) come back?
I mean he has healing powers and all so it was inevitable but when.

>>89710716
There is no logical reason for Lobo to be on this team but I'll still probably pick it up just for him.

Lobo in a team book is a mistake

t. someone who has read him as a member of L.E.G.IO.N./R.E.BE.L.S. for far too many issues

>>89711935

Booster would actually be a pretty damn good addition to this lineup.

>>89711994

Real Lobo came back in Suicide Squad vs. Justice League. Orlando's got the Main Man's dialogue down pretty damn well.

>>89711998

When Batman freed Lobo from Max Lord's control, he owed the Bat a favor and his word is his bond. So, Batman told him that he'd call in that favor by asking Lobo to join the League. Pretty simple, actually.

>>89712066
Orlando didn't write JLvSS, it was Williamson.

>>89712135

But he did write the one-shot of the 'first' Suicide Squad.

>>89712152
That was Williams and Spurrier.

>>89712260

...oh. Dammit.

Well, Orlando's a pretty strong writer, so I'm sure he can handle Lobo well.

>>89710716
Is there a preview?

>>89712311
His dialogue is by far his weakest part of his game. He can't nail character voices and pretty much writes everyone in the same one... and it's a very unnatural sounding one too.

>Lobo
Wasn't he replaced by some other Lobo?

And then dead?

And then alive again but on some evil team-up?

I'm pretty sure that last one was just a few weeks ago. What the fuck?

>>89710716
This is a random as fuck line up and Black Canary really doesn't belong, especially with someone like Lobo there. It's also worth nothing how funny it is to put The ray and Black Canary on the same team considering he used to have a crush on her and now he's gay.

Synergy is ok when DC does it though

>>89714676
Dinah deserved another team since BoP isn't worth it. I would have preferred saving her for JSA though.

>>89714695
How is this synergy?

>>89714747
>Black Canary
>Atom
>Vixen
>Killer Frost
>The Ray looking like Firestorm
>all coincidentally part of DC's popular TV shows

>>89714747
>Dinah deserved another team
Why? She's already co-starring in Green Arrow and BOP being bad is DC's fault for hiring a crap creative team, they had the chance to make BOP good and they blew it. She certainly doesn't deserve to be in 3 titles at once. And her character and street level powerset does not belong in this particular team.

Besides Atom's, the one shots were all pretty bad, Supergirl and Night of the Monster Men were OK at best, though Midnighter and Apollo is a lot of fun, I don't have high hopes for this title.

With that said, it'll probably be better than Amanda Waller's JLA, that shitty New52 JLI, that weird JLU with Adam Strange, or Hitch's JLA.

>>89714801
This is backwards logic. The show used most of them BECAUSE they are JL members or have had JL ties. Killer Frost is portrayed as heroic because comics were going there before even Arrow was a confirmed success.

What's next? Flash comics are synergy because Barry had an accident with lightning in a lab like on the show?

Your only evidence is kirby dots when you know he has a completely different powerset. Fuck off.

>>89714866
Midnighter and Apollo is genuinely great and the first 8 or so issues of Midnighter were pretty good, but yeah... He's going to have a lot of problems handling the large cast, especially with his dialogue problems. Lobo is just a weird choice, especially since the team is built around tv synergy+Batman because Batman. Making Ray gay is just as bad as making Iceman gay but he's not as popular as Iceman so I guess it's okay but this is the second time DC made a straight guy gay instead of making a new legacy character that was gay(Alan Scott) and people don't want t consider this forced diversity because rebirth hype. Waller's JLA was really good under Johns but it got cut short, doubt it's gonna be as good as that and the rest of the examples you mentioned were crap.

>>89714801
>The Ray
oh wow I actually thought that was firestorm

>>89714976
No, it's synergy because they are ALL part of DC's popular TV shows AT THE SAME TIME

If just Black Canary was on the team, sure. If just Killer Frost was just on the team, sure.

Atom (in his robotic looking suit similar to the show), Killer Frost, Black Canary, and Vixen though? Ok.

>>89714808
They need to apologize for BoP. Helena needs another book too.

>>89714976
So you don't think picking those particular characters instead of adding Booster Gold, one of the Blue Beetles, Mera, Martian Manhunter, Captain Atom, Black Lighting instead is fishy? especially since most of these guys have served as JLA members far more many times than the likes of Vixen or Black canary and Killer Frost, Ryan Choi and The Ray are first time JLA at the same time at this exact moment in time.

>>89715066
Again they are on the shows at the same time because they are popular secondary JL members and characters DC in general has pushed. The show is piggybacking off of comics not the other way around. That Atom costume on the show comes from a robotic suit from the comics first by the way.

>>89715112
J'onn would have been nice but you'd use that as evidence of synergy too probably along with Black Lighting since he's getting a show as well.

Booster Gold won't show up until they smooth out the timeline. Nate has a mini right now to revamp him. Jaime isn't really a team character but maybe Ted makes sense. So it's basically just him that might have worked. I would have liked Mera but I don't see her on a team book really unless it's Johns.

The biggest exclusion that seems like it could have fit and not triggered you is Zatanna.

>>89715149
>they are popular secondary JL members
No they're not. Ryan, Killer Frost and The ray are not JLA members, period. Vixen was only briefly on the team for one particular forgotten era. Black Canary is already in two titles while other characters like Martian Manhunter or Booster Golda re in none right now. Hell, I wouldn't even be mad if they would've put Vibe on it despite the fact that you could kinda call synergy but I expect the next time to show up to see him with long hair and very geeky and obnoxious. You're delusional if you think the show is piggybacking on the comics and not the there way around. They originally planned to have Wally turn into a black dude because of synergy and they had to go out and do a convoluted alternate reality shit to satisfy fans and bring back original Wally. They made The Ray gay because he's gay in that CW animation. Even Ryan's suit looks more like the CW version than his older costume.

>>89710716
>batman on another justice team

Why would anybody buy this.

How do Vixen's powers work? I heard she can also shapeshift and copy metahuman powers in addition to animal mimicry.

>>89715318

If Batman wasn't on the team, most people wouldn't buy it, though.

Batman's the seller.

Am i the only that likes every time Batman and Black Canary are on the same team?

They've so much shit in common and grew up essentially together. They also share Oliver Queen as someone important to their lives.

>>89715149
I don't know whose paying you to say this but it's not enough. you look retarded

>>89715271
You're fucking retarded and you're ignoring valid points to make non point. I mentioned those characters and then you're telling me I'd be "triggered" by them even though I said I'd prefer them. And you're making case that Black Lighting would be synergy even though he doesn't have a CW show right now but they're in talks of making one? That might not even happen. You ignore the fact that J'onn, Booster or Black Lighting are in 0 books right now while Canary will be in THREE FUCKING TITLES AT ONCE.
>Booster Gold won't show up until they smooth out the timeline
What does that even mean? They didn't smooth out the timeline at all with most of these characters. hell, Lobo was a fucking mess and yet they still put him on this team.

>>89715344
Well not me, it's the core reason why I won't be buying this. adding a character because sales is a poor way to write a book.

>>89715399
You sound like a bitch.

>>89715282
The Atom mantle is associated with the JL and makes sense there in the same way Blue Beetle was suggested as an alternative. Vixen was on JLD and the mid 00s teams. Again I do think Black Canary should have been on JSA instead but she needed a real team book so I don't have a problem with it. And again, how would MM not be synergy when he's on the shows too? Gay Ray comes from Multiversity which Morrison started writing 10 years ago.

I'm not being delusional when everything you're citing came from comics first besides the Wally thing, which is a different franchise (not sure about the editorial group). It's like claiming Lego Batman and the DTVs having SMWW is synergy even though it was pushed because it was happening in comics around the same time.

>>89710716
You know what I love about this? There is only one straight white male on this team. Everyone else is a minority or a woman or a special snowflake of some kind. Or Lobo.

And not one single person seems to give a shit.

This is so completely the opposite of what Marvel does. They'd have 40 different think pieces about how diverse and politically minded this team is after announcing it on the View, while DC just fucking puts the comic out and trusts the characters to sell it, not whatever minority status they may have. Is this proof of how good DC is, or how shit Marvel is?

>>89715567
For a moment I was going to start an argument over that first sentence.

>>89715454
and you sound like you're batwipped.

>>89715388
I'm saying you'd be triggered by them in the sense that you'd cry synergy even though they fit a team like Black Canary (who you're crying about right now) and Vixen obviously do.

Booster Gold is a time travel character who had one of his selves turn into Waverider during Convergence and has the complication of the LoSH ring when they haven't been explained yet either. He probably needs to be cleaned up like Captain Atom before he should start appearing in stuff.

>>89715547
The Atom is not one of the original JLA members, he is not a classic JLA member. Why the fuck did you even mention the fact that Vixen was briefly on the mid 00s team when I already said that? And fyi that strengthens my point, she was only briefly on the team and that brief period is part of one of the more underwhelming and forgotten periods in the history of the JLA. MM as far as I know only briefly appeared on Supergirl? And that show barely interacts with the other tv shows anyway. Gay Ray is from the upcoming animated series. The Mutiversity version is AN ALTERNATE FUCKING UNIVERSE, you imbecile. This comic is using the Ray Terril version that debuted in the 90s, even using the same fucking costume and origin. They had hundreds of other characters to chose from that aren't on CW shows and have had more appearances on the JLA like Plastic man, but they didn't exactly because they aren't the big stars on the CW right now.

>>89715567
It seems the race-swapping/legacy characters are what really rile up the geeks.

>>89715567
>This is so completely the opposite of what Marvel does
Turning a straight guy into a gay dude to make him a diversity character? Put an irrelevant character like Vixen on the Justice league because she's appearing in a bunch of live action shit?

>>89715640
Black Canary does not fit in a team with Lobo.

Your Booster argument is dumb because Rebirth hasn't given a single fuck about continuity and just rebooted most characters anyway.

>>89714505
was this any good

>>89715776
It's a mixture of that and trying to force a political message. Marvel's the kind of company that would make an all-female team, have each member come out as gay, and try to say it's symbolic of the struggle of lesbians and totally isn't the start of a porno.

>>89715782
They made the Ray gay. You know how I know that they made the Ray gay? Because I read the book. Whatever is happening here, it feels...natural. Like a story. Like they're doing it because someone had an idea and they did it. With Marvel, every time they do something like this it feels like Bobby Drake being "fully gay" how however the fuck they put it. Forced, cringey and bullshit.

>>89715921
His one-shot was still kinda shit

>>89715721
You don't have to be an original member to be associated with the team. It's still a known membership and obvious connection. The fact that Ryan is one of the legacies people wanted to return is also relevant. They could have just used Ray if it was about synergy since pre-Rebirth he was in Action Comics and not lost anywhere but instead they brought in a version who is not on CW and made up a mystery on where Palmer is that might not even play out in this book.
You said Vixen was on a team ONCE but it's been multiple teams titled Justice League that she's been on across multiple time periods including the cartoon.
MM has been a Supergirl main character and that is crossing over soon yet again. He's a prominent CW character yet was left off the roster.
Ray is gay in everything because it happened in Multiversity and DC has been pushing Freedom Fighters for a decade now with several minis and prominence in (sadly) stuff like Countdown. They are clearly just going with something similar to a rendition in a popular recent series. CW followed DC's lead on that too.

You are desperately clinging to this idea of synergy as if it's the only explanation and I don't understand why.

>>89715921
>it feels...natural
How the fuck does it feel natural? Please explain. He was straight and now he's gay, just like iceman and just like Alan Scott before them. And they made him gay after they announced that animated show where he'll be gay. And of all the characters they choose to turn gay they go with the fucking Ray Terrill Ray? That makes absolutely no goddamn sense. Hell, they could've made Ryan Choi gay and it would've been fine but making Ray gay is forced as fuck.

>>89715834
It was a boring slog that was going nowhere fast until it got hijacked by the Legion of Superheroes(Lemire's a fan). That didn't make it good, but it was certainly more interesting now that it had a real plot.

>>89714984

...as far as I remember, The Ray has been gay for awhile, chief.

>>89715819
Lobo on the team is more of a problem to me than Dinah. But I'm not a fan of his outside of guest appearances.

>>89716046
doesn't Parker write it?

>>89716037
>It's still a known membership and obvious connection
So are the other examples that wouldn't have been on the nose as the CW crew. The fact that they went ahead and put Black Canary on 3 titles at once tells a lot.

>Ray is gay in everything because it happened in Multiversity
Knock it off you fucking retard, knock it off. If Superman suddenly appeared gay from now on and rapped I got 99 problems but a farm ain't one would you say well gee that makes sense because he was black in Multiversity?
Get it through your thick skull, you ignorant fuck, they are using the original ray Terrill character that debuted as a straight guy over 20 years ago, they're using the same origin, the same costume.

>>89716040
Should have just used Obsidian or Bunker.

>>89716068
You remember wrong.

>>89716068
One issue and an alternate universe story. Saying that the Ray has been gay for a while is like saying that Superman has been British for a while because of Superman: True Brit.

>>89716166
Only the last couple of issues. It was boring and disjointed.

>>89716191
Bunker is a teen and Obsidian can't exist because his dad is now gay for dicks.

>>89716173
That's not how it works. Superman had his ongoings at the same time as Multiversity and it was not the only book with him that sold 50k+ recently. It's not comparable.

When a fringe character shows up in something that's popular and an element of that popular thing shows up in them elsewhere it's fucking normal. Expected even. What's the last appearance of any version of the Ray that sold 50k+? I'm sure it wasn't his new 52 mini (which I did enjoy tbqh, nice Igle art even though it's house style).

>>89716259
Technically we haven't seen New Earth Obsidian and he did have an Earth 2 version anyways before it rebooted which still leaves the door open for another Earth 2 Obsidian.

>>89716259
A teen hero finding himself on the Justice League could be an interesting story. Or just put on magic Latino daddy Extrano. Or Tasmanian Devil.

>>89716259
There are multiple JSAs now, Earth-0 is not Earth-2.

glad this is a week 2 book,most of the DC books I genuinely excited about are usually week 1.

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>>89716279
That makes absolutely no goddamn sense and I'm convinced you're trolling. Anyway I guess this is Etrigan from now on, right? He comes from the planet Camelot, right?

>>89716040
>And they made him gay after they announced that animated show where he'll be gay.

They made him gay after his earth 10 counterpart was announced to be gay in multiversity. And given how the idea of a one shot taking place in the nazi earth was announced by the time of final crisis, then the notion of the ray being gay has been around for years.

>>89716259

I'm pretty sure Alan is going to be involved when they bring back the JSA.

>>89716393
Elseworlds aren't canon. Just because Justice League: New Frontier was good doesn't mean that dinosaur island is actually the Center in mainline comics.

>>89716368
How does it make no sense? If they see a version in a popular thing they might take elements from it when they put it in the main universe and adaptions in an attempt to get fans from that popular version to look at other ones.

Etrigan in the main universe very well COULD resemble that iteration more when he shows up again. I'm not saying they're forced to do it but I wouldn't be surprised. But I don't see him as getting the same kind of push from DC. Was he in anything besides Demon Knights? Not really getting forced like the Freedom Fighters have been.

>>89714590
Read Superman / batman, he was going feral and shit, now it will be Canon that Lobo start more human/Bronson/faggot and then grows up to his final form

>>89716450
Why pretend like things from AUs don't make it to the main universe? Superman saving the girl from ASS was made new 52 canon.

>>89716040
Reboot magic. It isn't the same Ray. Same way that Alan Scott was gay but wasn't the same Alan Scott. Or how Superman can be dead but still have a wife and kid.

And really, I don't even mean in universe natural. I mean it feels more like a story than a publicity stunt. Iceman going gay was clearly them trying to get special snowflake good boy points. This feels like someone actually thought writing the character this way would be a good story. Now as to whether it is or not, I don't know. But I will fucking take it over the shit Marvel does.

>>89716458
>If they see a version in a popular thing they might take elements from it when they put it in the main universe and adaptions in an attempt to get fans from that popular version to look at other ones.

Is it really popular? How many people's favorite part of Multiversity was that the Ray was gay?

>>89716393
No, he was announced as gay in the main universe after the rotten tv show was announced. It's like talking to a brick wall, and you seriously can't understand the concept of alternate universe... You really can't grasp the simple idea that if they truly wanted this to feel natural they could've used a different character as The Ray instead of Terrill?

I really don't like this team for batman to lead, too many women without personality And black canary. It needs another serious guy like jonn to plsy the part of the good dad to batman mean dad

>>89716505
>It isn't the same Ray
Same costume, same name, same origin... same damn charcter

>>89716520
Multiversity was popular. More people have recently seen gay Ray in Multiversity than anything else. If you want to make the Ray popular and have tried several reinventions already and they failed why not make the next attempt similar to a widely seen recent version?

What's the point of Lobo? Is he just a poor man's Wolverine mixed with Ghost Rider?

>>89716469
>now it will be Canon that Lobo start more human/Bronson/faggot and then grows up to his final form
Nah. New Lobo is currently captured in Hal Green Lantern.
This is the original main man that somehow regenerated in spite of New Lobo claiming that his poison would stop that.

Damian Wayne is based off an idea from an Elseworlds.

>>89716450
Wasn't it just recently cannonized in superman?

>>89714505
this worth reading? I remember lemire sucking on team books
I'll never stop mourning his green arrow though, marvel never utilized him well, and sorrentino was ruined under bendis

I have a really hard time believing that /co/ gives a single actual fuck about The Ray.

It's almost like this is 4chan, where posters actively look for excuses to bitch about stuff, regardless of how trivial.

>>89716597

And Orlando said that they'll explain what's up between him and nuBo as the story goes along, which is why he didn't get a one-shot.

>>89716580
Except its not. Read current Superman. It is literally dealing with this concept. Two Supermen, one from the Earth that came from Post-Crisis, one Post-Flashpoint. Whatever Ray there was came from Post-Crisis Earth. This gay one is Post-Flashpoint Ray. Many things could be exactly the same, but they're still two different people.

Like, fuck, do you people even read all of DC's multiverse shit? This is basic level shit on how it works.

>>89716505
>Now as to whether it is or not, I don't know
It wasn't, his one shot was really fucking bad. And suddenly making a character with his origin gay is the very definition of unnatural.
>Oh he lived in isolation for 18 years but he's gay and immediately got himself a boyfriend after he got out of the house because he's a pro at dating because...well, because he just is. And not just regular dating but gay dating too because gay people are just as common as straight people.
They didn't have any plans for this shit and they pushed it to the background. The only reason they made him gay was for special snowflake points. Out of that entire line up, this character made the least sense to turn gay.

>>89716676

I liked it? I was really entertained by the way that Buddy and Ollie interacted with each other, he reintroduced Adam Strange back to the readers in a good way and he even made an interesting new character that we'll never see again.

>>89716741
>and he even made an interesting new character that we'll never see again.

Yeah decent waifu and he did his research to make sure she was respectfully done and not just a token. I appreciate that.

>>89716692
>where posters actively look for excuses to bitch about stuff, regardless of how trivial.
Except that I've made good points and I've sen other make good points on this subject. We've mentioned many times that it makes no sense for this particular character to be suddenly turned gay and the fact that it was jut not written well but you just close your eyes and pretend like everything is perfect and then have the nerve to say that shit.

And yes, Ray has fans. There are characters far more obscure than him that have fans. Deal with it. Not that it actually matters if eh has fans or not, the arguments on why it doesn't make sense and was clearly made for diversity points have been made.

>>89716588
He's supposed to be a parody of 90s characters

>>89716849
But instead of using her for this team we get Black Canary, Killer Frost and Gay Ray. She would've been a better fit for this team and she is actually diversity done right...

>>89716908
You're not wrong, but honestly her powers were a little weird. I get not wanting to deal with that.

>>89716939
Yeah, why use a character with unique power when you can just use generic super strength. Why use a charter that is, and always was, a minority when you can turn a straight white dude into one?

Why is Batman black, though?

>>89717013
But you gotta understand, no one would care about minorities unless we replaced a popular white on...wait...

>>89716856
>Except that I've made good points and I've sen other make good points on this subject
Here's a point; all of this is completely irrelevant. You are only complaining about this for the sake of complaining.

>The Ray has fans
Not enough for him to matter worth a shit. If anything, making him gay brought his narrow ass out of obscurity, since now everyone is asking "Who?".

And so what if he's gay? Maybe now he'll have a story that's actually worth talking about.

>>89717041
So he's harder to see at night

>>89717013
I'm just saying that I don't blame any creator for not wanting to have to deal with it. It's very specific in a way that might not get shown properly in a team book. She definitely kind of got lost after her introductory focus (didn't help that it became a LoSH book though).

>>89717078
>Maybe now he'll have a story that's actually worth talking about.
Except his story was just his old one condensed into one issue. Oh and he's gay but it's not important. Like I said, you're ignorant and you're ignoring the important thing, this was not executed well, and out of all the character on that team, making this particular character gay was not going to work. And you're ignoring the fact that The Ray is a legacy mantle and they could've just made a new one that was gay.

I'm complaining because 1) this was not executed well and 2) it's clearly made for special diversity points
Now if you'd have one single counter argument, that'd be nice, but all you're' saying is
>sh-shut up!

>>89716692
>I really have a hard time believing that /co/ gives a single fuck about a character from a series written by /co/ darling Christopher Priest

>>89714866
>Amanda Waller's JLA
Do what now?

>>89717211
>made for special diversity points
... And? Again, it sounds like you're complaining for the sake of it.

>it wasn't executed well
That is the only thing that matters in this situation, and the only thing you've said that even begins to approach a relevant point.

>it was just his old story
Then maybe The Ray is just a shit character that should've been kept in whatever storage room they dragged him out of. But then, with Vixen in the book, this does appear to be Justice League: Rubbish Characters Edition.

>>89717360
I think he means the original JLA for the New 52? The team funded by the US government

>>89716259
>gay people can't have biological children it's just not possible
Huh. Weird. You'd think with all of our technological advancements we'd have fixed this problem by now. Oh well. Maybe one day.

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>>89717360
It was basically supposed to be a government sponsored counter to the Justice League line up

Martian Manhunter vs Superman
Catwoman vs Batman
Katana vs Wonder Woman
Baz vs Hal
Vibe vs Flash
Stargirl vs Cybord
Hawkman vs Aquaman

The female Atom was a triple agent

>>89717422
>>89717211
I always feel a bit uncomfortable with these kinds of changes because it's not exactly something you can back out of in the main universe if it blows up in your face as opposed to other methods of reviving a character. Like is there anything that could be done? Not that I'm suggesting it here, it's far less of a problem than Iceman's deal.

>>89717422
>... And?
Literally it's only fine when DC does it

>even begins to approach a relevant point
It is a relevant point, dipshit, and it's one I've been making since the start.

>that should've been kept in whatever storage room they dragged him out of.
Well, better than getting sacrificed to the diversity lords for diversity points. This last bit makes me believe the theory of marvelfags pretending to be rabid dcfags defending every single thing DC does and attacking anyone that dares question one single thing they do by attacking marvel. I've heard this theory before of guys pretending to play for the other team and acting obnoxious so they make the other team look bad.

>>89717533
Oh, right. Those guys.

Man, how many anti-Justice Leagues did Johns create?

>JLA
>CSA
>Doom Patrol

>>89717498
theyre working on it, actually! lol

>>89717616
Yeah, but what if there was a way to take a man's sperm and put it inside a woman who would be willing to carry that man's child to term?

>>89717684
You do realize that in that method you do not have two gay people conceiving, right?

>>89717722
Well, there is that and while it is unfortunate, it's still possible for at least one of them to have a biological child.

Ergo, E2 Obsidian could still exist despite his father being gay.

>>89717586
>Well, better than getting sacrificed to the diversity lords for diversity points.
Again, why do you have a problem with this? Who gives a shit?

>>89717498
But the thing about Jade and Obsidian are that they are Alan's kids without him knowing about. The woman he sowed his seed with faked her death and gave them up for adoption.

>>89717722
Isn't Alan's husband dead anyway?

The difference is that he context would change if he decides to have them. Maybe give him magical kids or something.

>>89717789
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Todd_Rice_(Earth_2)
He already exist. Existed rather...

>>89717824
There's ways to make it work. Stretches and whatnot, but they can make it work.

Or, they could have made it work. It doesn't really matter now because E2 is ending soon and the original JSA is coming back.

>>89710716
Who's the glowing black guy shooting lasers and where can I read more about him?

>>89717959
The Ray and people are shitposting lots of things about right right now in this thread that give context clues on where to start.

>>89717586
Or OR there's fans of both marvel and DC.

>>89714505
>Superpussy

>>89717586
>Well, better than getting sacrificed to the diversity lords for diversity points.

I mean, they're doing it at their own will and want to include diversity because they feel they're creative inclined to or agree with it so they do it.

There's literally nothing wrong with a creator wanting diversity regardless of context. Because the creator is always just that, a creator and he's the conductor of his narrative and should be rightfully so. However if you don't agree with it, you're free to disagree or not support him, but attacking it from the point of "He's just trying to promote diversity" or "he's whoring out his political agenda" isn't really a great argument.

>>89717586
DCfags will always and I mean ALWAYS find a way to blame Marvel for something. No one is even studying your broke asses.

>>89718252
It's on both sides, let's be honest. Tribalism is cancer

>>89718221
>>89717558
Yeah but it kinda affects everything in a shared universe setting. What if a new creator didn't want a character to be gay? Is it just tough luck and make their own? Even though we allow the reverse? I'm not really sure if there is any fair solution to this most people would agree too.

>>89718221
That begs the question of why make a straight character gay instead of use a already established gay character?

>>89718402
You can easily just bring over a copy from another universe or dimension or something. It's comics, nothing is forever besides the things people actually like. Hypercrisis theory and all.

>>89718480
Sure but then you start the arguments on which is the "legitimate" incarnation. The whole thing seems to be the nuclear option to breathing new life into old concepts.

>>89718402
>What if a new creator didn't want a character to be gay?

In which....they don't make them gay. In all these examples of the character being gay, all the creators have said they're okay with this and that they support this.

>Is it just tough luck and make their own?
No, as the creator they choose the narrative.

>I'm not really sure if there is any fair solution to this most people would agree too.

The fair solution is, people create what they want. In the case of the aforementioned character, the creator himself was put forth the notion. In which case the creator himself is okay with the idea.

>>89718607
I don't think you understand. Let's say someone comes along who writes the X-Men, they want to do something with Iceman's old relationships that requires him to have some romantic interest with them but he's gay in canon now. Do you tell them to fuck off? Are they allowed to tell their story in 616? What? I'm speaking generally and not just in the case of the Ray.

>>89718402
>What if a new creator didn't want a character to be gay?

You mean what if a creator of a new character didn't want said character to be gay, but another writer made him so? Welll in most cases creators themselves understand their characters will take different incarnations. Some people hate what certain writers do, but they can understand, that it's that specific creator's take on that character. Now if he flat out protested fair enough, but at the end of the day the character belongs to the company. They retain all rights to the characters and what happens to them. As an artist you have to accept you're part of a brand that has different perspectives and all those will differ depending the writer.

That being said, a majority of creators often times support the writer's take on their character and more than often they support any creative direction other writers take.

>>89718784
No, an older character who was revealed to be gay by a previous writer.

>>89718763
>Do you tell them to fuck off?
No. In the case a writer wants to tackle a certain story a certain way, the writer of the original idea can always complain about that shit, but at the end of the day the new writer has creative liberty to do as he please.

>>89718830
So let me get this correct.

>Hero is gay under a writer
>A different writer comes aboard
>New writer makes Hero straight

If that was the case then as stated before, he can do as he please with that character.

>>89712024
Oh yeah, Lobo is the problem, not Vril Dox

>>89718565
People already argue NOT MUH all the time, nothing new

>>89718953
Not necessarily like that but yeah, that was the gist I was getting at. Making a character gay always felt like an absolute there's no going back on unless you want everyone on your ass. At least with alternate universes or legacy characters you can usually get away with bullshit. Something like Jane Thor is reversible at the end of the day.

>>89719030
People get extra pissy if you did something like that with certain demographics. Worst case you end up branded a bigot and out of work regardless of intent.

>>89719147
Honestly I think you walk it back as bisexual or "queer" or just have them say they made an exception if you absolutely have to write a straight love story. But it's not like real people where it affects many aspects of things (like who you bring to gatherings and shit). The reader only sees what you write.

I still think it's less about ~diversity~ and more about attempting to give the character some kind of hook to make him popular since nothing else has worked. I doubt this will either though and they'll try something new later on.

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>>89710716
After Supergirl I don't trust Orlando

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>>89719664
Fun fact: Happy Harbor is a landmark in the DCU and is one of the first homes of the justice league.

It was in the new 52 also in forever evil #1, the place where the crime syndicate gathered all the villains

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>>89715782
Vixen actually needs the development though

>>89710716
No previews yet?

>>89714801
>>The Ray looking like Firestorm
casual detected

>>89720774
literally posted the preview in the thread

>>89716716
Holy shit gay dating is not that difficult, dude. A lot of gay people hang out with one another and it's really easy now with the internet. Plus some amount of time passed since he left the house so it probably took a while for him to adjust. Just because you can't find someone that can handle your autism doesn't mean everyone else is hopeless.

>>89714590
>Wasn't he replaced by some other Lobo?

Yeah he was. DC released how retarded that was and took the piss out of it in HJGLC. He's forever trapped in a Brainiac bottle

>>89721191

Realized*

>>89719664
>Happy Harbor

Oh no are we getting some Young Justice synergy

>>89716040

>And of all the characters they choose to turn gay they go with the fucking Ray Terrill Ray?

Orlando's a Ray fanboy

>>89721413

Kill yourself

>>89716505
>Same way that Alan Scott was gay but wasn't the same Alan Scott

Because that was a different universe altogether you cunt

>>89710716
Leagues need Lanterns. Put Guy Gardner on this team.

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>>89710716
>no Green Arrow
>no Black Lightning
>no Metamorpho
>no blue and gold
>Vibe is missing in action
>Shazam isn't doing shit
How much longer do we have to wait?
>Lobo

>>89721631
I approve of this message

>>89721685
Johns needs to hurry on that Shazam ongoing. We still don't know the new names for the Marvel family

>>89721631
Leave them alone, they are busy.

>>89711998
>>89719004
The problem is your shit taste if you think either of them were bad.

>>89711994

He's just back. Been in super max and super secret jail. Nubo is literally shelved for forever. Don't ask questions just praise REBIRTH.

>>89714676
>This is a random as fuck line up and Black Canary really doesn't belong
She has to got somewhere when Harley takes over BOP

>>89710716
Lobo, you sexy motherfucker.

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>>89710716
New52 JLA was better. Good mix of heroes and antiheroes- the premise of them forming together was better than this crap as well

>>89710716
Fuck yeah I'm ready. Ivan Reis is back on the fucking JLA.

>>89725295
>>89717533
I don't know, both teams were good, but I think I would have preferred a better mixture of the two.

>Martian Manhunter.
>Supergirl.
>Green Arrow.
>Vibe
>Animal Man.
>Hawkman.
>Stargirl.
>Equinox.

>>89714590
Yes, he was, and DC should have kept him around, but people constantly need Muh 90's extreme lobo

>>89724712
Vril Dox is great. He is also a manipulative, sociopathic megalomaniac.

>>89715368
Oliver Queen is important to Batman?

>>89725811
The new JLA is just the comic version of the CW universe + Batman & Lobo

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>>89716676
Why doesnt the fucker just come back? Him & Soule were among the top dogs at DC and now they're serving as Bendis's bitches

>>89727539
He occasionally shows up to shittalk Batman

>>89712024
>Lobo in a team book is a mistake

Only if you expect him to be a team player instead of using him as a nuclear option you drop on a problem.

>>89715368
>They've so much shit in common
Like what?
>and grew up essentially together.
Since when?

>>89714984
>Making Ray gay is just as bad as making Iceman gay

Maybe to the three Ray fans out there. He's been rebooted, that's fair game. Not like he had any memorable girlfriends, iirc. He fucked Black Canary once, that was about it, and that was pretty questionable writing.

>>89718406

Because there are very few established gay characters and in the case of someone like Ray, being gay doesn't change really anything fundamental about him. It might in fact potentially make him more interesting than the old version that never really caught on.

>>89710716
who cares?
they are a pretty weak team though.

Bring back JLI.

>>89728491
The Main Man is a solid tank
Killer Frost is a real threat to Firestorm and recently beat Supes
The Ray is an energy being
Vixen's powerset is really versatile

That's 3-4 heavy hitters right there on a team of 7. And between Batwank and feminism Bats and Dinah will be instrumental to saving the day a lot of the time.

>>89728588
put Kyle or someone fun on the team
they're all too moody

>>89718221
>Because the creator is always just that, a creator
Except he's not a fucking "creator" that's the entire point. He didn't create a new character, he just used an old one and used the exact same costume and origin, he only changed his sexuality. It's the very definition of forced diversity.

>>89721471
Not likely.

>>89728620
>PTSD lantern
>fun

>>89728893
I haven't read him since JLA
what happened?

>>89711915
No it isnt.

>>89714676
>Black Canary doesn't belong

nigger what

>>89714695
Wut

>>89719887
>After Supergirl I don't trust Orlando
How bad is it?

>>89714801
Literally all of those character are big names who got put in the shows BECAUSE of their popularity.

>>89728620
They should add Harley Quinn, she's DC's most fun character :^)

>>89728996
Are you retarded or just pretending?

>>89729017
Only Black Canary is a big name out of that bunch, and she's certainly not that big of a name.

>>89728491
Lobo and Killer Frost are near Superman-tier., and Canary is regularly shown as being fucking devastating.

>>89728620
>Lobo
>moody

>>89729043
Are you?

>>89729078
I'm not the one making retarded posts like "wut?" and "nigga what".

>>89710716

Well it's certainly an eclectic and interesting mix. I could see it being pretty entertaining, even if they're a little lacking in versatility. Lobo's STRONG and all... like, he's capable of brawling with Superman, right? But at the same time I don't see him having the ability to bring that strength to bear in the same way as Superman or Wonder Woman, for instance. And he's arguably the powerhouse of the group.

Not that every team needs to be world-endingly strong to be entertaining. Just an observation.

>>89729112
You do know that you're allowed to say the nigger word on 4chan, right?

>>89729146
And? I didn't call you a racist, I just said you made a dumb meaningless post.

>>89729164
That guy said "nigger," and you changed it to "nigga." Did you come from Reddit or something?

>>89729188
It's the same thing except nigga what is the classic expression. Do you feel like a big man for saying nigger? You must think you're real mature and edgy. Go back to /b/, faggot.

>>89724712
I never said Lobo was bad, retard. Learn to read.

>>89710716
meh, no fan of any them really

>>89710716
love the team, except for Batman. Hopefully he just puts together the team and fucks off for the rest of the run.

>>89710716
This looks like more of a pitch for the next season of Legends of Tomorrow than anything.

>>89716116
>Lobo on the team is more of a problem to me than Dinah. But I'm not a fan of his outside of guest appearances.

Honestly I think that's where Lobo belongs. The only Lobo stories I've enjoyed where his name was in the title have been Lobo/Mask and Lobo/Hitman, where his overwhelming personality and presence are bouncing off of other characters who own half or more of the spotlight. As a protagonist he falls flat, but in a book with other protagonist characters he can be pretty entertaining.

>>89718080
So, The Ray is gay now and had a shit one shot recently? Okay, but I have a better question; what was his backstory, what are his powers, and is their any good stories of him, be they from the far past or recent times?

Also, to put in my own two cents, I don't care about the faggotry; I just want the future books to be good.

I wish they just called em Outsiders, instead of JLA, it makes no sense. How are they the JL of America? The original book made sense, they were formed by the American Government.

>>89730886
One of the ads made a statement about how they look like America because of the diversity among them

>>89728946
Omega Men happened

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>>89721077
>justt because you can't find someone that can handle your autism doesn't mean everyone else is hopeless.

>>89730931
Top kek, and I thought people shouting forced diversity about this title were exaggerating...

>>89715282
>They originally planned to have Wally turn into a black dude because of synergy
New 52 was out before the show.

>>89715282
The Ray is gay because of Multiversity.

>>89732063
>Implying America doesn't look like two white American males, two white American females, an African, an Asian, and a Space Mexican

>>89732325
Some of the changes were to prepare the DCU for the adaptations. Cyborg was added to the League because a higher up demanded a token black and threatened to nuke GL canon for John to be "THE" Green Lantern. Geoff Johns being a GL fanboy tossed Manhunter under the bus just to save them.

>>89732366
Stop with this meme.

>>89721077
>Plus some amount of time passed since he left the house so it probably took a while for him to adjust
It was not properly shown though, skipping over character development is hacky as fuck. Why do you intentionally ignore half of a sentence and concentrate on one small out of context part? Dating in general should be hard for an 18 year old kissless virgin that's never even held hands with someone and has barely interacted with several people all his life. The two important questions asked that you lot haven't found good answers for are
1) Why use the Ray Terrill version instead of creating a new character? I'm sure a lot of people that didn't know the character will find it stupid that The Ray's name is Ray anyway.
2) Why use the back story with him living in isolation if you're not going to deal with the consequences of such a life? This goes back to the first point where creating a new character that lived normally and unknowingly stored energy until he was 18 and then suddenly blew up and then decided to go into hiding for a few months and then comes out as a hero would've been more fitting. Ignoring the sexuality aspect, I personally thought that even before they didn't do a good job exploring a fairly unique character like this that lived in isolation for so long, it just feels stupid to give him such an unique origin and then try to portray him as a regular hip teenage guy instead of a generally awkward person that hasn't had much interaction with people and the one shot did an even worse job of that.

>>89731549
Also GLC

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>The Ray now is The Gay
No. Asian Ray is better than this shit.

>>89733113
>regular hip teenage guy
>not an awkward person
He kinda would be IRL since looks like a damn tool but in in fiction every hipster looks like him.