Holy shit. Fucking Batman on suicide watch. Simon "Second

Someone post Wally tearing Bruce eight new assholes at once

>Maybe you should ask yourself why you have such a problem with me carrying a gun!
Are you goddamn serious, Simon?

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>>89664231
>Progun character portrayed as being in the right in a DC comic
Awwwwwwww yis

>>89664231
Bruce doesn't mind cops and civilians owning guns, he is right, Baz is a shitty hero, but is not his fault, it was a dumb idea by Johns

>>89665064

yeah it shows bruces parents graves on the next page with batman looking mad

dont really know where this came from because baz has been pretty chill and laid back and doesnt really fit

>>89665131
Well, the issue ends with Alfred being controlled by the Scarecrow and sneakily taking control of Baz's gun and pointing it at Baz.

>power rings can fail

Yeah, if you suck at them. Why is Kyle the only Green Lantern to ever read the fucking manual?

>>89665131
I don't think Simon has a license.

I'm pretty sure he just steal his gun from a psychopath.

>>89665299
Baz's ring is an amalgamation of Hal and Sinestro trying to create a ring so it's a shitty crafted ring and bound to fail. Why he hasn't gotten someone at Oa to send him a new one is beyond me.

>>89665299
Because he's a nerd.
>>89665238
Now I'm pissed

>>89665299
Bazs ring is glitchy because its a fusion of sinestros ring and the copy he made hal and both had orders to find someone like them

>>89664231
Doesnt Alfred have a gun?

THat being said, i dont mind Batman and someone else arguing about guns. Hes not perfect, he obviously has his obsessions, i like a good two-sided debate between heroes.

You dont like it, but Batman doesnt like guns. Doesnt mean you have to agree with him, its just the way he is. Hes also been accused of being psychotic, so yeah, not everyones gonna agree with him, lol

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>>89664370

>>89665211
It's a stupid issue, batman has no Fucking problem with guns, he believes they are a weapon for pussies that highly skilled people should not need to use, Bruce has used guns several guns, he hates them, but that's it, this page is pretty much one of those cheap ways to try to make Baz look good. At the end the writer sounds retarded

>>89665131
>politics in comics are only OK if I agree with them

>>89664231
Baz is weak in will and therefore he needs a backup gun because his ring "fails" on him.

Baz weak is weak in will which makes his ring "fail" which is why he needs a gun.

In short Baz doesn't have the will to be a Green Lantern.

>>89665299
Like the single most classic Green Lantern trope is "oh shit my ring ran out of power!" which was overused before Hal Jordan was even created.

>>89665445
>Baz weak is weak in will which makes his ring "fail" which is why he needs a gun.

It's cause his ring is a piece of shit.

>>89665399
>he believes they are a weapon for pussies that highly skilled people should not need to use
So he secretly thinks Alfred is a pussy?

>>89665211
It came from Baz being sick of people calling him out on the gun thing. Also from the fact that Humphries is a hack writer.

>>89665445
It runs out of battery, it doesn't fail due to will.

>>89664231
According to Bruce it's only ok when Jason does it

>>89665445
the ring is an almagation of both Sinestro and Hal who melded a ring looking for their own version of a great Green lantern, Baz was the result.

>>89665370
>fan fic/10
At marvel your OC gets to be Spider-Man or some shit, at DC your husbandi gets to shit on Batman.
Capes are At an all time low.

>>89665536
No, he believes Alfred and Gordon are not superpowered people or Ninjas, but a good cop, and an elderly actor that was a medic on the army half a century ago.

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>>89664231
>>89665370
BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT

>>89665131
I'm pretty sure Simon shouldn't have a gun. He's more likely to go around shooting Jews with it and massacring Shiites.

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>>89665615
>>it's okay when BATMAN calls out people cause he's cool,when other heroes do it it's BS!!1!1!1!

>>89665615
And Batman is always the asshole, no matter what.

I'd be alright with these numerous "GOTCHA!" moments if they weren't the weakest, most contrived shit fabricated for all parties involved specifically for these moments almost every time.

>>89665615
You sound salty, friend.

>>89665639
It's not like Simon is using his gun to fight crime, it's always been there as a backup weapon and last resort.

Batman's grappling hook is pretty much a gun.

>>89665789
Not half as salty as the guy looking for me to defend Johns.
>>89665732
>kek

>>89665131
I think it had less to do with gun ownership and more to do with islamaphobia

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>>89664231
B-but muh parents. ;-;

>>89665877
>defending Johns.
Touche, friend.

>>89665732
Shit, I guess Bruce DOES have a superpower.

>Able to move goalposts at the speed of light

>>89665732
That was shit too. but it was Johns so it's expected, and the point is that it doesnt make sense. IT was like when Bruce was telling Wally than 5 years olds that can't even read have no place in the battle ground and he was right. Especially after the whole Zoom Deal or knowing the story of Reverse Flash, it made no fucking sense. Bruce is Right about Baz, It would be cool if Baz used a Manhunter road, it would fit the GL suff, he could keep his shitty ring, the gun was a shitty gimmick that sucks, but i want jessica and baz dead anyway so it doesnt really affect me.

>>89665370
This is complete bullshit though. The flashes villains are no more organized than the others minus the fact that some writers have them meet up in some ones basement to drink beer from time to time. Only Captain cold is worth a shit. The others shouldn't even be able to do shit to the flash.

>>89665878
But I don't see any mention of Islam anon.

>>89664231

This is actually pretty OOC for Batman, like he doesn't bitch about Gordon using a gun, or even fucking Alfred using a gun. Like, Batman has no problem with people not personally involved in the bat-family using guns.

>>89665732

M8, that was complete bullshit, not only Wondy was murderbitch, not only Bruce was CRYING when Superman died and at that moment in Batman/Superman they had the best relationship they ever had to the point of thinking of each others as brothers, No one liked that when it came out. Bruce Joking about Kryptonite in the athmosphere as banter? That is in character, telling Superman he fucked up and was a shitty leader? in character. Infinite Crisis was shit.

>>89665732
I want you to post one more page of Batman calling another hero out. Just one more.

>>89664231
>hero gets depowered through some bullshit trotted out by a villain
>villain is gloating
>shot rings out and they fall dead or at least badly wounded
>turns out the hero carried a gun just in case their powers got fucked over

Granted, it won't work against individuals where guns won't matter dick, but it would be funny just seeing the reaction from the villain and onlookers.

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>>89665942
To be fair though it made sense at the time,Wally was always kinda scared of batman since he was a kid,then after the whole loosing your unborn kid thing,loosing the flash museum and finding out your uncle Barry fucked up two villians without telling you.Wally was in a bad mood altogether,Oliver was the one to snap him back

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>>89666086
He called out the whole league in identity crisis

>>89666098

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cZqRzHnI8s

>>89666129
>>89666192

I keep forgetting how good Identity Crisis was.

>>89666192
>Identity Crisis
>555-COME-ON-NOW.jpg

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>>89665977
>forgetting about Mirror Master
>forgetting about how no one tops the Top
>forgetting about weather wizard
>forgetting about motherfucking Digger.

>>89666129
I think that the problem people has with that is that is out of character, wally is wrong, and batman would probably tell him that the kids should train with Max and Jay or something.

>>89665977
Mirror Master can literally create perfect Mirror Duplicates of everyone and can even mimic their abilities. Heatwave melted a Black Lantern Ring somehow. Weather Wizard no joke has grown a tornado inside someone. They're pretty good outside Trickster

>>89666192
He didnt.

I do want terrorist lantern using a manhunter weapon.

>>89664231
Not to mention that Batman also carries bombs in his belt. He is more of a terrorist than Simon's ever was.

>>89666331
>Weather Wizard no joke has grown a tornado inside someone.


He used to be good, Heatwave is and will always be shit, Waid and Johns could had done more interesting things.

>>89666487
Batman's the real villain.

>>89665370
No, the one where Bruce tries to lecture about the Teen Titans being in over their heads and Wally says "this, coming from YOU? How many Robins have you gotten killed by now?"

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>>89666216

Wizards are fucking OP.

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>>89664231

The way this page is laid out is really weird.

He goes from a calm decent logical retort to flipping his shit from zero to sixty.

Really it just escalated. Drop the first speech bubble and it works but he just comes off as crazy.

>>89664231
Is this going to be a thing for the next four to eight years? Every time something remotely non-tumblry happens all the /pol/ kiddies are going to circlejerk over it being validation of there opinions?

>>89666665
A grand total of Zero at that moment.

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>>89665942
>IT was like when Bruce was telling Wally than 5 years olds that can't even read have no place in the battle ground and he was right.

Well ya. Ya gotta wait till they're at least 17

>>89666761
>you're /pol/ if you like the Second Amendment and seeing Batman get shit on
wew lad

>>89666761
No you idiot, this was done by a retarded anti-Batman idiot that believes that a page that makes no fucking sense specially with GORDON there means batman was BTFO

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>>89665334
>Needing a license
Maybe he lives in a free state

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> Batman had let Superman know he'd figured out his secret identity but kind of forgot what investigative reporters do for a living

> Merry fucking Christmas, Bruce

>>89666848
You are probably a teen, but there's a difference between 5 years old and teens that can make stupid choices but at least can choose. The youngest a Robin was in new earth was dick at age 13, but he didnt took on meta humans until he was 15 when he fought blockbuster.

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>>89666974

you're kind of thick

>>89666945
He gave him his favorite movie of all time... and that is bad according to you?

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>>89666665
That was about Wally's kids, not Teen Titans. His kids were also going to be dead in a couple years anyhow, which is why he was taking them on superhero adventures. Batman didn't know that last part.

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>>89666323
To be fair though,Wally's kids did look like 6 year olds half the time how was batman supposed to know they were dying,likewise Wally has never really liked batman all that much

>>89666715

Probably because the realization set in in the first panel when he realized he was getting lectured by a guy with souped up vehicles geared up with military-grade weapons and a belt packed with various kinds of explosives and other potentially lethal devices.

I'd change gears too if someone was being a huge hypocrite like that.

>>89664231
Why doesn't Batman just shoot the Joker?

>>89665615
Batman shits on everyone all the time. That it happens to him 1/100th the amount is not shit or bad.

>>89665942
>like when Bruce was telling Wally than 5 years olds that can't even read have no place in the battle ground and he was right
Reminder that Jason's death was still canon at that point with no Lazarus Pit resurrection. If you thought Bruce had the high ground in that argument maybe you should reread the page and everyone's reaction; Bruce had his ass handed to him on the spot.

>>89667149

It really doesn't work even considering that. They should have had Batman try to argue with him some more. Some line like

>Heroes should be above thi

and then he explodes

>>89666323
Wally was a speed force god, why should he let Batman tell him how to raise his superpowered kids.

>>89667057
How do you shoot the gun

I don't want to derail this thread to crazy town, but I just have to know. What kind of gun does that dude have?

>>89667094
>Batman didn't know that last part.

Yeah, the rest of the team only knew about Zoom kinda killing them even before they were born, but kinda don't. Wally's answert was pretty stupid, after all steph was alive, wasnt really a robin, and was fired, and Jason dying was Jason's fault. Wally response in context of how emotional he was at that particular time makes sense, but he was wrong, anyway, the Team on the other hand was just worried since Wally's action made zero sense.

>>89667258
[accidentally throws it]

>>89667265

I doubt any real world model. Probably just whatever the current artist thinks a hand gun looks like

>>89667265
Gun brand gun, like this anon said >>89667305

>>89667122
>Wally has never really liked batman all

That's pretty much modern shit. Just like the deal with the lanterns.

Lanterns should just get rid of their power rings and use guns instead.

>>89666945
>forgot what investigative reports do
Or aliens with X-Ray vision, maybe?
Is Bruce's love of Zorro, and his dreadful childhood memory of what occurred after seeing it, even well known?
Seems like an odd thing to be common knowledge in-universe.
>>89667035
It's more of a
>hey Clark I know who you are haha
>Oh cool have this movie, it's BRUCE WAYNE'S favorite
Essentially "I know who you are too"

>>89667272
Wally wasn't snapping about Batman letting them die. He was snapping at Batman lecturing him on having kid sidekicks when he had 4 by then.

Batman probably thought they were a bit too young, even by his standards (I mean last he knew they were literally newborns) and also didn't know they didn't have long to live. It wasn't about Batman's negligence as a mentor or whatever.

Wally's reaction made plenty of sense. Batman, from his point of view, was being a massive hypocrite. The thing that made the least sense was how Batman phrased it -- which can be explained by him not knowing their new sped up ages.

>>89667265


A revolver with a handgun probably

>>>/k/32846453

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>>89667357
Hal had the right idea

>>89667357
Superman should fight crime with a Kord 12.7mm

>>89667353
Wally and Bruce have never gotten along in the history of their existence.

And it makes sense. Wally only sees Bruce through how he treats Dick before he was a JL member. Would not paint him well. I imagine most of the original Titans probably shouldn't like Bruce that much besides Dick.

It only got worse when Wally joined the JL. Batman treated him like a tool rather than a person most of the time.

>>89667265
He took it off an FBI agent so whatever gun a FBI agent would carry.

>>89667230
>It really doesn't work even considering that.

It does, Baz already knows how Batman operates and his capabilities. He already knows he gets shit on for carrying a gun even though a power ring is technically a far superior tool for the job. Like he already explained, rings can and have failed, so he wasn't going to let Batman get a word in edgewise before he could get on any sort of high horse.

If anything, Batman would look worse trying to go for the whole "Heroes should be above this." schtick when he's the one using vehicles packed to the gills with explosive ordnance and a belt full of devices that can potentially turn people into ground beef.

>>89667360

He invited him to the manor, they knew their identities but they were not close yet. for me is one of my favorite superman moments, he understand Batman before bruce even tried to open himself is sweet of clark.

My favorite Batman moment includes superman, Superman goes to ask for a favor and Batman answer is "you can't borrow my pirate ship"

>it's a "let's have Bruce be a judgemental autistic asshole just so <Main Character> can BFTO him" issue

I swear to god, this is like 50% of Batmans appeareances.

>>89664231
Who the fuck is this guy?

Did they kill of Gardner, the other guy or John Stewart for this faggot?

Batman doesn't mind people owning guns, though.

>>89667512

Look I get the logic, I have no issue with the logic but the issue is the panel layout. The execution just makes him seem like he's suddenly flipping his shit. Fuck even just given his first speech bubble an exclamation point at the end would change it for the better.

>>89667440
>Wally and Bruce have never gotten along in the history of their existence.

They did, the second part is true, Wally hated the whole Dick deal, but Wally also knew how much of an ego dick had, as for the JL, remember Wally was an insecure idiot and later he was a huge dick with Kyle. and bruce was pretty protective in his own way with Kyle, when Kyle and Wally became friends that stopped.

>>89667440
>It only got worse when Wally joined the JL. Batman treated him like a tool rather than a person most of the time.

To be fair Giffen wrote Wally as a lecherous jerk.

>>89665370
>this page not the infinitely better one.

>>89666945

I just took that as Supes seeing the Zorro DVD and thinking "Hey, that looks like something Bats would enjoy"

>>89667564
>>89667568
> I swear to god, I only read what /co/ storytimes, I'm an expert now right

>>89664231
>Sometimes rings fail
Don't guns fail too? Like, you know, jamming, misfiring, so on so forth? Batman has a pretty legit reason to dislike guns, and this pages feels like it's right out of a civil war 2 tie in.

>>89667568
No, this is Johns trying to create a diverse character. That happens to be just another american lantern.

>>89667694

Oh please, showing up Batman is the go-to thing to show that the main character totally doesn't care about the Justice Leauge in this run or whatever.

>>89667706
If you own a shit gun, run shitty bottom shelf ammunition through it, and don't clean and lubricate your gun yes; but generally speaking a broken in gun that you take care of and use good defensive ammunition in is pretty reliable.

>>89667645
To be fair, Giffens writes everyone as a lecherous jerk.

>>89667193
Jason's death is literal proof that Bruce was was right, he's literally speaking from experience. It's also nowhere near as sick a burn as people claim because only one Robin died the rest went on to become their own heroes.

>>89667694
No it was just a legit question. I know Gardner, Kyle, John. Today I found out Tim is black now or dead or some shit. I stopped reading with the new 52 shit. I drew the line there after the whole black lantern rainbow shit.

>>89667463
So, it should be a glock 22 or the manlet/concealed carry version glock 23.

Wait. He didn't keep a gun stolen from a federal agent?

>>89664231
You fucking for real?
One's transportation, the other's carefully used on specific threats, and the third is a nebulous category including fucking tasers and shark repellant.

Meanwhile he's carrying around a weapon designed for the sole purpose of killing people.

>>89667706
Yeah but even if your gun jams you can still hit somebody with it

>>89667766
Nice get

So, does Simon take care of his gun? Has he been shown on panel doing any cleaning or maintenance to his pistol?

>>89667844
>FBI using Glock 22's
I thought they switched to Sigs because even .40 s&w was too strong for their glass wrists.

>>89667645
Wally was a piece of shit for awhile too, yeah.

It makes sense. They really should not like each other. They have so little in common and are basically just coworkers who hate each other.

>>89667863
>Meanwhile he's carrying around a weapon designed for the sole purpose of killing people.

Key difference? Batman chases muggers and rapists. Simon? HE'S FIGHTING GALACTIC WARLORDS!!

>>89667766
>If you own a shit gun, run shitty bottom shelf ammunition through it, and don't clean and lubricate your gun yes; but generally speaking a broken in gun that you take care of and use good defensive ammunition in is pretty reliable.

Someone that stole a gun probably wont do all that.

And that is a good point. Why use a gun when you can use other stuff in that universe? Why not some alien weird weapon? Why not Change it, steal the weapon from the last enemy you beat to have a nice unique gimmick.

Why all know that it was all about character designe and nothing more.

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>I'M BEING LECTURED ON FIRE SAFETY BY THE MAN WITH 3RD DEGREE BURNS?
This is all I can think when people post that page, what was Wally's fucking point?

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>>89667687
>"Hey, that looks like something Bats would enjoy"

>>89667618

And I'd say that Baz's sequence of reacting makes perfect sense when telling someone off for acting like a huge hypocrite, he's only fed up by the end of his dialogue, not "exploding" as you put it.

>>89668010
>HE'S FIGHTING GALACTIC WARLORDS!!

He should use Galactic tier weapons then.

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>>89667762
>>batman never shows up other heros as well

>>89667824
Then why does he still have a Robin?
>Hypocrite

>>89668010
If a single cop can take you down, I don't think you classify as a Galactic Warlord.

Fuck, now I feel like a Batfag.

>>89668025
That is Based and in character for both.

>has the most powerful weapon in the universe
>is so incompetent that he still manages to get hurt
>lashes out at a man who just wants to do the right thing

Why does Bateman get shit on so much?

>>89668090

Geoff Johns writes the worst fucking Batman ever I have no idea how people can defend this garbage.

>>89668131
>Based
you must be 18+ to post on 4chan

>>89668109
Did he at that point in time?

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>>89667964
That's the best way to put it,Wally and Bruce were always cold to each other the only real connection they had was Dick

>>89668010
I mean Simon really should get a legit space gun. The gun thing only made sense when he was first around, dude should've gotten some real gear at some point.

>>89668205
Yes.

>>89667863
>Meanwhile he's carrying around a weapon designed for the sole purpose of killing people
Yes, and when you need to kill someone it's exceptionally good at it's job, so what's the problem?

>>89668055
Batman: You shouldn't be bringing your kids along on your vigilante missions. It's irresponsible

Wally: Bruce you hypocrite you've literally had 3 sidekicks who were younger than my children

>>89668243
thank god he's not written by garth ennis who'd have simon lecture us on how god tier his $300 department store firearm is

>>89668090

>posting Johns
>posting Johns batman
>posting Johns JL

for fucks sake, at least post when Batman stole Kyle ring (and Kyle learned to believe in himself).

>>89668109
The heir to the world had been training since birth, and needed a mssion to not turn into a monster, Wally's kids just wanted to play with Dad as far as the league knew.

>>89668270
Who?

>>89668200
I thought based was already past its prime. Wouldn't that make the anon older?

>>89668243

ALL Lanterns should get a space gun or some other backup weapon in case their rings run out of juice.

>>89668216
I love this because it's a callback to Waid's JLA Year One where they tell Hal "We only let you think you run things because it makes you feel better. Barry runs things, he's the smart responsible one."

>>89668320
let's just both pretend I posted a reaction image of Han Solo looking credulous and move on here

>>89668292
>$300 department store firearm
Would Batman even let his friends buy hi-points?

>>89668293
>The heir to the world had been training since birth, and needed a mssion to not turn into a monster, Wally's kids just wanted to play with Dad as far as the league knew.

Batman's point was specifically about their age. They were like 13 and 12 respectively (Iris was specifically old enough to be a Teen Titan, which was in the works but got scrapped).

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>>89668375

>>89668390

A gun is a fucking gun, even if it is an ugly slab of shit.

>>89668338

And this is the entire argument, from Manhunter weapons, space weird looking stuff, some solid light secundary weapon, or some plain old fashioned lasers, A handgund is a shit option

>>89668317
Tim
>whose dad was killed by of superhero shenanigans.
And Steph
>whobwas tortured and definitely raped by Black mask because she was Robin.

>>89667932
They were thinking about it but didn't go through with it. 9mm glocks are used for people who fail with the 40. But from the artist standpoint the glocks are as generic as it gets.

>>89668243
What gun SHOULD he have.

>>89668424
>They were like 13 and 12 respectively

I'm pretty sure at that point they were younger, Jai looked older.

>>89668512
>What gun SHOULD he have.
I'm sure at some point in GL history there've been some really good alien guns. They're literally space cops. Confiscating good alien guns is one of their jobs.

Fuck the Manhunters all had super space guns. Just go get one from storage.

>>89668537
Iris was older than Jai (despite them being twins, her aging was a little faster) and was a teenager.

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>>89668485
>A gun is a fucking gun
Nigga, that's just plain wrong; shit like reliability, accuracy, ease of maintenance, ergonomics, ease of concealment, magazine size, etc. can all vary wildly from gun to gun.

>>89668494
>A handgund is a shit option

A bullet can potentially kill anyone that isn't brick-tier or has the tech/magic to make it irrelevant, in which case, I doubt a space laser would make much of a difference.

At this point it's probably just a matter of preference and going with what you're familiar with, in this case, it's a common human developed weapon.

>>89668653
Narratively a gun is a gun. If you need it to shoot someone it will shoot them as well as you want it to.

>>89668653
put it back in your pants coc/k/sucker, there's a reason why MIB gave us the Noisy Cricket. IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE A REGULAR GUN

>>89665417
Problem with writers doing politics in comics is that they really aren't subtle about shoving only their viewpoint in, which you can do and encourage in itself, but they also end up strawmanning badly in the process. It does help to have different viewpoints yes. Comes across as less biased when you show different viewpoints.

Big problem with politics in comics is that its hamfisted. I'm not even talking about the example in the OP, I'm saying that most of the time the writer has no amount of subtlety towards their side and is completely ham-handed making things a bad caricature. Its like its not really convincing anyone or made to convince anyone, I'm not entirely sure what its trying to do at times. You honestly could have had a biting point if you were the least bit subtle about it. If you can have a conversation between two characters who have opposing viewpoints without strawmanning one side of the debate, then that's kinda close at least. I'm still pretty sure it'll be ham-handed, but its a lot better than normal.

Comics are bad at doing moral greyness, rather than black and white. One of the only examples of it I can recall that they did morally grey is Hitman when he technically saved the Justice League. Although to be fair half the Justice League was sort of a bad caricature of themselves in that issue. Only Superman was still written well. Batman usually has to hold the asshole card in stories like that, and take it the worst.

Anyway, taking morally grey issues and boiling them down to absolutes where the writers side punches out the other side of the debate who is cast as a villain, it gets annoying. It feels a lot like just preaching to the choir if the writer is ham-handed. Since I rarely see good satire play out in comics, politics being mentioned is annoying. But its not to say it can't happen. OP comic at least has marginal effort, although Batman looks like he's written in that usual asshole crossover style.

Hey rememebr that time Batman punched Guy Gardner out of the 80's and into several more decades of actual existence as a character anyone gave a shit about?
Johns 'members.

>>89668688
Don't start a thread with "second amendment" and expect /k/ not to show up

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>>89668608
>They're literally space cops
>we never see them on stakeouts

>>89665417
Batman and Baz have legitimately different opinions on guns. Seeing that play out is fine.

And the problem isn't politics in and of itself. It's the lack of diversity, the preditiability, and the risk for a shitty author to turn their book into a boring chick tract.

Unless yoou're a bigot, you should be able to enjoy books about and from people with a wide range of political views, and a wide range of topics.

>>89668720
Hey remember when Johns punched Wally's several decades of character development out of existence so he could jerk off to the hero HE remembered growing up, then literally blamed it on Alan Moore?

You might want to come back when you're older.

>>89668836
it took entirely too long for this to be posted but thank you

>>89668653
>Nigga, that's just plain wrong; shit like reliability, accuracy, ease of maintenance, ergonomics, ease of concealment, magazine size, etc. can all vary wildly from gun to gun.

All of those factors don't make what I said any less true.

It's a gun, simple as.

>>89668824
But I thought bringing back Barry was stupid as fuck. He had the best death.

>>89668836
I think my favorite thing about this is even Wally grimaces.

>>89668824
Johns grew up on Wally, dude. If you assume he was reading comics at 10 Barry was already on his way out the door.

Flash Rebirth was EVS's idea that editorial pushed through. Johns did it and his plan was to minimize the damage to the family. That's why Rebirth has all those huge Flash family scenes despite them all getting swept under the rug (contrary to his wishes) right afterwards.

The worst thing he did was fall in line and sell the company line when he knew they were fucked.

Here we see "I used to shoot people with guns and/or let villains die WEEKLY back in the day," Batman giving shit to a a man with a limited power source. Hal Jordan was interrogated by the Russians for MONTHS & brutally tortured when his ring ran out of power. Batman has left the KGBeast to die in a sewer & then decided to never try killing the Joker, a man who is responsible for ostensibly tons of dead people CONSTANTLY literally every time he leaves the madhouse.

>>89668055
>Baz: Guns have saved my life a lot when my ring has failed before, do you realize that you're only hating on me having them for very personal and not applicable reasons for my life. You have hundreds of devices that can substitute for you when something doesn't work, I just have a gun when my powers suddenly shut off, and it has helped.
>Batman: But my parents, I don't want you to have a gun and guns are bad because my parents died by a gun, and you're supposed to automatically know about this and agree with me somehow. You're weak for having this.

Baz is right, Batman only disagrees with it for personal reasons. Guns aren't inherently bad, its a tool like any other. Its what you do with it that dictates what it does. Batman doesn't agree with him being able to defend himself when caught unprotected.

>>89668903
>But I thought bringing back Barry was stupid as fuck. He had the best death.
It was and he did.

All of this was Ethan v Sciver's fault for goading Johns into resurrecting Barry and Cereal Lord obliged him.

>>89669118
>"I used to shoot people with guns and/or let villains die WEEKLY back in the day,"
Bringing Bob Kane Golden Age Batman into this argument never ends well, it's like saying BUT SUPERMAN COULDN'T REALLY FLY HE JUST JUMPED HERE'S ACTION #1 TO PROVE IT.

Accept that Golden Age DC hasn't been canon since before your parents met and don't try to use it to win internet arguments.

>>89668836
Kekimus maximus

>>89668902
>Live in shitty neighbourhood, decide to get gun for HD
>Go to store
>Choice between a glock 19 for $500, or a C9 for $250
>Fuck it, a gun is a gun
>Buy hi-point, throw it on bedside table and forget about it
>Testing and training is for suckers
>Reading book in bed one night, suddenly sound of glass breaking downstairs
>TheTimeHasCome.jpg
>Grab hi-point and rack the slide
>Hollow point cartridge gets hung up on the feed ramp, fucking shitty magazines
>Thankfully the robber is taking his sweet time downstairs, have enough time to unfuck the gun
>Alright, go time
>Open the door with gun in hand, aim it at the invader
>Local hoodlum, Tyronius Nigimus
>Tyronies has a .40 problem solva in his hand
>Start jerking the trigger
>First shot misses, second shot hits him in the stomach
>Gun fucking stovepipes
>Tyronius fucking pissed, holding stomach and raised gun
>Magdumps in my general direction as I'm trying to unjam it, get hit a few times
>As I'm laying on the floor bleeding out and feebly attempting to unfuck the gun, a single thought races through my head
>"Why the fuck didn't I get the glock?"

>>89669118
>Batman has left the KGBeast to die in a sewer
In an issue of Nightwing released a few months later it's revealed that he went back soon after and had him taken to jail.

>>89669361
You mean like when he left the KGBeast locked in an underground bunker to be buried alive in the 80-90s?

>>89668836
This is a good slam . Though I'd honestly like to think he'd be lecturing him about safety because he' lost so many, but I have a feeling the writer just wanted to slam dunk bruce.

>>89667357
That's how they started off oddly enough. The original 'Lanterns' after the Manhunters used guns powered by will that shot energy.

>>89669459
Sounds like backpedaling to me. Also I'm rather sure Nightwing wasn't out in the 80s...

>>89669430

Right, what part of that fucktarded greentext mess changes the fact that it is still a fucking gun regardless of the brand? If I buy a car and find out the model series has a problem with its engines, is it any less of a car because of this flaw?

>>89665445


Baz was only created out of virtue signalling and PC pandering like Mz Marvel anyway

If only there was some way to make a gun coded to your handprint, which would make things a lot harder for a random supervillain to steal (since it would also mean they'd know your identity.)

>>89668986
>EVS's idea
When I see Ethan's name as a writer on a book he gets to have ideas.

When they start believing otherwise we get Jim Lee ruining shit for years.

>>89669666
No, he was created because Johns wanted to make someone like him. A Lebanese person from Michigan.

>>89668836

All the robins are alive/rich/fighters

>>89669666
> buzzword bingo!

Slow down Satan, this isn't /poz/

>>89669710
and 2 of them had died, what's your point?

>>89669710
>All the robins are alive
If you read comic books instead of Wikipedia, you'd know Jason was still dead by the time this was published.

>>89669688
EVS literally took credit for convincing Didio to do it when Didio was shooting the idea down for years.

They only went through with it because Bart's run failed so miserably and they had no hope for Wally's relaunched run (which is what Waid so mad, they scrapped all his plans before his first issue).

You can attribute any of the shitty writing in Rebirth to Johns but it wasn't his idea.

>>89666192
Who could frown with Diana's butt right in front of them?

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>>89669613
Oh, sorry anon, I was being completely retarded, I thought you were saying all guns were created equal.

>>89669710
Jason was dead and Steph didn't benefit from being a Robin at that time.

Dick Grayson has legally died for a bit.
Jason Todd was dead for years until Superboy punches him back into existence.
Jack Drake lost his parents to supervillains randomly interacting with his life.
Stephanie Brown was raped & tortured for being Robin & presumed dead for a LONG time.
Damian got TOTALLY died.

>>89666192

And Batman hatched ways to murder the Justice League behind their backs, almost handing Ra's Al Ghul victory on a silver platter

>>89669745
I think we're in agreement here, apologies if it came across otherwise.

Barry actually dying in 1985 was huge. Him STAYING dead in an industry that had utterly neutered that concept was a point of integrity.

The stoner that told the EIC "duuuude let's bring back Barry" should have been reminded "duuuude, you make pictures for a living, let writers and editors think"

>>89669783
>>89669743
>>89669740

It would be awkward to see jason todd walk in that room and say hello to batman.

>>89669783

Jason was only dead because of READER MANDATE. Also Bruce told Stephanie to fuck off god knows how many times. She only stuck because of waifu fags who though some random blonde ditz deserved a place in the mythos (she didn't, and still doesn't.)

>>89669799
or letting the Outsider nick his secret murder plans during the Trinity War. OR giving already brain-damaged Guy Gardner a punch in the head hard enough to alter his personality.

>>89669710

Goddamn, has Daimen already come back?

I know comic book deaths never meant anything, but I feel they at least used to last longer.

>>89669833
It was awkward to see Jason do anything after I paid good money to watch him die.

>>89666129

Fuck you you hippie piece of shit, Ollie.

>>89669818
The Flash franchise was failing and they had to do something to boost sales.

Sad thing is Flash Rebirth had disappointing sales. Though I suppose you can blame the delays on that one, Barry's vol 3 wasn't even as popular as Bart's shitty run start.

Fast forward a few years and Barry's doing great so maybe they were right, but it sure sucks. Haven't had an honestly great Flash comic since 2005.

>>89669840
Batman basically abandoned all his friends to go to Apokolips to use some magic 4th World Horseshit coffin to bring him back to life with asshole magic.

>>89669835
>Jason was only dead because of READER MANDATE
Yeah Wally really should've taken that into account when he said what he did.

I mean your entire post is stupid but this part is especially dumb.

>>89666523
>>89666307
They could easily beat most of Gotham´s villains.

>>89669909
Everytime they interact with Gotham villains the Rogues get stomped.

I mean a year ago The Riddler singlehandedly crushed the Rogues by outsmarting them.

Batman villains will always beat Flash villains unless Johns is writing Captain Cold vs Freeze.

>>89669799

That was under Mark Waid, though, who doesn't like Batman. Tower of Babel was a shit arc and Waid basically flanderized Bruce's paranoia and basically made him a villain.

>>89669893

It's not Wally, you literal fucking retard, it's the author warping the narrative in order to shit on Batman with his husbando when it was the READERS who killed Jason. Also please explain how the rest of it is dumb. I'm guessing you won't reply.

>>89665977
Nah, they're all generally solid Supervillains.

But they're nowhere near as dangerous as the bad guys in Gotham. They don't kill unless they're fighting each other or avenging somebody's death.

Contrast to the various recreationally homicidal loons that infest Gotham.

>>89669868
>The Flash franchise was failing and they had to do something to boost sales.

Naturally, the thing to do was not to ask the writers who had built it up and instead listen to some skeevy penciler. GENIUS

>>89666307
>Invented a fucking time boomerang
How the fuck does anyone manage to beat this guy? He's pretty much a boomerang god.

>>89669799
>>89669837
>>89669878
How come none else deals with Ra only Batman? Aquaman could be a close due to the whole eco-terrorist thing. Or how come Darkseid has never noticed Ra?

>>89669957
>Waid
>Doesn't like Batman

Waid is the biggest DC fag ever, dude. He fucking loves Batman. He has a fucking encyclopedic knowledge of Batman.

You batfags are delusional. Do you think it's author self insert fiat whenever Batman talks down to anyone? Because Batman talks down to everyone all the fucking time, and almost never gets called out for it.

The rest is dumb because Bruce's negligence and shitty treatment of Steph doesn't somehow absolve him of his responsibility in the horrible shit that happened to her.

But in your mind Bruce can do no wrong, and if he does wrong, it's bullshit writing and the writer should kill themselves.

Fucking autistic shitlord.

>>89669949
Yeah to go along with the plot that dur hur Gotham is the devil or something. They could easily beat most people there but Joker would over kill Weather Wizard or even Vandal Savage just to show the Batman part of DC is cool.

>>89670020
Darkseid cares not for mortal human men. Or at least if they're not Intergang. It's because R'as is usually in hiding a lot of time, planning & plotting & if they sent Superman after him, he'd just whip some Kryptonite out of his Lazarus Pits.

>>89669957
>ower of Babel was a shit arc and Waid basically flanderized Bruce's paranoia and basically made him a villain.

And no writer since removed any of ToB from canon, with Morrison even building on it. The stupidest part of ToB was Superman rescuing the Wayne remains instead of grabbing Batman's face and saying "Good, because when Ra's puts them into Lazarus Pits you get the honor of killing them again yourself this time."

>>89668836


We're your friends... So we're here to shit on you and treat you like dirt and not give you a single ounce of credit as a parent OR a person

Some friends.

>>89670085
He is not a mortal human man. Darkseid would probably be interested in the Lazarus Pit.

>>89670027

>Waid is the biggest DC fag ever, dude. He fucking loves Batman.

Wrong. He doesn't care for the character and I'd be hard-pressed to find a time he wrote the character as anything other than a paranoid and fascistic piece of shit. Also you'll find most instances of Batman "talking down to people" are by writers like Johns and Waid who've instilled that as a part of the character through their Justice League work.

>The rest is dumb because Bruce's negligence and shitty treatment of Steph doesn't somehow absolve him of his responsibility in the horrible shit that happened to her.

He told her to fuck off all the time. She wouldn't because she wrongly through she deserved to be a crime-fighter. She followed him and Robin around and kept fucking up, putting innocent lives in danger time and time again. Then SHE steals his virtual scenario and enacts it in a cry for attention, and you're saying Bruce is at fault, even though he tried to save her? You are truly idiotic.

>>89670058
Vandal Savage is literally immortal & has a perfect healing factor. The Joker is, for reasons generally unexplained (read: plot armor) is just unkillable. I doubt Weather Wizard would get a good chance to kill a big player like either of them, considering all it would do is bring down the wrath of the ensuing power vacuum or get themselves killed in the first place. Remember, getting involved in a bunch of ambitious superhero shit & showing off to prove that you're the best is what got the original Mirror Master killed. When these guys do die, it's usually because they were tricked or fucked up in a big way. Trickster was shot to death by Deadshot. ON THE OTHER HAND, the Rogues have SOME BALLS considering one of their hit plans was to manipulate a mentally disabled man into just killing the Flash with his brutal uber-strength because they thought the Flash broke Pied Piper's brain (he just kinda had a psychotic break because he realized his dad loved him & crime didn't solve shit.)

>>89669714

Not buzzwords when it's a valid assessment of the situation.

Doesnt need to be /pol/ for someone to make a valid observation. DC genuinely wants to look enlightened and progressive. And yes, virtue signalling IS a valid term for that

>>89670124
And how many times has Darkseid come back to life without the intervention of humanity? He's a GOD. Even if he did care, he wouldn't team up with him, he'd just take it. Darkseid isn't usually very subtle with his approaches & RARELY gets as far as being able to come to Earth. And when he does, he usually doesn't take the time to pal around.

>>89670234
>when it's a valid assessment of the situation
>>89669694
>because Johns wanted to make someone like him. A Lebanese person from Michigan

Go assess yourself back on /poz/ with your frogposting faggot friends.

>>89670210
>the Rogues have SOME BALLS considering one of their hit plans was to manipulate a mentally disabled man into just killing the Flash

I thought Snart's code included no killing Flashes.

>>89670369
They literally used Big Sir to beat Barry so hard he had to get plastic surgery to fix his face. They were all for leaving him to die in a field.

(Honorable Mention to the Suicide Squad for getting Big Sir killed despite DEFINITELY not being culpable for his crimes!)

>>89670200
>Wrong. He doesn't care for the character and I'd be hard-pressed to find a time he wrote the character as anything other than a paranoid and fascistic piece of shit. Also you'll find most instances of Batman "talking down to people" are by writers like Johns and Waid who've instilled that as a part of the character through their Justice League work.

Batman has always talked down to everyone under nearly every writer. That is not a unique to Waid or Johns thing. Kelly did it. Giffen did it. McDuffie did it. Morrison did it. Everyone fucking does it. Johns and Waid, more often than others, would give him a little comeuppance every, I don't know, 5 years. Which is a fucking betrayal to you, apparently.

He fucking let her get in the batmobile, gave her his fucking bat toys, and put her in a robin outfit. You are seriously fucking delusional dude.

I can't believe someone is so blinded by their love of batcock. It's baffling how autistic you are.

>>89670465
> the Suicide Squad did something morally reprehensible!

Call the newspapers

>>89670369
The Rogues were dastardly, moustche twirling evil bastards at first. The slightly honorable stuff came later and even then was on and off until Johns came in and solidified it.

>>89670485
>Kelly did it. Giffen did it. McDuffie did it
slow down and let anon find their Wikipedia pages dude

>>89670508
It's really the Monitor's fault for selling the Rogues a suit of armor that happened to fit a giant mentally-disabled man. You'd think a man trying to save the Universe (which ended up involving Barry) wouldn't have done something reckless & disgusting like that for literally no good reason.

>>89670576
Doesn't even have an excuse. Shit's all free online to read. You'd think such a huge batfag would digest all the batmedia they could.

>>89670616
>such a huge batfag
You're using a definition that includes reading the books, not a handful of /co/ storytimes before dubbing oneself anything an expert.

We raise examples, they just raise their voices.

>>89670616
lol, whatever! You can just download and read ENTIRE RUNS of Batman online! you say it like it's SOMETHING DIFFICULT!!

>>89670734
Man you don't even need to download it. You can get like everything after 1980 on a comic viewer site. That's where half of /co/'s pictures come from nowadays.

>>89665985
>why do you have a problem with ME carrying a gun
>said to the white guy
>Humphries is pretty fucking pozzed
Gee I don't know...

>>89670776
>implying the downloading is the hard part & not reading an entire author's run on Batman.

>>89664231
Is he implying that Bruce is racist?

>>89670485

>Kelly did it
No he didn't.

>Giffen did it
Only when dealing with characters like Fire or Gardner or Booster Gold who he wrote to act like literal children

>McDuffie did it
No he didn't. Not that his JLA run was any good, but I don't recall anything like that.

>Morrison did it
Definitely not. During his JLA he wrote Batman with a very direct, gravely serious, and almost robotic manner of speaking, why do you feel the need to lie?

>He fucking let her get in the batmobile, gave her his fucking bat toys, and put her in a robin outfit. You are seriously fucking delusional dude.
Are you seriously referring to when she was Robin for a week? That not only was incredibly OoC (I'd love to see you argue against that) but it was just a "last hoorah" for the character since DC was planning to kill her off. For YEARS before that he did nothing to try and persuade her to live a normal life and stop jumping off of rooftops. I mean really, do you even read comics?

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>>89670836
Man I'm just talking JL at this point, the books where Batman interacts with people who aren't his wards. You can read through the entirety of post crisis JL shit in a few hours if you were in a hurry.

>>89670863
So he was trying to give her a Spoiler Alert?

>>89670863
It's amazing how you just sit there and lie about shit.

"It doesn't count because I say it doesn't count!"

Motherfucker who cares. Why should fucking Wally West, a fictional character in the universe, have 4th wall breaking character opinions and knowledge. Listen to yourself. You literally think a scene is stupid because Wally West didn't act like you would've.

>>89669761
Wally is secretly gay for Batsy.

>>89670863
>Are you seriously referring to when she was Robin for a week? That not only was incredibly OoC (I'd love to see you argue against that) but it was just a "last hoorah" for the character since DC was planning to kill her off. For YEARS before that he did nothing to try and persuade her to live a normal life and stop jumping off of rooftops. I mean really, do you even read comics?

Who did you think the fourth Robin he was referring to was?

>>89670924
carlos

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>>89669861
Let's go demand our money back for those collect calls, anon.

>>89671131
Look man it was the only 900 call I could get away with making in my mom's house, it should mean something

>>89664231
isnt the problem literally a page before that the gun is unregistered?
i mean, literally the entire justice league knows who simon is, and theoretically they ALL have some sort weapon to their name that could do far worse than a gun, yet they own it

cant he just give up his shit gun, and have cyborg make him a real one? i find it hard to believe some factory can make a gun more reliable than a living machine, even if simon demands its a "mundane" gun that fires bullets

>>89671015

>It's amazing how you just sit there and lie about shit.

I mean you could post pages, but you won't. That would require actually having to prove your points, wouldn't it? You know you're wrong. Might as well just accept Waid's and Johns' interpretations of Batman as a literal supervillain are correct and perfectly inline with the character.

>"It doesn't count because I say it doesn't count!"

False quotes are surely a great means of argument and will convince many.

>Motherfucker who cares. Why should fucking Wally West, a fictional character in the universe, have 4th wall breaking character opinions and knowledge. Listen to yourself. You literally think a scene is stupid because Wally West didn't act like you would've.

It's about the context around which the situation is posted and received. It makes the author (and people like you who think the pages is worth merit) look childish and petty because instead of actually levying a discussion he just uses the situation to knock Batman down a peg for something that was reader-mandated. And EVEN THEN, Jason's death only serves to further Batman's point in the discussion that children have no place in vigilante justice.

>>89671046

What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>89671261
I should read more of these but didn't any of the JL say to him "Your outfit is a brown guy in a ski mask and a handgun, do we have to spell this out to you"

>>89671373
>What the fuck are you even talking about?
You're acting like Stephanie Brown just doesn't exist when she does. It's fine that you don't like her but just putting your fingers in your ears and going "LALALA NOT IN CHARACTER LALALA" is pretty sad.

>>89671376
they did, and he has no problem with the ring failing and his identity getting out apparently

unless he has a second mask hidden under his skintight mask

>>89670863
>Definitely not. During his JLA he wrote Batman with a very direct, gravely serious, and almost robotic manner of speaking, why do you feel the need to lie?

Yes, JLA is definitely the only time Morrison wrote Batman.

>>89671430

I'll ask again, what the fuck are you talking about? Bruce making Stephanie, a normal teenage girl with not incredible qualities or anything especially relatable to him, Robin was an OoC moment and can be chocked up to nothing but PiS. Also Stephanie stealing and enacting the scenario and getting hundreds of innocents, Orpheus, and herself killed was all somehow Bruce's fault as well.

>>>89671518

Then please, what work, specifically are you talking about? Not just a panel, tell me which of Morrison's runs has him writing Batman constantly talking down to people.

>>89671440
>and his identity getting out apparently

John and Guy should have worn masks and carried street weapons, clearly

Masks are for people who make giant boxing glove constructs

>gunnut writer has to self-insert his penis envy into a superhero

why is this allowed?

>>89671591
Here's an honest question.

Do you think there's ever been a time where a character burned, or talked down to, or got the better of Batman in a conversation that wasn't "shitty" or "biased writing" or some other excuse?

Your problem seems to be entirely how you think Batman's the best and anything that conflicts with your perfect view of him is wrong and bad.

>>89671655

I'm specifically talking about Waid's and Johns' interpretations of the character, and the skeeviness of the Wally "dead Robins" panel. Don't make this about something else. I'm not going to go through and list the times it was acceptable for Batman to be shit on by another character, that would be ridiculous.

>>89671721
Why isn't it okay to shit on Batman for having a bunch of unpowered kids risking their lives in his crusade, though?

>>89672041

Because the Robins only exist because we, the readers, demand them to. Trying to attack the character with any modicum of seriousness in that manner is ridiculously petty and speaks to a spite of the narrative and superhero comics in general.

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>>89664231

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Batman doesn't have a "NO GUNS" rule. He has a no killing rule. Writers need to stop trying to make this stupid shit a thing.

>>89672468
>POTUS of Earth-1

Nice.

>>89673248
Seconded, no one should be anti guns, because guns are awesome.

>>89668090
Johns is a huge fan of Hal, right? So why was Hal's entire purpose in New52 JL to get shit on?

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>>89666665
I got you brah

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>>89666799
The line was different, but the intent was more or less the same

>>89665334
yeah, I don't think pro gun nutjobs actually want muslims to be allowed to carry guns

>>89674899
Because of that fucking film, of course. They made GL into a joke, so comic editers wants to make him like the movie at first. And as you know, that was pointless shit.

>>89667711
For some reason i only just realized how much sense it does not make to have six lanterns for one planet from the same country. Seven counting alan scott. Why

>>89664231
>A lantern ring can fail
>so shoot some unarmed con in the back instead.
I'm calling bullshit here

>>89664231
Batman doesn't have a problem with heroes or cops using guns
he has a problem with himself ever using a gun.

Only a truly ignorant writer would use that to create a conflict as pro or anti

I mean red hood uses guns and bats has no issue with him

>>89666665
>666665
So close!

>>89667833
>Tim is black now or dead or some shit

tim is dead and he was and never has been black stop reading single pages and making fan fic on it

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