scans_daily: an oldfag thread

I myself remember scans_daily back in the good old days and it was going to that community that got me interested in comics in the first place.

Even though it was a "slash"(homoerotic) community it actually had a pretty diverse set of commentators and the like. It wasn't just yaoi.

>>89622754
Oh yes, the time that they ran off Gail Simone. And then how fucking long it took for neo_prodigy to get run off as a moderator, because of how he used his status as a black gay man to be abusive as fuck to the largely female regulars.

Oh yeah. My posts on there are one of the first hits if you want to look up on obscure Sandman miniseries the "the girl who would be death" seriously.

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>>89622935
Yeah, that was the crazy crisis of 2011

I did an entire retrospective of Devilman at one point. Good times.

scans_daily helped me get into comics. The old scans_daily, the one bluefall and foxhack use to post on with all the innuendo and porn weeks back in 2007-2009 was great.

Then Peter David had to destroy it, which is why I'll hate him forever.

>>89623010
PAD denied it.
http://www.peterdavid.net/2009/02/28/scans-daily/

>But somewhere along the way, it morphed into posters giving page by page summaries of new comics, complete with the entire pages. Writing a critical review and posting up a panel or a page to illustrate a point falls under fair use. Posting over half the book while saying, “This happened, then this happened, then this happened,” is not remotely fair use and a blatant copyright violation.

>Well…no. Again: My intervention wound up having no impact. And besides, if anyone got Scans Daily shut down, it was the fans themselves. Some will own up to that reality. Many, I suspect, won’t.

I lurked in the original before I discovered /co/. Heck I'm probably here because it was deleted.

They got mad at some Peter David story, and when the man himself dropped by, someone told him to die in a fire.

Turns out he had a friend who recently did die in a fire so he didn't take it well.

So it's suspected that he was probably the one to file a copyright complaint and got the page delete

>>89623077
I don't believe him at all. It was him throwing a fit over that story with Jamie Madrox getting posted.

>>89623077
The sad part was that he was very much loved by scans daily his shit would get posted to all the time. Hell the post on scans daily made me like young justice and made me hate at the time current teen titans.

>>89623077
He's just doubling down.
>It wasn't me, but the fans who provoked me.

There was a lot of interesting and obscure comics posted on the old livejournal version.

All lost now.

The insanejournal version kept the flame burning until it came to Dreamwidth. And things where good for a time, until the mods went to far with trying to police the language and ideas.

If I remember correctly they banned someone for using the word "lame" to describe something or someone. Which I guess was bad because its ablist.

>>89622999
CHRIST, I still can't believe these """mods""" were for real. And people say 4chan mods are bad.

>>89623184
There was another one where I kid you not remember Carlie Cooper? Well she was not well liked and people made a Poochie joke about her and the mod said they were wishing females character death was a no no.

>>89623184
The "lame" debacl was the beginning of the end for me, followed by the lack of porn, and finally when they posted this long winded self congratulation about nothing politically incorrect would ever happen, like everyone in the community wasn't already as polite and friendly as possible.

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>>89623184
>If I remember correctly they banned someone for using the word "lame" to describe something or someone.

Your joking...right?

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>>89623257
Yep. I remember that.

>>89623359
I remember running into an ex-mod somewhere else much later, and they were really apologetic about how bad it had gotten and their own excesses.

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>>89623359
Nope.

>>89623418
Man, not even tumblr is this oversensitive.

I miss old S_D. They got me into a few comics, but John Ostrander's Suicide Squad is my favorite that they introduced to me.

I miss old /co/ where we used to joke that /co/ was entirely women (because who else would be interested in sweaty muscular men wrestling each other in cheap spandex?) and I could mention S_D freely in casual conversation without anyone getting upset by S_D's politics.

And as long as we're on the topic of the initials S and D, never forget that S/D is still trash.

>>89623418
That's lame

>>89623494
/co/ is made up of old scans_daily refugees.

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I remember when Rob Liefeld mentioned them on Facebook once.

>>89623134
And throwing a fit over someone saying DIAF to him, and he took it as a threat. I wish someone would post THAT shitstorm.

>>89623023
Yea the fact that they ran off frikking Simone should tell you enough about that site. Say what you will about her work but Gail Simone is genuinely a nice person. Its literally an echo chamber. Also there PAD ban is fucking retarded.

So many people were banned for posting PAD's work despite them having proof that PAD was okay with posting it. Like fucking hell.

>>89623077
>>89623093
>>89623179
Erik Larsen tried to warn y'all about him years ago.
Granted, Erik is a bit of a nutter too, but still...

>>89622999
This and the mods warning a black guy for being racist against black people is what made me quit.

Early s_d was good though, a lot of good times but once the original mod left and the crazy girl-wonder proto-SJW took over it just went to the toilet, you couldn't have a discussion because the moment someone was offended you got a warning and with three warnings it was an auto ban no matter what.

>>89623307
The community was started by early 00's and 90's fangirls IIRC and in thise times fangirls were always about the gay, the porn, and the feels but without all the SJW stuff.

I recall people making some inapproproate jokes in early s_d and people posting offensive comics and just making fun of them both things will eatn you a ban in the Dreamwidth s_d.

>>89623494
Old /co/ had its problems and it was sloe as fuck but because superheroes weren't that popular and the MCU hadn't kicked off the other boards left us mostly alone.

Old /co/ also wasn't as easy to bait or hell maybe because it was a slow moving board it wasn't worth it.

MCU, DCEU and Marvel going full SJW brought a lot of cancer

>>89625310
I vaguely remember that exchange, the user who told him that was batshit crazy

>>89623010
>Then Peter David had to destroy it, which is why I'll hate him forever.

I can't completely because s_d was already going down the toilet by somewhere around 2007 and 2008. If the incident hadn't happened it would've still downward spiraled to the point where you have mods freaking out over people using the word "lame."

That said it is a shame the entire thing was lost since it would've been great to look back and see all the comics being brought up. Also to see where things actually went wrong first.

>>89623407
I wonder what it's like now. I assume the restrictions to create a new account + overbearing moderation + gradual exodus of most members probably turned it into a barely functional community like the John Byrne Forum.

>>89622998
The fact that Scans Daily people have come to this board, the JSA story time crowd for example, is where I see the SJW creep.

>>89622999
The best part is, these people are pirates. They are literally posting images they do not own! If this was just them posting on a chat board there would be five readers. All this talk of 'ethos and principle'.

>>89623010
Bluefall still did on the new one. And she was a fucking SJW bitch.

And good on PAD for destroying that faggotty repressive hellhole.

>>89626425
It's extremely quiet, a few people still post regularly on their pet topics

>>89626506
LOL

>>89623023
And this is why I hold hope for america. Inevitably all the little snow flakes, faggots and tranny and race baiters, will push too hard. When you start attacking Simone, who is literally your ho...

>>89626506
>the JSA story time crowd for example
Oh boy it's this fucker again

>>89626585
>And good on PAD for destroying that faggotty repressive hellhole.
But PAD destroyed the good s_d, not the bad s_d.

You've had ten fucking years to learn the difference.

>>89625983
Yeah the fangirls changed a lot in recent years. The fandoms became very politicized and it's really fucking weird to see them writing entire essays about how [insert ship] is problematic.

In ye olde times people would just start ship wars because "your ship is shit and mine is better". Now they get into shipping wars because whatever pairing is "problematic" and "i'm literally shaking because your ship is triggering". It's so weird.

>>89623166
They loved him because he had gay and trans shit everywhere. His run on supergirl basically had her harassed by a lesbian who could turn into a man.

David was always a blunt hammer and that bluntness cuts both ways. He doesn't code speak well enough for modern liberals, see his gypsy comments.

>>89626664
What's really funny is that the original use of SJW was by people in fandom who just wanted to do their shit ("your kink is not my kink and that's okay") to describe people who used the language of feminism/anti-racism/social justice/whatever to justify their attacks on things that they didn't like. Then language drift rendered that useless.

>>89626506
>>89623746
People from Scans Daily posted here even as far back as 2007. K-Box was one, Cyberghostface I think was another. I know King Prawn from Portal of Evil/POE News/Bo News was on Scans Daily under a different name and wouldn't be surprised if he posted here, too.

>>89623223
Some of them have snuck in, but fortunately the rules are so lax its hard to be a feminazi bitch mod here.

>>89626706
What if Spider-Man's penis was really small ha ha just as a joke ha ha wouldn't that be funny ha?

>>89626506
>When you start storytimes nightly then you can talk.

>>89623375
>jokes about violence to women not permitted

So no physical comedy.

>Jokes about fridging

Okay, you know what, fuck Simone for that made up shiterm. The fridging incident, a one time event in the 90s, was written by Ron Marz. An arch SJW that has advocated boycotting Orson Card's works because he opposed gay marriage, comic cons that don't have visual harassment rules, and attacked gamers gate for some reason?

>>89626734
The worst thing about that is that I wouldn't have had a problem with him trying to push his fetish if he hadn't been such an asshole to other people like around 2007 or 2008 or something, around the time of OMD/BND. Cause that was when I was noticing he seemed like he was complaining for the sake of complaining and trying to justify it for flimsy reasons.

>>89623891
Liefeld mentioning how clueless SD was/is just makes me love him more as the horrible troll he is.

>>89626810
He finally got banned from s_d because he wouldn't stop being creepy to specific people after repeated warnings.

>>89625983
>>89626664
You were ALWAYS political. Everyone just understood that you were the minority and stepping out of line would mean a good bitch slapping. Elitist institutions shifting left have emboldened the worst of you.

>>89623454
Shit you not, I once saw a Tumblr post that said people should call other "Ass-holes", why? Because, it's "Body Shaming".

>>89626657
Difference, same fucking people. Posting mostly the same shit, just not whole issues. S/d was shit, it was bad shit. Babies first image board not withstanding.

>>89626642
forgive my mistake then. You talk like the posts I read on S/D. You like the same things. You don't like the impression, don't fucking act like them.

>>89626908
*Shouldn't

>>89626933
I can confirm that the storyteller is part of the lj community.

>>89623891
Man, people love shitting on Rob Liefeld but I'd like to be his friend. He seems like a chill guy.

>>89626857
Did he? I thought he got banned on regular s_d over some political flame war and got banned on noscans because of the things he was saying during his rant about Scott Pilgrim. Then again I ended up missing both since I rarely read the sites by then.

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>>89626971
Only to people who buy his work. He was an asshole to Scott Snyder a few years ago for no reason.

>>89622754
>>Anybody here remember scans_daily?
I don't

what's this about?
is this another sinfest thing where any thread gets deleted automatically?

>>89626734
Oh God, he was obsessed.

>>89626970
Exactly. And you know what, theres a reason S/D is the shit hole it is. Because people had these ridiculous views of human sexuality and gender. Look, if you take fucking so seriously, you aren't doing it right.

I think a lot of the oldfags on /co/ probably come from there.

>>89627148
I would rather get actual constructive discussion and posting of comics than [out of context panel] and [I want to fuck this cartoon girl] threads though.

I wonder how long you've been on 4chan.

>>89623077

He's lying of course. I remember the day that the shit all went down. PAD said he go apeshit if someone spoiled the X-Factor twist. Then someone posted said twist on Scans Daily. Then another linked said thread to CBR. CBR being CBR probably had someone snitch to PAD who then went to Marvel legal.

PAD had to be involved given I got a legal notice from Marvel legal via e-mail notice. And guess which one out of all my posts at Scans Daily they wanted of all the stuff wanted down the most? Amazing Spider-Man #289 written by.... PAD.

It's almost poetic in a way that he'd kill the site that was build up on scans from Young Justice.

>>89626506
People from s_d have been coming to /co/ since it started and comic readers tend to be liberalfags.

What do you mean by SJW though? Because /co/ usually doesn't tolerate extreme SJW shit but in /pol/'s vision we are indistinguishable from them.

I've been coming to this board since early 2008 and as far as I remember anons here were more PC than other boards to a certain degree and I can say this board got even less PC as time went on and it's because /co/ was a slow moving and unpopular board and most of what we had was pure comics and cartoons threads, the ocassional move thread, and a bunch of fetish threads.

I also remember how back then if an anon would call a character or another anon a nigger they would get ignored, told to go back to /b/ or they would get made fun of, although it wasn't really because of the racism but because other anons would perceive said anon as trying to be edgy.

Right now /co/ doesn't give a shit unless you go full /pol/ /r9k/ or full SJW tumblr about shit. As a matter in fact I think this board is kind of tired of politics and fags who have black and white views and get triggered about everything not fitting their agendas.

>>89626706

> implying people from Scans Daily back then aren't still posting here now.

I know of two maybe four people from SD that probably still post here to this day even if we are all anonymous.

>>89627357
Honestly the SJW narrative is more recent than most of the 4chan boards it is thrown around on. It's a joke that we all saw /new/ and pretend like the demographic shift isn't in/on /pol/ and is instead of boards that have existed long before it.

RIP moot.

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>>89626881
You need some of this

>>89626933
>same fucking people

Not really, when girl-wonder started coming to S_D and one of them got mod status it's when they brought up a lot of their SJW shit.

>>89622754
>Exactly. And you know what, theres a reason 4chan is the shit hole it is. Because people had these ridiculous views of human sexuality and gender. Look, if you take fucking so seriously, you aren't doing it right.

>>89627525

Yeah but basically when the full move happened is when the SJW shit began rearing it's head to the fullest degree.

That's when the Scans Daily I enjoyed truly died and I came to /co/ more and more. I still pop in now and again to Scans Daily. Just to see if it isn't shit. The Kang Dynasty threads there make me wonder at times if the anon who did the storytime for it here is the same one who did it there.

>>89627525
Girl-wonder.org were the proto SJWs they used to shit on scans_daily for not being to their standard and since there was no popular or significant social media platforms they only had their website to vent.

I could even say they were more dangerous than SJW geeks because they did go and harass a few DC people at cons for awhile.

>>89622935
That's exactly how Riley and RequiresHate got away with what they did for so long.

>and, in some circles, still are...

>>89626697
I think the term still means that, it's just that such tactics are socially acceptable (depending on who's doing them) enough that the term gets dismissed out of hand

>>89627708
I agree although what I'm saying is that s_d wasn't always like that and some users even tried to go along with it but a lot of them either quit or got banned.

Like I said I also remember a guy getting fed up for being accused of racism against black people when he himself was black, and according to nu s_d they don't allow policing people on their own race and gender but it's what they started doing to that one guy.

I haven't gone there in a long ass time myself, I thought it must have been dead by now.

And yeah I wouldn't be surprised if people who go there come here although I really don't see the problem unless they want /co/ to behave like current s_d, they know this is 4chan and they should know /co/ wouldn't tolerate any of s_d's rules although I'm pretty sure they're aware of thay.

>>89626972
He got banned from scans_daily because he made some complaint about Asian stereotypes in Scott Pilgrim when the author himself is Asian. It was kind of a bullshit reason, but I think the mods were just looking for an excuse to finally get rid of him. And thank God they did, it was the only smart thing they did.

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>>89622999
/co/ troll successfully having a SJW mod side with him
I guess that was an easy target, but still... well done, sir, well done

>>89627927
Hasn't RequiresHate actually killed someone IRL?

I wonder how bluefall is doing. She was fun, she liked pictures of sexy girls kissing sexy girls as much as any dude.

>>89627927
What's the story about them?

>>89628530
As far as I'm aware, no. However, there was the strong rumours of allegedly her hotel billionaire family covering up poisonings at their hotel, and the police turning a blind eye. Ahem.

>>89628538
There's definitely a lot more of a party line in how you enjoy your comics these days on every side. I know dykes who e.g. hate the Kate/Maggie marriage wrap-up (or hate that Maggie is even in Gotham), or who don't care about TKJ at all but give a shit about Barbara being Oracle. Nowadays that stuff is usually off-message if you're talking about comics on social media.

The "Captain America is a Nazi" is another good example, one that I'm surprised the extent of which it's gotten people agitated. Of course, Spencer doesn't do himself any favors ON social media.

>>89628961
It's weird af to see people who are usually all "comics should be about real important issues and not just escapism" saying things like "I want a Captain America comic that's escapist and fun instead of being about fascism."

>>89629155
Especially because there's a bunch of Nazi coding intentionally dialed into Steve by default, you know? Whether you think it's in poor taste or not it's got grounding in the character, it's explained as well as most things in comics ever are, it's obviously not permanent and it's not played completely straight in his Nazism either.

>>89629268
I've read people engaging with the content of the Sam book and not being happy with it but they were at least being specific. Things like the A. V. Club short takes on the Steve book were just "this is hurtful and thus bad" without any close reading.

>>89628596
>>89628596
Too long, to mention. Wish I could give you the FailFandom-Anon wiki links, but it's been locked. Cliff notes:
Riley-OG SJW
Used to run the blog "Dumb things crackers say", and various others. Frequently, harassed people that disagreed with them, always changed her race, just so they could always win an argument. I remember her telling a Native person, who criticise them to "suck the white cock". One of the most visicious things that they did as Doxx a 17 year old black, queer kid that called them out. Basically, head of their own cult. Noticably started and didnt finish the "Ark project". Speaking of people with cult of personality.

RequiresHate: likes to tell people they should "get raped by dogs", and that they should have "acid threw in their face", because they don't like their taste in books. Known to continuly harass people. Goes after SF writers, especially. One writer tried to commit suicide.

Decided to become a SF writer herself. Eating where she's shitting. Victims of her found each other and refuge in FF_A. Other victims are brave enough to write blogs about experience.

Lauren Mixon did a huge report on their behaviour.

http://laurajmixon.com/2014/11/a-report-on-damage-done-by-one-individual-under-several-names/

You'll notice the people she mostly went after were female minorities. (Not gonna call her a WoC.)
Got uncovered around the same time as GG. Tried to paint FFA as a "fandom 4chan", got buddy with Quinn and gained an ally in Chu. Played everyone for a fiddle.

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>>89623494
Scans Daily is what got me to be a fan of Cass and Steph.

>>89629310
The Sam book keeps making me ask "Where's Eli and the Bradleys?" but I think a Marvel dispute with the creator has them off-limits.

>>89629511
Gillen said something about Eli being reserved and then literally fucking nothing. Seems a waste.

One of these days I'm going to hunt down all those old Cass comics and storytime them on /co/.

>>89629658
I fucking loved those comics, I remember reading through the archive for hours when I was in my early teens.
Loved when she met her Marvelself AKA- X-23.

I'm nostalgic, now.

>>89622983
>>89622935
I hadn't realized how long it's been...

s_d got me to read Justice League International and reboot Legion of Superheroes. A nice place to be a degenerate slash fan. Rest in peace.

>>89629658

Old Cass comics? You mean Cass Toons?

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>>89626881

>>89627377
Yo.

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>>89630024
Yeah. Looks like they haven't updated in years.

>>89622754
I rarely spent any time on it, but I did occasionally run across it when I was looking for it.

I think whatever shitstorm involving it and 4chan(if there was one) escaped me, but I do remember once being banned for trying to link to it.

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>>89623407
They pretty much published a manifesto on the subject.

>>89622983
>>89622999
>>89623023
A classic.

When a writer tells you to wait and see that usually means what you think is bad and is gonna happen, probably isn't gonna actually happen and it's a fake out

>>89629363
>Riley-OG SJW
>Used to run the blog "Dumb things crackers say", and various others
now I remember their "lay off the bleach" tumblr where they'd reblog Korra fanart and if her skin color wasn't dark enough (lighting be damned) they'd leave really nasty comments

I completely forgot the Ark Project was a thing

I really wish I could have been a part of that community back then. There's nothing like it today.

~2009 /co/ was the closest I've ever been a part of, but that's long gone now.

>>89622754
I remember there was one fury queer that would get triggered by Liefeld and yell out his name

S_D nowadays is basically the same 10 people screaming into a void

>>89623077
>is not remotely fair use and a blatant copyright violation
God that is so retarded. Reading a summary is not even close to the same thing as reading the actual book. The only thing reading a summary could do is make you NOT want to buy something by revealing how fucking bad it actually is.

If I go and tell my friend all about a movie I just saw, should the movie producers come break my thumbs for infringing on their copyright?

It seems the rise and fall of these online communities have one thing in common:

All it takes is ONE influential asshole to ruin everything, and that asshole hires more of its peers to enforce said asshole's bullshit with an iron fist.

You could use said shenanigans as the basis of any story really. You could make a story about how a Justice League styled organisation crumbled because some asshole made it their personal playground, and it either becomes a laughing stock or just another Legion of Doom for example.

>>89633065
I mean that's how the entire world works, really.

Basically the only reason 4chan has continued while every other forum dies is that the anonymity and lack of mod personalities make drama like that impossible. Sure, the shitposting and noise is out of control, but at least you don't get some asshat dramaqueens making everything into their personal kingdom.

>>89630522
>but I can safely say (as a psych major) that this is not true
Fucking lol

>>89630481
>but I do remember once being banned for trying to link to it.

It wasn't because of Scans Daily itself. It's because they used Dreamwidth. And I think on /b/ people were using Dreamwidth urls for referrals to make money. I think that was when they decided to autoban anything with a Dreamwidth url.

>>89622983
I remember seeing threads about this years ago. This was my first experience with SJWs.

I wonder what it's like nowadays. Sometimes I miss the old days.

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>>89632806

>~2009 /co/ was the closest I've ever been a part of, but that's long gone now.

>>89632687
1/2

Oh, man. I remember that clusterfuck. That was when I gave up on the new s_d. I mean, the old S_d had actually influenced Simone's writing! I think it was bluefall who did a multi-week retrospective on Cheetah, and the different ways she'd been written, the character's histories and motivations, etc., and that bluefall liked it most when Cheetah was a peer opponent to Wonder Woman, with a certain personality. Simone LOVED that series of posts. It gave her insight into, and a love for, Cheetah, so much that she decided to write Cheetah into one of her Secret Six books as the way bluefall liked and talked about: a terrifying, coldly calculating character, who could switch to blood-mad psychopathy in battle. So Simone was an occasionally-active member of the community, who appreciated the work the fans put into everything and even that they showed her things about characters she didn't even know.

Then new s_d came and the harridans took over the moderator positions...

So, for those who don't know, there were two characters in Birds of Prey: Savant, who was an amoral genius, but got confused about time (he couldn't always remember whether he was DOING something or remembering something he'd already done) and Creed, the standard Tough Guy sidekick. Creed was gay and in love with Savant, who had no clue about Creed’s crush. But the fandom loved the "representation" (by which they got to squee over the idea of 'teh hawt butsecks') and Savant and Creed became a fan favorite for old and new s_d.

Flash forward a ways, and in one arc of BoP, there's a cliffhanger where (gasp) Savant and Creed appear to have been killed! Oh noes! No character has every appeared to be dead at the end of an issue! Not ever, ever ever!

Anyways.

New s_d lost their fucking minds.

>>89630522

No self awareness. They think they're soooo infallible with their reasoning. Now look at them.

>>89632687
2/2

They started shrieking about how this was a "betrayal", that Simone was "fridging" these characters, that this was just like the comics industry to kill off gay/minority/women/attack helicopter characters for cheap shock value, etc etc.

Finally, Simone herself arrived. She explained that she'd always been committed to diversity in comics and wouldn’t kill off any character, let alone a gay/minority/woman/attack helicopter just for shock value. However, since this issue had just dropped, she couldn’t say what the resolution was (Savant and Creed were NOT dead, they just faked it to escape Oracle’s control) and said that fans should wait until the next issue before making up their minds about what had happened.

You’d think that would be reasonable. If the creator themselves says ‘just wait and see. I can’t say any more, but I don’t think it’s as bad as you’re making it out to be’ then maybe you should… wait and see.

Ha! Nope.

New s_d turned on Simone like hungry dogs on a porkchop. They accused of betraying their trust, lectured her on how hard gay/minority/women characters had it comics, that what she was doing was wrong and on and on – you can see some of those reactions for yourself up above. Thanks to new s_d’s hideous “callout” policy (also in the scans above, but not the extent of it – you literally could not defend yourself if someone decided to call you out, just let them use you as a rage pinata), when Simone finally got fed up and started defending herself, she was given an OFFICIAL MODERATOR WARNING.

At that point, she realized that s_d was no longer the place for her, and she left.

Then she was banned for good measure.

So in finality, old s_d had such a good relationship with a comics creator that they inspired her in her work and shaped the way she wrote. New s_d drove her off by demanding that she allow herself to be abused and insulted by the people she ‘betrayed’. By writing a cliffhanger.

>>89622999
>>89623375
>>89623418
I wonder what it's like to live day by day being concerned about sexism, racism, specific PC terms, and policing everything. What a sad existence.

Does anyone still have that post from S_D from the black guy who was pissed at the mods for telling him he couldn't say a certain word or something

>>89635445
Sounds like /pol/.

>>89635572
No, was it freezer? He was only black guy from that community I remember and then only because he was in a few other forums I was in. He was a holly sort. Man loved his porn, too. If he wasn't posting porn, he was talking about porn and how awesome tits were. He didn't last long in the new s_d.

I do remember when salinea (fuck, she was one of the worst tone, word and work policers out there - I have no idea why they made her a mod) told another user that - and I swear I stared at my monitor for like a good thirty seconds - he was not allowed to insult female comic book characters. Scans_daily was a safe place.

For fictional people, apparently.

>>89635656

Yeah, without the fun bits of /pol/.

>>89635724
*holly = jolly

>>89629363
Laura Mixon won a goddamn Hugo Award for that.

>>89629363
>likes to tell people they should "get raped by dogs", and that they should have "acid threw in their face", because they don't like their taste in books

That's just book communities in general just not that vicious. Sci-fi communities are horrible in general.

you know what I miss about s_d? the old stuff, I LOVED the EC comics storytimes, the crypt/vaultkeeper, the witch. Hell that what where I first read the Blackstronaut story and it blew my young mind.

>>89628398
I think I found something related to it.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100816033604/http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1255828.html

>>89635733
It's fun when that shit stays in /pol/ but pretty annoying when they get out of their containment board.

>>89628538
http://bluefall-returns.tumblr.com/

>>89623010
lmao mte.
I don't care I'll always be salty about PAD because S_D was the only way I could read comics back when I was younger.

>>89637813
She seems to be doing alright.

>>89636851
>Hell that what where I first read the Blackstronaut story and it blew my young mind.

Same here, it was good while it lasted.

>>89636885
>fandom_wank
The stuff they put there made me stay away from participating in fandoms and what pushed me to the anon thing in 4chan.

>>89630278
espanolbot changed styles and really didn't catch on after that. Still enjoyed the chapters I wrote for it. And Linkara did too. Yes, that Linkara.

>>89622935
>SJW man turns out to be an abusive prick
Every single time, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

>>89638935
IIRC Linkara was part of Scans Daily for a while, wasn't he?

>>89623023
>>89622999
>>89622983
This is proof that it never pays to cuck to SJWs. Never apologize. Never grovel. They will attack you like a shark in a feeding frenzy.

>>89622935
>And then how fucking long it took for neo_prodigy to get run off as a moderator

When and what happened there?

>>89638956

Not really. He was there a few times, but his real home was Superdickery. I remember when that site died too sadly. We lost all those wonderous Superman being a dick thread, awesome fights, awesome moments, and the Cass thread. I just remember that someone either hacked into the admin and nuked every single post.

>>89626090
The funny thing about the DIAF comment is that it had been posted way earlier and was in response to the comic itself. PAD came on the scene later and got super pissy because he knew someone who had actually died in a fire.

>>89639326
Peter David is very good at going nuts over relatively innocuous shit. Dude needs to relax.

>>89639775
No wonder he had a stroke.

>>89623746
Yup. I'm an old scans_daily refugee here. I actually was pretty much expecting SJW culture because of my experience there, and in 2012, when people were still like, "Liberals will be polite in debate," I was already shaking my head and saying, "nope, you're going to get hit with "no tone argument," bro."

In a weird way, I appreciate scans_daily and Gail Simone for warning me of the current cultural apocalypse 7 years ahead of schedule.

>>89625318
Simone is a nice person, but if you really piss her off, she will crush you and think she's doing the right thing. One of the SJW tumblrs I sometimes poke gingerly because we both fondly remember early 2000s comics is scared of her because of that.

SJWs really do eat themselves.

>>89634137
I see, thanks for the explanation

>>89638032
She's pretty much the same proto-SJW, reasonably chill, real nerd. Still love her take on Wondy, but can't really follow her closely since I'm a hard righty and don't like the spittle.

>>89629268
Are you saying Steve is iconographically a Nazi because he's tall, blonde, blue eyed, strong, straight?

That seems a bit reaching to me.

>>89629435
I dunno if that's what caused my love of Steph, but it definitely fed that love.

>>89640395

Dude it's like a thing. He's the Nazi ideal and he totally rejects their bullshit.

>>89630024
The creator, espanolbot, got himself a tumblr, like nevermore999, bluefall, and some of the other main s_d regulars.

>>89640429
Doesn't "totally rejects" kind of negate the iconography thing, then? I mean, unless you strip all the words out of the comics. And the punching Nazis thing.

>>89640611

No. it's all the irony of the Nazi ideal kicking their ass. the imagery of the aryan god punching the nazi leader in the face.

>>89622754
I loved that comm back in the days before it became a SJW shitfest. It's what got me into DC in general and the Flash in particular, and 12 years later I still run a couple of Flash-related blogs and contribute to another.

But the place descended into shit really fast. It was good during its heyday though. I was there out of morbid curiosity a few months ago and it seems mostly fine now, just a lot quieter.

>>89640696
Hmm. I guess I see. So are you saying HydraCap is a good subversion of the original subversion, or a tonedeaf subversion of something that didn't need subverting?

>>89640817

I think it depends on how it ends. but so far is good imo

>>89639775
It's the gypsy curse.

>>89640881
Hmmm. You think Secret Empire is going to be the end?

>>89633396
>but at least you don't get some asshat dramaqueens making everything into their personal kingdom.
You still get that sometimes. For instance when /aco/ was formed, some mod on /d/ decided to throw an autistic fit and push absolutely everything that wasn't japanese dickgirls off /d/ and onto /aco/, so that he could have his entire board 100% anime girl penises all the time. Neither /aco/ nor /d/ were happy with this- /aco/ wanted to use /aco/ as it was actually meant to be used; as a place to post western porn, not fat shitting slob guro dicknipples. And /d/ wanted to remain in their old community instead of being divided between two boards, one of which was violently opposed to them, over a completely arbitrary split that never existed until some mod decided to make his personal kingdom out of japanese girl dicks.

There was also the mod on /tg/ that apparently screwed everything, but I don't use /tg/ so I don't know the details about that.

>>89629435
If I recall, S_D was really rooted for Steph through the "dark years" and was a pretty dedicated fan community for all three of the Batgirls.

'member Boom De Yada?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmiJmeu_q8Y

>>89641792
I don't really remember a strong Babsgirl contingent. I thought they mostly liked Oracle, while Simone was still in their good books.

>>89640084
I like Simone sometimes and at other times I just find her to be eye rolling.

Like how she was tweeting about wanting to do a Ghostbusters comic with a female cast and was asking around if IDW had a comic with a female Ghostbuster because she was interested in doing a comic for them or something.

Then someone pointed out the New Ghostbuster comic to her (which had Kylie, Janine, Melanie, and Roger basically an almost all female group with one guy) to which she answered with "That's not the female Ghostbusters from the movie" ughhhh

It felt like how SJW give praise to certain female figures or characters and they ignore the rest because they're not popular or they don't adhere to what they want, or maybe Simone should have specified she wanted shitty female movie Ghostbusters.

>>89642346
She's a person. Generally a decent one, but all people make mistakes and are crummy sometimes. I generally appreciate that she hasn't cut ties with Dixon.

>>89642374
>Gays will ruin our MANLY army!
>Chuck, stop. Please.

They're like a sitcom.

>>89642458
There's so much about DC that could be a sitcom, and you wouldn't even have to make events up.

>>>/tumblr/

>>89640765
>I was there out of morbid curiosity a few months ago and it seems mostly fine now, just a lot quieter.

I guess because very few people go there and a lot of the rabid drama attention whoring lolcows moved on. Out of the mods the only active ones seem to be icon_uk (who is pretty chill), sistermagpie (one of the toxic mods) and someone named aeka.

>>89642588

So it's basically dead then? The natural conclusion to these places with zealous moderation.

>>89642611
I think there's a difference between zealous and fanatical. One means diligent concern for safety and respect, the other means obsessive desire to enforce groupthink.

>>89640043
>In a weird way, I appreciate scans_daily and Gail Simone for warning me of the current cultural apocalypse 7 years ahead of schedule.

Same here. I ended up not being surprised about what happened with the Gamergate fights and the Ghostbusters reboot cause it felt like a larger-scale version of what happened with scans_daily.

>>89641792
It was Steph, Cass and Barbara as Oracle.

Especially Steph since she got killed during that time and a lot of them were passionate about her being back, but her character's death is also what started Girl-Wonder.org which were the proto-SJW and part of the reason that s_d went to the shitter.

>>89622983
>>89622999
This is the thread in question
>scans-daily*dreamwidth*org/2046455*html

What made Gail leave was shemale getting triggered to the point they deleted their account (not before contacting the mods and making a scene of course) and after Gail left she got the ban and the mods went to comfort shemale into coming back...Ughh

Also they had a complaint thread once were the mods could listen to complaints and it was hilarious because a lot of the memebers weren't happy, pretty sure if you google shemale and scans_daily it will pop up.

>>89643043
I'm curious - I'm very anti SJW (being a hard righty and all), but I also love Steph, and think War Games was incredibly badly handled, especially with regards to Steph's death. What was wrong with Girl-Wonder, really? (The website seems to be gone at the moment)

>>89639041
I remember that in great detail. The site's owner was gone for a few years and this regular poster broke into Espanolbot's account by successfully guessing his password (it was 'futurama') then spent a day shitposting as the "new" rulers the "King" and "Queen" before deleting most everything. The board's irc group set up a new board that served as a temporary place then made a newer, better board.

>>89623184
>There was a lot of interesting and obscure comics posted on the old livejournal version.

I'm half sure I saw it being storytimed here too years ago, but one Euro story comes to mind - a library or bookstore of lost books with childhood/teen flashbacks.

>>89643188
They were rabid Stephanie Brown fans who were angry at her death and harassed DC into giving her a Robin memorial in their comics (which they did) and then into bringing her back.

They had articles and forums where they complained about your typical SJW stuff and the forums were bad because they had very draconian laws not so dissimilar to what made s_d into shit. You said something someone considered offensive? You disagreed with the majority? You didn't find something everyone else found problematic? You were banned. At some point a lot of them started migrating to s_d and some of them became mods (which then started the whole ethos rules and shit since they had something similar in their boards)

http://web.archive.org/web/20161101190709/http://girl-wonder.org/
http://web.archive.org/web/20160420080434/http://girl-wonder.org/robin/projectgirlwonder.html

It's all I could get from the web page, wish the forums were still there because those were really crazy.

>>89643565
Is THIS why the Steph and Cass fans even here on /co/ are such shitters? It's so hard to talk bluntly about either of those characters because everyone turns into such a shitty nostalgiafag about them. Them and Tim.

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>>89643563
Here you go:
https://librarycartoons.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/gospodin-libar-mister-bookseller/


I know the name because it's on this image. Hey /co/, remember this image?

>>89643565
>>89643602
I wasn't hardcore really but Stephfags still take every single thing personally
they used to send hatemail to Batwoman and are probably doing it to Batgirl right now

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There's a point I don't see anyone making. I still maintain that any large-ish community that has to accomodate for the fact that creators could and would visit the boards semi-regularly and interact with people is ultimately doomed to have them run away or turn into an overly moderated kindergarten.
Some might say it's about language, as in posting "this comic was fucking stupid" is not acceptable and a meaningful criticism debating why the comic book was bad should -but in the end? As long as you know that "Creator" could butt in in the thread or is likely to lurk because he/she are often interacting with the community you ought to end up either paranoidly self-moderating (except for the power users or mods' friends who don't) or seeing the banhammer a lot.
Boards that are large enough to matter, where creators could randomly visit from time to time and maybe just do an informal Q&A session are the best. Earlier /co/ had its problems, but it was 100% serviceable in this regard, especially since anonymity helps (possible heavy samefagging aside).

>>89640455
he also has a Deviantart where he does more comics, though not as often and not cass related.

>>89642611
Nope. People still post regularly in what remains, but it seems a pale shadow of what it once was.

So, I guess it's undead?

I'm only 19 so I have no idea how all these series were received when they came out, but I'm reading Spider-Girl right now and its like really fun
why didn't they have a weird fan army on the internet like any of these Batgirls

>>89645004
It was largely pre-internet, so they focused on letter writing campaigns - and buying multiple copies of the trades and donating them to libraries.

>>89644060
All non-anonymous communities are doomed long term, but you still need good moderation

>>89627377
Count another one. That place got toxic as fuck . Frankly more toxic than /co/

>>89642458
The weird thing is the Oracle/BC pairing is a LOT more buyable in Dixon's run of BoP.

>>89645030
seems super strange to me that this female Spider probably has less of an internet army than Gwen or Cindy, probably even the dumb ass Annie May
her series is actually pretty entertaining and endearing so far, I'm only on issue 41
my only complaint is the art kinda sucks

>>89627289
>I wonder how long you've been on 4chan.

Not him, but he certainly was there more than you if you get TRIGGERED by waifu threads.
You know this site had a loli board at first? Of course you don't, get the fuck outta here.

>>89623010

I was a member of that community for some time back on LiveJournal, but after a certain point, every *single* thread was just endless hate and bitterness and acrimony and whining and whining and whining by the regulars. I remember once asking one of their top posters, a guy called Wolfhack "Why do you even come here? You hate literally everything that's being discussed and every writer that's mentioned. If you hate everything about this industry, why do you subject yourself to it, and all of us to your constant bitching?"

And while he was one of the worst offenders, he was emblematic of the nature of the whole community. It was like trudging through a sewer of hurt feelings and rancourous hate.

Then one day I realized it was missing from my livejournal feed. I looked into it. I found out what Peter David had done, and my first thought was "I'm finally free."

It was a moment of elation, realizing that I would never again subject myself to these people's bullshit, and that Peter David was the reason why. Which is why I'll love him forever.

>>89645350
Probably because she hasn't really been used in like a decade by now, aside from Spider-Verse which was just terrible for her.

But hell, she has the ONLY title at Marvel lead by a woman to reach 100 issues without ANY relaunches or reboots.

Not even She-Hulk has that. She may have 100 issues of a solo, but not in a row.

And with the way things are currently, it will never happen again.

>>89645324
Well, Chuck doesn't seem to HATE gay people. He just, I dunno, thinks in stereotypes? Like by ending DADT the military was suddenly going to be full of fancy hairdresser dudes instead of the same butch, he-man cocksuckers that have always been the fighting men of our great nation.

>>89645593
was a member of that community for some time back on LiveJournal, but after a certain point, every *single* thread was just endless hate and bitterness and acrimony and whining and whining and whining by the regulars. I remember once asking one of their top posters, a guy called Wolfhack "Why do you even come here? You hate literally everything that's being discussed and every writer that's mentioned. If you hate everything about this industry, why do you subject yourself to it, and all of us to your constant bitching?"

Holy shit beans! I remember that argument. Yeah, wolfhack was just... well, toxic and it was long past time someone called him out. When I saw that, I was like 'finally, someone's calling him on his shit'.

I don't remember your screen name though.

>>89645807

I was just using my real name:

http://dave-littler.livejournal.com/

I haven't used that journal in ages and ages now, but it still exists.

If I recall correctly, his response was some weaksauce "I just hold things to really high standards" without then giving any examples of things which rose to those standards. Complete bullshit on his part.

>>89645454
That post is more about the content you would rather see on the board. Like, what else would you expect on /l/? Doesn't mean it has to be all over /co/.

I wasn't here in 2003 when the loli board existed and was removed though, you're right. But the 'how long' thing is in a response to a guy saying S/D and livejournal were main sources of board culture immigration.

>>89645736
It could just be the "lesbians get a free pass" thing so many people go for.

>>89645324
That was all on the artist. Dixon literally put "no homo" in his scripts.
>PANEL FOUR
>Canary crouches and holds Oracle to her. Oracle is curled in a fetal position and dripping wet. The more drama you can squeeze from this the better. We’re going for The Pieta as opposed to anything that HINTS of the sexual. This scene is apparently RIPE for misinterpretation (or OVERinterpretation.) by some of our readers.
>BARBARA: (WEAK) not Oracle…
>BARBARA: (WEAK) BARBARA.
>BARBARA: (WEAK) CALL ME BARBARA

>>89643658
Thanks a lot.

But that image isn't even that old since it has the DC toilet seat logo.

>>89623077
Peter "Gypsies, Tramps, and Thieves" David is accused of shutting down S_D?

What a madman.

>>89646590
Not just accused; he's taken credit for it. It was during his second run of X-Factor when the shrill harpies of that site were tearing strips from his flanks over the pregnancy plot.

When one of them told him to 'die in a fire' for his perceived misogyny, he called up Marvel's lawyers, who made a call to Livejournal, who banned the community, because he wasn't taking that kind of shit from a bunch of people who were literally stealing the food off of his table by pirating his work.

>>89646412
God bless that artist.

>>89644060
>All these old tripfags
>Lost in time like tears in rain

>>89638695
>The stuff they put there made me stay away from participating in fandoms and what pushed me to the anon thing in 4chan.

Yeah, Fandom Wank had that effect on people. Though to its credit, it was legitimately funny for a few years there and had some pretty hilarious and interesting stories of people acting fools (Usagi Kou, My Hed is Pasteded On, Snapewives, Victoria Bitter/Thanfiction, etc).

Then the SJW explosion happened around 2009-2010, and nothing was the same since. Every wank they reported ended up being deemed "unfunny" (because it either involved race or sex wank), and then Tumblr making things hard to follow (as people could delete or rename their blogs and links would be broken) was pretty much the final death knell. Plus a lot of the old regulars began drinking the hardcore SJW koolaid.

I sometimes wonder what things would be like if FW survived. It'd probably have become just as insufferable as scans_daily became, so maybe it's for the best that it died when it did. Especially since Tumblr wank can get downright vicious (just look at the Voltron and Steven Universe fandoms).

>>89643565
Hmm. They were doctrinaire SJWs, but I do think the core of their anger was justified - War Games was a terribly executed book. And it seems to come down, every time, to people who think Steph shouldn't have been fired and shouldn't have died, and people who think she deserved everything she got.

>>89643602
>>89644049

There's a difference between not being a fan of a character and actively telling other people they are stupid for being a fan of a character. Telling Steph fans that "she deserved to be tortured and die" is a nasty thing to do. I don't think that responding to that is being a "shitter," or a "nostalgiafag."

Some Steph and Cass fans are terrible, though, I agree.

>>89645874
The problem with being a hyper rigid person is that you can't have anything you actually like, because everything is "problematic." When your whole purpose in being a critic or fan becomes pointing out what's wrong, you naturally fall into fanaticism.

>>89647692
I think there would have been a point at time where FW would have self-corrected, except the servers became permanently robust.

>>89643602
Oh, Cass' fandom on /co/ was terrible all on its own, no outside influence needed. That was just straight up hardcore waifus.

>>89649189
I've seen a couple of waifu-Cass fans who are jerks, but the biggest jerks are the ones who say, "If you don't like Cass the best you are RACIST!" That's just straight up SJWism.

>>89649258
Their fanaticism didn't need SJWs to be absolutely terrible. They felt they were personallyabove others for liking Batgirl (and ONLY Batgirl) and wanted her to be the strongest, smartest, prettiest best girl in the DC Universe who would make Superman blush with modesty. She was the best written comic in the world, and was taken away from then in a personal attack by Didio who hated her for not being his own waifu. There were endless conspiracies, the most vitriol and spite that ever existed, and the ever-present sincere demand that DC could only be saved by bringing Cassandra Cain back and killing off Stephanie Brown again, even though they absolutely loved Stephanie Brown in the Cassandra cain run and wanted them to be in lesbians together.

Until of course they did end Stephanie Brown's Batgirl ended, at which point it became the second best book DC ever made, and another hateful attack by DC to personally hurt them. No, Cass' problem was never "SJW." It was fanatic waifu syndrome, with a more pathetic and whiny fandom than HEAT.

>>89649420
Hmm. Thinking on the SJW Cass fan that I sometimes poke on tumblr, that actually makes a lot of sense. They have incredibly irrational hatred for Steph's Batgirl series, even if they try to hide it sometimes.

>>89649420
>It was fanatic waifu syndrome, with a more pathetic and whiny fandom than HEAT.

Oh God, HEAT. I know people say that waifu fags are the worst, but HEAT proves character fanaticism can be just as bad for male characters.

(Although I will agree that Hal got handed a raw deal and I like both Hal and Kyle, but the point still stands)

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>>89649420
>smartest
Not muh Cass

http://www.cbr.com/just-past-the-horizon-the-male-space-is-just-better-hidden/

> The usual hand wringing when a livejournal community gets suspended is going on, and there are places in the conversation where I see the feminine space versus masculine space argument creep in. I’m always interested in that argument, but I can’t really agree with the idea that Scans_Daily was deleted because it was feminine space. It wasn’t shut down because it was a girl community. It was shut down because it was a soft piracy community hosted by a panicky social networking website.


>The reason for such a backlash against the community defenders from retailer-types is not because of the gender of the defenders, but because so many of them seem to be in severe denial about just what they were actually doing on this site. It was reproducing the most important parts of a copyrighted product, and doing so on a site that gained money through advertising revenue. It doesn’t matter that it was fun, that you liked each other, that good communities are hard to fin, and that many of you went out and bought the stuff. A lot of your fellow community goers were “sticking it to the Man”, and bragging about not buying the books but still knowing what was going on. This entire “we weren’t a download site” argument is like saying “oral sex doesn’t count towards losing your virginity.” Wussy pirates are still pirates.

It's funny, I can't imagine the same editorial being written today. If a predominantly geek girl community was taken down and someone yelled "sexism" CBR and all the other comic book journalistic sites would have a hayday.

>>89645004
I was 13 when Spider-Girl was an ongoing and we mostly hanged out at comicboards.com

A lot of the fans were older dudes with daughters, there were female fan too but they were in their late teens to 30's

The thing with Spider-Girl fans was that they were good at organizing and theybknew that just sending letters to Marvel alone wasn't going to do shit. They got involved with their LCS, made their own posters to promote the comic and put them out in their LCS or around the malls were they let them.

They went to book fairs and bought subscriptions for kids, they did stuff to bump up sales and according to DeFalco it worked because while Spider-Girl sold decently and it wasn't in cancellation numbers (he mentions it in a podcast with Ron) it didn't really sell spectacularly and the then Marvel marketing team wanted to cancel it because they predicted it was going to lose a lot of sales but the fans bumping the sales is what kept them from doing it.

I think a lot of the SG fans still hang around the old messageboard (DeFalco and Ron pop up there too), last time I heard one of them wanted to do a mini Spider-Girl cartoon, was casting VAs but he's keeping it hush hush until he finishes because he doesn't want Marvel to hit him with a warning or anything that might prevent him from finishing it, he ocassionally posts his progress in the messageboard tho.

>>89650166
I don't think editorial would ever suck so much corporate dick in terms of piracy these days.

>>89650558
I'm curious - I don't really follow any Spider stuff except Renew Your Vows since One More Day, but it was my impression that the Spider-Girl fans enjoyed the many female Spider characters available now. Not necessarily in the same way that they loved Mayday, but enough that it's not quite the same situation as Cass and Steph fans not really buying Harper as a replacement.

>>89640765
>before it became a SJW shitfest
There was a time it wasn't?

>>89649480
That was one of the things neo_prodigy was really good at--using his status as a black gay man to freely bash anything that he didn't like, such as Northstar and other insufficiently manly portrayals of gay men, and he absolutely hated Steph for being a stupid white bitch who displaced the perfect goddess Cass. I don't remember when he finally got booted, but it was because he'd made enough bluntly misogynist comments like wanting to strangle slash fangirls with piano wire that the community realized his minority status wasn't a protection from being a fuckwit himself.

>>89651491
The progressive stack is perhaps the most toxic thing about SJWs.

>>89651742
As a generally progressive person, people using their status to advance their own pet issues and quell disagreement (MY ship is feminist, YOU are a bad person for liking what you do in fiction) is incredibly fucking annoying and devalues the valid causes at hand.

>>89650166

If The Mary Sue goes down its gonna be hilarious

>>89622999
>one of the few queer characters
>queer
i will never understand why they are so obsessed with "reclaiming" this slur, it's like they're purposely othering themselves

>>89652011
Queer covers more than just gay, so it's as much for convenience as anything else.

>>89652120
couldn't they just say "LGBT"?

>>89652151
Queer is for informal conversation.

LGBTQ* is for formal discussion.

>>89651416
It was always a slash-fen board with a large, if not predominant female membership, but it wasn't full on nazi-modded SJW central back in the day.

>>89652178
weird distinction. the more you know! i just wonder if it bothers any of them who have had it used against them as a slur

>>89652228
They never use it as a noun, only as an adjective. A queer character is queer, but they're not a queer.

>>89652256
again, a weird distinction. i don't think that would make a difference to anyone who was bothered by it. it just seems like an unnecessary word, kind of misguided. also, i've seen it used in academia, so is it really that informal?

>>89651901
As a hard righty, it's a brilliant crystalization of Marxism that's done more harm to the liberal movement (harm as in encouraging the worst, most destructive members to take over the movement) than anything else, because it's an easily digestible and regurgitated bit of nonsense that appeals really strongly in its power to silence others.

>>89645593
>I was a member of that community for some time back on LiveJournal, but after a certain point, every *single* thread was just endless hate and bitterness and acrimony and whining and whining and whining by the regulars. I remember once asking one of their top posters, a guy called Wolfhack "Why do you even come here? You hate literally everything that's being discussed and every writer that's mentioned. If you hate everything about this industry, why do you subject yourself to it, and all of us to your constant bitching?"

I was thinking about the same with K-Box. Even before PAD came it and caused the lj to get shutdown it seemed like Box was coming in to complain for the sake of complaining most of the time. I mean I think Brand New Day was really not worth all the praise it got but reading a bunch of K-Box rants on s_d was already starting to make me think maybe BND had some merits, which was definitely not his intention.

The only tragedy is that all the old stuff was lost. But honestly, s_d was inevitably going to turn into the fucked up version on Dreamwidth, PAD involvement or no.

>>89653823
That does bring up the question - if you really hate something that isn't going away, what should you do? I mean, yes, "Ignore it" is probably the healthiest, but that only leads to everything going away, including the chance that what you loved might come back.

>>89654159
We're talking about Spider-Man comic books, not the concept of love. You can ditch a hobby you're no longer into.

>>89654354
That's an easy dodge. I agree that constant hate and rage doesn't help anyone, but I think the idea of fandom and the idea of criticism are more important than just a hobby.

>>89654159
Ignoring it can only go so far. But really the reality is nothing in comics and entertainment and other stuff is gonna stay exactly the same forever. So once you accept that you'll narrow down your battles (or snarking or whatever) to the ones worth picking.

And if you gotta rant, don't come off like a deranged lunatic, and remember that if people see you on a board or comments section or whatever that they're going to be intentionally or unintentionally judging you by the kind of posts you make on a regular basis. If most of your comments make you out to be a negative shit then they're gonna think you're a negative shit, fairly or unfairly. Vary it.

>>89653823
The only thing I didn't understand about K-Box was how much money he spent on commissioning spider-man artwork.

>>89647436
> God bless that artist.

That artist was Greg Land.

>>89654791

I seem to recall someone on here did the math. I want to say it was between $20,000 to 30,000 on it. Then when his reputation of him still wanting ones and the difficulty in dealing with him spread. Artists stopped doing commission work for him.

>>89655272
For that particular issue it was Jackson Guice.

>>89655272
It was Butch Guice

>>89655320
>blowing 30,000 dollars on spider-man micropenis cuckoldry artwork

>>89655454
Man, I wish I could drop 30k on porn.

>>89653823
I remember that time when K-Box twisted Quesada's words to make him say that he was glad that his mother chose to hide her cancer instead of trying to get a cure.

>>89654642
Fair enough. That explains why I don't like most video game critics.

>>89642346
This story make me remember her comments about Wasp deserving a fridging, because she doesn't like Wasp.

>>89626697
It got co-opted by "Alt-righter", so it's trash now. Far too many meanings, only F_FA uses the original term, and now /even/ they are feeling some kind of way about it.

>I miss when SJW used to mean something.

>>89643043
>her character's death is also what started Girl-Wonder.org which were the proto-SJW

God, I fucking HATED Girl-Wonder.
They were almost bad enough to turn me against Spoiler as a character, because of their empty fucking attachment to her as Girl Robin with little to no interest for her as a character beyond the symbolism of her being a girl Robin.

>>89657655
A lot of critics use the angry ranting act as a schtick and it works.... up to a point. They'd have to be able to back up their ability to review. But even then I stopped reading some comic reviewers because I got really tired of their attempt to be "angry" despite how they did otherwise decent reviews when they're not doing the act.

>>89651174
>it was my impression that the Spider-Girl fans enjoyed the many female Spider characters available now

I'd imagine they'd might.

There was IIRC a pretty heavy backlash against Arana (because she was propped up by Queseda explicitly as a replacement for Mayday) but I doubt there's that much vigor against the newer models.

>>89655447
>>89655449
Honestly, if it had been Land, the obvious explanation would have been that his only "women in embrace" tracing material was his porno stack.

All this talk of Stephanie reminds me of Waffles For Stephanie.

Boy, was that a laugh riot.

>>89660393
Some of them were like that, but I know nevermore999 actually did love Steph before she was Robin, and I'm pretty sure she was a big part of both S_D and G-W.

>>89660769
Arana was a stupid move by Marvel - right after one of the cancellations of Mayday's series. And it was really boring.

>>89661363
I liked the idea, but it wasn't nearly as smart as the "Buy Cass's first issue" campaign. Seriously, sending foodstuffs was a terrible, terrible idea. But it was the age of sending TV shows stupid stuff.

>>89661838

Yeah nevermore999 was around prior to the whole War Games thing.

>>89661876
It would have worked if they had sent significantly more than 10 waffles.

>>89645874
> the author of It's a Wonderful Incest

I will never ever regret the bans I've taken storytiming that

>>89626062
and we havent recovered since.

>>89661876

I get why they did it. The Volume 2 mini bombed and DC said she couldn't carry an ongoing by herself any longer. So the theory given there weren't many appearances wise concerning Cass at that time (this was her first round "comic limbo" the second being right when New 52 started). But I agree it was flawed idea.

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>>89654791
>The only thing I didn't understand about K-Box was how much money he spent on commissioning spider-man artwork.

"Commissioning artwork of Peter Parker being taunted about his microscopic penis on view by the women in his life."

It's like "A Tribe Called Quest," you have to say the whole thing anon.

>>89660393
>because of their empty fucking attachment to her as Girl Robin
Is there any difference at all between them then and the Carol Corps now
(or HEAT to level the playing field)

>>89626062
>Old /co/ also wasn't as easy to bait
This is a lie. We were 4chan's easiest board to bait. /tv/ holds that honor now and they're welcome to keep it.

>>89662059
>commission a Cass mini and give it to the hack writer who assassinated her character
>"Why doesn't anyone want to buy this book? It must be because no one likes the character anymore."
Bravo DC

>>89649521
HEAT is genuinely the worst than any fandom. Even sjw ones. Fuck them.

I remember they were so happy with Hal back and being the best that they completely missed what madw the characters tick. You still see occasions of old Hal however.

>>89662174
nothing will ever be gayer than Halfags

>>89629363
>Riley
That is not a person. That is a bag of crazy shithouse rats. You might want to take a piss break before reading all of this.
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/The_Arkh_Project

>>89642611
It doesn't help that lj/dw in general died and went to tumblr. Even perfectly well run comms are slowly dying.

>>89662297

i'm glad I can into comics like halfway into Johns' GL run so I could just read about HEAT and laugh at them

>>89663010
>lj/dw in general died and went to tumblr
Of course it did, tumblr took the idea of blogging and then removed the ability to post replies calling people out on utter bullshit

which platform is a snowflake going to choose, the one where they're god by default with only likes and reblogs, or the one where shit can be thrown back in their face for all to see

>>89662651
Ah, the Arkh Project.
Wasn't this one of the biggest crowdfunding scams to hit the scene before it became cool to scam people on Kickstarter?

>>89645593

>"Why do you even come here? You hate literally everything that's being discussed and every writer that's mentioned. If you hate everything about this industry, why do you subject yourself to it, and all of us to your constant bitching?"

this sounds like /co/....

made a few posts there way back.
Mother Zombie Hat

>>89661939
But the whole thing about mass fan actions is you need to lower the barrier to entry. The reason it works for TV shows is that TV shows have literally millions of people, so if only 1% of people do a thing, that's still 10,000 people. Comics - you have maybe 20,000 people who are hardcore fans of a character, so if even 10% of people do a thing, it's only 2000.

Buying a comic on a website on a specific day? That's super easy - low barrier to entry. Sending a package of foodstuffs? That's so many steps - getting the waffles, storing them, going to the post office, buying postage (not to mention getting the address). So I'd be really surprised if more than .1% of the 20,000 or so Steph fans actually did it. Nor can I blame the 19,990 fans who didn't (which included me). It was a cute but dumb plan.

>>89649420

>Until of course they did end Stephanie Brown's Batgirl ended, at which point it became the second best book DC ever made, and another hateful attack by DC to personally hurt them. No, Cass' problem was never "skeleton." It was fanatic waifu syndrome, with a more pathetic and whiny fandom than HEAT.

oh man it was wild watching all the hate when the book came out and was going and then like month 2 of Rebirth people are talking about it like they loved this obscure thing.

>>89662239
Pretty much exactly this. Seriously - what's the deal with giving the attempt to redeem Cass to the guy who pisses off the fanbase just by existing? It's like giving Superman movies to the guy who directed the movie which made people who love Superman hate it.

Oh, wait. Nice going, DC.

>>89663066
>Wasn't this one of the biggest crowdfunding scams to hit the scene before it became cool to scam people on Kickstarter?
Even better, Arkh conned both Gail Simone and Neil Gaiman into signal boosting them on social media. No, I don't have links or archives but I remember reading them and facepalming at the time.

>>89663439
I would assume it's the same virtue signalling that permeates to this day: "Promote this or you'll be ___ist against me/us."

To be fair, I can only assume the signal boosting amounted to a few Retweets on Twitter and maybe a Facebook or Tumblr post.

>>89660329

They still do. It's just that nowadays, those tactics are no longer considered unacceptable, so they have become the norm and accepted among the mainstream left. Hell. Why do you think the usual suspect are allowed to roam free on Twitter without ANY repercussions from their own team? The only ones getting reprimanded now are the ones who aren't fully on board with all the awful tactics. (Wil Wheaton for example)

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>>89663702
Gail needed to look like she wasn't the enemy.

As for Neil, it would be kind of tough for him to demand high standards on crowdfunding. Pic related

>>89623418
That last post is golden. Someone get that man a job writing Spider-Man.

>>89663883
This

>>89663439

i don't remember and the link doesn't explain if it was always clearly a clusterfuck. Might've been they heard super early and bought the pitch before it was clearly bullshit.

>>89663865

chapos #2, hell yah

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This was the time a Mod on S_D accused a black person of being racist against black people.

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>>89669752
The staggering hypocrisy is jaw-dropping. From the same year, too.

>>89622754
The weekly threads for 52 were amazing and then it all went to shit shortly after.

>>89669752

Darrylayo is a huge whiny asshole on twitter now. He'd probably agree with the mod that told him that today.

>>89656977
When was that?

On a related note I found this: http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-69093.html

which had this response:

>This is better than any news out of Wondercon.

>I recognize that a lot of people got back into comics because of excerpts posted on scans_daily, but frankly I've got more time and respect for people who actually *read* comics but pirate them and can't afford to buy them all than I do for a lot of the posters on scans_daily who don't, at all, read comics and just continually bitch about how awful comics are based solely on the out-of-context excerpts posted there. It trafficked in sensationalism and (most of the time) anti-intellectualism, was filled with death threats and psychos like K-Box who make death threats and believe that fanfiction is making regular comics 'obsolete'... it was a place for people to go where they can just complain and squee and complain and squee without ever really thinking about the comic. With scans_daily gone, I hope this forces people to actually seek out full copies of comic books and actually read them rather than simply following the industry through jaded 'fans' who literally read comics only to complain.

It was by uzumerid, whom I assume is David Uzumeri?

>>89674543
>With scans_daily gone, I hope this forces people to actually seek out full copies of comic books and actually read them rather than simply following the industry through jaded 'fans' who literally read comics only to complain.
jej

>>89674543
Whodat?

>>89674227
I saw that when I googled him. Sad to see the regressives swallowing up the liberals.

>>89632960
His issue seems to be in using summary as an excuse to just post most of the pages.

scans_daily was one of the two sites that got me back into western comics, the other being The Weekly Crisis. I'll admit it, considering the size of the community, it has been moderated horribly.

Destroy scans_daily

Burn it

>>89680302
Go ahead and do it, you powerless nobody. Go on. Try.

>>89677976
>The Weekly Crisis
Fuck, I totally forgot this existed.
I used to check it every day, that was quite an enjoyable site.
I loved the moments of the week

>>89680302
Not your personal army.

>>89677463
Uzumeri is the guy on Comics Alliance who did annotations for Multiversity. He also is or was a regular on SA's comics board.