Hasn’t history proven that Marx’s vision of an egalitarian

>>89594333
WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY EYE!?

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>>89594390
cant tell if bait or alt-sodomright

It's almost like that's why a reasonable compromise of socialism and capitalism, that provides a high ceiling for people to fight over but a bottom floor that keeps people's base needs met so they can dedicate time to learning and growing over being worried about not dying, and decide maybe they also want a nice big TV like the Jeffersons next door. You know, like most of the successful civilized nations.

>>89594408
>doing drugs is ok in moderation

And I'm Regular Stormy!

>>89594295
Marx's utopia required full automation of all labor and then he declared history would literally end. Somehow.

When will people realize this was some college fag during the industrial revolution freaking out about the factory system?

I DECLARE MARTIAN LAW!

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Say /co/, would you put your brain in a robot body?

>>89594452
Trashcans really stand out and ruin the perfect beauty of a city.

Just release a swarm of raccoons every night to eat all the trash.

>>89594452
he was obviously baiting tho

>>89594425
Literally medicine

>>89594475
Is it a strong robot body?

>>89594475
Could I have a pair of sweet rocket tits?

>>89594475
CRUSHED HANDS! GET IT?! GET IT?!

>>89594475
that depends on the specific robot body

>>89594475
No.

I'd put my brain in a robot shark.

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So I'll never get to live in the Federation? No holodecks? No replicators? No space babes?

It's not so much a "Time Machine" as it is a "Dodgeball Machine".

>>89594514
hands down best episode

AND I SAY TO MYSELF, I NEED EXACT CHANGE

>>89594475
Absolutely yes. Literally the second it becomes technologically and financially possible, I WILL be in the front of the line to go full cyborg GitS style. You have no idea how badly I want this to happen.

The true meaning of Alvistide is drinking.

Drinking and Revenge.

>>89594475
will I have the strength of 10 gorillas?

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>>89594475
Depends, can the robot body feels the joys of carnal pleasures? If not, I'll pass.

>>89594475
Nah, wait for the whole death-bed thing. A whole body is not the kind of thing you want to be an early adopter on.

>>89595276
It is if you have a strong desire to get out of the body you've currently got.

>>89594475

Good Lord, are we under attack?

>>89594408
The best the modern world has is Singapore, which is held back only by the proximity of China and being on a tiny island.
It's peaceful, prosperous and a shining gem among the ocean of failed states that surround it.

>>89594492
A crime is a crime is a crime Anon.

>>89597150
>China
>not the Mudlaysian nations of Indonesia and Malaysia

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>>89594568
>cyborg GitS style

I'd be completely fine with something less refined.

>>89597171
Those are powerless to really influence Singapore beyond the face that as a tiny island they need to import food. China can actually extend some control over their lives and ways of living.

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>>89597150
Have you considered that the reason Singapore works is because it's tiny island ? And that the societal system it uses would suffer if replicated in larger landmass, inhabited by numerous population centers.

QUINS BEEN SPLEEPING WITH A HOOKER?!

>>89595276
What if you get in a car crash and don't have the chance for a deathbed?

>>89594568
Same.

>>89594568
Hi, Aaron Diaz

>>89597295
Singapore would not collapse if it included enough land to have the farms and power plants needed to be self sufficient.

>>89597208
Singapore's entire military is designed with the threat of Malaysians in mind. It's the reason why they have good ties with Israel, a nation whose military is focused on defending against extremely numerous Muslims.

>>89597427
Not like they could make an army capable of facing China anyway

>>89597150
You ca use Singapore's success to argue for everything.
>Diversity
>Government control over everyone
>Corporatism

>>89597457
*can

>>89597451
China and Singapore are close. China's economic success was based on singapore's formula.

>>89597451
In general this is why China's neighbors are aligning themselves with countries like the USA and India in order to box China in, and why people who think China will become some ultra superpower or that BRICS will ever be anything of substance are in for a surprise.

>>89594568
The second huh? That's a bold move, I'd wait for the second generation models at least so more of the kinks are ironed out.

>>89594492
>Narcotics are the same as antihistamines, NSAIDs, antibiotics, etc.
Boy you are retarded

>>89597150
I have a crazy idea
LET'S ALL MOVE TO SINGAPORE!

>>89597512
Just because not all medicines are drugs it doesn't means that medicines doesn;t use a lot of drugs too

>>89597512
> Narcotics and drugs are the same

lmao, how can many people be so wrong without any kind of coordination

>>89598099
well, if you want to buy medicine, you go to DRUGSTORE

>>89598150
I didn't argue that. Just pointing out that jumping from drugs to narcotics was pretty bold

>>89598190
Drugs are bad m'kay?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M

>>89597512
>In small doses narcotics have valuable medical uses, numbing the senses, relieving severe pain, and inducing sleep. They are also given preoperatively to relieve pain and anxiety.

Yes, doing drugs is ok in moderation.

>>89594568
>>89594475
Of course not, because that robot it wont be me, it would have a copy of my brain waves, but the original me would still be alive and dying, so why would i want me to have eternal life if I cant have it.

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>>89600510

>>89597356
Singapore occupies both a unique geographical & political position that makes it especially valuable. It's not something that you can just replicate. It's a giant sea port on one of the biggest sea-lanes in the world and an international hub for trading with all of East Asia.

Not every city can be Singapore or Hong Kong even if they tried to copy the same political outlook.

>>89594475
Will I still have full uses of my senses, or are you going to make me go mad like Metallo?

>>89594512
You're more likely to get the UNSC than the federation.

Uh-oh!

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>>89601616

>>89600683

Lmao nice false analogy boi

>>89594425
What is wrong with doing drugs in moderation? As long as no one died or was exploited in the manufacture and distribution of the substance where is the harm? How is somebody choosing to alter their consciousness wrong, harmful, or immoral?

>>89597512
We literally give people heroine as medicine and it's the most narcotic of narcotic drugs.

>>89600683
Obviously no nation or society can function if it's members are not sane for the majority of their lives. However, relaxation, thinking, having fun.. Those should be allowed. Even Jesus Christ made wine - good for the start, worse for the drunken night.

>>89597300

UH OH!

>>89594408
>t's almost like that's why a reasonable compromise of socialism and capitalism

Fuck that. The freer the market the freer the people.

>>89602201
And also more freer corporations, banks and funny orange clowns to exploit the system, monopolize markets, destroy small-medium businesses and force you to work yourself to the bone for pennies.
The average american is less free than the average first worlder from other countries.

But above all bullshit there's tipping culture. Fuck that shit.

>>89602392
Don't forget ugly white prune women who thrive off insider trading

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Eat some more pills, pill head.

>>89602201
Lack of regulation leads to oligarchy just the same as government takeover of the means of production

A successful society must endeavor to maintain checks and balances and prevent any one entity, private or public, from gaining enough wealth and influence to threaten the rule of law.

This is done through regulation and monopoly-busting, two things the US has completely fucked up over the last 30 years.

>>89600618
Im such a selfish egotistic fuck that i think the world doesn't deserve to exist withouth me.

So any version is good because its me, and i can keep my glorious legacy go on as i fart on the same chair everyday.
until the robot wars.
in which i will fart in YOUR chair.

>>89602392
>freer corporations
>freer banks

Good. Those are just groups of people.

Pretty much every problem you just listed only became worse with government intervention.

See: the shitty, monopoly of a mess that is the pharmaceutical industry because the FDA discourages competition.

>>89594425
It literally is. Problem is, you get addicted and can't stop.

>>89600683
>I only shitpost in moderation!

This thread is shit

>>89602817
Maybe more people should fucking watch Sealab then.

>>89602667

>Monopoly-busting

Monopolies are destroyed by direct competition and competition via the production of substitutes. The free market does this more efficiently than the federal government could ever dream of.

>>89602784
And here we see the rube that the GOP has taken in; by purposefully sabotaging government action, they legitimize the argument that government can do nothing right and should be removed from the equation.

Over here in reality people with developed critical thinking skills understand that libertarianism doesn't work, that corporations need to be forced to not pollute and to not exploit their workers and to not monopolize, and that traditional banks need to be forced out of speculator markets to prevent crashes.

>>89602867
>that corporations need to be forced to not pollute and to not exploit their workers

Corporations bend to the demand of the consumer. The people are better at discouraging pollution than the government. If people demand and want it, they get it. Corporations, unlike the government, are subject to negative consequences for bad decisions. It's in a business' best interest to generate profit while keeping consumers happy and minimizing pollution and waste.

I don't have to sabotage government action. They perform subpar work all on their own.

>>89594708
You could have a set-up where you can stimulate the pleasure centers of the brain. Orgasm after orgasm; relive great meals or getting high.

>>89602864
>Monopolies are destroyed by direct competition and competition via the production of substitutes
No, monopolies are destroyed by antitrust lawsuits.

>The free market does this more efficiently than the federal government could ever dream of.
Not even remotely; the only way to challenge a monopoly in the free market is by disrupting said market entirely, and even then you can be sued, strong-armed, and lobbied into either selling to your competitor or shutting down entirely. That's not even getting into collusion/price fixing or marking out non-competitive "territories" like the cable/phone companies.

>>89602667
>>89602392

The government has made more monopolies than it's destroyed.

>>89594444
People still haven't realize that the American Constitution was written by most of the major land owners and politicians of its day insuring they would keep their job security in the face of saying they're setting up a "democracy" that had nothing to do with the majority of the country's citizens because that was up to those members to decide when they went back to their home legislatures.

Ironically, capitalism is seeking the same fully automated end-goal; it just doesn't care about what happens to the laborers that it puts out of work because capitalism isn't a moralist philosophy, but an economic system.

>>89602912
>The people are better at discouraging pollution than the government
Are you genuinely retarded? The American people are the ones who put stupid shit on their cars to INCREASE pollution just as a fuck you to conservationists.

>Corporations, unlike the government, are subject to negative consequences for bad decisions
I don't know what government your country has, but in representative governments the idea is that lawmakers and judges and such that make bad decisions are DIRECTLY responsible to the taxpayer (as opposed to corporations which only answer to shareholders and the law itself).

You've got a nice little theory, but it's not borne out by reality. Internal consistency is not enough.

I'm also going to assume you're fairly young, because if you were older you'd remember how insane pollution was before the EPA got a modicum of real power. No regulatory oversight + profit incentive = flammable rivers

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>>89601655
>>89602147
>>89602805
>responding to quentin
C'mon son.

>>89602932
Like I said: the US has dropped the ball horribly on monopoly-busting since the bell breakup. FFS, at this point all the bells are one company again, it's just called AT&T instead of Bell Telephone Company

There is no such thing as a natural monopoly.

Not once has there ever been a single example in a free market of one producer achieving lower long-run average total costs than everyone else in the industry and thereby establishing a permanent monopoly.

There is always competition.

Unless the government butts in, that is.

>>89594425

Yup.

>>89602991
>lawmakers and judges and such that make bad decisions are DIRECTLY responsible to the taxpayer

>Business-owner fucks up
>No longer has a business

>Elected official fucks up
>Might lose re-election in three years

>>89600683
Reductio ad absurdum.

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>>89601655
>>89602147
>>89602805
A crime is a crime is a crime. Smoking weed is against the law. So is murder. What does that say about weed?

>>89603117
based Quinten

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>>89603086
>Business-owner fucks up
>No longer has a business
How can you even type that with a straight face

>>89594295
Yes but liberals aren't really known for being smarter than reading a book form of a pamphlet.

>>89603086
Liberterians are such tards.

>>89603028
Yeah, Ma Bell can't be fucking beat.
In fact, it was solely because they didn't care about Southwestern Bell and Bell South STILL HAVING A MONOPOLY IN THEIR REGIONS that modern AT&T is a thing.

>>89603153
This.
Only a live-at-home NEET or child could have typed that unironically.

>>89603117
know it is bait, but crimes are also divide up into section based on severity. To make the leap that weed = murder is just dumb.

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>>89603117
Mr. A called; he saying he's going to kill you because you stole his line of reasoning and A = A, you're evil because you committed theft.

Are [political group X] really this stupid? Holy shit

>>89603086

That's hilariously wrong.

>>89603117
That murder cures glaucoma?

>>89603007
>quentin
Who?

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>>89594295
I did not understand 1 fucking word of that

>>89603117
>Smoking weed is against the law.

I can smoke weed all day long and it's as legal as drinking water.

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>>89603422

>>89603422
its suppose to be a joke anyway but people ITT are too stupid to not take it seriously

>>89603422
The simple answer is that you need to watch Sealab 2021.

The more complicated answer is that communism causes the problems it's set up to solve, and yet after multiple horrible failures, some morons still insist it'll totally work this time, guys, seriously, they were just doing it wrong!

>>89603467
I have a better idea.
What if I anally rape each one of you in this thread? Will that answer the question about the meaning of life?

>>89601703
>As long as no one died or was exploited in the manufacture and distribution of the substance
Good luck with that.

>>89603458
communism is retarded

>>89603422
Every communist society based after Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto has created a society more oppressive to the people who put it in place than the one those people were trying to get rid of originally.

The correct answer to why communist doesn't work is because humans are greedy and you can't trust a small group of them to put the needs of the many over themselves when money and power are involved.

>Capitalist free market model economy is crumbling, increasing wealth disparities, pitting poorer classes against each other, causing widespread unemployment and poverty
>"The fault belongs to this economic model which we are not currently adopting"

Really gets your neurons working

>>89603875
I really hope that you are not implying that communism is an economic model?

There is this old Polish saying
"adapt communism on sahara, and in a week, the sand will be missing"

The sad fact is that communism would only work in a post scarcity society

>>89604072
The sad fact is that utopia is something that is impossible to achieve, and therefore impossible to exist

>>89603943
Not really communism in general, more like literally any model and/or ideology that isn't strictly ancap/libertarian drivel.

Only in America liberals, democrats, socialists, communists, centrists, sometimes even right-leaning models more open to government intervention, are all the same evil entity intent on plotting to steal your precious freedumbs or fruity pebbles or whatever.

>>89604104
I would say that some people have come pretty damn close to living in a utopia.

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>>89604118
>being this butthurt that the best country in the world is that way because of it's love of liberty, small goverment and invididualism

>>89604118
Probably, because you want it all
You want it now

>>89604159
Getting close is not the same as actually achieving something. As a matter of fact, the process of getting to something is much better than achieving something, because once you achieve the ideal state, there is nothing left more to achieve

>>89604183
Tell that to the Koch brothers

>>89604165
>liberty, small government, and individualism

I hope this is fucking bait.
Isn't this the same country that is celebrating that its government is strong enough to target a select amount of immigrants and legal residents and keep them from coming into the country while kicking anyone who opposes it out of that same government?

>>89602154
>>89601616
>>89601647
ATTENTION ON DECK: UH-OH! UH-OH! UH-OH!

>>89604216
I will, if I get their number

Personally I consider myself a liberal social democrat, but I feel like the best way to build a better society is incrementally. You look at individual problems and solve them one at a time. Want all citizens to have universal health coverage? Implement a single payer insurance system. If it works, great, if it doesn't, refine it until it does work or look for a different solution. Just solve each problem one at a time (or more than one at a time since large populations can have multiple groups working on different projects). We may never achieve a "perfect" society where all problems are solved, but we can get as close as possible in time.

Anyone who thinks a "utopia" can just be built all at once through a quick revolution or tearing everything down and starting from scratch, whether it's communist, libertarian, authoritarian or something else completely is fooling themselves.

>>89604251
You should also try to get the number of everyone on this list and the numbers of their kids
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerenblankfeld/2016/03/01/forbes-billionaires-full-list-of-the-500-richest-people-in-the-world-2016/#15eca7766c24

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>>89594512
Just remember, before we got to that point where humanity was willing to give global unification and socialism a shot... we spent the early 21st century in WW3 and living in post-apocalyptic dystopia.

>>89604306
That's a big list

>>89603117
I smoked it 35 minutes ago

>>89604321
That's a list of people who have a life style as close to utopian as you can currently get.

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>>89604285
I feel like you kids have
TOO MUCH FREE TIME

as you keep wasting it on thinking about bullshit har har

>>89604285
This.

It's why I really hated this election - between Bernie and Trump, it felt like too many people on both sides were incapable of accepting that politics are slow and turgid by nature.

I blame the Instant Electronic Gratification generation.

>>89604337
eh, utopia is not necessarily more money than you can spend. happiness, are they happy? do they have friends? is anyone loving them? I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to be ordinary for a day.

>>89604370
I blame it on marvel and their stupid movies

>>89604285
I agree completely on the entire front but unfortunately politics, specially democracies, don't work like this.
It's all about getting more coverage, either by paying or having ties with the medias, silencing the oppositions, spreading lies or half truth or just by screaming controversial and outrageously dumb shit and blaming everything on a group that is gathering hate, doesn't matter if actually justified.

>>89602912

>Corporations bend to the demand of the consumer.

The terrifying thing is that most of the people who actually BELIEVE this are, in fact, consumers. It's mind numbing watching the flaming hoops people scramble through to create a shrinkwrap of control and agency over their surroundings.

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Just once I want this thread to be honeypot

>>89604549
Too bad people don't actually watch sealab and would rather complain about communism.

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>>89594425

>>89604473
Well, that's just another problem that needs to be solved. Either through the government or outside the government, find a way to create a news distribution media system that's driven to accurately inform the public rather than one that's driven to profit from maximizing viewership.

>>89604549
It's not the posters' fault they are hungry for political discussion but not all of them want to lower themselves to use a certain low quality containment board.
Besides, this thread was bait since its inception and the responsability falls on the mods for allowing it.

>>89604755
>It's not the posters' fault
Yes, it fucking is.

>>89604715
It would very easily devolve into an agenda based news outlet, and the idea of having a single source for news nowadays is naive at best. The closest thing to a objective and unconditioned news outlet is Internet as a whole, and even then look at how many fake news, dubious sources and sensationalist journalism there is. There cannot be an objectively perfectly accurate or just well intentioned single source of information, one needs to gather infos from multiple sources, skim through the yellow journalism and misinformation to build an as unbiased as possible stance.
The real problem is that the vast majority of the population lacks the critical skills to do so, even in modern first world nations.

>>89604242
Da
Da
Aheheheh, da...
Pivo!

>>89604982
>The real problem is that the vast majority of the population lacks the critical skills to do so

I think it's the effort required to do so, rather than the skills. People are lazy.

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>>89594295
On the contrary.

With the exception of psychological factors such as insecurity or the hedonic treadmill, which disciplines such as Buddhism have shown are regulatable, most people regardless of class in America live more or less the same lives, eating the same food, watching the same TV shows, using the same internet.

Even congressmen still buy Starbucks

>>89594295
CHOPPER DAVE!

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>>89594295
History has proven every attempt of Marxism has failed, and that it is a very hard type of society to orient, but it is definitely achievable.

It all comes down to the leaders, means of production, and laws.

Communism purely by defintion, applied to a subjective definition of "Standard of Living" can still be a recipe for egalitarian utopia.

The problem with every communist regime, they have utterly failed in carving out a decent and fair life for their collective citizens, and uneffectively beaurecratic, and usually end up totalitarian autocratic dictatorships...

However lets say in a country we have the means of production and a benevolent leader who defines the basic rights of every humans as 3 hot meals a day, 2 hot showers daily, clean latrines resources, high speed internet, electricity, heating and cooling with sturdy home to live in and a car to drive, and then let a free market exist so that not only will people be insured the governmental saftey net of equal living, you can go beyond through work to get other and better cars and things..

It would be the perfect government, and is still actually plausible, if the ever right revolution occurs.

>>89603589

It doesn't work in large populations, that's for sure. Socialism, however, is pretty good.

>>89605559
>>89605101
Stop bumping your own thread

>>89606955
you cant bump your own thread
also you can see unique IPs bro

>>89606955
Lol