Why isn't Transformers Armada ever talked about anymore?

>>89537937
I dunno, it's just not that memorable. It was the first bit of Transformers media I ever saw and got into and I can barely remember any specific events.

>>89537973
I remember Sideways betraying both sides and Optimus combining with Jetfire if those count

>>89537937
Wasn't this show notoriously bad?

This show was my introduction to the franchise.
I have zero memories of it, and it was probably shit.

>>89538370
I think it was one of the sequel series, Energon or Cybertron.

>>89538448
Energon is up there with Kiss Players and the Beast Within in levels of bad.

Toys weren't bad to though.

People only care about Animated and Prime and their buff waifu now

>>89538448
>Energon
I remember being so disappointed by that series after loving Armada and its animation, it looked even worse than Beast Wars does despite coming out a decade later.

>>89538577
>>89538547
I haven't watched either sequel series since they originally aired on T.V.

The main thing I remember is in one of them Demolisher, Cyclonus, and Tidal Wave were noisy and fucking annoying. Always yelling, yodeling, and chanting his own name as they went into battle.

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It was all right. Had some great moments, had some really cheesy moments. It's too bad they ruined Tidal Wave, Demolisher and Cyclonus in Energon.

I remember Energon and Cybertron being really lame and infantile. Besides those things, I only remember the latter two having some cute girls, namely Misha and Iori.

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So, what did you guys think of G1? I've just gotten a bit past the movie and it's certainly a "so bad it's good" type of show to me.

>>89539307
Wrong thread buddy.

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This is such an inconsistent series. The early eps are laughably bad (but so are most Transformers series) but the Starscream arc later on was some great shit

>>89539321

Sorry. Ended up creating a post instead of a thread. Forgot that I had a thread opened.

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>>89539380
Didn't Starscream become "Thundercracker" and then in Cybertron they actually introduced a character called Thundercracker?

Also Soundwave was a DJ...

Its first real transformers I saw as a kid, the other beast wars.

>>89539453
I stopped watching in mid-Energon I had outgrown transformers by cybertron

>>89539380
Starscream has always been a Top Tier character, ever since G1.

It was a much more condensed and budgeted Transformers series with an over-reliance on human shitstains, unmemorable characters and horrible quality control.

I'm literally struggling to remember anything that made it stand out, let alone any part of it that aged well.

>>89537937
I don't remember this one that well. My brother watched both this and Energon, but I didn't really start getting into Transformers until Cybertron.

>>89539552
>unmemorable characters

Like Overload?

>>89539552
The sword

The line where Megatron tries to talk down Starcream when he has the sword

The Aircraft carrier guy

Megatron *combining* with the aircraft carrier guy

Jetconvoy

Jetconvoy and Galvatron assaulting Unicron together.

Sideway's betrayal

>>89539552
>I'm literally struggling to remember anything that made it stand out
The pokemon aspect?

>>89539585
Say something impacting about each primary character.

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>>89539453
Energon was a direct sequel to Armada but Cybertron is only really tied to them by Hasbro marketing.

>>89539552
I seem to recall hearing that the first half of the series was pushed through production and onto air before parts of the footage was even finished.

>>89539934
I dunno. I barely remember the show. I do remember Overload practically being a giant Mini-Con though.

>>89539976
I know I played with his toy more than I did Unicron.
It was just more fun.

>>89540011
Man, transforming that Unicron toy was a fucking afternoon task. Fucker had like, fifty steps I swear...

>>89539380
Armada Starscream was a real bro to the end. Didn't the Star Saber choose him at one point?

>>89539953
Whoa, when did this happen? Those are Energon designs, but the animation is regular 2D.

>>89540243
If I recall, everyone got a color palette swap near the end of Armada. I don't remember why though.

Did anyone else ship Starscream and Alexis?

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>>89540243
Every once in a while Energon would quickly slip in a scene of 2d animation.

>>89537937
The show is not very good and while many of the toys have very good designs, they aged poorly due to some technical limitations at the time.

Unfortunately there's not much willingness by Hasbro to make toys of things that aren't G1, so Armada gets little love. We've still had an Armada Megaton and Starscream in the last few years though, and a Demolishor was planned from Combiner Wars Onslaught.

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>>89540777
Oh yeah and there's a Voyager Total Wave coming from Broadsides.

>>89539198

The highest point was easily the movie. Shit, nothings managed to top that yet. The rest is varying degrees of ridiculous to good ideas with terrible, terrible animation.

The Karbombya episodes are always good for a laugh in this day and age too.

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>>89540777
>many of the toys have very good designs

I know this isn't /toy/, but most of the Armada toys were pretty bad, we're talking G1-level bricks.

>>89541139
Personally the funniest to me was when Powerglide had a girlfriend, because he just fucking smacked and threw that bitch around. Shit made me crack up the whole way through.

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>>89540815
>there's a Voyager Total Wave coming from Broadsides.
>Total Wave

Guess now we know why Tidal Wave repeats his name over and over

>>89541277
After animated and Prime I remember nothing

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>>89541322
Not even when IDW Tidal Wave transformed into a Whale and got stuck mid-transformation? Sad.

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>>89541233
The DESIGNS are good. The engineering is where they're lacking.

Word is that after Beast Wars everyone who knew how to design transforming robots had left, so they basically had to relearn everything from scratch. Plus you've got to remember, there had never been vehicle Transformers that had Beast Wars levels of posability (other than the Cyberjets,) so they were breaking a lot of new ground.

>>89541277
Cucked again by Auto-correct

>>89541348
i feel like i had this game but i don't remember the gameplay at all

>>89541402
It was a FUNCTIONAL game, not that great a game.

>>89541372
>Whale

Wait what?

I couldn't be the only one who thought Bumblebee in the Bayformers was just Hotshot but mute. :V

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>>89541424
"Sins of the Wreckers"

>>89541429
im pretty sure they are suppose to be the same character
except they used Bumblebee's design as a minicon so they just made a new character with the same colors and characteristics instead

>>89538370
Nah, production was rushed. It was an interesting show. Starscream was best character.

>>89541888
Starscream is always the best character

>>89542167
>Starscream is always the best character
>Always
I want this meme to stop. That's only objectively true for G1 and maybe the Unicron trilogy.

>>89541471

I wish people would storytime TF stuff as much as other stuff. Totally missed Sins. Too bad Preacher Anon doesn't seem to read TF stuff, otherwise we'd probably be loaded with storytimes.

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>>89541261
The Girl Who Loved Powerglide and Triple Takeover are my favorite G1 episodes

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>>89542454

>>89539585
Overload wasn't a character, he was a weapon

>>89537937
All I remember was that I cried for Starscream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxL8hQ0jwyg

also that the sequels fucked everything up

>>89541888
Hot Shot was conceptualized as "Bumblebee" and even had the name on production material, but Hasbro couldn't get at trademark on the name Bumblebee at the time so they renamed him Hot Shot.

Animated Bumblebee was originally going to be Hot Shot, but the movie raised awareness of the name Bumblebee so back to that.

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>>89542478

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>tfw still have 10 or 15 figures from this series around the house (not including dozens of minicons)

>>89541277
>tfw always kept this dude in ship mode and kept pretending he was the Egg Carrier from Sonic Adventure
Sometimes I miss that shit

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>>89537937
>Why isn't Transformers Armada ever talked about anymore?
It's anime technically, not a Western cartoon, you'll find it talked about occasionally in TF threads but many people on this board are on this particular one because they don't watch anime, and I'm sure it doesn't get talked about on /a/ either though I don't go there

>>89540777
>The show is not very good and while many of the toys have very good designs, they aged poorly due to some technical limitations at the time.
Me and you can agree to disagree, I thought it took the designs backwards to a more G1 type thing (playskool colors, usually brickish, poorly articulated, never a ball joint in sight and often useless gimmicks)

>>89539198
G1 is good IMO, some of the plots are overly silly and the animation is cheap but both of those things were just par for the course of 80s cartoon shows, I know it's not everybody's cup of tea especially if they are younger and didn't get the chance to see it as a kid

And about Armada in general just to say something else, I know it there are SOME decent things that could be said about it but in general I wasn't a fan and it was pretty much the reason I stopped caring about Transformers in my teen years, I thought it was very stock "kiddy anime" type stuff, the whole thing to me was just reminiscent in tone of things like Pokemon, Beyblade, Yu Gi Oh, and other merch based animes which I was into to some extent but felt Transformers deserved better than that, and while the same could be said (possibly even more so) about the previous series, at least with that one I still liked the toyline since it allowed me to get a lot of repaints and old molds that had been absent from stores once again as well as what I thought were some pretty cool original figures

It was the first transformers show I watched and the most I can remember is that I liked hot shot and starscream

>>89537937
I watched Beast Wars back when I was in kindergarten, so watching this in middle school was weird. I remember watching it mostly out of some nostalgia for BW (10-year-old being nostalgic for stuff I watched when I was 5, I know).

>>89537937
Wasn't this just a mediocre anime set in the Transformers universe?

>>89543979
Yeah. Transformers and anime have always been a bad mix. Headmasters is boring and only made watchable thanks to a wacky and nonsensical dub from Singapore. Beast Wars II is only remembered for the Mexican stereotype Maximals in sombreros. And the less said about Energon, the better.

>>89543979
There is no one Transformers universe. By the time Armada came out, there had been 5 major TF universes already. Armada was another Transformers anime, not a "anime set in the TF universe" . That makes it sound like a side-story.

>>89542434
Issues get storytimed when they come out, it's your prerogative to seek it out afterwards if you want to read it. Despite appearances to the contrary, /co/ is not a comic library.
https://mega.nz/#F!Ax4nUCCT!_5vN--HYA1R6ahJUNcx-wQ

>>89544108
Not the guy who asked but this is awesome, thank you! Anyone got that pic with the IDW reading order?

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>>89544380
Bookmark the guide update link so you won't have to ask again.

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>>89542531
>Starscream's shot doesn't even reach Unicron before he's disintegrated
Why did you have to remind me anon...
https://youtu.be/joyzV_-5Sno

>>89544380
Here you go.

>>89544395
>January 18, 2017
Come on now.

>>89537937
I always thought it was anime.

>>89544414
Huh, I must of forgotten to update it last week. I guess I'll replace it with the one from >>89544394.

>>89542434
Dont Worried maybe one day.

>>89538448
>>89537937
Was this the one with an anime guy with a bike as MC? And some stationary abomination that could change between multiple faces?

What is the best Japanese intro song and why is it BWII's second OP behind Animated's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC16N6xxaZ4
>>89544453
No that was the sequel, Energon/Superlink

>>89539453

No, Starscream remarked he LOOKED like Thundercracker after his paint job was changed from red to blue (Thundercracker himself was never seen in Armada, but apparently he was a blue Seeker).

But yes, Cybertron had a Thundercracker, but he had a completely different body mod than Starscream had in either that series or Armada.

>>89544394
>>89544395
I'm not any of the guys before, but thanks! I've starting reading MTMTE, good to know how the other lines fall in the timeline.

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>>89544468
I'm so glad Gimlet is in the comics

>>89544524
Is this from a new comic or wreck gar one?

>>89544629
The Wreck-Gar ones are the new ones, and yes. This is from Optimus Prime #1

>>89537937
The final episodes of Armada were hype. Loved the shit out of them when I saw them on TV. Energon was pure garbage, never saw Cybertron because I still had PTSD from Energon.

Beast Machines was an awful sequel, but it was a good series on its own. Energon was an awful sequel, but it was an awful everything else too.

>>89544919
>never saw Cybertron because I still had PTSD from Energon.
Cybertron was great if you like hotblooded robot anime, and was full of fun lore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whsKhNmMLto
>Beast Machines was an awful sequel, but it was a good series on its own.
Ugh, no. A lot of the episodes blended together because they were all about running away.
>Energon was an awful sequel, but it was an awful everything else too.
Amazingly, it's been beat out by Combiner Wars as the worst TF cartoon in some people's eyes, including mine.

>>89545021
>Cybertron was great

Demonstrably untrue.

Unless you enjoy robots that can only emote at the level of ventriloquist dummies and STOCK FOOTAGE STOCK FOOTAGE STOCK FOOTAGE.

That last part was so fucking bad, the dub had the characters engage in lengthy conversations just to keep the audience engaged in the 2-3 minutes of stock footage per episode.

Cybertron is as unwatchable as Energon ever was, just for different reasons.

>>89545021
Admittedly Beast Machines would be a lot better if they cut out all the running away. They wanted it to be an 'epic novel', which meant that some chapters didn't fill 20 minutes, so we ended up with running away bullshit to fill the time.

>>89545081
>not liking repeated stock footage in hotblooded robot shows

>>89545128

There was NOT fucking hotblooded about any of the Transformers animes unless you have a neural disorder that makes your brain pump adrenaline everytime badly written rambling starts being spoken by the stiff puppets the show called characters.

>>89537937
It's not that good.

Energon is slightly worse.

Cybertron is...excuse me for a moment. I need to unleash some steam.

>>89545128

A Transformers cartoon made in 2006 had tremendously worse CG robots than a Transformers show made in 1997.

Fuckin wut.

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>>89541378
>Plus you've got to remember, there had never been vehicle Transformers that had Beast Wars levels of posability (other than the Cyberjets,) so they were breaking a lot of new ground.

Just the year before we where getting Car Robots/Robots in Disguise. And before that, we had articulated vehicleformers in beast Machines. Getting Armada Optimus after this was released(and cheaper) was fucking bullshit.

>>89545155

CG animation has never been a strong suit of the Japanese animation industry.

Even the CG models otakus praise, like the loli spider robots in Ghost in the Shell, still actually look like shit when held to a Western standard.

>>89545128
That sort of gratuitous use of stock footage montages and shit is usually associated with anime, up until RID TF has always been a primarily Western franchise in terms of it's fiction so I don't find it too surprising many fans reject the style of the anime era shows

>>89545155
I thought the Japanese were supposed to be good with their media? How is it that Beast Wars managed to be an amazing show with mediocre animation (which was the forefront of cg in its time), yet Cybertron comes along nearly a decade later with even worse animation and a worse plot?

That said the Japanese completely ruined Beast Wars with their dub there, so I shouldn't be that surprised.

>>89545194
RID wasn't the pinnacle of storytelling either, but it was literally distance from one edge of the universe to the other ahead of the likes of Energon.

>>89545194
The RID toyline (or at least the toys that were original designs) were basically using all the advancements to toys made in Beast Wars/Machines with vehicle alt modes, so I have no idea what that anon is talking about unless they simply forgot it existed

>>89545021
>Ugh, no. A lot of the episodes blended together because they were all about running away.

I don't remember much running away past the first few episodes of the series. I still think its a much more solid series than people give it credit for; unfortunately most TF fans have a very narrow minded view of what a TF series should be, so we'll just have regurgitations of G1 remixed over and over again.

>>89545243
Unfortunately some of the toys took more cues from Beast Wars Neo than they did from Beast Wars, particularly Sideburn, where I think literally a single part of the car (if that) actually has a use in his robot mode.

>>89545215
Because sometimes in Western animation, even merch/toyetic shows sometimes get treated with some level of passion and care to make quality fiction....in Japan things "for kids" are usually the most inane shallow bullshit ever where often the plot literally comes down to "BUY MORE TOYS", something ironically criticized about any Western show with toys even if it's not the case at all

>>89545215
>I thought the Japanese were supposed to be good with their media?

There's good Japanese media, and bad Japanese media, same as any other. There's good anime, but Japanese TF anime is usually aimed at very young kids since the audience for TFs isn't very large over there. The audience is mostly older fans(who prefer the older stuff) and young kids interested in the toy aspect.

Remember the time Japan decided not to air season three of Prime and instead released a magazine-exclusive series on DVD where Optimus Prime was a bullet train/dragon triplechanger that could combine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLH5ibwnOh4

>>89545141
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Burning_justice

>>89545248
I watched it again recently, there is A LOT of running away. There's only like, three noteworthy episodes, tops.

>>89541348
I feel this would require a beefy computer to run in PCSX2

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>>89545258
The Autobot brothers some people hate and I get why, I actually didn't mind them myself but I certainly understand the flack they get for all the kibble and car parts and whatnot, but some other toys worked out quite well for the time they were released at adapting the Beast era engineering with G1 type aesthetics

That being said, RID as a whole was a mess...I enjoyed the toyline but it blended so many dramatically different aesthetics into one series

>>89545288
>>89545282
I watch a show called Himitsu no Cocotama, which is pretty obviously aimed at young children and also exists to sell a toyline, but that show manages to be good, not infrequently pulling heavy feels, the likes of which I have yet to find in other media, out of what is otherwise a comedy series. That said, when it has a new toy to promote it does have a tendency to do away with story completely and boil down to cgi shots of the characters playing on the playset, basically screaming 'buy the toy' in your eardrums. Fortunately most episodes aren't like that.

I guess it just comes down to which studio gets the rights to the show and how in a hurry they are to get their TGIF sake.

>>89545325
I was happy to get Ruination out of it, having been born during the 90's I missed the original toy, and was too young to be collecting Transformers during G2.

>>89541378
People seem to forget about RiD coming out in between Beast Machines and Armada and that some of the original designs in the line were about the most complicated the franchise had seen at that point.

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>>89545342
hey guess who just got redone in Japanese Combiner Wars

>>89545258
I actually like Sideburn a lot. Kibbly, sure, but articulated as fuck, and an amazingly detailed vehicle mode.I'd say he's higher quality than anything you can get in stores today. I like how he feels like a then modern mecha design from 2000.I wonder how TFs would look if designed by some of the bigger name Japanese mecha designers instead of sticking to the general G1 aesthetics of Bayformers look.

>>89545392
Then you get the whole of Masterforce and Victory along with Transformers Go!

>>89541233
I spend HOURS playing with it. It was my fav character

>>89545376
>it's one of the $159 exclusives

Good thing I still have the original toy. I would consider buying it if I had the monetary reserves of Scrooge McDuck or the like though.

>>89545215

In Japan, Transformers is aimed at a MUCH younger demographic than in the West.

For giant robot shows, Transformers is mostly it in the US, but there's a glut of those sorts of shows in Japan, so Transformers found its niche as being the giant robot show for little, little kids.

Hence why their domestic Transformers shows tend to be much more juvenile than those that originate in America. Their dubs of American Transformers cartoons also cut them down 4Kids-style, turning each series into a comedy-driven self-parody. And starting with Animated, every Japanese dub of an American Transformers show has included a "corner program" at the end where live-action hosts teach kids how to transform and play with their toys, because Transformers is strictly for babies in Japan.

So if you ever wonder why Transformers anime always seem to be lazy, dumb and boring, now you have your answer.

>>89545432
That's pre-2000, though, and Go! is in-house Takara. I mean modern, 2017 designs.

>>89545485
and also giving them SICK JAMS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYO62UntOyQ

>>89537937
I hate to burst your bubble, but Armada, Energon and Cybertron are all garbage. So's G1. Only good TF shows are Beasts Wars, Robots in Disguise, Prime, and Animated.

>>89545573
>Opinions
>Having the wrong opinion that Rescue Bots isn't good

>>89545485
>because Transformers is strictly for babies in Japan.

Is that why the Japanese dub of G1 had a narrator that described everything happening on screen, every second, like it was a storybook?

https://youtu.be/w5I4xr9Zu78

I mean, were the plots of the G1 cartoon really THAT hard to follow for Japanese kids?

>>89545573
AEC were varying degrees of garbage though. Armada was garbage, but it was high-end garbage that was watchable. Energon was rotting garbage, the kind that smells like a rhinoceros' asshole and is crawling with maggots, while Cybertron is just generic garbage.

>>89545579
Rescue Bots is kind of a fun watch,but the people obsessing over it and actually writing wiki articles on it are the creepiest part of the franchise.

>>89545579
You know what, I completely forgot, and you are correct. Rescue Bots is decent

>>89545592
YOU SAID THE MAGIC WORD
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Kiss_Players_(franchise)

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God damn RID magnus was a huge asshole in the first few episodes.

>>89545592
>writing an article about transformers material on a transformers wiki is creepy
shit son if you think something as benign as that is creepy you better not visit the Homestar Runner wiki

>>89545624
>"Toransoformersu is for babiesu"
>"let's write a series about kissing and getting into female characters' pantsu"

Fucking make your minds up Japan.

>>89545628
Reminder that there's a canon alternate RID universe where Optimus and Scourge are girls

>>89545654
Hot

>>89545643
If you actually read the thread you'd know there's two MOs for TFs in Japan: babby and adult collectors

>>89545662
They also got shrunk down to Spychanger size if that turns you on further

>>89545624
I know that exists. Kiss Players is at least a reasonable thing for an adult male to be interested in(b-but lolis are baaad!; blow me, Helen Lovejoy, this is 4chan). Watching Rescue Bots is literally sitting in front of a show meant for 3 years olds to watch while drooling on an Optimus Prime toy.

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>>89545643

>>89545708
>Watching Rescue Bots is literally sitting in front of a show meant for 3 years olds to watch while drooling on an Optimus Prime toy.
That doesn't mean it can't be, you know, good. Which it is.

Get over yourself.

>>89545713
...ow

OW.

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>>89545786

>>89545643

When the West wants to make Transformers media for adult fans, we get the cerebral IDW comics.

When the Japanese want to make Transformers media for adult fans, they get the borderline kiddy porn Kiss Players.

Truly, we are from different worlds.

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>>89545713
They've got the hologram girl from RID there, and she's been wearing this for the past however-many-issues, but it's been about 2 years now based on when they put the file on the wiki.

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>>89545821
We even got this in the comic that came with their Titans Return Ravage.

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>>89545842
And here's the only figure they ever made of her.

>>89545821
>but it's been about 2 years now based on when they put the file on the wiki.

You DO realize that TFWiki.net is mostly a repository for fanfiction from AllSpark Forums posters and NOT a reliable source of factual info, right? You DO know that, don't you?

>>89545863
Of course, but I'm going by the date of the image upload, not any information in the actual article.

>>89545863
No it's not.

>>89545583
>https://youtu.be/w5I4xr9Zu78 [Embed]


Aaaagggghhhhhhh Shut Up Shut Up Shut Up Shut Up SHUT UP!!!

>>89545888
You can get banned from Tfwiki for replacing jokes with facts.

>>89545888

Willis/Walky and M Sipher put a ban on all Ask Vector Prime facebook fiction because it was merging GoBots canon with Transformers canon and "NOT MUH TRANSFORMERS!"

The admins regularly alter or omit details if it disagrees with their headcanon or if they just plain ole don't like it. It's not a good resource for anything.

>>89546016
>The admins regularly alter or omit details if it disagrees with their headcanon or if they just plain ole don't like it.

Like when Hot Shot and Shattered Glass Ravage, Walky's two favorite characters, were included in a pile of corpses in an IDW comic. Walky got so pissed he had the Wiki designate them as completely different characters than the ones they were supposed to be as a retaliatory measure against the writer.

The TFWIKI has pretty much always been a place for Walky and his crew to stroke their egos and pretend their ideas are official.

I think, when it comes to transformers, a show should be remembered for what it adds.

Armada gave us mini-cons.
Their version of Hot Shot is probably the base version of the character.
All the rest of the more memorable characters from the show were from the Decepticon side.

>>89545985
Because you're putting them in the wrong place, in picture captions. There's nothing stopping you from simply ADDING facts to articles.
>>89546016
>Willis/Walky and M Sipher put a ban on all Ask Vector Prime facebook fiction
except they didn't, i can still see it
>because it was merging GoBots canon with Transformers canon and "NOT MUH TRANSFORMERS!"
there's a gobots sister wiki for that

>>89546016
>Willis/Walky and M Sipher put a ban on all Ask Vector Prime facebook fiction because it was merging GoBots canon with Transformers canon and "NOT MUH TRANSFORMERS!"

Willis actually threatened to pull the plug and shut down the whole wiki over the Vector Prime Go-Bots stuff, he was that butthurt about it.

>>89546051
You exaggerate. Walky simply assigned the Hot Shot cameo as a G1 version of Hot Shot, and GG Ravage as the toy SG Ravage was based off of. Taken entirely at face value, and with Death of Author, anyone would do the same.

>>89546016
To be fair, all this bullshit over Go-Bots is fucking stupid. The show ended a decade before I was born,old people need to let it go, is forgotten and dead.

I don't try and cross over Dinozaurs with Beast wars simply because it was a contemporary Bandai toyline when BW was out when I was a kid. Hasbro doesn't even have the right to use the Gobots designs because Bandai is the one who made the original toys.

I remember loving the outro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ags-AmerNak

>>89545708
If you think Kiss Players is less creepy than Rescue Bots, you have issues my man

Yes, being into lolis makes you the creep of all creeps, being able to enjoy something competently made albeit made for children only makes you creepy to try hards who probably still think violence = maturity

Also, sexual undertrones in Transformers is also very creepy regardless of who it's aimed at

>>89540711
And the show would've been much more bearable if it were done completely in 2D.

To me it's one of those "I think it's really bad but I love it anyway" shows. Didn't catch Energon (thank God) and used to like Cybertron but I'm not too keen on it these days. The Armada PS2 game was underrated and great though.

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>>89546089

>>89546145

The problem/hilarious part was just how PERSONALLY Willis and Sipher took the VP GoBots stuff.

They interpreted it as a direct assault on them and responded with the indignity of a 6 year-old.

When fiction doesn't fit neatly into the rigid categories of the TFWiki, the admins flail about like they have no idea what to do and get really, really angry.

>>89546444
Autism is a hell of a drug

>>89539380
I remember an episode where he betrayed Megatron, strapped on a race car minicon, and went rogue. Either they didn't follow up on that or CN didn't air the continuing episode. I always found it weird that the show treated that episode as non-canon.

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>>89542454
>Astrotrain talking to his "train army"

Made me bust a gut.

>>89540200
I never figured it out msyelf.

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I'd love to see a Transformers cartoon where Optimus's trailer has its own robot form, and the name Optimus Prime refers to the combined form specifically.

I liked Hotshot's figure that had a visor you could pull down, and I liked the the bike, skateboard and scooter that combined into a robot.

>>89542261
Tom Kenny's Starscream in Animated was pretty good.

>That episode of G1 where the Autobots fought an actual fucking dragon

What did they mean by this?

>>89549737
>BW Megatron's dragon mode has a DNA source

>>89551062

Beast Wars is not a sequel to the G1 cartoon, it is a sequel to the Marvel G2 comic book.

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>>89551080
It's a sequel to its own unique off-screen blended version of G1. Which apparently had dragons.
>>89548044
Well there is God Bomber, which is kinda close.

>>89551146
>It's a sequel to its own unique off-screen blended version of G1.

No it's a sequel to the Marvel G2 comic. The writer confirmed the Vok are the Swarm. This has been common knowledge since the att forum days of the late 90s.

>>89551166
>The writer confirmed the Vok are the Swarm.
1: Just because a writer says something doesn't make it canon. It has to actually appear IN canon.
2: The Vok being the Swarm does not, in any way, restrict BW to being a G2 sequel and not it's own blend of G1.
3: You're forgetting about Starscream.

>>89551316
>Just because a writer says something doesn't make it canon

I trust the writer to dictate canon more than a fanboy on a forum. The writer says Beast Wars is a sequel to the G2 comic. The writer is correct. It is a sequel to the G2 comic.

>>89551344
>The writer says Beast Wars is a sequel to the G2 comic. The writer is correct. It is a sequel to the G2 comic.
I want proof of wording that is as exact and precise as your statement. Go on, I'll wait.

Also, you know, you're still forgetting about Starscream.

>>89551166
It's been common knowledge since the 90s that Beast Wars takes stuff from both the cartoon and the comics.

>>89551371

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Swarm_(G2)

Also Starscream died several times in the Marvel comic; his being dead is not exclusive to the G1 cartoon. The Swarm are exclusive to the G2 comic. Beast Wars is a sequel to the G2 comic. This has been accepted for decades.

>>89551433

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Vok

Bob Forward said it was a sequel to G2. You are wrong.

>>89551433
- That's not what I asked for and is not proof at all.
- HOW he died lines up with the cartoon.

>>89551505

-Read the link
-The events of The Movie happened in the Marvel comics. There was even an adaptation.

You are wrong.

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Wish they could have done more with this guy

>>89546016
Any Transformers fan who still has a grudge against GoBots is not a Transformers fan.

Hasbro owns the rights. GoBots are Transformers now. It's time to get over it.

>>89545485
Transformers in Japan is so weird, and I kind of wonder what the cultural differences are that lead to it. Like in the US, Transformers is a space opera starring giant living robots, but in Japan they're gag shows. I've heard some people say it's due to Japan trying to apply Super Robot tropes to Transformers, but I really don't know why the two countries interpret the same franchise so differently.

>>89545583
I dunno, narrators are a thing I've noticed in a lot of older Japanese media. The Brave cartoons do it a lot.

>>89551530
I did read it. It seems you didn't, though, because you missed all the "this doesn't fit" and "this never actually appeared anywhere in canon" bits. And it still does not provide me with a direct and precise statement that BW is a sequel to G2 and nothing else.

Try again. No, really, I'd love to learn something new. Try again, but actually PROVE it.

>>89551796

Bob Forward said the Vok are the Swarm. The Vok appear only in the G2 comics. All other elements you associate strictly with the G1 cartoon have appeared in some form in the Marvel comics. Beast Wars is a sequel to the G2 comics.

This has been established and accepted fact since the att forum days of the late 90s. Perhaps you are young and just getting into Transformers which is why you do not know this.

>>89551684
>Hasbro owns the rights. GoBots are Transformers now. It's time to get over it.

Correction; they own the name, and arguably the characters, but not the actual designs for the characters. thats still bandai's.

>>89551166
>>89551344
This is really surprising to me because I've watched interviews with the Beast Wars writers. They weren't Transformers fans when they started and alluding to vague shit like "the Great War" just happened to work out when they became better acquainted with Tf lore.
When they started they didn't even know if they were actually going to have the cartoon take place on Earth and put up two moons just because. Knowing they would have to get creative later if a higher up decided they were in fact on Earth.

>>89551684
>>89551889

The "Ew, icky Go-Bots keep em away from my Transformers!" thing seems to only afflict the REALLY OLD members of the Transformers fandom. The ones that posted on ATT or whatever back in 1998 and came up with shit like "trukk not munkee" and "RIRFIB/FIBRIR".

They're the only ones who absolutely positively cannot seem to let it go that Go-Bots have been merged with Transformers canon. Unfortunately, it's those "old guard" types like Willis and Sipher who run the TFWiki. So they get to decide that Go-Bots "don't count" and keep their coverage on the wiki as minimal as possible even when it's coming directly from an officially licensed Transformers media source.

They're probably autistic.

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>>89537937
RiD2000, Armada, Energon, and Cybertron were the GOATS. All of the combinations were hype as fuck.

>>89551883
>This has been established and accepted fact since the att forum days of the late 90s.
Except it hasn't. It really hasn't. It really, actually, truly hasn't. Beast Wars being a fusion of comics and cartoon has always been the assumption. Because: there is no established fact. If there were, you'd be able to finally PROVE it to me by giving me an indisputable quote or piece evidence that without question places the show after the G2 comics and nothing else. You keep repeating the same things over and over again without ever giving any proof. You have no more moves to make. You have lost this.

>Perhaps you are young and just getting into Transformers which is why you do not know this.
Christ, even if you were right, you need to get over yourself.

>>89552153
>assumption.

You are operating under assumption which is why you are wrong. Bob Forward the writer has said that the Vok are the Swarm. All elements included in Beast Wars are taken from the Marvel comics and there are no G1 cartoon exclusive elements. You are wrong.

>>89552109
I loved Omega Prime fusion https://youtu.be/_ghJVoOdwWg

>>89552384
>Bob Forward the writer has said that the Vok are the Swarm.
Where.
When.
Citation needed.

>>89551985
>seems to only afflict the REALLY OLD members of the Transformers fandom. The ones that posted on ATT or whatever back in 1998 and came up with shit like "trukk not munkee" and "RIRFIB/FIBRIR".

Speaking of autistic old att forum posters who think that whatever shit they "established" back in 98 is indisputable fact, please see THIS autist:

>>89551530
>>89551459
>>89551433
>>89551405
>>89551166
>>89552384
>>89551883

These "old guard" types are the fucking worst and why the TFWiki community is so unbearable.

>>89552457
It would help if you didn't burn with projected anger at the thought of people not liking thing.

>>89552457
Agreed. But the young blood coming into the fandom isn't much better.

>>89545324
>PCSX2
Agreed anon.

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Were they retarded?

>>89554494
Skybite was based.

Primax 984.17 Alpha — The Transformers cartoon.
Primax 496.22 Alpha — the Beast Wars cartoon.
Primax 984.0 Gamma — the U.S. Marvel The Transformers comic.
Primax 984.20 Gamma — the UK Marvel The Transformers comic.

The Beast Wars cartoon officially and canonically takes place in a separate universe from the Marvel comics and the G1 cartoon. You can check the wiki for links to primary sources.

>>89554517
Anything that uses the phrase "Primax" is AVP shit and should be ignored.

>>89554924
Sure thing, Siph.

>>89554924
Too bad for you that it's official fiction and has been used outside of AVP.

>>89546250
>Also, sexual undertrones in Transformers is also very creepy regardless of who it's aimed at

If only IDW would get that message and we could go back to giant robots murdering each other in space, but nope, it's all gay robots trying to clang clang in the exhaust ports all day.

>>89552457
>>89554517

kek, actually caring about continuity in Transformers. They can NEVER keep it straight past whatever show is running. The comics couldn't, BW/BM couldn't, the Unicron Trilogy couldn't, the movies couldn't, the Alligned Continuity failed hardcore despite specifically being made to change that....Just stop giving a fuck, this shit is more fucked then the Zelda 'timeline' is.

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Say what you will about Cybertron's story, but you gotta admit that the "firetruck on steroids" that is Cybertron's Optimus Prime looked fantastic, especially in his super mode.

>>89556786
Not a fan of the regular mode's visible mouth, but I will agree with you on the super mode.

>>89556786

Fuck man, this just reminds me of how much I miss the Brave series. Galaxy Force felt like the last real hurrah of that, even if it was Transformers.

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>>89556786
Cybertron is GOAT for me along with Beast Wars. Needs more Garry Chalk.

>>89539595
Literally all of those "moments" except for the second one are just stuff that existed because of the toyline tho, not because of any creativity on the showmakers' part. Yes, even Sideways' betrayal - his toy's whole gimmick was that he had an Autobot and Decepticon face.

>>89560238
...so?

>>89542716
>Hot Shot was conceptualized as "Bumblebee" and even had the name on production material, but Hasbro couldn't get at trademark on the name Bumblebee at the time so they renamed him Hot Shot.
Actually, he was supposed to be named Hot Rod, hence his paint job change mid-way through the series. He even went by that in Japan.

>>89542760
>a bio that was made up almost a decade later specifically because some Hasbro writer wanted to make up for Overload getting zero (0) characterization in any media before that
Uh-huh

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>>89537937
I really can't tell the difference between most Transformers shows.

I remember the one where Optimus was a gorilla with a rhino friend, and that they ended up in Cybertron where a transformer bat lived.

I remember one where Megatron was a 2 headed dragon, and he had a shark predacon as a minion.


And I remember one where autobots and deceptions had to hint down minicons around the world. The small transformers connected to them and made them more powerful.


What is the name of these shows? Can somebody help me remember?

>>89560468
m8 i just posted that for a giggle because the bio makes fun of overload's lack of character

you don't have to fire off on all cylinders at every little perceived slight or failing, chill out for a spell and enjoy some life

>>89560637
Beast Wars and its sequel, Beast Machines
Robots in Disguise (2001)
Armada

>>89560688
Thanks mate.

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Here's a rare one: who here have watched all 4 episodes of Go-Bots? You know, the proto-Rescue Bot Transformers series?

Got better as it went on. Fuck Energon though.

And Sideways really needs a new toy.

>>89545081
>That last part was so fucking bad, the dub had the characters engage in lengthy conversations just to keep the audience engaged in the 2-3 minutes of stock footage per episode.
That's the main reason why I think more people defend Cybertron than lay into it - it was dubbed by the same cast but a different production company/voice director, so the VAs don't sound like they're dead on the inside, and the dialogue was, as you said, liberally rewrote to be punchier.

That said, I still saw Galaxy Force when it was being subbed cuz there were too many weeaboos screaming "Superlink was good, it's just the bad dubbing that ruinted it!" It... had its moments, but it was mostly just really slow and ponderous.

>Thundercracker the Cable Guy

Way to date yourselves, guys.

Still enjoyed Cybertron the most out of the three.

>>89560921
Cool

>>89545194
Honestly, that prime design was pretty ugly.

>>89541348
I got this game for christmas, and jak 3. Good times.

>>89551166
Nice triple-dubs, but while Forward may say one thing, Larry DiTillio says another. Ultimately neither of them could agree on what the Vok's origins should be, so they ultimately decided to leave it unspecified. They're just weird, inscrutable aliens

>>89545821
>>89545842
>>89545860
Why would a holographic avatar need to bathe?
I'm only semi-complaining though... she is quite cute...

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>>89551433
>Also Starscream died several times in the Marvel comic; his being dead is not exclusive to the G1 cartoon.
No, but him being a FUCKING GHOST is you fuck.

I really don't get why you oldguard ATT types have as big a hard-on for the Marvel comics as you have a hate-on for the cartoon, as though BW being a sequel to the latter would somehow "sully" it. The comics were full of kiddy, goofy-ass shit too

But then I'm the kinda guy who's man enough to admit that Beast Machines is also canon, whether you like it or not, and that references G1 cartoon elements exclusively and extensively

>>89561158
tbf that was probably written back in '07

>>89549737
A handful of Autobots and Decepticonsgot sent back in time. While trying to make their way back home, they encounter a dragon. The wizard guiding them took care of the dragon using "dragonsbane", a.k.a. primitive gunpowder.

>>89565476
>The wizard guiding them took care of the dragon using "dragonsbane", a.k.a. primitive gunpowder.
I thought that was weirdly interesting, like dragons actually exist, but this wizard is really just a genius out of time who invented gunpowder AND time travel So it's still a purely sci-fi universe, not fantasy... except for the actual dragons.

>>89565415
She's real in the Legends universe, and the AI from RID was also based on a person in their G1 fiction.

>>89565432
>I really don't get why you oldguard ATT types have as big a hard-on for the Marvel comics as you have a hate-on for the cartoon,

Used to post on sites like TF Archive and Seibertron back in the early 2000s and I remember that being the overwhelming attitude. It wasn't enough to just prefer the Marvel comics, you had to HATE the cartoon, too.

I guess because the forum posters at the time were still relatively young (they're in their mid 30s now) and so they felt insecure about liking a kids property. But by pointing to the SUPER MATURE comics as their preference, they could bypass any scrutiny.

Now, it seems more like a relic of the early TF forum and fandom days. Everyone seems secure enough now to say they enjoy the 80s cartoon and the comics equally. It only seems to be a handful of lingering ATT and TF Archive autists who can't let it go.

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>>89545282
I've recently been watching the first Pretty Cure series. It was clearly developed to sell toys, and is aimed at elementary school girls, but it's also a well-made show and in no way corresponds to the "toy commercial" bogeyman that Westerners like to shit themselves over in panic. There's frequently good cinematography and animation, and the fight scenes tend to emphasize low angles and foreshortening, which is harder to animate. And some of the music in the franchise is really exceptional:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKGAq-2X3SM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sOULmKUhFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAhbCqj3Opc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJk0BcSB3kU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syI_Ts7rkE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmGFgRwFoAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4D-CqEjwwg

If Japan had this attitude that things for kids don't have to be any good and can be half-assed because kids won't care, then anime as we know it wouldn't even exist.

I remember watching it on CN and thinking it was boring as shit. Felt more like your typical anime mecha show than transformers, with each main robot having their own human sidekick.

And a redeemed good-guy Starscream who sacrifices himself to save humans and autobots? What bullshit, like a 14 year old girl's shitty fanfic.

Being as good as the original show does not say much imo, because what kind of 'good' are we talking about here?. G1 is a fun watch as an adult today because it was made in the 80's, which entrails all of the 80's Saturday morning cartoon stupidity and bizarre-ness you could imagine, and for the time it came out, it had some fairly 'mature' themes (war, corruption, tyranny) and memorable characters.

So in short, G1 was good for the time it came out, and fun nowadays also because of the time it came out+ nostalgia, not because is has great writing or animation by today's standards.

>>89570691
Starscream betrays the Autobots and returns to the Decepticons with some of thier Mini-Cons. He sacrifices himself so Megatron will work with Optimus Prime to fight Unicron and save Cybertron, not just the Autobots and humans.

>>89570485

Fuck off back to the Allspark Forums, Andrusi.

>>89570774
Oh well, I can't claim I remember it very well,.but any self-sacrificing Starscream is a fanfic-tier Starscream to me. .

>>89570809
You can watch G1 on repeat if you want the same things over and over again.

>>89570841
i don't, that still don't mean I didn't think Armada was boring as hell.

There's plenty of material on FF.net if you want OOC material and human/robot love stories.

>>89570918
How is it OOC if it's a different character? Armada Starscream and G1 Starscream are not the same person.

>>89570796
Hoi poli, don't bring your forum drama here.

>>89570938
Granted, but that could go for literally any transformers related media where people don't enjoy the character interpretations, like Murder Prime in the bay-flicks.

Why slap the name of a well known character with clear goals and characterization, onto another character that sort of looks like them, but is completely different? Apart from selling toys of course.

>>89571080
Armada Starscream is the Decepticon second-in-command who turns into a fighter jet. He has aspirations of power and seeks to overthrow his leader, Megatron, who he feels is not fit to lead the Deceptions.

>>89571108
You forgot the part where he has a change of heart and becomes necklace bff's with a human girl.

>>89571228
That doesn't negate what I said.

>>89570796
Are you saying Pretty Cure is a topic that only one specific person that you know would talk about? Are you off your meds?

>>89571108
>>89570938
So first you say it's a different character with the same name which makes it not OOC, then you say it IS the same character.
So what is it?

It's fine if you like the show and interpenetration, I'm just saying I did not and I consider good-guy/redeemed Starscream a shitty fanfic-esque plot point.

>>89546703
but it was canon

he tries to kill him, then defects to the autobots, and after helping them do an assault on the decepticons, begins to kinda enjoy being with them more, even though he tends to dislike how the autobots go about their business. He has a good little motivational speech to a mini-con that he wants to come with them in the heat of battle, that very much mirrored his own emotions and inner conflict somewhat. It ends up with Starscream being talked into betraying the autobots by Sideways/thrust (can't remember which one), steals the Shield and Star Saber, bringing them to megatron, whom becomes not-really-convinced that it was all a plan of Thrust/sideways

>>89571228

What's with you old generation faggots and fanfiction? It's all I ever hear from you this is fanfiction, that is fanfiction, everything is fanfiction.

Fuck off already it's a new universe with a new set of rules. Everything is fanfiction. Literally everything that is made but it's writen by Bob Budiansky is fanfiction in the same way every Batman story not written Kane & Finger is fanfiction.

Fuck off to tfw2005 and cry because some nerd are wrong for thinking that Cyclonus isn't Skywarp or whatever.

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>>89571481
That's not what I said at all. I said the two Starscreams have SIMILAR characters, enough to be considered Starscreams and not a wildly different character misusing the name, but they are still DIFFERENT characters, with different histories and thus not OOC.

Keep up.

>>89571608
You do know when people compare something to fanfiction, they just mean it comes across as if some teenager with little grasp on characterization wrote it?

What is the best TF animated show in /co/'s opinion?

>>89571790
Beast War, Animated, and Prime are the common answers.
Personally I'd drop Prime from the rankings, its 2nd and 3rd seasons really hurt it overall.

>>89571790
for humor, G1 and G2 takes the cake for me.

otherwise, I tend to prefer Prime. beast wars is a damm close second, though.

>>89571835
Prime has superior animation though.

>>89539380
Am I remembering wrong or was Starscream in Armada actually an honorable warrior? Like he'd rather challenge Megatron head on than stab him in the back, either literally or metaphorically, and because of that was actually good at combat?

>>89571867
Regularly yes, but it seemed a bit wary on actually visually damaging the characters, save for a few exceptions.

>>89571855
G2 was just G1 repackaged.

All I remember about Armada was being a kid, watching it, and wanting the humans to fuck off somewhere so we could get more giant robot stuff instead.

>>89571867
>CGI show made in 2011 has better animation than one of the first few CGI shows ever and a show that had its animation budget strangled by Cartoon Network
wow really? any other nuggets of wisdom you want to drop on us?

>>89571972
Uh, what? I know why it has better animation than previous shows. Doesn't make it not true and one of the reasons people rank it high.

>>89542261
>and maybe the Unicron trilogy.

I'd rather the Starscreams in the three shows be counted separately. He was pretty shit in Energon, never saw Cybertron so don't know if he was even in that, but then again so was everyone.

>>89571972
Really sucks ass. No new fans want to watch BW because of the (now) shitty looking CGI. It was revolutionary for its time.

>>89572017
then why are you bringing it up? Anon asked for best TF animated show, not the best animation in TF shows.

>>89571790

Animated > Beast Wars > Beast Machines

I'd rank Prime but it's so mind numbilngly boring after the first like 5 episodes that I have a hard time even remembering what happened in the series.

>>89571929
>that fat kid that only talks about food and what he's about to eat.

I'm not even joking there is not a single sentence in the entire 50+ episode run of the series where says ANYTHING not food related.

>>89572060
Anons look for different things in their shows. For some animation quality is the main reason to pick something up over the other.

>>89572130
Then they should specify. That anon didn't.

>>89572121
Humans are cancer in any TF related media.

2076314330 blow it up homies

>>89572162
There are plenty of humans I enjoyed.

>>89572162

Not really the problem is that humans aren't written like humans. The ROBOTS are written as humans while the humans are written like literal drooling retards. That's the problem.

A competently written human cast wouldn't annoy anyone except the HURR ROBOT ONLY REEEEE faggots.

>>89545485
>In Japan, Transformers is aimed at a MUCH younger demographic than in the West.

Doesn't some of the Transformers series that never left Japan have some shit that'd be considered too dark in the west? I've only heard about them but doesn't one have the big bad be a giant space fetus that's actually Satan or something?

>>89545573
>Robots in Disguise

Aren't there like, four series with this name?

>>89572225
Absolutely not true, since what what people consider competently written varies based on personal opinion. Was Jack well written, a reluctant hero or just boring? Was Raf a believable kid who gets an awesome robot buddy or a walking plot device? Was Miko amusing or just annoying? Is Sari just pedo fapbait?

Not to mention how well a character is written varies from episode to episode depending on who is writing or what there are for the humans to do.

>>89546145
This reminds me, isn't Zoids considered part of the Transformers multiverse, as in it was mentioned by a Transformers character when talking about other universe? I remember reading that somewhere but I wouldn't be surprised if it was bullshit or it never happened in the first place, wouldn't be the first time I remembered something that didn't happen.

>>89572453
>This reminds me, isn't Zoids considered part of the Transformers multiverse,

Zoids is owned by Tomy, which merged with Takara, so maybe?

Robotix is considered an alternate universe version of Transformers, now, much like Go-Bots. But who the fuck remember Robotix.

>>89572321

You mean Devil Z from Masterforce?

Masterforce is kind of an anomoly; it actually IS trying really damn hard to be something intelligent and complex. However, it does so by distancing itself so far from Transformers that it becomes a show about human-piloted mecha with continuity that so seldom references what came before it that it almost feels like an alternate universe.

And most of the important story elements in the show that allow it to make sense, like wtf Devil Z is, where it came from, where the transtectors came from, why any of this shit is even fucking HAPPENING.... isn't in the show itself. They had to clean that up with direct to video clip shows.

Masterforce gets an A for effort, but it's too damn incoherent and incompetent in the worst of places.

>>89553352
>just enjoy the media, shows, comics, whatever have you
>don't pay attention to the fandom at all

Old guard or young blood makes no difference because this is the best.

Major continuity families:

At this time, there are six primary continuity families in the Transformers multiverse. These are:

Generation 1 / Beast Era (the "Primax Cluster" according to the TransTech)

Robots in Disguise ("Viron Cluster")

the Unicron Trilogy ("Aurex Cluster")

the live-action film series ("Tyran Cluster")

Transformers Animated ("Malgus Cluster")

Aligned ("Uniend Cluster")

Additional continuity families include:
The "mirror universe" Shattered Glass
The TransTech universe ("Nexus")

A much less prominent family centered on Go-Bots ("Yayayarst Cluster")

The original GoBots, who have been explicitly crossed over with Transformers thanks to fans turned pro ("Gargent" Cluster)

The Robotix continuity family ("Xobitor Cluster")

The Kre-O continuity family ("Fornax Cluster")

Side merchandise ("Iocus Cluster")

Star Wars Transformers ("Lukas Cluster")

Angry Birds Transformers ("Rovio Cluster")

The Cymond Cluster encompasses the continuities of many "pre-Transformers" toylines and other miscellaneous, often TakaraTomy-owned, toylines related to Transformers, such as Brave, Starriors, and Zoids.("Cymond Cluster")

The real-world continuity family ("Quadwal Cluster")

Every (or nearly every) Transformers story can be easily fit into one of these families, even if its precise continuity can't be pinned down.

>>89572642
>continuity families:

Go back to your wiki, Willis.

>>89572642

Nice fanfics, bro.

>>89570809
>any self-sacrificing Starscream is a fanfic-tier Starscream to me. .

So any character not being exactly like their G1 counterpart is a fanfic to you? I'm the kind of guy that has G1 as their favorite Transformers series, and I watched my first Transformers just a little over two years ago now so no nostalgia in it, and even I think you're a faggot.

>>89572404
>Jack

Jack isn't written as anything, he has the characterization of a stump and is barely a background character.

>Raf

Raf again isn't written like a human being, he's only there because they needed "teh hackorz" cool character that has nothing going on for him except doing computer shit.

>Miko

Literal drooling retard.

Notice how nobody bitches about Agent Fowler? Or Verity? Or Father Gunter? Once wrtiers start writing the humans as actually interesting (if not shallow) characters people won't mind.

>>89572121
I honestly don't remember the fat kid. I just remember the main guy who was bland other than saying "cool" lingo every once in a while, the Spic who's entire character was "LOOK HOW MEXICAN I AM, TACOS!", and what's her name that I don't think ever had any flaws so was really boring? I could be getting Armada mixed up with a completely unrelated show here though.

>>89572594
That's really interesting actually. So what actually is Devil Z's deal? I'd look on the wikis but from what I hear in the thread those are pretty shit when it comes to factual information.

>>89572804
Well yes, you ably proved my point by rattling off a list of your hot opinions. As for the others, sure people have bitched about them. Perhaps least of all Gunter because you may have noticed we barely talk about RID2015 here. Hell, you couldn't even refer to him correctly. He's not Father Gunter, he's Brother Gunter.

>>89572824

No that's all armada since they had like 5 kids or something.

Armada was a trainwreck and Energon was the steaming pile of metal and carcasses left by the trainwreck.

Weirdly enough the Dreamwave comics were actually pretty damn good and a MILLION times better than the dreck that was their "G1 Universe". Probably because Furman felt he could do whatever he wanted because he didn't need to jerk off the nostalgia boners for it so he actually just wrote a story.

>>89572956
Not to mention a one-off human character being compared to a main human character? Pretty weak. I imagine the monk thing would wear thing if they tried to elevate him. If it's true people accept him it could imply that the best written humans are limited time humans, one and done.

Fowler also had to earn his cred. I remember he wasn't well received and especially got flak for a clip show that revolved around him. Not only was a clip show weaksauce as shit plenty of people could care less about whether Fowler kept his job or not. Personally I hated the clip show but didn't mind Fowler in it, and Optimus at the window was kind of nice. Weird seeing him behave so casually.

>>89572913
Even the show can't keep straight what Devil Z's deal is. They have like two different origins for him and the Masterforce Transformers.

>>89537937
Only Transformers show I ever watched.

>>89572053
>It was revolutionary for its time.

It looked like shit even then. Don't kid yourself. Traditional animation cartoons around the time looked ten times better.

Source: I grew up with BW and other cartoons of that period. It always bothered me that the show could've looked better with traditional animation.

>>89568029
This

>>89575425

There were traditionally animated Beast Wars cartoons that came out in Japan at the same time.

They looked worse.

>>89571790
Despite its flaws I think Prime is the best out of all of them, even if the whole show felt like it was blueballing me

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>tfw you want to get into RiD2015 but that choppy animation is really hurting it

>>89572121
God I hated that, esspecially about the dub. The worst was in the later part of the series and someone had fucking died, Starscream I think. And everyone is talking about how worried they are, everyone except fat fuck. Fat fuck ignores fucking everyone and talks about cheeseburgers. even in the moonspeak version he was played off like a stupid glutten but at least in that scene they had him talk about something other than how fat he is

>>89575425
Yes of course. If traditionally animated it would have looked and aged better, but at the time it was impressive CGI for a show.

>>89577065

The worst part is, is that the shitty choppyness is done on purpose.

>>89570485
Look I'm sure there are exceptions to every rule....but for every show thats good there are probably five Pokemons, Bakugans, or whatever else

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>>89538370

Yes, yes it was.

>>89577645
That makes me feel better about it but I have to ask why

>>89576468

So whens the next issue out? Why is IDW plagued with delays?

>>89546051
People are still salty about that? It was like 7 years ago.

The coverage of Hot Shot is even now on a page that is literally called Hot Shot.

>>89537973
>armada starscream
>not memorable

>>89559912
>All those post 2007 movie fans panicking about what would happen if Peter Cullen dies, and how no one else can be Optimus

Because we didn't survive 20 years in between the last time he voiced the character, right?

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>>89575425
I grew up with BW, too, and it sure as shit looked way more interesting than a lot of the bland syndicated cartoons at the time. You weren't going to get BTAS quality animation from Hasbro. Look at one of BW's "sibling" shows from hasbro, that aired on the same block, GI Joe Extreme. It looked awful.

https://youtu.be/FdPWvRnXcXI

Armada was my favorite iteration of Transformer for years. Energon and Cybertron were cheap shit though.

If this entire show was reduce to a single 26 episode series with all the bullshit cut out, and tighter animation & scripting it would've easily been one of the best incarnation of transformers.

The way it is it's just a horrible mess with a gem here and there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzXWxZIjJ4k

A lot of potential here

>>89577689
It isn't a rule. As I said, anime as we know it wouldn't exist if the industry had the attitude that animation aimed at children doesn't have to be any good. I don't know why you're bringing up Pokemon to support your position.

>>89588785
Beast Machines also had a pretty sweet ending fight
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2e4csk_beast-machines-2x13-endgame-part-3_tv

>>89546703
Ok I rewatched the episode. Apparently he didn't go rogue, he just became a bigger asshole and Megatron didn't like it. Dont know why I interpreted this as him betraying Megatron when I was a kid.

Which super gay, vain bad guy got the better beastial upgrade, Hellscream or Croc Out?