Has there ever been a counter argument for The Incredibles'

>>89514850
Teen Titans when Blackfire first arrives Robin tells Blackfire that the cape is 10 times stronger than titanium, so it's a shield to use against explosives and weapons.

>>89514850
Somebody designing a cape that pops off when it gets pulled on.

>>89514850
They look cool. It's fiction. Watchmen did it first.

Whatever.

Detachable cape, designed to break off automatically if need be.

>>89514850
Batman regularly uses his cape as part of his misdirection and fighting style. There must be a hundred panels where a bad guy shoots the cape instead of him.

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>>89514850
Literally the only functional cape I can think of.

>>89514954
There was that time he threw rocks into his cape and used it as a club to bash Bane.

Isn't Superman's cape as bullet-proof as the rest of him and his costume?

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Pocket space

>>89514958
Does the top of the cape magically detach from Mario's neck and the bottom of the cape tie itself to Mario's legs?

>>89514850
another item slot to hold enchantments

>>89515060
Often. Often not, hence why he's completely undamaged save for a tattered cape (which admittedly looks fucking baller)

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>>89514850
this guy

/thread

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>>89514910
It's the same as asking has there ever been an argument for why Mr. Incredible and his family wear bright fucking red spandex when he's sent to a fucking military installation to sneak around.

It's a visual heavy medium.

>>89515070
That raises a lot of questions.

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>>89515099
Where else would you store your pretzels?

>>89515078
As a matter of fact, that's exactly what it does.

Spawn's cape and costume can do amazing things.

>>89514850
Batman's cape is used to glide around Gotham rooftops.

>>89514850
In industries where you have to wear loose shit around your neck and you work with heavy machinery, it's usually designed in a way that it breaks away easily when tugged on sharply by an outside force.
Realistically, this is how super capes should be designed.

>>89515070
>Now where did I leave that fuck to give?

>>89514850
Worm only (sometimes) uses capes for their propaganda value

It's not real and if the author doesn't include any cape related accidents then there's nothing wrong with having a cape.

>>89515230
>>89514954

Batman's the most creative guy with his cape.

He uses it to scare, fight and escape enemies.
He uses to defend himself from fire, acid or whatever.
He uses to glide.
He probably masturbate with it too.

>>89515230
It also makes him appear bigger and makes crooks miss shots they take at him, and makes him scarier that way.

It helps portray movement/direction in a static medium.

>>89514850
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_and_loop_fastener

>>89514850
>muh epic didney movie xDDD

Man I really wish people would fuck off with this no capes meme. Capes have been designed to be detachable forever. Any hero who'd actually have to worry about being caught by their cape would obviously have one designed to come off in that event. Fuck off back to /tv/.

>>89514902
>>89515629
These.

For God's sake, Edna, capes are fine so long as you don't follow a fucking noose as your template.

>>89515670
Waste of space/extra weight, it flops over your face after a fall, leaving you blinded, it leaves you with a small blindspot, baddies can spot you better, fumble with your equipment with all that fabric in the way.

>have fun dying on your first night out.

>>89515670
t. person who hasn't read watchmen

>>89515670
>Capes have been designed to be detachable forever. Any hero who'd actually have to worry about being caught by their cape would obviously have one designed to come off in that event.
not superman, every time he enters a fight with someone equal his strength they always go for his cape and it works. Good for him it's the most durable piece of his costume, surviving things he normally can't.

>>89515791
Batman's cape is fucking bullet-proof you little shit.

>>89515791
>Waste of space
As illustrated by Batman, a cape has a variety of uses.
>extra weight
If you can't carry the weight of a fucking cape you aren't nearly fit enough to be superheroing. You're probably not fit enough to walk up a large flight of stairs.
>it flops over your face after a fall
Why are you fumbling over yourself as a superhero?
>baddies can spot you better
It obstructs your outline and makes you harder to see, actually.
>fumble with your equipment with all that fabric in the way.
Why would it be in the way of your equipment? Are you keeping your grapple gun on the back of your neck?
>have fun dying on your first night out.
Have fun dying of heart failure, apparently.

>>89515791
You have obviously never worn a good cape.
Granted, capes in comics tend to be stupidly long, but chalk that up to creative liberties I suppose.

>>89515895

Then he should have used that material in a more productive way then wearing a fucking cape.

Also i guarantee you that batman's cape is not detachable 99/100 times.

>>89515884
>not superman
Right, he's not someone who needs to worry about being caught by his cape because no one can do significant damage to him with it. Thanks for illustrating the point.

>>89515884
To be fair to Supes, there is practically no way his cape could fuck him over, given how fucking durable and strong the guy is.

>>89515919
AHAHAHAHAHA.

>a cape has a variety of uses.

You mean to say that the bullshit materials his cape is construed from has a variety of uses after taking a shit on logic.

>Why are you fumbling over yourself as a superhero?

Because you just got punched by a baddie and have fallen down.

It obstructs your outline and makes you harder to see, actually.

Tell that to the fuckwits wearing spandex in bright variants.

>Why would it be in the way of your equipment? Are you keeping your grapple gun on the back of your neck?

go wear a long flowing cape and do general construction. count the number of times it inconveniences you on the job. Surprise, its a lot.

>>89515125
That sounds amazing right about now. But everything's closed. I gotta stop browsing /co/ so late.

>>89515125
>mustard on a pretzel
That's a thing, is it

>>89515884
hell, in 'Whats So Funny..." the bad guy thought he'd obliterated Superman to dust but his cape was still left, and rather than think something was up he just goes 'those superheroes, amirite?

>>89515884
That's the same point behind "how can Superman catch someone falling in the air without the force of impact crushing them?"

Superman is infinitely tougher than the binding of his cape to his suit.

>>89514954
That, and it can make his profile seem bigger, or he can pop out the glider from it.

Capes create an image. The only reason to wear a costume is to have a striking image.

>>89515084
That's a cloak! Completely different. And it levitates!

>>89516291
yup

>>89514850
Batman uses the cape to slow his falls, and it's treated to be flame resistant so he can use it to protect civilians he's saving from fire.
Storm of the X-Men uses her cape to catch the wind she controls so she can more easily fly.
Thor's cape was in the original Viking tradition of always having a warm blanket on your back to keep from freezing to death in the nasty Northern European climate.
I'm pretty sure there's one or two heroes with bulletproof capes.
Superman's cape was originally representative of the blanket his parents wrapped him in before he came to Earth, so before they reworked the canon it was the only known cultural artifacts of his home-planet.

>>89516291
In some parts of the country. Around here it's all about cheese sauce.

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>>89514850
Emma Frost. However, Emma's ever changing wardrobe also proves Edna right.

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>>89517755
Emma proving Edna Mode wrong. The cape can be used to augment a dramatic moment. That flair for the dramatic is the bread and butter of capeshit comics. Damn do I eat it up, so.

>ITT: autismal Disney babies don't understand visual design

>>89514910

They're not even fiction

People donned capes into battle all the way into the 1500's, they were specially popular with cavalry because making it flap in the wind was impressive

It's not a cape but it's a "pointless flowing dangley thng that hangs behind someone" thing.

A character in Worm wears a blonde wig in a long ponytail, and has like razors and shit hidden in the ponytail. The whole wig is held on loosely so it'll break away if someone grabs it.

>>89518473

Or every anime character with a scarf ever

Scarves > capes

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>>89514902
That's one of the reasons I really enjoy Batgirl's redesign, it's fastened on with pop-snap button clasp things. Though the cape is kind of small for the practical purposes of slowing falls, shielding victims, etc.

>>89514850
The argument should be "it's fiction". Capes on a superhero is an acceptable little break from reality that only a cynical fuck would hate.

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>>89514850

>>89514850
>Has there ever been a counter argument for The Incredibles' "No Capes" idea?

In the Batman Beyond comic, Dick Grayson revealed that Batman used his cape to make himself seem like a larger target, so people aimed at him and couldn't see where "he" was. Nightwing, on the other hand, didn't have a cape, so when he jumped at armed goons, they could see him and shoot with slightly higher accuracy.

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>>89517973
Oh, yeah, I am totally embracing my inner autism here, no lie. Visual design intrigues me to no ends. Especially a super hero comic book character such as Emma Frost. Her character's visual design and aesthetics have no restrictions.

>>89518548
Came here to post this.

>>89514850
Rule of cool trumps logic.
I respect her conviction but I can't say no to a badass cape.

>>89518510
If it's anime, it's almost certainly a Kamen Rider reference.

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>>89518434
They wore capes in the military in case it rained, got cold, or to keep dust off, as did civilians. The only things capes did in terms of looks was to add another surface for army colors over the armor. Capes are literally just rain coats and jackets w/o sleeves, hell there are modern capes that have holes to stick hands through the center. Its only in fiction where we have this whole idea of capes not wrapping around a person but just hanging loosely at the back.

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>>89518528

In the first episode of Supergirl, we learn that the cape helps steer while flying.

>>89515230
When did him gliding with his cape become a thing?

I noticed he doesn't really do it in BTAS. If he's falling, he needs his grapple gun to save himself.

>>89514850

well it depends.

are you going for a realistic or a stylistized universe?

>>89517973
jesus anon it's just a joke, no need to start a war over it.

Because the argument is stupid. Mr. Incredible survives battles in a volcano against a giant robot. There is no way a cape would hinder him.

Superman, Martian Manhunter, Etrigan, Thor, Captain Marvel, none would be slowed down by having a cape. Anyone/thing that could snag their capes could attack them other ways regardless.

The fuckng cape thing is stupid and normies latch onto it. batman/family and most non super who wear capes are smart enough to, i dunno, just fucking detach it. Capes are rarely ever detrimental, its retarded to think they might be

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>That part in Batman V Superman where one of the criminals he's fighting pulls on his cape and drags him down

Physically cringed in the theater

"I'm le Zack Snyder creating le ebin realistic universe but I'm still gonna give Batman a cape even though I make it a liability in a fight"

What a fag

>>89518720
Rich knights wore a lot of unnecessary shit, but in a legit melee a cape would be a nice thing to grab and tug while you smashed someone with a mace.

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>>89519082
People used to fight duals with capes on all the time, so this whole notion where it's more of a liability is silly.

If the guy is grabbing your cape, he's not paying attention to the fucking sword that's about stab him.

>>89518994
Did you watch the movie? Among the people to die from having a cape were a teenage girl and a guy who liked to adopt orphans.

>>89519111
But that's 1v1, a duel

Not a swath of nondescript "men" of Lex Luthor's

Plus Batman ain't got a thword

>>89515060
What's the point of a bullet proof cape if your entire body is already bullet proof? Intimidation?

>>89519160
>Have bullet proof cape
>Place it on person that isn't bullet proof

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>>89519082
>>89519111

Forget the melee, you wouldn't wear a pointless thing trailing behind you while riding into battle. Its because you could get yanked off of the horse. Stepp nomads did this alot with lassos, Europeans did it with special war hammers with spiked heads, if you were wearing a fluttering cape into battle you just did half the work for them. The kind of capes that Cav and Kinghts would wear were worn in a way that they didn't fly behind them too much. The super hero style that just sits behind a person fluttering in the breeze and never wraps around got you a one way express trip to the ground.

>>89515491

So it's basically a fancy towel?

>>89519254
yeah. and you know you can rely on a guy who knows where his towel is.

>>89519111
>If the guy is grabbing your cape, he's not paying attention to the fucking sword that's about stab him.
This. Hockey fighting is dumb.

>>89519135
>Not a swath of nondescript "men" of Lex Luthor's
At no point in any movie, comic book or video game has a fight between Batman and multiple goons has ever been depicted realistically.

In real life if 5 dudes jumped you, it wouldn't matter if you were wearing a cape or not.

>>89514850
Honestly, I always thought that was sketchy.

The heroes on those flashbacks, like, weren't they super strong!?

>>89515670
>>89514850
Welp, it's Disney

The company who pushes Tacticool excrement.

>>89519171
That is incredibly stupid. Do you know how heavy those bullet proof plates are? In addition, those plates can only take a maximum of two gunshots. After that, they becomes dead weights and are no longer bullet proof. The science behind bullet proof vests is the plate breaks in order to absorb the physical impact of a bullet. Once broken, the bullet proof plate is unusable and will not stop any more incoming bullets.

Those Pixar fuckers didn't put capes in so they wouldn't have to animate them, didn't they?

>>89519455
It's comic books senpai

Nobody bitches about Batman's grappling hook even though it's super unrealistic

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>>89519414
Most Incredibles heroes in general aren't very durable despite their powers.

Meta Man was essentially Superman but without the durability. So while he had super strength, but still got choked to death. Don't ask me how you can have super strength without having corresponding durability though.

>>89519455
>not knowing what soft armor is
>not getting how plates work
baka kys

>>89519458
>Pixar iterally wouldn't animate a character for the plane scene forcing a script rewrite
>Also didn't show Frozone's wife

I miss 2D animation when literally this wouldn't even be a problem

>>89519476
Ugh, I like Batman, but don't get me started on that can of worms.

People who hate capes = Marvelbabs
People who enjoy heroism and understand characters are something are more than just 'dude with superpowers' = DC Fans

>>89519120
But how convenient was that were were just let to assume they weren't metahumans, as in, super strong, as in, SUPER RESISTANT!?

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>>89514850
Doing baller shit like this

>>89518791
The first time I saw it was Batman Returns, which came out the same year as BTAS. But I didn't see it again until Batman Begins, where his cape stiffened with an electric current. I've never seen it in the comics....

>>89519458
EXACTLY!

I bet it was a pragmatic work-around.

>>89519481
>Don't ask me how you can have super strength without having corresponding durability though.
Muscle is easy to damage yo. Is pretty weak compared to skin.

>>89519603
I think he's more talking about how you'd smash your hands if you hit anything too hard, or your bones would break, or your muscles tear if you tried to lift anything that was too heavy.

>>89514874
Why not make whole suit out of it?

>>89519504

His arms have prosthetic armor that holds the weight of the force. It also makes him punch a lot harder.

>>89519582
>could've just straight up moved her a bit away

>>89514874
Yeah but that wouldn't make it impact resistent.

>>89518528
>it's practical!

God that was fucking stupid. I actually preferred the costume she had right before where it was black and yellow.

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>>89514850
I hail from /m/ with the only answer that matters.

>>89519575
This. Everyone in Incredibles who gets their cape caught in something and dies is established to have no super-durability and most of them are some kind of "lovable idiot" character archetype to boot.

Most supers in comics who wear a cape have godlike toughness or their whole gimmick is being clever. They'd never actually be caught by the situations depicted.

>>89514850
>have detachable cape
>have explosives attached to base of cape as to not give them away
>if cape is pulled off run like hell and press the detonator

>>89520330
>replacing super build tiger for no reason
come on, anon. come on.

>>89518569
I thought that was Stan Lee on the bike at first.

>>89519160
So a bullet wouldn't go through and hit a civilian.

>>89520396
Also we're never told who designed and/or created the suits those heroes were? Sure we can assume Edna made at least some of them. But do you think the teenager would be able to afford that? She probably made the suit herself, most likely keeping it all a secret from her parents, and since their world doesn't seem to have the kind of super hero fiction ours has then she'd have no idea about cape stuff. So being the dumb teenager she is she never thought to make the cape snap off.

>>89518511
t. Isadora Duncan

>>89514850
Capes are detachable

Superman is invulnerable

>>89520166
Shush you, knowing how physics works is cheating.

>>89514850
Batwoman's cape popped off in Blackman/Williams run.

>>89519082
if some dumb barbarian is stupid enough to try getting close enough to drag you down with the cape the only thing he's going to manage is ripping your cape off and getting a spear in the fucking heart. Even if a cape was as fastened to you as Edna said nobody is pulling a warrior in a full suit of armor off of his charging horse by tugging on his cape. If someone is really that strong there isn't anything stopping them from just killing you normally.

>>89515084
>my cape doesn't work under these conditions!
BRAVO BENDIS

>>89514850

it keeps your back dry when it rains

>>89519575
...they died from their cape snags. Thundergirl literally died from being sucked into a jet turbine. She's about as resilient as a pidgeon apparently.

>>89519595
Except they did show capes in the movies. I bet it's because it looked sloppy on characters in bright red who can't fly.

>>89519666
>prosthetic armor
>prosthetic
Anon...

>>89519233

Capes were just fabric, it would tear before hooking on a pike.

>>89518528
Woulnt leather jacket hinder her movement quite a bit?

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Living capes like Spawn's could keep themselves from getting caught on stuff and attack enemies.

>>89514981
>Bane
>>89515491
>Guy
>Fire
>>89516366
>BIGger

u sneaky fuckers

Antonio Banderas.

Seriously look it up.

>>89514850
Who fucking cares? The "argument" was just used for the sole purpose of some comedic cutaway gags, and that's it. A superhero's cape's purpose is only as useful as it's written to be.

The amount of autism over it in this thread is unbelievable.

>>89519481
Maybe it was really tactile telekinesis?

>>89518755
The note from DiDio at the end sells it completely.

A lot of people have pointed out how capes are made out of various resistant materials, which makes them good for shielding/rescuing bystanders.

>>89521610
Triggered

>>89522957
It's also a copout because those super materials would often be just as effective when used for something less stupid then a cape.

>>89519525
Anon most DC heroes don't wear capes.

>>89514850
But Batman needs the cape to look bigger and more intimidating. He's supposed to scare the thugs and criminals.
Not to mention in a fight it can be very distracting to the enemy, and make it hard to see and guess your moves.

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>>89520594

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how come ponchos never took off?

>>89523586
You posted it, they're heavily associated with one genre to the extent that they look really out of place in other settings.
Seriously with the random mish-mash of genres that Overwatch characters are based on, nobody looks more out of place than generic gruff cowboy.

>>89520396
So basically Pixar, just didn't put any tought a little further.

>>89523668
They probably thought they were making a comedic scene, and not a statement on a beloved genre trope that would be debated for decades.

The fools.

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>>89520396
>Most supers in comics who wear a cape have godlike toughness or their whole gimmick is being clever. They'd never actually be caught by the situations depicted.

>>89518548
Hmm, convection is still a thing though, and wouldn't it just pool on the ground?

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>>89523746
>convection is still a thing though
Not in fiction.

>>89514850
In bloodborne there are 2 variations of default hunters coats, one with a cape and one without. The cape is used to wipe away blood. Its also a very short cape.

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>>89523586

>>89523935
Looks more like a cloak. Ponchos aren't open in the front.

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>>89523776

>>89521175
Yes, they're meant for protection while riding a motor cycle, not for crime fighting.

>>89521175
Probably, yeah. Spandex is cold as fuck and leather is usually too thick to do acrobatics in, they would be better of using some kind of thicker jersey fabric with a water retardant layer/coat or something like that if they want to create a more practical costume.

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>>89518789
This.
Winn said it.
Must be true.

>>89524377
>>89524734
But leather makes me look tough :(

>>89525020
Be tough on the ground then because you're certainly not prowling the rooftops in it.

>>89524770
>>89518789
supes says the same thing in american alien
something about whipping through the skyline at 90 mph, the cape helps him catch the wind to turn on a dime

>>89521495
i hope to god he succeeds

>>89523586
the space race; didnt you even watch toy story?

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Maybe the entire concept of independent masked vigilantes working without the consent of society is a silly concept to begin with.

>>89515125
Top kek

>>89525510
So you're saying they should work WITH the government, like Hero Academia?

>>89520166
Don't they handwave something about the fabrics of BatFamily suits that a static charge stiffens the capes, making them more impact resistant?

>>89519455
>Once broken, the bullet proof plate is unusable and will not stop any more incoming bullets.

What if you had elf-regenerating plates? Like, made out of super-hard yeast?

>>89519504

What? Gas-powered grappling device. Boom.

>>89526269
Don't bring elves into this

>>89519268
Underrated post.

>>89515084
Oh hey it's Doctor Orpheus master of magic.

>>89519268
this poster is one frood who really knows his references