>makes everyone think it was aliens >makes everyone think

Movie one made a lot more sense and tied in nicely with him getting Manhattan to fuck off to Mars.

If he made everyone think it was Doctor Manhattan wouldn't that intensify the Russia/US conflict since Manhattan is a US citizen?

>>89504477
Not when he attacked a US city

>>89504473
It makes less sense on a logical level because Manhattan is directly an agent of the US officially so Russia probably wouldn't stand for it, but it works better than building up to the aliens on film

>>89504445
doesn't really matter, the end result is the same.

>>89504473
>Movie one made a lot more sense and tied in nicely with him getting Manhattan to fuck off to Mars.
No, Ozy didn't know that Manhattan would comply with his plan and through out most of the movie/book, Manhattan didn't even care about life or humanity.

>>89504622
What's more believable, that a city was destroyed by the superpowered being who had lost touch with humanity after a bunch of reporters made him mad, or that some random alien teleported into a city and destroyed it while also killing itself?

Which one makes a better story, that the genius who planned to trick the superpowered being who could interfere with his plan into leaving the planet and who also planned to fake an attack on a major city would use that superpowered being as the scapegoat for the attack, neatly tying the two plans into each other, or that the genius would secretly hire a bunch of artists, get them to create a realistic alien corpse under the pretense of filming a movie, murder all those artists (because that's totally going to go uninvestigated), and then drop the corpse in the destroyed city so people think the aliens did it?

The alien makes more sense because the point was to make something so horrific and jarring and out-of-nowhere devastating that it would put humanity on edge against other-worldly beings rather than other humans.

Dr. Manhattan was, essentially, a known factor. A lot of people, particularly US enemies, were already wary of him especially after his freakout with the cancer interview. Besides, he came from the US and even fought in Vietnam, so he is kinda their responsibility and at best everyone would unite excluding the states.

Also, the scene where the Comedian has a breakdown in a former villain's place only makes sense if he's seen the work of something so freakish and sinister that even a guy who was lighting people on fire in Nam would have his world rocked. The scene should've been cut from the movie, but then that's what happens when you try to recreate every panel without understanding the source.

Either way though, it is pretty heavily implied Ozy is wrong

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>>89504825
>What's more believable, that a city was destroyed by the superpowered being who had lost touch with humanity after a bunch of reporters made him mad, or that some random alien teleported into a city and destroyed it while also killing itself?
You're forgetting, Manhattan only left to be alone on Mars. Ozy wanted him gone for good so he could take the blame in the film adaption. There was absolutely NO GUARANTEE in Ozy's plan that Manhattan would,

1) Stay off planet, leaving Earth to believe he was responsible for the attack

2) Agree to take the blame for the attack if he ever returned, which he did (especially since he had no love for life for most of the story but is only changed at the very end which was not planned by Ozy)

The alien attack was a just an excuse for Countries to unite against a common enemy.
>oh, no! Space men are attacking mah planet! git of meh Earth! Damn Space men making mah planet worse!

>>89504445
You can fight off aliens, you can't fight Manhattan. Having to face Manhattan would put the world in despair.

>>89504960
>Either way though, it is pretty heavily implied Ozy is wrong
Because either way, it's only a temporary solution?

>>89504445

why didn't they put more people in the machine that made Manhattan

>>89505316
Yeah. Anything short of a neverending battle against a common enemy and people will find reasons to kill each other

>>89505316
Exactly, the original story of Ozymandias is about how his plan is folly because he can't know the future.

Ozy in Watchmen enacts his plan under the assumption he can accurately predict the outcome of it.

>>89504960
We'll yeah they make a point that nothing ever ends and everything you do won't last no matter how big it is, that's actually the point of the poem they quoted
>"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

>>89504519
no, that is you making up and projecting how you think Russia would react. You have 0 way of proving it since its fiction and Russia would probably have reacted just like they did in the movie because America got hurt too.

>>89504825
>or that some random alien teleported into a city and destroyed it while also killing itself?

I dont get why people act like this is a normal ending. Its absurd. Aliens show up but arent able to survive their own attack? I think both endings work fine for the the world their own, but as an audience the alien ending is a joke

>>89505350
because Dr.M is a special snowflake.
not trolling.

>>89505439
it just seems humanity is always looking for an excuse to fight.

>>89505661
>but as an audience the alien ending is a joke
what could unite the entire world to fight against a common enemy...? One that is not of this world.

>>89505661
>Aliens show up but arent able to survive their own attack?
I believe in the comic the speculation is that there was a psychic backlash caused by the alien's death when it dropped in NY, not that it was necessarily an attack, but I could be remembering wrongly.

>>89505747

That...... shows up with no warning and dies? You have to give them something to really fight. They never got to fight it to begin with. Its a weak ending.

>>89505852
>They never got to fight it to begin with
Exactly, nobody saw it coming and it decimated one of the most populated cities in the world. If it happened once, it can happen again. The scary thing in that situation is the unknown. Where did it come from? Was it an accident? Was it basically a suicide bomber? Would more aliens come that have figured out how to not die when they get here? In order to try to get answers and prepare themselves, nations would be better not spending time and resources fighting each other.

>>89505852
>That...... shows up with no warning and dies?
how bout that 9/11

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>>89506167
>>89505852
lol

but seriously,

Death is uncertain, we don't know how long we have until we expire and any time we do it's because we're facing it right in the face in that moment whenever it comes.

>>89504445

Ozy's hoax with the aliens seems like a temporary solution, unless he's going to stage more alien attacks whenever people going to start getting suspicious that after single incident, aliens didn't show a sign of life. Manhattan seems like more permanent solution, but also more risky, until man himself has approved this idea. As long as they believe that Manhattan is watching them and is going to punish them, unless they keep their nukes in check, I think they're not going to start nuclear war anytime soon. Though obviously it mostly depends on how seriously people are going to take a certain journal.

>>89505350

There is a scene where you see the Chinese are throwing guys into the machine over and over.

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Aliens made more sense in context for being so ludicrous and unexpected, Ozy himself explained it by quoting Goebbels. Manhattan is scary but the world was used to him after decades of being around, just like people is used to live with atomic bombs and nuclear disasters. Also attacking the entire globe miss the point. The entire thing was a parallelism with Truman dropping the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki with the justification of killing hundred of thousands for saving millions, just like Ozy dropped the squid killing millions for saving billions. Roscharch thought Truman was a cool guy and he was completely right on dropping the bomb over Japanese civilians, like the average American does, but he freak out by Ozy doing the same shit on American soil, exactly the same reaction the average American would have.

>>89506663
>Ozy's hoax with the aliens seems like a temporary solution, unless he's going to stage more alien attacks whenever people going to start getting suspicious that after single incident,
which is why his "solution" is completely flawed.

>>89505787
In the comic anything that is teleported dies immediately so ozy gathered up libtards to build the psychic squid so he could teleport it to new york. It was pretty dumb to expect people to stockpile weapons because of a random attack. Manhattan being implicated seems more likely since he freaked the fuck out at his interview and committed treason.

The way I see it, there is no way Ozy would be associated with the alien, Roscharch never wrote about something so insane in his diary.
Movie Ozy might be fucked though

>>89506829
>seems more likely since he freaked
again, there are several variables Ozy did not account for when he framed Dr.M in the movie

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A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?

>>89504519
Eaxctly. If anything, movie Ozymandias would have probably triggered WWIII instead of preventing it. Just the mere possibility that the US could reproduce Dr. Manhattan would send all other nations into a panic and increase paranoia and aggression towards the US. Uniting the world against a force that is entirely an unrelated to humanity makes way more sense.

>>89506991
What do you mean? From what I remember both ozys orchestrated the freak out with "gotcha" question and Manhattan's inevitable break with the US.

>>89507150
In the comic he freaked Dr.M out so that he could leave the planet, so it would be easier to orchestrate his plan without having Dr.M stop him, but in the movie he takes the opportunity instead to frame Dr.M which could have easily backfired in his face.

>>89504445
>All these people who didn't read the comic.

You guys fucking suck. They made a big deal about the writer's disappearance, the artists, scientists and the human psychic brain they cloned into the fucking squid because they coded information into the psychic backlash.

Psychics are a thing in Watchmen. People with ESP as well. Hell, even normal people will receive the terrible descriptions of alien landscapes, vivid images of alien colonies and a cacophony of horrible sounds...

Even if it sounds unbelievable, people made sure they'd believe it. He fed so much information into their brains people went insane. "Sensitives will having nightmares for years to come", he said.

But yeah, building up to it in the movie wouldn't be practical.

In the End, both Rorschach and Ozy are flawed.
Ror's telling the government Ozy orchestrated the whole attack would bring him to justice, but WWIII would have definitely happened after

and

Ozy's plan did unite the entire world to fight against a common enemy, but for how long could he keep the act up? And what if the world started to go to war against each other again, drop another alien bomb killing more people?

In the end, choosing the lesser of two evils was the conflict because life is full of similar decisions.

>>89505350
He's a unique case in that he understood enough about taking things apart and putting them back together, his true superpower was understanding watches like some kind of Watch Man

>>89504445
The aliens because

1. If they believed Manhattan attacked cities and then found out that Doctor Manhattan didn't destroy those cities, how do they know that Manhattan won't proceed to do it for real? They know for certain he exists. They saw him flip out on TV (even if it was manipulated by Ozy) and they don't know if he'll be back. With the aliens, once they find out that it was all Ozy's plan, then they'll know that the aliens never existed and then it fits in with "It Never Ends".

2. I think I would've been more accepting of the ending of the film if Snyder hadn't overdone it (like he usually does with other things) and had Manhattan destroy multiple cities.