I'm totally disconnected from this; how's the Wonder

bad

>>89378383
how so

>>89378393
its in the dceu

The whole world's counting on her.

She's Jesus.

Should have given her a WW1 uniform desu

>>89378405
Honestly this, every dceu movie has been worse than the last. And SS broke me.
I cant get hype for DC movies.

>>89378393
Set in world war one, princess diana, a character who's whole jib is supposed to fight to bring love and justice to a world in conflict will be so disheartened by the events in the film she says "fuck it I'm out" and quits on the world of man.

Assuming the movie is well shot, well edited, well scripted and well acted (hahahahahahaha!) it will at the very least miss the whole fucking concept of Wonder Woman. And they're going to kill steve trevor.

TL;DR Being a WW fan is suffering.

>>89378423
Now I can't get the image of her crucified Wolverine style out of my head.

>>89378447
At least spend 20$ on the bluray. They promise to fix any problems in the film with the dvd after you buy it

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>>89378449
>it will at the very least miss the whole fucking concept of Wonder Woman

What else is new?

Why do people who write her and want to "fix" her hate her so much? What it is about WW that it attracts this kind of people?

>>89378462
>They promise to fix any problems.....after you buy it

Just like the DLC in my videogames.
Fuck capitalism.

>>89378449

>And they're going to kill steve trevor.

When aren't they trying to kill the poor bastard? Just be grateful for the heroic death he will receive and the fact that will remain one of the most important people in Wonder Woman's till modern times.

>>89378449
>will be so disheartened by the events in the film she says "fuck it I'm out" and quits on the world of man.
Haven't they learned anything from the first two superman... Oh wait. They've already made this mistake twice, so obviously they don't care, and probably take a certain sadistic satisfaction in turning children's heroes into depressing wet blankets, while making oddly specific jabs at christianity but not religion in general.

It's almost llke a strategic attempt to dishearten children via a campaign of media subversion, but of course, that's crazy talk; Hollywood would have to have something in common across the board to unite like that, and as we know they are all colourful and quirky individuals with coincidentally similar surnames.

>>89378449

Hey, Wonder Woman quitting the world isn't so uncommon. Just be glad she isn't doing it this time because Superman broke her heart or impregnated her.

>>89378503

>while making oddly specific jabs at christianity but not religion in general.

DCEU's pure Christianity wank, bro.

Did you know that MoS came out Warner Brothers was paying priests and preachers to do sermons using Superman as an example and asking the church goers to go watch the movie?

>>89378377
Bad.

>>89378481

>Why do people who write her and want to "fix" her hate her so much?

She's too much like Superman superficially so they want to change her to set them apart. It's like turning Green Arrow into a communist and a bigger asshole to make him distinct from Batman, but in GA's case it worked.

>>89378518
>DCEU's pure Christianity wank, bro.
Christfag here.
I'm not happy about it, no other christfags I know are happy about it.
"He uses a SPEAR! lol so deep!"
It's not christwank, it's christbait.

>>89378447
>And SS broke me.
Man, fuck that movie with a rake.

I wasn't very hyped for BvS because I didn't particularly care for MoS, so I wasn't that disappointed with it like other fans were. SS though? I was really excited to see it after the trailers and knowing Ayer would direct it. I can't remember the last time a movie let me down that much.

Everything about SS spoke of a failure. The ancedotes about Leto acting like the Joker. Margot Robbie "lol das not what they said" in the trailer. The blatant sex appeal. Will Smith.
How any was surprised it was bad is beyond me.

>>89378555

The spear thing was more an Excalibur thing, but i guess it counts as Christbait also due to that.

>>89378482
Anon. 250 million isn't enough to make a good movie anymore. Buy the bluray and our investors will know it's worth it to invest in our next venture

>>89378569

>The blatant sex appeal.

There's nothing wrong with that unless you're an unfunny fag.

>>89378576
90% of the time sex appeal means the product is shit and they're desperately trying to sell it by sticking a pair of boobs on it

>>89378576

It's not even sexy though. Margot Robbie makes my dick explode and seeing her in that just made me want to take a shower.

You can do slutty and hot without it being nasty. She's a Shadman redesign brought to life.

>>89378587

Nah.

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>>89378377
it's fantastic

>>89378591

I liked her as a skank. She's a nasty girl, after all. What with being with the Joker and all.

But then again i like my girls at crackwhore levels. I'm a very trashy person.

>>89378481
>Why do people who write her and want to "fix" her hate her so much? What it is about WW that it attracts this kind of people?

see
>>89378527
>She's too much like Superman

This is the prevalent opinion of the "higher ups". DC keeps giving WW to people who pitch "taking her in a 'new direction'". Thats why we get constant origin re-telling and retcons out the ass. The 'new direction' has almost nothing in common with what makes the character great or popular and when the tittle flops the suits say "see, you can't sell WW in modern comics, we need to take her in A NEW DIRECTION."

>>89378599

If this animated movie was a live action one the critics would have completely lost their shit. It would be one of the most hated movies of the year.

>>89378601

>I liked her as a skank

I don't mind her being the Joker's puppet, but I don't like her being his BITCH. It takes the light touch out of it.

>>89378569
It personally exceeded my expectations of awfulness, I knew it was gonna be bad but god damn I couldn't even imagine it was gonna be that bad.

There are studios that try and make movies that bad and dont come close to the level of awful that was SS.

>>89378615

She's his bitch, though. There's no light touch. Well, there was, but only because it was a kid cartoon. Look at the recent stuffs with her.

>>89378603
>The 'new direction' has almost nothing in common with what makes the character great or popular and when the tittle flops the suits say "see, you can't sell WW in modern comics, we need to take her in A NEW DIRECTION."

It's an ouroboros of stupid.

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>>89378603
What I would love to understand is why she ATTRACTS this kind of people.

There are more people who want to "fix" her than actual WW fans.

What is it about her?

>>89378627
>She's his bitch, though. There's no light touch. Well, there was, but only because it was a kid cartoon. Look at the recent stuffs with her.
SS was so popular with the general audience (normies) that DC and WB are split on which direction to take Harley and how to handle her relationship with Mr.J
In the comics the push is to make HQ a Deadpool style anti-hero and having the Joker show up to smack her around and slip her the D will only work if she tells him to fuck off. But in SS the Joker was shown to have genuine feelings for her and after extensive test screenings WB decided to play the 'romance' straight to measurable success. Hot topic 15 year olds shelled out their dad's money for a HQ Halloween costume and WB doesn't want to give that up.

Shit could go either way.

>>89378666
Because Wonder Woman is only important by virtue of being Da Strong Woman of the JL and DC in general. She's never been as popular as Supes or Batman, but they want her to be because she's iconic and stuff, so they keep throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

>>89378449
It's WW1. Of course Steve's gonna be dead.

>>89378666

>What I would love to understand is why she ATTRACTS this kind of people.

Because of Superman. Superman's DC poster boy. He must be protected at all costs. So because Superman and Wonder Woman share a lot in common, and Superman can't be changed, then she must, specially since DC has been trying since the 86' reboot to set her up as one of his love interests. So she can't really be like him at all. She must contrast with him.

That's when the question pop in: "How can we make Wonder Woman different from Superman?"

The ideas are always to turn her into Superman's Akuma (or Gouki). If Superman's humble, she's haughty, if Superman's responsible, she's brash, if Superman's compassionate, she's cold, if Superman's calm, she's violent, if Superman avoids killing, she will kill as a first response... and so on. They've tried to turn her into a female Kratos since the 90's. It seems to have finally stuck. Look at the movies, the recent cartoons, the games.

>>89378720
That's reasonable if you're an executive or a writer, but that doesn't explain the "fans" (or un-fans) who want to fix her.

Why not just ignore her? They obviously don't like her, so why try to fix her?

>>89378666
It's not her. Every time an author says 'Im a huge WW fan' or 'I've been a WW fan forever' I call instant bullshit. A WW fan wouldn't have to preface his run like that. All a WW fan would say is "hold onto to your nuts, shits about to get real". It's people who ARN'T attracted to the character that keep getting the job.

Shit, I think the last real WW fan to get a run was Azz and you know how fast his shit got retconned.

There were rumours that it was going really badly because Patty Jenkins was impossible to work with or something. But the rumours just sounded like a boilerplate sexist rant so I don't know that they were true.

>make godawful WW movie
>blame failure at misogynists and patriarchy
>???
>profit
Let's hope the reboot after 10-20 years will be better.

>>89378737

Those fans are either shippers trying to make her into a better trophy wife or feminists trying to make the iconic super-heroine "better".

>>89378752

Dude, if you think feminists will side with this movie you've another coming.

>>89378766
Yeah, I imagine all the half dressed women will be a fair turn off for a lot of them.

>>89378449
you have no idea what ww1 was like if you think it wouldn't put anyone (ANYONE) off ever being involved with humanity ever again

>>89378774

Things "feminists" been already complaining about:

Wonder Woman's costume being too revealing.
Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor romance.
Steve Trevor being sexist.
Possible chance of a sex scene (or implied sex) with Wonder Woman.
The amazons being created by Zeus to serve him.
Too much violence.

>>89378766
B-but feminist are the enemy!

>>89378750
>But the rumours just sounded like a boilerplate sexist rant so I don't know that they were true.
WB wanted a woman to direct but couldn't find anyone with big budget experience. The fear was Jenkins wouldn't be able to handle the budget and the reality was so much worse. When the producer suggested bringing in a fixer to fire people so Patty wouldn't have to get her hands dirty she immediately pulled the sexist patriarchy card because she thought the studio was trying to stealth a shadow director in (not an unfounded fear, from what I understand). The long and short of it is the actual filming is a mess and no one really knows who's going to have final authority to bring it all together.
No matter what happens WB is going to make sure that since Jenkins went to the media and complained about responsibility then if the movie flops the responsibility will fall right in her lap.

>>89378835
Either way, THE PATRIARCHY!

>>89378793
So feminists are a tool used by Disney like puppets, turning the facts in the way they want, for satisfy their rat company bosses, and promote their crap.

>>89378766
They kind of have to but at the same time I already see how they're going to complain about it. And the sad thing is they're right.

The feminist superhero, like, the one with the strongest argument for being called a feminist superhero, is probably going to quit because her boyfriend died, then start giving a shit about being a hero again because ANOTHER man died and a third man asked her to. That's not a good look

But if they don't support her, nobody will. So they're screwed. I'm looking forward to the reactions to the movie. They're going to be more entertaining than the movie itself.

>>89378854
After all that shit about one scene in A:AoU, I can't even imagine what a whole movie with a female character will be like.

>>89378835
Yeah that's what I meant. Sounds like it was written by a comic nerd who seethes about women. Doesn't mean it's not true though.

>>89378793

Oh, and here's a funny one: some are worried if Wonder Woman will bone both Steve Trevor and Batman, for some reason, in the same movie, with there being this weird mathematics going on about how many men a female character can bone in a movie without looking like a slut.

From what i gathered boning a dude is fine and romantic if a bit old-fashioned and sexist, boning two dudes can make the character look slutty and thus bad specially if there's a love triangle, boning three or more dudes though is empowering and feminist as fuck.

Yeah, i didn't understood it either.

>>89378789
I am well aware of the Lost Generation. My point is WW1 was specifically chosen because they wanted to tell the 'Wonder Woman gets disillusioned' story. Which is a shit story. WW was designed to be the one person who would go through WW1 and fight for humanity anyway. Thats your WW story, that's being true to the character.

>>89378774
>implying most feminists aren't dykes

>>89378800
t. cuck

Also how did I hint that feminists were to blame? Although they probably are. If you try to write a normal woman with normal female feelings they raise a stink about how this is chauvinistic and enforcing stereotypes. So now we're left with "Cardboard Cut-out Woman: is the actress completely devoid of talent or is the character written that way? We might never know! But she kicks male ass left and right so please see our movie!"

>>89378876

Can't have that. In the DCEU all the heroes will be delusioned or misanthropic fucks that are inspired to be better people by Superman.

Because he's Jesus Christ.

>>89378861

Man, if they actually do a implied sex scene in the movie where Steve fucks Wonder Woman in some trench or something the response will be hilarious.

>>89378910
Anything less than WW kicking Steve in the balls, tying him down and pegging him with a trenchclub will be met with hordes of screaming turbodykes. WB can't win.

>>89378910

They could also do a repeat of Age of Ultron and make it so that Wonder Woman will lose her powers if she get intimate with a man, thus explaining the reason why she can't get physical with Steve.

Now that would set people off.

>>89378876
This is just speculation on my part, but I think that the reason she leave is because Ares or an oracle or something will tell her about WWII and Diana will lose hope because despite the devastation that happens, humanity does it all again 30 years later.

That or Steve will become the God of War at the end of this movie, and Diana will leave because she doesn't want to fight him.

Either way I'm sure there'll be some kind of montage at the end of the film about Diana trying to get involved in WWII, then slowly withdrawing herself because of wars with no good guys like Vietnam, Balkan, Turkey, etc.

>>89378972

Wonder Woman will save young Adolf Hitler in the movie, who she'll befriend, and later she'll blame herself for WWII;

>>89378377
In terms of rumors? Everyone is saying it's shit.

In actual facts, we don't know. The trailers look okay, it seems visually interesting, and if you're into period/war pieces, it looks fun, but I think it's a wild card. Could be good, could be awful, it all depends on the script, in my opinion.

>>89378377
I thought Wonder Woman was suppose to be thick and swole, not a musclewoman, but look like someone who spend her entire life wrestling in a tunic and putting in time in the yard with a sword.

>>89378666
At least part of it has to do with the fact that Diana can't keep anything past a single run. Hell look at Rebirth. Instead of telling a story most of it has just been Rucka throwing a big "FUCK AZZARELLO NOT MUH WONDY' tantrum. And that's not to defend Azzarello either. His Wonder Woman was a huge departure from the one before it, which was JMS, which was bullshit too. Diana doesn't have much by way of concrete characterization or plot or anything because everyone wants to do their version before the paint can dry on the last one.

Another part of it is because Diana's got the anchor of feminism around her neck. She's gotta represent this kind of heroic ideal *for women* and that changes every 20 years or so. Is she sex positive or sex negative? Is she peaceful or violent? Is she an ambassador that focuses on the big picture or does she rant about mansplaining? That answer varies from person to person depending on what their gender identity politics are. This turns her into a cipher for people to project their values on and, when combined with the earlier point of her not having a lot of concrete stuff, means that she's this kind of amorphous mass of ideas without meaning.

So when people say they want to fix Wonder Woman it's because there's no value assigned to what came before and too much on their personal tastes and ideas.

>>89380340
The thing is, everything you said is true. However, IF DCEU managed to make a popular Wonder-woman, it is very easy to suddenly make her the official template for the character going forward. But that requires that the film be a success. This just might be the one chance DC had in pinning WW down and give her a fixed backstory. But I am not holding up much hope.

>>89378449
>And they're going to kill steve trevor.
Seriously? In the first movie

If that's true, I'm completely turned off from this whole thing

>>89378481
>Why do people who write her and want to "fix" her hate her so much
Because nobody actually knows anything about WW, general populace-wise at least. It's less that they want to "fix" her and more like they think they know what is best to make her actually "exist" in whatever time the character is coming out.

I doubt anybody even knows more than like 5 people in her rogues gallery or the full scope of her powers.

>>89381318
>Seriously? In the first movie
>If that's true, I'm completely turned off from this whole thing
Most people can't agree on what kind of Wonderwoman they want, but most also agree they don't know what to do with Trevor. Trevor is meant to be a male Lois Lane, but Diana really doesn't have much of a secret identity in her history.

>>89381318
He's an adult during WW1 man. Even if they don't kill him to give Diana a tragic backstory (and they probably will) he's going to be dead of old age by the time BvS takes place.

They're not gonna keep him alive. He;d be 140 years old.

>>89381475
Having him die of old age is one thing. Just straight up killing him because "War sucks" isn't as bad as Jimmy Olsen's unimportant death but it's pretty up there.

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>>89381504
Ask yourself what would be consistent with the DCEU as we've seen it thus far.
Steve is dead.


The only way Steve survives the movie is if WB is full Sony retarded and wants to give him a spin-off movie. That is also likely because let's face it, Chris Pine probably has to carry this movie.

>>89378910
They would probably fade to black, but I'm hoping they show some toplessness from the back as she rides him. (can't have Wonder Woman on her back now)

>>89378910
>Man, if they actually do a implied sex scene in the movie where Steve fucks Wonder Woman in some trench or something the response will be hilarious.
>>89381945
>They would probably fade to black, but I'm hoping they show some toplessness from the back as she rides him. (can't have Wonder Woman on her back now)


Do they REALLY need to fuck?

I mean, narratively, does the plot require it? One can't forget that MCU Steve Rogers never fucked Peggy Carter, and in fact they never officially dated. But she still was important to Steve.

If having Diana giving her virginity to the first man she ever met is a problem, then why even bother doing that at all? She can love someone without needing to prove it by opening her legs. If he was always going to die, then the relationship was always going to be cut short. And if that is the case then is it really needed that Diana gets busy in her film?

> implying steve won't end up on paradise island and not age until present day when he can return in modern dceu movies

i almost guarantee this will happen

>>89382073
It can serve as an important part of her growth as a character. For a young woman, coming of age can mean taking charge of her own sexuality, and that can be empowering. Whether DC has the chops to pull it off instead of making it a cheap thrill is anyone's guess.

>>89382212
WW only exist on the DCEU to suck Batman's cock.

>>89378449
I'm calling it right now.
The ending will be happy and joyful and Wondy will go back to Themyscira or be occupied for a while. She comes back to a see that Nazi Germany has been killing off Jews (which proves whatever point Ares was making during the movie) and she loses faith in mankind and her efforts to stop WWI just make way for Hitler who is somehow worse than Ares.

Gurantee this shit is the end. Somebody screen cap this.

>>89382291
I'm hoping she jumps on Superman's dick when he's revived. Just to make it a running gag.

>>89378462
Nah fuck it. I'm not gonna spend money for a "fixed" version of a shitty film. More so when the only thing they change is by adding more scenes that doesn't changes the movie besides padding it up.

>>89382212
>It can serve as an important part of her growth as a character. For a young woman, coming of age can mean taking charge of her own sexuality, and that can be empowering.
But is that relevant for Diana?
Diana isn't meant to be some teenager. What you describe just feels like a rather big stretch that is only used to push a certain element of women that don't really apply for superheroes.

I just have trouble seeing your interpretation being helpful to the film. That just seems way too off from Diana's own story and might distract from the film itself.

Unless it's about bondage games and loving summission, I don't much care.

>>89382447
What IS Diana's story? To save the world of man? Then she has to understand what it means to be with men. To have a connection with them. And sex is a strong part of that, especially when it comes to how men relate with women. That doesn't necessarily need a sex scene, but it would make for a stronger story.

>>89382624
Wonder Woman's understanding has never actually required interaction but rather has been framed as guidance from on high. What you propose is far too progressive for the property to withstand because then you beg the question of what business Diana has preaching to anybody considering how naive and myopic her worldview is.

>>89382212
DCEU Wonder Woman is already at least a few centuries old so trying to frame her story as anything approaching coming of age doesn't really come off as feasible. Just make her a lesbian already. Everyone thinks it as is.

>>89378503
Otherwise you will get. "Why isn't she saving the world before Superman" for the umpteth time

>>89378505
>Hey, Wonder Woman quitting the world isn't so uncommon

Yes it is

>>89382149
when test audiences respond better to Steve than to WW they will find a way to bring him back yes

>>89382698
Indeed, but that question will be there regardless, and if they don't confront it then it will give credence to the Mary-Sue accusations, more than Rey with Star Wars. Sure, it's Wonder Woman, but the name can only carry her so far since so many different people have different ideas of what that means. Abilities aside, its her attitude that will come under fire the most. Skew too feminist and they alienate the comic book crowd. Not feminist enough and they lose the .mainstream viewers.

And look at the trailers, stretching in front of the mirror in period clothing. She's already a naive fish out of water, and her later disillusionment is dependent on her being myopic.

>>89382698
>Wonder Woman's understanding has never actually required interaction but rather has been framed as guidance from on high. What you propose is far too progressive for the property to withstand because then you beg the question of what business Diana has preaching to anybody considering how naive and myopic her worldview is.
You nailed it. Wonder woman isn't meant to be an everywoman. She isn't meant to be "just like anyone else". She is supose to be as much of an ideal as Superman.

I guess if DCEU decided they want Diana to become an insecure human the same way they treated Snyder Superman, then they might go there. But it is a massive stretch consider that Diana in DCEU is an ancient immortal who was NOT raised by humans. And further, she got the Female Jesus role on top when her Father created humanity in the DCEU.

>>89382738
A few centuries living a life in a literal paradise. Without knowing anything of the world. Coming of age is a perfect story tread for her.

>>89382965
>Indeed, but that question will be there regardless, and if they don't confront it then it will give credence to the Mary-Sue accusations
What? Why the hell do you think a demigod should need to "confront" going through puberty?

Diana is a superhero, and technically a god. Anyone trying to accuse her of being a Mary Sue is missing the point. If you want a mortal female as role model maybe you should pick a mortal superhero to idolise.

>>89383000
>A few centuries living a life in a literal paradise. Without knowing anything of the world. Coming of age is a perfect story tread for her.
Then you just removed any right she has to lecturing humanity on right or wrong. The second you make her an ignorant child is the second she just become useless as a role model.

>>89382698
>>89382991
She is better when she is grounded.
Superman is an ideal but he's still grounded.
It's not entirely mutually exclusive.

>>89383073
>She is better when she is grounded.
>Superman is an ideal but he's still grounded.
>It's not entirely mutually exclusive.
Grounded in WHAT? She is a god in DCEU. You want her to have superpowers but incapable of acting like an adult? You want her to be as childish as Snyder Superman?

>>89383052
How does she have any such right? She's ignorant of anything. She's a superpowered Noble Savage. Are we supposed to just accept her "godliness" because she's hot?

>>89383116
Jesus Christ calm down. I'm not even talking about the DCEU but how she is better in the comics when she's grounded, and only became lame as fuck when everyone started to treat her personality as "uh... she's a icon, you know? that's all she is"

Azz' Wonder Woman was a god and yet pretty grounded for the most part. Being godlike, specially being a greek god, doesn't mean you can't act human.

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>>89382574
The amazons will be 100% asexual because otherwise it would be a male power fantasy or something.

>>89383188
>Azz' Wonder Woman was a god and yet pretty grounded for the most part. Being godlike, specially being a greek god, doesn't mean you can't act human.
Acting human doesn't mean she gets to have sexual anxiety. That is my main problem, that no one cared that Batman probably has sexual performance issues but no one make it a film plotpoint. Diana being female shouldn't mean she gets to have all the mortal problems. For example, I would find it insane to suddenly give her Period-Pain as a weakness. Diana needed to represent higher ideals, not trying to make teenage girls think she is one of them.

>>89378569
Yet it still get Oscar nomination and two awards for Margot Robbie

>>89383289
I don't think it should be a plot point but I don't see why not have her fuck Steve. Implied sex, of course, because it's a superhero movie.

>>89378575
How far away are we from a DC patreon/gofundme?

>>89383405
I was hoping for something more explicit, with deep.shadows, lots of panting, laying in bed with am asymmetrical sheet draped over her boobs.

>>89383527
what boobs?

>>89378377
wondy will make cape movies great again

>>89382965
The thing is they're not mutually exclusive. Diana's always been the dime store pamphlet of feminism in her time. That's one of the reasons she's such a mess.

>>89383405
>I don't think it should be a plot point but I don't see why not have her fuck Steve. Implied sex, of course, because it's a superhero movie.
Why should she fuck him for? If I am not mistaken, there is a war on. She didn't fuck anyone in BvS, why does she need to in her own film?

>>89383073
I disagree. You ground an ideal and you remove what makes them an ideal.

>>89383179
>How does she have any such right?
Honestly? Marston's benevolent sexism.

>>89378575
But that's the thing, I don't WANT your next venture if it's gonna be as shit as Green Lantern, Man of Steel, BvS, etc.

>>89383179
>How does she have any such right? She's ignorant of anything. She's a superpowered Noble Savage. Are we supposed to just accept her "godliness" because she's hot?
Blame Snyder for making her Female Jesus and ancient immortal. It is a little too late to make her another Snyder Superman, superpower man-child.

>>89383679
DC is too prudish to show actual lesbians in their movies. Hence they need to show Diana isn't a by having her be fucked.

>>89383796
Right now all she is is a sexy mystery woman that makes bedroom eyes at Batman. Haven't seen any jesus stuff with her on screen.

>>89380213
Eh not really.
It varies artist to artist, and making her almost big barda levels has mostly been a recent thing.

There are plenty of drawings and versions of WW that would be on par with how movie version looks (though maybe with more cleavage)

>>89383735
Then you're an idiot

>>89378377
I'll prolly like it just cause of how bad everyone is saying it is.

Same thing happened for me with BvS.
Everyone was going apeshit about Rotten Tomatoes scores, and I'm like "These scores make it sound like it's on The Spirit levels of bad. No way that's right."
And it WASN'T. I mean yeah BvS is far from flawless or the best cape movie. But it deserved half the hate it got at most.

So like BvS, the internet is full of people acting like it's a 3/10 movie. So when I see that it is a 6/10 movie I will prolly be defending it.

>>89380213
Too bad she is neither there then.

>>89383925
The Spirit is at least fun and stylish even with how bad it is. Can't say the same for BvS.

>>89383925
So you'll ignore common sense foresight, waste your time, and waste your money just to be contrarian on the internet?

>>89384116
Be honest. Do YOU have anything better to do?

*Fistbump?

>>89383179

>She's a superpowered Noble Savage.

Ugh.

>>89383705

Superman should be grounded. He should be an everyman first and an ideal second.

>>89383679

People fuck during wars a lot, bro.

And why can't she fuck? That's sex negative.

>>89384494
She's pretty, but that IS the trope she's playing. Search your feelings, you know it to be true!

>>89384542

I was thinking more about the comics. Sorry. I hate when they play her as if she was Canon with boobs.

>>89384515
Even the idea of the everyman is an ideal.
Especially when its portrayed as a good thing.
That's where Snyder failed, actually. He paints a negative picture of humanity.

>>89384589

The problem with Snyder was that he was to hop on the Byrne train.

John Byrne's Superman was... was... complicated.

>>89378555
My grandma wanted to see MoS just because she heard it had Jesus allegories. The bait worked.

>>89383874
Why am I the idiot?
Marston's original premise for Wonder Woman was based on the idea of gendered personality traits; that women were naturally more kind and altrustic and giving so they should be in charge. That's why even though there's lots o bondage on the island of all women (literally called paradise) there's no oppression and it's all in good fun.

That's managed to be diluted but still remains true of Wonder Woman today; the idea that she's got wisdom to impart on gender equality despite being from a monogendered civilization is solely because she's wiser and more sensible and kinder than anyone from "man's world" because of what's between her legs.

You don't like it, tell DC to drop it. I'd LOVE an arc where Wonder Woman gets told she has no clue what she's talking about. It'd be her "why don't you kill the joker" moment

>>89384614
It's okay to hop on a train if the train isn't already moving at full speed. Byrne worked because there was more set up; we got Clark in college, we got Clark bonding with humanity as a kid and having a girlfriend and stuff. Byrne's Clark identified Earth as his homeworld and Krypton was just a "well that might've been nice".

Byrne Superman isn't even my favorite version but I can see the roots of the character's humanistic bent there. Not so much with Snyder's version

>>89384634
You're assuming the DCEU has a writer capable of making that stick with general audiences. I don't see the demographic that gave us Donald Trump enjoying being lectured on feminism. Especially since studies tend to show women being more catty and backstabbing than men.

Am i a bad person if i say that i like the "IDEA" of DCEU Wonder Woman better than the one we usually get in the comics?

I'm tired of this constant take where Wonder Woman's a fish out of the water that sees herself as superior to humanity and is totally oblivious about other cultures and social mores despite wanting to teach people how to live their lives better. Specially when they use this characterization to portray her as a haughty and naive goddess who's prone to moody and violent behavior, and that needs Superman to teach her how to be more understanding and compassionate with the humans she swore to safeguard.

The DCEU version is older, is more understanding of the human nature (although i could do away with her cynicism), is more experienced, is more collected.

>>89384634

>That's managed to be diluted but still remains true of Wonder Woman today

Eh... i'd say Mark Waid's shitty interpretation of the character in Kingdom Come because the default personality nowadays, unfortunately.

>>89381643
Fingers crossed for identical grandson also named Steve.

>>89384660

Superman in the DCEU identifies himself more with Earth than with Krypton. Hell, he killed Krypton himself in way. He was just distrustful of others, for a bit, and this mostly because the plot called for Superman and the military to trust each other during the climax of the movie.

But i agree that the movie, MoS, failed in not showing connecting with others during his formative years. They show that Peter's a good friend, but we don't see them hanging out much. It feels empty.

>>89384749

I feel they aren't going there. They've been setting her and Batman as an item. Batman's even in the movie, not to mention he's the one who got the physical photo she had been searching for and which serve as the excuse for the flashback showing what went down during WWI.

>>89384679
>You're assuming the DCEU has a writer capable of making that stick with general audiences.
No I'm not. I don't think the DCEU has any writers of worth period.
The anon was asking why, traditionally, Wonder Woman is able to argue in favor of gender politics. I just answered why by citing the original premise; which states that Diana can lecture people because "women are better".

>>89384112
Eh not really.

>>89384116
No because I actually will enjoy the movie.
If I didn't I'd be willing to admit it, just like I do with like Ironman 3.

>>89384772
>Superman in the DCEU identifies himself more with Earth than with Krypton.
I disagree. I think they spent enough time in the first movie showcasing his alienation to imply that he doesn't. Let's not forget that in the conversation he has with Lois (the longest converation he's had with anyone not in the Kent family at that point) he says Krypton is his world.
Let's also not forget that it's not until the very end of BvS that he goes "You are my world" and accepts Earth as his home.

I also didn't really get the sense that Pete was much of a friend, but more power to you if you did.

>>89378393
>lead actress can't act
>snyder involvement
>woman director
>chris pine
>le germans are evil

>>89384872
Wait Chris Pines is a bad thing, now?
Since when?

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>>89378745
>WW fan
>implying Azzarello is a fan of ANY capeshit & is just paying the rent with it

>>89384858

>I think they spent enough time in the first movie showcasing his alienation to imply that he doesn't.

His alienation was because he feared being found as an alien by others, specially when his father sacrificed his life to keep him hidden.

>in the conversation he has with Lois (the longest converation he's had with anyone not in the Kent family at that point) he says Krypton is his world.

The one from MoS or BvS? In MoS he just wanted to explain what the "S" stood for in Kryptonian, something he had just learned.

>Let's also not forget that it's not until the very end of BvS that he goes "You are my world" and accepts Earth as his home.

He said that because he felt betrayed by the world. The phrase wasn't also about him accepting Earth, but him finding strength in Lois to continue life as Superman despite the hardships that may come.

>I also didn't really get the sense that Pete was much of a friend

Pete was there in his funeral, though.

>>89384872
>le germans are evil
3/10
tipped your hand.
back to /pol/

>>89384940
>Azzerello doesn't like capeshit
And you base this on what?

>>89384928
He's the new Brendan Fraser. I call 'em as I see 'em.

The biggest problem is her original origin stories with the bondage and dyke undertones.

>>89378854
This.

I've got a feeling that the more cerebral feminists will call the movie out for the right reasons, but the more reactionary types will defend it unto death no matter how many mist-steps, similar to Ghostbusters.

>>89384872
Germs are evil, just look at history and actual EU politics. The only export wars, misery and (((work taxation))) ((((Bismark))) invention). And remember about colonization, Poles don't need rape people of color to be rich, the use forks and poo in the loo (louvre doesn't has toilets in middle ages).

>>89378985
Thats so dumb I believe WB would actually do it.

Why is Jimmy Olsen dead? The only things connecting Supes to humanity are vaginas.

>>89384828
You don't know that you'll enjoy the movie

saying that makes it seem like you're forcing yourself to like it for whatever reason

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>>89381475
>Trevor mysteriously disappeared over the Bermuda triangle after WWI trying to find Paradise Island again.
>In JL2 he is alive as a slave/escaped slave on Apokolips
>Time moves slower here cuz of reasons so same age
>Freed & reunited with Wondy, now she shows HIM the outside world & how its changed.
>Comes back for WW 3 but gets killed anyway

My dad works for N̶i̶n̶t̶e̶n̶d̶o̶ Warner Brothers.

>>89384969
>>89385046
Fuck off, the Germans aren't responsible for WW1. I'd understand if it was WW2, but this is pure agenda bullshit.

>>89385261

Honest question about this pic, i was reading the original JLA comics and noticed that Batman and Wonder Woman used to be like super-buddies. When exactly did that stopped?

>>89384537
>People fuck during wars a lot, bro.

Rape is also pretty prevalent. Now THAT would be a twist. Having her being gang raped by the villains near the end be the deciding factor in her disillusionment instead of the war. She's supposed to be a warrior, a battle shouldn't have such an effect on her. But having her body be violated by multiple men, used and fucked without pity, that could break her.

>>89385330
>Having her being gang raped

Do you have ANY idea what kind of Nth-level shitstorm that would cause? Even executives wouldn't be safe.

Don't get me wrong, the fallout from that would be amazing & it would kill the entire movie line as it stands...but I don't think even they are that dumb and we wouldn't be that lucky...

>>89384969
Germans are always evil. Just see how they are currently fucking Europe with their financial war.

>>89378789
Which is why Wondie should be doing what she was created to do; punch Nazis.

>>89378575
Write something good first.

>>89378601
Make her punk then.

>>89385556
All things considered, I'd put Vegas odds on it. But yea, I would love such a scene precisely because of the shitstorm. Wonder Woman was always defined by her gender and femininity. Regardless of anything else. A rape would be a powerful moment for her, and have modern feminists blow a collective gasket. It would be awesome!

>>89385321
When DC started to push SM/WW

>>89385928
>>89386220

I was dumb, sorry. I thought it was a question.

>>89378377
Why is this set in WW1? She started out fighting Nazis? How come she can't kill Nazis?

>>89386268
But she is killing nazis goyim ;)

>>89384989
Wait Brendan Fraser is a bad thing, now?
SINCE WHEN?

>>89386268

Because they wanted to copy the TV show, which is where normies know her from, but they also wanted to explain how she remained unknown all this time in the world, something that would be impossible if she had played a key part during WWII.

So this leaves WWI, which there isn't THAT much information about. Also, Snyder has a boner for WWI.

>>89386268
Saving them for the sequel?
Worked out well with saving evil Sinestro for GL 2 ... Right? ... Right?

>>89385274
>>89385274
The German government encouraged Austro-Hungary to enforce an ultimatum against a country that had no means to meet it's demands knowing full well the repercussions it would have amidst the web of European alliances.

The scale of WW1 is 100% Germany's fault

>>89381624
>box office poison
>no muscle mass
>can't act

Why did they cast her again

>>89386681
Isn't she friends or related to some higher up producer or something?

Why do they spend so much on marketing, but never seem like they do any marketing research?

>>89385261
Question for the comic experts of /co/ (if there are any left): Paradise Island being located in the Bermuda Triangle started with the show or not?

Because apparently it was implied it was located in the Pacific Ocean originally (which makes sense in regard to how the origin was tied to jap spies, but leaves it far too distant from Washington DC)

And I don't feel like checking hundreds of issues to see if it was located in the Bermuda Triangle at some point

In any case, Themyscira will most likely be located in the Aegean Sea in the movie.

>>89386681
Cause she's hot and while she's not the greatest actor she isn't bad.

If Angeline Jolie was younger she'd prolly be WW instead, and the only good acting she ever did was in Bone Collector.

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>>89387043
>Cause she's hot

>>89387043
> she's hot
We're gonna have to disagree there buddy.

>>89387043
>Cause she's hot
In whatever makeup they put her in, she looks like a poorly paid pornstar though.

>>89387043
>Its_time_to_stop_posting.jpeg

How do you guys think Snyderkeks will handle the this inevitable failure?

Will the butthurt team up of DC fans and feminists break the internet forever?

>>89387043
Wrong. Wrong on all accounts!

>>89386476
Yeah, not Serbians for pulling shit or Austro-Hungary for actually starting it. It was the Nazis, right?

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>>89387043
>Cause she's hot

>literally comes from a warrior tribe
>HUUUR FUCK THIS GAY EARTH AND THEIR WARS

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>>89387043
Imagine

>>89387427
Yes. Austro Hungary and Serbia both only possessed minor armed forces. It was German encouragement and military contribution to carry out the Ultimatum which triggered the alliances to throw down all their cards over what should have just been a minor dispute in the asscrack of Europe.

>>89387043
She has a pretty face, but no, she isn't really hot. And she can not act in any sense of the word. You're literally wrong in every single thing you said.

>>89384955
man I never once said they didn't have decent enough reasons (to their minds anyway) for it.. Justification of Clark being a loner for the vast majority of these movies is not negation of him being a loner for the vast majority of these movies.

He's just not very personable and the movies paint him as "the other" rather than the everyman. Clark having a social life or Superman talking and connecting with people was considered low priority enough that Snyder looked at Superman's Pal and thought htat'd be good cannon fodder.

>>89387727
Where is Jimmy Olsen?
That's basically all you have to ask of Supes portrayal by Snyder. He has no connection to humans except mommy, excuse me MARTHA, and his human fucktoy.

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>mfw the movie will just be dreary and depressing and unfun

>>89388416
I was rewatching ATLA recently and realized that Aang accomplishes in twelve minutes what took Snyder's Superman a movie and a half to do: Man up and save people you don't know at the cost of sacrificing yourself, because you have special powers and that's the right thing.

Also, how the ever-living fuck is this Superman, one who had lived his entire life on Earth with human parents and only recently found out about Krypton, supposed to be some distant, alienated outsider? Is it because Ma and Pa Kent told him to do that? Because they did, and if that's the only reason then I'm just rambling and oh god just kill me already.

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>>89390090
>He hasn't head about all the "fun" in this movie
It's gonna be nonstop fun! Wall-to-wall fun! We can't stress enough how FUN this movie will be!

>>89386681
>Why did they cast her again
Because she's jewish.

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>>89387665
>She has a pretty face

>>89390298
this scene is actually a fart joke

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>>89386681

She was at the Golden Globe.
WTF is happening?

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>>89390479
She's the next big thing

>>89390476
>The sound editors retroactively add in fart noises every time Gal makes that face to add levity
>Movie ends up with 107 fart jokes

>>89386681
The Jews

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>>89390526

>>89386681
Because Wonder Woman is supposed to be the most beautiful woman in the world, and Hollywood is so out of touch with normal people that they think an anorexic waif like Gadot is what men like.

>>89390298
>>He hasn't head about all the "fun" in this movie
>It's gonna be nonstop fun! Wall-to-wall fun! We can't stress enough how FUN this movie will be!
Alright I'll bite: How can you make a movie with this plot be fun without being cringe?

>Too depressing
Alright will lighten up a little bit
>Too unfunny
That's because we put them in near the last minute with re-shoots

>I want a good movie

this is impossible with all theses chefs in the kitchen
>>89394422
>Hollywood is so out of touch with normal people that they think an anorexic waif like Gadot is what men like.
Did the UN dislike Wonder woman because she too much of a "porn star" to be a rep?

Gal is the "safest" look she can have now.

>>89378377
Do you remember how awful masters of the universe was aside from Skeletor's epic rants? Pretty much the same shit, right down to the skeletor (except its a woman skeleton so we don't give a shit what it has to say).

>>89378377
When is the Blu-ray release?

>>89395767

>Do you remember how awful masters of the universe was aside from Skeletor's epic rants?

No, i don't. That movie was great.

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>>89395510
>Gal is the "safest" look she can have now.

>>89395798

One week after the release

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>>89378377
She is going to train to get to black belt. She and Tao Okamoto will never meet...

She is just some rich girl who got to play a part in what was expected as a big movie.

Got herself a tattoo for no reason just to show how much of a rich slut she is.

Yeah I envy her. She still lives with her parents despite all that but is not seen as a weirdo...

>>89395798
Direct to DVD my man.

>>89395814
It was ahead of its time.

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>>89396008
>>Gal is the "safest" look she can have now.
>pretty, but not secy
> not fat or too skinny

>>89378572
>the spear thing was more an excalibur thing
It was a lance of loginus

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>>89387043
>Cause she's hot

>>89386681
Affleck picked her.

>>89395510
I dont give a damn if the director is woman or if the script is mess
I could see the movie anyway
But with Gadot an anorexic Wonder Woman
no way

>>89378603
>The 'new direction' has almost nothing in common with what makes the character great or popular
Because what makes her popular is timing and you can only be the first superheroine once.

>>89378876
make all sides despicable and Wonder Woman ends up getting exploited to further geopolitical rivalries after objecting and getting ignored to Germany getting shafted by reparations after WW2 and her sticking up for womankind getting nothing accomplished whatsoever despite saving the world.

>>89395767
>Do you remember how awful masters of the universe was
Go fuck yourself. Severely. The movie was awesome.

>>89396473
She wasn't the first superheroine. That already proves your point false.

I love gladiator WW but I also hopes that she like punches a tank with her bare hands like in the cartoons.

>>89396053
I feel that to be worthy of her, I have to be a martial arts expert.