What would it take for a human resistance to have a chance against

>>89264722
>What would it take for a human resistance to have a chance against Homeworld?
For Homeworld to stop caring about Earth.

>>89264745
So much for human spirit.
>>89264722
Modern technology as it is can already stop a gem force with realative ease, but if we had the zapper jasper used and the breaking point we'd be even better off. Not sure what we could do against the ships though considering Rose's Light Cannon did jack shit against one.

>>89264722
For the US government to give a rat's ass about a beach location.

Seriously, gems are absolutely fucked against humanity's armies. Shit, even a fucking above average intelligent chemist would figure out what materials the enemies are and corrode them out of existence.

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>>89264722
They're pretty easy. The whole race is perceptible to sound and vibration weapons.

0 chance.
Gems are retarded but stupidly and illogically strong.

Retard strength in alien form.

>>89265577
What song would you blast out of a sound canon to save your country from the gem invasion?

>>89264722
None, they can just bomb our armies from orbit while we cant touch them.

In a grounded war I doubt our tanks could kill Jaspers since Jasper is really fucking durable(ignore the Peridot bullshit) meaning we would need lots of artillery to take out their military fodders.

Things like Lapis is gameover since one alone can turn the ocean into a weapon of mass destruction.

>>89265577
Really? I don't remember them being susceptible to sound. What episode was this?

>>89265820
>(ignore the Peridot bullshit)
>ignore the point that makes this an obsolete statement.

>Things like Lapis is gameover since one alone can turn the ocean into a weapon of mass destruction.
You mean the Lapis that was poofed from being punched? If a Lapis ever attempted to drain the ocean from above, we could always just ram a jet into her.

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We need giant robots.

>>89264722
Gems are retards, specially at war, humans in the show are also retards AND cowards, so humans in the show are fucked.

Real humans with non retard gems (as in they act like they know what they're doing) would lose before they even know they're in danger.

Same with SU humans vs non retard gems.

Real world humans vs retard gems could in fact repel them on their own, they most like dont understand war like we do and most likely arent used to time the way we do so battles wont be as often (or else the 1000 year war would've a dead count on the billions). Gem tech is impresive but thats not how they do war, and if they havent changed in all of those years then they're not going to change anytime soon. The light canon not working on the ship is most likely something very specific to nullify light atacks and MIGHT go down with enough punishment, unless it runs on bullshit magic that makes it so that a nuclear warhead does jackshit, and even then i would still put my money on humans.

>>89265979
>Giant robots shouldn't fight!
Only time I didn't believe in Steven.

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Can I just use this as an opportunity to say I hate the trope where aliens/magic beings/kaiju/whatever, just straight up no sells everything normal humans could throw at them, most of the time including nukes.

Its just such a cheap way of making things threatening, and it mostly just indicates that the plot is running on bullshit.

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They'd need a weapon like the RYNO V.

Well that or a sonic weapon that can key into the resonant frequency of a Gem's gemstone and shatter them from a distance

>>89264910
All it takes is one planet cracker, anon. They are at least a tier 2 civilization. Humanity simply cannot compete with a civilization a full tier above them no matter the Independence Day shit that one dreams about pulling off.

>>89266137
I think that it comes from an idea that an enemy should be portrayed strong so that the protagonist could overcome the odds and win. When you portray the enemy as weak, you lessen the impact of the protagonist's victory.

>>89266182
Why did you need to spoiler that?

>>89265900
In the very same episode Jasper collapses A FUCKING CLIFF by hitting it and moves afterwards like nothing happened. The metal thing poofing her is inconsistent PLOT INDUCED STUPIDITY.

>>89266199
>All it takes is one planet cracker, anon.
One they wouldn't use initially as they want the planet for resources. Disregarding that however, the opening statement was what would it take, not how it could be done.

>>89266235
In a different thread an anon pointed out the possibility that gems might be resistant to force inducing attacks, but weak to penetrating ones.

>>89266137
Nanoscience can easily engineer material that is immune to nukes because nanotechnology can affects matter on a level which explains HOW OBJECTS CAN BE BROKEN OR DESTROYED, by simply creating artificial particle structures with a higher resistance you can make something as light as paper still indestructable to the force of a nuclear warhead.

>>89265872

Monster Reunion, Cetipeedle pokken s the weapon that the Diamonds used to corrupt Earth's Gems as a song.

And now you have VERY uncomfortable thoughts about Jasper's "Stop singing!" line from Jailbreak forming in your head.

>>89266277
So it's a magic song?

>>89266267
>might be resistant to force inducing attacks, but weak to penetrating ones.
Its all the same thing anon kinetic energy.

Also Jasper no sells Ameythst's whips that can destroy FUCKING TRASH CANS WITH A CASUAL SWING, thats far more force than any gun on earth. Lets not get started on how durable the fucking fusions are.

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>>89266052
One day we will all understand, a giant robot is the manifestation of humankind's struggle.
To become GOD or... the DEVIL.

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>>89266226

Because I know a few people that are only here to scan the thread for ways to protect their worthless rocks.

>>89264722
Better than you might expect.

Gems have been shown to survive large blunt impacts, such as a high speed fall, but smaller piercing attacks, such as the training sword, can pierce them and destroy their hard light bodies. The gems themselves are also not incredibly durable; Amethyst's was cracked by falling on a rock at no less than terminal velocity.
I suspect their durability to wide impacts over more focused pressure is because gems are adapted to high-G space travel, but aren't actually adapted to war.
With this evidence, we can assume they can be harmed by conventional weaponry.

It's hard to gauge a Gem's exact combat ability compared to a human due to the fact we haven't seen an expert fight seriously, but it's notable that Pearl, the CG's dedicated fencer, was put on her toes by a 12 year old girl with only a few weeks of training, so it's not inconceivable that a well trained human or group of humans can overcome a Gem in CQC, especially if better equipment is developed.
The Gem's specialized weapons, while powerful, to almost always be melee, putting them at a severe disadvantage because modern humanity prefers ranged combat in the first place.

Moreover, Gems are just plain awful at battle strategies. They clearly rely too heavily on overpowered war machines and don't seem to have experience with combat against anything that can put up a fight. This is why we've only seen one soldier, an engineer, and half a dozen retards come in to even maybe try to apprehend the group of Gems that killed one of their world leaders. An Earth invasion would be MAYBE a few dozen assorted gems.

And while Gem tech is undeniably advanced, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for humanity to steal and reverse engineer it.

The only issue is that I'm applying this logic to real humanity; humans in SU are somehow more incompetent than the Gems themselves.

>>89266342
Yes, but why did you spoiler that?

>>89266362
>Amethyst's was cracked by falling on a rock at no less than terminal velocity
Plot induced stupidity, Ameythst was thrown indirectly into the Redeye and got up like nothing happened, thats far more impact than falling on a rock from hundreds of feet.

>>89266321
>Its all the same thing anon kinetic energy.
not great on science, but the kinetic energy would be dispersed in a force induced as opposed to penetrating, thus making it weaker.

> far more force than any gun on earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F-_jVlDxp4
Doesn't take much to pull a trigger.

>>89266204
True, but to me there's many was to make a villain threatening without resorting to playground "I have an anti-everything forcefield and a kill everything gun". And to me it kinda cheapens the protagonists victory because most of the time in these cases they rightfully loose and the author has to save their ass.

>>89266271
I'm not taking about the possibility of these things on a scientific level. Only how cheap they are on a storytelling level.

>>89266362
>humans in SU are somehow more incompetent than the Gems themselves.

That's probably due to curiosity being stunted in a majority of SU's human population.

>>89266309

I wouldn't describe it as "magic" in the traditional sense, but it clearly does something to a Gem's state of mind when they're exposed to it.

>>89266271
>Nanomachines, son!

You better be the greatest alien scientist from ten thousand years in the future or else im going to say you pulled that one out of your ass.

>>89266362
>The Gem's specialized weapons, while powerful, to almost always be melee, putting them at a severe disadvantage because modern humanity prefers ranged combat in the first place.

Completely ignoring their ability to fuse to embiggen their range and destructive potential

>>89266415
Anon the garbage cans Im talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA8mh-Pe8WM

>>89266362
They can see the future and have time travel magic.

This is OP in a war.

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>>89265779
https://youtu.be/U1mlCPMYtPk
I am fully erect

>>89266481
Yeah and the one I posted was a simple rifle. We have more powerful guns out their anon.

>>89266450
Humans today already have made simple nanomachines meaning ayys 400 years ahead from us would be well tuned in nanoscience, the gems are thousands of years ahead of us due to how advanced their technology is THAT IT APPEARS TO BE MAGIC.

>>89265900
>You mean the Lapis that was poofed from being punched?

Good luck trying to find something of the size of a teenage girl that might be on any place OF THE FUI KING PLANET.

She just need to remove Earth's water for 3 days to the entire Earth forces to be fucked.

>>89266462
For whatever reason, Fusion is heavily frowned upon by Homeworld Gems. It would be pretty bad if they did, but they would only do it if they were desperate.

This can be circumvented by either targeting loners or simply killing them quickly with a coordinated strike, before they can fuse.

>>89266510
Ameythst is stronger than any gun on earth.

>>89266462
The only fusion we've seen is the cannon fodder, who's to say the bigger units would fuse? Cross-gem fusion is just an earth thing, don't you remember the courts reaction to garnet? I'd also like to point out that the jasper we've seen is canonically far above average. Do any of you even watch the show?

>>89266569
>Fusion is heavily frowned upon by Homeworld Gems.
It's not.

>>89266569
Gems fuse without problem with gems of the same type and caste.

>>89266569
>Fusion is heavily frowned upon by Homeworld Gems
Cross Fusion is frowned upon.

One Jasper is already on par with a a kiloton bomb in terms of destructive capacity based on her destroying a cliff casually. Now just imagine how unstoppable a fusion of 200 Jaspers would be.

>>89266621
We haven't seen any bigger units fuse though, it's always just the lil guys

>>89266662
>One Jasper is already on par with a a kiloton bomb in terms of destructive capacity based on her destroying a cliff casually.
wat

>>89266567
>good luck trying to find a gem literally draining your ocean while you are in a war with said gem's world
You're hilarious, and Lapis needs to be near the water in order to control it.

>>89266594
You are hilarious. It seems a lot of people here need to brush up on modern technology. I'm not saying we have the greatest of chances, but you are all severely underestimating actual capabilities of the weapons we have today.
.

>>89266491
First song that came to my mind actually.

>>89266669
We saw holographs of giant Quartz when Garnet described the war.

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>>89266594
Say that to my obrez fucker not online.

>>89266662
She's the perfect jasper though. Peridot went on and on about how great her exit hole was. That means she is the Aryan master race of Jaspers, let alone other gems. Most of the other Jaspers are probably really shitty

>>89266709
Gun anon Ameythst is like a missile that can walk and attack all the time based on how much force her whips can dish out casually. Ameythst would kill a blue whale by just punching it once because thats how much force she can dish out casually. Since AMEYTHST IS SUPPOSED TO BE DEFORMED FODDER GEM THATS SHOW US HOW FUCKING POWERFUL THE REGULAR AMEYTHSTS LIKE THE ONES IN THE ZOO ARE COMPARED TO HER.

>>89266709
>You're hilarious, and Lapis needs to be near the water in order to control it.

Nigga.

How do you think that someone will find a teenage girl in the middle of the ocean.

Really.

How?

People needed years to find fucking Bin Laden.

Lapis could just hide on a submarine cave on the middle of the ocean.

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Simple, we find lifeforms that Gems can't defend themselves from and use them as weapons.

>>89266709
Once gems have something that can no sell up to 400 megatons we cant do jackshit to them. They would also blow up every nuke we throw at them with their lasers FROM ORBIT.

>>89266519
>something is possible today that means everything is possible in the future
That's not how it works

>>89266137
Actually I find it more stupid when humans can do anything to harm a species high enough up the tech tree to have mastered FTL interstellar flight, I don't think most people appreciate how hard a challenge that is to overcome and that it should probably always imply near godhood

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/steven-universe-respect-feats.346395/#post-20694916

Read this to see how powerful gems are individually.

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Just give her the Pile D

>>89266784
>People needed years to find fucking Bin Laden.
Maybe because Bin Laden wasn't draining the ocean.

>>89266865
I know we can't do jackshit against the ships, I was discussing the gems themselves

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>>89266965
My nigga.

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>>89266966
More force than most missiles.

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>>89266519
Yeah, anon, i know, i just wanted to say "Nanomachines, son!" meme for the first time ever, sue me.

>>89266966
>Maybe because Bin Laden wasn't draining the ocean.

Lapis can do it from any place on the world.

How the hell you think they will find her? Seriously speak your reasoning. What is the plan?

Thunder wells & casaba howitzers, son.

Peridot survived a multi ton objects falling on her and got up like nothing happened, guns and basic explosives aint doing shit to her.

>>89267051
>Sand
You're going to have to do better than that

>>89267128
Radar and graphs that records shifts in ocean currents and activity. Now expand that to military use. How about you explain exactly where she is going to put the water in order to drain the Earth without us noticing it.

>>89264722
The gem's only major advantage are the Saphires. Future vision may ultimately trump anything we can throw at them, even if the range is as short as they imply they could ruin any surprise attack.

Disregarding that we have a pretty good chance if we assume the SUmans have modern tech and basic competance.

>>89267128

By observing ocean currents and stuff like that. If someone notices a part of the ocean and something looks a bit off, then they can assume that Lapis is knocking about somewhere in that area.

>>89267185
Do you know how fucking big that sand structure is?

>>89267185
>without noticing it

Man, Lapis makes two or three water towers in different places, while hidding in a fourth place.

Done.

Noticing or not doesn't matter.

If Lapis can manipulate the entire ocean, she can make a water tower away from her.

>>89267212
Anon a volume of water the size of say a mountain dropped on an army would kill that army from the sheer kinetic energy, Lapis could crack continents on earth due to the sheer energy OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING OCEAN.

>>89267265
Sure, but how dense is it considering it's not packed and instead held up by a gem? That we can only assume. The Twin Towers were pretty big too, doesn't mean they were hard to knock over.

>>89267309
The bottom line is this is just one fodder fighter gem, not even a fusion.

>>89267297
Lapis has only been shown to control water in her vicinity, unless you have evidence, you can't just say she'll make it wherever.

>>89267368
>Lapis has only been shown to control water in her vicinity


The fact that she controled the water from the other side of the world to remove all of Earth's oceans.

>>89267366
>they fuse
>we get more men.
I'm sure you are well versed on power-levels but do you even understand the basics of combat? There is a lot more to it than brute strength.

>>89267412
What episode are you talking about?

>>89265779

https://youtu.be/z5rRZdiu1UE

>>89267212

QUIT. TALKING. SHIT.

>>89267368
Lapis has show planetary scale water manipulation.

She was literaly on a tower on space controling strong as fuck water clone below.

>>89267417
Brute strength doesnt mean shit because their power level multiples when they fuse dumbass. All it takes is about 200 Jaspers to make nukes useless on them.

Just imagine how ungodly strange a fusion of only 5 Lapis Lazulis would be.

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>>89266415
>Hickock45
I want to see him ring the gong against a group of gems and win(ammunition provided by Federal of course)

>>89267368
She was able to have precise control of 4-5 water clones on the drained sea bed while she was high above in outer atmosphere.

>an Agate terrifies

what's so scarry about agate?

>>89267508
She's part-drill sergeant, part-sadistic-schoolteacher.

>>89267492
It seems that one is enough to terraform a planet, Lapis is already enough to make any huma weapon useless, she controls the whole damn ocean

>>89267480
>>89267507
>She was literaly on a tower on space controling strong as fuck water clone below.
Exactly she was ON a tower. She was in proximity of water still and the clones were in proximity of the tower she was controlling. She was also doing a poor job of hiding. We could easily find her was my point.

>>89267492
Could they even control a fusion of 200 easily? We don't know the limits a fusion has before it becomes unstable. The highest number we've seen is 5 rubies who were all dumb as shit.

>>89267584
And yet she was taken out with a punch

>>89267447
Her second appereance dude.

Fusion is actually genius, the more gems they mass produce the more super weapons with a consiousness they can create.

The very brokenness of Fusion logically make gems impossible to defeat because as a last resort they can all fuse with eachother to become unstoppable.
>>89267608
In same caste fusions its implied they are a unified consiousness.

>>89267608
>Exactly she was ON a tower.


Nigga, to make that tower she used water from the other side of the planet.

>>89265779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRhg2zvalXc

>>89267180
But the focused pressure of Garnet's fingers on her torso poofed her. Guns will do just fine.

>>89267492
>nukes
>useless
Nothing can withstand direct hit by a nuke

>>89267674
She pulled it in, she didn't control it from the opposite side of the world.

>>89267708
Garnet is more powerful than Ameythst anon of course she can dish out more force than a multi ton object dropping on her.
>>89267725
Except a mountain.

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>Not beating up individual gems so they poof and taking their gems to stuff into weapons to give to actually competent people

Gem technology is thousands of years ahead of earth's. It's laughable that people here think earth could stand a chance. If they wanted they'd just send a couple hundred red eyes or shooting stars and blow up the planet.

>>89267766
>The weapons turn on you
Wow.

>>89264722

>Lapis funnels all of water into orbit dooming earth

>Earth literally gets fingerbanged by giant gem ships from orbit

>unstoppable mutant gems unleashed on the ground to destroy the stragglers

>or simply make another Cluster


Magic science > normal science

>>89265900
>You mean the Lapis that was poofed from being punched?
Bruh. A Ruby ship can go from way out in space to earth's surface in seconds. All they would need is one ship to come down over the middle of the ocean, one Lapis to step out and take away all of the water on the planet, and the earth would be done. No fighter jet or missile is fast enough to respond to warp technology.

>>89267766
Why do you retards think humans could reverse engineer alien technology that is magic to us?

>>89267674
That tower only got a few kilometers high. The only people on earth "missing their ocean" was Beach City, a single coast. That tower coming down was harmless even to beach city. It was a half baked plan that wasn't going to work cooked up by a scared girl who hoped her limited ability would work for what she intended if she had enough water.

Now, here is the real weakness. She has never been shown to be able to control water she wasn't at least in sight of. If she's controlling any water she is close to it.

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>>89264722
I'm not really fond of SU right now, but I think it would be really cool if in the future it was revealed that humanity has crazy levels of technology due to studying gem-tech.

They don't interfere with Gem stuff because they have their own issues to deal with, and don't see them as a threat.

>>89267872
Dude the average Gem ship can move ludicrously fast like crossing thousands of light years in mere minutes.

If we posed a threat to them they could retreat to space thousands of light years away then think of a new plan to fuck us up.

>>89267764
Garnet has been shown to have limits to her strength and she has had to get creative. These limits have not been higher than the amount of force Peridot sustained trying to catch the warbler in the canyon. It means that the force spread out she can deal with just fine, easy when you don't actually have bones or organs. But focused pressure disrupted her and she couldn't stay together.

Guns will work. You'd want .50 cal against Quartzes most likely, but guns will work.

>>89266137
It's pretty valid when facing alien forces far ahead of us. Even two or three hundred years ahead and I'd expect a race to outpace nukes. The stupid thing is that aliens always fight on more or less our primitive terms. If you've acheived faster than light travel all you'd need is to point a ship at earth and forget about it. The earth will be obliterated instantly.

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>>89267890
I desagreee, but anyway...

A single Lapis can do an unlimited army of extremely powerful water clones that are immune to bullets.

>>89267987
Garnet fucks around because of plot anon, the only time we even see close to Garnet's true power was in the episode where Pearl and Ameythst were having a feud and Garnet enlarges her fucking limbs to fight against them.

>>89267872
Once again I will reiterate my point. I was discussing our potential against gem's themselves, not against their ships.

>>89267884
Because firstly it isn't magic and secondly, reverse-engineering is a lot simpler than you make it out to be. With the right team of scientist and the technology all ready made, it's pretty easy to recreate it. I don't know how to make a Samsung phone, nut I can easily dismantle mine and figure out which parts do what without a manual.

>>89268024
Then we wouldn't focus on the clones and instead go straight to Lapis, and I'm pretty sure the clones would be limited on water supply.

>>89267704

ATTERO

DOMINATUS

>>89267969
Fucking Lapis can travel alone between planets.

>>89268094
>, it's pretty easy to recreate it
Their technology doesnt use electromagnetism as a base its complete incomprehensible witchcraft to us.

>>89268065
In that case Peridot imitated a Road Runner cartoon because of plot. But nice to know that you think outside of comedic moments Garnet holds herself back arbitrarily.

>>89268097
BERLIN IS BURNING

>>89268094
>go straight to Lapis
Before you could blink Lapis would be already in the Moon's orbit.

>>89267770
>steal technology
>reverse-engineer it
>???
>profit

>>89266362
>It's hard to gauge a Gem's exact combat ability compared to a human due to the fact we haven't seen an expert fight seriously
In Rose's secret base there were a bunch of armors of ancient human knights who fought alongside rose with swords and shit. It's pretty safe to say a human can take on a gem in melee.

In all out war the gems win of course because of orbital weapons and stuff.
>while Gem tech is undeniably advanced, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for humanity to steal and reverse engineer it.
I don't know about that. It doesn't look like the gems even use circuitry anymore.

>>89268184
>a human can take on a gem in melee.
Mini Peridot can already manhandle a human man, soldier gems would kill you in one hit from a single casual punch. Elite soldier gems could probably survive tank strikes and kiloton bombings.

>>89268024
Yeah, the water clone thing would be the closest thing a Lapis has to a broken ability.

>>89268094
>Then we wouldn't focus on the clones and instead go straight to Lapis

Good luck doing this while being attacked by invicible clones, giant Quartz, gems that see the future and with teleportation technology.

>>89268173
That sure as hell worked in Gurren Lagann.

>>89265779
>inb4 shit taste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP_-YIhgF3w

>>89266137
Do you think that an interstellar civilization should be vulnerable to bombs strapped to rockets? That's ridiculous.

>>89268137
But it's still grounded in "science" for the most part. The concepts are all there, I't won't be easy sure, but it won't be fucking impossible.

>>89268167
I'm pretty sure Lapis's fastest speed shown was when she flew too Andy's retro plane. That's not all that impressive.

>>89268258
Snipers while our other forces deal as support.

>>89268235
Don't forget, for every quartz poofed, she will rise up again in minutes.

>>89268295
A water shield stop snipers.

Gems could take down planes easily.

This thread made me realize that Lapis Lazuli might not be a mass-produced gem, maybe even rarer than a Sapphire.

>>89268235
I wouldn't count on even The Jasper surviving a tank strike, let alone regular Quartzes.

Go back to Roman times with a cellphone and they would call it magic, this is because the concept of electromagnetic technology is alien to them, now imagine technology that still works but isnt electromagnetic then that is literal magic to us modern humans.

Our scientist could never explain how the fuck gem technology even works.
> I't won't be easy sure, but it won't be fucking impossible.
Nah its impossible I dont think you realize how mindscrewing functional non electromagnetic technology is to the human mind. All the shit we do is EM technology even down to our most advanced inventions. Alien tech that is not EM or has no circuits, wires or anything resembling electronics would BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO UNDERSTAND without a gem explaining it.

>>89267185
Dude. All she needed was a few minutes to drain the whole earth of water. Luckily she didn't just take it all into space and just sat on top of it in a column. All she'd have to do is just take it all into orbit. This wouldn't be hard. If you want to imagine some madeup scenario where we could possibly respond fast enough you can have multiple Lapises all over the world taking the water, or they could just dumb large quantities of it over land and drown everything.

>>89268323
Probably 1 or 2 per planet.

>>89268137
Not only have they used electromagnetism, but Pearl has been able to use real words and basic physics to explain any gem tech she's actually explained. Their technology isn't even complicated, just powerful.

>>89268295
>I'm pretty sure Lapis's fastest speed shown was when she flew too Andy's retro plane. That's not all that impressive.
She moved Steven from ground level to the top of the atmosphere in seconds, thats at least Mach 90 in the speed range.

>>89268299
Quartz isn't indestructible. What this means is that for each squad of superior human knights, there's one guy with a sledgehammer specifically for delivering the coup de grace.

>>89268337
Gems can manauver better than tanks.

Probably faster too.

>>89268381
Electricity doesnt do jackshit to gem tech showing they have transcended circuitry. If gems were EM, electricity would affect them.

>>89268235
Sadie vs the invisible monster?
Steven Punching his dad?
Ronaldo in the Lighthouse?

Humans are a lot more durable than you might think.

>>89268354
Roman times we're not NEARLY as advanced as we are now. Show a smart phone to the 1980's and they could reverse -engineer it fine.

>>89268362
She needed all night from what I gathered from the two episodes.

>>89268391
That wasn't herself moving. I misinterpreted what you meant I guess, I thought her herself moving.

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>>89268274
>Megadeath
>shit taste

>>89268094
>I was discussing our potential against gem's themselves
How do you think they're going to get here in the first place? Besides Lapis flew from earth to homeworld, a distance clearly millions of light years away, in a few days. She can fly as fast as warp technology on her own.

>>89268462
Most /mu/ fags on this board hate metal for whatever reason

>>89268397
You forget that military gem CAN REACT FASTER THAN HUMANS, a Jasper would knock his head off before your brain would show you the image of them balling up their fist.
>>89268443
>Ronaldo
Pearl casually blocked a punch from him and it almost broke his hand TRYING TO HIT PEARL.

>>89268443
Lapis can travel between planets.

She IS fast.

Also, gem tech has been show to fuck with human EM technology.

You just need little effort to fuck every EM gadget on the military.

>>89268485
>Most /mu/ fags on this board hate metal for whatever reason
They must be gay

>>89268295
>But it's still grounded in "science" for the most part. The concepts are all there, I't won't be easy sure, but it won't be fucking impossible.
Yeah but not impossible means hundreds of years which is not usually how long wars last.

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>>89266594
Somewhere in ameri/k/a, a man in camo is laughing in the bushes.

>>89268489
Ronaldo is a faggot though

>>89264722
>What would it take for a human resistance to have a chance against Homeworld?
I'd wager that Laser Light Cannons are more powerful than human guns and missiles, and even those seem unable to contest with the modern gem hand ships. In a pitched battle, human armies would probably be fucked.

In one episode Garnet was going to punch a space pod directly into space, thats alot of force anons.

Steven Universe is clearly not a world working on real world logic or else the show would be entirely different.

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>>89266594
I FINALLY HAVE AN EXCUSE TO POST THIS

I also just realized nothing has actually beat Steven's shield yet and HW has an entire gem caste of gems with this same invincible barrier.

>>89268489
>CAN REACT FASTER THAN HUMANS
Out of all your points this is the only one that is an outright lie. I'm not even going to post videos for this one, because there are WAY to many examples.

>>89268489
I meant when he was hit by Amethyst.

Friendly reminder that hologram pearl cutted a tree in half with a baloon sword without poping it and got fucked by a mop.

All the feats are inconsistent as all fuck and gem caracters are shown to be somewhere around literal gods to average human in terms of taking punishment, in the sense that in one episode a caracter looks like it could tank a meteor, in another it might die from slipping with the soap in the bathroom.

Their inteligence is also questionable since they are a very advace civilisation that still charges eachother with swords as means of war.

Not to mention its a cartoon, one where those aspects arent really important for the story its telling and were probably not thought out in the least. A story that most likely will end exactly like the harry potter lookalike books they've shown shoving aside everything else and will defend it by saying it was foreshadowed, even if that doesnt excuse anything.

What im trying to say is that you cant compare real life with this specific piece of fiction becouse the real life is consistent and we know what real life is, SU is "gems can and will do anything, except when its inconvienient for the story, dont think about it"

>>89268405
So when the Quartzes close on the tank the tank is done, but from a distance the tank is going to be picking off charging quartzes and likely take down a few of them.

Tank targeting is currently pinpoint accurate. Tanks and artillery are capable of firing multiple shots in the air timed as such to all hit the target simultaneously on a single point within centimeters of each other. And I am pretty sure smaller, easier to aim guns than that would still take down Quartzes just fine, too, until Jasper shows up and we need something bigger than 20mm.

>>89268433
Look who doesn't even understand basic real world tech or real world physics.

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What equipment would the U.S. military have in a direct combat engagement with gems? I imagine they'd have gear similar to the HECU marines from Half Life or something, but with larger caliber weaponry(AR-10/FAL/M14?)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j32OrAXyhEA

Giant Robots are the only answer to defeating the Silicon Meance.

Giant Robots and lots and lots of nukes

>>89268636
Garnet reacts to lightning anon and fought on par with Jasper.

>>89268272
Gurren Lagann technology is powered by spiral energy which all living beings have.

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>>89268235
Within the show we've seen that humans have fought them, dude.

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>>89268650
>but from a distance the tank is going to be picking off charging quartzes and likely take down a few of them.


Don't forget that Quartz can use an spin ball atack to get closer quickly.

And Rose's canons were stronger than any tank, while also beeing smaller and easy to manauver.

>>89268707
And your point it? The basis for the mechas came from debris found after the Anti Spirals bombed the shit out of earth. It's reverse engineering.

Can I just say how much I love that the gems have actually advanced in the years since first coming to earth? You never see that in sci-fi, the aliens hit a point that's really advanced and just stay there. In Steven Universe the aliens are still advancing and that's cool as shit.

>>89268704
>Garnet reacts to lightning
Future vision
>fought on par with Jasper.
A great point, Jasper is an elite soldier and yet can't dodge a couple of punches. Blame it on the choreography if you want, but that isn't exactly helping your case.

>>89266362
>It's hard to gauge a Gem's exact combat ability compared to a human due to the fact we haven't seen an expert fight seriously, but it's notable that Pearl, the CG's dedicated fencer, was put on her toes by a 12 year old girl with only a few weeks of training, so it's not inconceivable that a well trained human or group of humans can overcome a Gem in CQC, especially if better equipment is developed.
Pearl, the CG's "dedicated fencer" actively acknowledges that she wasn't "built to fighting", and pearls are a servant cut of gem.

>An Earth invasion would be MAYBE a few dozen assorted gems
I think you're guessing too far. The last actual Earth invasion was massive, from everything we've seen.

>And while Gem tech is undeniably advanced, I'm sure it wouldn't take long for humanity to steal and reverse engineer it.
They've had 5,000 years dude, gem technology is just magic to us. It's beyond what we can comprehend.

>>89268790
>Jasper is an elite soldier
No shes a Jasper, the elite soldier gems are another class entirely we have not seen yet.

>>89268323
Lapis is a bourgeois gem who are not mass produced or at least not produced on planets. It seems that the higher gems get in the caste system the more incredible power they have. Lapis having great control of water, Sapphire's can see the future. We haven't seen any more gems of that status so we don't know what they can do. It's kinda funny that they use gems who basically only have brute strength to fight wars but I guess that's because you want to have the power in the few, not the many.

>>89268650
Right, with that spinball thing use several 20mm Autocannons or 30mm anything. Have a tank on standby ready to point out a THE Jasper or any fusions. I'd hate to see an Amethyst or Jasper fusion similar to a Ruby fusion.

>>89268790
I doubt that Jasper see a need on dodging.

Her fighting style is going head first and taking any demage with superior endurance.

>>89268686
Gems seem to have no resistance to piercing attacks, so either 5.56 or maybe 7.62 should work fine. Tactics would have to account for the fact that Gems prefer melee range, so they'd also need area denial weapons like landmines, and decent mobility.

Melee weapons are obviously more risky, but likely inevitable during prolonged combat. Fortunately, landing a single solid blow to the chest or head should poof them. They might develop something specialized for this, like a mini-piledriver mounted on the forearm. Bayonets would also become commonplace again.

>>89268758
>have bunch of tanks
>A single quartz goes sonic the hedgehog and everytime it hits a tank it sends it flying.

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>>89265779
https://youtu.be/2HQaBWziYvY

The only acceptable answer.

>>89268758
Buddy do you know how fast tanks are nowadays. I don't think they would try to take a gem out with a tank though. Wars aren't won through sheer power.

>>89268768
Wrong. Lagann was originally Lord Genome's vessel.
The remaining mechs are what remained of humanity's forces after Genome betrayed and wrecked most of them.
All human technology.

>>89268686
I'd bring AA-12 with Frag-12 rounds, nothing but Frag-12 rounds, and I'd want some serious crew served, vehicle mounted, artillery scale firepower to deal with the truly dangerous gems.

>>89268847
Guns arent doing shit to gems anon.

>>89268825
She's a soldier, went to Earth in her own giant ship, and was stated to be perfectly made by Peridot. That seems pretty elite to me. If anything, she certainly isn't a common soldier.

>>89268844
You would end up just poofing the body, while the Jaspers rise up three minutes later.

While MORE Jaspers attack you.

>>89268354
This is true. We can only use the technology we have now because we have instructions on how to use it. We're advancing upon it in increments. Any type of technology past the few forays into quantum mechanics we have now would be impossible to figure out. The gems don't use circuitry or electromagnetism so we have no basis on how it works, stuff that advanced is probably using forces of the universe we only theorize about now. We can't make mental leaps that far.

>>89268094
>With the right team of scientist and the technology all ready made, it's pretty easy to recreate it
No, it clearly isn't, or Humans would have used the 5,000 years it's been available to us, scattered around, to reverse-engineer it. Even in Steven's time, most humans seem to think of it as magic, not because it actually is magic, but because it's built at such an advanced level, it might as well be. How do you reverse engineer a Crystal Warp pad? If you can convincingly tell me that, I'll believe you.

>>89268847
Gems also have long range weapons, like canons.

>>89268894
Anon, Pearl got poofed by a regular-ass sword going at normal speed; a gun will do perfectly fine against the others.

>>89268878
>All human technology.
Just
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVylz6esoUM
Fucking

The worst thing is that you're probably already aware of this backstory.

>>89268918
20mm and up tend to also be high explosive and will likely be cracking gems. Since it takes the fastest regenerating gem we ever saw minutes to do it we're probably going to have enough time to send someone out to give the final smash to all down gems.

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Why Tanks?
Why not the OBAMA-WAY?
Death by hundreds of drone strikes. Several of which seemingly targeting a select few in a completely different location, maiming hundreds in the process.

>>89268906
>and was stated to be perfectly made by Peridot
Perfectly made fodder.
>>89268965
Its funny how think Holo Pearl's sword strikes is comparable to a human when Holo-Pearl slices a fucking tree with a balloon.

>>89268650
>So when the Quartzes close on the tank the tank is done, but from a distance the tank is going to be picking off charging quartzes and likely take down a few of them.
Gems do use ranged weaponry. Their bows and arrows are probably as strong as tank artillery and with the same rapid fire ability. And quartzes, amethysts, and jaspers are all the same class and probably have the same or similar abilities.

>>89268292
How are they not? Interstellar travel technology doesn't make you immune to bombs.

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>>89268979
Well I was wrong. Been a while, but yeah, this was the video I was (mis)remembering.

>Susceptible to light, pressure, sound, and vibration
>Jasper slowly stepping down was apparently enough to risk shattering Amethyst's gem
>Gems are in obvious locations on the body
>Entire race thinks humans are retarded and weak and that they can go easy on us because of the cluster
We'll be fine

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>>89268998
>go on the middle of the battle field to smash a gem
>avoid all the other quartz still atacking
>smash a gem
>gets attacked by limbs of smashed gems anyway

>>89268624
Funny. Why would you want a gun that can be taken from you in a manned siege? Isn't that why most gun nuts like guns?

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>tanks

>>89268940
Humans shown in the show are also incompetent as fuck and don't give two shits about anything.

>How do you reverse engineer a Crystal Warp pad?
I'm no scientist so fuck if I know, nor do I have a team with me or a working sample. However if I had to guess, the crystal material itself has properties that can connect to others and transport items by manipulating molecules. It's triggered by thought, but can also be activated by a Warp Whistle, so it must activate on some kind of frequency.

>>89265820
We have anti-satellite missiles. All we need is an anti satellite missile with a warhead filled with whatever chemical dissolves the gems. Use cluster warheads for extra effect.

Again, in a surface war, all you need is shells filled with whatever chemical dissolves your enemies. Or just high velocity weaponry (i.e. guns)

>>89267128
"Hmmm, the ocean is being drained in a very specific way..."

"Okay, let's observe where the water is flowing to."

"Okay, it must be being drained from here. Let's dispatch a team to recon what's going on"

"Oh, looks like a fucking gem creature is draining the ocean."

>>89267298
>Volume of water the size of a mountain
>Wouldn't be able to detect it on radar long before it was over land
>Would be able to drain the entire ocean without anyone noticing anything different

>>89265779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQoA_wjmE9w

>>89265577
Any attempt to fight in atmosphere would be useless on their behalf. We already have sonic weapons.

>>89268647
People are just using the strongest we've seen the gems as a thought experiment. It's dumb and doesn't make any sense but it's fun.

>>89269120
Impossible, the sheer number of men surrounding it while masturbating to how awsome it is would completely block any attempts to capture it.

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>Tanks
>implying

>>89269171
You know that all of those scenarios are of a single Lapis alone right?

If she had support, good luck being able to reach enough to attack her.

>>89269171
>whatever chemical dissolves the gems
>dissolve
Gems are made of a clusterfuck of minerals you cant dissolve them dumbass.
>muh acid
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>IMPLYING TANKS

>>89269171
A single Lapis can be at the very edge of the atmosphere and remove the entire ocean.

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>>89269223
>>89269139
Pew pew motherfucker.

Also light canons and arrows that are strong as a fucking missile.

>>89269152
You can't just say it has properties that do things, that's obvious, it's how you make those properties. And you can probably figure out how to USE a warp pad but figure out how to make one. It just looks like a rock but it rips apart the fabric of spacetime. Maybe you could see some crazy shit in its molecular structure but you would not be able to reproduce it.

>>89265779
Have to use a classic piece of sound warfare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuKDBPw8wQA

>>89269027
Is everybody here retarded? Are you forgetting one extremely simple fact?
>they're all fucking women
Fucking duh. Wanna know how an invasion would go down?
>gem ship lands in field near a small creek
> ten skinnydippin farm boys run out to see what it is
>don't bother putting clothes on
>the crew exits the ship
>a jasper, a peridot, and some rubies
> the jasper sees newcomers in the distance, and prepares for a fight
>they get closer
> the peridot sees their strange meat apparatuses
>?
> jasper fucks 5 men into oblivion, their smiling, bloody bodies recovering on the field floor
> the peridot getting rammed from the front and back
> the rubies blowing the remaining three
>tldr: a race of women being exposed to men for the first time would experience sex and wouldn't want to kill off humanity

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>>89265577
>perceptible

>>89269117
If it's not already smashed by what it hit, it's about to be.

Also the limb thing isn't possible under normal circumstances, that was horrible science.

>>89267845
>implying they're going to be thinking

>>89269282
Have you actually seen the beams hit anything manmade.
At worst their debris landed on some buildings in beach city.
Plus have you seen modern missiles and what they can do?
I mean really?

I swear to god most of you people think we still live in WWII.

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Everyone forgets that one little gem bobble that lets you time travel. Yeah they have lasers, they even have FTL technology. But this is straight up magic to us. You can't reverse engineer this.

>>89269328
>Also the limb thing isn't possible under normal circumstances, that was horrible science.

Not really.

>>89269366
you mean the thing that steven destroyed.

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>>89269366
ALSO they have their own nuke.

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>>89269319
And then they would get turned into half humans and die. The entire gem army reduced to half human half gem ubermensch left to be raised by the rest of humanity. It's fucking perfect.

>>89269396
Dude, we are not counting Steven and CG here.

>>89269377
Horrible as in Frankenstein. Not horrible as in poorly done. Anything else shattered is dead and the gem limbs are just as creepy as independently moving human limbs and for the same reasons.

>>89269152
You can't just throw a scientist at everything and expect it to work, Anon.

>>89269434
They just discovered about experiments much later.

You are thinking about forced fusion.

>>89269171
Your missiles will be destroyed as soon as they come into contact with a few feet thick of water. All a Lapis needs to do is surround herself in hundreds of feet of water, then fly over to your cities and bases, and drop the water, or hold it in a bubble over the people as they drown. A lapis hiding in a mountain of water is unstoppable.

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With the help of the nat-soc gems of course

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>>89266182
>RYNO V
>Not lord-knows-how-many-cases of Groovitrons.

If they don't die from embarrassment due to accidental fusion, then its hypnotic effects will give them a hard time.

>>89269366
>Have time travel
>Dont use it to solve all of your problems

In that scenario, the revelion never started and PD is still alive.

>>89269306
>You can't just say it has properties that do things
I didn't, I said the material itself has the properties. You would figure out how to utulize those properties with a sample, which if you haven't noticed, I don't have.

>Maybe you could see some crazy shit in its molecular structure but you would not be able to reproduce it.
That's a major assumption. Learning how it's molecular structure is formed could give vast input on how to make it or another significant technology, OR give us further insight into other Gem tech. I think you're being a little unreasonable in asking how I would reverse-engineer one without having said material to experiment with nor being qualified for the task itself. Just because I can't do it well doesn't mean actual scientist can't either.

>>89269479
Why not? It's literally their job to figure out how things work. If there is an actual science, then eventually it is solvable.

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>>89269171
>sonic weapons.
>vs FTL craft

>>89269423
You mean the thing buried deep in the ocean that the gems would have to come to earth to get, and was obviously created before Sugar really thought out the whole Gem backstory, because the existence of that artifact would render the entire rebellion a joke for the side that had it?
They sorta threw out the magical nature of the gems post S1.

>>89269364
>Plus have you seen modern missiles and what they can do?
Yes, against other modern earth construction materials. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

>>89269524
>Why not? It's literally their job to figure out how things work. If there is an actual science, then eventually it is solvable.

Because science isn't SCIENCE! Scientists don't just hem and haw over some beakers and suddenly understand warp technology, there are loads of things in this world that we don't understand and can't figure out, and won't do so despite trying for hundreds more years.

>>89269579
>Because science isn't SCIENCE! Scientists don't just hem and haw over some beakers and suddenly understand warp technology
He's spent too long on /co/, and thinks that earth scientists are actually Reed Richards.

>>89268847
How many wars has the U.S. gotten into in the SU universe? Are we still using ALICE web gear because alternate history made us avoid several major wars, thus making improving field gear for better combat conditions not necessary or are we using MOLLE gear and plate carriers like normal? Do we still use the M16 rifle family or did we switch over to a different service weapon? Basically what does the U.S. soldier look like in this universe?

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>>89264722
>>89265065
>>89265982
>>89266271
>>89268650


Humans don't really have a shot. It would be like the time Martian Manhunter got cured of his weakness to fire and fucking whupped the JLA

These are all of the Gem powers that they show has made us aware of ( that I can think of)
: Super strength, Super Speed, Durability, Space travel, Teleportation technology, Do not age, Do not need food, Do not need to breathe, Regeneration, Healing tears/spit, Future Sight, Shapeshifting, Dream Control, Possession, Metal control, Plant Control, Water Control, Flame Generation, ,"Bubbling" Hologram Creation, Energy Generation, Fusion, Time Travel, Flight, Ability to persist in a limited fashion after death, Forcefield Generation, Invisibilty, Mass Insanity Field (presumably) and Pocket Dimension Creation

You could give an infant access to these powers and it would destroy everything in ti's path. Humanity wouldn't make it.

>>89269524
A warp pad is probably created on the subatomic level. We can't make anything like that. We don't even know of all the molecules that make up atoms. Something that bends reality in such a way is working on fundamental universal forces. Even if we could see it which we can't we don't have the technology to make it.

>>89269549
The time travelling artifact is in the middle of many others, if you pick the wrong one, the entire place colapses and rebuild itself on thousand years.

Rose probably just fucked the place in the beggining.

>>89269524
It took humanity 5000 years to figure out two thing.
1)That objects fall at the same speed regardless of weight.
2)That flies have more than 4 legs.

5000 years before anyone bothered to double check either of those two "facts" made up by man famous for pretending to be a horse for sexual play. 5000 years before anyone bothered to check if a fucking bronze age brony wasn't just horsing around. It took humanity 5000 years to count the legs on one of the most common creatures on the planet, and also to drop two objects side by side and watch them for a second. 5000 years. It took 5000 damned years.

We're not figuring out reality warping energy crystals soon.

>>89269402
I really wish this was even talked about again. I'm imagining that's what blew up Russia. Plus there's that thing in the geode.

>>89267495
See the shit coming out of shotshow 2017, anon?

>>89267047
This game is better than it has any business being.

>>89269579
>>89269600
Scientists have been able to create technology based off simple theory with nothing substantial or a prior material to say that it works. I'm not saying it's easy at all, but it most certainly isn't impossible as long as they work off of actual scientific properties.

>there are loads of things in this world that we don't understand and can't figure out
It's not that we can't, but we haven't yet. And once again, we are working off theory, not testing actual alien technology.

>>89269671
Further procurement of alien tech would allow us to make something similar in any case.

>>89269692
And yet look at what we accomplished without all the facts and just conjecture. We are advancing faster than ever, and with alien tech we could jump start that to an even quicker degree.

>>89269577
That we have no basis of measurement regarding gem-tech strength because they haven't used it against anything that wasn't gem-tech; and that you underestimate the destructive capabilities of human weaponry.
In fact it seems you don't know anything about human weapons at all.

>>89269692
you speak as if advancement is linear as opposed to exponential

>>89269601
Nothing specific on what wars did occur, just that The Civil War (because everything about America's colonization and formation were different) World War 1, (because some of those nations and none of those treaties and a lot of those people didn't even exist) and WW2 (a direct result of how poorly WW1 was handled.) All of that never happened. Also, no Cold War since there is no nervous East and West of radically differing ideologies staring each other down after a World War that also never happened.

BUT, we have seen modern tanks and planes on TV, making it very likely they have them for real.

>Nuh-uh! Humans can't win because gems can literally teleport behind you and explode you and they shot a million lasers!
Jesus, the fans are more boring than the show can be. Reminds me of DBZfags.

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>>89264722

As others have said, if the goal is to invade and take over with troops then it's debatable, but Humans would give them such an ass-kicking it would almost certainly not be worth it. Likely the War just becomes the Gem Empire sniping human cities from long range or deploying a bio-weapon of some kind.

If the goal is destruction we stand no chance, they just accelerate some rocks to near light speed and start tossing them at Earth.

There's no doubt that the Gems are in for a shock if they tried to fight the war with their conventional forces. Humanity maybe pulls a win because we might seize enough of their tech during the early encounters. It's so hard to theorize because the Gem Empire is pants on head stupid in a lot of ways, but then has so many potential space magic advantages (like future sight). Yet they use conventional fighting techniques despite the fact that they have developed FTL.

>>89269743
>Scientists have been able to create technology based off simple theory with nothing substantial or a prior material to say that it works.
Yeah that technology was a lever used to lift a mud brick. In two thousand years we went from people mangling their dicks because you couldn't wash it regularly, to being able to alter DNA. The gems have many more thousands of years ahead of us. They probably understand dark energy and extra dimensions. Sure if there were some gem tech with instructions on how to use it (gem tech is unusable by humans because you have to be a gem to even interface with it) they may be able to figure it out but there's no reason that would ever be given to us. IF we had a gem that would tell it to us and even then a lot of it is probably too mind bending for our brains to even comprehend.

>Talking about how impossible reverse-engineering gem tech is.
>Probably couldn't tell you how half the technology they use today works without looking it up.
You people are retarded

>>89269767
>linear instead of exponential

ITS NEITHER! HUMANS ARE JUST DUMB!

>>89269795
A 13 year old Indian girl could beat up a gem lmao

>>89269767
Exponential still needs to be based off something. We can't think up quantum computing without having invented computers. You can't look at a 19th century lightbulb with 19th century information and then a smart phone and make the connection.

>>89269789
Couldn't WWI and II have happened but with different countries and leaders though? Also the Cold War could have happened, but not in the sense of what it was(Communism vs Democracy wouldn't have been the exact focus of this universe's Cold War, for example)

>>89269743
There are technological gulfs that cannot be easily crossed. You could give an 18th century scientist all the cell phones he could carry and he wouldn't be able to reverse engineer the tech. It's the height of hubris to assume we are now advanced enough to replicate advanced alien tech. We would likely struggle for years, perhaps decades just understanding its basic function.

>>89269743
>Scientists have been able to create technology based off simple theory with nothing substantial or a prior material to say that it works. I'm not saying it's easy at all, but it most certainly isn't impossible as long as they work off of actual scientific properties.
Okay, now factor in the fact that this is in the scenario we've laid out, supposed to be happening during wartime against the civilization that has been using this technology for thousands of years, and tell me with a straight face that we'll be able to at most even the playing field by getting access to this tech and producing enough for it to matter, before we get wiped out by clusters, their crystal nukes, their superior spaceflight-and-atmosphere-flight-capable craft that an go warp speed, their robinoids, their individual soldiers that are like tanks to us, and their ability to teleport anywhere they set up a base.

Because what you're saying, it hinges on that idea that we'd be able to compete by reverse-engineering and learning how to use their technology, and all that would do is allow us to compete on a level they already can.

>>89269795

And I have a strong feeling that Militarywank fags haven't actually experienced how the military works IRL because they have wayy too much faith in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkWWVmyNu2U

Good books on the subject
https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Military-Incompetence-Norman-Dixon/dp/0465097804

https://www.amazon.com/Military-Incompetence-American-Doesnt-Century/dp/0374521379

>>89269883
That's kind of the point they are trying to make. It's easy to reversen engineer one plane when can already build planes on your own and know most of the basics. It's another thing to reverse engineer the loop zoop that runs on ontenumino field waves when you've never heard of that shit.

>>89269601
It doesn't really matter what wars they had because by some other line of history they got to the same place we're in now.

>>89269921
The real problem is that the world of SU is so poorly realized that there are no solid answers for these debates, because we know next to nothing about humanity other than the fact that Beach City is a retard farm.

>>89269954
>Both sides are incompetent
ah
it will even out i guess.

>>89269929
The World War and it's sequel didn't happen according to the show creators for the reasons given. But wars have still happened. Just not a world war or the cold war specifically.

>>89269668
>Possession
Fuck I forgot about this. What's the chance of a gem who's innate ability is to possess things? Also plant control is hacks.

>>89266137
Well, chances are all sapient life will be predator-type animals, so they are prone to conflict ie: war with themselves like humans are.

So, chances are they will have a similar body weight or less to humans based on rocket mathematics and gravity. So that would mean that they would have similar technology to us, that is until they develop FTL or accurate enough warp tech. By that point, they will be beyond our tier, so even if we were on the same tech tree, any aliens we encounter would have had some sort of war and combat/conflict experience like we do, but they would be better at it and far more advanced than we are.

Or they could be so different from us that they may not even have DNA.

So no, human-based combatants shouldn't be able to take on anything alien that arrived on Earth today.

We're also not taking into account that gems probably subjugate other races all the time.

>>89269954
>I watched a movie, I experienced it!

>>89269954
>America

>>89269941
>It's the height of hubris
Perhaps, but I don't give two shits. I will always have faith in the human race.

>>89269948
>tell me with a straight face that we'll be able to at most even the playing field
I won't. I will say that at most we will have a fighting chance if we can reverse-engineer.
>clusters
They only had one and it was an experiment. Do we even know how they put in there?
>their crystal nukes
Which they wouldn't initailly use as they want the planet for resources.
> their superior spaceflight-and-atmosphere-flight-capable craft that an go warp speed
That's what I'm banking the reverse-enineering on.
>their robinoids
Those are just scout/repair bots aren't they?
>their individual soldiers that are like tanks to us
See all points made in thread so far.
>their ability to teleport anywhere they set up a base.
Attempt to stop them from gaining territory. Destroy warp pads if created or prevent them from being made.

>>89270023
We know they're at the same point we are. They have the internet and smart phones. They have tumblr and twitter.

>>89265779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY9m2sHQwLs&ab_channel=OGSpindashProductions
hate song but this song is catch

>>89270124

Jarhead happened, despite the fact everybody hates that jackass for writing that book it doesn't change the fact that it happened.

The second time around we sure as shit weren't any smarter, or better prepared. If I had a nickle for every country boy slackjawed dumbass who somehow made it through basic

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I'll give it a week for these space ladies to get off my planet.

>>89270247
Basic is physical training, ya know?

>>89270132
>clusters
To make clusters you need to have shattered gems and then figure out a way to fuse them. We may have some shattered gems lying around but trying to form a cluster will result in the mutants we've seen which will fuck humanity even more.
>their crystal nukes
We can't make that for reasons stated.
>their superior spaceflight-and-atmosphere-flight-capable craft that an go warp speed
Already stated. You'd need gems that are willing to explain how it all works for that to be feasible. You can't reverse engineer technology you can't interface with.

>Attempt to stop them from gaining territory. Destroy warp pads if created or prevent them from being made.
Impossible when they have ships that can go anywhere in the blink of an eye. Granted we don't know how long it takes to make a warp pad but I doubt it's long and I don't remember entirely but they may have had craft with warp pads already on them, meaning mobile bases.

>>89270132
>Those are just scout/repair bots aren't they?
Peridot crushs a Robonoid and it turns into jelly not circuitry, that is how advanced their technology is it looks like magic.

>>89270130
That's the world's current strongest military

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>>89269809

For example the Gem's fuck up the initial encounter because of course they do.

Humans seize just one of the Red Roaming Eye.

The IMMEDIATE thought of most military strategists will be to put a bomb in it, or figure out a way to blow up the ships momentum bending black-hole. THEN they are going to start looking at a target, like say, Homeworld.

The Gem Empire has a pants on head retarded approach to weapons and combat. Our backs are against the wall. As soon as humans see FTL, teleportation, or miniature black holes our FIRST thought is going to be how to horribly weaponize that technology. The Gems still think fighting and war is about stun batons, pushing one another and swinging hard light objects around. Even without understanding it we humans are going to turn the Gem equivalent of toasters into W.M.D. I mean for gods sake the Empire thinks that a giant anthropomorphous rainbow blob that can't be controlled is a weapon, WHILE they generate miniature black holes to travel. They still consider sending actual soldiers into combat instead of autonomous weapons. The GEM's are apparently traumatized by the loss of a single leader, and a small terrestrial explosion.

Now we might kill ourselves while messing with captured Gem tech but Humans have such violent imaginations I can't see us not winning if Earth Defense Forces get their grubby ape paws on Gem gadgets.

>>89270299
There are also far more gems than any human, even if we defeated them they could send another wave and another wave and another wave and another wave and keep this up for thousands of years by around 400 years we would have used up all of our weapon resources and be fucked.

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>>89265779
Rock Me Like a Hurricane

>>89270080
Gems are kind of a middle ground between very different from us, as they're living fucking rocks, and very similar to us as they think mostly the same as we do, however their social structure is very different due to different gems existing.

>>89270132
Clusters aren't something that can be used against an extant force. A cluster is an experimental bio(gem)weapon that is designed to tear up a planet from the inside. Obviously that's not useful to us.

>>89270299
All of these points I thought were about abilities, not our chance of making them, my mistake. To that point though,
>>89270318
She crushes it with her foot. Therefore we can break it as well, and that Jelly WOULD be valuable information. We might not be able to directly interface with Gem tech initially, but I bet we could dismantle it.

>>89270338
>THEN they are going to start looking at a target, like say, Homeworld.
Why would they know where Homeworld is? We haven't got a clue.

>>89270344
We don't really know this but it would stand to reason. However we've never seen a group of a ton of gems. They could actually be fewer in number than we think. But I really doubt it.

So I know this is slightly off topic but I was watching some older episodes with my little cousin, and has anybody noticed how different Steven is in the newer seasons? I swear he looks shorter, and his voice is more high pitched. He also seems more...naive? It's hard to explain, he's not QUITE as goofy and unaware as he was before.

>>89269668
Im the 3rd person you quoted in your post, i also posted this >>89268647

You have to understand that theres real world logic and cartoon logic.

In real world logic, the gem empire makes no sense in several levels and only runs on cartoon logic, but if such empire with feats such as theirs existed we would indeed be fucked and gone without a fight.

Cartoon logic on the other hand show us that gems are literal retards that think that charging with a sword into battle in a war is a good idea when they have the means to glass the planet from another galaxy anyway. Becouse thats just how they roll. Against that we have a chance.

Thing is that everyone here is willing to use selective retardation and use real world logic whenever they feel like and apply cartoon logic whenever they feel like, but never sticking to one.

I mean, homeworld COULD send a single lapis and fuck the world, are they going to do it? Everything shown points towards "no".

>>89270416
We've already explained why the jelly would not be useful. It's not circuitry so we don't understand it. We are just now starting to experiment with liquid technology and we're in the very very basic stages of finding out how to get stuff to move around. That jelly is probably a thousand steps ahead of that.

>>89270434
Anon gems have known about our rock since we started in Africa gems also control multiple planets and are an intergalactic civilization meaning there must at over a trillion of them at least.

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>>89270338

The Gems are intimidated by fucking wrist mounted pistons and having to take actions outside their birth-prescribed castes.

But ultimately their biggest disadvantage would have to be: .....

They are the antagonists of an all-ages cartoon conceived by a privileged and safe Caucasian female. The minute that fantasy collides with an actual analysis made by wickedly intelligent and mercilessly violent militaristic MEN it entirely falls apart and Humanity murder/rapes the Gems into non-existence using the most vile, brutal, cheesy, and offensive tactics imaginable.

>>89269245
Pearl dissolves in basic vinegar.
Peridot dissolves in Sulfuric and Hydrochloric acid
Quartz is dissolved by Hydroflouric acid.
Diamond burns.

These are just common acids. Superacids, such as this one http://cosmobiologist.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/fluoroantimonic-acid-strongest-acid.html
are far stronger.

Also, learn some basic chemistry. Gems can be dissolved, even in water. However, water is generally already at saturation point with most elements that gems are composed of, and it takes a long time to dissolve it. Acids can do it much faster, and many gems have to be kept away from acid, because it dissolves them.

>>89269504

Torpedos, nukes, etc. Did you even read what I wrote? She would be detected as soon as she had a volume of water larger than a small aircraft.

Easy, sink/launch a nuke tipped torpedo/deapth charge into the water. It detonates as soon as it comes close enough to Lapis. The mountain of water contains the blast inside the water.

>>89269535
Are these FTL craft moving faster than the speed of light an in atmosphere? If they did, they would pretty much fuck the entire planet up, which we are assuming they wouldn't really want to do.

>>89269279
Instantly? Without anyone noticing? Okay.

>>89270493
>We've already explained why the jelly would not be useful. It's not circuitry so we don't understand it.
And I already explained how I think that's bull and that if it's based on actual scientific properties than with a sample we could do something with it.

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>>89270422
If the Rubies can figure out the flight console and its star-map then so can a human.

>>89270338
>The GEM's are apparently traumatized by the loss of a single leader
Of which they only have four who have probably existed for the entirety or a large portion of gem civilization. You'd feel pretty devastated if one your literal gods died too.

>>89270328
I know. I just enjoy greentexting.

>>89270562
Scientific properties could mean it uses dark matter or another dimension.

>>89265779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDUrpPvU1_4&ab_channel=UPROXX

>>89270446
Which is it? Is he more naive or is he more aware? He's probably shorter looking because that's just what the borders want him to look like. In the episode with Marty Steven was basically in chibi mode.

>>89270588
Rubies are not smart anon, they dont figure anything out, the Diamonds have gems that use ships insinctively programmed to know how to use them.

>>89270619
Your point? With working samples I believe we could figure it out, even if its concepts such as those.
>>89270446
They have been making him more "cute" it seems.

>>89270562
Yeah, your religious faith in science without any thought doesn't make it so.

>>89270454
But from what we've seen I think things are still not in our favor. From the only gem vs human conflict we've seen a gem had to rise up for humanity and lead it to victory. If that didn't happen humanity would have stayed as it was. They also vastly underestimated that rebellion as they were using ground forces and allowed a diamond to get shattered. After that from what the diamonds have said they don't even know that humans have advanced to this point, they just put a time bomb in the earth and left it to die. if Steven and crew weren't around the cluster would have awoken and destroyed earth. If we're using the logic that they know what they're up against it makes sense they would pull out the big guns.

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>>89265779
https://youtu.be/QDViACDYxnQ?t=14m57s

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>>89270532

> MEN
> non-existence using the most vile, brutal, cheesy, and offensive tactics imaginable.

Sure.

>>89270555
>Easy,
>sink/launch a nuke tipped torpedo/deapth charge into the water
That would not be easy as the mountain of water would be a mech. A torpedo wouldn't be able to get that close because she would be using currents to push it away or sniping it from a distance.

>Are these FTL craft moving faster than the speed of light an in atmosphere?
They probably can. Whether or not they can do combat maneuvers with it is unknown but they have taken off with FTL from earth.

>>89270692
My faith lies in humanity, not science itself. Besides, disregarding religion and spiritual matters, why would you not have faith in scientific inquiries? They can get things wrong, or be modified, but answers DO exist.

>>89270639
>New Gorillaz song
THANK YOU, ANON

>>89270789
Science takes a long time to get anywhere, dude. That's why. We don't have the time to try and figure out the tech of a civilization hundreds of THOUSANDS of years ahead of us.

>>89270827
And that's were I disagree. The pressure of war and the designs of tech already made with the science in place would make it so we could figure it out. I'm not well versed on the subject, but didn't technology greatly advance in a fast degree due to the World Wars?

>>89270878
Yes it developed past simple transistors to more, smaller transistors.

>>89270789
>My faith lies in humanity
Well, you're gonna be disappointed everytime.

>>89270782
>That would not be easy as the mountain of water would be a mech. A torpedo wouldn't be able to get that close because she would be using currents to push it away or sniping it from a distance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval
That thing moves at 370 km/h. To stop that, you would need a current moving at an equal, opposite speed, in which case you fire a ridiculous amount into the water, making it impossible to stop all of them.

Nukes, on the other hand, will vaporize large quantities of the water, if not most of it.

>>89270751
You posted this the last time we had this thread.
What point are you trying to make exactly?

>>89270922
I just did a small search and got results for better medicine, extensive work into radar, plastics, and other things. I think you may be undervaluing that period, but like I said earlier, I'm not well-versed.

>>89270941
Haven't been disappointed yet.

>>89270751
>>89270963
Wait are you saying you don't like the Uzi 9mm...?

Why not?

>>89270987
>Haven't been disappointed yet.
You will if you get cancer and all the experimental cures you hear about on science websites aren't coming into use in your dwindling amount of time.

>>89270588
>If the Rubies can figure out the flight console and its star-map then so can a human.
Gems pop out of the ground already knowing the essentials for their role. They didn't have to figure it out, they already know how to do that as part of their transportation and escort role, and are pretty much idiots at everything else.

>>89270805
avoid the /co/ discussion thread going on right now it's a /pol/ shit storm

>>89271025
Jeesh anon you sound like a very negative person, I'm not so self-centered to care about that. The fact that there is treatment at all comforts me enough.

>>89271069
Now you made me curious.

>>89271069
I already saw the comments on the video. I didn't like the song anyway.

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>>89270963

that militarywank fundamentally misunderstands war, fighting, and humanity in general. It's the same reason I hate warhammer 40k. I'm not opposed to saying that war is necessary or that there are good people in the military ( of course there are, and there are plenty of them), but rather that gunwank is the sort of thing people do when they've never experienced combat or real suffering in general and it warps our overall view of the real world
(even if you don't think it does.)

>>89271079
>The fact that there is treatment at all comforts me enough
But there's not. It's experimental and not tested on humans yet so basically just theoretical. You'll see then that technology doesn't progress as fast as you hope when it matters.

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>>89271153
Guns are fun though!

>>89270922
In WW2, Germany went from using this, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Henschel_Hs_123_in_flight.jpg
to this,
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Messerschmitt_Me_262_Schwable.jpg

From this
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1975-117-26%2C_Marschflugk%C3%B6rper_V1_vor_Start.jpg/300px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1975-117-26%2C_Marschflugk%C3%B6rper_V1_vor_Start.jpg
to this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket#/media/File:Fus%C3%A9e_V2.jpg

It took the US something like 3 years to develop the nuke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_during_World_War_II#The_atomic_bomb

>>89268751
I thought that was simply Earth artifacts Rose collected. She also had a penny, (i know its a batcave reference but still.) Was that used in the battle against HW?

>>89271180

I'm fine with guns, Heck I shoot guns for fun. I hate gunwank and militarywank. Theres a difference

>>89271178
I was referring to chemo. On that line though, it would comfort me that they are at least experimenting on better treatments for cancer.

>when it matters.
Death happens, I'm not going to be a pissy faggot that pushes blame unto a whole race for not using something that isn't even guarantee'd to work.

You don't strike me as one that appreciates the things you have in life.

>>89271135
I liked the song. But I understand why it's getting bad reaction. There's nothing really mind blowing about it, and since it's their first track in six fucking years people were expecting another top tier track like to binge or demon days. It sounds like something from the fall. They used a basic FL studios drunk kit for the instrumental, at least in the first half.

>>89271264

I'm still hopeful for the next album, that song isn't going to be on it and I've always felt that gorillaz works better as albums rather than singles

>>89271251
>On that line though, it would comfort me that they are at least experimenting on better treatments for cancer.
And they've been experimenting for an incredibly long time, but cancer still exists and is considered usually incurable. Terminal and incurable diseases shouldn't even exist if science was as magical as you want it to be.

>>89271239

>I'm fine with guns, Heck I shoot guns for fun. I hate gunwank and militarywank. Theres a difference
Anon, it's important that we remember who we are, and what we are.

Guns are tools for killing. We as humans are killers. But we choose not to kill. Today.

It's important to remember that every day is a conscious decision to not kill and a struggle against our nature but to listen to appeal to a better unnatural self that we uphold as decent and bring something more important into the world.

Without that we are just killers.

>>89271293
>gorillaz works better as albums rather than singles

Agreed. Even if the new album is something like the fall I'll eat it up, hope they drop the album before summer, that'll be perfect timing...

>>89271264
I'm still excited for the songs they've spent more time on anyway. I usually only like a few songs on each Gorillaz album anyway.

>>89271316
You're comparing two completely different circumstances. If we received a definite cure for cancer, then we could reverse-engineer it for mass-production.

> science was as magical as you want it to be.
Science has remained pretty magical to me still, seeing all those new prosthetic makes me absolutely giddy. Not to mention the VR products available.

>>89271398
listen to demon days cover to cover on Psilocybin mushrooms

>>89271417
>If we received a definite cure for cancer, then we could reverse-engineer it for mass-production
What. A cure for cancer isn't nearly as complex as gem technology and we haven't even figured that out. VR tech and prosthetics are all incremental advancements based on stuff we've had forever. Gem technology isn't that. Why am I still arguing with you?

>>89271346
Anon, it's way too late for you to be out of bed.

>>89265779

To Save Our Mother Earth From Any Alien Attack
From Vicious Giant Women Who Have Once Again Comeback
We'll Unleash All Our Forces We Won't Cut Them Any Slack
THE EDF DEPLOY!