Will a western cartoon featuring a gay male as protagonist ever

>>89197922
>Will a western cartoon featuring a gay male as protagonist ever be made?
Steven Universe

>>89198064
Those are lesbians. American media is still too afraid to have gay guys that aren't simply background noise.

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>>89197922
>>89198141
SOON

>>89197922
Fuck off. Gays make up 5% of the population. Enough of this "muh representation"

>>89198196
>I'm threatened enough to be impotent by 5% of the population

Eunuch.

>>89198196
And retards make up 2%. Your point ?

>>89197922
shouwa genroku rakugo shinjuu was here

yuri on ice is a faggot

>>89198196
homosexuals are likely 5%

that makes gay men about 2-3%

if that

>>89198215
>Gay shit in every media ever now
>EVERY SINGLE MEDIA

I am so fucking sick of seeing it. It is actively making me homophobic because it keeps getting crammed in my fucking face.

I can't recall the last time I saw a show/film/game with all straight charcaters.

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>>89198531

>waaah please stop putting gay people in media, you're hurting my feelings :(

Sorry anon, but artists shouldn't have to bow to your hurt feelings.

>>89198531
When you've endured it for 80-odd years of video and electronic entertainment's lifespan, then you can bitch about something being crammed in your fucking face. Until then, you get to suck it up, buttercup. We endured it from you for that long, fair's only fair.

>>89197922
Wait, this show is actually gay? I assumed it was just semi-gay like Free!.

>>89198531

Sounds like a personal problem. Have you ever considered not getting upset by homosexuals?

>>89198689
You haven't been alive long enough to endure puberty

>>89198689
>When you've endured it for 80-odd years of video and electronic entertainment's lifespan, then you can bitch about something being crammed in your fucking face
I fucking doubt you're an 80 year old gay person, so that doesn't work. Furthermore you don't "correct" bullshit with more bullshit.

And besides, the fuck did you expect? I don't like gayshit, so of course I don't like seeing it in everything all the fucking time.

>>89197922
As a fujoshi I have no interest in watching a show about gay men, I just want to watch shows with men and ship them together.

>>89198620
>>89198715
It's not the fact that they're homosexual, it's that they constantly have to remind you of it because 'muh progressivism'

>>89198064
The show is post gay. Stevvonie counts as genderqueer.

>>89198739

It's your fault for being an over-sensitive baby. The world can't revolve around your feelings.

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>fujoshit on /co/

>>89197922
Really fucking hope not.
No issue with gays in itself, but when people support a show almost entirely due to "muh yaoi" despite the show itself being mediocre, you're just asking for a wave of garbage

I dont want a show about being gay i want him to just be gay. Like if ichigo just happened to like renji.

Like the ikkaku and that one guy were gay but not all in your face about it.

>>89197922

Not in any way that isn't totally hamfisted.

If "Love is Love" has reminded me of anything, it's that 90% of western writers cannot write fiction that deals with sexuality in anything other than the most black and white of ways.

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>People are literally watching the pendulum swing back to the right
>Still want to force gay people in media, that'll surely make people not annoyed at all and support us, r-right

>>89198869
You're the only one that's annoyed by this.

>>89197922
>them
>gay
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAWWWWWWW

Holy shit. You fell for the bait.

>>89198889
There are literally other people IN THIS THREAD saying similar things. Your lack of self awareness and critical thinking is exactly why Trump got voted in.

>>89198869

I dont understand, do you want artists to censor themselves if they feel like putting a gay person in something?

>>89198905
You've never even seen yuri on ice now stop your bitching and move on with your life.

>>89198920
Artist can do whatever they want.
I'm talking about the people asking for it to be shoved into everything.

>>89198921
>You've never even seen yuri on ice
Citation needed.

>>89198934
>stop liking what I don't like
Are you retarded?
>>89198950
Have you?

>>89198960
>Have you?
I dropped it after two episodes.

>>89197922
Voltron:LD says hi.

In short all this does is make Tex Avery & Bob Clampett turn in their graves so please stop it.

>>89198971
t. moeshitter

Some of you act like there are gays in cartoons everywhere.

Even tv shows who are there? Sense8 ??

>>89198934

So your problem is fanbases, not the actual things themselves.

This can be easily solved by spending less time on the internet.

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>>89198711
Yeah, it was actually pretty gay, and without that uke/seme bullshit.

>>89199023
Never heard of it.

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wow, the dickeaters are wild tonite!

>>89199014
No, because fanbases can easily influence the art itself these days.
>>89198995
You're a retard.

>>89198711
Nope. Full-on gay. Confirmed on Episode 7.

>>89199048
The money that comes from the fanbase can influence art and you need to outspend them if you really care about it because the world owes you nothing, moeshitter.

>>89198905
>Your lack of self awareness and critical thinking is exactly why Trump got voted in

kek
Please explain me what can Trump do about gay characters.

>>89199006
Three Gays Of The Condo says hi.
>>89199031
Most likely because it's after season 8 and is one of the good episodes after season 8, like Large Marge.

http://kisscartoon.se/Cartoon/The-Simpsons-Season-14/Episode-017?id=654

>>89199066
You're missing the big picture. Pushing leftist agendas in so much media made people sick of them, people who used to not care and were fine with letting gays do whatever they want are now sick of it cause it's shoved in their face constantly in media. Hell Fox just aired a show that had a little boy wearing a bondage gag talking about his vagina.

This shit is why people are starting to turn more to the right as a form of protest.

>>89199052
Smithers had hints about being gay in many episodes but not in season 1.

http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Waylon_Smithers,_Jr.

>>89199065
Not what I'm talking about, but then again people from tumblr are usually massive fucking retards who can't do anything beyond toss out buzzwords.

>>89199048

>No, because fanbases can easily influence the art itself these days.

Oh okay, so SURELY you can name five characters in media that were turned gay SOLELY because of said media's fanbase. Of course, you'll also have to back these claims up with proof as well. If you cannot do this, you are admitting that you're wrong.

>>89199122

>i was totally a liberal before those gosh danged gay people started appearing in television, I swear!

>>89199142
>you can name five characters in media that were turned gay SOLELY because of said media's fanbase

Never made that claim

>>89199101
Wait a decade old episode of the simpsons you are mad at?

The '00 had their gay shows but i dont think there are that many now.

>>89199155
Never said that either, nice strawmanning though. Level 1 damage control.

>>89199162
Mad?!? That was one of the best episodes post season 8 of The Simpsons had.

>>89199122

So you're going to change your political opinions just to spite people you don't like?

Well jeez, I can't see anything going wrong with that. Changing your politics based on what other people think instead of what you think surely won't fuck you over in the long run.

>>89199158

>I'm talking about the people asking for it to be shoved into everything.
>fanbases can easily influence the art itself these days.
>Never made that claim

>>89199199
Yes.
Where did I say they were turning characters gay?

>>89199187
Most people are apathetic towards things that don't directly involve them. A good way to make them care about something is to push it in their face over and over.
It's like poking a sleeping bear.

>>89199139
I'm talking about anime getting taken over by fujos.
What are you talking about?
What does it have to do with yuri on ice?

>>89199225
What is your argument then?

>>89199225

Okay, so lets go over this.

You say you have a problem with gay people being "shoved in" to media.
I say your problem is with the fanbases talking about gay people, and that your problem would be solved if you spent less time on the internet.
You say that wouldn't save anything, because the fanbases are influencing creators.
I ask you for proof.
You say that you never claimed that fanbases did anything.

Where am I wrong?

Just look at the massive push to turn those two guys from The Force Awakens gay in the next movie.

>>89199279
>people on twitter say stupid things
holy........shit.................that's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,unusual

>>89199279

Greetings, time traveler! Sure is a shame to hear that the next star wars movie was ruined by fans. Is gotg 2 any good?

>>89199241
It's not just anime, it's media as a whole and we need to stop it.

Make Tex Avery stop turning in his grave.

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If it was going to happen, now would be the time, given that cartoons are sad squishy shows about nothing where a character's romantic preferences would actually be a relevant plot point, as opposed to a show where anything interesting happens

>>89199330
Make your own cartoons if it bothers you so much.

>>89199330

>we need to censor artists so they can't put gay people in cartoons anymore

>>>/nazigermany/

So in an inter galactic empire no one is gay? Those jedi and padawan never hooked up just for fun? They do seem a little spartan to me its not GAY gay but its a little nohomo.

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Fine, force gays/trannies in everything, go for it.
But when people start to hate those groups more because it becomes obnoxious just don't cry about it, okay? Actions have consequences.

>>89199345

>steven universe travels across space to an alien-run human zoo so he can save his father after he was abducted
>wtf this show is about nothing, i don't see anything happening

>>89198921
>yuri on ice
Slowpoke here. Whut?

>>89199380

Why is 4chan suddenly in favor of censorship? I remember when this place hated it.

>>89199380
>moe shitter
And you wonder why you lost your grip in the anime industry.
>>89199392
It's a new Chinese cartoons that's popular and makes a fuckton of dosh

>>89199382
I mean, maybe it gets interesting later? All I know is the first few episodes seem to be about an even more dense Bobby Hill and his trio of alien nannies

>>89199398
You literally do not know what censorship means.

>Hey man, you shouldn't jump off that roof, you could break your leg
>STOP TRYING TO CENSOR ME REEEEEEEEEEE

>>89199398
Did you know pol is for jews now? This place has changed a lot.

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>>89199348
Already did.
>>89199350
No as it's not censorship, it's quality control.

>>89199380

>a republican candidate showed support for lgbt people and is now the president of the united states
>he thinks people are starting to turn against gays

The opposite is happening.

>>89199409
Nice buzzword.

>>89198531
>I can't recall the last time I saw a show/film/game with all straight charcaters.

Now that is fucking bullshit, don't give me that. That's tantamount to me saying that there are no more human characters in films/television/games.

>>89199421

Forcing artists to stop putting certain things in their work is not censorship?

>>89199409
Is it about ice skating?

>Shows that rely solely on tits and ass to sell are seen as trash
>Hell even shows that actually have substance to them but ALSO have tits and ass are seen as trash for it
>But it's okay if its yaoi cause that panders to women

Simply epic.

>>89199464

who are you quoting

>>89199452
When or where did I force an artist not to do something?

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>>89199439
It's not a buzzword if it's true.
>>89199456
Yes and it's surprisingly accurate but a few retards are just butthurt over being replaced.
>>89199432
Fujo anime is generally better than moeshitter anime so it's already doing a good job at taking the trash out.

>>89197922
>called Yuri on Ice
>all guys, no girls
I dont get it.

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>>89199380
Gays and trannies like ... BUGS BUNNY????

How many times did HE flirt with a dude?
How many times did HE crossdress?

That what you wanted? Those wholesome days from back then?
Try to bring back those good old days, I dare you, if you ever succeed you'll just spend all your time whining about how awesome the Puritanical witch-burning era was.
You delusionals need to stop posting your insane crap on /co/ all the time, that's what /x/ is for.

>>89199482
>It's not a buzzword if it's true.
But you realize Yuri on Ice is full of moe right?

>>89197922
>>89198711
>>89199052
>>89199017
Writer didn't confirm or deny anything and to take it whatever you will. As for the show itself its atypical fujoshit baiting that the LGBT community latched ontop due to the "censored" kiss in episode 7. It can go either way really since Japanese media in general is pretty fucking gay

>>89199488
I thought I read somewhere that, as far as Japan is concerned, it's honestly just a coincidence and they weren't trying to bait lesbians into watching the show since Yuri is an actual name over in that part of the world.

>>89199482
You literally do not know what "moe" means.

>>89198286
Rakugo was fucking boring and was so navel-gazing that it made No Longer Human look like an authentic account of a human's life and how people thought of them.

>>89199500
>>89199512
Don't care

>>89199488
MC is called Yuri

>>89199479

>Fine, force gays/trannies in everything, go for it.
>But when people start to hate those groups more because it becomes obnoxious just don't cry about it, okay? Actions have consequences.

Okay then, I guess North Korea doesn't censor anything, it's just that people's actions have consequences. :^)

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>>89199482
No, what we want is this.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x262srt_tex-avery-mgm-1943-05-08-red-hot-riding-hood_fun

Not fujo garbage.
>>89199498
As /sug/ said, Bugs does it to be funny, not because he wants to be a magica girl.

>>89199502
What did the writer say? hard to think they are best buddies with a kiss and engagement rings but then again japan.

>>89199541
What's stopping you from watching it?

>>89199540
Difference is I'm not enforcing those consequences. I'm just giving you a heads up.

>>89198733
You're the worst kind of fujo.

Dont mix trannies with gays. Totally differnt things.

>>89199513
>doesn't appreciate classic comedy

Havent gays been in anime forever? Shows have been sensored right? Sailor moon for one.

>>89199560
Gay marriage is illegal in Japan, and there have been threats of chemical attacks over the vague ASSUMPTION that one of the characters could be gay. So yes, as far as this shit is concerned, it could just be the author protecting themselves.

Then again Yuru Yuri is written explicitly by a lesbian and she seems to make no bones about it, so who knows.

I'd like to know what people's definition of forcing is, because most of the time the canon itself isn't doing anything besides having a gay character who falls in love and has a relationship. I think too often people confuse fans/the media talking about a character being gay as the creators forcing it.

Now if say, Lance from Voltron who has been shown to have zero interest in men suddenly got together with Keith, yeah I'd say that's forcing it. But if Keith turns out to be gay when there's been nothing saying he isn't, I don't think that's forcing.

>>89199564

>i'm not doing something i'm just threatening to do something

>>89199603
I'm not even threatening to do something you fucking retard, learn English.

>>89199564
Osomatsu-kun and yuri on ice have both made plenty of money while flip flappers has bombed horribly so what consequences could there possible be?

>>89199587
Wasn't the Rakugo itself I found boring. It was the tired scorned-woman plotline and the flat characterization. Compared to that, the Rakugo was genuinely good.

>>89199398
>stop forcing gay shit into everything
>censorship

It's be censorship if I said you weren't allowed, instead of being sick of it.

>>89199633
No one's forcing you to watch it.

>>89199599

It's an excuse people use to hide the fact that gay characters make them uncomfortable.

If you say "I don't like it when gay characters are in things" people will write you off as a hateful cunt, but if you say "I don't like when gay characters are forced in things" you seem like a regular person. All you have to do is put the word "forced" in when expressing your dislike of gay characters and you'll be fine.

>>89198869
>literally watching the pendulum swing back to the right
/pol/, don't try to hide behind cute gifs.
Go back to your containment board.
See you in 2 years when that pendulum shit comes right back on your asses.

>>89199633

>sick of it

Again, this is your fault for being a sensitive baby.

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>>89199652
Yet that can be easily disproven when I can point out examples of media that do gay people genuinely well.

>>89199657
The pendulum doesn't swing that fast, silly.
Enjoy Trump for eight years minimum.

This entire thread reminds me of that cyber bullying pasta.
>>89199673
pic unrelated?

>>89199673
"Media that do gay people genuinely well" has to be one of the most subjective topics in the history of mankind.

>>89198869
>waaaah why can't we go back to pretending gay people don't exist

And you mock other people for living in a bubble.

>>89199673

Okay, so how do you tell when something is "forced" and when it isn't? It seems like all of this is completely arbitrary. I've asked for people to list a few examples of characters that were forced to be gay by fanbases, but I haven't see any yet.

>>89199687
It only took two years for Obama to lose the house so........

>>89199596
The LGBT situation in Japan is tricky. Compared to the U.S. it seems, on the surface level, much more willing to indulge their presence in both society and media. In reality there's a prevailing view among the older (now dying) generations that gay relationships, particularly lesbian ones, aren't 'real.' It's far from outright condemnation or efforts to force conversion, but there is still an establishment view of the relationships as both childish and unimportant.

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>>89199563
Fujo garbage is a insult to the industry and it makes Tex Avery turn in his grave.
>>89199615
But not to the same "fujo" market is the thing.

Read this, it will save your life one day.

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>>89199380
Y'know, I don't get this argument.

Anime/manga actually has a LOT of trannies, as well as gays (mostly women), but they never get these "consequences"
And it's more surprising since Japan still is even more anti-homosexual than America.

Pic related is literally a post-op FtM transexual from the currently very popular series "Boku No Hero Academia".

>>89199731
>family guy
>hope
What did he mean by this?

>>89199707
There's a few ways to tell.

1. Is the character a character beyond "I'M GAY"
2. Was the character later made gay post-series (See Harry Potter)
3. Has the creator come out and outright said they adding gays just for the sake of having a gay/diversity?
4. Is the majority of marketing for the series centered around bringing up it has a gay character or talking about how gay it is?

>>89199732
Because they're generally well written over there.
Westerners have trouble writing gay characters beyond that they're gay

>>89199752
It's A Wonderful Day For Pie =/= Family Guy.

Note that stander Family Guy is part of "what not to do in a cartoon".

>>89199279

So fucking what, it's no different from shippers wanting a specific male and female character pair up together. Why aren't you decrying about the degeneracy of forcing all this artificial heterosexual coupling on us?

>>89199560
>What did the writer say?
Basically that their "relationship" is up to the viewers or some bullshit like that even though Victor's design is based on a real-life gay figure skater. Surprsingly enough the show isn't even the gayest anime that aired last year but its undoubtedly the most popular.
> with a kiss
Censored also guys can kiss and not be gay
>engagement rings
Good luck rings.

Basically LOTS AND LOTS of subtext which is common in these fujoshi shows.
>>89199597
She made the world in YOI one in which love isn't discriminated against anyone hence why there isn't a huge outcry on social media of all things after seeing two dudes kiss in front of live television or not having people question the masculinity of others when performing female skating routines (which is actually a big no-no in that profession) hence why the show was a big hit with the LGBT community since it confines with their delusions of what the world should be in Japan its a hit because of the cute guys since their sexuality is never an issue in show just something to put fujoshi's hearts aflutter. I doubt the writer was trying to protect herself just didn't want the show to be about those issues because it would distract from the main theme about mutual love.

>>89199541
Bugs Bunny is a transsexual stereotype.
Have you ever met a transwoman?
They all have that Bugs Bunny personality.

And having such a thoughtless and dismissive excuse for why it was ONLY Bugs who's uniquely known for that is clear evidence that you're just choosing to tell yourself lies here.
That wouldn't be so bad if you weren't making it /co/'s problem by posting this bullshit.

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>>89197922
Hopefully never because you know for a fact he'll be written for the sole purpose of being a faggot, that'll be his entire character and tumblrites will jerk off over it until a time where no one really has much of a problem with gays anymore and suddenly gays will be seen as misogynistic shitlords because they don't want to fuck women.

You know the modern cartoon industry couldn't write a decent protagonist who just happens to like dicks to save their life.

>>89199756
>Is the majority of marketing for the series centered around bringing up it has a gay character or talking about how gay it is?
yuri and yoi are almost always about this
>>89199769
You just ignore every good gay character so you can keep saying that.

fyi the skating consultant for this show was on Japan's Olympic team. a large number of professional skaters watch yuri on ice and confirm the accuracy, also because figures skaters are lala homoboys

>>89199801
>You just ignore every good gay character so you can keep saying that.
Show me three made in the last five years.
>yuri and yoi are almost always about this

Yes and yuri/yaoi shows are almost always shit because they rely on it to sell.

>>89199652
I can't relate to gay relationships, and I don't find them particularly engaging. The one time I recall it being done well was in Mission Hill, because the characters were characters outside of being gay.

So yeah, genius, you cracked the code. Now you can call everyone who you disagree with a homophobe. Again.

>>89199649
It is when it gets added to a show/franchise that I like just to show how progressive it is.

>>89199732
It's not an argument, it's a veiled threat.
That anon was threatening to harm people.

>>89199795
Thanks for clearing things up. So it's Nanoha tier teasing. Motherfuckers. Even Madoka doesn't hide the rabu that much.

>>89199817
>That anon was threatening to harm people.
No I wasn't, holy shit you are stupid.

>Hey man you shouldn't jump off that roof, you'll probably break your legs
>BRO ARE YOU FUCKING THREATENING ME RIGHT NOW?

>>89199795
>the gayest anime that aired last year
Wait, which one is that? Other than just straight-up BL shows.

>>89199795
>guys can kiss and not be gay
>Good luck rings

kek

>>89198531
I wish I lived a life where this, of all things, is my biggest complaint

>>89199810
Like what?

>>89199820
>So it's Nanoha tier teasing.
Honestly they can come out being gay in the next season and nobody would be surprise just that as of now the show itself does not confirm anything and probably won't since them being gay isn't the point of the show.

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>>89199834
Not a fan of sports?

>>89199732
Because they write trannies and gay people as stereotypical an purposefully overblown for a joke.

That shit don't fly here.

>>89199851
Fucking Europe

>>89198531
>first world problems
You people are so fucking spoiled.

>>89199756

>1. Is the character a character beyond "I'M GAY"

I haven't seen that that much. It's not really a problem to be concerned about it because it barely happens.

>Was the character later made gay post-series (See Harry Potter)

What if the artist just felt like making a character gay? What if the series was made in a time when revealing a character was gay would've gotten them into some trouble, so they decided to wait until it became socially acceptable to reveal it? What if it was never really an issue that popped up in the series (for example, not having a romance plot would mean there's not many reasons for a character's sexuality to be revealed), and was just a fun fact the artist revealed in a random interview?

>>89199756

>Has the creator come out and outright said they adding gays just for the sake of having a gay/diversity?

What's wrong with that as long as the character is interesting beyond being gay? What if you read about that after you consumed the artist's work? Would you retroactively become annoyed? Would you build a time machine and tell your past self "stop liking that character, I read an interview in the future"? Are you going to start judging things based on what the artists says outside of things?

>Is the majority of marketing for the series centered around bringing up it has a gay character or talking about how gay it is?

Marketers don't create things, artists do. Marketers can say whatever they want to sell things. Their job is to sell things, not make things, so why take marketers into account when judging something?

>>89199756
Who was made gay in HP?

>>89199798
You have never been to a /sug/.

>>89199810
>"I don't relate to their relationships, therefor they shouldn't exist!"

Fuck off with that shit.
I don't relate to two fatties hooking up and falling in love, that doesn't mean that I demand all media that has even background or supporting characters that fit that description be banned forever.
You know why I don't demand that? Because I'm not an asshole who thinks the world revolves around me.
Get over yourself.

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>>89199861

Daily reminder.

>>89199873
Dumbledorf or whatever his name is

>>89199810

>I can't relate to gay relationships

"i can't relate to x character because of their race/sexuality/etc" is the same exact argument sjws use when arguing for forced diversity.

>>89199888
When did they say that he was straight?

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>>89199853
>stereotypical and purposefully overblown
Isn't that what faggots complain about here? That they gay people are forced in and their characters are just "I'm gay!"?

Why is it any different?
And if that's the case, then why do they want it downplayed here but it's okay in animes?

>>89199829
>Other than just straight-up BL shows.
Those are the only examples.
>>89199820
They've gone farther than Nanoha and Fate have in the entire franchise but its still teasing (Good luck rings) since nothing is really confirmed and in that setting your sexuality does not matter like in all fujoshi shows.

>>89199906
Same time they said Heromine was black.

>>89199225
>Pushing leftist agendas in so much media made people sick of them
>A good way to make them care about something is to push it in their face over and over

>>89199906
JK was willing to retcon Heromine being white, do you really think making him gay all those years later wasn't just for diversity brownie pointes?
>>89199930
Care isn't inherently good.
You can care about something and hate it.
I care that my neighbor's dog shits on my lawn, doesn't mean I like it.

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>>89199938
The facts are that dumbledore's sexuality was never established to begin with so that's the end of this argument.

@89199942
>/pol/ boogyman

>>89199839
What do you mean like what? To what part of my statement?

>>89199861
That's a great argument, buddy. Tell me about institutionalized racism and patriarchy next.

>>89199879
I never said it shouldn't exist. I'm aware that gay media exists, and I've never tried to force my beliefs and presences on it. I just don't consume that type of media.

But now it's in everything. There's always gotta be the token gay couple, and we gotta make sure to hammer that shit in.

>>89199938
I dunno, I thought young Dumbledore and Grindlewald were kinda gay even before the reveal.

>>89199958
Doesn't make it any less forced.

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>>89199962
I've lived in a third world country before and you're nothing more than a spoiled brat that's never faced any real hardship before.
>>89199975
Yes it does, retard.

>>89199916
>Isn't that what faggots complain about here? That they gay people are forced in and their characters are just "I'm gay!"?
But it's done as a joke over in Japland. Take your picture related, who hits on and sexualizes the other people in the show and is played up for comedy.

It's not played up for comedy in western media, because that'd offend someone.

>>89199921
To be honest I used to think she always intended Dumbledore to be gay, but her making Hermoine black to appease fans has me doubting that.

>>89199960
Have you not seen this thread?

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>>89197922
yes and yes
and there will be just as much shitposting on both sides
god this decade will be a ride

>tfw just want all kinds of characters that are well-written but thats apparently too hard for too many

>>89197922
The only reason there's so much gay shit in anime is because Japan thinks gays are fantasy creatures, like black people.

>>89199988
>I've lived in a third world country before and you're nothing more than a spoiled brat that's never faced any real hardship before.
That sucks, glad you got out of it. I haven't eaten in two days and am waiting on a paycheque to clear so I can eat. Or wait, now I'm a cripple who gets molested by bears. Or now I'm an LGBFGJGJGJGJ oppressed kin. We can play the victim game all you want, but that doesn't change what the fuck we're talking about.

Stefan would find your reasoning fucking insulting, because you got nothing. That's why you're spazzing out like a twit.

>>89199809

Bunker, whatshisname from the Vibe's short lived solo series and Colton from Gothan Academy.

>>89197922
Batman got a cartoon.

>>89198711
It's super fucking gay compared to Free, which was a regular sport series with boy-ass shots. Like dudes get faux-married in it and everybody's like "Congratulations for tying the knot!"

Not like I care, Imma sucker for marriage ceremonies in the first place.

>>89200029
Stefan is a fucking retard who's a useful meme but I wouldn't expect a spoiled brat to have any self-awareness.

>>89199906
There's a bigoted assumption of heteronormality in the minds of the intolerant.
They demand that all people must be born heterosexual, and any evidence or depiction otherwise must therefore be suppressed.
It's part of their mythical narrative that all deviation from approved sexual activities is "unnatural" and somehow a form of "moral"corruption from what their fictitious religions describe (usually only in their own minds) as what their all-controlling magic sky-god created.
Pray for them, for they are truly damned for these acts of false prophesy and idol worship .

>>89199721
Given that Japan doesn't believe that dyslexia exists, I wouldn't put too much stock in anything they purport to be reality.

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>>89199989
But that's the thing, a lot of them are made as jokes and really play up the "I'M GAY" or "I'M A TRANNY" stuff,
but at the same time they're actually good characters with varying amounts of depth.

One of my favorites is Chaplin from Deadman Wonderland.
He was just a really flamboyant tranny at first, but he actually came to be very helpful and had a really nice, tragic story like the rest of the cast.

>>89199919
Feels like they do that shit just to keep the franchises alive. Nobody would bother at this point with a confirmation in nanoha, madoka or yoi. It's kinda like sakura kill where they keep haruka an idiot that doesn''t get love even if she kisses Yuu in every chapter. They see a confirmed relationship like the fucking end of all things.

>>89200050
Which is why you're using his catchphrase, you fucking mong.

Yeah, keep up the spoiled brat routine. If you projected any harder I could charge admission fees and sell popcorn.

>>89200056
>There's a bigoted assumption of heteronormality in the minds of the intolerant.
It's almost like a sexually reproductive species needs heteronoramlity to continue it's existence.

>>89200074
Yeah, and it's ironic because of it. They play up the "SUPER GAY/SUPER TRANNY" but they flesh the character out, and the gay/tranny stuff ends up being a gag that helps contrast with the deeper stuff.

You can't do that in western media, because you'd get called offensive, homophobic, transphobic, etc for doing so.

Also damn Deadman Wonderland's artist had one long maternity leave. Wasn't it like 4 years?

>>89199829
Flip flappers? they even tackle the ore than friends less than lovers issues. Though it was more a coming of age story where the mc happened to be gay.

>>89200056
>It's part of their mythical narrative that all deviation from approved sexual activities is "unnatural" and somehow a form of "moral"corruption from what their fictitious religions describe (usually only in their own minds) as what their all-controlling magic sky-god created.
R/Atheism is that way kiddo

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>>89200124
You are such a butthurt little brat.

>>89200149
Probably older than you. But nah, let's examine what you have to do.

You have to pin universally reviled presumed traits onto me because you can't actually argue my point. So you have to be a huge cowardly shit and strawman me for shit I haven't even inferred.

But no, anon. I'm sure your horrible third world country stay gives you the right to decry everything else and invalidate it.

But hey, let's go this way. There are kids starving in Africa. How can you justify posting on 4chan when you could be helping them?

>>89199962
>But now it's in everything. There's always gotta be the token gay couple

I'm pro art. I don't care what position a piece of media takes, as long as it's an honest position of the creator.

Some of it may be pandering, but some of it is honest. Either way, you're going to see it represented more in entertainment, because there are more gays in entertainment, and more liberal minded people too. There's no rule that media has to statistically reflect real society.

You can disagree with them, but there's no point in being angry at them for telling stories the way they see it. You can't begrudge people with an honest opinion.

>>89200187

>You can't begrudge people with an honest opinion.

this
i get it if somebody is being dishonest because they want more attention, but most of the time it's just the artist doing what they want.

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>>89200186
>There are kids starving in Africa. How can you justify posting on 4chan when you could be helping them?
I don't have the money or talent needed fix them.

>>89200027
I almost reported you for your shitpost, but ignorance this severe needs information.
Try to enema out your brain.
Trans/genderbend in Anime exists so hard because of Ranma 1/2's success, it spawned about a dozen genres and sub-genres including the Harem genre, the Reverse-harem genre, Yuri romance, The formulaic one-joke comedy form, yaddayaddayadda... and Genderbend.
The Yuri romance part was because in Ranma' the female lead was butch and Ranma was sometimes a girl, subject matter that was strictly taboo in Japan despite Guy/Guy gay being acceptable, and that's how an industry discovered a way to exploit the LESBIAN market without breaking Japan's strict social taboos about even depicting anything lez...
And that's why early genderbend in anime and manga are always involving faux lez relationships.
Then because it's fuckin' Japan they turned all things trans into a fetish for perv guys...

And that's how that all came to be.

>>89200186
>But hey, let's go this way. There are kids starving in Africa. How can you justify posting on 4chan when you could be helping them?

By actively contributing financially to that sort of causes for over ten years.

>>89200187
I don't begrudge the honest few that want to do something with it, but it usually seems more like covering their bases and trying to virtue signal.

A good example is the ending of Korra. Or how every recent show lately has had a "SUDDENLY LESBIANS" part, because they know people will eat that shit up.

And it sounds bad, but I don't like consuming media with that stuff in it. Mostly because it'll always overshadow anything else in the show, but I'll admit a more personal bias.

>>89200216
You could donate soup cans, or raise awareness for charity, or send old clothing.

>>89199158

I wasn't a racist until I had to endure National Service with Muslims. Now I'm an Islamaphobe.

>>89200251

>but it usually seems more like covering their bases and trying to virtue signal.

But the problem is you're assuming that based off of your feelings.

>>89200251
>You could donate soup cans, or raise awareness for charity, or send old clothing.
The amount of positivity that it would create is negligible.

>>89200245
>Trans/genderbend in Anime exists so hard because of Ranma 1/2's success, it spawned about a dozen genres and sub-genres including the Harem genre, the Reverse-harem genre, Yuri romance, The formulaic one-joke comedy form, yaddayaddayadda... and Genderbend
Ranma 1/2 didn't spawn any of that. What it did spawn was the modern definition of a tsundere.
>The Yuri romance part was because in Ranma' the female lead was butch and Ranma was sometimes a girl, subject matter that was strictly taboo in Japan despite Guy/Guy gay being acceptable
The fuck you on about? Akane wasn't butch in the least, excepting her hobbies. She was actually quite self conscious about not being feminine enough.
Ranma, even when he was female, was always clearly a guy and any romantic scene with him and Akane had him as a guy.

>>89200271
I'm assuming it because I find it highly unlikely that we've suddenly gone from underrepresentation to overrespresentation on sheer chance. It's something that sells and people know it. Sure, some people are honestly all about it, but I think they're massively outnumbered by those who just want to capitalize.

Remember the questionable content guy, and how he was harassed over this kind of shit until he broke down and introduced a tranny love interest? You cannot tell me that's a statement of artistic merit.

>>89200279
If we're being brutally and sadly honest the best we can do for africa is let their population stabilize. Outside support is causing a population boom that they can't sustain.

>>89199904

At some point, you realize the moral high ground is worthless. SJWs lie and distort the truth, the only sane response is to do the same. Otherwise, you're bringing a knife to a gunfight - Playing by rules no one cares about.

Given Trump's success, it's clear that thw bullshit fusillade is the best idea.

>>89199820

It's mostly fans projecting. For instance, the reason for Sayaka's breakdown is that she REALLY wants to fuck this boy.

>>89200334
I've always said that the moral highground is useless if you lose.

You can lose with all the dignity in the world, but you still lost and will be eventually a forgotten memory.

>>89200027

Yeah, there's no outcry in Japan because those are niche fetishes. Gay men is like scat porn - It's there, it's not popular, but it can be found.

>>89200251

I get you. I didn't much like the Korra ending either, because it seemed shoddily told. But that small part alone didn't ruin what I did like from the show, and I also didn't see it as virtue signaling because I largely avoided the online fandom. (Honestly, more people who get riled up by stuff like that should avoid social media and the kind of places where that happens.)

>And it sounds bad, but I don't like consuming media with that stuff in it.

You have every right to do so. We all like what we like. I just hope fewer people allow one or two social issues completely dictate their judgement on art, which by its nature will always have some form of propaganda. Flatly dismissing a show for having gays, and ergo an agenda, would be like people who gave The Incredibles bad reviews just because the story had some Randian-like ideas.

>>89200142
Puh-Lease...
Honestly now, there's no such thing as a practical or ethical excuse to persecute homosexuality.
There's unease based upon personal esthetics and discomfort due to immaturity and inexperience with sexuality in general.
Those are the only reasons to object to just being exposed to the concept without basing the objection on "morality" as defined by arbitrary cultural norms.
And that's when it inevitably gets into religious "reasons" that impose one person's religious standards of behavior upon another who does not follow that faith.
So ATHEISM as a rejection of false pious justifications seems fair.

>>89200332

>I'm assuming it because I find it highly unlikely that we've suddenly gone from underrepresentation to overrespresentation on sheer chance

It's not sheer chance. Gays have become more accepted in society lately, so artists now feel safe to put them in their work without getting negative backlash. Do you live under a rock?

>>89200334

>i hate sjws so im going to do everything that makes people hate them

okay

>>89200360
Sayaka worst everything. I meant Homu going full homo in rebellion equipped with a lambda symbol and all.

>>89200124
Raising a child is a lot of work.

>>89197922
>Yuri on ice
>Gay male protganonist
Fuck off dirty woman

>>89200400
I'll tell you the two things I hate most, and what I truly consider the worst of pandering. Korra meets one of those.

>previously straight character is suddenly gay
>old character is removed to be introduced with gay character

I had more problems with Korra than just that. In fact, if I could retcon Korra entirely I would. It failed on basic storytelling, consistency and character development, not to mention retroactively making TLA sour.

But you can't talk about that, because Korrasami gives the good ole "YOU'RE JUST A HOMOPHOBE" cop out.

>>89198531
>I can't recall the last time I saw a show/film/game with all straight charcaters.
Then stop seeking out shows/films/games with a game character in them, because I can't recall when I last saw something with a homosexual in it.

>>89200410

See? You're arguing from a position of irrelevancy. No one cares about being 'in the right' any longer, 2016 destroyed that. Literally all that matters is winning, because there is no truth. Everyone has an agenda and everything is a lie.

Why shouldn't my position be more valid than yours, even if it's reprehensible? I find your position reprehensible, too. Let's just settle it with a fistfight, last man standing wins the argument.

>>89200477

I honestly didn't know homosexuals existed until I was almost 20. I mean, I'd never met one up to that point.

>>89200470
I can't recall a single time a human has used that defense that wasn't on tumblr, and if you think they represent anything close to normal then you're as crazy as they are.

>>89200410
>It's not sheer chance. Gays have become more accepted in society lately, so artists now feel safe to put them in their work without getting negative backlash
And instead now they fear negative backlash for NOT putting gay characters into a story. See the point about Questionable Content.

So we've switched from one pressure to another. It's just a pressure you prefer.

>>89200429
That doesn't invalidate anything I just said. Heternormativity exists in sexually reproductive species because the species would go extinct if it didn't.

>>89200470

Bisexuality is a thing, but I'm in firmly in the "Mako is such a terrible guy that he drives every woman he meets to lesbianism" camp.

>>89200530
I've had it used in person when I said it came out of nowhere.

Fuck, the CREATORS used it.

>>89200537
I was referring to your statement on the Deadman Wonderland author, dude.

>>89200289
Anon, go ask /a/ about what you've just posted. I'm sure they must have a Ranma or genderbend thread up over there and they will confirm both that Ranma 1/2 was the first manga to have Yuri themes and that it was the origin of the genderbend trend in all things /a/, also ask them about the first Harem, Reverse-harem, parody, romantic comedy formula, episodic one-joke comedy, OH, and while you're at it ask them where the wash-basin gag first appeared.
It was all Ranma 1/2, also all /a/ topic conversations that we shouldn't have on /co/.

>>89200523
And I had a teacher who is homosexual, the stereotypical one who has a soft voice, likes Madonna, the colour pink and fully stuff.

Didn't know he was gay until someone pointed it out to me

>>89200569
Oh. Yeah, true. Just thought it was funny because it was described as pregnanct leave.

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>>89197922
I think it's slowly going to that direction. One reason why the nips did it sooner and better is that they're more used to making plain drama in animation form, whereas in the west the "LAUGHS FOR KIDS" mindset still rules over animation so strongly slapping in gay protagonists might more easily get interpreted as homo propaganda.

Also Yuri on Ice did it right in the sense that the MCs being gay for each other didn't feel like a gimmick slapped on for muh progressive points, but it actually served the plot; the dynamic of Yuri having always admired Victor, holding him as his great idol and having dreamed of competing against him as equals on the same ice would have been impossible with a het pairing since men and women compete in different series in sports. The relationship is developed organically and without any of the seme-uke bullshit, the focus is on the sport itself and the growth of both and they just happen to be both men.

So, I think that when both the general approach to animation in the west (or USA) shifts further from the FOR KIDS mentality AND we'd get writers and producers capable of just having characters be gay without getting carried away by how proggressive they are and how significant this is or bullshit like that, we might get gay protagonists. Paranorman already had a gay supportive side character.

>>89200586
>bestiality or pedophilia
>comparing gay adults to animals or little children
come the fuck on

>>89200478

>I have autism

I'm proud of you for admitting that, anon. It's the first step to recovery.

>>89200537

>And instead now they fear negative backlash for NOT putting gay characters into a story.

The majority of things do not have gay characters.

>>89200572
/a/ is and always will be full of shit.

>not knowing Ranma was adopted by /co/

>>89200586
>beastiality or child molestation even slightly comprable to homosexuality
Anon seriously. What the hell.

>>89200615

You know what I think? I think your parents didn't beat you enough, and what you really wanted was your father's cock in your ass.

>>89200631

Jesus, man.

>>89200537

>And instead now they fear negative backlash for NOT putting gay characters into a story.

By that logic, every piece of media today would have a gay character, and the minority would be media that does not have gay characters in them.

People are not afraid of being a part of the majority. That's retarded.

>>89200614
I don't agree with him, but there has been a push for pedophilia lately with the same argument.

"It's not their fault, it's okay if they don't hurt anybody".

Go back 20 years and they'd say that about gays.

>>89200631

It's okay anon, one day scientists will find a cure for your autism.

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>this entire thread
and
>>89200631
>>89200641

>>89200651

Exactly. I can't see most writers secretly longing to put gay characters in their stories. If you asked Tolkien, he'd have been like "What the fu - No, you idiot."

>>89200586
Now, this is unironically autism.

>>89200616
Christ, Toonami I can understand because it's on USATV, the AniMemes are on every board so that's a given, but /co/ "adopted" Ranma'?
WTF anons?!?

>>89200655
>but there has been a push for pedophilia lately with the same argument
I have never seen that argument, and besides it can instantly shot down with the "fully consenting adults" requirement. Pedophilia is not and can not ever be similar to homosexuality because gay men or women are still adults with a clear head who are capable of consenting and have the ability and right to decide for themselves over their own sexuality, which is not the case with kids or animals.

>>89200722

Can we adopt Sword Art Online? We're at the point where it's more heterosexual and male-orientated than most of the stuff on /co/.

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>>89200586
>unironically caring what other people do consensually
Nobody's scared of ineffectual pouting that society ought to cater to their whims, anon.

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>>89200586
>Homosexuality = Beastiality/Pedophilia now

Anon, stop being stupid

>>89200655
It depends on whether one thinks children can consent. I happen to think they can't. So do the courts, apparently.

Nobody is really taking them seriously.

>>89200586
You might be gay.

>>89200730
You'd be surprised how closely tied pedophilia and the gay movement is, anon.

Look up what Kinsey got up to.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/gay-activists-in-germany-silent-on-alliance-with-pedophiles-in-1980s-a-919119.html

>>89200673

>I can't see most writers secretly longing to put gay characters in their stories

Most writers? Are you saying that most things today have a gay character in them?

>>89200779
Being bi is a thing my dude

>>89200792
Literally who?

>>89200779

As an aside, the whole 'closeted' argument is silly. Did Dylan Roof get dumped by a black girl? Did the Nazis actually long for kosher Jew ass? Did the KKK lynch black people because they really liked black women?

Hate is hate. The rest is wishful thinking.

>>89200804
The guy who made the whole "everyone is bisexual" thing? The guy who spearheaded that direction in the rights movement?

If only you knew. Hell, I doubt you even know the bullshit that lead to the "gender identity" is learned shit.

>>89200813
I'm not German so I wouldn't know about any of that.

>>89198531
Lol shut the fuck up you honestly sound super retarded

>>89200821
The gender identity thing is actually Canadian. During a botched circumcision an infant boy's penis was badly damaged, so John Money suggested surgery to turn it into a vagina and recommended they raise him as a girl.

The boy failed to identify as a female when forced into the role, and John Money had him do sexually suggestive thing with his twin brother, such as sexual position and other things. The boy never identified as a girl, and later in life transitioned back to being a man. The sexual abuse by John Money later lead both him and his brother to commit suicide.

This was the case that lead John Money to put forward the theory of gender identity being learned.

>>89198842
Wait those two were actually gay?

>>89200813
Kinsey's widely discredited, especially within the LGBT community. You would know that if you'd really done as much reading as you insinuate the other anon didn't.

Rhetorics change. Ethics change. It is as unfair to associate him with the modern movement as it is to associate Le Pen the senior with the modern-day Front Nationale, or conversely Malcolm X with the Nation of Islam, or the Republican Party with Abraham Lincoln.

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I hope they're masculine, for once

>>89198842
Lies they weren't gay

>>89198898
Learn to use green text wtf

>>89198179
I abhor what fujoshi have done to this franchise. Voltron is about fucking robots, not fucking homos.

>>89199502
Being engaged isn't gay

>>89197922
Ren and Stimpy?

>>89200981
Ren being a violent rapist and Stimpy being a heavy sleeper with a thick cushion of butt to absorb the impact easily ... doesn't count.

>>89200601
>writers and producers capable of just having characters be gay without getting carried away by how proggressive they are and how significant this is or bullshit like that
Let's not kid ourselves. They'll be the first ones to make gay protagonists and it's going to be horrible.

>>89200641
This thread is AIDS, but this is 4chan. Grow a thicker skin.

>>89200631

Do you talk out of personal experience?

>>89200661
Broccoli sprouts. Look it up.

>>89200810
>Did the Nazis actually long for kosher Jew ass?

Landser-literature is pretty gay. Also full of people appreciating the HORSE PUSSY.

>>89200739
SAO really upset me, it was really-really unexpectedly rapey.
Disturbing Japan stuff like that has to stay on it's own board for as long as we can keep it contained there.
It's a matter of board survival.
We have to at least try.

>>89198196

It's not gays that push for it anon. It's women that fetishize gays.

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>>89200810
Yeah, but suggesting they're attracted to the thing they hate is a surefire way to bait them.

>>89198196

well super heroes make up 0% of the population

checkmate /co/

>>89201382

Well then mathematically there should be zero representation for them because 5 times 0 is 0. King me.

This is the gayest thread I've ever seen

>>89201476

First day?

>>89198531
When was the last time you saw a show with less then 20 characters.

>>89198739
Gay males in american televison are more likely to be used as comic relief

>>89201245

Really? I thought it was super-hot, especially the ass-kicking that followed. The greatest missed opportunity was giving Kirito a girlfriend - If not, he could have fucked Sinon right in front of that guy who was obsessed with her.

>>89200792
>the gay movement
Lel
Do you also think any man interested in tits and pussy is a member of "the hetero movement"?

Seriously I find it so hilarious how certain people seem to think that people's sexualities are completely up in the air and whether or not someone ends up gay or straight is largely the result of what they see in media and entertainment. Makes me thing a huge chunk of homophobes are bisexuals who are just horrified by their own homolust, or something

>>89200601
What Yuri!!! on Ice did well what Western show with gay characters don't is that they made the fact the main characters are gay no big deal.

Western shows and comics will have announcements about introducing gay characters as plot. They try to bait entertainment outlets into covering their show because it's 'so progressive' when most of these shows only add it to increase ratings usually when they start to drop. It's either a last resort to save the show or a 'special episode' in order to get an Emmy.

YoI had no announcement. The creators are not acting like they are the new saviors of gay people. The show did not tackle lgbt issues nor did it resort to stereotypes. It's not forced in either instead the relationship wasn't even planned but the writers could not see the characters without them being inseparable from each other. The relationship is the natural conclusion for the characters.

>>89201684

Nips tend to be pretty upfront as to why they put gays in their media. They're usually either comedy or fujobait but nobody ever acts like they're making the world a better place by including them. Japan doesn't have SJWs like we do and virtue signalling seems like something their culture would be opposed to. You don't signal shit in Japan. You just get in line.

>>89201086
Yeah I'm sure that the first few gay protagonists will be written absolutely atrociously and their sexual identity will be made into a progress brownie point badge of honor, but I hope that eventually the writers would move away from "they're gay, so progressive!" and just treat it as a trait of the mc among others.

In general, I'm hoping that this hypersensitive muh representation safe space 1001 gender pronouns militant tolerance & inclusivity trigger warning phase will pass, sort of like the pc hysteria of the 90s. Maybe it won't go away entirely but it's gotten ridiculous to the point where it's threatening free speech and freedom of academic debate in universities etc, so inevitably there'll be pushback at some point. Perhaps the approach to gays in media might ease up at the same time? Dunno.

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>>89201684
>they made the fact the main characters are gay no big deal.
Yeah, this. In the first ep it even seemed like Yuri would have a classic childhood crush on a woman, but then his relationship with his idol just started naturally deepening to the point where it began to be obvious that there's also some romance and desire there.

It felt natural and matter-of-fact and took a back seat to the main plot of overcoming your limitations and growing as an athlete through learning to love yourself and others to the point of breaking a world record. It wasn't a media point or a flag to be paraded around at all, like OH HEY LOOK A GAY MC GAY DID WE MENTION THEY'RE GAY THIS IS GROUNDBREAKING WE'RE SO PROGRESSIVE IT'S 2017 WOW SUCH REPRESENTATION WE'RE SO SIGNIFICANT.

Sure the fandom, namely the western fandom on tumblr etc was making those sort of all caps posts, but the show itself didn't treat is as anything special, they didn't even admit it's full-on gay or address it much at all, the plot just progressed that way. The storyverse even is some sort of zero-homophobia AU land so they didn't even write in any dramatic struggle against hate or anything, it's literally just like a well-written het relationship and it feels natural that the characters can't stand to be apart. It's really refreshing.

>>89201810
They also made them so obviously into each other. I roll my eyes when people discount the kiss or engagement and call it bait. There is absolutely no denying that these characters are in love. The Yuuko flashback is hilarious in hindsight because it can be considered hetbaiting. It's 80% about Victor and only 20% about Yuuko. It's also funny how people treated Yuuri's and Victor's relationship before the reveal. Both were quite clearly coded as gay(/bi) despite this series not resorting to stereotypes. Yuuri had an obvious celeb crush on Victor while Victor himself was inspired by different gay men and spoke about his past relationships in gender neutral terms and also skated to a song about a man longing for another man. Yet people could not believe the show would actually deliver. We'd been blueballed by other series so many times that even when the hints were crystal clear we still denied it.

>>89201810
>The storyverse even is some sort of zero-homophobia AU land

This was really the most hilarious part, especially with the SOUJA, the Korean and the Russian Yuri not negatively commenting on how fricking homo everything is even once.

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>>89201947
>Both were quite clearly coded as gay(/bi) despite this series not resorting to stereotypes.
I really liked this part. In hindsight Viktor is so obviously gay, he's really /fa/, he's skating this really romantic "I'm tired of hearing of other people's romances, I'm ready to leave (skating) with you my love" routine to a song sung by male to a male, he talks of past affairs with gender neutral terms and is constantly hitting on Yuri, but he doesn't really slip into this comedic stereotype faggotry. It's even played with; in the beginning it seems like he's just an overly affectionate weird foreigner who doesn't get social norms in Japan - but it turns out that nah, he was intentionally full-on hitting on Yuri all the time and knew exactly how he came across. All the "I'd be very happy to see you naked" and "I'll be your lover if you want" and that, he straightforwardly meant it. It's a brilliant twist.

And Yuri is clearly just repressing his gayness and is sort of clueless about sexuality in general. He clearly finds Viktor to be sex on skates, apparently has practically zero past romantic or sexual experience (my eros is a katsudon bowl, what the fuck Yuri), didn't understand that that girl in Chigago was hitting on him, but he's just so in denial about his emotions that he's even trying to no homo it to himself. He buys them engagement rings ffs and still lies to himself about what it's for. It's adorable.

Personally, I've never really shipped any gay pairings or been into gay romance before as it often felt somehow, uh, unrealistic or tacked-on. Like the strict roles of having the other be a dainty pretty boy moeblob and all that. But YOI did it really well, so that you forget that the lovers are gay, and I really like how their dynamic ends up pretty equal - they both act in charge and vulnerable at times, neither is a trembling trap, it's clearly two men.

>>89202051
SOUJA?

> people act like we don't get dozens of popular fujoshits shows a year
> fans act like YOI is the second coming


Also, anyone who wants the western industry to resemble japan's is retarded. Have fun supporting your show with overpriced merchandise that we're expected to buy ten times each.

Why can't there be a middle between people that like Nakamura shit and "muh show is better because it's not like those other BL!"

>>89202260
>anyone who wants the western industry to resemble japan's
I don't think this was indicated at all?

>>89202277
Well, the answer to "are there enough western fujoshis to support a show like this"? Is no, because the habits of western fujoshi and japanese fujoshi are vastly different in terms of comsuption (there reason we don't get many BL games in english for example, is that western fujoshi still use pirating as their main source of getting media, for example).

You'd have more luck with something that both fujos and gays like, though.

>>89202307
>something that both fujos and gays like
Yeah, and ideally write it so well it'd even appeal to non-fujo straights because it's just a good and well-executed story instead of muh represuntenshun or muh cliche forbidden homolust-chan

>>89202393
I don't see all of that happening in a cartoon/comic anytime soon, but hey, dreaming is free.

>>89202167
>SOUJA?
The Kirgese(?) guy. He called himself and Yuri "soldiers" and used the engrish "souja" that was also used in MD Geist's theme song.

>>89202260
>"muh show is better because it's not like those other BL!"
Honestly, most BL is on par with capeshit when it comes to how repetetive and cliche the shit is. Only reason to stick with the genre is that they will slash anything, from cavemen to robots.

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>>89202812
Ah, you talk of Otabek, the hero of Kazakhstan

dat anime is truly an ideological sabotage against mother Russia

>>89198064
Steven' not only straight, he gets more action than the average cartoon boy protagonist.

>>89202895
Give us back our islands.

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>>89202895
How do you mean? Viktor is a superhuman living legend who's been wiping the international sporting floor with his opponents for years and Russki Yuri won gold and broke a world record in his first adult GP. If anything the anime makes Russians seem like gorgeous ultra-talented dreamboats, slight alcoholism or emo angst or not

>>89198196
>hurr gays are over repsresented because there are only 5% it wont be accurate
Not only is this the most autistic argument againts having gay characters or minority characters, but whites barely even make up 50% of the worlds population, are you claiming whites are over represented in media and we should make it more accurate by having a predominatly asian cast?

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>>89200924
That psychic bond with the lions? Problematic sometimes.

>>89199975
What is exactly bad or "forced" about it? It's nothing more than character building like mentioning childhood backstories or hobbies. It's literally only because he's gay, you can deny it all you want but I doubt you'd overreact in a scenario like
>JKR: Hey guys here's a fun fact did you know Dumbledore was also a fan of stamp collecting?
>OMG SO FORCED AND UNNESCESARRY SJW KEK NO NEED FOR THAT! WHATS WITH THIS STAMP COLLECTING AGENDA?!

>>89202812
>Honestly, most BL is on par with capeshit when it comes to how repetetive and cliche the shit is

Yeah, but that's like people having only read watchmen because it's sooo different and then declare themselves cape fans.

I don't mind YoI fans, but girls that like it but dislike all other BL are barely fujos imo.

>>89198780
But you expect it to revolve around yours which is hypocritical

>>89203172
>girls that like it but dislike all other BL are barely fujos imo.
Yeah, maybe they're not fujos but just yoi fans then? I'm sure it's ok to like just one show without loving everything in the genre

>>89203293
Follow the conversarion, anon.

It is fine to just like YoI, but what's not fine is calling yourself a fujo when you actively dislike everything else.

>>89203293
There isn't much point in claiming that you're a Fujo based on liking a show that barely ticks any of BL's checkboxes. Like plenty of girls like Saiyūki and Gundam Wing without being Fujos and without actually being into BL as a genre...

>>89198179
Fuck off.

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>>89197922
there arent any western shows that have any canonically gay characters as protagonists just yet because its "not the right time" or whatever. (youre talking about kid shows right?)
even the ones that do have gay characters, theyre background characters and dont matter at all because once homophobic parents find out their kids are watching gay shit theyll ban them from watching it.
maybe a few years down the line there will be a gay male kid as a protagonist or some gay male teen who isnt overly flamboyant or creepy. where the writers wont focus entirely on him loving men because he loves men but doesnt obsess over it.
western fujoshi arent accepted regardless and the show will flop if people hate it so who cares about that.

>>89198179
With only one season under its belt fujos have made the Voltron fandom as toxic as AtLA's Zutara bullshit.

>>89200032
>shortlived.

>>89203489
>>89203376
Is it the fans themselves calling themselves fujos? I've been called a fujo just for liking YOI, even though I've never been much into gay romance before. I was under the impression people were also talking of fans who really like YOI but aren't into BL (boys love, I assume?) in general, but I may have misunderstood.

Lets be honest, the only reason there are gays in shows is for straight degenerates or virtue signaling.

Anyone remember the Battle Lovers anime?
Ryuu is best boy

>>89199482
>replacing trash with even shittier trash

>>89199599
Or if Korra suddenly got together with Asami- Oh wait.

>>89199707
Korra

>>89201810
This is gay conversion and should be banned

I assume all the talk of token gays is about comic characters? I can only think of a few stand out examples in cartoons, and even then most are just ambiguous or far in the background. To say modern cartoons are overwrought with gay/les characters is an exaggeration.
Since cartoons are meant for kids and western culture views gay relationships as strictly sexual, it's going to be a while before explicitly gay main characters are deemed appropriate for cartoons. People seem to forget that LGBT has only really been integrated into mainstream media within the past decade or so.

>>89206084
>I assume all the talk of token gays is about comic characters

Some anon was planning to make a list of characters vs minority characters in marvel, I'm not sure if they went through with that.

The problem is that visibility isn't equal in comics, so it's hard to measure whether "there are too many" just by opinion alone.

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My brother is gay, I had to listen to all the dumb shit gays do because we had bunk beds, gay people are sluts, like only a 20% are not sluts by choice, promiscuity is rampant. As long as gays are sluts they should not be put as a MC, it will only promote more slut gay behavior.

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>>89205885
Nonsense anon, it's love

>>89203032
>are you claiming whites are over represented in media and we should make it more accurate by having a predominatly asian cast?
Different guy, but yes actually. Asians are even more under represented in Western media than other nonwhite races.
Asian males are almost never in leading roles because they aren't considered attractive which is complete bs.

>>89197922
Fujos don't read comics so no.
Fuck off.

>>89207076
Who draws all the sparkling cape gay porn then?

>>89207076
OP is asking about cartoons. Though the answer to that is still no.

>>89204804
It's happening, bitch. Accept it or cry yourself to sleep forever.

>>89205422
Blame Sheith for that, they invited the toxic into the fandom by heralding their ship in tumblr and daring anyone to defy them. Then they got called out for being pedos and fled here to do it again, and have only shut up when we didn't rise to the bait. The new cancer ships are bizarro world trash like omegaverse and Galra ships.

>>89207391
>Klancefag still rewriting history

Do you never get bored of this?

>>89203178
What a fag

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>>89207076
>Fujos don't read comics

>>89199122
Sounds like bullshit to me

>>89199942
I don't go to /pol/

>>89207391
>it was Sheith!
Stop Klancefag. Just stop. We all know the pedo witch hunt you guys started was the root of the problem.

>>89200056
Besides writing like a pretentious turd, you're pretty right

>>89205605
Yeah, "fujo"'s more or less the current year moniker of any young adult woman who's into anime stuff. Used to mainly cover people who're exessively absorbed into BL fantasies, to the point where it turned them into unpleasant persons, but you know how these things work...

>>89205719
Watched both seasons. It's a fun show.

Fuck sugar and fuck gay people

>>89208145
Fujos isn't that. Fujo means women who watch shows only to jack off to yaoi ships.

So when is The Ray coming out? So to speak.

>>89210062
The one-shot issue? Tomorrow. The preview looks good.

>>89211098
Supposedly there's also a cartoon in the works.

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>>89197922
Come on man.

Western media is only going to start doing more gay stuff when gay stops being something "coded" and straight gays stop getting accused of being fake.
The thing that always sticks in my mind when it comes to this discussion is that one scene from Glee where the one of the people imagines gay character going "Gay gay gay? Gay gay gay gay! Oh look I just puked up a little purse!"
And the thing is that's not really off the mark. A gay character is 1000% about their gayness all the goddamn time. And you can't even bring that up without some eagerly offended people trying to argue about heteronormativity.

Like, I'm trying to write a story that has a gay paladin but sometimes it seems like it's gotta be the most important thing about him rather than the sixth or it's homophobia.

>>89211230
Chozen was really fun.

> the media portrays gays as oversexed deviants with no respect for families value
> hell yeah!

>>89211352
Well, Kurt was admittedly a flamer. The problem is often the need to do something identifying but not having enough time to do anything else, so you get minstrels and single-issue characters.
Something like The 100 has several queer characters where that's not really the point of them but they still have time to acknowledge it beyond just saying something.

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>>89207293
Japanese fujos, of course. The question is specifically about Western fujos.

>>89211512
Admittedly I'm a grumpy old man that doesn't understand things outside of his wheelhouse but what's the deal with the lisp? Like if I turn on the radio I can tell when the guy speaking is gay from their diction alone and it makes no damn sense to me why that's a thing.

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>>89211352
>straight gays
wat