How come Marvel's black characters are so much better than

>>89136778
Marvel characters are cuck fantasies

Cyborg is an actual character

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>>89136848
>Cyborg is an actual character

>Blade
If I could write, I would want to do for him what Ennis did for The Punisher.

>>89136848
>liking Cyborg
Come on, Anon, you could have defended literally any black DC character and you go with Cyborg?

>Not mentioning Black Manta

>>89136778
Black Lightning is better than all of those characters combined

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Vixen is DC and she's awesome.

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DC kinda has Static and he best of them all.

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>>89137652
This is true

They have so many because they need to put there black writers on somthing
Not like you will ever see a black man write Capatain America

>>89136778
What aboot Mr Terrific eh? He fucked Power Girl

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Pic related is all DC needs.

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Guys, come on.

>>89138123
Priest did and Robert Morales

>>89139368
He hasn't been in anything good since Rucka and Trauttman's Checkmate run finished.

>>89139535
True and sad

>>89136778
>Luke Cage
Only good thing about him is his live action. Power Man & Iron Fist is a sjw mess. His team-up book written by Bendis is doomed for failure.

>Panther Panther
His current comic is shit. Hopefully movie won't bomb.

>Blade
Hasn't been relevant since forever. His suppose solo book featuring his daughter is in limbo.

>Storm
Complete utter trash.

>Monica Rambeau
Unpopular good character.

>Cyborg
Just the token black guy on the JL. Can't even consider him a character. Stewart would had been a better choice if Hal wasn't the Token Green Lantern. And Steel would had been a better choice if Superman wasn't there.

>>89139535
He appeared in Earth-2 and Arrow.

>>89139535
I've read none of his comics, but I'm pretty sure quality beats quantity

>>89139375
Priest did
Captain America and The Flacon
And he was promised the main book but they offered him a Falcon book

>>89138004
Vixen has potential but it's not even like DC even really does much with her.

>>89139699
>And Steel would had been a better choice if Superman wasn't there.

New 52 Steel could be used tho

>>89136778

DC was too racist in the 60s/70s to deal

like that's not a joke, talking about like Ferro Lad not being allowed to be black

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>>89136778
Marvel has historically been more progressive than DC. It's a trend that they continue to this day.

By pushing black characters in the '70s, They are literally decades ahead of DC in flushing out the lore of each character.

>>89141810
>Marvel's has 4 well known black characters
>DC has 3 well known black characters
How can DC compete?

>>89142001
>DC has 3 well known black characters
Who?

>>89140697
> appears in a tv show
> has a mini animated series

???

>>89142094

Jon, Black Manta, Aqualad, Cyborg, Vixen...

oh wait, that's more than 3.

>>89142132
Lol the reach

>>89142094
>John Stewart
>Steel maybe
>Static if he counts as DC
That's all I could come up with

>>89139368
FAIR PLAY
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>>89142165
The Reach isn't black, what are you talking about

>>89142165

They've all appeared in cartoons, making them more normie/casual friendly than whatever legacies Marvel tries to push.

>>89142132
>Manta and Vixen
>Well known
Even Aqualad is kind of a reach

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>>89142094
John Stewart
Vixen
Cyborg
Static
Black Manta
Steel
Amanda Waller
Firestorm
Mister Terrific
etc

>>89136778
>How come Marvel's black characters are so much better than DC's?

Because you don't read DC.

>>89136848
>Cyborg is an actual character

"Cyborg, google "how to beat Despero" for me."
"Yes, sir, Batman, sir."

10/10 characterisation

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>>89142220
Huh, anon....

>>89142242

Vixen has appeared in TTG and in Legends of Tomorrow. Manta and Aqualad appeared in Young Justice.

>>89136778
Because DC black characters are characters first, while Marvel black characters are black first.

Reminder that all the black heroes in Marvel are friends and have a secret clubhouse where they hang out away from whiteys.

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Is this the part where we pretend like we know exactly how much 'casuals' know about comics and base how 'well known' a character is?

>>89142260
>Firestorm
You forgot Kid Flash, you know, Wally West? And Perry White, and James Olson.

>>89142315
>He thinks people watch CW Seed
That's cute

>>89142295
>Vixen has appeared in TTG
For like 15 seconds

>>89138078
To bad they basically put static in a closet recently and he has no new material

>>89142315
This is when we claim flash to be the fastest man alive, but he can't catch a woman when she climbs up a building

>>89139723
Maybe revisit your definition of the word good.

>>89139855
Relevancy means a lot. I'm talking about a decade old comic book run.

>John
>Black Lightning
>Vixen
>Amanda Waller
>Steel
>Firestorm 2
>Static
>Mister Terrific
>Aqualad
>Icon
>Bumblebee
>Cyborg
>Black Manta
>Bronze Tiger
>Killer Croc

>>89140697
She was like leader of the Justice League for a while.

>>89142373

Fine. She also appeared in Brave and the Bold.

>>89142452
Now how many of these have actually carried a comic?

>>89142342
Icon
Rocket

>>89142511
Nine of them. 13 if you count team books.

>>89142452
>>Firestorm 2
>one mediocre run and one bad run
When was the last time he even showed up

>>89142511
> moving the goal posts

>>89142556
You don't even know who Firestorm is.

>>89142543
>Well known

>>89142452
>DC
>Counting Milestone characters
Is it that bad?

>>89142511
How many comics has Storm carried?

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>>89142001
>>DC has 3 well known black characters

kek... no they don't. There best example is probably Cyborg and even he has never had his own dedicated TV show or movie.

>>89142617
None. She's a mini character at best

>>89142483
Before or after Rambeau lead the Avengers? Because DC has a long history of mimicking Marvel's first steps.

>>89142587
I will admit I don't remember the black one's name but I did read his book and the New 52 one he shared with Ronnie, they weren't very good.

>>89142587
I sure as hell don't know who they are...

>>89142623
Anon Luke Cage has been out for literally 3 months, and that's the only black-led TV show or movie Marvel has ever made, and it only came out on Netflix.

Vixen came out in August 2015 so DC beat them to that too.

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>>89142001
Not even close to the point I was making, dummy.

DC could flood the market with a 1000 black characters, but at the end of the day, it wouldn't matter because none of them have been gestating as long as many of the Marvel ones.

>>89142744
Like the amazing Reeree Williams and Miles Morales?

>>89142342
>You forgot Kid Flash, you know, Wally West?

His recent cute story aside, let's pretend that iteration doesn't exist so they can comfortably shelf it.

>>89142713
>Because DC has a long history of mimicking Marvel's first steps.
>DC
>mimicking Marvel

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>89142771
I guarantee you more normies know about Miles more than 90% of DC black characters

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Here's a question: Can DC get their shit together and make these existing characters more than obvious tokenism?
Or are they just going to introduce "all new" characters over and over again and pretend hype is just as good?

>>89142840
lol no they fucking don't

>>89142911
Baz and Jess are already more than tokenism if you actually bother to read

>>89142911
You're mixing up DC and Marvel.

>>89142911
Why do Marvelfags refuse to read comics?

>>89142744
>none of them have been gestating as long as many of the Marvel ones
and I'm sure any day now they'll emerge from the Marvel womb and be actual characters anyone gives a shit about.

>>89142911
>best girl Jess and based Baz
>tokenism
At least pretend to read comics.

DC tries to make it's characters iconic and timeless, while marvel tries to tie in more with current events.

Trying to do something timeless with black characters usually means ignoring central shit like the civil rights movement, and modern black culture, or at the very least de emphaisizing that in favor of other shit. That's hard to do, particularly for comic writers who's political sensitivities are on a hair trigger.

>>89139368
It's been years. If I remember, his best run was with the JSA? Will to power, Booker T washington Ubermensh atheist, with a strong sense of fairness, good complement to the mystical and religous characters, right?

>>89138078
Objection. DC BOUGHT static, but didn't do anything memorable with him ever.

>>89142260
Did they ever fix whatever they fucked up with skinny waller?

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>>89142815
I'm sorry, a Superwoman taking over a Superman book says what?

>>89142934
>>89142995
>>89143067
You really need to get a life beyond transparent shilling.

>>89142911
But you just described Marvel.

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>>89136778
Bait so hard motherfuckas try to find me

>>89142718
>comparing CW literally what Seed to Normiefix

>>89142342
>And Perry White, and James Olson.
Not in the funny books you moron.

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Let's play a game of "Spot the minority in the picture".

( I wonder if it'll be a DC character )

>>89143219
>but didn't do anything memorable with him ever

Except give him his own show.

>>89142672
And Marvel doesn't? Get the fuck out of here.

>>89143392
is it the Mutie Jew? also, who's head is that sitting behind Thor?

>>89143392
Superman
Wolverine
Kitty Pryde
Wonder Woman
Aquaman
Namor

>>89143432
I think it's Namor

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>>89143269

>>89143479
Yeah, I looked closer and noticed the ears and hairline, definitely Namor

>>89143412
Doesn't WHAT?
Your shitpost needs a sentence subject.

>>89143491
Remember that time Storm dated Black Panther because they're both black?

>>89143392
There are like two others of Superman's race so he is the minoritiest minority.

DC just had the misfortune of having a few really fucked up ideas and that set them back.
Like, it's easy to forget that DC is the company that said "What if our first black superhero was actually a white supremacist that transformed like the hulk" and had to be talked out of that.
DC is the company that said "There are no black people in the future because they all went off to their own island"

Having said that, now the tables have turned and Marvel has gone full retard because they forgot to actually make characters and just want brownie points.

Aren't all of Marvel's black heroes in a secret club together? Real progressive there Marvel.

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>>89142718
>that's the only black-led TV show or movie Marvel has ever made

Weak bait.

>>89143916
Only the relevant ones plus Brother Voodo

>>89143916
I was about to ask how that didn't catch a shitload of shit from the mainstream, but then I remembered it's considered 'progressive' these days to lump racial groups together like they were a single-celled organism who all think and act alike.

>>89144040
Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill.

>>89142840

More than Storm, Blade, or Black Panther?

Fuck off, kid.

>>89144040
I did not realize Blade was made by Marvel studios.

Steel came out a year before Blade, anyway.

>>89144363
Do you actually think Normies know anything about Black Panther?

>>89138078
This only counts if he is good in the comics.
After the new 25, any points DC had with Static have been lost.

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>>89144424
>Do you actually think Normies know anything about Black Panther?

It's a safe bet that they do now.

>>89144424
They seem to be buying his shit on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/3825121/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_b_3_4_last

>>89144700
>a cameo
Big whoop. The Collector and Celestials were in GotG and nobody knows shit about them. Thanos has been in several of their movies and nobody knows anything about him either.

Did wakanada participate in the slave trade?

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>>89144377
>Steel came out a year before
You mean the awful and forgettable movie that was only made because Shaq wanted to play Superman that nobody went to go see?

Nigga, Blank Man would've served your point better.

>>89143392
Kitty Pryde.

Generally DC only has one major black hero per decade.

>70's- Black Lightning
>80s- Vixen
>90s- Steel
>00s- Terrific
>10s- Cyborg

Meanwhile Marvel usually releases a whole bunch of minority heroes at the same time once every 10 years and let's them sit around and if they don't catch on they fall to obscurity. So DC picks one hero and pampers them while Marvel has a sink or swim method. Results may vary

>>89144800
They're isolationist to the max so nah.

>>89144790
>cameo

You obviously don't have a solid grasp of the meaning of this word to be using it.

>>89143455

- illegal immigrant? - CHECK
- Canadian alcoholic? - DOESN'T COUNT!
- Jewish Mensa Lez Feminist? - CHECK
- Greek Bisexual? - DOESN'T COUNT!
- Aquatic Aryan? - DOESN'T COUNT!
- Aquatic biracial Atlantian/mutie fish fucker? - CHECK

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>>89144876
>You mean the awful and forgettable movie that was only made because Shaq wanted to play Superman that nobody went to go see?

How does it being bad matter when the question was who made something starting a black hero first? Are you just going to keep moving the goalpost?

>Nigga, Blank Man would've served your point better.
...except Blankman wasn't a DC character.

Are you legitimately retarded?

>>89144377
You originally said Marvel, not Marvel Studios.

>>89139699
>Only good thing about him is his live action. Power Man & Iron Fist is a sjw mess. His team-up book written by Bendis is doomed for failure.

Lol what? His live action portrayal was barely anything like his comic persona, and while the current PM&IF comic is meh, the old ones were pretty damn good.

One of the issues is that DC is older as a company.
Consider when Marvel's big names started poppiing up. Spider-man, the Fantastic Four, the X-men, Hulk, all those are characters born of the 60s.

Compare this to DC that already had their big names like Superman Batman and Wonder Woman a good 20-30 years prior. So DC is a little older as a company.

And the older you go, the whiter it gets. The ink dried later for Marvel so they had an easier time getting in on new fads like the blaxploitation era without people thinking it was some kind of brand betrayal.

>>89143219
>Objection. DC BOUGHT static, but didn't do anything memorable with him ever.
And Captain America was created at Atlas before it became Marvel, who cares.

>>89146102
That's a dumb comparison

>>89143392
Hal and Kitty are both Jewish, so both companies have minorities in this picture.

Checkmate nigger.

>>89146248
No its not. These characters were almost all created individually with the intent of being their own solo thing, Marvel and DC. It was the machinations of upper management and a couple writers that led to this current system.

>>89136778

Black Panther doesn't have a single good storyline, especially the current one. Holy fuck is Coates bad.

>>89146614
>Black Panther doesn't have a single good storyline
Kek let me guess you have only read Coates and seen Hudlin scans

>>89146933

Nope, the best he gets his the short Aaron run and while i love me some JA the character is bland. His whole purpose now is "hurr niggaz have it hard in whiteys world" which is just about where he should always be, completely irrelevant.

>>89136778
During the 70s Marvel was creating characters like fucking crazy. DC sticked mostly with the Silver Age ones save for the ones Kirby did.

>>89143392
Reid and Plastic Man together?!

Don't they know?

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>>89136999
Atleast Punisher was used before Ennis. Blade is so underutilized and I'll never understand why.

>Has been popular with casuals since the late '90s
>Could've been used during the Vampire craze a couple years ago
>Film rights are now with Marvel Studios
>Black man for their current diversity push
>Interesting background & villains that are different from the rest of Marvel

What is Marvel's problem?

>>89143362
>>89148934
>getting your post deleted then reposting it

lol.....just lol

>>89143253
You really need to get a life beyond shitposting about comics you don't read

>>89144780
lol

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I just read Black Lightning Year One. Now I want a solo series for Black Lightning .

The difference is that dc actually uses their well known black characters for the most part

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Bumblebee is kinda cool.

>>89138078
Static is terrible. His latest series is a good display of what a terrible character he is.

>>89150097
Looks like someone has never read a Static comic or watch the cartoon . Static is a great character . The new 52 did a bad job with him .

>>89150154
Why should I give him more chances if I found his comics one of the worst?

>Cartoon
Cartoons are for kids

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>>89150187
It's older comics that are good that you should read.

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Batwing is cool . I wish DC would give him a book again.

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What the two black Supermen ? Val-Zod and Calvin Ellis. They seem good. Calvin is the President of America on his Earth. That's kinda neat .

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>>89136778
DC has hands down the best black character in comic books. Pic very much related.

Intentionally ignorant posts betray people's motivations.
You would have to be brain damaged to think that DC's minority characters are less prominent or numerous in comics than Marvel's.
Didn't you notice all those racist threads on /co/ bitching about that very thing for the last few years?

If you want to troll, troll somewhere else, all you're doing here is self-sabotaging the pro-DC argument.
If you want to talk about how comics treat this subject matter, don't post things you know are lies.

>>89150705
>You would have to be brain damaged to think that DC's minority characters are less prominent or numerous in comics than Marvel's.
They fucking are though

>>89137102

hey, his ongoing is pretty good. but will be forgotten so yeah, He pretty much inherited Jonn's place in the DC universe.

>>89139699
What's so bad about CAGE? I read it since it has the creator of samurai jack.

>>89150722
>less numerous
absolutely not

>less prominent
arguable at best. Cage and Storm are fucking bit players too, one of whom has never carried her own book, and another who has to be joined at the hip of another to remain afloat.

>>89152306
Nothing, it's a highlight of Marvel's current output

>>89143253
DC's been trying to make a Superwoman happen for ten year now, ever since Batwoman proved a success. Anyone remember Lucy Lane?

>>89139699
>Power Man & Iron Fist is a sjw mess
No it isn't. It's about street level heroes taking on street level shit. You want a sjw mess, read GLA

>>89136999
If you could write, I'd pay to read it.

>>89152532
At least Doorman is funny, not sure how they fucked up everything else.

>>89142389
Everyone is faster than CW barry

>>89142911
Green Lanterns is a good book

>>89150560
Val-Zod is hot trash

>>89154106
Is Val-Zod the president or the multiversity one?

>>89139066
I keep forgetting that Black Manta is actually black. I didnt really give a shit about him until young justice. He took his helmet off and I was like "Oh shit,for real yall?"

>>89154160
The President one is the Multiversity one. Val-Zod is Earth 2 and he's not as bad as people say. He's not very good, but not bad.

>>89152306
>>89152345

Cage! isn't bad but it's not great either. I don't understand /co/'s boner for this book

>>89150689
Lex kissing her in Public Enemies was the shit.

>>89136778
Yeah and Cyborg is actually useful.
Name the last event half those black marvel characters were useful.

>>89143392
Wonder Woman, because Greeks aren't white

>>89152508
I do.
Still don't remember how the hell she got her powers, but I do remember her.

>>89154394
Black Panther in Secret Wars

>>89146294
Hal's mother is jewish, not him.
Though idk how judism works, so he could be forced to be jewish by his mom for all I know.

>>89136778
How come DC's black characters are so much better than Marvel's? DC gets Steel, Static, John Stewart, and Cyborg, while Marvel gets fucking Falcon.

>>89136848
>Cyborg is an actual character
nigga WUT

>>89145320
Because being first isn't as important as being first AND SUCCESSFUL.

>>89154394
Miles just played a huge role in Civil War II
Storm is front and center representing the mutants in IvX
Black Panther was the heart of Hickman's New Avengers, including Secret Wars
FalCap had a pretty big role in Attack on Pleasant Hill IIRC.

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>>89144790
>cameo

He had a decent sized role in the movie.
Was part of one of the end teasers centering on his movie.
Had hot enough actor that gots panties wet.
Several good action scenes.

I'm not sure if you're retarded or english isn't your main language.

>>89154489
Didn't Milestone take Static back because of how DC fucked him up?

>>89154187
So you don't actually read comics.

>>89148397
>popular
TV flop, the actor was in jail, and writers/editors tend to only push characters they love from THEIR childhood (pre disney)

>vampire craze
I think he did popup here and there. Mostly in ultimate though.

>film
Too little, too late. Too many plates spinning now to fit in Blade. Add in westly defined that role and it just isn't worth trying to slot for tv/nf/movie.

>black man
They pre planned BP for that spot. And they also have Falcon/War Machine as well. The rest of the spots need to go to gays, muslims, and females.

>background
You fell for the house of ideas meme didn't you?

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>>89145320
>moving the goalpost

You're the one moving the goalposts here because being first was not even the question that was asked, Mr Strawman. That's your own construct. Being first is irrelevant if people don't care -- this includes throw-away productions that were made simply because they were NBA athletes' ego projects. If you're not going to put any effort in telling a story, what's it matter if you're just doing a disservice to the source material anyway?

To remind you again what the ACTUAL point of the discussion was: Marvel has historically been more progressive than DC. Marvel has given back characters more chances to lead their own stories in the comics and extends that sentimentality to TV and film media which gives their black characters an even wider appeal to include casuals.

>>89136778

I think the black characters in Marvel pander more to black people in hopes to get people interested in comics. They have popular characters but I believe they are black first and characters second.

I think Static, Amanda Waller and Black Manta are all better than any Marvel black hero but I agree that Marvel has been better at selling their black characters and they probably have more of them. DC has less of them over all but I think the few they have are much better written and interesting.

>>89142094

Static, John Stewart and Cyborg are probably as big as it gets for DC black characters. I think Amanda Waller is better than all of them. Glad she got a part in a movie twice, once in GL and abit in SS, strange it happened at all.

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>>89136848
>Cyborg
>better than Mr. Terrific