What's /co/'s opinion on Team Fortress 2 comics? h

It reminds me why Overwatch characters are bland and why I'm still upset at the way TF2 became,TF2 had personality

One of the best comics I've ever read

Extra points for taking advantage of being a digital medium in a way that actually enhances the experience and the story

>>89120417
absolutely fantastic.

>>89120417
it had me in the hype and feels

>Heavy actually angered that Medic was killed
>the reveal that Red Spy is Blue Scouts dad
Blue Scout is part french
>The nice banter between spy and sniper

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Pauling a best.

It made me to reinstall tf2 and remind me how satisfaying it is to backstab whole enemy team in a vent on ctf_turbine

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>>89120417
>it finally updated

>>89120417
Objectively great

>>89120741
This kind of thing is why I don't like Turbine

>>89120845
There's a solution to that problem:
git fucking gud

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>>89120741
>Turbine
My man.

>>89120671
There's no Red and Blue double characters in the comic it's just one class for each generation of Team Fortress teams.

So it's just TF2 Spy being TF2 Scout's father.

I think all the TF2 characters in the comic wear red except Engie who wears blue and all of the Team Fortress Classic characters wore blue.

And yeah Scout is part french

>>89120417
Do I need to read any preceding comics for this one to make sense?

I know they make comics, but I don't think I've read any other than a Saxton Hale one, and that one page from the Jarate update?

>>89121567
>tf06
what do you think, fucknuts

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This is the thing that got me the most besides the Spy and Scout scene

I hope Scout has a good death

>>89121567
Yes it's kind of a big story, do it.

>>89120845
The fun of locking down that one passage by getting an engineer nest up on that ledge. Hard for spies to get up there without looking conspicuously like spies.

>>89121626
The good die young

>>89120871
I find the Tom Jones as his dad thing hilarious because if Scout is 27 in 1972 that means Tom Jones is only 5 years older than him.

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>>89121685
I really hate being on the wrong end of that, but it's hilarious the other way around.

>>89121845
>I find the Tom Jones as his dad thing hilarious because if Scout is 27 in 1972 that means Tom Jones is only 5 years older than him.

There's less-plausible stuff in the TF2-verse than 5-year-olds procreating. Granted, it's pretty obvious that Spy is Scout's biological father, but still.

>>89121584
So if I just start at 01 I'll be fine? Or do I need to read shit before that one?

>>89122100
http://www.teamfortress.com/comics.php
Start with the catch up comic and then you're good to go.

>>89121845
>I find the Tom Jones as his dad thing hilarious because if Scout is 27 in 1972 that means Tom Jones is only 5 years older than him.
You know Scout will never do the math and realize it's impossible, so it's perfect

Conversely he does do the math (or has someone do it for him) and just assumes that even a 5 year old Tom Jones is just that much of a stud

What do you think is her plan? Also, Administrator was a cute little girl.

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I mean, come on, look at that face.

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>tfw you play Overwatch to fill the hole TF2's shitty state has left in you, but it's not the same

>>89121948
Yeah if they would have wanted it to be Tom Jones they would have made some shit up like Tom Jones being born as an adult or some Highlander shit.

I honestly like Spy being the dad especially with how they did the reveal, also it makes him spending most of his last hours alive trying to teach Scout how to get a date with Miss Pauling more believable.

>>89122258
I dunno what her plan is but it probably will end with Pauling taking over as Administrator but with no Australium left she'll try something crazy that's for sure.

Australium, how does it work?

>>89122680
Like being bitten by a radioactive australian spider

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>>89120417
Pretty great. /co/'s been having threads about it for the whole week, /v/ had 4 threads in its release day.

>>89120712
>the guys spend a good hour after that mocking Pauling for saying that
>Scout says he is embarrassed he ever had a crush on her
The cheesie one liner means she is part of the crew now though

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Final issue when?

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>>89123423
2023

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who writes this stuff? funniest thing I've read all year

>>89123531
Well it has only been 14 days into 2017.

>>89120460
There's a charm in the storyline for TF2. It's funny and bizarre as shit but makes sense.
The OW webcomics are too short and never give me the impact for what TF2 did. Some stuff we kinda know is revealed via voice lines in the game and in the shorts. But, why does no one talk about the Planet Of The Apes senario that's happening on the moon?

I don't feel the community feeling I did for TF2. Then again, it has gone downhill for me after a few years now. At least the latest comic was great.

>>89120871
I know right?
The best thing of this map is that every way to intel is one giant chokepoint.
And if one of those chokepoints is breached, then you'r only choice is either get rekt or rage quit.

>>89120417
Worth every second of waiting.
>Those unexpected feels with regards to Spy
It's finally the beginning of the end.
I stopped playing TF2 a while ago, but I never gave up on the characters.
I want to see Uncle Demo teaching Soldier's kids how to blow things to hell.

>>89123691
Like Assassin's Creed, the main games are less to look forward to compared to other promotional material (like the E3 cinematics and tv spot cinematics)

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>>89123750
Well considering that they used to be best friends, it's not a longshot.

Still, it depends on the outcome. Who knows, they might pull off a status quo ending and no one gets to stay best friends once a couple of them goes back to being BLU

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>>89123771
Goddamn it why is this dysfunctional parenting so goddamn sweet and hilarious at the same time?
>You will never see a straight-laced son of Soldier who was a pencil pusher for most of his life finally reach the breaking point and become a merc like dear old dad.
There's so much that could be done with it.
>His dad's crazy awesome and provides advice, most of which is useless but sometimes is just what he needs
>Dad's old war buddy is a drunk Scottish explosives expert with a cursed eyeball
>Uncle is an ex-merc who teaches Russian Lit at a prestigious university, can still break most people over his knee
>Relatives are alternatively regular joes or just as insane as Soldier

>>89123771
Tim was a perv, got what was coming to him

I was disapointing that we didn't have some baboons broking out of that merc's ribcage like they were aliens

>>89120460
>I'm still upset at the way TF2 became
casual mode got a lot of changes and it's pretty good now. the gameplay is still the same and that's really the biggest thing that matters.

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>>89120712
>>89122839
>You're getting really good at saying horrible things to dying men, Ms. Pauling
Kek

>>89123750
>It's finally the beginning of the end.
God I haven't played the game in ages either but I kind of wouldn't mind getting more stories, although I doubt Valve has much interest in those thing.

Still I what I wouldn't give for another short like Expiration Date or at least an SFM movie, the TF2 characters have so much character and heart I just really don't want it to end.

>>89122445
I wish Overwatch had blood in it.

>>89120417
Pretty good, the latest comic was great.

Looking forward to the next one

>>89122733
They should get along well they both love chicks

>>89120460
>It reminds me why Overwatch characters are bland

This. OW characters have so much potential that goes nowhere, then we have the TF2 comic where Medic gets out of a deal with the devil by surgically putting more souls into himself.

TF2 just does much more with what it's given.

>>89125320
The TF2 comics are great because the characters are all violently insane retards, kind of like you figure they would have to be in order to repeatedly compete in bloodsport combat for no real reason.

Blizzard is willing to do the lel so fanny maymays with their characters, but at the end of the day they want their characters to retain some semblance of seriousness in case they ever get to take whatever sci-fi superhero story they originally had in mind with the setting and do it for real.

>>89121500
Makes sense. He has frog legs, after all.

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>>89125723

>>89125758
FYI, crazy legs still has an intentional low chance of happening

>>89125938
Still lower than a hat drop.

>>89125689
It's just Blizzard refuse to put effort in things because no one gives a shit about anything anyway. Good old "appeal to a wider target audience". I mean, how much people actually know about tf2 universe, read comics and played the game? I bet barely 30% of the playerbase does. Valve just throwing so much time and resources away and some executives from Blizzard would just neck themselves if someone do that. And the saddest thing of all is that the most talented and experienced developers just sitting on their asses doing jack shit because it's unprofitable and instead making some retarded PG-13 tf2 clone with tits. Truly the worst times for industry.

>>89125259
Pauling is also a lesbian.

>>89126209
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
canonically she's not anything though

>>89120712
I just noticed medic cradling the baby baboon!

>>89126230
For now

>>89126209
when did that happen?

>>89126556
https://twitter.com/jaypinkerton/status/612113790750961664/

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>>89120417
Honestly some of the best comics I've read. Took them two years to finally post the update but it was worth the wait.
The TF2 cast is filled with extraordinarily well defined characters. Looking back at the game's initial release I'm surprised at just how much of a long way these characters have come since then. It's stellar character design. The characters are simple and that's why they work so well.
It's an absurd setting but that's what is fun about it. Things like the Medic surviving a deal with the devil by stitching the other mercs' souls to himself, Demoman's liver defeating the robots through alcohol poisoning. The comic knows how to pull off serious moments but it never loses sight of it's absurdity and I love it for it.

I wish other games had this kind of dedication to character and world building and to being comedic.

>>89126613
wtf I hate Team Fortress now

>>89126999
Don't think too much of it. Right now she's Helensexual or bust.

>>89120417
I have not played the game but I love the comics.

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It's hilarious how out of the medium the Overwatch characters are. They're in a arena-shooter and the cast was designed like a JRPG roster.

TF2 embraces that fact that its an arena shooter and thus why its lore is the best.

Although I do want to plow D.Va

>>89126613
Nigga, it didn't happen unless it's evident in the game or comic.
Get the fuck out off here with your pussy ass too afraid to write a real gay character and just want to say they're gay afterwards.

>>89126556
>>89126613
Not canon and the artist hates the idea that she's gay
>>89128047
Administrator is actually Paulasexual She's just been tsundere this whole time because the age gap was offputting she's just kicked her Australium into overdrive because she decided to spend the next >1 hour making out with Paula she gets there
That's flattering and all but you're my boss and it just wouldn't be....professional
Next 3 or so pages of them awkardly sitting across from one another except the final panel in which Admin collapses into a dried out husk

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>>89128639
not canon
Helen fucks Saxton in the earlier comics, and even hints it further with a saucy picture hidden in the manor

>>89128538
Dva is a korean and below the age of 20 and is memed to be a filthy gamer.

She's the perfect buyer-bait ever conceived.

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>>89128752
I hate myself for being so attracted to that grey streak

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>>89128806
damn right

>>89128789
So? Still want to plow

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>Tfw haven't played TF2 since the meet your match update

I knew that end of the line marked the decline, but it was pretty heartbreaking to see the game come to that. Has it gotten any better, since? I've heard the last scream fortress was horrid, and I'm too afraid to look for myself.

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>tfw you play TF2 for years, playing it religiously
>play Overwatch once
>uninstall TF2

Never looked back

>>89128983
I play casual in SEA servers.

It's alright I guess. Whatever I hated from before, it's still there. Whatever I liked from before, it's still there except for the friends I met in its golden years Haven't played Compe because they keep asking for my phone number. Furries and pacifist servers have been in decline.

If you want to feel the old TF2 feel, play Cashul once.

>>89126209
Have you seen the way she was undressing solider in her mind? What a pervert. She's straight.

>>89129019
if only OW wasn't utterly boring SJW garbage

>>89120417
https://livebunker.rocks/chat/int

>>89121567
Just read them all, they're all pretty great.

>>89120417
>YWN have a frendship like Heavy and Medic's

>>89126209
>>89126613
Not canon.

>>89129567
Calling it SJW garbage is a bit much, though it is unfortunate they beckoned to some of their whims (like the Tracer victory pose scandal).

>>89129019
so you've accepted that your taste is literal /trash/?

>>89129567
the worst part it isn't even sjw
blizzard just threw in all that crap to make themselves look "admirable" to tumblr wanks and /v/tards
>hey, tracers gay now! look at how brave we are by doing this
>LOOK AT HOW AMAZING AND PROGRESSIVE WE ARE

>>89128538
Although I do want to plow D.Va
>>89128937
[Spoiler] just wait when they reveal she's male to female transgender [/spoiler]

>>89126352
>The baby is wrapped in blue and wearing the classic heavy's bandana.

I swear this comic is trying to kill me.

>>89129795
Oh come on. They did that specifically so they could piss them off by creating an even sexier pose.

>>89120712
Pauling a worst. Only acceptable as the plot pretty much demands her presence.

>>89129567
muh es jay double yew boogeyman

>>89129019
Overwatch is OK, but the gunplay is shit. The game is pure hotbar babysitting.

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So is there any convincing theory on what she's after?

Because everyone she could possibly want dead is dead.

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>>89131129
Potentially not.
There's still the guy in the photo here we don't know a thing about.
At first I thought it would be Grey Mann, but he was raised by eagles and never knew Redmond or Blutarch personally.

>>89131129
She needs australium for something other than just staying alive herself, it seems. I think she wants it to preserve someone else's life.

>>89131181
Fingers crossed that this person really matters and wasn't just something held aside for potential future Halloween updates.

>>89131198
Why would she use all of it on herself then?

>>89131233
In a last ditch effort to procure much more maybe? Otherwise, yeah. My theory falls apart with that.

>>89120712
Zhanna is clearly best girl, nigger.

But a pauling is fine too

>>89130760

Which makes it worthless in my eyes. While I may not be the best at it. The prospect that I could get good at Rocket and Sticky Jumping makes me stick around.

>>89130354
uncut six inch

>>89129795
> implying the old pose wasn't lazy, while the new one is fun but still sexy.

>>89120712
Maggie a best. Pauling a SLUT.

>>89129468
Now let's be fair, there isn't a single human being on the face of the Earth who would not ogle Soldier, he is a paragon of manliness and the sexiest creature to ever exist

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>>89120845
>using YER

>>89130504
>>89129795
You're both retarded. The concern was that it wasn't in-character, and it got replaced by one that was. Don't you think they'd be complaining about fucking Widowmaker if sexiness was the concern?

>>89132111
I thought they scaled down the size of Widowmakers ass?

>ywn find a burly Russian woman who would not only help you in a fist fight but would also take her pants off and slather you and herself in honey before the fight began

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>>89125938
Intentional? I thought they just didn't fix it properly.

>>89132170
That was because it kept changing size between animations like a balloon. Widowmaker is still incredibly sexed up regardless of the size of her ass, why are you distracting yourself by going, "But her ass?!"

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>>89120712
Pauling is cute! CUTE!

>>89126209
>implying Scout/Pauling isn't endgame

>>89132491
I don't like how they're drawing her closer and closer to the ugly Expiration Date version.

>>89124963
>I wish Overwatch had blood in it.
It doesn't?

>>89132705
No. It had blood in early beta but they removed it to keep the age rating down and also because it was distracting.

>>89132700
How old is she supposed to be, anyway?

>>89132729
>also because it was distracting.
But not as distracting as levels completely filled with clutter and detail for the sake of detail and characters so laughably over-designed that they have to put colored outlines around them so you can see who's on your team and who isn't?

>>89132759
If I had to guess, probably around Scout's age. Early thirties at absolute max.

>>89132771
Now add blood to all that, and you can see why they removed it.

>>89132771
no can't you see it's game of the year that means you're objectively wrong
there are no flaws in the character designs that completely lack cohesion or the maps that all funnel people through chokepoints no sir

>>89132771
>over designed
I dont think you know what that word means

>>89132896
thank you fellow anonymous poster, i will make sure to go buy Overwatch™ Origins Edition™ for the low, low price of US$59.99 at my local retailer!

>>89132954
sticking shit there that has no specific need to be there. see also: greebling, except greebling helps make boring areas interesting while OW is just "buckles and buttons and glowy bits everywhere"

one of the best things valve did with TF2 (at least originally) was make their characters so immediately recognizable, yet also not overly detailed and designed to draw the eye around them to the torso and head

scout has less details on his entire body than tracer has on her jacket and backpack, demo doesn't have hazard stripes and loose bolts and chains everywhere, engi doesn't have "BAMF" on his belt buckle (which turns into an unreadable mess of pixels at about ten feet away), etc.

>>89133028
>engi doesn't have "BAMF" on his belt buckle
Come on, that "BAMF" buckle is cool.

>>89123888
>Mom smells like honey

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>>89133065
It's laughable and does nothing for the character. He's so boring he has to wear a belt buckle that proclaims he's a 'bad ass motherfucker' because Blizzard managed to make fucking Clint Eastwood with a robo-arm boring.

Even then McCree is just a rip of Clint from the old SNES Wild Guns game.

>>89133173
are you saying overwatch is watered down and derivative?
whaaaaat?

>>89133173
>make fucking Clint Eastwood with a robo-arm boring
I haven't played overwatch but how is that possible?

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>>89133197
Of course not! Blizzard Entertainment™ may have been inspired by innumerable other video games, movies and forms of media, but everything their amazing and honestly underpaid artists touch turns into such pure gold that I'm literally masturbating RIGHT NOW! So many waifus to choose from! Monkeys in space! Robot monks! SO many neon lights! The vistas and the action! The Mazda Miata is the best car! Rogue One is the best movie! Blizzard™ is the best company! AHRHGNHGHHH

>>89132236
Nah, back when the team actually gave a shit about the game, they'd keep popular glitches in the game in one way or another.
>August 14, 2009 Patch
>Fixed Announcer Overtime bug on KOTH servers using mp_timelimit (this bug involves "Overtime" being announced constantly during Overtime instead of once when it begins).
>Due to many requests, added server ConVar tf_overtime_nag. When set to 1, it keeps the broken announcer behavior.

>>89133264
Don't forget the cvar for allowing weapon switch during taunting.

I miss spinning my minigun and hitting my head with a shotgun.

>>89120417
fun read. Can't wait to read it all over again when the final issue comes out next year

>>89133215
that's what happens when you give all your characters super-intricate visual designs and long, interwined backstories, but forget to give them actual personalities beyond a single trait

>>89133245
>Robot monks!

I'm still butthurt about the fact that he's such a potentially interesting character, yet he gets sidelined because writers only care about him as an accesory to Genji, and Genji is only allowed development related to Hanzo and Mercy.

>>89133341
sounds like tf2

>>89133382
Nah TF2 designs are pretty simple actually. In fact they're all just really bold stereotypes except Demoman

>>89133382
>TF2
>intricate visual designs
>characters having any backstory at all

okay friend, here's your (you)

>>89132729
>they removed it to keep the age rating down
That happened with Portal 2 as well.

>>89133478
>TF2
>characters NOT having backstory
How did you stumble into this thread without having at least noticed the comics?

>>89133133
>Heavy endures lengthy legal battles so he may marry whom he loves. Thanks to the assistance of the Freedom to Marry and National Rifle Associations Lawyers, Sasha is allowed to marry long time partner Mikhail as well as be allowed to be kept in full working order in the US borders.

>>89133382
well now that's just blatantly untrue. you could learn a lot through any character's personality through the hours of recorded voice lines that each character has, especially the domination lines and also the meet the team videos. also the character designs are a work of absolute ingenuity, i highly recommend looking at this here at it showcases the sheer amount of thought that went into every single character design.
http://www.valvesoftware.com/publications/2008/GDC2008_StylizationWithAPurpose_TF2.pdf

>>89133625
To be fair, that happened over several years and they didn't have backstories when the game came out.

>>89133696
This. TF2 didn't use "look at all this lore!" as one of its selling points.

>>89133625
Backstory != current story, though, and some characters still have it more than others. Even then it's basically a short paragraph with none of the specific events/character intertwining/unironic good and evil shit from OW.

>Medic is a mad doctor from Nazi-era Germany who lost his medical license and has no idea what the Hippocratic Oath is
>Scout is a young punk from a big family who ran everywhere so he could beat his brothers to the fight
>Soldier isn't an actual Soldier due to getting kicked out of every branch of the military, but bought his own plane ticket to fight anyway- years after the war was over
>Engineer has a dozen PhDs in hard science and a decade in the oil fields to help him find the most practical way to shoot somebody a lot
>Sniper is a professional (an actual one, apparently) who still argues with his parents about his job choice
etc.

They're silly tidbits that are just meant to introduce the character, no huge overarching plot like in OW- and even when that plot finally became a thing in TF2, it's largely relegated to comic-only characters and plot devices, not the classes themselves who are still nine maniacs with guns blowing each other up over nothing.

>>89133696
It's totally a retcon, absolutely. The Redmond and Blutarch conflict is entirely an afterthought, only "Reliable Excavation Demolition" and "Builders League United" existed with no explanation of why.

>>89133711
I wish I could find the bit used on the old TF2 site's Meet the Team video page before all the Saxton Hale stuff, the one about "it's the middle of a century much like the one we just had: there are five radio stations, three television channels, and two mega-conglomerates that secretly control every government in the world."

So fucking simple and yet so effective.

I really hope they can get all the voice actors back to make motion comics out of these.

>>89133666
ok ignore that link i thought it was something else

>>89133736
tf2 used to be about two corporations that controls the world's entire government fighting each other while trying to hide in plain sight

>>89133724
>and even when that plot finally became a thing in TF2, it's largely relegated to comic-only characters and plot devices
You could say the exact same about Overwatch. Not a single thing from those OW comics has an effect on the game world. Only audio clips suggest these characters interact outside of shooting each other. They have that in common with TF2.

>>89133666
>http://www.valvesoftware.com/publications/2008/GDC2008_StylizationWithAPurpose_TF2.pdf

This gave me a character design boner.

>>89133805
This is mostly true, but a lot of the interactions do rely heavily on backstory and the characters tend to remind each other of things from the past, and some of them require you to actually dig into said backstory to understand the context.

>>89133805
but then why make such a big deal about the lore? of the overwatch videos i've seen, they're less about establishing the characters and giving them personalities or whatever, and more about just dumping the lore and setting on us because otherwise how could we possibly know what's even happening. tf2 is so over the top and tongue in cheek that you don't really need to know what's happening, the tone lends itself well to the lack of knowledge. overwatch's tone is really all over the place and inconsistent. like in the same universe's lore you apparently have a mechanic dwarf, a sentient gorilla from space or something, a woman who was brainwashed into murdering her own husband, a gamer girl in a mech suit from one of my japanese animes, and a guy who dresses up like a skeleton and expects to be taken seriously. it's all over the place.

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>>89133776
No, don't ignore it, there's good stuff in that pdf about how they developed the characters silhouette first and used simple stuff like gradiented colors and folds of clothing to draw the player's eye where they wanted it.

>>89133805
The OW characters themselves have the ridiculously intricate backstories is what I'm talking about. This guy was part of this secret group that also had this guy who fought that guy who comes from here where he met that guy and so on and so forth. It's wasted effort in an attempt to make it look DEEP when it's just so, so boring.

The most between-character backstory you'll get in TF2 is Spy is Scout's dad and even that was added later.

>Only audio clips suggest these characters interact outside of shooting each other. They have that in common with TF2.
And even there TF2's ingame banter is absolute leagues above OW's, in no small part due to being from a different era of game design where it was okay to have characters call each other jackasses, chucklenuts and big ugly girls without having to pander to the lowest common denominator who might get offended over someone exploding into chunky giblets.

>>89133815
If you haven't already, look up the developer commentary for the maps and character designs, it's fantastic stuff not just for graphic design but also for game design, map design, audio design, and so on.

Then become sad when you realize most of the people in those recordings aren't at Valve anymore and those nine years of development were forgotten for hats and money.

>>89133382
Overwatchfag here. I've never played TF2, and even I know that's a blatant lie.

>>89133905
>they're less about establishing the characters and giving them personalities or whatever, and more about just dumping the lore and setting on us
I actually like learning about the OW world they live in. Lord knows their characters aren't interesting enough.

>it's all over the place.
True, but I kind of enjoy the spontaneousness of design. It's like a fighting game, where the characters are just everywhere across the map.

>>89132771
It's better to have more map detail then blood

Also, if you think OW is visually cluttered, you've never played Battleborn.

>>89133492
How do you remove blood from a game that has no human characters?

You know what REALLY bothers me about OW? How little thought was put into making omnics sympathetic.

> omnics are people, too!
> people that can be brainwashed into killing machines by factories we (or they) fully understand
> and this can happen even to friendly, harmless omnics
> also, they have special magic-like energy that's basically the equivalent of a religious experience

>>89134038

*don't fully understand

damn it.

so is /co// gonna have good overwatch threads or what i just realized this moved on from tf2

>>89134038
I'm hoping they work more on that, maybe there'll be a new omnic hero down the line and they'll flesh that out better.

>>89134113
the worst part is they don't NEED a new omnic hero, Zenyatta is a damn monk. He's the perfect vehicle to explore the "do omnics count as having free will if there are cases they clearly don't?". It's also canon that he left the monastery because he didn't agree on how to teach people, so it wouldn't be too far out to assume he's thought about how omnics are supposed to relate with humans.

Meanwhile, Bastion is a living gun.

Sombra as a hacker would also be great to explore that.

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>>89133984
>It's better to have more map detail then blood
I completely disagree. Unobtrusive particle blood splatters when you shoot someone are a simple yet extremely effective way to show a player that they're doing damage- if it bleeds, you can kill it. TF2 didn't ship with any hit indicator sounds or damage numbers, the only way to know you were hitting was seeing blood fly from the other guy and hear him grunt in pain until he eventually took enough damage to die and you got a little box in the upper-right showing you that you killed him. This is something that dates back to the days of Quake, where graphical overhead was pretty much nil and finding the simplest ways to convey something to the player was a necessity.

Blood splatters- assuming the player doesn't disable them in their graphics settings (remember those? Blizzard doesn't)- also allow for a form of indirect player versus player interaction. There's been more than once where I've rounded what I thought was an empty hallway or room only to find the walls and floor covered in blood, and immediately went on guard because the blood only lasts a short while before disappearing so there was a fight here very recently and I don't know if the victor was friendly or enemy, nor if they're still around. Often you can see one dropped weapon and some blood/impact marks and be able to work out exactly what happened there, and sometimes it's pretty funny which is always a nice thing.

OW has tons of map detail but it doesn't GO anywhere, one of the biggest complaints is how tiny and chokepoint-centered the maps are. TF2 is very good about not including tons of detail and instead relying on the _suggestion_ of detail and letting the player's mind fill in the rest. You don't need thirty individual power lines and sign posts and grates and what have you- plunk down some small stuff in gameplay-related spots and the player will get the gist of it just fine, and you don't need to fill the actual playable area with it.

>>89134226
>Also, if you think OW is visually cluttered, you've never played Battleborn.
I'd rather have irritable bowel syndrome than explosive diarrhea, but I'd really rather not shit myself in the first place, y'know?

>>89134101
We can discuss things here without /v/ shitting up the place with people posting "tf2 is ded ecks dee" while avatarfagging with anime girls for 200 posts.

>>89134027
Chell is human.
If you get shot by a turret you bleed.

>>89133930
I don't understand this picture

>>89135181

read the file name, anon.