Not A Clone, Not From Another Dimension - [REDACTED] Is Back

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>>89091868

>>89091819
How many Gwens even are there now? Does anyone really care about the original one now, aside from when she died?

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>>89091892

>>89091819
we already knew this.

arachnagwen was pretending to be a gwenclone

>>89091819
>one of Spider-Man’s worst villains

It's not hard to be the worst villain when you get the worst writer.

>>89091868
>>89091892
Sounds like a happy conversion, considering she apparently hates him now.

Guess she's playing him.

>>89091910
>I have friends who are clones
You cannot make this writing up.

>>89091819
We knew this two months ago.

>>89091903
That's the problem. If she dies by the end of Clone Conspiracy then who really gives a fuck?

>>89091819
>What would push the one of the most beloved characters in Marvel history to join one of Spider-Man’s worst villains?!
Hmmmmmmmm
maybe the fact that he has her "keep-alive" pills?
also
>most beloved

>>89091903
Two. This one which is the original re-animated, and one from another dimension where Pete died and Gwen got spider-powers.

Then there's Gwenpool, who is not Gwen Stacy, but a different girl entirely.

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>>89091819
>one of the most beloved characters in Marvel history
>Gwen Stacy

>>89091910
Post the rest.

>>89092152
The ASM movies are still fogging up the view of the editors at Marvel.

>>89092158
That's all there is, dumbass. It's a preview.

>>89091819
THE GWENNING HAS BEGUN

Does anybody have that pic from that Spider-man issue where a ghost or something of Gwen confronts Peter and her neck is all broken with her head flopped to the side?

>>89092177

Nah, this has been a thing for a while among some writers who keep pushing Gwen as a saint and only one Pete actually loves.

Take that, Miles.

>>89091819
Friendly reminder that RYV is the actual canon Spidey story and the rest is all Slotts fanfiction

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>>89092311
Gwen fucked Norman, had his children, and was going to fucking pawn them off on Peter. Gwen is goddamn scum and has zero room to talk about Peter not wanting anything to do with her. Dude needs fucking man up and ditch the bitch.

>>89092370
Shame, because RYV is also shit.

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>Literal decades of character development trown out of the window for muh gwen, muh first love
i feel sick

>>89091892
>she's so young
Did Slott forget that clone-Gwen is supposed to be identical to Gwen as she was when she died? Gwen died in college, meaning clone-Gwen is physically and mentally 20 years old, the same age Spider-Gwen is.

>>89092414
Gee mr contrarian
tell me what great comics a artistic mastermind like you would recommend

> one of the most beloved characters in Marvel history

Was she ever really loved or just something they keep forcing for some reason? Her death is the only interesting thing about her history, before that she was mostly a bitch.

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>>89092225
GWENSCAPE
GWENSCAPE

>>89091910
>you are a person and all, but you're still a clone
If Peter gets it why doesn't Slott?

>>89092429
There are so many people who keep forgetting that Spider-Gwen isn't in high school so I wouldn't be surprised.

>>89092425
This page was written by Loeb. Time really can change you. Well of course a dead son also can do the same.

>>89092447
What does recommending shit have to do with anything? Did I trigger you or something?

>>89092515
im just curious to see what great tastes someone like you could have :^)

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>>89092366
did you say my name?

>>89092552
Yeah, you're a triggered child. Of course, you can't even spell correctly, so why am I even surprised.

>>89092479
It's not so much that Slott doesn't get it as he has to go "not a clone" to tell readers this isn't like the 90's Clone Saga. On one hand I don't know if it's really working since he had to ask readers to remember to order more of Clone Conspiracy, on the other hand ASM is somehow still the best selling Marvel title that's not a Star Wars comic, or a new #1 with incentives, or the main Civil War II book.

>>89092498
Is that why Marvel is pairing Gwen and Miles? Did Marvel just forget she isn't a teenager?

So they're going to give the older cloned Gwen for Peter as a girlfriend while setting Miles with Spider-Gwen? Is that it?

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>>89092602
Remember when the Frank Cho controversy happened? People were upset saying that Frank Cho sexualized a high school girl... even though the comic had outright stated that Gwen is in college.

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>>89092627
SHE IS NOT A CLONE!

>>89092602
Gwen is nine"teen", but that's not stopping them

Seriously, making it a team up with them talking about their dad issues then put out the kiss as a surprise is better than this forced pandering

So this is the real Gwen?

Also how many fucking times will Slott use Jackal?

>>89092627
Slott is always like "Peter Parker can't have superheroic love interests, that isn't grounded" so if he were to follow his own logic pairing him up with a supervillain-made clone of his dead gf couldn't happen since it wouldn't qualify as grounded

>>89092681
No, this is a clone. The real Gwen is dead.

>>89092414
That's some pretty lame bait. I'm surprised people actually fell for it.

>>89091910
>I am not a clone
That's exactly what a clone would say. In fact, that's literally what her first clone said. And her third clone. Maybe her fourth too? It's hard to keep track given the number of times the Jackal has cloned her.

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>>89092715
Wrong.

>>89092663
right, she's a zombie
would you stick your dick in a zombie remember, it's a zombie that just looks like a human, not a sexy undead monster girl

>>89092498
Slott can't even be bothered to get Spider-Gwen's personality right. Do you honestly think he knows how old she is?

>>89091819
I'm guessing that by saying she's not a clone, from another dimension, evil, or mind-controlled, she's actually all four plus a Life Model Decoy of a Doombot made to look like Gwen because Dr. Doom was bored that week.

>>89091937
Solicits are done 3 months ahead of time, so they have to take that into account when writing around spoilers.

Do you think Gwen's kids are going to get involved?

>>89092177
No, they were just 12 in 1972 and remember Gwendy as the best even though she was bland as fuck and the most important thing she ever did was die.

>>89092727
>every opinion I disagree with is bait
Geez, I knew Spider-fags were childish but even this is too much.

>>89092764
At the same time it just didn't seem like there were any surprises for who "came back from the dead". Like the only one would've been Uncle Ben.

No one likes Gwen. Stop with all the not-Gwen's too

>>89092790
Forgot to add, Uncle Ben would've been the only one who would've been a surprise. Gwen got cloned a few times in the 70's clone stories and the 90's Clone Saga.

>>89092768
Gwen never had kids. Ever. That was just Dr Manhattan messing with time.

>>89092641
...Anyone else thinking at first that says "Dick your Major" because the P is slightly deformed?

I dare not contemplate how that would work, though no doubt /aco/ has seventeen different threads dedicated to it already.

>>89092837
>Dr Manhattan

How many universes are they crossing over? Watchmen are appearing in Spiderman comics now?

>>89092681
>So this is the real Gwen?
That depends on whether or not you consider a re-animated corpse created through pretty much the same process as cloning to be "real" or not.

>>89092641
First rule of comic fandom: 90% of the people who bitch about shit didn't even read the stuff they're bitching about.

>>89092954
Rorschach had to go somewhere.

>>89092768
Has the Gwen banging Gobby thing been brought up?

>>89092663
Right she was created the exact same way as every other Gwen clone ever. But this one is a special snowflake and is totes real.

>>89092783
You came in here looking to rustle some jimmies not discuss. Of course it's bait you dumb golliwog.

>>89093008
They've tried to retcon it a few times, but editorial throws a shit fit about that.

>>89091910
>Jackal brings people back to life with cloning
>Gwen was dead
>she knows she was dead
>she knows that the Jackal brings people back with cloning
>she doesn't think she's a clone
>she gets mad that Peter thinks she's a clone
>she knows he has good reason to think that

Honestly, why does he even bother with her at this point? Every single thing involving her since the first time she died only made her a worse character. At least she was smart before and was able to live with knowing she was a clone, but this is just putting what's left of her character into a meat grinder and putting a note saying "Property of Norman Osborn: I was her first and made sure I was also her last."

>>89092371

He never will as long as the aforementioned writers are around and MJ or any other love interest written like shit.

>>89091910
so why cant more clones realize what they are and move on

>>89093053
Why though? It's not like anyone wants to buy Sins Past. Most creators probably think it was bad, too. Does Marvel think sweeping things under the rug magically make it go away? Oh wait.

>>89093078
Because you need that super forced drama for all the fan rage. It's what Slott does. It's literally the only story he knows how to write.

>>89091819
>Not a Clone
>A Clone Conspiracy Tie-In

Man, if Slott wanted to make people believe the "not a clone" hogwash, he is marketing this nonsense completely wrong.

>>89093217
He's also acting like we have never seen a Gwen clone before or know how other clones are made.

Does Slott truly think his readership are that much of mouth breathing idiot's? If so, why do people like him again?

>>89091819
>Gage is helping write
Oh god, it's fucking Superior all over again.

>>89092727
It's actually pretty boring.
I understand that there are people who waited for that book to happen, but i find it a bit bland, but its just my opinion

>>89093051
No, I came here to discuss Spider-Man, same as everyone else here I'm assuming. Don't blame me for the sorry state of the franchise.

>>89093379
It's build up and showing you character circumstances. Also you forget that Conway has probably been told to decompress the shit out of his writing.

But she is a clone. Jackal didn't resurrect Gwen, he cloned her again.

meh

>>89093444
I think most of the readers know that. It's just Slott trying to push the "they're not clones!" thing.

>>89093471
More people would buy it if there was some mystical element to this, showing us their souls are reentering their bodies or something.

>>89092727
RYV is dirty water offered to people in a desert

>>89091910
Pls kill her again.

>>89093514
Nu-Marvel dont use religions

>>89093008
I bet after Slott's done retreading the Clone Saga he'll do a rehash of Sins Past.

Like that's literally his goal I feel, to tackle all these (in)famous Spidey stories and fuck them up even further.

Maybe he can have Jackal-Ben and Norman spitroast Gwen this time.

>>89092425
That, not to mention when Peter saw the first Gwen clone and though it was really her he was hapoy to see her but wasn't that thrilled about her throwing herself at him because he was having feelings for MJ at the time.

Why are they trying to make a big deal about Gwen still? We got Spider-Gwen and Gwenpool. Nobody cares about normal Gwen anymore.
This is like making the announcement that Iron Man is in Infinity Wars.

>>89093514
that's still a clone

>>89093652
If Spider-Gwen sales are going down do you suppose that they're trying to introduce a 616 version of Spider-Gwen?

>>89093687
Sure, but at least he can say it's the real deal in that sense, instead of a new being created with memories of someone else.

>>89093708
oh fucking joy

>>89092311
I really don't get it. I've read plenty of old Spider-Man comics, and MJ was always way more likable than Gwen.

>>89093433
0/10 bait. Keep trying.

>>89093514
This. That would differentiate these clones from previous ones.

But Ben is using exactly the same process Miles has always used. Slott just thinks readers are dumb.

>>89093618
When Pete saw the very first Gwen clone, he wasn't happy at all? The fuck are you talking about? He nearly had a mental breakdown.

>>89091819
>>89091868
>>89091892
>>89091910
Why is 616 Gwen always forced into the same exact outfit from the 60s? She's cloned naked, so SOMEONE has to be making the conscious decision to buy the exact same outfit she died in.

>>89093708
What's the fucking point?!

>>89093853
>wahhh he don't like some shitty comic starring my imaginary friend wahhh
OK, triggered child.

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>>89091892

>>89093925
Iconography. Simple as that.

Even though Gwen wore tons of outfits, that is her most famous.

>>89093939
>Totally here to discuss guise! Don't get mad at my clearly antagonist shit posting! Just discussing!

Keep trying.

>>89093969
Keep crying.

>>89093939
>Calling others triggered.

That's pretty ironic. You're the only one here throwing a fit over RYV. Just saying.

>>89092472
Her death turned her into a saint. And for that, she became the "most beloved" character.

But really it works that way for a lot of people in real life. An artist's work doesn't become truly valuable until after they die, for instance. And think about all the celebrity deaths we've had where no one talks about them for years until AFTER they pass. There's a certain glorification in death that really brings forth the hypocrisy of the people who put the dead on a pedestal.

>>89093988
>that
>throwing a fit
All I said is that it's a shit book. You're the ones who won't get off my back about it.

>>89091892

Not gonna ask about the kids Gwen? FOR SHAME!

>>89093925
>so SOMEONE has to be making the conscious decision to buy the exact same outfit she died in.

Miles Warren definitely would
I don't know about Ben Reilly, but possibly.

>>89093929
To sell more Spider-Gwen products.

>>89094000
Not immediately. That was mostly the fact that readers back then are no in charge. Also Marvels didn't help with painting her as kind and caring and extremely pure during the invasion by Namor.

Bringing back Gwen is basically the Final Fantasy VII Remake of Marvel.

For years it was considered the hypest, most guaranteed money printing machine they could possibly make.

But then they waited too fucking long and now it's not that big a deal anymore.

After this fails to reignite Spider-Man's sales I guarantee Slott will finally be taken off the book.

>>89092251
pls respond

>>89091819
>hARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

>>89094267
Ok, here's a reply
>>89092251

It just occurred to me, does Harry know that Gwen slept with his dad and is the mother to his half-siblings?

I mean at least Gwen wasn't actually dating Peter at the time and Norman being the Goblin wasn't known.
Pretty sure screwing your friends parents is considered a no go area.

>>89094241
Spiderman is going to get a huge boost when that movie comes out. Sorry, but its time you accept that Spider-man belongs to Slott and will until he dies.

>>89094000
>>89094143
Even at the time, a lot of people were really mad and Stan Lee kept getting yelled at at conventions and things.

I don't think she was ever that popular while she was in the book, which is why Lee's successors killed her off almost immediately after he stepped down as writer/editor. But killing her turned her into a popular character with people who never cared about her until she died.

I'm gonna kill him

>>89091892
>>89091910
>Did I ever mention I fucked Mary Jane after you died?
>Did I mention she did Anal?

>>89094614
She was a good friend

>>89091934
This is reading like a terrible MUH PHOENIX parody.

I'm happy the RYV shilling turned out for naught, that book doesn't deserve to sell, alongside Marvel's other tumbling sales.

>>89094614
>It's okay, I fucked Norman while I was still alive
>Also, I gave birth to his kids

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>>89094678
You do realize Pete knows about that right? I don't remember them taking this shitty sidestory out of continuity.

You'd think she'd wear something new.

>>89094813
Yeah but Gwen wouldn't know that Peter knows, so it'd be like:

Peter:
>Did I ever mention I fucked Mary Jane after you died?
>Did I mention she did Anal?

Gwen:
>It's okay, I fucked Norman while I was still alive
>Also, I gave birth to his kids

Peter:
>Yeah, I know.

Gwen:
>Shit.

>>89094957
Please never write comics

>>89094813
Honestly I don't even regard this as canon.

Remember the time Norman made Peter believe that he was a clone and Ben Reilly was the real Pete?
Remember the time Norman made Peter believe that his child wasn't actually stillborn, but Norman had stolen her as soon as she was born and had hidden her away somewhere?
Convincing him that his college girlfriend had his arch-enemy's babies is just another one of his fucked up mind tricks.

>>89091819
>What would push the one of the most beloved characters in Marvel history

The great thing about seeing Gwen back?

WE CAN SEE THE MAWKISH BITCH DIE AGAIN

>>89095129
Remember the time Norman convinced Peter that Aunt May was dying/dead when she was actually an actress and the real Aunt May was hidden away?

Pretty sure that's still canon.

>>89095197
an even better ending to Superior Spider-Man is if Green Goblin just pulled a curtain to reveal Doc Ock locked in a cage, and he orchestrated the whole thing to make Pete think he died and had his body taken over by Otto.

>>89092311
This
>>89092782
and ESPECIALLY this

I'll never understand the goddam cult of Gwen.

Her dad was cool though.

>>89095019
You should be directing it toward >>89094678
and >>89094614

>>89091934
>He doesn't have friends who are clones
You live under a rock or something?

>>89094295
thanks famm

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>>89095129
But you should also remember that Mary Jane acknowledged the fact Gwen had kids and knew from the beginning. So unless MJ was actually a clone or genetic actress or some shit, sins past ain't never going away, amigo.

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>>89091910
>And I remember every part of my life!

>>89095577
I came in this thread to post this.

>>89094335
Wasn't the rumor a while back that Slott was being put on GotG after Bendis quit?

And slott hasn't been assainated because....?

>>89095730
>H-how dare he write my imaginary friend badly!!
This is why no one takes comics seriously.

>>89092782
this we need people who grew up after Gwen was already dead and when MJ was Peter"s waifu to be running Spider-Man and stop this shit

>>89091819
She's still a clone, even if she has the same memories. Does Dan Slott not realize this?

>>89095868
Slott has been hamfistedly ruining Spider-Man for 7 years at this point, so yeah it's kind of a dire situation

>>89095197
>the actress really died
>she never broke character

>>89096072
>Osborn Journal was released as a piece of in-universe musings of Norman to explain away how the hell he orchestrated the entire Clone Saga from the shadows
>Of Aunt May's death he says "my only regret is that I had nothing to do with it"
>Couple years later it turns out Norman switched her with a pseudo-clone actress and held her captive
>it's canon that Norman writes journals in which he lies to himself

>>89096236
That's not even the least of it since he also says he only set Clone Saga in motion because Parker "killed Harry".

Now it's "Parker made me have to fool everybody into thinking Harry had actually died, and so that's why I had to make him lose everything and kill his baby which he never conceived because they can't think about having babies if they're not married".

>>89094813
>I don't remember them taking this shitty sidestory out of continuity.

Maybe Secret Wars did, but OMD explicitly didn't, since the son showed up and attacked Harry for reasons I don't care to remember.

>>89096409
>the son showed up and attacked Harry for reasons I don't care to remember.
"I'M THE ONLY LEGITIMATE OSBORNSPAWN AROUND".

Yeah, really.

>>89092714
I can see that fat fucking troll trying to use some fucked up backwards logic to defend it and say that it's totally different in this situation and then he'll go on to give Pete and Gwen a whole family and whatnot just to shit all over RYV and say his book is better and blah blah blah.

Why can't Slott just have a fucking heart attack already?

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>>89096374
Yeah that's awful as well, though you can hand wave it as "he hates Spider-Man, he wants to kill him" and move on. All of that stuff with Peter leaving his responsibility to Reilly and keeping his identity because he had a family, however, makes no sense at all post-retcons.

The other hilarious part is all of Norm's pretend grief and cemetery visits.
>Norman goes to Harry's grave
>Says sad stuff to his "dead" son, there's no one around to even overhear him
>Spider-Man villains don't know what the fuck to do with their free time

>>89096039
If i remember, Colossus come back in similar fashion. Only that was from alien tech. After a time everybody stop asking question and acept him as the real one.

>>89095717
It was recently announced that Duggan is getting GotG.

I blame Emma Stone for this.

She's not even pretty.

>>89096862
Is it Emma Stone's fault? Or is it whoever decided they should go with Gwen instead of MJ in the Amazing Spider-Man movies's fault?

>>89096891
Emma Stone has a huge cult following of neckbeards; including Slott, Quesada, and most others at Marvel.

>>89097039
Proof?

>>89097039
But, again, she could have easily been cast as MJ had whoever decides what characters to use in movies decided to just start with MJ again instead of using Gwen. Look, I'm not saying she's not at least partially to blame, but she's not entirely to blame.

yawn

>>89097039
>>89097070
Also Tom Brevoort, the editor who devised the Brand New Day reboot, said a few times on social media that it was a mistake for the Garfield Spidey to kill Gwen off and that if they'd kept her alive, that version wouldn't have gotten canceled.

>>89097144
Seconded. Slott's Spider-Man has become more and more boring each day. Gage is also dull.

>>89095197
God, 90s Spider-Man was stupid.

>>89097585
Thank god, 00s and 10s Spider-Man improved on it by giving him arm spikes, revealing his identity on live tv, having him make a deal with the devil to annul his marriage to save a woman who's been dying since 1965, had him killed and replaced by his first arch-nemesis, and saw him get turned into Iron Man.

>>89091910
Being a clone doesn't make you any less of something, but it also doesn't make you Gwen Stacy exactly.

She died, you're someone who was born with her memories and body, but not exactly her. It might not be much of a difference but still.

Clones are people, but they can't exactly be the same as the one who died.

Ben Reilly and Peter Parker are the biggest examples of how the second the original and clone seperate and go their own path, they become different people. You are your experiences, you aren't something innate.

>>89097649
Well, true. JMS's run had some good parts at least. But when you put it that way, it's really incredible that people still read Spider-Man.

>>89097676
Also if you respect that original logic this can't be Ben Reilly. "The" Ben Reilly died 27 clones ago.
>>89097899
Yes, JMS' Spider-Man was wonderful
>mfw I honestly liked the public identity SQ and felt they should've milked it for longer

>>89096039
For Spider-Man comics, Clone still has a stigma attached to it.

>>89092003
What happened to the Gwen clone from the end of Conway's run?

>>89092311
Including...Stan.

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>>89098297
Well the Spectacular Annual said it was a woman who was deluded into thinking she was Gwen Stacey after the first Clone Saga ended and didn't she decide to die with Warren?

>>89098472
The original Clone Gwen was killed shortly before Spider-Island IIRC. They had to pull a double whammy on the whole Dreamweaver business too.

>>89098472
To be fair, that was back when the idea was that the Jackal wasn't making fully grown clones (because how could a college teacher manage that), but he was instead hypnotized into THINKING she was Gwen Stacy.
This and the Maximoff Twin's parentage is a big reason why the High Evolutionary should never be trusted, because everything he says is a bucket of lies.

>>89098472
>Well the Spectacular Annual said it was a woman who was deluded into thinking she was Gwen Stacey after the first Clone Saga ended and didn't she decide to die with Warren?

It's from Spectacular Spider-Man Annual #8. I actually just reread this not long ago. Her name was Joyce Delaney. She got her pre-Gwen Clone memories back from the Young Gods (specifically Daydreamer).

She lived until Spider-Island: Deadly Foes #1, where she was offed by Jackal and another of his Gwen clones.

>>89098551
Yeah, they retconned a retcon back to the original status quo. I laughed at that.

>>89092311
No one actually cared about Gwen. They just liked the Archie comics drama she brought when MJ/Peter was an accepted thing. They did House of M purely to subvert Peter/MJ for some easy soap drama.

But since MJ has been effectively destroyed and removed as a character from the main Spidey-verse, there's really no point to it nor 616 Gwen anymore.

>>89098580
I remember reading another anon's idea that the High Evolutionary is actually just a pathological liar. I think that's actually a pretty funny idea and would be totally cool if Marvel ran with it.

>>89095525
If there is a god that story will never ever be mentioned again.

>>89098641
This one right?


It's funny just how many retcons involve the High Evolutionary lying
>I'm a self-made genius
>lol I lied, I just ripped off some Inhuman's research

>Spider-Woman! You are a spider I turned into a humanoid
>lol I lied, Hail Hydra

>Jackal was a fraud, he never cloned anyone
>lol I lied because something something Young Gods, also I was jealous

>Magneto is the father of the Maximoff Twins
>lol my cow lied and I went along with it for shits and giggles

>>89097039
>>89096891
>>89096862
Emma stone has nothing to do with this the "Gwen is perfect!!!" Revisionist history started just before JMS left the book

>>89097453
Gage is trying to polish a turd, what would you expect?

>>89092429
Huh. Spider-Gwen is 20. So that means she's a pedophile now, right? Since she's hooking up with Miles. He's like 14, I think.

>>89092370
Hahaha you fucking delusional shitstack, RYV is terrible garbage not worthy of Spider-Man, exactly the same as Slott's shitty fanfiction

>>89092371
That was one hatchetjob of a story, done by a hack who was getting his stories chewed up by quesada.

It's not canon. Just because the retcon isn't out yet doesn't make it canon

So we're having young Gwen Stacy and old Gwen Stacy?
And Gwen Polley who, let's face it, is another Gwen Stacy?

>>89092562
What the fuck happened to her tits?

>>89091868
Why the fuck would Peter be happy to see the bitch that cheated on him with fucking NORMAN OSBORN and GAVE BIRTH TO HIS CHILDREN?

>>89098073
>Also if you respect that original logic this can't be Ben Reilly. "The" Ben Reilly died 27 clones ago.

The old process created new persons.

The new process that Miles Warren used on Ben Reilly's remains and the later improved a bit is something else. Something that draws on a "psychic" something to acquire the memories just before death.

Maybe the new process also draws the original soul back into the new body? Or maybe it only does it sometimes (when the person is dead and a soul to collect is available)?

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>>89091819 (OP)
So either Gwen is somehow different from the others or they've bought into Slott's crap about these clones being more than just clones.

>>89092251
This one?

>>89101555
Yessss thank you

>>89100787
Miles is 16 now apparently

>>89101181
Did Ben have a soul though?

>>89091819
It isn't that different from Ultimate Gwen is it she was killed by Carnage but was brought back as a clone and they just considered her the real deal.

>>89091819
Wasn't Prowler also killed an brought back as a clone? So do we consider him fake now?

>>89101555
>I was a better you than you were
Man I liked Superior despite everything and that botched end.

>>89092641
>c-can we compromise
This guy is pretty funny

>>89101908
Superior was an amusing idea and there were some damn good moments in there, but when your entire story hinges on every character being a drooling retard then you might have to rethink your approach to the whole thing.

>>89101908
Superior's major problem is that it lasted too long, and I don't mean that in a negative sense. The longer that story lasted, the more unbelievable it became that nobody could tell something happened to Peter. Between the fact that he kept interacting with people who know him well, and the fact that he never even BOTHERED trying to get one of the myrid telepaths to figure out what happened, it's not uncommon for people's opinion on the series to soured because "Holy shit, how can NOBODY notice?!"

Say what you will about Hydra Cap (actually don't say anything, and save the shitposting for a different thread), but at least Steve isn't acting that different to people he doesn't intend to immediately kill.

>>89093925
>she's cloned naked
With how many times she's been fake-out brought back, is there anyone in the MU who HASN'T seen her naked?

We know Osborn did.

>>89102927
>We know Osborn did.
As far as I'm concerned non canon.

>>89100015
>>lol my cow lied and I went along with it for shits and giggles
Bova didn't lie! Magneto used magnetism on her brain to compel her to speak the truth!
Clearly the High Evolutionary implanted her with fake memories because reasons.

>>89092371
>>89092311
One of these days Venom is going to wind up possessing a Gwen Clone and Peter is going to be shitting himself trying to figure out which one of his Ex's Venom is bonded with.

>>89091819
>most beloved characters in Marvel history
she's not even in the top six billion

>>89091819
Which of the "totally not clones guys" will live on after this event is over? We know for a fact that Ben Reilly and Prowler will.

>>89091910
Kinda hoping Peter counters her with Norman,

>>89101097
Pretty sure that's been low-key ejected from canon by this point

>>89091868
>>89091892
Did Slott have a stroke? This dialogue is awful, it reads like it's being written by a grade schooler, or Bendis

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>>89103247
>This dialogue is awful, it reads like it's being written by a grade schooler, or Bendis
I blame Editorial because this shit keeps cropping up all over the entire Marble Nower line.

>>89103219
Probably a few of the villains. I'd like Richard Fisk to stay alive.

>>89103267
Waid deserves to have the wind knocked out of him for this. He doesn't grasp the concept of microagressions.

>>89103303
They're a dumb, paranoid concept and that's a dumb line so it seems pretty accurate to me.

>>89100905
>And Gwen Polley who, let's face it, is another Gwen Stacy?

She isn't, at all. Just admit you don't even read that book or know anything about it.

>>89101867
>So do we consider him fake now?

If people aren't, they absolutely should. Prowler is dead.

>>89092587
>on the other hand ASM is somehow still the best selling Marvel title that's not a Star Wars comic, or a new #1 with incentives, or the main Civil War II book.
I wish I had a Bendis version of crying feelsguy to post in response to this.

>>89102168
>The longer that story lasted, the more unbelievable it became

It was unbelievable by issue two, when SpOck when on the date with MJ and she didn't even acknowledge that Pete was using a COMPLETELY different speech pattern and had a totally different personality.

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Only one man can save us from the Gwenpocalypse

>>89103592
>I wish I had a Bendis version of crying feelsguy to post in response to this.

Make one!

>>89095730
Marvel fans are pussies these days
hell atleast Hal Jordan fans tried to bomb DC offices

>>89103651
That was before Gitmo tho.

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>>89091910
...and Pete would believe Gwen... why?

This isn't the first time he was told a Clone Gwen was the real one. Not even the second. Not even the THIRD time.

>b-b-but this time its TOTALLY true!

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>>89103659

>>89091910
>And I remember every part of my life

I hope the next panel is Peter saying, "Yeah, like every other Gwen clone ever. That's how clones work."

>>89101675
Clones (or at least genetically modified duplicates with a bit of some other person's dna spliced in) canonically have souls. They seem to count as the demonic equivalent of spam,tofu, or imitation ??? meat to demons in limbo. (X-23)
Given enough time to develop they seem to eventually grow a proper one but I could be confuzzling this point with a similar Kon moment.

>>89103706
Slott claims that clones are given fake, implanted memories which doesn't even make sense.

>>89103596
It was personally egregious to me personally since the very first spider-man story i recall actually reading ended in MJ beating the shit out of the chameleon with a baseball bat.

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>>89103823
I'm right there beside you.

Its like, how the FUCK would she NOT know it wasn't Peter? She only dated him for years and lived with him for several years as well. She knew Peter inside and out.

And this schlub starts calling her "woman" and just acting like an obnoxious tool and she doesn't even bat an eye?

I'm not saying she would know it was Ock running the show, but she sure as shit should have known it was NOT Peter.

The whole story was just unforgivable.

>>89103786
I'm starting to think he never read the clone saga despite his apparent "love" for it.

>>89092782
Not just bland as fuck.
She was that weird mix between turbocunt and bland as fuck.

>>89091819
>not a clone
>is a clone

>>89104124
He likely just wiki'd it. Its clear Slott has never read most of the comics he references.

He couldn't even be bothered to figure out what the Carrion Virus is.

Hint: its never been a zombie virus before.

>>89093550

Only if she is a clone.

>>89102927

No; that was an Imaginary Story.

>>89104303
Good thing she's a clone then.

>>89104274
I'll give him some leeway with that, his "new" cloning formula could probably cause this.

>>89104242
And Ben Reilly now is just a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of the original Ben Reilly.

>>89104316
The new cloning formula could randomly change a previously existing virus to something entirely different?

The fuck?

Worst girl.

>>89104319
Not enough clones of Ben.

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>One of the most beloved characters in Marvel history

>>89101181
Slott hasn't discussed the matter of souls in this arc nor in Superior. That's mostly people's headcanon that caught on, to make sense of his statement that these are the real people resurrected.

>psychic imprint on a deceased person's body
If the psychic imprint equals the entirety of collective metaphysical elements that make up someone's identity (sans soul since, again, Slott hasn't touched the topic) then there's a blatant plot hole: when Ock is "resurrected"/cloned, the psychic imprint that awakes in his body is that of Peter Parker, explained by the fact it was his mind that died in Ock's body in ASM #700. By the former logic, this is the REAL Parker, which would make the Spider-Man running around... a mind clone? Or just what exactly?

>>89104348
>to make sense of his statement that these are the real people resurrected.

No one is trying to make sense of it. Its a flat out lie. A clone is a clone.

Pretty much everyone called this shit before it was even officially announced.

>>89104402
I know. I did too. It's on the title.
But the anon I'm replying to suggested said headcanon. I don't think it's true. This is Ben Reilly XXVIII and Gwen IV (or V) as far as I'm concerned.

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>>89093618
>not to mention when Peter saw the first Gwen clone and though it was really her he was hapoy to see her

Yeah, he sure was happy!

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>>89104572

>>89104554
>>89104572
>>89104586
If Bendis wrote this today, it would take him 22 pages just to cover the info on these 3 pages.

>>89104644

Benis? The writer?

>>89104924
Yes. Bendis. The writer.

>>89104981

Benis writes stuff?

>>89105005
Yes. He writes. He writes comics.

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Will the mindswap and clone clusterfuck get even worse before the event is over?
Find out soon, true believers!

>>89104328
New strain, and this is a comic book?

>>89105040

Comics? He writes comics?

>>89105184
>New strain
Of something entirely unrelated?

>and this is a comic book?
Why not just give it a different name all together? The zombism has literally nothing to do with anything Carrion related up to this story.

>>89105200
Comics. Superhero comics.

>>89105200

Superheros? Superhero comics?

>>89105481
Superheroes. Heroes with powers.

>>89105481
Like the ones in latex and capes?

>>89091868
>>89091892
>>89091910
> By the way Gwen, I heard you fucked Norman Osborn

>>89105529
>>89105508

Latex. Capes. Powers.

Superheros?

>>89092663
And Osborn never fucked gwen,eso,yes

>>89096746
To be fair, forgetting his son is still alive is very much in line with Norman's parenting skills.

>>89094666
You're right, Satan.

I'm still mad at you for what you did to Peter

>>89107109
The super heroes who fight villains?

>>89107252

Villans? That fight superheros?

With Capes? Latex? Powers?

>>89094241
>But then they waited too fucking long and now it's not that big a deal anymore.
Nope, people still care about VII-R

>>89107292
The villains. The ones who cause mayhem and destruction.

>>89094241
>I guarantee Slott will finally be taken off the book.

And if you're wrong?

>>89107352

And fight superheros?

In comics he writes?

>>89107410
In the comics. Villains. Like Black Cat.

>>89107470

Black Cat is a Villain?

Who fights heroes?

Like Peter?

>>89107532
Black Cat. Who was a hero and than became a villain. Because of one punch.

>>89107556

One punch? Like, a single punch?

One?

>>89107664
Just one. From SpOck. Only one.

>>89107692

And she became a Villain? Because of one punch?

A punch from SpOck? Who was Doc Ock?

>>89107745
One punch. From SpOck. Dock Ock? The man with the mechanical arms?

Guys I'm so confused.

What about the Gwen that fucked Norman and had kids? She wasn't Gwen?

>>89107773
She was. What are you confused about? That happened before real Gwen died.

>>89107766

Mechanical arms. Like a mechanical octopus.

And he punched Black Cat? The hero? Who became a Villain?

After one punch?

>>89107773

But that was back in the 70's or 60's no?

>>89107838
Yeah. Just like a mechanical octopus. Because "Dock Ock".

One punch. From Spider-Man's body. That's all it took.

>>89107950

Punched Black Cat?

But it was Doc Ock? But not with the mechanical arms? In Spider-man's body?

And now she's a Villain?

>>89103682
>Aunt May had a perfect death issue and they still brought her back

Thanks, Hype Box. You made me upset over that again.

>>89108035
Yup. Dock Ock. In Spider-Man's body. That's who punched Black Cat.

One punch is all it took to forget all of Black Cat's development.

>>89108062
>You made me upset over that again.

The Gift is one of the best Spider-Man stories of all time, though.

>>89108080

Forgetting Black Cat's development?

After one punch? Because of the writer?

>>89094241
>After this fails to reignite Spider-Man's sales I guarantee Slott will finally be taken off the book.

I wish you were right, but if Marvel has let him stick around this long, they're not going to give him the boot over this.

>>89097649
What you just said is still not as bad as the 90's.

And you know it.

>>89091823
Love me some Bianchi

>>89108270
Black Cat. All her development was gone. Because of Slott. The writer.

>>89108522
You're right. Its arguably worse.

>>89108522
At this point I think I'd rather read Byrne's Spider-Man than Slott's. And I really fucking hated Byrne's Spider-Man back in the 90's.

>>89108861

Slott? The writer? He writes stuff?

Like Bendis?

>>89109125
Slott. The Writer. He writes all shit stories. Like Bendis.