Hey, Big Bang's twitter is doing their December sales recap

They haven't been positive about Marvel for a few months now.

>NOVA #1 sold the exact same number as the series before the relaunch. No extra orders for it, no bump.
Fuck

>>89018346
They haven't had a reason to really be postove. Having to pay for shipping of unsellable Marvel comics. Ike getting rid of digital codes. High prices for Marvel comics. Constant relaunches and number ones. Non-returnable books. Books nobody wants. Handwaving all criticism are racists/sexists.

>Shame for FoolKiller, as I thought that was quality.
>There is a thing going on here where quality Marvel stuff is getting ignored because it IS MARVEL!
>(which is different from back in the day when people would buy Marvel books because they were Marvel books)
I love retailer talk.

>>89018480
Is it surprising? They're marketing it the same amount as the last volume.

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>>89018286
Yeah, like I'm going to pay money for brown outing white characters with diversity quota replacements, shitty social justice storylines and dumb fucking reboots.

Marvel's movies are pretty OK but their comics are almost uniformly shit.

>>89018346
Only if you read the sales tweets. They usually promote a bunch of Marvel stuff in their other tweets.

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lel

>>89018745
That's pretty much what I do read of Big Bang. It's what I look for.

>Ireland
There shit doesn't even go through Diamond

>>89018286
Another retailer (in Seattle) said that customers are having event fatigue.

https://twitter.com/HeatherMcFrln/status/818568418529931264

>>89018728
Go read Foolkiller. The only brown there is Shit King.

>>89018691
Except this time there's Rich Rider. What happened to those millions of Rich Rider fans?

>>89018928
They don't and have never existed.

>>89018805
> I like the creative team, but it's not an A list character

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This isn't the only store reporting that these books have failed. My friend works at a store in a decently sized city and they can't even give away copies of Solo.

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Is it finally happening /co/?

Are comic readers no longer buying like idiots?

>And TRANSFORMERS LOST LIGHT #1 sold out because our customers fecking love a good Nick Roche cover.
Probably also because that book and its predecessor are better than they have any right to be.

>>89018286
how big/important is big bang comics in terms of retailer stuff? I mean, I known midtown comics is kind of important...right?

>>89018997
they are still buying variant covers like crazy, ask the guy how much money is he making from variants and if he is getting the 1:1000 variants too.

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>>89018850
The thing is that on judging individual titles, going by a handful of stores isn't enough if their accounts vary. But if a handful of stores (the ones on Bleeding Cool, along with Big Bang and Ryan Higgins and Brian Hibbs and the other retailers tweeting) are all similarly saying "DCYou isn't doing well" or "Marvel isn't doing well, then there's a problem.

>>89019169
They're not as big as Midtown of course, but it's fun to read these reports. Especially since multiple other retailers chime in to give their experiences as well. So you get a good spread.

>>89018960
I'd pay 3.99 for Slapstick if it was good.
Unfortunately, it isn't.

Considering Marvel keeps giving retailers big orders of books they don't want because they know they won't sell (Mosaic, Champions), I feel like you'd be hard pressed to find a retailer who feels positively about them right now.

>>89018997
If anything they're more idiotic than ever, refusing to try new things.

>>89019222
KEK

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Where's my Blue Lantern Didio?

>>89019293
Nigga pls, many are reading more indies thanks to Marvel.

>>89019222

I remember that thread. It's a shame because I liked DCYou

>>89018997

People don't want to pay $4 plus for a book about a character they don't really care about that's only going to be 20 pages of actual content with an ad on every other page.

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>>89019316
Sorry, busy at the gym.

>>89019222

Nooooo all those stores just hate Marvel! L..look at the the digital sales list Marvel had one book in the top 10, they're doing great!

>>89019328
I remember /co/ being so happy about that but then going nuclear when they saw the sales charts. Bunch of hypocrites, if you ask me.

>>89019348

I thought no one counted digital because there was no reliable way to do so?

>>89019328
Yeah, there were some decent books out of it. But some of it I wished had been launched during the start of the New 52, which would've boosted its profile more.

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>>89019316

>DC is able to do a 6 issue event in 6 weeks
>Marvel takes over 8 months

Why even defend these people at all ?

>>89019371

You will never know how many copies sold but it's a good way to see what is selling, if you know what I mean. Marvel has Civil War II but the rest of the top 10 is mostly DC with the token walking dead or saga every second week

>>89019445
I really don't get why the fuck people buy event comics instead of the lesser books. We live in the digital age; if something important happened you can read it online.

>>89019454
>You will never know how many copies sold but it's a good way to see what is selling
Euh... nope.

>>89019445

Didn't they try that though? They didn't order what they knew wouldn't sell and Marvel sent them huge orders as "freebies" anyway?

>>89018850
So does that make them immune to the regular Marvel shenanigans like overshipping?

>>89019490
Because people are stupid and think something big will happen that will change history if they miss it (not knowing it will be back to normal in a year).

If most normie readers just pirated books like CW2 before they buy, the world would be a much better place.

>>89018960
Capefags in a nutshell. I wish they had a containment board.

>>89018850

I think it does. I saw my LCS get it's order here in New Zealand and it was all in boxes from Diamond

>>89019490
Marvel's conditioned their flock to think events are the only thing worth reading right now. Everything else is either filler or buildup until the annual event and the-world-will-never-be-the-same-omg relaunch it creates.

>>89018960
>>89019607
>Doesn't want to buy a comic because it's $3.99
>MUST BE BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN A-LIST CHARACTER

B R A V O

>>89019490
Normies have a tedious habit of only buying what's "important". I remember a con panel where people went "I love Ellis, but I don't buy his Moon Knight, because who cares about Moon Knight?"

>>89019328
DCYou had good new books but the main line was mostly dreadful. But considering it seems like the plan all along there was to mine the new talent for the main books maybe it served its purpose.

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>>89019635
Problem is this time around it's only the event selling (and not that good compared to the original or even AvX) and it affected sales of books tying in.

>>89019293
This 2bh. DCYou books were good but sold like shit. Rebirth is trash but capefags slurp that shit up.

>>89019701
>fair weather fans
kek, if a book's writing suddenly takes a downturn for the worse, you drop it, otherwise it'll never get fixed.

>>89019701
I like that Carol fans are getting shit on.

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>>89019737
>Rebirth is trash

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>>89019701

>HULK #1 sold out. We based our order numbers on a mix of the old SHE-HULK series and the new TOTES AWESOME HULK. Had to re-order a few!
Neat. It's a shame Nova and Foolkiller bombed. If only all the good books would sell and all the bad books would burn.

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>>89019701

>Nick is a cuck
>Nick is with her

You cant make this shit up!

>>89018928
Marvel told them all to fuck off.

>>89018928
They are all busy posting notes on tumblr

>>89019701
>fair weather friends
Because you're not a true fan unless you read the shitty comics too. And this is the all-new, all-better Miss Marvel we're talking about, it's not like she's going to disappear from the face of the planet if her book loses a couple of hundred or thousand readers. Unlike certain other books, character and teams...

>>89018480
>A book featuring Sam is doing poorly.
Dude, I liked issue 2, but this can't be surprising to you.

>>89019952
The art is not gonna sell it either.

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Glad that it sold out in one store, I wonder if the book did the same in other stores, any got any data of that?

>>89018961

No wonder, since it's shite.

There already is a Deadpool.

>>89020008

Here, now, this I like.

>>89019293
Tell us about your superior taste in slice of life stories indie-fag. We /really/ want to hear what about how you think you're better than everyone.

>>89020008
I think it got another printing so it's presumably doing well.

>>89020236
Atleast third printing so far

>>89019987
As long as my eyes aren't being assaulted by Ramos or whoever was on USG, I don't give that much of a shit about art.

>>89020341
I get you, but I feel way differently.

>>89020122
#TRIGGERED

Marvel waste so much shit by giving books to the stupidest fucking chracters.

Why did Solo need a book?
Why did Slapstick need a book?
Why did Foolkiller need a book?
Why did you give Luke Cage a book that looks like an all-ages book despite his recent uptick in popularity?

Wouldn't the best thing to do, given their nonstop diversity push, is to put him in the Avengers?

>>89020472
They have to go along with their "drop characters who are starting to become even slightly popular into limbo or the hands of a terrible writer" thing.

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>>89019342
Good job, Dan.

>>89020472
LIVE A POEM

>>89020472
Foolkiller had a good #1, don't know if it stayed good though since I didn't keep up on it. That kind of book was never going to sell but you put it out and hope the big titles can subsidize it.

>>89020472
>Why did Solo need a book?
>Why did Slapstick need a book?
>Why did Foolkiller need a book?

Notice how they got brought back and then put into Deadpool last year? They probably thought his association with Deadpool would help their sales. But the problem is they barely had time to let them establish. I mean I liked the Gerber Foolkiller and the new series wasn't bad (probably closer to Foolkiller than the MAX series was) but they didn't give time to have them be established to Deadpool fans. Were they just worried they if they associated them with Deadpool too long that Fox might try to call dibs on the characters?

>>89020829
Marvel has been trying pushes with groups of associated characters for a while. Before the Deadpool spin-offs they did Squadron Supreme. They have Kingpin spin-offs coming up.

>>89018928
they were always an extremely loud minority

>>89020077
>>89020008
Why is that? Not picking on you, it seems odd that people are suddenly happy a Marvel book is doing well, and one that could easily come off as pandering. Is it just really good or something? (I'm not saying it is pandering, I haven't read it.)

>>89021031
It's a charity book.

>>89021031
Love is Love ain't Marvel, it's a DC & IDW charity book. Marvel had nothing to do with it

>>89021031
>I haven't read it
Then shut up.

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>>89019490
because this time, we swear, NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME AGAIN

>>89021057
My oh-so-progressive Marvel refused to collaborate on a progressive comic book?

>>89020858
The Kingpin mini was super good

>>89021088
Some Marvel people like Bendis contributed but Marvel doesn't really do collaborations anymore at the publishing level. DC does multiple crossovers a year. Can't underrate the ease of doing something you are already structured to do internally at least.

>>89021131
>Marvel doesn't really do collaborations anymore at the publishing level
Too expensive for uncle Ike?

>>89021161
Probably, but I don't know if we ever got a proper reasoning for it publicly. Just not their thing apparently.

>>89019051
MTMTE started getting shitty towards the end, you cannot possibke think the DJD arc and resolution was any good especially with the build up it got.

Also Roberts likes to jerk himself a a lot when he thinks he's been clever. I mean yeah he writes some good shit but at the same time he drags a story, he wastes comic pages just to try and be witty but instead just has nothing happening, and his meta wank just got stale.

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>>89021187
I know why: now that Ike is buttbuddy with Drumpf, he doesn't want his company to appear in a book about sexual degeneracy.

>>89021286
>Roberts is IDW's Peter David

>>89021299
That doesn't explain the lack of meme crossovers though, like DC has JL/Power Rangers this year.

>>89021326
Because Ike doesn't want to share benefits with other publishers?

>>89021345
It might be more of a Disney thing. There was still a New Avengers/Transformers crossover before the Disney buyout.

>>89019820
Not a lot of people liked Nova #1 and a lot of peoole still didn't know Rich was back.

But judging by how some people reacted to Nova #2 both older fans and newbies I hope the sales are better for that.

>>89018286
Why does /co/ care about Ireland?

>>89018911
Foolkiller's being cancelled. Marvel cancels anything that isn't pandering garbage. It discourages people from reading in the first place.

>>89018928
Some are still angry in the CBN boards and others don't even know he came back or were stilk apathetic to the comic.

Nova #2 was the comic that caught everyone's attention and make people say "Ok I want to buy this" so #2 and #3 might do better than #1

If they don't then I guess they are all bark and no bite.

But then again so are many whiny fans.

What are their thoughts on Marvel messing up digital?

>>89021492
What did they do?

>>89021506
When you buy a physical copy you no longer get a digital code.
The price didn't change

>>89021066
>asking opinions on things you haven't read yet is bad.
Okay.

>>89018728
>Marvel's movies are pretty OK
Not even that. Marvel doesn't deserve anything. If you want Marvel, stick with the old stuff (back when they were good).

>>89021528
Oh I don't think that matters then. The price increase on floppies was never about the digital code no matter how much people tried to talk themselves into believing it. Marvel increased the price because people kept buying books regardless of the cost.

Could Marvel recover it's image?
Nobody pays attention to all the good stuff and they're seen (understandably) as a politically correct mess.
It's been 3 years and people still post the infamous Whor/Absorbing Man scene as bait.

>>89021566
>people kept buying books regardless of the cost
lolno

>>89021299
>now

>>89021161
Nah, Marvel actively did things to poison the well after the mid-2000s. "Tear up these DC books to get a variant cover, fuckboy Retailers! Buy our shit!"

Joe Quesada actively encouraged this antagonism too, when before, nobody was really too bothered about writers and artists working for multiple companies for individual runs.

It's why we'll probably never see a Marvel-DC teamup like JLA/Avengers for a long, long while.

>>89021653
It's generally true, books don't regularly suffer unusual drops in order numbers when the price goes up.

Marvel's biggest problem is the relaunch fatigue, basically everything is treated like a mini but not written tightly enough to make it work.

>>89021709
Or reprints of those DC/Marvel crossovers. Thanks, Quesada.

>>89021739
Many people bothered to buy Marvel because of the digital code.

>>89021755
>Many people bothered to buy Marvel because of the digital code.

I'm waiting to see the chart on the books when the code change happens. But I do remember that Ryan Higgins did a poll asking how customers would react to the change, the choice that got the most was "I never redeem the codes" at 38%..... which sounds good unless you tally up the "dropping all books" with "dropping some books" together and it means 50% of the responders would be willing to drop at least one book.

https://twitter.com/RyanHigginsRyan/status/817482130066272256

>>89021755
I just think when I have seen books increase the sales haven't gone down, and that's across multiple publishers. Maybe Marvel readers will be different and the price will matter now because they feel like they're losing something. I guess we'll see.

It certainly makes me personally tradewait when two or three floppies are the price of a trade on Amazon but it feels like most people aren't like me.

>>89021755
It was a nice bonus, probably not often a reason to buy.

>>89019737
The new Doc Fate was fucking rad and nobody bought it. I didn't even know it existed until right before it got canned.

>>89020122
>"Readers are even more likely to stray from 'muh batman, muh flash, muh superman, muh spidey' than ever, straight up refusing niche books like Foolkiller even when given a push."
>WWWOOOOOWWWW FUCKING INDIE FAG HOW'S THAT NOT SUPERHERO SHIT GOING

Are you retarded or something.

>>89024407
Great artists, but lousy writing. Dr. Fate should be revamped under Young Animal.

>>89018286
>catering comics to satisfy arab-mongolian genderqueer trans-questioning refugee-otherkin amputees doesn't sell

colour me shocked

>>89024496
I'm surprised Young Animal doesn't have a single stinker. Mother Panic is probably the worst of the bunch, and it's just "pretty good to okay."

>>89018928
>>89018946
>>89019853
>>89019883
>>89020966
The rabid ones are still angry about Sam existing, and they hate him so much it ruins Richard's return for them

Remember these are people post in places that will ban you if you call Sam Nova and not NINO (Nova In Name Only)

In the comic, Kamala calls Richard's fans "intense". She's not fucking kidding.

>>89024599
Nah, Cave Carson is the weakest, a tad bit boring and worst art. Mother Panic far exceeded my expectations considering the weak hook, but execution so far has been very good and art amazing.

>>89020858
>They have Kingpin spin-offs coming up.

Why? They won't sell

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>tfw bandes-dessinees will never be popular enough for American college student pop culture nerds to sink their triggered little claws into

>>89021463

You think the tastes are going to be radically different or something?

>>89024812
I'd argue Mother Panic is a bit worse because it has a strong idea but fumbles at conveyance (even though that's kind of the point).

>>89024407

>The New Doctor Fate was rad

As somebody with all 18 issues I really regret it. The pacing was awful and ultimately nothing happened

>>89024812
>not liking superior shade

>>89020472
>Why did you give Luke Cage a book that looks like an all-ages book despite his recent uptick in popularity?

I haven't been paying attention. I hope you're talking about a new book and not CAGE! because I can't imagine anyone confusing that for all-ages

>>89025163
He's talking about CAGE! because he's a moron.

>>89019328
DCYou had good smaller books (Midnighter, Omega Men and Prez to name a couple) but the main big superhero books were awful. Rebirth kind of has the opposite - they cut out those smaller tier books because they didn't sell well, but all the big JL books are doing very well and have great concepts and teams behind them.

>>89025160
But Shade is the best.

>>89025189
Rebirth isn't doing anything great. Yeah, I guess Wonder Woman and Flash are doing better than they were in DCYou era but they still suck.

>>89025189
To be honest, I prefer the DCYou situation. People are going to buy the big name books no matter how shit they are, so it's better to put the talent on good side books so you can build a library of cult classics.

>>89025189

But Rebirth is also giving us good smaller books. Even if we ignore Young Animal we have Midnighter/Apollo, Section 8 and the like. DC just cut the shit and released them as minis

>>89019328
Same. I prefer it to Rebirth honestly.

>>89025489

I'm preferring Rebirth because the main titles are far better and Young Animal is better than the small titles of DCYou

>>89025255
The mainline titles don't deserve mediocrity just because they're mainstays. I know something has to give somewhere, but still.

>>89025569
Well, they're still mediocre.

>>89025601

Aquamans been pretty good

>>89018286
So why exactly is one retail store in Ireland viewed as a metric to measure the entire comic market in the US? Also it's obvious that the industry is moving away from physical sales and even single issue releases so who fucking cares is there has been a downturn in sales?

Oh right, people on /co/ with a massive Marvel hateboner who so desperately want them to fail for no other reason then they aren't pandering to them anymore

>>89025569
We've had decades of good stories from the big guys, and putting talent on their books doesn't ensure quality as editorial fuckery and just plain bad runs are common.

As far as the net gain in good stories is concerned, putting your strong writers on the niche books is actually the safer bet.

>>89025684
it's the very definition of mediocre and unlike the other mainline titles it has really shitty art too,.

>>89025744

OK anon

>>89019666
>liking Ellis but not buying Moon Knight
What the fuck? If you're deep enough in that you even know who Ellis is - and like his writing - how can you still be a characterfag (and also one with poor enough taste you don't like Moon Knight)? Jesus.

>>89025692
>So why exactly is one retail store in Ireland viewed as a metric to measure the entire comic market in the US?

It's not. Lots of other stores are saying the same thing and we have had threads about that. Are we supposed to ignore what stores are saying because it triggers you love of Marvel?

>>89025528
The main titles mostly went from bad to mediocre so in the end I'm still not really enjoying them. I'm liking Young Animal too but I think there are still less books that I genuinely look forward to every month with Rebirth than with DCYou.

>>89025255
But you're objectively wrong. Flash and WW were doing terribly both almost dipping to below 30k, same with GL, and Superman and especially Green Arrow and Aquaman.

>>89025189
Rebirth is also fueling smaller books though.

>>89026644
The way they launched smaller books was so much better for Rebirth: doing a staggered release rather than just dumping everything onto the market at once the way they did with New 52 or DCYou or the way Marvel does it with their relaunches.

>>89025008
>something about fat butts

My LCS is getting pissed that Marvel is starting to turn the Disney Jew screws on them and crushing their margin. They say the variant cancer is almost at the point where it's pointless to order the numbers required.

>>89026872
I like that the niche books are minis. It forces writers to pace out complete stories, I know when one ends another one I'm interested in is usually starting, and there's no fear of having it cut out from under me each solicits day.

>>89025189
>Hanna Barbera
>Young Animal
>Wildstorm
If anything we're now getting way more smaller type books.

>>89019666
>I love Ellis, but I don't buy his Moon Knight, because who cares about Moon Knight?
Capes were a mistake

>>89027489
this, plus lower B-listers (at best) like Batgirl and BoP, Blue Beetle, etc.

>>89022188

When you're in Canada or somewhere other than the US exchange rate comes into play, I know, crazy right? a 3.99 book here in BC comes in over 5$ Which makes DC at 2.99 way more appealing esp given what Marvel's output has been lately.

Image and Darkhorse are still 3.99 though so I'm still kinda screwed, at least their books are of a higher quality though.

>>89021187
iirc back in the Quesada era he cut back on Marvel collaborations and intercompany events (and I mean events as in the annual Marvel-DC softball game) because he wanted to have some Big 2 competition again.
Look how that fucking turned out

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>>89027753

>>89024741
Reminds me of Hal's Emerald Action Team over on the DC forums about fifteen years ago.

>>89026084
Keep in mind, this was a "Breaking up with Comics" panel, and the panelist tastes were awful. "Dan Slott made Spider-Man good again because he remembered to make him funny"

>>89020328
I'm most happy about this one

>>89019666
This is the mentality why good books don't sell, yet shit like Civil War II does and frankly it's disgusting.

>>89028235
And the Carol Corps. Though they're less "rabid character fags" and more just "rabid fags".

>>89027489
about Wildstorm line

the others books that were announced with The Wild Storm got silently cancelled?

>>89028703
No, they're just spinning out of The Wild Storm.

>>89028703
>>89028737

When is this supposed to be starting anyway?

>>89026109
A few stores should not serve as indicator for the entire industry. At least post official sales figures instead of just hand picked stores that might just be biased.

>>89028605

twitter.com/agentfitz777/status/818569071658762240

>I was just blocked by a bunch of carol danvers stans for calling them rude... it makes no sense.

>Forewarned: these are HARDCORE carol stans. Like to the point of thinking she was right & written correctly in CWII. Not even joking

>>89029055
>official sales figures
now I know you're just trolling

>>89029017
Feb 15

>>89019282
When Marvel cares to own the stores that can't sell their product, we'll see the books change. Right now they're fucking their only market over and acting like it's cool.

>>89029055

>Biased stores

Oh yeah I'm sure these stores want Marvel to fail

>>89019542
>They didn't order what they knew wouldn't sell and Marvel sent them huge orders as "freebies" anyway?
tweet a video of them being burned in a pile

>>89029426
Just like /co/

>>89029465

We're not trying to make a living off this shit though are we?

>>89029465
Never go full retard, anon.

>>89025692
>>89029055
>Marvel intern trying to play it cool and failing

kek

>>89029055
You do realize stores make more money per comic off Marvel than DC? Also if either of the big two crashes so does the industry and there livelihood dumbnuts.

>>89021592
>Could Marvel recover it's image?
Fire Ike, Bendis, Slott and Loeb
Do another crossover book with DC

>>89029465
I want Marvel to fail because I love them, anon

>>89029598
>Also if either of the big two crashes so does the industry
And nothing of value would be lost.
The western comic industry could use a good remodeling, it's become too stagnant.

>>89029659
You do realize a crash would cost people there jobs and put them out on the streets right? It would hit all comic writers, Diamond employees, comic artists, and journalists employeed by the comic websites?

>>89029659
thanks donald

>>89029719
>journalists employeed by the comic websites
you sort of undermined your point there

>>89029719
>Diamond employees
magazine distribution is run by organized crime
t. former employee in the field

>>89029719
OH NO DIAMOND COULD GO OUT OF BUSINESS, WHO WOULD BE THE MONOPOLISTIC DISTRIBUTOR THEN

>>89029719
This is an inevitablity, not a possiblity.

The entire publishing industry is going to shift away from physical print media at some point and one of the industries that will be hit hardest by this are specialty stores like LCS. If they go under instead of shift their business model it's not Marvel or even DC's fault

>>89029719
>journalists
You didn't learn anything from GamerGate, did you?

>>89029772
The CEO would be fine but everyone else won't which means higher unemployment, more competition for jobs they have degrees for an so on. And do you really want Bendis to write tv or have to read a front page article from one of the idiots who do come mic journalism pieces?

>>89029719
It's either let the current industry crash and hopefully allow those affected to survive and have a hand in creating a new comic industry or they can go the way of newspapers and continue to feed off of a dying genre in an already dying medium until they dissolve into nothing.

>>89019642
But his reasoning wasn't that it's 3.99, he specified 3.99 for a slapstick comic which implies he would pay that for other marvel comics

>>89029786
Talking about a gradual shift vs a collapse. If don't prepare then fuck them but collapse caused Marvel's bullshit then yeah, feel bad.

>>89029786

Well that sucks. I really hate reading comics on a screen. If the day comes that there's no longer any physical comics I'd just give up the whole hobby

>>89029822
Bendis can't get a job writing tv, lord knows he's tried

>>89029566
>if someone isn't shitting on Marvel is /Marvel is Terrible General/ thread #20,137 then they work for Marvel

Please. They're in a terrible place creatively for many reasons not even involve "SJW" nonsense but people on /co/ are far too preoccupied with seeing them fail that they take sales figures shat out by Rich "Bleeding Cunt" Johnson as yet another opportunity to circle jerk over the perceived death of a company they hate.

And frankly it's really fucking annoying

>>89029871
Sure thing intern

>>89029871

Most of /co/ doesn't want to see Marvel fall. They want them to get their shit together. But if Marvel is going to double down on all this shit then you can expect people to enjoy watching them fail

$4.99 for fucking Mosaic. Cunts

>>89029068
What the fuck is up with Hal-like characters attracting these types of rabid fans? Carol, Hal, and Rich are all extremely similar in many ways, and their fans are one of them.

>>89025189
You're getting a ton of smaller books thanks to Rebirth sales. DCYou was a clusterfuck because if the main books don't sell then you can't fucking afford "creative" books.
>>89025243
WW is miles better than Finches but still not as good as Azz. At least now it's just boring and mediocre rather than a clusterfuck. Flash is good. GA is good, Supes is good, Deathstroke is good, even fucking Cyborg is good.

And if you don't like that then you've got YA and Wildstorm.

>>89019328
DCYou did a lot to renew my faith in the company. Omega Men's un-cancelation being the biggest saving grace for me.

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>>89018997
I guess the ones that aren't going out of business are.

>>89020328
Wow, it's almost like several years ago when Marvel was pushing for THREE different Deadpool ongoings (Waypool, MwaM/Corps and Team-Up), and when the sales went to shit because the quality was shit, they announced a contest to see which of the side books would get canceled, and then canceled both anyway.
Remember that? It was just a few years ago, in 2011.

>>89031312
>It was just a few years ago, in 2011.
Get out of here, grandpa.

>>89030004
Hal and Rich got mistreated badly, and the companies behind those characters basically gave their fans the finger. Hal's fans definitely took it far
Carol's fans are having everything handed to them right now, and all those ravenous bitches want is more.

>>89031312
>they announced a contest to see which of the side books would get canceled, and then canceled both anyway.

I don't remember that but that's hilarious. However I do remember literally everyone saying that it was ridiculous that there were so many different Deadpool comics coming out at the same time.

>>89029614
You forgot Alonso

>>89032257
>Rich got mistreated badly

I don't know about that. Having a new character replace him for couple of years after a seemingly heroic sacrifice ain't bad.

>>89033320
You'd add Alonso, but leave out Brevort?

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>>89034165
I would imagine that he would die of grief

>>89029659
>The western comic industry
The US comics industry, I'm french and pretty sure if one of the big two crashed it wouldn't affect too much the comic industry here and probably in most Europe.

>>89034165
Breevort is a competent editor. A shit human being but a competent editor.

>>89035248
Nigga pls, he's one of those who almost killed Marvel in the 90s.

>>89029856
>Bendis can't get a job writing tv
good

>>89034165
No, I want Brevoort unable to function in any meaningful capacity that permits communication.

I'm convinced these threads are made by the owner. I pass by BBC frequently and it's empty all the time.
Why are you guys paying attention to this literally who shop? People here buy from sub city and forbidden planet, Big Bang comics is not well known here. It's not even in the city centre, it's too far away from dundrum shopping centre now so people don't see it.
I refuse to believe these threads are anything except self promotion shilling. There is literally no reason to talk about this shop like this.

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>>89035369
Can't we just do something to his voice-box?

There is a simpsons quote for everything

>>89029822
Neither of those people are qualified for those jobs though

>>89021478
You know, it's not that, I think Nova #2 is fine. I kinda like old/crusty Dick. But it's more the principle of the thing. Rich had a good run. New Warriors, Nova, GotG, Annihilation. That scene in Civil War where he doesn't give a fuck about Tony's shit. Good times. And he died. He and Quill died saving the universe, in an epic "will not go quietly into the night" moment that was good for both their characters.

Then Pete came back, and you knew eventually Rich would come back and his death/rebirth would never be explained, it's all just shit like every other character death.

Fuck that shit. I'm not buying Nova BECAUSE they brought my boy Dick Ryder back from the dead just for the sales boost. Fuck that and fuck them.

>>89021541
They earn their Billion dollar box office anon. they dont expect to make that much like some other companies

>>89019293
Stop putting black people and women into every fuckin costume and put them into some "new things". Maybe then we'll try them. Telling me it failed in the past because people "don't try new things" and then just shoe-horning diversity into my old things and calling it "new" doesn't make me want to try new things.

Let me buy straight white male 5 foot 4, 30-40 something visually, wolverine and maybe I'll try their not-wolverine book. Give Thor the hammer and let Whor suck farts in a "what-if" story.

>>89035775
This is exactly the problem. You think more capeshit is what he's talking about instead of experimental fringe books. Fuck off.

>>89030004
I think it's less that the fans are crazies by default and more coincidence that writers treat those types of characters badly often

>>89019490
>>89019666
Normies literally only buy civil war 2 and Black Panther and might read the rest online to act like they know something in the comments of instagram posts.

They don't care that it's 4 or 5 dollars because they don't buy normal comics so they just assume that's the normal price. I'm serious, too, they don't even know they're being taken by Marvel.

>>89032257
>Carol's fans are having everything handed to them right now, and all those ravenous bitches want is more.
More like her new batch of fans didn't want unlikable fascist Carol back and now they're upset

>>89035699
>Dick Ryder
Spotted bendis.

Rich had a good story where he died. Now he's back, and we get to see more of him, if the latest issue was any indication, they might be GOOD stories. You can just not buy it, everybody wins. For a lot of us, it's a light at the end of the tunnel for Marvel.

As long as they didn't bring him back just to kill him off or whatever. Maybe eveyone's still skeptical about that, too.

>>89035278
Also an advocate for the "trolling for (You)s" Marvel policy.
And don't forget sabotaging F4 sales, then blaming cancellation on low sales.

>>89035699
I do agree with you. I think Peter coming back kinda shit on both their deaths.

I hope if the series retains it's quality you do end up getting the trade though, anon. Honestly even a nostalgia or fan cash in written well is better than anything else Marvel has got right now

>>89035431

>>89035862
>You can just not buy it
That's literally what he said he'll do. Why so angry?

>>89018728
this

plus all the cute/sexy female characters are now all covered up now and spread feminist, men hating propaganda

>>89035817
>coincidence
Marvel and DC LOVE mirroring what each one is doing with similar characters. Usually for the worse.

>>89035918
Did I come off as angry? Not my intention. Just saying he gets the option to not buy it, we get more Dick if we want. Marvel getssales for doing something right finally. Everyone wins.

>>89035969
They're not doing something right though.

>>89035924
I dunno, the closest thing they did resembling emerald twilight was Avengers disassembled right? Wanda isn't really a space hero and they happened like a decade apart

>>89036052
I thought Emerald Twilight could match the Dark Phoenix more closely?

>>89018850
>There shit doesn't even go through Diamond's processing system for its monthly sales charts
ftfy

>>89036109
Dark Phoenix was a good story made a classic by a last-minute editorial dictate (Jean must die for what she did to the broccoli heads). Disassembled and Emerald Twilight were last minute rewrites of stories that did significant, long-lasting damage to established heroes (Hal, Wanda).

>selected Marvel variants are on clearance sale to retailers
http://archive.is/DeeuJ

>>89036184
Fair enough.
(I had no idea about those rewrites.)

And to be fair, what they're doing in Nova would probably match Wally's return better. Maybe they saw the positive feedback from that and are testing the waters to see if actually pleasing fans might be less stupid and sell more?

>>89036280
More Blue Beetle than Wally

>>89036326
Does Ted remember dying during DC's age of retardation? Is he superheroing? Legit questions, I didn't know if that comparison would fit.

>>89029055
>Biased stores
They're not making you money. They don't care for Marvel, IDW or DC. When you're not making them money, they're going to drop you.

Guess what?

Marvel isn't making them money in a very specific sense and they're annoyed about it enough to put it on Twitter. Would you rather have them take it back and tell you just how wonderful things are going for them when the comics are going for a loss? People are not buying Marvel's "Big Comics" because they've alienated and shamed their base for the last several years and it's showing with the complaints. How many of these stores have commented positively on just how awesome Marvel have been doing the business for them? None.

People don't want Soapbox Sadies on every page. The novelty wears off after three issues. The only good job they did was with Kamala and how they made her out to be an oddball rookie, but in the last year or so, the writing in regards to character has been, guess what? Dropping in quality, not to mention the amount of traced art.

Have you seen Marvel's Star Wars: Darth Vader? It might as well have been traced from Wikihow.

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>>89036413
One of the stores recently said that kids prefer OLDER Marvel comics.
>mfw there's still hope

>>89019737
>Rebirth is trash
>All-Star Section 8 is a gold mine
>Flintstones is the best book in the last year
>Superman is now Superdad and his Dinosaur Island Story was a brilliant callback to The Losers
>Jonathan Samuel Kent and his Damian gutpunch

The only thing I can see with you calling Rebirth is trash is that you only picked up Batman and Green Lantern, two books that are mediocre at best.

>>89036410
I was thinking more because the Wallys don't spend time together that much or have a book together while the Nova book is more similar in concept to Blue Beetle in regards to legacies interacting.

>>89036459
>Batman and Green Lantern, two books that are mediocre at best
Still butthurt about King, are we?

>>89036471
Gotcha. Makes sense.

>>89036498
I don't know who you're talking about, but I just don't like the books.

I was swindled into thinking Batman was going back into his detective roots and then I pick it up and I didn't get it, so I think it's mediocre. I don't know what direction Green Lantern is going in, but it feels like they're going for a "beat cop" sort of thing and subverting expectation, but it feels so... "unsubtle" and the scale feels very small for a book of Green Lantern's world.

>>89036543
Then stop reading them if you don't like them ah, what the fuck am I saying

>>89021478
It's so weird how angry people were about Sam. Maybe it was too soon? Probably because Sam came out of nowhere with no explanation except"lol, I'm Nova now." I don't know, but I think that is exactly how Legacy's and Mantle passing should happen. Character has a great story arc, a beginning and an end of years of development. Character Dies saving the world, and a close friend replaces them. Sam Wilson would have worked better if Steve had died, like if Sam got the shield at the end of Civil War 1 and they never brought Steve back, we'd probably all be fine with it now. Sam (Nova) works kinda because it's like the GL, a Nova dies, a new Nova is picked. Sam (Nova) just came out of nowhere, so it was jarring.

>>89036575
I... did, though? Went 2 issues with the Caped Crusader and Green Lantern and decided that it wasn't worthy my money anymore.

>>89019737
Fuck off Titans is awesome. Superman and Nightwing are great too.

>>89036600
>like if Sam got the shield at the end of Civil War 1 and they never brought Steve back, we'd probably all be fine with it now
NOPE
There is only one Captain America, and his name is Steve Rogers.

I mean, I guess whoever still were reading the "Captain America" title after all these years would be OK with it, anyway.

>>89029719

>and journalists

You're right, every storm cloud has a silver lining.

>>89036600
Sam also got a lot of hate because he is literally named after Jeph Loeb's dead son, and Loeb has been conducting that form of therapy in comics for a long time now and clearly needs some actual fucking help.

>>89036672
The title probably started together with bendis' GotG, so there was no good will left on readers at this point for that.

>>89036413

I guess thats finally what broke the camel's back for Marvel. Theyve been taking a shit on retailers for decades, but its only when they started shaming their very own readerbase and calling them evil white misogynist shitlords, when even the most obsessed Marvel whales stopped supporting that shitty company.

And the tradeoff was that SJWs from Tumblr were supposed to be the new audience, except Tumblr doesnt actually buy or really even read comics. Its all identity politics and yaoi fanfiction there, nothing else.

>>89036731
Marvel doesn't know how to pander. You pander to the people buying your product. You won't get acclaim, but you'll make the dough. Look at Japan. It churns out waifus because people want waifus.