So Bismuth insists that her wrist mounted pile driver would've

Its literally explained in the episode you fag. The weapon crushes the gems forever.

Total death.

>>88967848
Shattering ensures the gem never comes back, poofing is just playing the probability game.

>>88967899
>>88967886
But would advantage is that over poof'n'bubble?

You shank them through the chest, poof them, and slap your hand on them to permanently seal them from re-emerging

Also keep in mind that this was over 5000 years ago and gem tech was significantly less advanced.

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>>88967848
Because Sugar, nor any of the crew understand tactics, strategy, or warfare in general, expecting it's depiction in their show to make sense is foolish.

>>88967899
Shattered gems leave shards that can be used to bring armies of living armor to life.

Or used in Cluster Fusion experiments

>>88967848
Bitch was crazy, her mind had broken due to the strain of war.

>MAKE WEAPON
>???
>KILL THE DIAMONDS
>???
>FREEDOM FOR THE PROLETARIAT

Its why she sperged out and tried to kill Rose (and later Steven) for simply disagreeing with her.

>>88967886
Yeah but its a shitty weapon for the battlefield, too much windup and precision required.

The normal method of combat is much more effective, the only thing the breaking point is good for is executing already restrained gems.

Also killing Gems doesn't help the rebellion, their only source of new recruits is converted Homeworld Gems.
And Homeworld outnumbers them a million to one, they had no chance at winning in a kill-off.

>>88967848
>Take on an entire gem army with the Breaking Point
>Kill 1 or 2 opponents with it
>Get swarmed because it takes time for the damn thing to work
>They kill you with the Breaking Point
>They now have the Breaking Point
WOOW

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>>88967848
Shattering the diamonds would make the Homeworld hierarchy fall as opposed to poofing.
Shattering would also instill fear in the hearts of other gems and increase respect.

>>88967947
This makes me think the Bismuth cut of gems were never used or seen again

You don't see blacksmiths these days, don't you?

>>88968032
>Take on an entire gem army with the Breaking Point
>ger shot with a laser light cannon

>>88967962
Not exactly, more like Bismuth didn't understand tactics or strategy, all she knew was building things and hitting people.

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"They hit us hard we hit them hard too" vs "nooooo fighting is bad" and pacifism/mercy somehow won

>>88968048
They aren't supposed to be Blacksmiths

They're builders, they build arenas and temples

>>88967938
Some gems could be like Amethyst and reform faster than you can bubble them. Don't run the risk of someone unbubbling them

>>88968060
Seriously the range is absolutely pathetic.
Bismuth has rocks for brains

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>>88968048
Bismuth original work on Homeworld is making building and working with stone to make structures.

She claims that she finaly had the freedom to do whatever he liked because of Rose...and what she LOVED to do was weapons.

>>88968032
>they assume the breaking point is a good weapon because they're dumbass quartzes
>checkmate

>>88967848
Pretty sure it was the philosophy behind the weapon more than anything. It was a weapon designed with the intent to shatter.

>>88967848
You know what's really stupid about the whole bismuth episode.
this bitch gives the crystal gems new gear and shit, but we barely see the gems using any of it, except amethyst only one time

>>88968033
How was she supposed to reach the Diamonds in the first place?

Hell, how was she supposed to reach the Diamond's gem with her shitty emergency hammer? Those bitches are tall. We don't even know how Rose managed to kill the weakest and most inexperienced of them who had the least guards standing between the rebels and her.

Also shattering wouldn't install fear so much as deny the Crystal Gems and further converts to their cause, and lead to the Diamonds nuking them even faster.

>>88968032
>>88968128


I think that it was more of "the principle" and the what using it entails.

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>>88968089
>reform faster than you can bubble them

>Poof a gem
>Gem falls onto ground
>power-stance and cup it
>Bwoop

Less than five seconds of work, breh

Amethyst takes approx a minute to come back

What, do you think the Homeworld Gems were employing Regeneradors or something?

>>88967886
Except that's not even the best way to defeat a gem.

They could have done what happened to lapis themselves, keep the prisoners powering magical items is a much better use than shattering them.

>>88968071
Because in this particular circumstance 'mercy' is actually the more effective tactic. Trying to go toe to toe with homeworld or invade was never a feasible option.

>>88967938
In battle itself it could be tougher to bubble them rather than the skirmishes we typically see.
For instance in the Centipeedle episode Garnet bubbles a gem before it even hits the ground which could imply it recoops very fast. Ontop of that if they have back up their cohorts can just save them and retreat/fight tou back.
Rape spike destroys any chance of that happening however there's also a large factor of plain old spite on her part.

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>>88968158
>Hell, how was she supposed to reach the Diamond's gem with her shitty emergency hammer? Those bitches are tall.


Most likely fusion.


Also, by the way that they talked, Bismuth probably used to fuse with them on battles.

Now Im curious for how it would have looked like.


In terms of power levels, how strong was she? Is she on Garnet level? A little below?

>>88968011
But Pinky was shattered.

>>88968155
Seeing as the upgrdes are individual physical objects its actually kind of a hassle when their weapons are usually generated out of light as needed? Plus I guess they feel bad about using them and being reminded of their schizo former friend that tried to kill Steven

>>88968155
They probably feel conflicted about using Bismuth's weapon upgrades since she turned out to be a violent extremist who tried to kill Steven

>>88968257
Somehow

We aren't likely to get any answers until the next 6 months

>>88967938
Because the act of stopping, bending over to pick up a gem, and then bubbling it would leave you vulnerable in the heat of battle. It might be possible if there are contingents of bubblers in the army running around the battlefield, but I would assume the CG's mainly used guerrilla tactics. Quick hit and run attacks that leave absolutely no opportunity to bubble. Like when we saw Rose and Pearl crash that party of Blue Diamond's. When Pearl poofed the rubies, how was she supposed to bubble them when she and Rose were alone in the heart of BD's court?

>>88968213
True, but still the CGs could have smashed an enemy or two, like Jasper for example, she's just a cancerous sore that should be removed

>>88968223
Bismuth spared with them, looked pretty strong.

Does she even has a weapon, or she just shapeshift her arms?

>>88968334
Jasper was 2 Swole 2 Control, no one but Fusions could take her on.

She survived being fried and having a battleship crash with her in it.

Pretty sure the only reason Peridot managed to poof her was because her body became weaker after she was corrupted.

>>88968128
>they make a shit ton of breaking points but never bother improving it
>they don't bring anything ranged
>they end up shattering each other

>>88967938
Because Bismuth wanted to KILL HOMEWORLD not imprison them. That was kind of the big message, she wasn't trying to save a world, or end a war, she just wanted to kill Homeworld gems.

>>88968299
This. Even a glancing hit from the breaking point would probably at least poof a gem.

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Woolie just loves killing, he doesn't think things through

That lack of conviction is why there's only 3 CGs left.
Bismuth was right.

>>88968527
A fall from a counter top can shatter a gem, the Breaking Point could easily poof and shatter a gem just by being in the general vicinity of it.

>>88968642
It was Bismuth who did not have the conviction to be a Crystal Gem.

>>88968642
Well no, the fact homeworld has magical song WMD's is the reason for that, killing nobles and waving pointy pieces of metal around wouldn't have exactly made a difference.

>>88968527
It could probably poof a gem, but then again there's an array of weapons at the time that could poof a Gem in one go even better or much easier to wield.

Take away the shattering aspect and all that's left is an off-centre brass knuckle

>>88968696
Don't hyperbolize, mate.

Why the actual fuck do the gems have their brains(gems) exposed outside instead of inside of them?

>>88968830
To project shit from them.

>>88968830
Likely because its part of the nature of their gems & projected bodies? They at least need them exposed to use many of their powers.

>>88968071
>>88968642
The problem is that it misses and jeopardizes the entire point of Rose's rebellion. Rose wanted all gems to be free, and apparently its not that hard to convince them. Bismuth just wanted to kill upper class gems out of sheer spite out of sheer spite, not realizing or just not caring that they're victims of the caste system. She would have been killing off half their potential recruits and making the other half (rightly) think the CGs are just a bunch of bloodthirsty nutjobs.

And it wouldn't have even won the war. It would have given them a few bloody battles, and then the diamonds would go "fuck that shit" and corruption bomb them from orbit. Ironically, her plan to kill the diamonds might have saved Pink by scaring her off.

Even if they DID manage to shatter all four diamonds in a surprise attack, just look at the reaction from gems like Jasper. A good chunk of the gem population would absolutely despise them for it and the war would only get worse.

>>88968881
Yes but anon thats their fucking brain, you can just shoot a bullet at that gem they are fucked for life. Even robots have their brains(CPUS) inside of them and not outside.

>>88968830
Ease of access for doing other crazy shit with the gems.
Also, possibly a kind of "Mana charge" deal where they need to be exposed to open air to have their gem "breath" and keep up their form.

Or, if you want to go a bit retarded and /trash/-y,
why do humans have their genitals hanging out instead of tucked inside their body? Cause it feels goooooood.

>>88968897
>Rose wanted all gems to be free,
Rose was a moron, if it were not for her the Crystal Gems would still be alive, its all her fault 99.9% of her comrades are dead.

>>88968946
Are their hologram bodies tougher than their gems?

>>88969011
>open air to have their gem "breath" and keep up their form.
>gem breath
>gem breathe
>breathe
Do you know breathing even is?
>why do humans have their genitals hanging out instead of tucked inside their body? Cause it feels goooooood.
For men its because our sperms need really specific temperatures to actually work.

>>88968946
Their brain, their body, the gem is their true whole. That's how the gems are. Also I don't think it's that easy to hit a relatively small moving target with a bullet that easy.

>>88969021
The CGs were fucked the instant they decided to do an open rebellion and nothing any of them did was going to change the outcome.

>>88967886
Thats not precise.

Its actually a fate worse than death, you leave the shards forever half-mindless and seeking to be whole.

And killing footsoldiers or civillians wouldn't have done much for winning hearts and minds, which is important when your only hope of gaining new members is to recruit those gems.
Also when up against an enemy that is capable of being more ruthless and destructive than you could ever hope to be, mindless escalation is stupid in this scenario.

>>88969185
Yes Rose Quartz is an idiot that ruined the lives of all of her comrades. Pinky was real attached to Earth thus the cluster wouldnt have happened if that stupid bitch didnt kill Pinky.

>>88969188
>Its actually a fate worse than death, you leave the shards forever half-mindless and seeking to be whole.
Thats like saying someone with a split brain is still "someone" no anon its just brain malfunctioning.

>>88969066
Sorry, I had a typo. it happens. I meant "breathe" with quotes.
They don't actually breathe, but it could be a thing where their gems need to be exposed to gather energy or some shit.

Gems clearly have some form of limit to the energy they use to form their light bodies, weapons, use powers, etc. as we've seen that excess shape-shifting can exhaust them.
However, they can clearly hold their normal base forms indefinately without tiring.

This implies that their gems have some kind of constant energy regen that is greater than the cost of their base form, but less than the cost of holding a transformed form.
I was just saying that seeing how that's the case, perhaps having the gem exposed helps them with that regen process.

>>88969259
No, the world would still have been stripmined and turned into an airless Gem Husk like the hologram they saw on the moon base.

The only think Pink did was transplant some humans to a zoo space station.

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>>88967848
>wrist mounted pile driver
Clearly, gem technology is entirely dildo based.

>>88969549
Well they basically fuck planets to death

>>88968032
>the enemy begins using your shitty weapon that got you killed

just as keikaku

>>88968604
well I'd be pretty violent too if my given name was Darlington

>>88969021
99.9% of her comrades aren't dead

they're just insane monsters

>>88969526
Who cares about some apes? Rose and the crystal gems would be still be alive with their jobs.

>>88967848
It's just supposed to show that Bismuth is pro-shattering, leading to the conflict with Steven.

>Gemships move faster than light
Why the fuck don't they just kamikaze the earth?

>>88969695
That's like, the inverse of a terrible black person name, it sounds super fucking white and upper class

>>88969761
>who cares about the species I'm literally a part of?
>or organic life in general?
>or anything that isn't a polymorphic sentient rock?

>>88969862
Anon humans are just dumb animals, of course you gem comrades are objectively more important than them. If Rose wasnt a sick fuck she would have realized what an awful person she really is.

>>88967848
I assume the plan was to mass produce them and outfit and entire army with them

although honestly I think its also the point that this wouldn't have actually changed anything, its like the using of gas in WW1 it didn't actually change anything, it was just another in the list of horrible weapons that were used

You know that I think about it, Gems are pretty easy to poof. All it takes is getting stabbed and they lose their shape.

>>88970000
Anon, those weapons that make them poof are well constructed and designed.
You can't just shank a gem with a kitchen knife

>>88969942
KYS and there would be one less dumb ape anon :^)

>>88970128
Jasper got stabbed by some random metal rob

>>88967848
It's a terror weapon.
Like an explosive sniper bullet.
It kills the enemy very dead, but just dead is plenty already.
What you really want is to scare everyone around the guy who gets it, when suddenly his head splatters across the field and all of you, a second before you even hear the shot.
It does not win you the battle per se but it aims to lower enemy morale.
And it runs counter to Rose's ideals of self-determination and liberation.
A bubbled Gem can join you, a shattered Gem won't. Nor will anyone who saw you do it, because you demonstrated how ruthĺess you are.

>>88970187
She got impaled on a steel beam, yes.
That's not exactly a shiv.

>>88970187
And she was stabbed by a Gem who are shown to be superhuman

>>88970142
Its too late for that anon, all of her comrades are dead because of her. Bismuth didnt give a shit about winning the war she just wanted to make sure her allies didnt die unlike that psychopath Rose allowing that to happen. She was enraged that Rose's nonsense actually caused her allies to die even though she tried to prevent it by creating the Breaking Point to minimize the casualities.

>>88970187
After she was beaten down, corrupted, and probably already on the verge of poofing.

>>88970218
>Nor will anyone who saw you do it, because you demonstrated how ruthĺess you are.
>implying HW gems didnt murder any non HW gem they saw.

>>88968155
Nigger pearl uses her lasers all the time now

>>88967938
The enemy being able to permanently annihilate your immortal race is pretty intimidating.

>>88970540

And they can do that without the breaking point anyway. Poof you, bubble you, send you to their base, torture you, then break you into forever suffering semi-sentient shards.

>>88970288
The CGs biggest (and really, only) advantage is that gems homeworld sends to fight them are one song and dance away from buying into their hippy bullshit. Using the breaking point would have minimized causalities in battles on the ground, but it would've completely screwed their recruitment strategy leaving them vulnerable to attrition tactics, and ground victory becomes irrelevant when the enemy becomes pissed off enough to use orbital weapons.

>the CG's upgraded weapons disappear shortly after this episode

LAME

>>88971042
idk man i'd feel weird about using weapons given to me by someone who tried to kill my adoptive son too

>>88967848

>blacksmith
>turned into a edgy rebel fighter

that's the reason they have gems created for war. They are not edgy shit wannabe warriors like Bismuth.

Just check those chill as fuck Amethyst from the Human Zoo. They are chill, but they will wreck your shit if they enter in war mode.

>>88967962

anon anon

it's a show for kids

>>88970438

She had lasers before. She learned how to do that before Bismuth getting bubbled and present day.

>>88971042
Amethyst kept it. Its how her whip went from doing nothing to almost something.

>>88971140

And the explanation why its far more logical not to use it was given numerous times even in this thread. The only counterarguement is OMG THEY DONT KILL??? ITS SOOOO GHEEEEY LMAO

No sane commander would order her heavily outnumbered guerillas to perma-kill enemies inviting retaliation when all it takes is a song and dance for them to defect and swell your ranks.

>>88967848
Too bad she cannot invent some device that stops Diamonds from turning whole armies into drooling animal shaped retards with a song.

>>88967938
> But would advantage is that over poof'n'bubble?

Better question, what's the advantage of poofing and bubbling. Bubbling means extra work and gathering your enemies in a place where they could possibly be released, not to mention poofing isn't always instant. Steven stabbed Bismuth right through the chest and she still had about a full minute before poofing. You can get a lot of shit done in a minute, take your enemy down with yo, finish entering commands for some ship or weapon, give orders to your troops. Dead on the other hand is ded.

>>88971120
she's an architect turned into an edgy rebel blacksmith

>>88968031
>>MAKE WEAPON
>>???
>>KILL THE DIAMONDS
>>???
>>FREEDOM FOR THE PROLETARIAT
>Its why she sperged out and tried to kill Rose (and later Steven) for simply disagreeing with her.

It was commentary, to anyone whose read up on their commie history would quickly be able to point out.

>>88967962
Don't forget cars. Mother fuckers obviously don't have a clue about driving, having learned everything they know from manga.

>>88968604
and theft, don't forget theft.

>>88971276
>Be stone aged weapons builder
>Get jelly because the bourgeoisie of your race has time/resources to devote to thinking spirals, temples, science and research, ect
>Invent a nigger-gun and think it's going to be Revolutionary in the war
>Your enemy invents fucking BIOWEAPONS and unleashes the Gem equivalent of Mustard Gas/Small-pox on you while you're away
She was outdone before she ever even had a leg in.

>>88971285
Geneva convention I guess, but there is actually a huge advantage.
Poofing is way easier. You can just decapitate them, shoot them, blow off their head, do anything to destroy their physical body. Shattering actually takes a lot of work considering Quarts and Gems are hard as fuck to break compared to flesh. Notice how they pretty much rely on melee instead of guns? It's because Guns against a Rock-being would be practically worthless compared to an axe or hammer.

>>88971285

Yeah, tapping them once is such a huge work. And its not like they had a pocket dimension to store them or anything.

You can interrogate poofed enemies, convert them, use them as bargaining chips and if everything fails you can just re-bubble them forever and you dont have to deal with gem shards howling in pain infesting everything.

And thats not even counting the moral repercussions of using the breaking point on purpose. Its like a human army going out of its way to not take prisoners. No one would surrender to them even in desperate situations but fight to death and cause futher losses. Plus Rose's entire rallying cry was liberating and giving a chance for everyone.

If Steven would went by the Bismuth line of thinking instead of converting Peridot for intel and assitance the Earth would have been destroyed.

>>88969823
Because it was housing the cluster.

>>88967848
>We don't know enough about the war, how it was fought, when, what numbers, what kind of battles there were.
/thread

>>88967848
Bismuth is a goddamn idiot who doesn't know about the diamond nuke. Even if the breaking point would have made a difference (other than the rebels giving up on their morals) the diamonds would have just nuked the Earth sooner.

I mean every single gem in the rebel forces, including Rose and Bismuth herself, used to be a HW gem, an "enemy fighter", and the gems they were fighting on the battlefield were just normal gems who'd never gotten to make a single choice about anything in their lives and were just following orders. Shattering them wouldn't have been very moral. Bismuth claims she "would have taken the fight to the diamonds", but I doubt that, as she doesn't seem to be in favour of keeping chill and going on an undercover mission; she tries to shatter the first gem who opposes her, even if it's Rose.

She's 100% in the wrong because she's a hotheaded traitor who turns on her friend, commander and liberator the moment she doesn't get to do as she pleases.

>>88971285
>Better question, what's the advantage of poofing and bubbling.

Conversion, interrogation, keeping themselves appealing to as many potential recruits as possible.

Rose targeted gems dissatisfied with their designated role in gem society, which was apparently quite a lot of them across all castes. A Bismuth-led CG would only appeal to lower ranked gems, and only those lower ranked gems that had a frothing hatred of the gems above them.

>>88968279
Pearl's upgrade never even made sense to me. When Pearl uses her spear it's always in a slashing motion, wouldn't a trident mess that up?

>>88971724
I mean, look at Holly Blue Agate and the Zoo Quartzes. Sure, Holly Blue is a massive cunt, but none of the Famethyst seem to have that level of hatred for her. Beat her up, poof her, run away sure; but not enough to shatter her.

>>88971231

IT'S A SHOW FOR KEKS

>>88972043

Even Holly dint seem to be that much of a cunt to me. She was just a strict headmistress serving on some backwater station getting the insane honor of 2(two) diamonds visiting(thats like 66.66666% of them!) and tried to beat some discipline into her goofy and rowdy footsoldiers who have seen no action in 5000 years or more. She was also downright friendly with Sapph and other ranking HW gems.

>>88968406
>Pretty sure the only reason Peridot managed to poof her was because her body became weaker after she was corrupted.
Actually it's because Peridot is a double agent/master assassin. She pretends to be inept to dodge suspicions but she could poof any gem in 1 hit.

>>88967848
We know homeworld has ships.
We know they have lasers and rockets on them.
Bismuth idea would lead to an escalation of orbital bombardment as well as armored mecs to protect the soldiers. Nevermind that Bismuth weapon would villainize the rebels and make them lose support likely in troves.

>>88968406
>>88972613
well you also have that whole headache of how mass works and what poofs them seems to be direct penetration most of the time.

>>88972788
>what poofs them seems to be direct penetration most of the time.
We all have Murdercock potential

>>88967848
I respect the effort but let's not pretend anyone on the writing team has an inkling of how wartime strategy works.

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>>88972897
Sucrose used to be an interrogator for captured insurgents. She was really creepy at it because pic

>>88967848
>Alien race capable of intergalactic travel,strip mining planets,time travel
>But projectiles firearms elude them

>>88973010
They already have lasers, why would they need kinetic projectile weaponry?

>>88972737
Era 1 Gemtech was a lot more archaic. It took Gem Colony ships decades to travel from Homeworld to outer colonies before Warp Pads could be built into the network

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>>88973010
We've actually seen at least 6 times that homeworld had laser canons and railguns. Just no firearms.

>>88973132
see
>>88973133
there in a ship that was from the rebellion that still had working laser weapons. It wasn't archaic at all.

>>88973060
Well their lasers can't seem to do much but a projectile could easily shatter a gem from a distance.
>how do you know?
If amethyst falling tits first onto a rock can crack her gem then a bullet moving at several times the speed of sound
>>88973133
And they are apparently weak as shit

>>88973010
Oh yeah, guns are still a major taboo in cartoons aren't they? I actually forgot about that.

>>88973132
Where are you getting any of that because according to Peridot the warp pads predate the rebellion

>>88973060
Their bodies are made of light why would a laser hurt them?
And if light hits their gem all it's going to do is either reflect or refract.
A bullet will shatter a gem

>>88973171
>Well their lasers can't seem to do much
We are told it poofs on contact. Also the creators have stated the shock wands are the same current as the laser guns and shield tech.
>And they are apparently weak as shit
we have never seen anyone get hit by a laser

>>88968127
that's cute, mind telling me the source?

>>88973254
>We are told it poofs on contact.
We are shown otherwise though, remember Pearl fighting the crab corrupt gem?

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>>88973211
>Their bodies are made of light why would a laser hurt them?
same way a light sword poof pearl

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>>88973297
from Rising Tides, Crashing Skies?
For starters that was Pearls staff and that look nothing like laser. We were talking about homeworld tech not weapons Bith made.

>>88973171
>If amethyst falling tits first onto a rock can crack her gem then a bullet moving at several times the speed of sound

I don't think those two are really comparable. The former uses the objects own inertia against it's weight.
You can completely shatter a massive large boulder to pieces by dropping it off a skyscraper.
That same boulder is barely going to scratch if you take a rifle or handgun and start unloading bullets into it.

>>88973010
>projectiles firearms
>Against a race of Crystal-hard golemns
For what purpose?

Homeworld attacked the Earth before guns were invented. Homeworld was on Earth long before Jesus was born. Aliens exists, but Christianity is still the most popular religion.

>>88969549
Can you blame them? An entire species of females can't be composed entirely of lesbos.

>>88973543
They poof pretty easy. Basically if you can force mass in their body they poof.

>>88973298
that's just a regular sword anon

>>88973649
Then a laser would fuck them up even worse considering the speed intensity of heat and mass it travels at.

>>88973205
They had the warp pad technology, but they still had to take large ships, like the one the Centipeedles flew, to new planets before a warp pad was built and a colony established.

The latest bomb established that Era 1 gem tech didn't have the gravity drives that Era 2 ships have, the ancient gem colony ships would have taken decades to get from Homeworld to Earth.

That kind of arms race with orbital bombardments would require either new ships to be sent from Homeworld, which would take decades. Or the colony ships already on Earth to be retrofitted with weapons, which the Crystal Gems could sabotage with guerilla warfare.

Plus Era 1 Gem ships probably don't have the shielding to protect them from Rose's Laser Light Cannon or the Quatrizine Trio.

If homeworld invaded Earth right now they would lose pretty badly because guns.

>>88968946
And it's their alien anatomy. Hell, even steven as a baby showed he didn't like his gem being covered.

>>88973798
Listen I get that this is all in fun but this is the same show that claimed Garnet took out a army of Quarts by herself when she then struggles with just one. The story has no constancy and is made up on the fly. Basic things like Steven and the townies memories and interactions are a mess of issues. It's a fun show but the moment you try to put it together it just becomes an mess. It's not like Invader Zim or even Gravity Falls that tries to follow lore and plot materials.

>>88973543
I'm pretty sure an anti-tank round can shatter a chunk of quartz the size of your fist. And gems are strong enough to be able to handle something that powerful in full auto.

>>88974052
Garnet probably just beat a bunch of Betas

>>88969942
Who says she didn't? In the end she chose to be happy with Greg, then create something new. Greg flat out says Rose didn't talk about her past, we don't know Rose's inner feelings. Only what people who worshipped and loved her saw.

>>88968223
holy shit that first pearl is butch

>>88974052

Cause Jasper is quite possibly is the best quartz soldier ever made AND she did manage to beat her during their rematch. She could absolutely mop the ground with a squad of betas and goofball amethysts.

>>88973942
They would lose on the ground, then win from orbit, or just bring in a Lapis when they realize humans can't function underwater.

>>88974052
Not every quartz turned out perfect like Jasper.

I have only seen a few episodes of this show but I have a question, why don't they just invade earth with a major force of their warriors or soldiers?

>>88974367
Because after the gem empire fucked off they left behind a geo-weapon in the Earth's crust that will blow up the planet. It's taken 5,000 years to peculate, but it's about to go off. Or it was, until Peridot tipped off the Crystal Gems about it and they stopped it. But the gem empire doesn't know this, and still think it's about to go off any day now.

>>88969549
Why am I getting Voltron vibes from BD and YD's ships?

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>>88968604
Oh shit, When bismuth punched Lapis in the back was she aiming for her gem?

>>88974367
Basically, they don't care about earth anymore. They left the cluster in it to blow it up, but earth can't do shit about Homeworld. They only JUST learned the Crystal Gems are still alive, but they still think the cluster is going to destroy the planet any second.

>>88974367
Homeworld dropped a nuke on Earth 6000 years ago, and assumed that it killed all the rebel gems living there (which it did, sans 6 of them).

They also seeded the Earth with an experimental super-weapon, the cluster, and expect the planet to explode any minute, so they don't really care if any rebels did survive.

>>88968459
Killing your enemies hard enough is what ends wars. Look at WWII, for instance. The war was won literally from how hard everyone got killed.

>>88969862
>>88969942
It's the same mentality that allows us humans to keep using paper, even as it causes the extinction of thousands of species in south america. And paper is a fucking luxury when compared to being able to reproduce.

>>88974367
What the others say, but also because Homeworld is severely underestimating the potential threat that the Crystal Gems represent.

Homeworld has only sent small and disposable teams to Earth so far, partly because they don't think the Crystal Gems could even survive and partly because Homeworld is currently undergoing a resource crisis and can't spare the soldiers on an insignificant dirt ball. Modern Peridots aren't made with all of the powers a regular gem has

>>88967848
>how it was fought
It seems like Gems almost exclusively use melee combat. The only gems we have seen use ranged weaponry are Opal and Peridot, and in the later case it wasn't even an innate ability.

The Breaking Point is basically just a way for her to get her rocks off by crushing the elites and their lackeys. It serves no real tactical advantage and it also deprives them of the only means to gain more forces: the recruitment of HW gems.

>>88975301
>not using paper from sustainable forestries

They even have labels for this.

Plus, recall that even a global thermonuclear war couldn't kill the entire biosphere. Pangaea nearly lava-vomiting itself off the map couldn't even do that. But Gem production /could/ and /has/.

The difference in scale is both staggering and terrifying. Mankind doesn't even need to be morally incapable of that - we're PHYSICALLY incapable of it.

>>88974678
Someone told me it might be a FLCL reference, and that seems like it could fit.

>>88975511
We're morally capable but unable to. Life will continue in this planet regardless of humanity's actions. However, humanity consumes without regard and even the most hardcore "green" faggot still does a variety of things that cause the extinction of minor species such as microorganisms, small mammales, bugs, fish and amphibians.

>>88975511
Sorry, should elaborate - it /has/ eliminated entire biospheres on all the worlds they've colonized prior.

>>88975187
That was a war between nations of comparable power, not an insurgency. If the taliban got their hands on some nukes, it wouldn't win their war, it would just get them utterly fucked by all the nations that would suddenly stop holding back.

And that's what happened to Rose's rebellion. When she went from annoyance to actual, existential threat by killing PD the other three all but annihilated the CGs in one shot. Using the breaking point would just cause that to happen sooner.

>>88975669
The worst part is looking at dolphins, corvids, octopi, and chimpanzees, we can't even trust whoever comes after us to not be even worse.

What is wrong with this planet.

>>88975768
We're just too primitive to do it. But, human thought processes are comparable to the gems'. On a smaller scale, humanity will turn a piece of the landscape entirely for their own use with most native fauna and flora being removed from these large plots of land meant for human habitation.

Humanity with a galaxy spanning civilization and much more advanced technology would essentially build Coruscants, with native life outside of persistent pests confined to large parks and zoos.

>>88967848
Amethyst can regenerate super fast, so others like her can probably as well. That would cause a really really long drawn out battle. To prevent it you would have to bubble each enemy slain, and that takes time away from the fight, time you yourself could be poofed/shattered. Because of Rose's non-murder policy, she put her troops in mortal peril.

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>>88975511
>we're PHYSICALLY incapable of it.

>>88976061
Regenerating too fast created unsustainable forms that were probably easier to poof.

>>88976206
even if they were unsustainable, they would probably be able to swing a weapon at least once, and thats all a soldier needs to take out another

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>>88967848
>>88969549
>wrist mounted pile driver
For purely therapeutic uses of course.

>>88976075
>believing the LHC Hellgate meme

>>88976261

Except that when you reform, you become a giant glowing beacon that screams "attack here" at everyone in range. It is not subtle.

>>88976424
okay but the crystal gems were outnumbered. Assuming that Homeworld had 1.5x troops minimum, thats another person that Rose's soldier has to fight. Lets say after poofing the Amethyst and not immediately bubbling them, the other homeworld comes in and distracts the Rose soldier. Thanks to this distraction the previously fallen gem regens enough to backstab the Rose soldier.

>>88976422
the point is
to say "humans are INCAPABLE" of anything is basically stupid

If we can put a man on the moon and create dark matter you can damn sure bet your ass we could destroy this biosphere if we wanted too.

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>>88971140
a franchise for kids

>>88976586

Yeah, and guess what? You're probably not going to get a dead-on shot with the Breaking Point the first time, every time. It's a large, unwieldy slab of metal strapped to your forearm, and your opponent has a fairly small target located somewhere random on their body.

Plus even if you poof them first, you'll STILL be lining up a second shot to tap their gem -which is going to take just as much time as simply bubbling them. Or hitting them with a fucking hammer, for that matter.

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>>88976855
Thats why you shapeshift more arms to hold more Breaking Points

>>88976604
Destroy the biosphere, sure. We'd have to have a LOT more nukes, but we could do it with our current technology, if we dedicated ourselves to it.

What we could not do with our technology is hollow out the goddamn fucking planet like Gems would.

>>88976586
>okay but the crystal gems were outnumbered.
Sez who?

Shattering a gem doesn't even seem to be so difficult, why is this slow thing that takes forever to charge and require your opponent to stand perfectly still the entire time even supposed to be useful?

>>88977134
Nope. There are bacteria immune to radiation. And nuclear weapons don't leave behind a major radiation hazard anyway, they're entirely blast damage. Fukushima did more damage than the entirety of the bikini island tests.

>>88977188
...the crystal gems themselves...?

>>88977120

Well then what's to stop someone else to shapeshift more arms as well, but hold Breaking Point-proof shields in them? HMMMMMM?

Not even just the corruption song. Remember the shooting stars? Those things were apparently the equivalent of a goddamn atomic bomb.

Who's to say Homeworld couldn't just drop one of those while the CGs are busy using breaking points??

>>88968127
Sugar is making /k/omandos seem like lunatics, but normalizing the far right even more so.

>>88977980
your EVEN MORE ARMS HOLDING SHIELD BREAKING WEAPONS

>>88977351
They gotta just give the crystal gems guns. Just have a full arsenal, if it doesn't shatter then get more gun.

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>>88978348

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>>88973942
Humanity just needs the strongest gem of all.

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http://www.strawpoll.me/12057866
http://www.strawpoll.me/12057866
http://www.strawpoll.me/12057866

Just curious

>>88979018
>not voting lion

you know that would be fucking amazing.

>>88973171
Someone calculated Amethysts fall combined with the sharp rock, it was the equivalent of a point blank shotgun blast to the gem. Those things are fucking tough.

>>88968223
What are the first pearls?

>>88967848
They are both a narrative means to an end. It's about Steven learning his mom's a cunt. I think it's bullshit they made a poorly designed, vaguely ethnic character be the fall guy for this lesson. Love that Racism in muh cartoons.

>>88975855

Potential isn't inherently positive or negative. It could go just as far one way as another.

>>88979018

I'd better fucking see Lion as Number 1 or so help me I'll not do anything about it.

>>88969021
She was actually doing well until the diamond decided that her own forces were acceptable losses, and then nuked earth.

>>88979018

>Every human including Steven is at the bottom

As expected,

Besides Greg but he's no ordinary man.

>>88979018
>vote Connie
>stays at 0

Not even the poll wants her to sing.

>>88982599
She already sang and it was one of the best songs in the show (albeit because of Pearl)

>>88979018
>no centipeedle song

SHIT POLL

SHIT

>>88984063
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lVgQ4P8Pv4

>>88979018
Pearl should be always be singing, whenever someone else starts all the characters should ask "why isn't Pearl singing?"

>>88974052
Jasper is a superior Quartz, she is literally perfect.

Regular grunts can't compare

>>88968127
That manethyst is too tall. Midget Amesthyst is the natural order.

>>88973256
Holy shit watch the show

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>>88974251
>AND she did manage to beat her during their rematch
She temporarily paused the fight against Jasper by throwing her into a reactor that powers an entire spaceship. Jasper then stumbles for a moment after leaving the spaceship that just crashed from orbit and then is again ready to fight. If Garnet and her would have been alone the fight would have just gone on, all the while Garnet took more punishment during the fight then Jasper

>>88985024
Jasper lost because of bullshit stage hazards

>>88967848

Choosing a method where your enemy can return, compared to one where they can't.

This isn't fucking rocket science, anon. There are multiple reasons bubbling can fail.

>>88970922
>if you winning strategy is recruiting your fucking enemies then you have already lost the war. Also it doesnt matter how many HWs become traitors because the amount of nontraitors will vastly outnumber them.

>>88971482
>It's because Guns against a Rock-being would be practically worthless compared to an axe or hammer.

its because the show writers made a stylistic choice to make gem warfare a weird mix of 'enhanced' medieval melee combat, magic, and futuristic artillery/air support. Probably because of anime and because the writers just dont like guns that much

>>88979018

Gonna be honest, the only song I can really stand to listen to is "Stronger than You"

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>>88986943
>Choosing between two options
>One where you kill the army grunts so they are dead but your entire moral highround of freedom of the caste, etc. is lost and you are hated
>The other option doesn't force you to specifically hit that one small spot on their body, but only hit their hard light form hard enough. You can store them away indefenitly and potentially turn them to your side because they see that you are not shardthristy retards that just kill people.
>All the while you have no other way of gaining recruits then by deserters of the other side
Gee, it really isn't rocket science, anon

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If you could serve one diamond, who would it be?

I'd choose Blue. Not because waifu shit, she seems a nice balance between compassionate and authoritative

>>88989300
Pink.

I need to know what it is to suffer.

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>>88989374
You will never live in the world of Steven Universe isn't that suffering enough?

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>>88989512

Shit, it'd be impossible for me, I live in Florida and it seems to be underwater...

... oh wait, it's Florida.

This was just taken during hurricane season.

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>>88971231
>>88967962