Now the dust been settled can we dismissed this period as

A FUCKING STICKER

>>88966954
It looks better when in motion but it looks like a toilet seat

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No, and fuck you

>>88966924
Yes, no matter what faggots here say

>>88966924
We are still in the worst period of DC ever. That toilet logo says it all.

>>88966924
Not really, post-Countdown DC was worse.

>>88966984
DC changed the logo

>>88966994
Not even close. The JSA still existed then.

>>88967007
Doesn't somehow eliminate it from existence or make it any less emblematic of the current shitshow.

>>88966984
That isn't the logo anymore.

>>88966978

Rotworld was a big disappointment. Swamp Thing's side of it was pretty good, but Animal Man floundered under it. Shows a lot of Lemire's weaknesses when writing with multiple characters in retrospect.

>>88967023

That was the shitty post-Johns run though.

>>88966924
>dismissed
You bots cannot even into grammar.

>>88966924
2004-2010 was the worse period that DC ever had, the new 52 had some horrible shit but stuff like Dial H and swamp thing were really diamonds on a sea of shit

>>88967335
Nice try, mouseketeer.

>Action Comics
>All-Star Western
>Animal Man
>Aquaman
>Batman
>Batwoman
>Catwoman (DCYou)
>Demon Knights
>Detective Comics (Manabooch)
>Dial H
>Earth 2 (Robinson)
>Flash (Manabooch)
>Grayson
>Green Arrow (Lemire)
>Green Lantern
>I, Vampire
>Justice League
>Justice League 3001
>OMAC
>Omega Men
>Swamp Thing
>Wonder Woman (Azzarello)

All better than a lot of the Rebirth

>>88967080
Rucka had to fuck it up and make this not canon

>>88967397
Are you shitting me ? are you going to tell me that stuff like countdown was good ? or identity crisis for that matter ?

>>88967425
>>Detective Comics (Manabooch)
>>>Flash (Manabooch)
>>>>>Justice League
/co/ was shitting on Justice league 24/7 back when Johns was writing it, Flash and Detective comics had incredible art sure but that was pretty much it

>>88967692
Are you shitting me? So you're telling me that 52, Daytripper, Morrison Batman, Seven Soldiers, Sinestro Corps War or Unknown Soldier weren't amazing?

>>88967737
I think JL was mediocre but my point with that one is that it's a lot better than current JL

I should have clarified

>>88967864
are you me?

>>88967878
Its getting better desu

>>88967425
And there were also other enjoyable books that while may not be better than Rebirth, were still fine, like Justice League Dark, Midnighter, Batgirl, Gotham Academy, Dr. Fate, Batman and Robin, Supergirl, Red Lanterns...
Like Justice League Dark

>>88968124
Ignore the last line

>>88968124
Supergirl was one of the best books to come out of the New 52. It's definitely better than the shit on a page Orlando is churning out currently.

>Muh Superman
>Muh Titans

If you aren't part of any of those 2 fanbases, you have no reason to complain about New 52/DCYou

Personally I found the dark age to be between Final Crisis and Flashpoint.

There's also the infamous Implosion

That logo is objectively better than Rebirth's DC logo too

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>>88966978
Tfw you'll never get a Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Cyborg team up book

>>88967222
Agreed, but I posted more because of the Animal Man and Swamp Thing books that were amazing on their own

>>88968601
Did the Metal chick appear in Cyborg? I remember seeing chatter about it, but never read the rebirth solo

>>88966924
Yes, for fucks sake.

>>88968316
I'm a Flash fan and they retconned my favorite comic book character in existance.

>>88968723
You're included in the Titans fags because of muh wally

>>88967079
Still shitting up my shelf.

>>88966924

My favourite DC is their fantasy/magic/horror stuff. The New 52 was a kind of golden age for that. All that's left of that now in the DCU is Hellblazer and the Young Animal books (not that I'm complaining about those, I read all of them).

>>88968601
>They won't team up to fight Animal Vegetable Mineral man

>>88968723
He already become irrelevant before New 52 thanks to Johns, so there wasn't much difference really.

>>88966924
The 90s were a pretty rough time for them

>>88970589
Late 90's DC was fucking great.

>>88969388
I was reading pretty much every Dark and Edge book they had. I still miss Sword of Sorcery

>>88967425

>All-Star Western

Honestly? It was fucking mediocre. I loved the previous Jonah Hex series and i couldn't believe how mediocre All-Star Western was compared to it. It was like Palmiotti and Grey had lost all gas.

>Batman
>Batwoman
>Catwoman (DCYou)
>Demon Knights
>Detective Comics (Manabooch)
>Flash (Manabooch)
>OMAC

Mediocre as fuck.

>>88970677
Outside of Vertigo and JLA it was fucking shite

>>88968124

>Justice League Dark

That book was horrible from start to finish. I can excuse Milligan aborted run, because it still gave that Vertigo feel, but the rest? JLD was easily DeMatteis worst work in his long career.

>>88970716

>I still miss Sword of Sorcery

Why? The only good story in it was Beowuf.

>>88970716
Sword of Sorcery had all the ingredients to be a great long-running fantasy series. There's so many aspects there that could have been extrapolated out in later storylines. Instead it got poleaxed with a crossover and then just ended.

>>88970750
ASW wasn't up to the level of the prior Hex series, but it was still fun for much of the run (though it got really tiresome with how much time they spent in Gotham). The last few issues were especially strong.

>>88970892

Sword of Sorcery really pales in comparison to Amethyst first series. Christy Max was a bad choice for a writer.

I think that's my biggest problem with a lot of Nu52 comics. They're only good if you don't know much about the characters.

If you read Wagner's Madame Xanadu or Ennis' The Demon, then Demons Knights really holds no weight.
If you read Milligan's Animal Man, then Lemire's Animal Man really feels like a retreat.
And so on.

>>88970968
>reboot a universe to bring in new readers
>pander to new readers specifically
Think that one through, anon

>>88971021

By covering the same grounds but with less effort?

>>88971054
Isn't that what Rebirth is doing too though? Basically just retreading old ground and pandering to nostalgiafags.

>>88971096

Yeah.

>>88971096
It's okay cause they're pandering to me

>>88970477
You're not wrong there, screw Johns.

>>88968760
Wally was only The Flash for 20 years but sure bud.

>>88970763
So did you miss Waid's Flash run or?

>>88971233
Oh right

Waid's Flash, JLA, and Vertigo. Otherwise awful

>>88971373

There were a lot more good comics back then, like Starman.

>>88966924
No, we can't. People got triggered by muh-canon and without a doubt some shitty decisions were made, but N52 had some great runs for characters that had been neglected (Wondy, Aquaman, Dial H, Animal Man, Swamppy). The initial line-up also had a ton of new proposals in terms of genres that were almost completely absent from big 2 books: western, war, horror, thriller, etc.

>>88971373
>>88971419

Legion
Shield era Superman
Hitman
Ve

>>88971855
Too often people think of the end of the N52/DCYou era as representing the whole thing, but for the first few years there was some great stuff there, and DC actually tried some different things. Most of those things didn't sell that well, but they were good to have while they lasted.

>>88971419
And Power of Shazam.

>>88971983
>Most of those things didn't sell that well, but they were good to have while they lasted

This.

However, the New 52 had problems from the start, such as the Perez Superman run, Flash being beautifully designed with great layouts and fantastic art, but ultimately uninspired and uninteresting writing, and way too many meaningless cross-overs (Forever Evil, Doomed) that didn't really do anything but push a big reset button at the end.

>>88970837
>someone else read and enjoyed Beowulf
My African-American

>>88967425
Flash was mediocre at best held up by fantastic art. Try rereading it. It's bad.

>>88968124
Dr Fate was shit. It was held by Sonny Liew's and later McCarthy's art.

>>88970750
The Valentine Catwoman run was definitely not mediocre. It was the best run we've gotten with her since Brubaker.

New 52 Superman gave us the only Superman run worth a shit, in a sea of mediocre Superman runs we've been floating in since decades.

>>88979551
Johns' run was definitely better than Superbro. Especially if you take into account anything outside of Morrison.

>>88979551
New 52 Superman was really good, but it was hard to see Clark get cucked so hard

>>88972801

> Meaningless cross-overs
> Forever Evil

Forever Evil was an event which barely interrupted any mainline books. It only crossed over with Justice League and JLA. It was mostly made up of minis

>>88979654

He never got cucked

>>88979695
Clark was a cucked betamale that Lois walked all over

>>88970763
>Flash
>Doug Moench and Kelley Jones Batman
>LotDK
>Starman
>Hitman
>Spectre
>Ostrander MMH
>Hawkworld
>Doom Patrol
>Batman/Superman adventures
>JLE
>PAD Supergirl
>PAD YJ
But...but...the 90s sucked and we now live in the Golden age of comics.

>>88971896
Shield era Superman was a total shit show.

>>88979789

Clark was never her boyfriend. It was his own fault for listening in on her private conversations with the guy she was seeing like some sort of pervert

>>88979649
Johns is an extremely mediocre writer and his action comics wasn't even his best, so no. I'm only talking about Morrison's run, who was the only writer who knew what to do with Superman without falling into soap opera territory and without getting cucked by editors.

>>88966924
Along with the shit happening in Marvel, this decade of comics is going to be compared to the 90s. C-level comics noobs will call it a shitty era while ignoring all the great, underappreciated runs that came out in the duration. Just look at >>88967425. Even if Anon was only right about half of those books (I think it's slightly more than half, but hey), it would still be a fantastic 5 years of comics.

>>88979947
>>listening in on private conversations
>implying you wouldn't do the same thing
Doesn't change the fact that Clark was beta as fuck. Then again, he did go out with her sister.

>>88980161
>>implying you wouldn't do the same thing

Superman should be better than that

>>88980514
>Superman should be better than that
Yeah put they were trying to make Supes a more flawed character, more human.

>>88969388
>Brother Night is still out there after his epic fucking escape from Bel Reeve
>Then they cancled Zatanna
Go fuck youself, golden age my ass. Ot was almost golden for magic capes but they fucked everything up right before it got damn good in everyone's cases.

What is today, marvel shills on /co/: the day?

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>>88982781
>make fun of a single thing of DC
>marvel shills
I sure hope you enjoy Detective Comics Comics

>>88982819
not an argument

>>88970750

Valentine's Catwoman was certainly not mediocre you pleb.

>>88968316
>Batman's history and supporting cast fucked beyond repair
>Batman himself is given to Snyder
>Booster Gold seemingly disappears until Convergence
>Jaime Reyes and his cast are ruined
>Wally West
No, fuck you

>>88982841
an argument for what? lmao the argument that marvel shills exist?

>>88970968
Ennis' Demon was really mediocre.

>>88967425
>>Flash (Manabooch)

Only a newfag thinks this was a good book

>>88979935
Still miles beyond anything post-Flashpoint that wasn't written by Morrison.

>>88966984
Marvelfag,what happened to your company

>>88980077
Morrison's Action Comics run was unfocused and just another Biblical parallel Superman story. Thematically it was a giant screed against his editors despite Morrison being almost entirely free of editorial control. All the while Morrison himself was Bendis'ing Perez's Superman run to the point that Perez quit the book because he got tired of having scripts rejected over and over again because Grant was unwilling to give anyone a heads up of what characters he was using or plots he was writing.

Morrison's AC was a middling run attached to an amazing backup.

>>88970968
So what?
Milligan wrote Animal Man decades ago, so if Lemire's Animal Man was inferior, that means it was a waste of time and the New 52 was pointless?

It was a great book nonetheless.

>>88986303
>It's better than shit, so it's good
People unironically recommending stuff from shield era, including death of Superman, just goes on to prove how shit the books have been since forever.

>>88986609
>Biblical parallel
That's something you pulled out of your ass, and makes me wonder whether you even read it or not. So it's not worth replying to the rest.

>Bendis
Nice buzzword. Not Morrison's fault that DC wanted to rush both titles at the same time.

Maybe you should read something comfy and more pow wow, like Jurgen's Action comics or Tomasi's Superman.

>>88966924
It's still ongoing as long as the DCEU exists, if only for the brand name damage.

>>88967425
tony daniels on tec was pretty shit.

There was a lot of good stuff about New 52. I liked how releases were grouped together so you had Batweek, Darkweek, Girlweek. I liked that they were putting out books with backups, they were charging too much for them though. Morrisons Action Comics was a high point.

>>88979935
>>88986710
Go fuck yourself m8, you clearly have no argument to make.

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>>88971096
>pandering
the only nostalgiafag stuff is for wally and old superman fans. And it atleast adds to the story and refreshes the character chemistry
(wally in titans makes it more of a mystery with the timeline/Old superman isn't trusted by the Jl)

>>88980078
That list doesn't hold a candle to this one: >>88979872 and there are far more legendary runs yet to be mentioned in the latter.

>>88988118
Nice argument.

>>88967008
Morrison's AC was so fucking good.

>>88988410
You were the one who started the shitflinging, the ball's in your court.

>>88969431
>Animal Vegetable Mineral man
You mean Modern Major General, that dastardly conqueror of worlds?

It feels like the dark age of DC for me because they're constantly rebooting the universe to make it "contemporary" and "with the times"

or was something in the past even worse than that?

>>88986609

Finally someone that recognize that the back-ups written by that dude that do most of the kid books DC publish were better than the Morrison's main stories.

I think the dude's name is Sholly something.

>>88966924
>this period
You mean the past 80 years? Sure.

>>88979695
>Clark is married
>Something happens to the universe
>The woman Clark was married to is fucking some other dude
I don't care if his cucking is the result of cosmic forces or however they handwaved the retcon, he got cucked.

>>88989570
By those same standards Spider-Man is being cucked just as hard. It's worse because he willingly chose the life of a cuck so he could spend more time with his aunt.

>>88967425
Detective Comics, Flash and Earth 2 were all shit and you know it.

>>88968124
Batgirl was awful the whole way through.

>>88966924

>Action comics with Morrison
>Snyder on Batman
>Batman and Robin with Gleason and Tomasi
>Animal Man
>Swamp Thing
>Catwoman
>OMAC
>Green Arrow with Tomasi
>Wonder Woman with Azarello
>Superman Unchained
>Forever Evil / Trinity War
>WTF month, villians covers, movie poter parodie covers, hallloween covers
>more Sandman
>Multiversity.

Fuck off, that era was great if you acutlly read comics

>>88989653
Spider-man really is a cuck though. His first true love fucked his mortal enemy and got knocked up with his babies.

>>88989927
Well he never married Gwen, but yeah, still fucked up.

>>88989098
I wasn't the one who claimed that shield era Superman is remotely as good as Hitman.

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>>88967425
I miss all the fantasy comics DC was putting out.

We had Aquaman, Demon Knights, Forever Evi:l A.R.G.U.S., Swamp Thing, Sword of Sorcery, and Wonder Woman all doing really good things, plus titles like Aquaman and the Others, Batwoman, Earth 2, Justice League, and the non-canon Sensation Comics throwing in more fantasy content.

>>88990599
Neither was I, senpai. And it's triangle era but whatever.

>>88986325

Harras, Didio, and Lee.

>>88990729
Noncape, editorial driven comics is something I wish for so much
I wish national comics had been a success

>>88992883
We're really suffering from a lack of diversity in tone and genre among editorial comics, and it's annoying that we can't get past it.