Does Marvel even know what it is doing, or what it wants?

Nick Spencer doesn't give a shit anymore

>>88964776
He's trolling both sides and enjoying it

>>88964749

It's the sign of a desperation.

>>88964749
Marvel wants the public to like their comics at any cost. The problem is that they have no idea who the public is.

>>88964776
Good. His outputs clearly more fun that way.

>capeshit is shit

news at 11

Their writers are too focused on social media and trying to be relevant to current events instead of actually concentrating on a good story with lasting appeal, it's like current South Park.
The editors don't do jack shit and this is the result.
No order, no quality control, nothing.
At least Moon Knight is good and Nova is solid so far.

>>88964749

The problem isn't just the Multi-culti terrorists, or just the right wing female speaker or Mexifalcon trying to intimidate said woman .

It's that the comic is about any of this shit in the first place.

>>88964749
>Marvel
First of all, you mean Spencer, second of all, he doesn't give a fuck clearly

>>88965096
>you mean Spencer
Whose employer, Marvel, authorized this.

>>88964977
This.

You know what was a good Captain America story? The Syd Shores issue where the Turtle Man causes havoc during Mardi Gras. The Kirby issue where Cap plays baseball. His throwdowns with Schmidt.

Captain America should be focused on telling a good story first and foremost, not addressing social media.

Please stop Marvel intern, I'm not putting the book back on my pull list.

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Who was in the right here, /co/?

>>88965201
He's trying to be Gruenwald 2.0 with his run
It's not working

>>88965122
>implying that cap is a frivolous character who has never been effectively used for political analogy

Are you new?

>>88965186
>mostly women and children

Let's just completely ignore the ones with arrest warrants in their home countries and the pregnant women endangering their child to get an anchor baby.

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>>88965157

>tfw no Marvel books on my pull
>tfw no Marvel books on my pull in the foreseeable future

I actually thought it would bother me but I just haven't cared about their universe since Secret Wars. It was surprisingly easy to give up Marvel

>>88965216
unfortunately you need competent writers for that

>>88965236
That's just a stereotype.

>>88964749
>Does Marvel even know what it is doing,

Pandering to casuals by using popular trends, buzzwords, and relaunching every comic yearly so they are "easier to get into".

>or what it wants?

Yes, gobs of money.

>>88965157
>Buying comics

Sheeeiiittt, I learned not to do that in 8th grade when my country stopped translate One Piece and I found reliable websites online that let me read it instead. Didn't waste another 35 kr. on another volume ever again.

>>88965186

This is why Spencer is a hack. He attaches sensible arguments to something reprehensible so that he doesn't actually have to address the issues he's raising. It's why so many people found themselves agreeing with the fucking Red Skull

>>88965186
Jesus Christ and they expect people to pay money for this garbage?

>>88965275
Saying they are all criminals is a stereotype

acknowledging that a portion of them disproportionate to the general populace are criminals or parasites isn't

>>88965122
I remember Englehart's Cap, Gruenwald's Cap, and other good runs that did address political matters.

>>88964749
The insane asylum is run by the patients.

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>>88965201

>All Republicans are evil

When did politics become a complete joke?

>>88965216
>Adding implications that were not there.
I knew this would happen.

My point is that a good story comes before the politics, and blathering in response to social media rumblings is not the same as effective social commentary. You can make a Cap story that's extremely political or not political ar all, but what matters most is the story at its core. If you undermine or neglect the story to be "real" and "with it" and "make a statement," you're doing it wrong.

When Sam first joined Cap, it wasn't putting the politics first: it was telling an engaging story that was supported by social commentary and socio-political ideas.

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>>88965307
You not enjoying it, gringo?

>>88965340
Conquer and divide. Make everything about us vs. them, instead of making a cohesive and productive society.

>>88965186
Well the Snakes are illegally attacking people, so Falcon can defend these people and claim he was acting in self-defence.

So Falcon is legally right.

>>88965309
>Saying they are all criminals is a stereotype

Saying all illegal immigrants are criminals is a fact because they're breaking the law. I'm glad I live in Australia. All illegals who come here get put into offshore camps

>genuinely hurt by the Hydra Cap fiasco

Oh straight, white, conservative Jesus. Do they still think Marvel is permanently making one of their most iconic and marketable characters a Nazi?

>>88965309
Do you have any facts to back that up, Donnie?

>>88965201
To crash the industry with no survivors.

>>88965362
Defending criminals?

>>88965370
Until the day you be sent to one for piracy, kid.

>>88965358
I'm almost as left wing as they come but this ham-fisted nonsense doesn't appeal to anyone with half a brain. And liberals wonder why Hillary lost...

>>88965309
>Saying they are all criminals is a stereotype

>illegal immigrants

They are by definition.

>>88965379
they're offended by the very idea to begin with.
some of them know it's a gimmick but they still are offended

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>>88965309
>Saying they are all criminals is a stereotype

Wow, it is almost as though you have no idea what the laws are in your own country.

>>88965328
>He said the story comes before politics
>That must mean he thinks the story can't have politics!
I love you, /co/.

>>88965405
Based on what?

>>88965362
Superheroes are vigilantes themselves who """"Attack"""" criminals, based snake bro is no different.

>>88965436
I've been reading on your copyright laws. What a prison you live in.

>>88965370
So who is to blame for you being forever unemployed?

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>>88965452
Do you read your posts before you submit them?

>>88965362
>illegally attacking people
Snake guy is detaining them, he's saying so himself.

>>88965452
But what makes you believe I broke a single one of them?

>>88965477
Not an argument.

>>88965410
>>88965419
Get the context, I'm referring to ones that do shit like murder someone in Puerto Rico then run to america because they will never be shipped back home to face a trial. Of course they are all criminals once they cross over but saying that every illegal was a criminal before crossing is a stereotype.

Fuck it though I'm not even american and I think anyone defending illegal entry of their country should just be exiled to one of those shitholes.

>>88965518
Moving the goal post.

>>88965186
Why leave out the part where it turns out the serpents don't actually give a shit about the border and were kidnapping the illegals for Malus?

>>88964749
>>88964776
Spencer is a huge SJW who has gone on record as saying that he literally thinks all Republicans are evil, so it's satisfying to see people turn on him.

>>88965554
See
>>88965236

>>88965306
>It's why so many people found themselves agreeing with the fucking Red Skull
Those scenes were fun, nuMarvel's competency is at the level where they're radical left but they gave turbohitler more sensible arguments than the heroes.

Not only are they retarded, but they're so retarded they fail even at their own retardition, 10/10

>>88965186
Its a gray area. Falcon should defend them, but assuming those people actually are attempting to cross the boarder illegally (its hard to be sure without context), he should prevent that also.

>>88965569
>Spencer is a huge SJW
He also called Bernie Sanders an NRA hack

>>88965502
>refuses to answer
Pathetic.

>>88965627
Not an argument.

>>88965623
What he should do is stop the crazed gunmen then call ICE to deport them.

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Sure is comics and cartoons in here.

>>88965306
But... isn't that what the red skull does? Use populist arguments to manipulate the masses into doing what he wants and only what he wants?

>>88965448
Well except for the fact that they can't use self-defence in court.

>>88965494
The detention is illegal, so Falcon can legally help them escape.

>>88965649
I can't tell if you're trying to disagree with me because your tone sounds anti but your saying exactly what I said.

>>88965477

Careful mate. With "Arguments" like this people may mistake you for Nick Spencer

>>88965646
Pity, I was wondering who do you blame your permavirginity on.

>>88965627
And how about? How is being a faggot? I can use your retarded rhetoric too with the same effect.

>>88965569
>huge SJW
He's worse
He's a former politician

>>88965684
>>88965696
Spencer also hits a nerve, huh?

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>>88965557
Marvel is real good at showing how bad the people saying the right things are in the next couple of pages just so their readers know that they're the bad guys despite being rationale.

>>88965690
Not an argument friendo. I rather be a permavirgin than an idiot.

>>88965716
No, just your stupidity.

>>88965569
I almost wouldn't believe you, but there were a tweet from him earlier in the thread of him saying exactly that.

>>88965722
>>88965748
>admits he's a permavirgin
>he cannot even blame illegals for that
>even worse, he's Australian
My advice? Get off that prison island and get a life.

>>88965623
>its hard to be sure without contex

It's pretty clear that's what's happening.

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>>88964749
Oh man, the people getting triggered over this are halarious, I mean they are honestly taking this seriously?

>>88965655

Yeah it is. we're discussing a comic.

>>88965708
Where did he run for office and what position? Because it matters where?

>>88965655
What are you talking about? We're very clearly talking about comics, their pubblsiher and writers too. Not our fault Marvel made them so political.

>>88965792
No "we" aren't.

>>88965767
Why should I take advice from someone who projects so much? Maybe you need to get your life sorted first

>You only talking to one person

>>88965677
Most Superheroes can't use self-defense either, with the number of times they attack robbers fleeing from a crime scene.

>>88965816
How aren't we?

>>88965804
>" After another pitch was rejected, this time by Oni Press, Spencer went on to work in politics. He twice ran for the Cincinnati City Council as a candidate of the progressive Charter Party. Spencer also worked for a Democratic politician

>>88965816
Yes (((we))) are.

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>>88965816

>>88965677
How much can a robber fight back against Thor, or even spider-man?

>>88965518
Puerto Rico is US territory, though. They'd be moving legally and still fall under the US jurisdiction.
Now, if you would've said "Honduras" or "Guatemala" you'd be right.

>>88965767

You're talking to at least 3 people. Hilariously the two people you responded to in that post we're not me, the Australian

>>88964749
Spencer is insanely bad at this shit, he cant have any argument with anyone without trying to paint them as cartoony super villains, his arguments on twitter are hilarious due to this, its like some kind of bullied teenager that suddenly found fame so he thinks he can order his pack to attack people that disagree with him online, and when that fails, he just writes them as crazy retards.

His conservative treatment already showed a bit of this but hes going ham on the lefties now.

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>>88965863

>Rejected by Oni Press

No wonder he's so bitter

>DC comics
>it's been months since rebirth and there's barely if any references to politics and elections
>Marvel comics
>it's been a year nonstop of referencing real life and garbage politics in 90% of their books

I guess people just like DC comics now because they form a sense of escapism without resorting to remind people of real life now.

>>88965913
He needs to go back.

>>88965676
Yes, almost like he's some sort of Nazi, a party that rose to power through the same methods.

>>88965677
>The detention is illegal,
But it's not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest_in_the_United_States

>>88965676

I think the point is that Nick Spencer has not changed his ways after his days as a politician.

>>88965853
>>88965872
We're talking about illegals.

>>88965913
>>88965948
>>88965840
Too late, Aussie permavirgin.

>>88965939
They're good at escapism and they're actually decent fucking stories.

DC > MARVEL all day. Hell, Anything > Marvel these days. Even shitty indie comics.

>>88965939
Catwoman had a single election issue with Penguin as Trump. Surprisingly, the Hillary expy is portrayed as evil as well.
Trinity's also getting an issue that seems to be based on the election and the riots that followed

>and this nigga

This person is not black.

>>88965939

The only reference to the elctions from DC (That I'm aware of) is Constantine talking about A meat salesmen circling the white house. I said this would happen though. DC would largely ignore it no matter who won but Marvel would double down

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>>88965939
Marvel is a societal good and should be commended for their constant fight for the marginalized and underrepresented.

>>88965977
>Surprisingly
Not really. They refuse to take sides.

>>88965939
That's funny, because all the Marvel comics I've been following haven't mentioned an election at all. Weird, it's almost like people are getting the information by cherry picking from comics that they don't read or enjoy.

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>>88965939

>>88966027

But if you can cherry pick the images then they are in the comics

>>88966049
Dude, do you even Green Arrow?

>>88966027
Zero sum game. DC does barely to none of this garbage, so inflates what Marvel is doing.

>>88966049

>I'll forgive you for Mansplaining me

When did he do that?

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>>88966049

>>88965782
Don't forget you're on /co/mblr.

>>88966072
>It's okay when Company X does it, but jot when company Y does it.

>>88966049
I'd give a pass to Green Arrow because his entire character is being a bleeding hearted liberal that even annoys the Justice League with his ideology. Also the things he says in this panel isn't bad at all, saying he enjoys the vast variety of diversity including right wings because it makes things interesting rather than "REPUBLICANS SHOULD ALL DIE"

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>>88966093

>>88964799
As someone who's in the middle of the road, I love watching both sides thinking he is working for the other.

>>88966103
It is within Green Arrow's characterization. He was always a bleeding heart liberal. What Marvel is doing is out place.

>>88966049
Green Arrow's a turbo liberal
>>88966087
she's teasing him because Ollie's a huge liberal.
Black Canary once told him "How can you fight the man if you are a man?"
>>88966093
The writer doesn't work at DC anymore

>>88966103
>no, I've never read GA, ever
I knew it.

>>88966093
>>88966122
And this is why DC had to cancel the book.

All I know is they hate jews. Anybody got the page where Carol is insulting Magneto for comparing what she was doing to the holocaust?

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>>88966122

>>88966121

Did he have to say "to many" white Yuppies though

>>88966159
>to

>>88966152
Please continue to cherry pick more.

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>>88966152

>>88966143

Oh yeah I remember that. I'm surprised there wasn't more controversy

>>88966126
You DO understand that the pages from the OP aren't to be taken seriously right? Marvel has been doing stuff like that for ages, especially in Cap comics.

>>88966180
>letting a single sentence ruin a book for you

>>88966159
No. He said 'too many'.

>>88966159
I think it was more of "Too many white YUPPIES," not "Too many WHITE yuppies." Since Green Arrow is basically a commie and has always been.

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>>88966180
>>88966152
>>88966122
>>88966093
>>88966049

>He has all this saved so he can defend his precious Marvel at a moments notice

>>88966180
It's a fantasy/horror book.

>>88966186
So what if they aren't suppose to be taken seriously? It is still out of character. Did Captain America ever fight the SDS?

>>88966194
Hey, man it's a sandwich, doesn't matter there's a little shit in it.

>>88966211
No Anon I think he just has those saved as /pol/-bait on /pol/ and /v/

>>88966178
It's okay cherry picking from Marvel though right? Please, post up the pages from Carnage wherein Eddie was complaining about Trump, or that panel from Moon Knight where Marc has to say sorry for being white. No, just go ahead and keep posting the same 5 pages from Marvel comics, it won't make you look like a hypocritical jackass at all.

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>>88966180
To forgot to include this one.

>>88966227
>Propaganda in Captain America comics is out of place
How many times did he punch out Hitler again?

>>88966182
I still think we should make a huge deal out of it shortly before the movie comes out.

>>88966180
>>88966152

Nobody here was claiming DC only makes comics exclusively staring straight white men, retard

>>88966234
No. So bringing up DC is irrelevant. Marvel is a weekly basis.

>>88964799
I hope he enjoys not getting major company work for the rest of his life too.

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>>88966211

>>88966231
>food analogy
>comparing reading to eating
>>88966234
Not him but I see where you're coming from.
You're tired of seeing a company as a whole be looked down upon because of a few egregiously bad apples when there are indeed good books to be found.

>>88966267
Wow, I never said that. But you can believe that. Once again did Captain America ever fight the SDS because this is the modern day equivalent. Did Captain America ever punch Stalin?

>>88966093
>>88966292
>Posting shit from something that cancelled months ago

>>88966292

It's funny that most of your cherry picking is from one title

>>88966292
whos hiring these deviant art/tumblr ipad drawers (not even gonna call them artists)

>>88966234

>Posting the same 5 pages

Oh you could do a lot more than 5 but it's always the same few DC pics

>>88966234
>missing the point completely

No, continue with your meaningless rant against a non-existent opponent.

>>88965863
Cinci? That's fucking neutral ground. Jesus Christ, was the party he was with radically liberal? Like he didn't get that the county is mostly Blue dogs who can go either way as long you don't piss off the fucking Catholics by going full fedora? Did he think conservatives are evil because of Cinci? Because if yes what a fucking loser.

>>88966292
Wait, she snapped his neck and killed him for touching her arm?

>>88966335
It was more than one issue of Mockingbird that did this. Or did you not even read the series?

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>>88966318
So like what people do all the time with Marvel? Try again, friendo.

>>88966335

They can go after far more than just mocking bird though. You posted half your shit from that one Wonder Woman book that ended months ago

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>>88966234
>5

>>88966297
This. 5 years ago /co/ had the Fuck-Up clock for DC and convinced they were shut because of a handful of bad creative choices, meanwhile most of the casuals who do t even bother to actually read comics shut the board up with company wars threads hidden by thin veils. /co/ used to be better than this damnit.

>>88966335
>>88966178
>Implying cherry pickers in general aren't just shitposters who weren't fans in the first place and are looking for (You)s from people who don't even read comics to begin with
Allegory of the Cave

>>88966234
You can find one page out of every book released every week from Marvel whereas the offending pictures from DC are so rare that it's being reposted nonstop.

>>88964749

Based Spencer makes fun of both sides

>>88966297
>a few egregiously bad apples
Which make other apples rot.

>>88966297
That's what an analogy does, retard.

>>88966411

He did a real bad job because the right wing speaker is the only one acting sensibly

>>88966417
In quality or in recognition?
I could enjoy reading Vision, Carnage, Cage, and Moon Knight and not need to worry about Spencer, Slott, and Bendis.

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Has the new Thor gotten any better?

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>>88966143
>All I know is they hate jews.

Not surprising when your CEO is Ike the Kike.

>>88964749

Is funny because Spencer's Cap stuff is some of the most focused comics that Marvel is putting out

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>>88964749
>Does Marvel even know what it is doing, or what it wants?

I think they do.

>>88966442
That issue was the only time it got that abysmally bad. Odin is still retarded patriarch but they toned down the stupidity in favor of everyone is uneffective against a bunch of dark elves with the power of edge and grit.

>>88966441
4 titles out of how many? 30, 40...?

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>>88966506

>>88966518
And oddly enough, it's the only part of that comic that ever gets posted here.

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>>88966518
>everyone is ineffective against a bunch of dark elves with the power of edge and grit.
>toned down the stupidity

>>88966521

The vast majority of big 2 titles are boring medoricre filler

>>88966593
DC is doing fine, anon. Shit, even those CBR faggots praised The Flintstones.

>>88966521
Sturgeon's law applies in this case

>>88966613
Is that supposed to be an excuse?

>>88966612
To be honest I've been following Rebirth and have just gotten bored with the majority of their titles, I wish that I'd enjoy them more, but I just haven't yet.

Speaking as a disillusioned liberal, this pandering is going to backfire so hard in another 10-15 years. The left loves to eat itself apart with games of one-upmanship.

>>88966521
I wasn't saying Marvel isn't mostly shit.
I was just saying that I could enjoy certain good titles without dealing with the bad ones interfering

>>88966675
>fine! If Marvel sucks, so does DC!

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Remember. It could always be worse.

Marvel and DC could start writing Isekai stories where people get reincarnated into their universes with [Skill Hunter]

>>88966719
It's already starting to backfire.

There's daily infighting and none of the markets pursuing those people have been finding success.

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>>88965186
>we arrived in a minivan, sir

>>88966765
Isn't Gwenpool Isekai?

>>88966755
I guess that's what I said? Umm, sure I suppose, only both Marvel and DC are great, I just haven't been enjoying their current products as much as I'd like to.

>>88966808
>only both Marvel and DC are great
Oh, you capefags are too much.

>>88966765
>fire mage
>with a 2h sword

Now THAT's how you break a stereotype.

>>88964932
>At least Moon Knight is good and Nova is solid so far.

LOL! No.

>>88965186
Viper was so based. I wish we'd seen more action outta the other Serpents though.

>>88966784
Yeah, but I'm expecting even worse by the end of the 2010's.

This shit is why I've given up mainstream comics. I only buy the bargain bin stuff that's from the 70's, 80's, and 90's. It's how I managed to get all of ROM Spaceknight and West Coast Avengers.

Not to mention, the only thing worth seeing for DC is their animated movies now. I have zero faith in live-action. As for Marvel, I'm starting to feel fatigue from the MCU and don't care anymore.

>>88966957
Oh come on, Nova is good in the same way Titans is good, they brought a fan favorite character back from the dead and got him out of purgatory.

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>>88967090
>the only thing worth seeing for DC is their animated movies now

>>88966957
Moon Knight is good. I don't know about the new Nova book, but I like the art I've seen.

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So what you guys are saying is, I should just stick to Valiant?

>>88967740
Aside from Faith of course

>>88964749
No

>>88966287
His future in the industry is probably more dependent on how the Captain Hydra/Secret Empire shit turns out, to be honest family.

>>88965569
>Spencer is a huge SJW
No he isn't. He hates SJWs as much if not more than he hates republicans. Yes, Spencer is a massive liberal, but he also hates millennials and puts a page long rant about millennials in EVERY comic he writes. He also hated Bernie supporters.

Spencer is a DNC shill. Not an SJW.

>>88964749
Marvel hates their fans. ALL of them. What is even more bizarre than their strategy is how they still have fans buying their comics at all.

>>88967974
DNC shills are more like SJWs than you give them credit for.

They're SJWs who also support oligarchy, as opposed to nu-age DNC shills, who are SJWs who support communism.

None of this matters because they're still shitty comics.

>>88968115
DNC shills generally don't care about all the identity politics shit, and if you get rid of the identity politics shit then all SJWs are are a bunch of loud, annoying women screaming at clouds.

>>88968103
I don't. I bootleg them like most of you, with a quiet depressed hope that something good might be started. I bought the run of All New All Different Ghost Rider from the comic shop as one of my picks of "hey, this is worth money, I will support them" efforts. I haven't had many of them.

At this stage it's pretty much a situation of the Marvel staff making comics aimed at people who won't buy them at all. And they're still not buying them.

>>88966612

Yeah Flintstones is great and everyone has already forgotten about the other HB books. That's about the right ratio.

>>88964749
>genuinely hurt
>by a fucking comic

fuck those people

>>88965358
So what happens now that Trump is President?

>>88966122
I always found this really weird, why would someone who knows that the greek gods exist follow a monotheistic religion?

>>88966345
Nick was a total loser who had his car windshield shot at and was eventually evicted.
http://blackcincinnati.blogspot.com/2005/01/nick-spencer-losing-it.html
http://blackcincinnati.blogspot.com/2006/08/nick-spencer-getting-evicted.html

>>88968822
Memes.

>>88964776
>>88964799
He really, really does care. He's a thin-skinned fuckwit and this is his way of pushing back against the ess jay woos who didn't like Hydra Cap.

>>88968822
Well Cap punched Hitler before the Americans entered the war....

>>88965186
Probably the guy who isn't about to gun down unarmed people

>>88966349

>Wait, she snapped his neck

That is her go-to solution for most things.

>>88966287
>Implying they'd fire someone like Spencer over this.

>Implying losing someone as talented as him is a good thing.

He's one of the few good writers at Marvel left. Also, safe spaces /are/ stupid and deserve to be mocked.

>>88970251
Spencer's only good when he's writing scumbag self-inserts without getting political, which doesn't happen too often these days.

>>88964749
marvel is cancer
if you enjoy marvel you enjoy cancer

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>Tumblr keeps shilling that writers should put their political views in comics.

>The second someone has an opinion opposing their own they start screaming for everyone to shut it down.

Perfect.

>>88966521
88

>>88970344
>What is Hydra Cap.

>>88965306
>He attaches sensible arguments

Soooo, you're saying that he treats each side fairly?

>>88965719

wtf, I love Hydra now.

But seriously, they might have wanted to have him not be making excellent points that directly led to over half the populations of two major Western nations choosing to Brexit and elect Trump.

>How to make your heroes completely unlikable in one easy step.

That said, it's easy to see why this happened. Comic artists, being artists and in the past not exactly well treated by the Right, tend to be liberals and feel far more than they think. Of course their avatars, the heroes, will be heavily left.

>>88970435
A hack gimmick aimed at getting outrage sales

>>88964749
because killing some one that has a different opinion than you with a grenade is true political discord

>>88970488
It's not a hack gimmick when it's well written.

>People are still salty about it.

You people, I swear.

>>88970560
That's the villain numbnuts.

>Idiots upset that someone pointed out they're idiots.

BASED
A
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>>88970560
That`s the villain, anon. The hero is the one that trespassed into the stage, interrupted a speech, and loudly demanded to make a statement as if he owned the place.
But it's OK because the speaker was conservative.

>>88970651
>lol Cosmic Cube
isn't well written

>>88970857
Soooo you didn't read it, did you?

>>88970883
I wasn't particularly interested after it was so predictable

>>88965994

I remember seeing multiple pages from this one, and they keep acting like tampons are some hyper taboo subject. There are tampon/pad commercials on tv like every 15 minutes.

I feel like this is more of a fetish thing the author is trying to insert, because I can't see any other reason they'd be so fixated on them. They exist, big whoop, everyone knows what they do, where to get them, what's left to discuss?

>>88964749
>appeal to sjws
>appeal to anti-sjws (which is /co/, not /pol/)
>"this way we can sell lots of comics to all these chucklefucks"

>>88966363

>Sent from my breathtaking trillion dollar underwater spy-movie lair

>>88966345
Cincifag here. Once you get further away from downtown and into the greater metropolitan area, there's a lot of middle/upper class districts that tend to swing the county towards the right. Republicans had a pretty strong showing in November's local elections.

Which sucks, because my buddy was running as the Democratic candidate for county treasurer

>>88965972
And Illegals are featured in comics, comics have always been a soap box for writers to cram their ideals full of.

>>88964749
I really don't get how trigger warnings could help someone. Wouldn't slapping "trigger warning" on something just make someone who can get triggered think about what triggers them causing them to get triggered anyway?

>>88964749
They want to make people mad, this shit made both the SJWs and /pol/ mad so I guess they succeeded.

>>88966049
I thought was a CLASSICAL liberal...? Why is he buying into that globalist, corporation-sponsored identity politics?

>>88970481
>wtf, I love Hydra now.
You didn't read that issue did you? Red Skull is playing some rednecks saying what they want to hear in order to manipulate them.

>>88966180
How can somebody not even be a woman or a man without being also a slimy critter?

The only thing wrong with this page is the trigger warning joke doesn't have a gun involved

>>88970931
Good to know, fuck off back Tumblrella.

>>88970468
No, he just copy pastes the other side's talking points into a Nazi Skull man who is canonically literally worse than Hitler, basically attempting to discredit by association.

It'd be like if I had an issue of meat eaters vs. vegans, except the meat eaters are represented by normal people and the vegans are represented by fucking Mecha-Pol Pot, and then I tried to claim it was evenhanded.

>>88971802
>You didn't read that issue did you?

God no, just that page. Thanks for explaining.

>>88971885
Pol Pot wasn't white. Everybody knows only white men are the evil and sexist ones.

>>88966152
This is okay in context, actually. Barbara was revealing one of her secrets, and the trans said she felt it was reasonable for her to reveal one of her own.

If it helps, Tumblrites assumed that the teaser for "All-Star Batman" #9 was Snyder making a pro-Trump statement.

It's just a picture of Batman taking the place of Lincoln in the Lincoln Memorial with an American flag hanging behind him.

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Has Marvel done anything fun with Trump yet?

>>88971885

Basically, a SJW throwing other SJWs under the bus while denigrating anyone who's not him.

>>88966234
You do realize most of these you posted are reasonable in-context, right?

>>88966302
Stalin was an "ally" in WWII, im sure Cap would have fought Stalin in a different circumstance, depending on the continuity he missed the whole Cold War.

>>88971802
>Red Skull is playing some rednecks saying what they want to hear in order to manipulate them.
He isn't even lying, though. Much like the page where he tries to go Redpill Skull on Steve.

Perhaps there is something wrong with the world when the nazi villain doesn't have to make shit up when he makes his propaganda speech.

>>88966292

his pinky is clipping into the ground

>>88971967
most of their stuff is written in advance so we won't see any reactions to the election for another month or two

>>88972019
Won't happen HA!

>>88971967
>the empire of Trump

I feel like the modern world is delusional to the extreme

>>88964749
Requesting [Unsolicited Opinion of Israel]

>>88972300
Kelly knew

>>88972302

It's how SJWs see themselves, though

They're the Rebel Alliance: the diverse and plucky band of heroes around whom the story revolves. Unlike the mindless, bigotry-driven drones of the Empire, whose lives revolve entirely around evil thoughts and deeds and hatred, they're complex, unique, and though outnumbered and oppressed, will always be victories.

Which I imagine is partly why people have been flipping their shit these last couple months. Turns out being outnumbered and outgunned tends to turn the odds in reality.

>>88965358
yes because nobody ever ever EVER made fun of trump before this year you fucking retard

>>88972460
>>88972302
I mean you have his supporters all yelling day of the rope and heil god emperor trump

>>88965186
Nobody, everybody involved in this travesty including the reader is shamed by their involvement.

>>88972460

How were liberals outnumbered in the last election? Hillary had the most support from every single form of media any candidate ever had.

>>88973438
Because last election was basically New York and California vs the rest of the country.

>>88973008
I don't think all of /pol/ counts as 60 million.

>>88972302
This is nothing new

V for Vendetta was a reaction to Margret Thatcher becoming prime minister.

You fucking people actually pay for this shit. You are to blame for how it turns out. They are catering to you, because you buy it.

>>88966349
She snapped his neck because she hates necks.

Also i think it's just supposed to be a broken hand and him convulsing in pain.

>Spencer makes some cringey SJW villains for shits and giggles
>even includes shitty ideals and buzzwords
>Actual cringey SJWs bitch on twitter about it, complete with buzzwords

These people don't look in mirrors do they?

>>88966049
Are you implying Ollie is wrong here

This shit is why Civil War (1) was absolute garbage.

Dark Reign was way more fun.

I was always more of a casual comic reader since it's like 5th in line to other things I'm into, but these last few years have really cemented to me that I need to let go of Capeshit and read more indy comics.

The only problem with this is that the "liberals are just as oppressive as social conservatives" argument is bullshit. The only reason the argument is made is in the interest of selling something to as many folks as possible to make as much money as possible. It's cynical bullshit.

As for the folks going "cape comics shouldn't be political": you're fucking retarded. The most popular superhero characters have always carried messages about society. Usually socially liberal messages.

This is a non-issue.

>>88965186
I would love to see Supreme Serpent out in the fields picking fruit, getting sprayed by crop dusters, shitting in the fields because the gringos can't afford port-a-potties.

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>>88971953
>implying a trans person has ever been able to hide it ever without heavily intoxicating it's victim

>>88968214
>If you got rid of all the issues then people complaining about those issues are people complaining about nothing
Wow thanks for the deep insight

>>88973438
If you checked the leaked emails, the DNC was influencing the media in exchange for coverage. This is why Bernie was shut out and the news was hanging on every word Trump uttered. They thought he would be easiest to beat, so they gave him millions in free publicity. Kind of backfired on them, but they were so far up their own ass by the end that projecting anything other than a surefire Hillary win would have cost them viewers.

>>88974104
>The only problem with this is that the "liberals are just as oppressive as social conservatives" argument is bullshit.

But it's true?

The left has become Neo-Puritans. Sexual content is wrong unless it's their style. Language is wrong unless it is their type of words and meanings. Certain races are wrong if they aren't the right color.

There is nothing different about them from the Bible thumping right.

All they did was replace "Muh Jesus" with "Muh Privileged". Authortarians come in both Red and Blue flavor, it turns out.

>>88974643

No wonder they're pushing the fascist angle hard with Carol in Civil War II. They actually believe she would be in the right, just like with Tony in Civil War I.

>>88965309
All border-jumpers are criminals by definition, and visa over-stayers are all lawbreakers by definition.

But I get your point about additional crimes.
>>88965501
You're on 4chan, it's pretty safe to assume you've saved a reaction image or two. They're at LEAST in your cache.

>>88968214
>DNC shills generally don't care about all the identity politics shit, and if you get rid of the identity politics shit then all SJWs are are a bunch of loud, annoying women screaming at clouds.
The DNC fuckin RAN on identity politics "It's TIIIIIME for a WOMAN!" to avoid the economic politics of Bernie's crowd

>>88967923
Wasn't the Secret Empire a bunch of losers who wanted to pretend England won the American Revolution and then kept on becoming more and more brutally oppressive?

>>88965186
It probably hurts that Captain Falcon isn't as eloquent as his adversaries.

>>88968822
Dark Reign 2

>>88974534
That's the point. SJWs are all about identity politics, so someone that doesn't give a fuck about identity politics wouldn't be an SJW.

>>88970481
>elect Trump.
He lost the popular vote by 2.9 million.

>>88979664
And?
Though he's wrong. Half the Nation didn't choose either. Half the voterbase didn't even choose any one.

>>88965569
well when republicans plans are to deny civil rights and privatize the shit out of everything which leads to the problems that flint michigan have, plus they love war just so they can support the troops.... yeah, they're courting the definition of "evil", banal as it is.

>>88965626
lol liberals are right of center capitalists fueled by ideology just like any other right winger. of course they'd turn on a dime to fight leftists who support the 2nd amendment

>>88970481
>liberals are the only ones that feel more than they think

please.

>>88979664
>>88979755

Implying any of this matters, as Trump is now going to be the President, because a massive enough percentage of the population is pissed off. Way to miss the forest for the tress. You can't simply write off that much of the voter base as racist and stupid. Well, you can, but it would be silly.

>>88973626
Sanders would've won if the DNC hadn't rigged the primary

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>>88980012
Would you prefer I didn't point out incorrect statements or lies?

>>88980074

I don''t think anyone gives a shit, to be honest. It did come across to me at least as being purposefully obtuse and latching on to the error of the text, rather than the clear argument behind it. It's the equivalent to correcting someones grammar when they are trying to make a point.

>>88980043
I was in the "I don't like Trump, but Hillary DESERVES to lose." camp.

The DNC essentially told democracy to go fuck itself, chose nepotism over the will of their voters, fucked over said voters, and then told them to swallow lest Orange Hitler got them.

The rich of the DNC pretty much made it clear that voting is "just for funsies", and that the elites already decided what was best.

Their arrogance and ignorance cost them. Saddling up next to Identity politics poisoned their ideology further.

Marvel writers are going to have to understand....this is a complex time in politics, and ham-fisting their inability to not be introspective about why their side lost is not winning them readers.

Readers deserve better than this garbage.

That, or it's finally time to leave Capeshit behind, or focus soley on making it for kids again.

>>88980043
I honestly feel bad for him. He deserved the chance to run against Trump. It also sucks that Hillary has a death hold over over the media, so whoever tried to call her out would get made fun of. And she's /still/ seen as a hero of sorts, it's like something out of a sci-fi book.

>>88974643
>sexual content
>"Mooooom! They're complaining about my cheesecake"

>Language
>"Marvel NEVER says faggot in their comics cause of those damned SJWS."

>certain races
With this point you're just REALLY making shit up.


Are you a social conservative doing the false equivalency thing to make yourself feel better about it?

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>This fucking thread

Can you say Ad Hominem?

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>>88980375
I was being specific, not obtuse.

Most Americans didn't vote, and most of the ones who did vote did not vote for Trump.

>>88980484

Ignorance is bliss I suppose

>>88980484
>Are you a social conservative doing the false equivalency thing to make yourself feel better about it?


Technically I'm a liberal, as I believe in freedom of expression for everyone, not just special snowflake gendered people.

The Neo-Left has become Authoritarian compared to the classical liberal.

>>88980567
I'll say.

Face it. The false equivalency is bullshit.

On one hand, you're mad because some minority posted a tweet about representation in comics and on the other hand, the right wishes gays, blacks etc didn't exist.

Not the same fascism at all.

>>88980712
>On one hand, you're mad because some minority posted a tweet about representation in comics and on the other hand, the right wishes gays, blacks etc didn't exist.

And on the other hand, instead of creating "new" interesting characters, you probably think it's better to just shoe-horn in minorities as replacements with the same name to check off diversity quota boxes?

It's like telling minorities they'll never amount to anything unless they take white names.

I can't imagine anything more detrimental to actual diversity.

>>88971727
Green arrow is a wanna be commie.
But his interactions with others make it worth it.

>>88980792

lol

>>88980712

>the right wishes gays, blacks etc didn't exist.

Ah, the "every non-lefty is a misogynist Nazi bigot" meme...

Gunning for an 8 year presidency, are we?

>>88979522
It's misguided to assume all "identity politics" SHOULD be ignored just because of 'SJWs'.

This is the reason America doesn't talk about economy and class anymore, because people decided communists existed and so we shouldn't care about class issues anymore because that's what commies like to talk about.

Stop repeating your fucking mistakes, this is what, the third time in three decades you guys elected some "He's saying what I'm thinking!" celebrity as president out of generational spite? At least Reagan was charming.

>>88980043
I still doubt it since America would never elect a self-avowed socialist but he still didn't deserve what happened to him in the primary.

>>88965362
you can bring in the social contract that if the state is not able to uphold its end of the deal (protect the borders and what have you) the citizens should be allowed to but whatever, thats not the law.

Superheroes are as much vigilantes as any mob out for blood, they're just nicer about it.
This is why superheroes dont work in a realistic context. If its not brought up we wont question it. Now that its brought up he's a hypocrit *and* a vigilante.

>>88981001
>Trump will be president again and...

and you will still be dissatisfied with your life and there will still be women, niggers and etc undesirables smarter and better off than you, assuming he doesn't actually reinstate the Jim Crow era or get us ALL blown up.

>>88981503
you're only validating his point that the left declares everyone that isnt them as some kind of bigot.

>>88964749
Can we just get Comics that are stories and not a platform for bullshit social politics?

>>88981599
this is kinda why I prefer cartoons over comics, they tend to be much more self contained and try less hard to be super contemporary or topical

>>88981503

Still gnawing that bone, I guess.

It doesn't matter much to me, m8. People are gonna be dissatisfied regardless. If it's not a white who's angry blacks exist it'll be a black who's angry Hispanics exist, or Hispanics angry Muslims exist, and so on.

Though the whites who are angry that whites exist are the funniest.

>>88981547
Define "the left".

People that have a problem with people who hate specific groups, amir items?

It's crazy that bigots are so damned sensitive.

>>88981547
He who makes an ally of bigots, something something. Two party system makes everything so fucked.

>>88981503

>the Jim Crow era or get us ALL blown up.

i'm just saying buy some land to make sure you can vote in 2020

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>>88981503
>There will be niggers smarter and better off than you
You jumped the shark

>>88981706
Damn. Should say "amirite?"

Phoneposter doing phoneposter things.

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>>88973706
Wasn't Thatcher considered a good PM?

>>88981828

Yes

>>88981828
Generally no

>>88966124
>hurr durr everyones dumb but me!

>>88981828
No

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>>88980712
>the right wishes gays, blacks etc didn't exist.
>>88981503
>assuming he doesn't actually reinstate the Jim Crow era
You people are drinking too much from the Left Koolaid.

>>88981852
>>88981891
>>88981900
Which one is it, and why?

>>88982005
>MFW leftists legit said there would be death camps after trump

>>88982005

Oh shit, you spoke out against the left.

You're obviously a woman-hating gay-killing KKK Nazi. Check your privilege, bigot.

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>>88964749
>People who were genuinely hurt by the Hydra Cap fiasco

>>88971885
No, he's making Red Skull sound like someone who could actually get a large following.

This whole board has an awful victim complex that sees personal attacks everywhere.

>>88982070

The election was just glorious.

Like holy fuck I didn't know I could get so much enjoyment out of people flipping their shit, but there you go.

>>88982173
>Call other bigots, racists, sexists
>Lol, why do you all have victim complexes? It's not like you're being attacked personally.

>>88982044
If you loved privatization, she was your gal. If you supported unions, then she basically ruined your life.

>>88982203
If by glorious you mean the worse political discourse we've ever had, and one that's continuing right now.

It's nothing but "Ugh gross baka" from one direction and "Cuck cuck cuck" from the other, with both sides holing up in circlejerks.

And it's inescapable. Can't go anywhere where this bullshit hasn't leaked out.

>>88982070
Just like the Right kept perpetuating the FEMA death camp rumors.

>>88982263
>Both sides
Speak for yourself. Us /pol/acks do nothing but surround ourselves with contrary opinions and news. Hell, most of us are converts.

>>88982229
>Call other bigots, racists, sexists
This happens nowhere in that comic. You're the one jumping to guilt by association by saying that everything the Red Skull is associated with is automatically evil. We see him taking advantage of feelings and using them to get people working towards his own ends. The book makes no value judgement on those feelings he's grabbing onto.

>>88981547
and vice versa everybody on the left is a bleeding heart baby killing communist cuck that wants to ruin the country, hates the troops and promotes white genocide

>>88982263

Yeah I threw my hands up and decided to be a middle-of-the-road cock about the time they started advertising political debates that were almost indistinguishable from wrestling commercials.

By the time the election came around I didn't know shit about the candidates but that Trump was supposedly a racist and volatile and Hillary was supposedly slimy and corrupt.

>>88982316

He was quite obviously not talking about the comic.

>>88964749
It''s a clever plot by Bendis

Make sure we outrage everyone.

Outrage everyone?

EVERYONE

>>88982316
I wasn't talking about the comic.

>>88982358
>>88982339
Then you're acting like a Tumblrite in a different shade of paint.

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>>88982390

>>88982390

Pointing out that feeling attacked when one is being attacked is an exclusively Tumblrtard reaction?

Sounds more like mental ineptitude on your part, tbqh

>>88966049
Green Arrow has it's cringe moments but it's the spacing out of his liberal outbursts and the focus on bigger picture than muh political leaning that's the big difference.

I don't see it as the author declaring that he feels this way therefore Oliver should as well, it's just how Oliver would most likely act even if it can seem like a stretch at time.

Case in point, Cap's actions make sense in the context of the story but it just has these loud obnoxious moments from Spencer egging people on.

>>88982263
>discourse
>implying discourse was ever good
>putting muh discourse ahead of the country

>>88979955
You got double dubs. But still, fuck you, sincerely. Fuck you you prejudiced, collectivist bigot who doesn't understand nuance and paints people with broad strokes. Fuck you.

>>88967974
How do you write off half the country as evil without being an SJW? What do you think an SJW is? It's supposed to be someone who thinks their political opposition is Literally Hitler.

>>88981706
>People that have a problem with people who hate specific groups, amir items?

No, leftists are people that have problems with specific groups of people, and get irrationally upset when non-leftists have problems with different groups of people.

Because when somebody else does it, they're a bigot/Nazi/xenophobe, but when they do it, they're progressive/diverse/love trumps hate.

>>88982406
you're only proving him right though