"Illustration from the late 1800s up through the middle

the lithographed look did not do shading or color very well

John K. doesn't understand the art industry as a whole and how the camera, mass production, and the pop art movement completely changed the way art is done and perceived. Same thing with the internet completely changing the ways networks need to do business because merchandising is no longer a reliable option now. Now you gotta rely on nickle-and-dime apps in place of physical figurines. And this isn't even going into the territory of Beavis and Butthead and South Park revolutionizing animation content by showing you can get people's attention with basically no movement at all.

He also fails to realize that good art would be wasted on Family Guy's audience.

But of course he probably just thinks people started getting worse at art cause of magic or cause of lack of effort. And probably doesn't realize that even a person who aspired to make the next Ren and Stimpy would struggle to do so on given budgets. And that the animation industry continues to cut corners by using "its digital" as a reason why. For example, storyboards for 11 minute episodes used to give their boarders 6 weeks time to do them. Now they demand it be done in 4 because "you do it on the computer, so you should be able to do it faster".

But who are we kidding he's a senile old man who made a few good cartoon episodes in his life and started a Kickstarter just to pay for his back surgery.

John K reminds me of Bill Watterson, another guy who romanticizes 1930s-40s comic strips without understanding why it's no longer economically viable to produce stuff like that today.

>>88949577
>In general, American culture was at its highest skill wise in every aspect of human life in the 1940s

Don't you mean the 1980s? :^)

>>88949577
This guy is the original born in le rong generashuner.

>>88949842
Japan will like to have a word with you, they produce stuff like that on a daily bases.
>>88949577
That was a edited quite from Hayao Miyazaki.

>"Illustration from the late 1800s up through the middle of the 20th century was absolutely amazing. In general, American culture was at its highest skill wise in every aspect of human life in the 1940s. It’s all been downhill since then. You just open an old magazine from the 1930s and ’40s and look at the illustrations in it. There’s nobody alive that could touch the way they could draw back then. In old movies, the cinematography is a thousand times better than anything today. Writing, a thousand times better. You buy any book on color theory today and it’s just complete poppycock. Everybody comes out of school painting pink, purple, and green. The whole damn cartoon industry has pink, purple, and green on their mind."

"Those are the colors of Cutie Honey. Most cartoons are those colors. They have been for many years. Until Cagliostro made that change. Cagliostro changed it, Toshihiko Masuda perfected it. And then there’s been some shows that have followed Masuda’s lead, like Tiny Toon Adventures which has absolutely beautiful color."

"If you’re a kid wanting to be a cartoonist today, and you’re looking at The Legend of Korra, you don’t have to aim very high. You can draw Korra when you’re 10 years old. You don’t have to get any better than that to become a professional cartoonist. The standards are extremely low. Same as in illustration. Not very many people can draw who are illustrators today, compared to the early 20th century."

Next time, think before you copy Miyazaki.

Yours truly.
/a/

>>88950159
>>88949577
It's a peculiar phenomenon, but people have a tendency to romanticize the 25-30 years before they were born, partially because we grow up hearing our elders tell stories about that time. For example, Walt Disney (who was born in 1901) had a fascination with the 1890s, especially due to his father having worked on the 1893 Chicago Exposition.

As John K was born in the 1950s, it might not be wholly unexpected for him to romanticize the 1930s-40s.

>>88950337
Japan can only do that because working animation in Japan is a fucking hellhole and it's basically slave labour.

>>88950337
Nice try.

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/old-brew/the-john-kricfalusi-interview-part-2-434.html

>>88950457
No it is not and only the very low key studio are "barely anything", never "slave labor".

You know, anyone who likes Genndy so much can't be all bad.

>>88950505
"404'ed"

Think again, in short, don't steal from Miyazaki.

>>88950337
>And then there’s been some shows that have followed Masuda’s lead, like Tiny Toon Adventures which has absolutely beautiful color.

OH GOD NO, DON'T SUMMON FAMICOM.

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>>88950531
Pay your bills and/or get better internet /a/utist, I can see the interview just fine and on my phone no less.

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>>88949577
>The whole damn cartoon industry has pink, purple, and green on their mind."

Describes Steven Universe to a tee. Fucking tumblr shit.

>>88950640
>Photoshoping a moble screenshot.
You're not fooling me, I seen fakes before.
>>88950631
I'm not, Miyazaki actuality said that.

>>88950529
John K has said favorable things about Dexter and Sam Jack, color and direction wise.

>>88949577

I say this as someone who loves 2D animation and enjoys technical drawing and illustration:
John K is absolutely right about skills being lower today, but this is also the wrong discussion to have.

Technical illustration skills went down because of better photography and printing technology. Being technical doesn't cut it when the camera can do those technical things better than you every time. You have to push in other areas such as design. This is why we have much of modern art too. As much as I despise it, they innovate. They're the ones searching desperately for new ground where the human artist is still relevant.

John K would consign animation to a fate worse than folk art, something that never evolves and serves as a curiosity for tourists.

>>88950690
So you're either retarded or just pretending to be retarded which is functionally the same thing, gotcha.

>>88950700
John only likes the backgrounds and only Jack was brought up.
>>88950713
This was a stolen Miyazaki quote by the way.

>>88949804
>Beavis and Butthead

John K. loves both that and King of the Hill. Apparently he's a huge Mike Judge fan and thinks he's one of the few animators who CAN do storytelling.

>>88950747
>>88950690
>>88950531
>>88950337
See now you're just trying too hard.

>>88950738
No you're the retarded one.
>>88950772
No.

>>88950690
Go off and fantasize about your Rugrats+Hamtaro crossover where they lick whipped cream off Laura Haruna's feet, you fucking...

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>>88950797
It really is him, isn't it?

>>88950797
Wrong place, no threads like that exist here.

>>88950817
Nope, Famicom & TMSGuy are TMS, not Ghibli.

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>>88950826
There, right fucking there. It's him alright.

>>88950369
>but people have a tendency to romanticize the 25-30 years before they were born,

I find nothing good about the mid 60s or the 70s. That must be some American thing.

>>88950844
Doesn't John K hate some TMS related shows though? Seems reason enough for that autist to go off on him, and he's denying his identity in the same fashion as well.

>>88949577
John, man, Windsor McKay is dead and he's not coming back. Let it go.

>>88950852
Nope, this is about Ghibli, not TMS.
>>88950879
But this is a Miyazaki topic and stealing Miyazaki quotes just so that the topic can be shoved on /co/

>>88950910
>Denying it's TMSfag in response to every accusatory post.
Yup.

>>88950681
I think the 80s was the height of purple/pink cartoons.

>>88950930
But this is about Ghibli, he does not do Ghibli.
>>88950932
Again.

>"Those are the colors of Cutie Honey. Most cartoons are those colors. They have been for many years. Until Cagliostro made that change. Cagliostro changed it, Toshihiko Masuda perfected it. And then there’s been some shows that have followed Masuda’s lead, like Tiny Toon Adventures which has absolutely beautiful color."

>>88950930
what drives a person to play this act so thoroughly for so long, most beffuddlingly in an anonymous website of all places

>>88950932
Star Vs is pretty purple and pink too, can't think of much else.

>>88949577
>old stuff was better than now

Classic confirmation bias of the "doesn't bother to think about how old stuff that was crap obviously didn't last until today" style.

>>88950868
Right, that's because you live in some shitty country that was a dictatorship back then.

>>88951013
actually most 'old stuff was better' arguments focus on how there is no new stuff that matches up to the old, which isn't contradicted by what you brought up.

I'd say that it's kinda indisputably true that the 40s theatrical animation stuff is miles ahead, technically and aesthetically, than today's garbage Flash shit on TV. The point of contention should be whether that's because nobody is skilled anymore or if the reason can be found elsewhere

>>88951036
That was back in the 40s (by the 60s Japan's economy was sky rocketing and by the 70s Japan's build quality was the best of the world) and god bless Osamu Tezuka for getting rid of Tojo's dictatorship.

>>88951013
It depends on what you're talking about. I'd say that old 60's H-B stuff that John K praises is pretty cheap looking animation wise and probably on par with Simpsons and Family Guy. But design wise they are better.

>>88951145
He doesn't like any H-B except the early stuff from 1958-62. Everything of theirs after 1965 he finds completely revolting.

>>88951145
No, even 70s HB was better then modern Simpsons & Family Guy.

>>88951185
No, thats after 1969 he hates.

>>88951200
More specifically, he said H-B started to deteriorate after 65 and by the time Scooby Doo (which he hates) appeared, they were a total disaster.

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>>88951229
No he did not, he said they started to deteriorate by 1969 with Scooby Doo, by the 70s it was a total disaster, read this in short.

>>88951304
Please slit your own throat, Famicom.

>>88951379
That was not from Famicom, that picture was used because it talked about John K.

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>>88951386
Sticking that Laura Haruna picture in there gave you away. Sorry.

>>88951406
Dude, loads of people love Laura Haruna, it's not just him

>>88951304
Jesus, whoever did this needs to learn how to fucking format.

>>88951586
It's a jpg, it's formated enough.

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>>88951070
Why not compare actual theatrical shorts to theatrical shorts rather than shoestring budgeted TV? Because in that case, the few shorts Disney still does still match what they did decades ago.

Famicom just needs to find a bridge and thrust himself off of it.

>>88951661
Because thats all CG now of days.

The 80s & 90s efforts were expensive.
>>88951663
He had nothing to do with this is the thing.

>>88949842
>no longer economically viable

kill yourself retard

>>88949577
>look at me, I'm posting crap from John.K's blog so more people can slip and fall into it and reply angrily
long story short, the things from John's blog can be summed up into two categories

1) things he knows and understands
2) complete and utter disdain for the animation industry and how his former colleagues have surpassed him and taught a new generation his tricks.

he sat around making snide remarks about popular works during the time he was producing nothing notable. he's also old and you know how people get when they age. It sucks that things can't be the way they used to be but that's life. I'm a huge fan of R&S but I can't say anything good about him. If it wasn't for everyone else he'd be nowhere.

>>88951610
Format as in organize the fucking images and text.

Friendly reminder that John never got to tap Katie Rice and he never will.

Feels good, man.

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>>88949577
I personally fail to see what's so great about Time Squad's visuals. It's pretty much just the stock 2000s brown and yellow colors.

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>>88951679
The pic I posted was from 2011, dude.

>>88951877
Thats because it's a stolen Miyazaki quote.

>>88952007
I was talking about after 2011.

>>88949577
>Those are the colors of Invader Zim.
I want to be upset, but he's not wrong.

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Poor John K

>>88952011
it couldn't possibly be a miyazaki quote because miyazaki can't think "cagliostro changed everything". he worked on WMT and directed conan before that movie, all of those shows having similar color schemes.

please stop trolling

>>88952032
Cagliostro had more impact on the industry.

>>88952043
not really no. you are thinking about urusei yatsura

cagliostro brings absolutely nothing new to the table.

>>88952056
Nausicaa ass raped it however, Lum actuality enjoyed getting plowed in the end as it no longer was rape but surprise lesbian sex in front of many horny boys.

Cagliostro brought everything new to the table.

>>88952018
>>88951679
>The 80s & 90s efforts were expensive.

>>88949804
>He also fails to realize that good art would be wasted on Family Guy's audience
No shit.

>>88952155
80s cartoons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DXo5haNd9M

90s cartoons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnWwN1z_UM

They were expensive.

>>88952165
Explain why the same market went nuts over Korra & Voltron:LD then.

They do want good art, they just don't want it to be half assed animation on top of the good art which is what Mir does.

>>88952224
>Explain why the same market went nuts over Korra & Voltron:LD then.
When the fuck do 20 year old stoners love Korra or Voltron? Or 14 year olds looking to be edgelords and only watch "mature cartoons"?

Sounds like shit you're pulling out of your ass.

Family Guy appeals only to white trash 13 year olds and 80s nostalgiafags.

>>88949577
so what is this from like a ten year old interview from like the heart of the animation dark age?

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>>88952230
Explain all the topics that Avatar/Korra & Voltron:LD get then.

People do want effort, just not half assed effort, also most of Korra's market was over 13.

>>88952255
Fake edit of a Miyazaki interview.

>>88952263
/co/ fucking hates Family Guy, so your argument is already thrown out the window.

And intended market is 13, doesn't mean they got it. Just like how Disney's demographic is 10 year olds, but doesn't stop people in their 20's from fagging out over Zootopia.

>>88952272
20 year olds what Blu-Ray releases of their old shorts and a restock of the old Disney Treasures DVDs as well (in R1 markets, PAL R2 did get a restock).

>>88952272
>And intended market is 13, doesn't mean they got it. Just like how Disney's demographic is 10 year olds, but doesn't stop people in their 20's from fagging out over Zootopia

Yeah but furries have the mental age of a 10 year old anyway, so...

>>88952344
Again, 20 year olds what Blu-Ray releases of their old shorts and a restock of the old Disney Treasures DVDs as well (in R1 markets, PAL R2 did get a restock).

>>88952342
>>88952364
Having a stroke there, buddy?

>>88952424
No.

>>88949577
>late 1800s
opinion discarded

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>>88952679
Yes modern tumblr style art is better than Mucha, Dore or Repin.

Anyone who gets triggered by this is insecure or inartistic.

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>>88949577
>it's another "Famicom comes and shits the bed again" episode

oh boy whatever fun will we have this time...

>>88949804
Sheldon?

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>>88949577
John K cartoons are not funny, and he is an objectively bad animator. Without a team of people around him for him to ride the coattails of he can never complete anything (see:Cans Without Labels. His only real talent is whining on the internet about how only he "get" animation, and how only old animation is good.

The only people who like John like him because of Ren and Stimpy, a show he was kicked off of because all he did was make other people miserable. And when he had complete control we got Adult Party Cartoon.

He's a fucking joke, which is why he has been banished to academia.

>cinematograpgy in old movies is better meme

It's better in the movies we remember because they were good. Just like today there were piles of dreck across the board of artistic merit

>>88950868
I'm an american and its a well-known fact that the 80's were the apex of civilization. Everyone agrees on this.

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>hates Pocahontas' artstyle a lot
>has two doodles that, while (clearly) showing an Asian woman, still somewhat resemble Pocahontas' to some degree anyways

>>88954053
>not posting the webM

>>88952214
Disney cartoons were intentionally made with theatrical animation styles and produced at a loss. They believed that the higher initial investment would lead to more money in syndication.

Most cartoons were dirt cheap at the time.

>>88953806
>Anyone who gets triggered by this is insecure or inartistic.
Like how John became nowadays?

>>88952025
Those layouts were probably gimped because of being more costly to reproduce.

>>88949577
This pissed me off because when I was ten I read this and thought I would be able to draw the characters from Family Guy and I couldn't so it made me think this guy was a hack.

>>88950509
It is slave labor. Japs willing work themselves into a coma though so its ok.

Westerners, and Americans for sure, aint gonna work like that though.

and the italians never produced another artist like michelangelo again

shit changes