It took a year and some change of being a dirty procrastinator,

I see Carol has finally finished her transition to Carl Danvers.

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Shit, I just realized it's probably a terrible idea to make this thread on a Wednesday.

>>88885055
Trannie Carol?

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Desparate bump

>>88886169
Want me to start posting some Multiversity and bump your thread all day?

>>88885055
Well, what do you want to talk about OP
I liked the last issue and thought it cast an interesting seed into the future for someone to pick up if Morrison himself doesn't come back to bear fruit

>>88887049
Someone partially is picking it up, check out the new Superman comic

>>88887092
I was hoping for someone good.

storytime it

This is the man behind Multiversity and the Hypercrisis.

https://youtu.be/l-cxBuRU09w

I can see why he became a writer. One, he's insane. Two, the written word is the only way anyone can understand that motherfucker because holy shit his Scottish accent is so THICK I'm surprised /co/ didn't make a thread about it yet.

>>88887092
I saw Justice Incarnate. Press F for Captain Carrot
I was more thinking about Ultra himself

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>>88887161
>That absolutely madman scream
Every time

>>88887161
Grant Morrison is Shrek?

>>88887161
About 5 minutes in, he starts talking about how we're like centipedes moving through time. That reminded me of that villain from Dial H, The Centipede. His power literally has him moving through time like a centipede.

>>88887161
~10 minutes in is where he talks about the Invisibles and his experiences with the comic as a hypersigil.

I'm mentioning this shit, because the Ultraa issue of Multiversity was specifically made as a hypersigil. I forgot the exact intent though, I hope someone can tell me otherwise it's going to be one weird google search.

Pax Americana and Ultra were good. The rest is not for me.

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>>88887161
Holy shit, this crazy asshole might actually be right.

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>>88888190
As much as he talks like a good guy, he sure acts like a scheming supervillain to be honest.

Also there's >>88887227 AND he featured as the main villain in the music videos of My Chemical Romance.

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>>88888251
>Chris draws himself as a fatass.

>Ends up becoming a fatass.

Not to mention the time he said he'd rather go through a painful sex change than become a homosexual. Chris might actually be an all powerful wizard.

>>88888251
But he get redemption in the Killjoy comic!

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>>88888558
Stop spooking me, it's not October yet.

>>88888671
But then he made Nameless.

Try and fucking explain Nameless.

>>88888729
I didn't read it but didn't it have pretty Frazier Irving art?

>>88887146
Don't talk shit about Superman.

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>>88888774
Read it and tell me Grant Morrison has moved from his evil ways. I dare you.

>>88888729
The meaning of nameless is everything is shit. Seriously. Its pure spiteful nihilism

>>88888946
It would really fit Morrison's weird fucking behaviour. The guy's fucking Borderline, one moment he preaches about how great and wonderful the world is and the next he starts shitting over everything and everyone.

>>88885055
Are we ever gonna get more?

I mean that was a damn open ending we got there.

>>88888888

It's the Oblivion Machine!

WE'RE IN THE OBLIVION MACHINE!

>>88887152
Someone listen to the 52 poster

>>88889220
Top kek at Bane and CIA

I HAVE ONE MAJOR COMPLAINT ABOUT MULTIVERSITY THAT I WILL NEVER GET OVER.


THEY MADE EARTH PRIME'S NUMBER 33!
33!!!!
OVER A DOZEN EARTHS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PRIME NUMBERS,
AND EARTH PRIME AIN'T ONE OF THEM.
WHAT ABOUT EARTH 47?

>>88888946
I thought it was that Nameless caused all the awful shit by being a reckless action hero type and at the end it's up to his sister to right all his wrongs

That's the explanation in the back matter of the collection

>>88887966
Same except replace Ultra with Thunderworld

>>88889297
ROCK OF AGES
ROCK OF AGES
KEEP ON ROLLIN'
KEEP ON ROLLIN'

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>>88888686
>2008: Chris makes a comic where someone pretending to be a woman deceives him.

>2009: Bluespike, reveals he was pretending to be a girl the entire time.

Holy fuck. In the comic he also mentions having a portal to the Sonichu universe, i-is Chris the secret to the Hypercrisis?

>>88885055
I thought it was a flat retread of FC, and, in fact, I can't keep the two straight in my head.
However, it's cool that people are so excited about it, imo.

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>>88889498
Perhaps the death of CWC is what we need to break the Source Wall and usher in an age of superheroes!

I don't know, I'm just trying to motivate the sociopaths browsing this.

>>88889571
No you fool! We must test it first! He'll know it's true when we finally get him to become a mayor.

>>88889407
Don't be an autist and yes, I know the irony of saying that in the Hypercrisis thread

>>88887380

It's interesting because China Mieville and Morrison have two very different ideas of how the multiverse works. But I thought of that as well. It also shows up in Alan Moore's Providence

>>88885055
I enjoyed it.

>>88887380
>>88890441
Human time centipedes is old hat from Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five book from the 60s.

>>88890497

Thanks, I figured the concept was older than the comics but didn't know where it came from.

>>88890497
Also, if you never cheated at Choose-Your-Own-Adventure books you missed out. It's basically the human time centipede in book form.

>>88890572
You should read Slaughterhouse Five. It's a classic and tons of stuff in media is ripped from it.

>>88889637
Okay, no. That goes too far, you can't do that to a whole city of people! Can you imagine the damage it'd cause in the long run?

No, I say we cut him down now and wait it out.

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>>88887049
Honestly, I don't even know what I want to talk about, there are just so many variables and little details in this series that go as far back as FC and arguably even before that, it just blows my mind how consistent Morrison can be with his continuity, and how meticulously he's pieced together his storyline. Then again I'm a severely biased fangay so take that how you will.

I remember the very first time I read through Final Crisis I fucking hated it, not because it was a bad story but because I was thick-headed and didn't approach it as a meta-narrative type story, but rather your standard NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME cross-over event. It wasn't until I got a little older and read more of Morrison's "hypercrisis" stuff that I really started to grow an appreciation for the event, and now I'm obsessed with (non-hamfisted) existential writing like this. I guess I made this thread because I'm curious what you all took away from this final issue, like what it means for the rest of the series, because I can only imagine everybody has their own individual take on it.

>>88890441
Moore also uses it in his new novel Jerusalem, except there the centipedes look like they're made of glass/jelly and only visible from the higher dimensions.

I'm not all that versed in Morrison's work, do I need to read anything to prep for this or can I just dive right in?

>>88890847
For me, part of the fun is the hamfisted insanity hypercrisis thread come up with

Also it's just a fun story

>>88890909
Not gonna lie, there's a bit of back-reading you gotta do for a lot of this stuff to make sense. 52, Final Crisis and Morrison's Batman run all come to mind, they tie into this pretty heavily.

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>>88885055
>>88890847
What struck you about the last issue in particular? I'm too stupid to get what was going on with the cube but it felt like the usual "chuck 10000000xinfinity superheroes at it" Morrison mode. Sick panelling though.

>>88890973
I think what struck me about the cube in the final issue is just that, it's the fuckin' cube again. Morrison always comes back to this cube, no matter what appearance it takes in the end it's always the same cube.

It all leads back to Nix's rubicks cube, hell, during Batman RIP I remember that the grid of Gotham is also broken into cubes. It just makes me wonder when the significance of the rubicks cube came into play; before its introduction, or after? Morrison plays with the "open door linearity" of time so often you can't help but wonder.

>>88890827
They're a necessary sacrifice and you know it. Also, the many keks we'd have would be amazing.

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>>88891145
Alright, I'll allow it. But only because I'm curious in testing the theory that if we let the most retarded braindead idiots have positions of power like that we'll just end up needing actual superheroes and how the universe reacts to it. Just like in cartoons!

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>>88891141

Can somebody hook me up with a reading order for hypercrisis so I can understand what is going on in the new superman issue?

>>88885100
Kek

>>88891481

Hypercrisis reading is just basically most of Morrison's body of work within the DCU.

Check out the classic Crisis stuff (Flash of Two Worlds for the first instance of the Multiverse being established, Crisis on Infinite Earths for how it gets destroyed), then Animal Man, JLA, DC One Million, 52 (Infinite Crisis is optional), All-Star Superman, the Morrison Bat Epic, Final Crisis, his New 52 Superman run, then Multiversity.

Also read the Superman Convergence two-parter. The actual Convergence event comic is trash.

>>88891347
Yeah, exactly. What is the ultimate significance of the cubes?

>>88891141
In that page the NotMarvel characters are breaking down what the cube is.

It could be described as a Cosmic Cube.

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>>88892058
I have not signed on for the wild ride yet

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>>88892016

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>>88892307

>>88885055
Is this the new Carol thread.

>>88892175
I cant remember the exact qoute, but in Supergods Morrison describes growing up almost down the road from the UK's nuclear weapons, to which he says "The bomb started as an idea. To beat the Bomb you need a stronger idea". Which seemingly drives a lot of his work.

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>>88892336

Does anybody have a rundown of the Gentry? I'm about to reread but I don't really remember what they represent.

>>88892016
Well, its said nature will never create a perfectly straight line.

As a collection of almost perfectly straight lines a cube shows man surpassing nature maybe?

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>>88892367
>>88892345
Yes. I love when Grant talks about the bomb, and what it means, and how to really defeat it.

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>>88892409
And that's that!

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>>88890973
>>88891141
>>88891347
And then THIS happened in the Guidebook issue. The plot tHICKENS

>>88890973
>>88891347
>>88892200
Motherbox idea is sound.

I think its interesting that we are essentially seeing what he is thinking in reverse.
>>88891347
Grids, checkerboard, machine.
Red and black.
>>88892200
the obvious motherbox linked to the cubes/grids etc.
>>88890973
Grids.. cube... the grid lines are DIRECTLY tied to the panel borders. This is not a coincidence.
Like the bleed is not a coincidence.

I'm pretty sure this is all intentional allusions to the physical form of comic books being rectangles, panel borders, etc. Comic character pretty much live in boxes.

>>88892436
S.O.S. Doctor Fate and Super Demon drawings... jesus christ, where does it END?

>>88892016
I think they've been called a Tesseract in an issue once, which I think is an object that's bigger on the inside than it is on the outside. It's sort of a fundamental geometric object that serves as doorways to other dimensions. And as an anon mentioned, Marvel's tesseracts are better known as Cosmic Cubes.

>>88892550
You gotta remember man, Multiversity originally was announced in 2006 as a follow up to 52. Grant had been working on the ideas for the story for a long, long time.

>>88892467
Plus in Pax Americana the machine that forces Captain Atom out the Universe (And into Final Crisis) Has a white 'mesh' element which become panel borders.

>>88892631
Oh believe me, I remember how long I waited for Pax Americana to stop being just a wetdream of an idea.

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>>88892467
>>88892658

>>88892601
A Tesseract is a hypercube.
or a 4d cube.
> If one moves the cube one unit length into the fourth dimension, it generates a 4-dimensional unit hypercube (a unit tesseract).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercube

It would be interesting if that were somehow related to the cubes. but, visually hypercubes have pretty known visual. which is not what is ever shown in regards to the cubes.

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>>88892729

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>>88892658
Whoa whoa wait hold on. What do you mean forced into Final Crisis?

>Tfw they probably won't follow up on the real Darkseid being freed and hiding somewhere out in the multiverse.

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>>88885055

>>88892793
Morrison explained here >>88892758 is where he leaves ("forced" is what the 4 scientists would like to think, really he let it happen) to play his part in Superman Beyond.

>>88892016

Cubes are nasty, aggressive shapes. The Tesseract / Cosmic Cube. The Lament Configuration. The cube from 'Cube'. Heck, Borg Cubes. Even the symbol of the evil gods in 'Final Crisis' was a cube that draws you inside.

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What was it? WHAT WAS IT?

EIGHT EIGHTS! I NEED TO KNOW!

>>88892939
It was a COIE Superman holding Supergirl's body homage with some some baseball team.

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>>88892939
WHAT IS ALGORITHM 8?

>>88892729
>>88892758
The 4 here are actually Morrison, Quietly and 2 other guys who worked on the comic.

And to go slightly off topic, Quietly will be having an exhibition of his work at Kelvingrove Museum in Glasgow. The announcement explained Quietly is a fake name, which I really should have guessed,

>>88892016
My thoughts: In visual art terms, cubes are the ultimate lie. When we draw anything to look like it exists in three dimensions, a cube is usually at the base of that construction. The contents of the drawing will never exist in three dimensions, even though the intent is to make it look real. Comic characters live in this state. They exist only in two dimensions, but they can see three when they expand their minds. In the third dimension, their existence is paced by panels and pages. Morrison's cubes attempt to bridge the gap between dimensions and allow for travel across universes in the second dimension. They are literally constructs made by 2D people to instantly reach other 2D places through the third dimension.

The gridded cubes are referencing the panels of a comic page and their need to have order. You change the panels in a story and you change the events.

>>88893271
I fucking love this series, man, so many possibilities flying around.

>>88893146

Quitely. Not Quietly. Quite frankly amazing you didn't twig that sooner.

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>>88888558
Is Chandler a savant artist?

>>88893146
Oh shit, I would have loved to go because Quitely is my husbando n-no homo
Shame that I live in a third world country

>>88887161
I wish I could believe in all the crazy magic Morrison believes in.

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>>88893146
Someone from /co/ should go. And take pictures. With the man himself. The digits command to do it.

>>88893271
When will Grant Morrison write a comic book that is in the shape of a cube or a tesseract?

ARE YOU LISTENING MORRISON?

THAT'D BE REALLY FREAKING COOL

>>88893499
Not him but I'd been making that mistake for years.

>>88885100
Haha everytime I see that image I think about Carol too.

>>88890847
>>I remember the very first time I read through Final Crisis I fucking hated it, not because it was a bad story but because I was thick-headed and didn't approach it as a meta-narrative type story

I felt the same way. Really didn't dig it on the first go through. Now it's one of my favorites

>>88885270
This was the clearest explanation of fourth dimensional perseption I ever seen.

>>88885055
Transmatter bump

>>88885270
It was. Maybe you should have waited until the next issue of the current Multiversity arc comes out, since we will have more info.

>>88892016
In a final crisis interview he stated that it was to signify the complex thought proccesses and shifts in narratives like the dc universe. Also, the cube is supposed to signify the impossible. There's a minimum amount of moves which you need to solve a cube. When it is done in less, the rules of the former multiverse become obsolete and anything can happen

>>88888251
So what exactly is the deal with Morrison and Gerard Way. Are they friends? And if so how the hell did that happen?

Can someone enjoy Multiversity if they think the hypercrisis is uninteresting bullshit?

>>88900400
Way grew up reading comics, and was going to start writing them before 9/11 happened and his priorities changed, like Tom King.
Morrison was always one of his favorite writers.
Morrison's niece is a big MCR fan, caught wind of that info, and figured that she could get backstage passes if she could get them to meet. I don't know how it happened, but it did, and now they're friends and he's basically Morrison's new protégé, since Mark Millar didn't pan out.

Doom Patrol had always been his dream project, and Umbrella Academy was pretty much DP with the numbers filed off.

>>88900532
Do you like Elseworlds and enjoy Morrison regardless?

>>88900717
>tfw Way is getting fat
Why is he not jumping on that DChad train?

>>88892368
The Gentry simply represent single villain tropes taken to ridiculous extremes. The femme fatale, the ultimate schemer/plotter, the 'horde of nameless gunfodder' etc.

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>>88891481
This was the official hypercrisis reading list. It's a bit old from when people thought certain things would be more important. Use your judgement, but the pre-52 stuff is mostly solid.

>>88892939
It was an /sp/ get claim.

>>88898110
One time during an LSD trip I ended up watching loads of stuff on physics; particularly black holes and the relativity theory.

I ended up coming to this same concept; that time is relative to us (linear), but in reality everything has already happened and every moment is just a snapshot in time moving neither forwards nor backwards in time. We only perceive time because thats how we feel in that snapshot but from an outside perspective it's just one object that has neither a beginning or an end; just different phases.


Blew my mind; nice to see it come up here.

The Just was the weakest issue imo

>>88890936

You don't need to read FC, just the Superman side-story from it, which was the best part anyway.

>>88894076
Smoke DMT and you will.

>>88892367
>The Fifth World of Darseid
Holy shit, I wonder if this has anything to do with Aztec Creation Myth.
There were 4 worlds preceding our own according to the Aztecs:
The first sun - Jaguar Sun (Nahui Ocelotl)
The second sun - Wind Sun (Nahui Ehecatl)
The third sun - Rain Sun (Nahui Quiahuitl)
The fourth sun - Water Sun (Nahui Atl)
The fifth sun - Earthquake Sun (Nanahuatzin)

Everything Morrison does reads like a man masturbating in front of a mirror.

>>88905350
Disagree. The one with art by Sprouse was.

>>88892852
The real darkseid is everywhere. In all universes, always ready to wreck havok. The one in new earth was neutralized and turned into a baby, but the other manifestations are free.

>>88892877
Did he confirm it? I know it was a prevalent theory, I actually believed on it, but I'd be glad if you could link me to a source.