Hey, guys. Real talk. Why do you hate this Joker? To me he was

Awfully written with absolutely atrocious dialogue, no real reason to be in the movie other than marketing purposes (tell me, what is his main purpose in the story aside from speeding out about Harley?) and embarrassing overacting from Jared Leto (his laugh is awful as well).

>>88852240
He's not Heath Ledger and normies love Heath!
Literally the ONLY fucking reason

He wasn't anymore threatening than your average gun and knife and explosive and henchmen toting goober
He had zero charisma

I appreciate bringing Joker back to his gangster roots, but I was hoping for something a bit less flaccid. The only thing I can say kind about this portrayal is it's not as bad as DCU Movie universe Lex. Or DC Movie U Superman, for that matter.

>>88852316
his point in the movie was to basically be the temptation pulling Harley away from the team, due to Harley more or less having the central arc in the story of her learning to find family in the squad


And ironically its all undone at the end when Joker breaks her out.

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>>88852240
Because he wasn't as good as pic related would've been in the role.

>>88852240
People who don't like him never read Morrison Batman. He was a fine Joker. The movie had other, bigger problems.


Also people hate the DCEU with a passion because company wars are back, but this time the normies are involved due to movies.

>>88852240
I thought people were just having giggles at him because they hate the DCEU, but then I saw him "acting" and it was disgustingly awkward and I would say it made me cringe, but the word is overused to I won't. I totally did though.

>>88852426
>I don't read comics, the post.

I feel like they tried way to hard to make him an edgy dumbass with scenes like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdkD-6VGEYw

>>88852476
>being disgusted by the Joker is a bad thing now

normies leave

>>88852488
It's one thing to be disgusted by a character's actions, another to be disgusted by how bad an actor's portrayal of that character is. Fucking nitwit.

>>88852464
Morrison Joker was smart and slightly spooky, though

This guy's just a juggalo gangster. Granted, all we have to base that on is his appearences in Suicide Squad, but he didn't give any impression other than that.

Because he wasn't funny.
He had the edge, but didn't make me laugh.

>>88852486
Joker's whole character is being overly edgy though

>>88852486
idk that seems like a pretty spot on Joker

>>88852509
it seemed right in line with Morrison Joker when he had Harley jump into the vat for him or when he was toying with Common before shooting him.

>>88852512
Is Joker even supposed to be funny?

>>88852426
Gangster roots? What, you think the Joker's roots are in the Tim Burton Batman movie? Last I checked he was just a gimmicky serial killer in his first appearance.

>>88852559
He does have lots of good moments.

>>88852517
watch almost any animated version of the character and you'll see that's not true

>>88852559
Occasionally.
Even Leger had that line about Maggie Gyllenhall being beautiful. Started cracking up in the middle of the theater after that one.

>>88852240
>Not Muh Joker

Honestly, he was great. It's pretty different from the traditional Joker, so of course it provokes blind hatred.

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Basically, Joker, like Batman, has been redefined so many times, that there is no definitive version of him. Most people have their own "MUH Joker" version in their heads which they compare every new iteration to. The success or failure depends mostly on how close they turn out to be.

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>>88852240
Honestly, as presented, it struck me more as lazy than anything else. There's so much joker stuff out there, and it feels to me like we were left to fill in the blanks on his performance. I don't know if that was a function of scripting or editing or the actor, but it honestly felt to me like the only reason the joker was there was because quinn was, and they could have subbed him for any other crime boss otherwise.

>>88852578
>>88852677
Eh, I think, Joker should never be intentionally funny. Like, sometimes he'd say or do something hilarious, but he never intends it to be that way. And every time he tries to make people laugh on purpose, he fails miserably.

>>88852961
But he's very often intentionally funny and it works great.
Look at the Killing Joke for example. Those jokes he's making after shooting Barbra? They were funny. It was horrible, but it was funny.

Because he's a bland, uninteresting 8-year-old child's interpretation of what "scary bad guy" means.

>>88852462
That joker was edgy as fuck.

>>88852240
Real talk? okay.

He's ok to me. i love his modern gangster joker. also liked the suit and his slim body. i just don't like the tattoo on his forehead and the grills and his cringy lines but that's not his fault.

he's got a lot of hate more than he deserves. dc fanboys are the whiniest fanboys on earth.

if he's got a good script next time, maybe i'll like him more than heath.

>>88852588
He raped batgirl for shits and giggles.

>he was threatening

The Joker being threatening is bollocks.
I can think of at least 10 villagers from my hometown that would smoke him with their hunting rifle for going HONKA HONKA around them.

>>88855241
Good thing edgy is a perfectly legitimate option for a Joker

>>88852240
I don't hate him

In fact, he's my second favorite live-action Joker after Jack

>>88852446
like in the actual comics

EVERY
SINGLE
TIME

>>88852961
>Eh, I think, Joker should never be intentionally funny.

You need to read more Joker comics. He gets fucking pissed when his jokes don't get a laugh.

BEEEEEEEEF

He was just grating to listen to

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>>88852240
having no eyebrows weakened his ability to emote

having nonwhite teeth weakened his smile

>>88852464
Morrison's Joker was absolutely the weakest part of his run though.

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I found him more annoying than threatening or funny,I'm sure his interpretation fits for some people but I didn't enjoy any of his scenes and his design really bugged me

>>88852881
>they could have subbed him for any other crime boss otherwise.

This. Any threatening, erratic, and violent dude with a gold chain and grill would have gotten the job done.

For me personally, whole movie was painfully edgy and tryhard. I mean, what other reason would they have for scribbling 'Damaged' and 'HA HA HA' all over the Joker other than to appeal to people who think neck tattoos are the epitome of badassery.

To be honest, edge to me is the wrong way to go with the Joker. Joker should be the least threatening dude out there. He should be sort of Silver Age goofy and zany and more than a bit pathetic, so that when he does something gruesome, it catches you by surprise. Joker's terror should lie in that disconnect between how he looks and acts and what he does, just like Batman looks and acts as threatening and scary as possible, but is actually a really nice guy underneath.

If you telegraph straight away that the Joker is a fucking psycho, then I don't really care anymore. He's just another psycho.

>>88852881

The movie was more about Quinn than it was about Joker because it's a Suicide Squad flick, dummy. He was a celebrity guest star and not the main event, he was there largely for Harley's backstory.

What is with /co/ and calling shitty villain "threatening" when they're not threatening in the slightest?

>>88856624
Well, yeah, sure. And there's a huge trope/cliche, that Joker's goons and partners have to fake laughter, because they know, that he will stab them with a screwdriver in the thigh if they won't laugh. He doesnt have to be actually funny, he just has to believe that he is.

>>88852240
I grew out of my hot topic, boring overall. It feels like they went with the most marketable idea instead of actual character.

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You guys make it sound like he's pretty much Tuco Salamanka.

>>88856888

Because what Joker thinks is funny isn't what you find funny personally. Everything from the smiling teeth tattoo on his palm to DAMAGED is shit he thinks is funny, usually due to it mocking Batman.

>>88857036
TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT

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>>88857055
But a good joker can be funny to the reader and horrifying to the in universe characters too.Him not being funny to anyone but himself seems to be a Scott Snyder interpretation and it's not that great honestly

>>88857150

The tattoo are funny though to the audience if you bother to think about it. He even had a Robin tattoo on his chest, IIRC, which is hilarious when you remember Robin is dead in DCEU.

>>88852240

It's more that I hate Batman due to his "thou shall not kill even if the lives of millions depends on it because then I'm worse than him" bullshit. At least Superman isn't afraid to take desparate measures when dealing with really dangerous foes like Zod, Doomsday, and Darkseid.

Along with Bob Kane being an utter prick who stole the idea from Bill Finger.

Eh he was ok.

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I don't see what's funny about the tattoos,the robin one is kinda twisted but damaged,the J and the playing card don't feel like there meant to be funny or clever just too on the nose

>>88852240
i didnt hate him, i hated his look though

>>88855262
No, he molested Batgirl

>>88852240
>The only real problem I have with him is the forehead tattoo.
That and the script.
Leto's acting was fine. Even on point, for what the character was given in the script. Take the forehead tat off and hand the man some decent lines. Then we'll see a joker.

>>88852589
There was also the scene after he meets the mobsters they threaten him but then he pulls out grenades and say "ah ah, you wouldn't want to blow this out of proportion now" which I thought was pretty funny.

>>88857351
How is it funny?

>>88857367
It's a funny pun.

>>88857378
It's a pun, funny is debatable.

>>88857388
Yeah.... obviously?

>>88852240

>Why do you hate this Joker?

Because it wasn't anything resembling the Joker most people have come to know through years of pop culture osmosis - specifically, from B:TAS and "The Dark Knight".

Yes, Joker has always been something of a gangster and a thug, but most modern interpretations make him a sociopathic genius who wants more than to rob banks and skip away merrily with the cash. Modern!Joker is a philosophical mirror to Modern!Batman; as cliched as it is to bring it up now, "The Killing Joke" shows this idea perfectly.

Leto!Joker was...different, yes. This interpretation went back to the roots of Joker as a gangster, and that in and of itself is not a bad thing. But that has to overcome Leto's bad acting, the lack of screentime for the character, the horrible dialogue, and the characterization that eschews "Batman's mirror opposite" in favor of "crazy albino gangster". In this case, "different" does not equal "good".

(Leto's off-camera behavior did not help his case. Fuck that asshole.)

>>88852881

>they could have subbed him for any other crime boss

This is the big issue here. In "The Dark Knight" or even the '89 "Batman", Joker felt like an irreplacable part of the story - a piece of the puzzle that, if taken out, makes the puzzle incomplete. In "Suicide Squad", Joker was no such thing - he was more a prop than a character, a mere object to push along Harley's story.

If Joker can be replaced in a story by some other mob boss, that is a shitty Joker. It is a Joker that does not deserve to see the light of day.

>>88857320
100% agree here. Leto did a great job with the script and direction he was given. He filled the role that was given to him pretty well.

If they had given him a better script and told him to really go for it (read: LAUGH DAMNIT) it would have been much better.

>>88852240
>He was an uncomfortable presence in the room
That was actually a big problem i had with him. Many comics and cartoon versions walked along the line, but in suicide Squad they took it too far in my opinion, as if Joker is willing to kill just anyone.
And the problem with that is, such a person would be killed by one of the other gangsters long long before the events of the movie. Normally the joker makes it clear he IS willing to kill anyone, but usually doesn't do it unless he knows he can get away with it and it would benefit him.

Here, he just shoots his partners for fun because "lol i'm crazy" and no one cares

>>88852559

Joker's sense of humor is meant more as "dead baby comedy" than "average stand-up comedian". What he finds funny is meant to scare the average person, and all so that he can get the last laugh.

>>88857590
>dead baby comedy
But that's one of the most hilarious kinds of comedy.

>>88857580

>the joker makes it clear he IS willing to kill anyone, but usually doesn't do it unless he knows he can get away with it and it would benefit him

And if it would be funny (to him).

>>88857627

That's a matter of perspective, really.

>>88857632
that's just the thing, he doesn't do it. He never does things for "lolrandom", there is always a point no matter how much he tries to deny it.

>>88857572
Well, he got advice from Morrison.

>>88857572

>Leto did a great job with the script and direction he was given.

Explain.

>>88852240
Way too tryhard and subtle pandering to the SJW cuck crowd

I prefer the more nihilistic Ledger joker to this Le qUiRkY sO cRAzY LoL XD RaNDuM joker.

Also Ledger was just all around an infinitely better actor than Jared "15 isn't pedo" Leto

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>>88857183
>At least Superman isn't afraid to take desparate measures when dealing with really dangerous foes like Zod, Doomsday, and Darkseid.

Mugga, please.

>>88857736
https://www.google.com/amp/variety.com/2016/film/news/jared-leto-joker-suicide-squad-deleted-scenes-1201832662/amp/

Took me a while find.

>“I think that I brought so much to the table in every scene, it was probably more about filtering all of the insanity"

This, along with multiple interviews where he describes just how excited he is to play Joker, leads me to believe that the toned down version of the Joker we are in the film was due to direction and editing.

Also
>Leto also said in the interview he told director David Ayer during production that “Suicide Squad” should be rated R.

>“I always wished this film were rated R,” he said. “It felt like, if a film was ever going to be rated R, it should be the one about the villains.”

>>88857036
Tuco was scarier tbdesu.

>>88858276
Who wasn't?
There was nothing scary about Leto's Joker.

>>88857792
I prefer Nicholson's classic mob boss/deranged artist to Heath Edger and Damaged Gangsta.

>>88856699
>non-white teeth

so did DCAU and Ledger

I didn't really notice before but the metal made the whiteness of the teeth stand out

>>88852688
This. I'm sick of anyone saying they like or even know a single fucking thing about Batman if they can't grasp this simple fact.

>>88852240
not Marvel

>>88858521
But Ledger wasn't like any version and still managed to win people over.

>>88852446
>And ironically its all undone at the end when Joker breaks her out.
Yeah, allmost as the upper part of your post is made up.
Even if he didn't break her out, there was nothing of an character arc here.
Joker pulled her into the plane and both would have gotten away if said plane wasn't shot down and she only waited for the rest to pick her up again.

>>88856934
yet he was put at the centre of the ad campaign

>>88857792
>15 isn't pedo
By definition, it isn't

>>88858615
Oh no, advertising lied to me!

>>88857150
What is Sauron doing in that comic?

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The problems with the DCEU Joker are readily apparent to anyone with functioning eyeballs and an age above 16

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I just felt really bad for him. Leto is a good actor, but this Joker was just... a little embarrassing? The design started to grow on me, I could have looked past it, but what they made him do and say in the movie.. It's hard to explain really. There is a hard fine line you need to walk with Joker, he so easily becomes cringe.

Ledger's Joker looked like edge incarnate, but his actual portrayal was pretty funny - and that's kind of the point of Joker imo. Anons often argue 'Joker isn't funny!' but in the comics/shows that are good, he usually is. Maybe not laugh-out loud, but a chuckle here and there over a shitty pun or his obsession with making Batman rustled.

WB also shot themselves in the foot by promoting this Joker as 'truly fucked up' and the 'scariest version of the character yet!' when the actual Joker in the movie was just a thug who likes makeup and cares for his girlfriend.

The key aspect of every solid Joker performance so far has been charisma. Nicholson's Joker is very different from Ledger's Joker who is very different from Hamill's Joker, but they all have an abundance of charisma and showmanship.

It's fun to watch them do what they do, in part because they enjoy it so much and in part because of the flourish Joker's typically put into their crimes.

This Joker wasn't fun to watch. He had zero charisma. What I can only assume were his attempts at jokes weren't funny and lying down laughing among a meticulously placed collection of knives and guns was just nonsensical

I get the feeling I was supposed to laugh at the "hunka hunka" line but I was just embarrassed for everyone involved in the scene.

>>88852560
Wasn't he called "the clown prince of crime" initially?

>>88858926
When did Nicholson or Ledger ever have an ounce of charisma?

>>88852240

I'm not much of a comics guy myself, but I agree with the rest of the anons here. I've seen better jokers, but I like the weird sexuality and more physical approach they gave him. The script was a steaming pile and the look was horrible (though that was a complaint I had with every single costume in the movie) but as a performance, it's an unconventional but not necessarily bad.

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>>88859048
You have no soul

>>88858994
You think people here read comics? Leto's Joker is the most Joker a live action movie has had, save for Romero.

>>88858839
that's how Batman was drawn after entering Akham Asylum in that comic, the writer said he wanted 'draw Batman as his enemies see him', so he's drawn as a shadow which flits around in the darkness and occasionally comes out to fuck someone up

>>88859108
I beg to differ.

>>88859113
>he wanted 'draw Batman as his enemies see him
But most Batman villains rather got used to his appearance.

>>88859256
this comic also focused rather heavily on the various villain's mental illnesses, in the depictions of the characters shown there, them not having an entirely rational view of Batman makes sense

>>88852240
Because Karen Fukuhara is not my girlfriend.

>>88852240
>wicked sense of humor
>wicket sense of humor
>rickets sense of humor

>>88859324
>We will never get sukeban Katana

>>88859108
Because Nicholson's Joker wasn't more like old school campy Joker than "I want you to fuck my wife" Leto.

>>88852240
HONKA
O
N
K
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I feel as though Leto is proof that you can be a "major" Hollywood movie star without charisma, looks or talent if you fuck the right people.

>>88859750
I thought that was Margot Robbie.

He left my mother perturbed

>>88856934
My point specifically is that Joker could have been an OC do not steal character with little to no rewrite in the script. If that's the case, then why tag them him as a popular character? The same reason Leto talked up how method he was on the set: It was a marketing ploy to get asses in seats, and not anything to do with having the joker in a film. The character is written generically because they just need him to exist for their purposes.

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>>88859256
>>88858839
Everything in the Arkham Asylum comic is heavily stylized.

>>88859815
it's definately an interesting style, although the artist did comment he regretted it slightly as he felt it made some of the panels a bit unclear and that the story suffered due to readers missing interesting details which are still there but really hard to make out.

For example the Feast of Fools was intended to resemble the famous painting of last supper with the various batman villains, in that page though the way its drawn means you can't make that out

>>88859805
But you're wrong. Joker is integral, his sub plot wouldn't make any sense if it was someone else, and you'd lose all of Harley's background and motivation.

>>88859750
m8 Leto won an Oscar already, for playing the most un-Joker-like role ever

His Joker was a misfire but that doesn't make his entire career shit

Boring.

I don't care for the tattoos, but that doesn't kill it for me. I think Leto might be a good Joker with better writing and direction, the cuck and growling scenes were so bad.

>>88859369
...

>>88852240
He's ok I guess. He just isn't that great of a Joker. No fault of Leto's. He's just not that fleshed out or interesting, probably do to a lack of screen time and focus.

>>88860277
Dressed as a delinquent schoolgirl instead of a delinquent biker.

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>>88859979
Reading Joker's dialogue is also kind of hard because of the weird font and colours, but from a purely visual perspective it's a cool idea and ads to this Joker's monster-like appearance. And I've always seen this particular comic as a visual experience more than an actual story.

The plot isn't anything special, but every panel and the way they overlap and combine with each other on each page is a work of art.

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Can someone please explain to me why a Batman who's willing to crush low-level street thugs with the Batmobile or blow them up in their cars with the Batwing just because they're in his way ISN'T willing to kill the man and woman who FUCKING MURDERED ROBIN and instead lets them run around free and hang out in nightclubs?

>>88860498
He started killing and branding after the Zod battle

>>88860392
I know, but her career is pretty much dead plus I have to be a brown belt to be worthy of her.

>>88860261
How dare u, the growling, lap sitting and petting was so hot

>>88855666
>those digits

>>88852240
There's a billion Joker interpretations like this one and this one didn't stand out at all except for his stupid "damaged" tattoo. If Leto really had this magical performance, I didn't see it in the final movie.

>>88855666
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU.

>>88860538
>her career is pretty much dead

She can always appear in more DC films

I don't get blaming Leto, he's fine in several ways.

>>88860538
How is her career dead?

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The only good thing about this Joker is his Colt. It's a beautifully customized gun, damn.

>all these people saying not muh Joker ITT

That's why I don't care much for the Joker. He's written differently by everyone because his only real character trait is "IM KUH-RAY-ZEE xDDD". No one can seem to decide whether he loves or hates Batman and Harley Quinn or if he's a terrorist, supervillain or mob boss

>>88861179
You could probably say Joker has become more of a concept than a character.

>>88860939
that looks like a cheap plastic knockoff of a real gun

>>88860939
It looks like something from a toy vending machine, but that adds to the Joker Trademark effect.
I think Leto can do better and become an acceptable Joker, he just needs to drop to stupid gangland scarface talk and have do something about the tattoo, maybe put him in actual make-up or retcon the face removal bullshit to just his forehead. Or even just a tattoo over it like HAHAHA. Like it or not edgelord New52 Joker lives on in the DCEU movies.

>>88861314
>That's the point.

It was lazy writing. Quinn was important to the story, but needed the backstory to work. Joker is written as a side-note to Quinn's story, and it feels like they wanted the audience to project their version of the joker onto what was on the script. That failed because they also redesigned the hell out of him, so you're left with a visually striking character who's ultimately bland because he wasn't important enough to the plot to warrant attention.

>>88852240

I actually don't hate Leto Joker, I just feel like most of the DCU he's poorly utilized and poorly written.

>>88860538
Brown belt?

>>88860939
That reminds me, there have been a ton of Jokers with cool guns over the years.

Which one would be your favourite? Nicholson Joker's ridiculously long revolver would be a strong contender.

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>>88863163
Joker's revolver from Arkham games is also pretty badass-looking.

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>>88863262

>>88860498
I think we are working with comic book physics. This means that sure people are blowing up and cars are being dragged and shit, but they aren't confirmed dead or alive.

Though I do also think that Batman being willing to kill and go that extra level is very recent after the whole Superman even in Metropolis. Taking all that into consideration though it's heavily implied in the Batman V Superman extended cut of the movie that Lex was making it look like Batman was the one branding and killing the villains when it was actually Lex setting him up so Superman would hate him more

>>88863370
Being able to explore the evidence museum of weapons in Arkham Knight was one of the better features in that game. It was nice that most each item had it's own little story