>Wants to be a comedy, but isn't funny >Wants to be

>I'm so smart i better post this twice
objectively correct though

>>88848224
Are animation desks even used anymore? The new standard is Cintiqs

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>>88849429
It's called retrofitting.

Tumblr girls like this because of some empowered female characters... It's just bullshit

>>88848224
>draw Greg wildly off-model
>model of Greg is RIGHT THERE in the picture

>>88848224
It only became popular because its competition when it came out was Adventure Time, Regular Show, and TTG.
If this came out in the 90s literally no one would have paid attention to it because of all the other quality shows running at that time.

>>88848224

I try to say this exact thing whenever the ocasion rises but nobody cares enough to respond, kind of like this thread.

11 minute episodes really hurt the drama. Characters go through about 50 different emotions and heaps of exposition in a minute.

I appreciate that it tries to do a lot even if it isn't always the best.

I hope they can tie everything together better in the future, but if not, it's whatever; the show is serviceable, fun, has good tunes, good art (half of the time) and a great cast.

It helps that I'm a sucker for stories about kids.

>>88848224
>>Wants to be a comedy, but isn't funny
it needs to have comedy because its a kid's cartoon
>>Wants to be dramatic but overdoes tears and emotional outbursts
now you understand why women shouldn't make cartoons
>>Wants to be adventurous but does too much slice of life
>>Wants to be slice of life but then throws in random story arcs and villains
it wants to be both, it wants the human side be SoL, the gem side be adventurous
>>Wants to have fights but all the action scenes suck
their own good fight scenes were homage from anime
>>Wants to be taken seriously but then has Billy and Mandy-tier of meta jokes
who said it wants to be taken serious

>>88848354
>>88850743
Why does this need to be an entire thread?

>>88848224
Logic was thrown out the window with these 5 episodes.

>>88849714
>literal 90s fag

>>88852941
How?

>>88849700
A. That's the joke.
B. That's the point of off model.

>>88848224
you posted this as a comment in the other thread and thought it was actually good enough for a full thread?
LOL

>>88852931
>>88853020
>These types of threads are shit!
>I better bump it!

If you guys really hate a thread, why don't you just ignore it and let it die instead. Why do you people point out bait as if getting any response at all isn't literally the point of bait?

>>88848224
>Wants to be taken seriously but then has Billy and Mandy-tier of meta jokes
The reason metajokes make a story hard to take seriously is that if a character knows they're fictional, they have no reason to believe they're ever in any real danger. I'm still downloading the new Stevenbomb, but I'm guessing this is literally just a joke and it doesn't warp Steven's perception of reality.

If I get in animation I'd love to give the show a reboot and bring it to its actual potential

>t. male poster

>>88852971
Episode Steven's Dream
Garnet's power
>Future Vision
She saw what happen yet did nothing to prevent it. She could have sit him down and told Steven the truth or her vision and protected him but no we need to get the plot started somehow with this stupid intro because story.

>>88852948
Don't be jealous of best decade just because your cartoons are shit.

>>88852991
I thought the point of off-model was so animators can be lazy and inconsistent.

>>88853267
This made me chuckled.

>>88852931

Its doesnt, but in contrast, its actually critisism instead of the tipical "its bad becouse its tumblr" threads.

>>88848224
>Wants to dislike the show but keeps watching it.
You're the one trying too hard OP.

>>88852838
>who said it wants to be taken serious

The show told me with its tone, why would they put all that caracter agnst or dark scenes like garnets reaction to the fusion experiments or when they almost kill a baby? Like, was that a joke? Did you thought it was a joke? And then the next episode is something like "hit the diamond" and leaves me thinking if there was a point of any of that, why put effort in filling this caracters if you're going to have them act like lighthearted retards the next?

>>88848224
I laughed out loud at that scene.

>>88848224
No this is the problem with multiple Story boarders

Look at Connie's character for fucks sakes

>>88850792

>11 minute episodes really hurt the drama.

That is a bullshit cop-out

Adult Swim has had numerous 11 minute shows with overarching plots and stories that have been comedies, action shows, etc.

The writers of SU are just fucking hacks who can't adapt.

Where SU falls flat is its handling of the human cast.

Besides Greg and Connie humanity as a whole exists for nothing but filler gags. The entire heart of the series revolves around aliens finding humans special and rebelling for our way of life in theory but in practise they don't really integrate into human society at all and humans are just a background detail that the audience mostly doesn't care about.

When people learn that the latest episode is just bumming around beach city again there's an undeniable sigh of disappointment. People want stuff that happens, not Steven as a fucking vending machine. It's like two different shows.

>>88848224
>Promised Looney Tunes with Buddy, shafts everyone when it airs.
>Not even clips of old Buddy cartoons.
>If done right we could of got more Looney Tunes DVDs & Blu-Rays.

>>88848224
>Wants to be taken seriously but then has Billy and Mandy-tier of meta jokes
I agree with the rest of your points, but fuck off.

>>88853190
That's fucking stupid. Come up with a better show instead of propping up a mediocre, preexisting show.

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>>88853267

>>88848224
>Then I see you and I wish I done something

>>88854209
Yeah, SU would do fine in the 90s

At most it would be less gay

>>88852838
>now you understand why women shouldn't make cartoons

the only thing women should be doing is make babies and take punches to the face

>>88848224
That's because Sugar is a literal amateur, and like alll teenager fanfics it's a "everthing I at the same time" intead of one story per theme.
It's also why literally every character is "part of herself" and thus redeemable. Don't expect true evil,, until one of her characters is her dad.

>>88854252
Sugar LOVES her father

Greg is partially based on him

>>88854224
in the 91's SU would be in direct competition with the golden age of Japanese animation all over the world, and in the west, would be stomped by the worst movie tie simply because it's flat flash in a time were low paid coreans would hand draw real animation.

>>88852948
not an argument. SU is the animation equivalent of a shovelware.

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>>88854289
>90s
>"real" animation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

Bitch, you know nothing of animation
(picture related)

>>88854325
no, 3rd party acquisitions are shovelware

>>88854289
Yea, Tiny Toons & Batman were golden.

This is what Japan was doing in the 90s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rirBqcsqSjg

Also.
>15,000 won a hour.
>In 1991 money.
>Low pay.

>>88854374
>Thinking anime is shovelware.

>>88854451
no, that is weeboo shit

>>88854252
>Person does evil and irredeemable thing
>"Person its not evil guys, he/she is just sad/very autistic"

I fucking hate this shit.

>>88854485
>Implying Hitler was not Autistic

>>88854514
>Implying someone cant be evil and also an autist

>>88854469
Guess why SU is so garbage then.

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I enjoy the show. I don't agree with any of the opinions you have.

>>88854800

I dont like the show. I dont agree with your opinion.

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>>88854930

>>88853425
>actual criticism

Its just "I don't like this because MUH OPINION."

Its not wrong, but I can't see any possible spurious it could offer other than "Just watch something else then."

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>>88849714
>90's
>not 00'

>>88854955
>Its just "I don't like this because MUH OPINION."
It literally isn't. He's saying it tries to do too much so it doesn't do anything well. And that's a valid criticism to make. Though you could argue the exact degree to which it does not succeed, that's very pointed advice a showmaker could use.

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>>88855014
I don't agree.

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>>88848224

>>88855076
Not the point. It isn't just "MUH OPINION" it's a thoughtful criticism.

"MUH OPINION" would be "The show is shit and you're shit for liking it!" Which isn't really the case.

>>88853199
Why did they even come up with future vision?
It needs to be ignored for anything interesting to happen. It just seems more like a liability than anything.

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>>88855105
I think you're wrong.

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>>88855135
About what?

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>>88855165
About everything.

>>88855172
I'm glad I could enable your shitposting, at the very least.

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>>88849541
Why no cintiq on animation disc? No wonder drawings in new animations are shit

There's a certain demographic that this show strongly appeals to that fully embraces the "I can be everything" attitude. And almost none of it is done well as a result.

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rip sug

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>>88855189
Wan' sum fuk, m8?

>>88848224
But it is funny and dramatic. You just have fucking shit taste

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Who else cried or at least teared up when Steven broke down in the rubys ship, crying for his dad.

>>88853199
future vision just shows garnet the possibilities not the actual future

>>88855207
>Steven crying
>again
Wow, how dramatic.

>>88855226
For someone with vision into future possibilities, Garnet/Sapphire sure doesn't see a lot of things coming. Most of them are things that are practically guaranteed to happen too.

>>88848224
Damn those perspective proportions are so fucked up
They don't teach that on Calarts?

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This show is a weird divide. %90 of the time I either see people shitting on it or praising it's very name as the second coming.

To me, it's pretty fun, lighthearted, story focused show, slightly marred by it's narrative.

I like the songs (except a few). The drama does tend to be a bit much, with most of it coming out of nowhere, but where it's well paced, it's very impacting and you can relate to the characters plights (Pearl losing a loved one both to some dude she hates and to death, Amethyst trying to cope an inferiority complex, Steven trying to live up to a legacy of a person he never knew and could never possibly match)

However, as much as I like the show my BIGGEST issue is that it tends to spend so much time trying to be "unique" and "diverse" that it forgets what made it unique in the first place.

Still, I ultimately like the show and recommend everyone try it at least once.

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>>88852838
>>now you understand why women shouldn't make cartoons

>>88854743
made by white Americans, so no

>>88855280
It was different though, it was a lot more relatable. I guess it's since I've seen someone grieve over the death of their dad. Most of his other crying sessions are over dumb, stupid shit, this just struck me differently.

>>88848224
who the fuck grabs pencil like that?

>>88854955
You can boild down any discussion to "MUH OPINION"

And while i can see it as somewhat pointless you could say the same for discussions saying its great or any kind of critique really. People can like things that are poorly constructed or dislike something tecnicaly flawless, it depends on the person, and we end up havind these discussions in an attempt to try to understand eachother.

Also, while theres no rules for story telling, one shouldnt try so to be many things at the same time or runs the risk of loosing its focus. Someone with talent and experience might pull it off but its very easy to screw up.

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>>88852838
>Now you understand why women shouldn't make cartoons

CRAAAAWLING IIIIIIIIIIIN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

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>>88848224
Oh shit there's new episodes?

>>88855330
a woman's place is in the kitchen and the bedroom

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>>88855326
THIS
Steven universe is a "glass half-empty/half-full show." Some people only see the negatives while others see only the positive because the show is mediocre.

>>88855360
They leaked an entire fucking Stevenbomb.

Good jub CN

>>88855283

One of the parts of Garnet's arc that doesn't get played up is that her existence took sapphire's future vision by surprise. Because something that Garnet loves about the earth is that it's so random (*holds up a spork* XD).

Garnet sees things with clear logical probability and her fortune telling relies on rational behavior for accuracy. Humans don't act rationally, love isn't rational, and this might just be headcanon but I'm sure she enjoys being caught off guard on earth.

>>88855371
it appears causing SU to bomb is decidedly the goal of the bombs.

Not that they really need to help the show into the grave, it is practically burying itself.

>>88855394
Name one currently airing show that is in any way better.

>>88855405
Adventure Time

>>88855405
Drake and josh

>>88855405
Your suggested argument would not prove or disprove the one you are responding to, it at best would show the state of western animation.

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>>88853190
How do you intend to do that? Every idea I've seen on /co/ to make SU better from the ground up has had some major flaw that made it lame as fuck

>>88855207
Not me.

Steven cries too much. It loses its effect when he cries over almost everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0v0LnW0qJk

>>88855343
Chris-chan.

>>88855429
You're kidding right?

>>88855405
TTgo, nuPuff are already crushing it it's not a competition when ou have not a single positive point on your side.

>>88854051
>It's like two different shows.
I have almost never been able to put my exact qualms with SU into words but this has pretty much summed it up perfectly. You see stuff like Mirror Gem/Ocean Gem and The Return/Jailbreak, and it's almost entirely removed from the SoL episodes save for the humans being there to make scared faces/noises or react comically. The only really emotional part (in my opinion, at least) was Peedee clinging to his family's business and begging not to leave, but even that wasn't enough to really convince me to care.

>>88855460
I... it's just animated badly enough to be parody chopshop...

yet, it's just believable enough...

>>88855467
can you disprove it? no matter how boring it became, AT is creative in its design without being grotesque. It isn't preachy. It actually has bad guys and flawed guys were mistake aren't erased by crying.
Also the music is better. SU highest musical note was niggertalk 'I bettah cause I am nigah" moment.Tells a lot.

>>88855429
>>88855477
http://www.lunarseaspire.com/2016/12/ratings-for-three-gems-and-a-baby/

>>88855460
Steven crying is the deus-ex of the show. It means the plot is over because it always work.

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>>88854956
SHINY HAIR AND A TURBO CHARGED BACKPACk

>>88855446
Well, this picture is stupid, and doesn't understand what words mean. Seriously, learn what primary colors mean.

>>88855525
>AT is creative in its design without being grotesque.
SU isn't grotesque. AT and SU both have simple designs. AT has had twice as many episodes to focus on world building as well.
>It actually has bad guys
Besides the Lich, who else was a bad guy? WD is most likely the Lich of SU. Otherwise its YD/BD since they are knowingly trying to destroy the planet.
>Also the music is better.
The music in AT was horrendous. The "dancing baby Finn" was it's most popular song behind "bacon pancakes". Both of which don't even have half the views on youtube of one SU song.

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>>88854956
Get the fuck out of here. The 2000's was the true shithole of animation.

>>88855405
Fangbone!

>>88855644
>Besides the Lich, who else was a bad guy?
Gunther

It was Gunther all along

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>>88855685
It's true

>>88855721
This is what I love about AT

EVERYTHING is relevant and has consequences, even if some people are too stupid to realize it

>>88855737
Or, it was just a gag that they finally decided to justify in canon.

>>88855753
I was just about to say this, they didnt plan that shit.

>>88855356
It's not fair anon. I could have made a far more successful cartoon but affirmative action screwed me over again! Kids shouldn't even like this show because I say they shouldn't and nobody sees me for the genius that I really am. They're jealous that I'm the smartest guy in the room

>>88855775
>Something cant be bad if i like it and im always right

Chill

>>88849637
>empowered female characters
Connie is the only female main character on the show.

>>88849714
I think people would pay attention to a cartoon that had lesbians at a time where spider-man wasn't allowed to punch people.

>>88855106
It works sometimes. I like to believe it's not a power at all and sapphire is just really good at making predictions.

>>88855364
Ya house is pretty fucked up if you can be in the kitchen and the bedroom.

>>88855637
>Well, this picture is stupid
Welcome to Plebcomics.

>>88855653
>Samurai jack
>justice league
>Cartoon cartoons

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>>88848224
I quit the show after I found out Onion Gang was a townie episode. I can't handle the filler anymore, and even the episodes that forwarded the plot at the end of season 3 weren't that great. Are the new leaked episodes worth coming back for

>mega over quota
google drive?

>>88855191
is that Ian?

>>88855446
It's funny, because you can tell just through lines that the person who drew this has no style.

>>88856073
Use MegaDownloader, nigga.

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>>88856062
Watch this bomb. 5 Episodes of pure gem lore, 4 of them in space

>>88853267
Jesus, you really think that don't you?

>>88848224
>I don't like show yet I still watch it, so I'm gonna make another bait thread just to get precious (You)s XDDDD

>>88856028
>Actionshit
>Actionshit
>Meme humor

Come on you can do better than that.

>>88856062
Strange, I actually prefer the townie episodes to the big "DEEPEST LORE" cryfest arcs
The show would be better off going that way instead of trying to be jack of all trades but master of none

>>88856609
>And I'm gonna be one of the idiots who gives the guy (You)'s.

You fucking people realize replying to someone to say "All you want is (You)'s" is still giving them (You)'s?

>>88855364
You've never even seen a woman in the bedroom, anon.