CBR's 2016 Top 100 Comic Book Runs as decided by the fans

21. Ultimate Spider-Man by Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Bagley: 590 points (10 first place votes)
22. Daredevil by Brian Michael Bendis and Alex Maleev: 585 points (8 first place votes)
23. Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon and John Cassaday: 570 points (7 first place votes)
24. Planetary by Warren Ellis and John Cassaday: 535 points (6 first place votes)
25. Justice League by Keith Giffen and J.M. DeMatteis: 525 points (8 first place votes)
26. Saga by Brian K Vaughan and Fiona Staples: 521 points (10 first place votes)
27. Avengers by Jonathan Hickman: 419 points (5 first place votes)
28. X-Factor (2nd) by Peter David: 418 points (6 first place votes)
29. Uncanny X-Force by Rick Remender: 416 points (4 first place votes)
30. Legion of Superheroes by Paul Levitz, Keith Giffen, and Larry Mahlstedt: 412 points (10 first place votes)
31. Astro City by Kurt Busiek and Brent Anderson: 402 (4 first place votes)
32. Daredevil by Mark Waid: 376 points (2 first place votes)
33. Doom Patrol by Grant Morrison: 361 points (4 first place votes)
34. Thor by Jason Aaron: 350 points (6 first place votes)
35. Suicide Squad by John Ostrander: 344 points (10 first place votes)
36. The Flash by Mark Waid: 341 points (3 first place votes)
37. Fables by Bill Willingham: 340 points (5 first place votes)
38. The Incredible Hulk by Peter David: 332 points (4 first place votes)
39. Amazing Spider-Man / Superior Spider-Man by Dan Slott: 325 points (8 first place votes)
40. Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis, Darick Robertson, and Rodney Ramos: 322 points (6 first place votes)

41. Bone by Jeff Smith: 312 points (5 first place votes)
42. Punisher by Garth Ennis: 310 (2 first place votes)
43. Avengers by Kurt Busiek and George Perez: 306 points (5 first place votes)
44. Amazing Spider-Man by Stan Lee and John Romita: 302 points (2 first place votes)
45. Avengers by Roger Stern: 290 points (9 first place votes)
46. Hawkeye by Matt Fraction and David Aja: 285 points (2 first place votes)
47. Animal Man by Grant Morrison and Chas Truog: 280 points (3 first place votes)
48. JSA by Geoff Johns: 274 points (3 first place votes)
49. Ms. Marvel by G. Willow Wilson and Adrian Alphona: 272 points (2 first place votes)
50. Hitman by Garth Ennis and John McCrea: 270 points (2 first place votes)
51. Hellboy by Mike Mignola: 265 points (2 first place votes)
52. Avengers by Roy Thomas: 261 points (10 first place votes)
53. Marvelman / Miracleman by Alan Moore: 252 points (6 first place votes)
54. The Fourth World by Jack Kirby: 250 points (5 first place votes)
55. Warlock by Jim Starlin: 238 points (2 first place votes)
56. Cerebus by Dave Sim and Gerhard: 230 points (8 first place votes)
57. Doctor Strange by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko: 212 points (3 first place votes)
58. Locke and Key by Joe Hill and Gabriel Rodriguez: 209 points (6 first place votes)
59. The Flash by Geoff Johns and Scott Kolins: 202 points (5 first place votes)
60. The Walking Dead by Robert Kirkman / Charles Adlard: 195 points (2 first place votes)

61. Scott Pilgrim by Bryan Lee O'Malley: 193 points (6 first place votes)
62. Love and Rockets by Los Bros Hernandez: 191 points (8 first place votes)
63. Spider-Man by Roger Stern and John Romita Jr: 180 points (3 first place votes)
64. The Question by Denny O'Neil and Deny Cowan: 176 points (4 first place votes)
65. Invincible by Robert Kirkman, Cory Walker, and Ryan Ottley: 172 points (1 first place vote)
66. Conan by Roy Thomas: 170 points (0 first place votes)
67. Chew by John Layman and Rob Guillory: 167 points (1 first place vote)
68. X-Men by Chris Claremont and Dave Cockrum: 164 points (1 first place vote)
69. Brian Michael Bendis and Alex Gaydos' Alias: 162 points (2 first place votes)
70. New Mutants by Chris Claremont: 160 points (1 first place vote)
71. G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero by Larry Hama: 159 points (3 first place votes)
72. X-Force / X-Statix by Peter Milligan and Mike Allred: 154 points (1 first place vote)
73. Vision by Tom King and Gabriel Hernandez Walter: 152 points (5 first place votes)
74. Superman by John Byrne: 151 points (3 first place votes)
75. Hate by Peter Bagge: 150 points (2 first place votes)
76. Avengers by Brian Michael Bendis: 146 points (1 first place vote)
77. Invisibles by Grant Morrison: 145 points (6 first place votes)
78. Thor by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby: 142 points (3 first place votes)
79. Gotham Central by Greg Rucka, Ed Brubaker, and Michael Lark: 139 points (4 first place votes)
80. Duck Comics by Carl Barks: 138 points (5 first place votes)

81. Detective Comics by Steve Englehart, Marshall Rogers, and Terry Austin: 137 points (3 first place votes)
82. 100 Bullets by Brian Azzarello and Eduardo Risso: 132 points (4 first place votes)
83. Shade the Changing Man by Peter Milligan and Chris Bachalo: 131 votes (4 first place votes)
84. Sin City by Frank Miller: 130 points (3 first place votes)
85. Batman by Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams: 129 points (5 first place votes)
86. Captain America by Mark Gruenwald: 124 points (3 first place votes)
87. Wonder Woman by Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang: 122 points (1 first place vote)
88. Promethea by Alan Moore and JH Williams: 120 points (5 first place votes)
89. Criminal by Brubaker and Sean Philips: 115 points (2 first place votes)
90. Supreme by Alan Moore: 104 points (3 first place votes)
91. She-Hulk by Dan Slott: 102 points (2 first place votes)
92. Nextwave: Agents of Hate by Warren Ellis and Stuart Immonen: 101 points (3 first place votes)
93. The Spirit by Will Eisner: 100 points (6 first place votes)
94. Ultimates by Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch: 98 points (2 first place votes)
95. Green Lantern by Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams: 96 points (3 first place votes)
96. Iron Man by David Michelinie, Bob Layton and John Romita Jr.: 95 points (2 first place votes)
97. Deadpool by Joe Kelly: 94 points (4 first place votes)
98. Eightball by Daniel Klowes: 92 points (1 first place vote)
99. Scalped by Jason Aaron and R.M. Guerra: 90 points (3 first place votes)
100. Wicked + Divine by Kieron Gillen and Jamie McKelvie: 86 points (4 first place votes)

The end.

>08. Batman by Scott Snyder, Greg Capullo, and Jonathan Clapion: 1019 points (20 first place votes)
>13. Y the Last Man by Brian K.Vaughan, Pia Guerra, and Jose Marzan: 665 points (12 first place votes)
>26. Saga by Brian K Vaughan and Fiona Staples: 521 points (10 first place votes)
>34. Thor by Jason Aaron: 350 points (6 first place votes)
>61. Scott Pilgrim by Bryan Lee O'Malley: 193 points (6 first place votes)
>67. Chew by John Layman and Rob Guillory: 167 points (1 first place vote)
>100. Wicked + Divine by Kieron Gillen and Jamie McKelvie: 86 points (4 first place votes)

CASUALS WERE A MISTAKE

>>88834653
And Astonishing X Men

>>88834562
>2012
>56. John Ostrander’s Suicide Squad – 158 points (1 first place vote)
>2016
>35. Suicide Squad by John Ostrander: 344 points (10 first place votes)
My favorite capeshit got over two times more votes than last time, just because of a shitty movie.

Hooray?

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>08. Batman by Scott Snyder, Greg Capullo, and Jonathan Clapion

>81. Detective Comics by Steve Englehart, Marshall Rogers, and Terry Austin
>85. Batman by Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams

Best way to account for the casual factor:

If the comic is from the last five years, drop it 15 spots

If the comic is from the last ten years, drop it 10 spots

>>88834764
For famous runs, DC has been bad with reprinting those runs.

>>88834803
If the comic is from Marvel or DC: Drop 75% of the points.

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Okay so what's your top 10 if you're so much cooler than everyone else /co/?

OF COURSE. WHY WOULD EISNER'S SPIRIT OR KIRBY'S FOURTH WORLD CRACK THE TOP 50 OF THE GREATEST COMIC BOOK RUNS OF ALL TIME? DON'T BE ABSURD.

I posted a link to the voting on /co/ on the last voting day.
6/10 for me: 100 Bullets, Eightball, Love and Rockets, Hate, Fourth World and Barks' Duck comics
I'm surprised Hate made it and quite high.
I also voted for Copra, Acme Novelty Library, Yummy Fur and Marshal Law.
Acme Novelty Library didn't make it this time even though it beat Eightball last time.

>>88834580
>Hellboy isnt even in the top 50

But then again public voted 'best ever' lists are always wrong.

>>88834929
Clowes has been pretty active in the past few years. Making comics, making movies, making Shia LaBeouf break down...

Building Stories was in 2012, but I feel like Ware has been pretty quiet since them.

>>88834900

1. Kirby's F4
2. Miller's Daredevil
3. Ditko's Spider-Man
4. Claremont's X-Men
5. Eisner's Spirit
6. Robinson's Starman
7. Englehart's Batman
8. Mignola's Hellboy
9. Ellis' Planetary
10. Morrison's Batman

>>88834998

I should point out I was just doing cape comics here.

Honestly including capes and non-capes in one list is silly. There's no way to compare Persepolis or Building Stories or Contract with God to Green Lantern IMO

>>88834900
1. Amazing Spider-Man by Stan Lee (and John Romita)

2. Superman by John Byrne

3. Plastic Man by Kyle Baker

4. Incredible Hulk by Greg Pak

5. Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon

6. Wonder Woman by George Perez

7. Batman by Grant Morrison

8. Punisher by Garth Ennis

9. Batman by Dennis O'Neil

10. Green Lantern by Geoff Johns

>>88834555
Predictable list. Also.
>01. X-Men by Chris Claremont, John Byrne, and Terry Austin: 2356 points (55 first place votes)
>03. Daredevil by Frank Miller and Klaus Janson: 1449 points (28 first place votes)
04. Swamp Thing by Alan Moore: 1311 points (39 first place votes)
>05. Fantastic Four by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby: 1260 points (32 first place votes)
>06. Amazing Spider-Man by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko: 1242 points (25 first place votes)
>08. Batman by Scott Snyder, Greg Capullo, and Jonathan Clapion: 1019 points (20 first place votes)
>09. Thor by Walter Simonson: 887 points (19 first place votes)
>10. Green Lantern by Geoff Johns: 812 points (24 first place vote)
Not top 10 material.

>>88835045
I probably would have included Hellboy around 4 or 5 had I not been thinking of big two cape comics. Savage Dragon would be near the bottom of a top ten as well.

>>88834921

at least for Kirby, because it didn't fit the criteria?
Its not ONE book, but an epic stretched over a half dozen books.

to be fair, Morrison's Batman shouldn't be on here either for the same reasons, but CBR are fags who suck Morrison's cock whenever they can, so its to be expected.

>>88835033
>There's no way to compare Persepolis or Building Stories or Contract with God to Green Lantern IMO
Sure there is.

Persepolis, Building Stories and A Contract with God are all disqualified because they aren't runs, and this is a list of runs.

>>88835069
The Fourth World is often considered a singular work. Kirby thought so himself and DC reprinted it as a singular work in the omnibus format.
I'd rather Morrison's Batman run only took one spot rather than several.

>>88834900
I don't know, I don't like picking favorites. I can't even put them in any order other than alphabetical.

Amazing Spider-Man (Lee/Ditko)
American Splendor (Pekar et al)
Cerebus the Aardvark (Sim/Gerhard)
Fantastic Four (Lee/Kirby)
Love & Rockets (Hernandez/Hernandez)
Raw (Spiegelman/Mouly et al)
Suicide Squad (Ostrander/Yale et al)
Uncanny X-Men (Claremont et al)
Zap (Crumb et al)
Zot (McCloud)

>>88834653
I'll concede with the others, but I personally liked Y the Last Man

>>88834555
And I've only fully read 33 out of these runs.

>tfw still a casual after four years reading comics

>>88834921
>>88835226
It's probably because of the lack of reprints desu

>>88835051
>liking Sandman and disliking all of those

>>88834555
>Claremont's and Byrne's X-men at #1
Mutie lovers were a mistake.

>>88834756
It's being reprinted.

>>88836056
>01. X-Men by Chris Claremont, John Byrne, and Terry Austin: 2356 points (55 first place votes)
>11. Uncanny X-Men by Chris Claremont: 795 points (21 first place votes)
What did they mean by this?

Were they voting for some Claremont/Byrne/Austin comic OTHER than Uncanny X-Men?

>>88836117
They've separated the issues co-written by Byrne as some separate run.

http://www.cbr.com/tag/top-100-comic-book-runs/
>>88836117
68. Chris Claremont and Dave Cockrum’s “X-Men”
“X-Men” #94-107

How does it make sense to separate Claremont's X-Men into different runs but not Morrison's Batman?

I think Ennis' Battlefields, Stray Bullets, Curt Swan Superman, BPRD, Lucifer and Prophet deserve to be in the list.

>>88836476
Byrne was a co-plotter in the middle of the Claront run hence the separation. Same reason why there are two spots for Stan Lee Spider-Man runs.

>>88836593
Prophet is in my subjective personal Top 10, but I don't think it would belong in an objective community Top 100.

It had too many problems with broken promises, loose ends and go-nowhere plots that I can personally forgive, but I don't see many others being able to.

>>88836593
Lucifer at least placed in the 2008 poll.

>>88836709
When you look at some (or many) of the runs on the list, Prophet certainly should deserve a place.

>>88836783

Yea Prophet's issues aren't worse than anything else on that list.

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>its an X-fags rig the poll episode

>>88834941
Hellboy definitely needed to rank higher than Slott's Spider-Man.

But I am surprised that Cerebus got really higher on this list than I would expect. I would've thought CBR had a lot of people who didn't read many indies or be against Dave Sim's beliefs.

>07. Batman by Grant Morrison: 1236 points (22 first place votes)
>08. Batman by Scott Snyder, Greg Capullo, and Jonathan Clapion: 1019 points (20 first place votes)

Calling Snyder's Batman the EIGHTH greatest comic book run of all time is infuriating but putting the guy who is more creative, more innovative and more interesting who Snyder lifted all of this ideas from exactly one rank above him almost makes up for it.

>>88836056
because they're the only ones who care about the comics?

would you prefer Bendisvengers to be #1?

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>ctrl+f
>"Hellblazer"
>nothing
Fucking casuals.

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>>88837221
The people have spoken, X-Men's #1

>>88834618
Honestly though, I'm surprised this got ranked where it did:

>94. Ultimates by Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch: 98 points (2 first place votes)

less than 10 years ago I think it would've gotten higher on the chart. So I think they really should do this poll again about 10 years from now so we can see where most of the choices will be by then.

>>88837513
frankly, most of the books didnt stand the test of time. in 10 years from now, ultimates won't even chart

Sandman ain't that good
Snyder Batman ain't that good
Claremont/JrJr is a better X run but that's a nitpick

Otherwise a solid list. I'm only a little upset o forgot to send a list in

>>88837513

I'm sure Wicked + Divine will be even higher /s

>>88834562

good showings by Legion, Flash, and Suicide Squad!!!

new mutants should be higher.

>>88837556
That's true and why I'm not really upset at current stuff charting as high as they do. I do have to admit I'm a little annoyed at seeing Bendis' Avengers higher than Morrison's Invisibles or Moore's Supreme or Lee/Kirby Thor but I know there's still fans from the 00's and 10's who enjoyed following it and CBR usually has Marvel-centric fans.

On the bright side, at least Busiek's Avengers outranked Bendis' Avengers vastly.

>>88834653
>Lumping Chew in with this garbage
>Talking about casuals without mentioning Sandman coming in at #2
Subtle

>>88837648
Yeah, and to make you feel even better, 10 years ago, Busiekvengers would lose to Bendis. While his run always was popular, more people will start to appreciate his run in following years.

>>88837513
They do it every four years

>>88837648

I'm legit shocked (happily) Stern and Thomas runs got on

and they both beat bendis :)

>>88837694
Just found the 2012 list:

http://www.cbr.com/2012-top-100-comic-book-runs-master-list/

>>88837415
>only cares about one single Big Two comic
>with a movie and a TV show
>calls others casuals

>>88837431
>CBR
>people

>>88834900
1. Carl Barks' Duck Comics
2. Jeff Smith's Bone
3. Mike Grell's Jon Sable, Freelance
4. David Mack's Kabuki
5. David Lapham's Stray Bullets
6. Akira Toriyama's Dragon Ball
7. Jim Starlin's Dreadstar
8. Herge's Tintin
9. Bud Root's Cavewoman
10. Eric Powell's The Goon

>>88837678
>Yeah, and to make you feel even better, 10 years ago, Busiekvengers would lose to Bendis.

True. I remembered around the time of Bendis' first two New Avengers arcs there were fans claiming it was better than the Busiek run. To which I wondered which Bendis Avengers they were talking about.

Still I think Bendis' Avengers would have sort of worked if it was just Disassembled to Siege. He stayed on too long and people got even more familiar with his repetitions. I still wouldn't have ranked it near or above Busiek's, Thomas', Stern's, or Englehart's runs though.

LOL how is Sandman not number 1? Fucking x-men?! hahaha

>>88837731
2008
http://www.cbr.com/the-top-100-comic-book-runs-master-list/

>>88837854
Sandman was #1 on the 2012 list. See >>88837731

My guess? A lot of people ditched CBR after the change last year.

>>88837737
>only cares about one single Big Two comic
Nah, it's just that most of the other stuff I'd rank highly is on there somewhere - even Shade the Changing Man and Moore's Supreme run

Sin City should definitely be top ten

>>88837811
>stray bullets at 5

I love stray bullets and have been on the wagon since the 90s but no way.

>>88837854
Frankly, they deserve it better

>>88837885
Why? Sandman is better, more influential, and more impressive.

>>88837875
>>88837854
Sandman was also #1 on the 2008 list: >>88837865

>>88837903
Sandman is a classic and a great comic book in its own way, but X-Men is WAAAAAAY more influential, and impressive, not to mention industry wise

>>88837875
Some people ditched CBR, yeah, but some of those people still voted on the poll.
According to the list maker the previous list got 700 votes but this one got 1000.

>>88837903
>more influential
The other two are a matter of opinion but this is objectively not true

>>88837951
Also The Sandman got 99 points this time but X-Men managed to double its points.

>>88837877
Obviously that's a personal list.

>>88837951
>>88838006
Huh, that's bizarre.

>>88838023
Yeah, it's very personal, I consider all of those to be cream of the crop comics but they're personal favorites that are also excellent rather than an attempt at a truly subjective list.

>>88837925
No it's not. It's dumb outdated action shit. It does not fucking hold up and reading it for the first time today would be a chore.

>>88834653
Chew was good tho. Maybe not top 100, but it wasn't snyder or saga tier.

>>88838184
>No it's not. It's dumb outdated action shit
confirmed for not reading Claremont's X-Men

>Most of these are Marvel
>Even most of the ones that are DC are Batman
>Superman only got the Byrne run in the list and it's 74

>>88838244
It seems like the memes about Byrne made people soured on him

>>88838236
I couldn't finish it, true. But I read enough to form an opinion. It obviously suffers from the restrictions and limitations imposed by the big two at the time. The "every issue is someone's first" gimmick makes reading comics of that period a nightmare. Fellating old comics because they're "influential" stagnates the medium.

>>88834555
as always CBR even considering dan slott´s spiderman run brings the whole list down
why do they love him so much?

>>88838281
And had you read further, you would probably know that X-Men actually pushed the limitations.
You wouldn't have Sandman without Claremont.
Bah, you probably wouldn't have Watchmen without Claremont.

>>88838281
>The "every issue is someone's first" gimmick
Holy shit, are people who got into Marvel through the movies really this brainwashed. You might not realize it but what you're describing is called a good comic. But if you like bloated event shit written for the trade I guess that's your business.

Here's a serious question, /co/. Do you think Snyder & Capullo's run is all-time top ten material?

>>88838343
>You might not realize it but what you're describing is called a good comic
You're a braindead moron if you think explaining how a character's powers work every single issue is good. And stop pretending, capeshitters like you are the movie casuals, not me. Don't even try to imply you haven't eaten up every MCU garbage.

>>88838358
absolutely not, but the art is worth all the praise it gets, unlike the rest of it, not even it´s highs reach true greatness honestly
>tfw no spawn miniseries drawn in capullo´s current style

Sandman is boring as shit.

>>88838431
Isn't Sandman, canonically part of DC? You have Kain and Abel, for fuck sake, as one of the main characters

>>88838470

freaking Martian Manhunter is in that first arc too

>>88838470
>Isn't Sandman, canonically part of DC?
So?

>>88834764
This also

>No Question by Dennis ONeil

What in the fuck.

>>88838511
Doesn't it make him.... capeshit?

>>88838527
Blame yourselves. You should have bumped that storytimes! Maybe next time, you will

>>88838431
>You're a braindead moron if you think explaining how a character's powers work every single issue is good.
Shit that didn't happen.

>>88838527
It's in there. Lower than Walking Dead, Waid Flash, Waid Daredevil, Hickman Avengers, PAD Hulk, Hawkguy or Memender's Uncanny X-men

>>88834900

No specific order except what pops in my head first

Jeff Smith Bone
Mike Mignola Hellboy
Claremont X-men
Lee/Romita Sr Spider man
All Star Superman Grant Morrison
Usagi Yojimno Stan Sakai
Watchmen Alan Moore
Green Lantern Corp Gibbons
Spider-Girl Defalco
Transmetropolitan Ellis

yeah. That works.

>>88838535
No.

>>88837877
How is Sin City any better than Stray Bullets?

>>88838617
Yes, it does. Especially that Sandman has a huge cape for a suit

>>88838646
That makes the BTFO even stronger because it manages to be such a different flavor of capeshit compared to all the others.

>>88838686
Of course, and it's a great comic. It's just that I enjoy pawning the smug elitists, who "need no cape"

>>88837925
Claremont's X-men should be nowhere near Swamp Thing or Sandman. The only people who rate it that high are nostalgiafags and hard-core Xfags.

>>88838286
Cause he hangs out on their boards.

>>88838358
I don't think any Batman run is all-time top ten.

>>88838735
We can go the other way. The only people who rate Swamp Thing or Sandman that high are Moorefags, or elitist assholes, or some other smug insult

>>88838244
Superman doesn't really have any runs worthy of top 100; Not even Byrne's, which was worse than even Snyder's Batman.

>>88838271
That's why he has two runs in the top 20 and one of them was first.

>>88838615
Only runs allowed, no minis.

>>88838735
The list is mostly a joke. It's full of old nostalgia shit that people vote because they're told they have to since these comics are "important". And then there's meme stuff like Vision being higher than Shade, 100 Bullets, Invisibles, Promethea or Scalped. Just look at how high Remender's Uncanny X-Men and Fraction/Aja Hawkeye are.

>>88838793
To be honest, FF by Byrne is really that good, no matter what you think about Byrne

>>88838495
Martian Manhunter is there, Dr. Destiny is there, Mister Miracle is there, Kirby's Sandman is referenced, Hector Hall and Lyta Hall were part of Infinity Inc before showing up in Sandman. Superman, Batman, J'onn and Darkseid also show up in cameos in The Wake.

>>88838790
If you're gonna meme then fine. But that run is incredible and actually hold ups unlike most of the shit on that list. And I hate Moore.

>>88838527
It's at #64. Go back an look.

>>88838853
Of course it does. But so does X-Men
There was nothing like them before Claremont, or after. Both Dark Phoenix Saga and Days of Future Past alone were a landmark influence on future writers

>>88838853
>And I hate Moore.
Lol.

>>88838790

Swamp Thing is REALLY good though

>>88838825
I never said anything negative about Byrne himself. I just don't think that his Superman run is that good.

>ctrl+f Squirrel Girl, Mockingbird
>0 of 0
thank christ

Remender didn't write Uncanny X-men so the dude who keeps bringing it up when bitching about the list is hilarious

>>88838932
It is, albeit it goes boring at some point, until it gets good again in the last Moore arc. which surprise, surprise, has Swamp Thing vs Batman

fucking capeshit

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>>88834555
>Snyder Batman
>Slott's ASM
>Whor

>>88838897
No, I man. It does not hold up. What you're trying to say is that it was doing different things like doing long storylines instead of one and dones and shit like that but if you read those issues today they feel dated as fuck. Swamp Thing was the first Big Two comic that was truly literary and showed that you could tell mature stories that don't have to always end in the hero punching out the bad guy.

>>88838957
X-Force. Whatever.

>>88838987
Oh boy. It's like bouncing the ball at the wall.
It's not my fault that people resonate more with X-Men who touched dark themes, like civil rights, outcasts trying to have a family, being feared and loathed, while also having a pure sci-fi adventures, than a living swamp.

I do wonder, how much of SM's legend is due to Bisette art. The guy was a genius. And frankly, should I remind you about Swamp Thing vs Floronic Man arc? It was pure capeshit

>>88834900
this is what I sent in to the guy when they were taking lists
1. Love and Rockets by The Hernandez Bros.
2. Hate By Peter Bagge
3. Zot! By Scott Mccloud
4. Punisher Max by Garth Ennis
5. Captain Marvel by Peter David
6. Plastic Man by Kyle Baker
7. Warlock by Jim Starlin
8. Kid Eternity by Ann Nocenti
9. Yummy Fur by Chester Brown
10. Jack Staff by Paul Grist

>>88838469
I'm sorry there wasn't enough punching to keep your attention.

>>88839071
It only surface stuff, doesn't go very in depth.

Doom Patrol deserves to be in top 10. It is the peak of cape comics. Imo it was more consistent than X-men and Swamp Thing(both of which had some duds), while keeping the weirdness and inventiveness flowing, and it had an actually great ending.

>>88839329
It also had some weirdness for weirdness sake, and some awkward ideas, like that Gorilla Dude being gay

>>88837955
It is definitely true.

>>88839329
Yeah but most casuals don't know about Doom Patrol except for that they kind of showed up in the Teen Titans cartoon.

>>88839369
Yeah, that Morrison guy, what a Z-lister, he's so underground, such a hidden gem. Only enlightened patricians like us know about his forgotten obscurities like Doom Patrol or Animal Man.

>>88838316
>You wouldn't have Sandman without Claremont.
lol

>>88838644
The art alone, and the writing in general (even though they are going for different things)...the stories have a beginning, middle, and end...Stray Bullets is great but it's not even completed and never will be, lots of stuff set up with no payoff.

Sin City is incredibly cinematic, like most of Frank's work, and looks so good they made two entire movies out of it, copying off entire panels and sequences.

>>88839435
I'm not saying Morrison isn't a big name in comics, but most casuals only really know his work on things like Batman/Superman/X-Men

>>88839349
Were Brain and Mallah the first couple to come out in comics?

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>>88838979

>the last Moore arc. which surprise, surprise, has Swamp Thing vs Batman


that's like the middle of the run

>he didn't read the space body horror issues

>>88838853
Why do you ''hate'' Moore, that's ridiculous

>>88839497
and those who know Morrison's DP or Animal Man runs, never read other runs by other writers of these characters

>>88839525

i was pretending dude was talking about Silver Age Doom Patrol to amuse myself desu

>>88839522
>posting a digital rip
>not superior original scan that was much more frightening

>>88834555
>morrison Bats beat Snyder
JUSTICE
though O'Neil is still the GOAT

>>88839546
Then who was phone?

>>88839226
This. There's much more substance in Moore and Gaiman's stuff, it's deeply human and mature.

>>88839510
When you say "comics", do you mean only "American Big Two superhero comics"?

>>88839329
Doom patrol is X-Men done right.

>>88839563
The notion that Snyder is right behind him is absurd though. Also Gotham Central should be higher than 79.

The problem with these lists is that it's not "which do people like the most" but "which has the most people who have read it?"

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>>88839595

pic related

>>88839563
Spoken like a true wise man

>>88839563
Englehart > O'Neil

fite me

>>88839349
This is pretty dumb thing to say. If comics are too complex and the writer tries to put meaning behind everything then it's pretentious but when there' some funny kooky shit going on then it
s "weirdness for weirdness sake" which is in itself a pretty dumb criticism because the moments like Mallah/Brain or The beard Hunter are one and done issues that are meant to be comedic and give the reader some breathing room between arcs. There are certain writers that put weird shit in their comics for the sake of it and that criticism is valid when the whole run is like that, but this is clearly not the case.

>>88836709
For me it isn't a big deal since it was told in a serialized format. It doesn't make sense to judge that sort of comic on the basis of being a complete, carefully structured story with a beginning, middle and end. The important criteria is whether it can keep your interest from month to month.

>>88839822
>This is pretty dumb thing to say. If comics are too complex and the writer tries to put meaning behind everything then it's pretentious but when there' some funny kooky shit going on then it
Ah, the morrison defense squad has arrived

>>88839485
>lots of stuff set up with no payoff.
That's missing the point completely. The hook of it was never about a straightforward plot you can describe to someone.

>>88839648
Offcourse

>>88834653
Sandman and Swamp Thing are way more casual than any of this but the biggest of all is Ms Marvel beating Hitman

>>88834555
This seems retarded to me because CBR was incapable of consolidating votes for stuff. Claremont X-Men is on there twice as is Ostrander SS

>>88839900
Wait, are you trying to say that Sandman and Swamp Thing are more casual than Batman and Scott Pilgrim?

>>88834859
O'Neil/Adams just got an omni

>>88839919
>as is Ostrander SS
No it isn't

>>88839858
Great argument m8.

>>88839946
Do you mean the "Batman by Neal Adams" Omnibus? That has way more than the O'Neil run, which I'd say only takes up maybe half the book. You also get a lot of gems like Batman Oddyssey.

>>88834900
If it doesn't have Miller's Daredevil in Top 5, it's a non-list.

If it has Kevin Smith's Daredevil in any place whatsoever but the trash can, it's shit.

>>88834618
>92. Nextwave: Agents of Hate by Warren Ellis and Stuart Immonen: 101 points (3 first place votes)

Some faith restored.

>>88840027
I see you criticizing other lists but I don't see you offering one yourself, you coward.

>>88839900
Yeah but remember
-CBR leans heavily toward Marvel
-DC hadn't kept Hitman in print the way they did with Preacher and the only follow-ups were JLA/Hitman (back in the 00's) and the Section 8 comics (only started around DCYou)
-Ms. Marvel has been a reasonable success enough that they're pushing her, so more people will see her advertised.

I mean I think Hitman is fucking great! To me it's better than Preacher. But I'm not surprised it's beat out by Ms. Marvel at this point in time.

>>88838979
so because it featured Batman it suddenly becomes shit? ABCapes are fucking retarded

>>88839875
I agree, but Lapham doesn't elevate that kind of storytelling to a point where it surpasses Miller's tightly plotted stories, in my opinion.

>>88834653
>Scott Pilgrim is great.

>>88834900
>1) Hellboy/BPRD
The sheer scope and consistent quality are unbelievable, fantastic characterization, worldbuilding, storytelling and art. Hits all the marks and is still going. I wouldn't consider it my favorite but it's hard to deny it as the GOAT at this point
>2) Cerebus the Aardvark
Ambitious as fuck with the best art of any series that long, and some if the best paneling and fight art in all of western comics. Genuinely funny and intelligent for most of the run; a tremendous lead character who fits into almost any situation like a glove, as well as great parody side characters like Julius and Roach. Despite being decried as a misogynist, characters like Astoria show that Sim can write man, woman or Aardvark. Single-handedly pioneered small press direct market comic companies with Aa/V
>3) Saga of the Swamp Thing
Best use of a shared superhero universe of all time. It gets every last drop from the heavy hitters to the deep space d listers, while still adding iconic characters like Constantine. A great rework of the mythos and addition to the magical canon of DC that was the foundation for so much more that came beyond it. Fantastic art throughout as well.
>4) Lucifer (Carey)
A fantastic family drama wrapped in mythology from all points of the globe. Despite being about the Devil there is no heavy handed anti religion message. In fact there is rather an unbelievably uplifiting theme of self determination and actualization. I'd dare to say a worthy succesor to Milton (and I have an English degree)
>5) Fear Agent
The best scifi series of all time. It hits every box from alien invasion, evil clones, alternative universes, time travel, space operatics, artificial intelligence, and so on (you name it, it's got it). It also has one of the most brutal, depressing and transformative character arcs of all time, and deft themes of PTSD, addiction and isolation.
1/2

>>88834555
>3 different FF runs in the Top 25
And yet people still talk shit about the FF just because they don't have any good movies.

>>88841280
You can't underwrite the aspect that they don't have anything good *right now*.

>>88837877
I would rank Stray Bullets very highly as well.

>>88840715
>>88834900
>6) Frank Miller's Daredevil
Balls to the wall from start to finish Frank kicks off his big 2 career with a blast, injecting electric fight art and much needed new blood to Daredevil's rogue's gallery. Almost the perfect Marvel comic, grounded in the nasty New York of the 1980s with all the madness of the superhero world inhabiting it. On top of all of this, Miller includes harrowing themes of loss and desperation throughout, all culminating in the masterpiece Born Again.
>7) Grant Morrison's Animal Man
The big two's first foray into real metatext (and actually one of the first in post modern literture, concurrent with Auster predating Foster Wallace), but so much more. A fantastic family drama, a story about what it means to be a failed father and struggle to reclaim one's paternal masculinity. In the midst all of this are classic single issue cape stories with all of Morrison's trademark ingenuity. His most honed work, nothing gets lost in the chaff, and all loose ends are tied up in that brillaint finale.
I honestly don't know if I can go past 7, it becomes too difficult to choose from here. A quick list
Hitman
Miracleman
Martha Washington
Morrison JLA
Bone
X Statix
Delano/Ennis/Carey Hellblazer
Planetary
CC Beck Captain Marvel
Cole Plastic Man

Disclaimers: I hate the Lee/Kirby "fill every bubble with WORDSWORDSWORDS" style, it's undeniably horrible in my opinion, and I have not read classics like Duck comics or Claremont X-Men either.

>>88841656
>and actually one of the first in post modern literture
Vonnegut predates all of them by at least a decade, almost two, with BoC

>>88841867
True, I'm not well versed in his stuff. But as I said "one of".

>>88839946
Adams' Batman is reprinted a lot, but only the godawful "remastered" editions that he butchers with his terrible coloring. It's basically as if they were OOP for any practical purposes- I, for one, wouldn't even regard it as top 100 material if I could only read it in their current editions

All this Morrison is sad to see. He's so overrated.

>>88842153
Nigger there's half as much Bendis and as much BKV as there is Morrison, complain about them first faggot.

>>88842224
Defensive much?

>>88837513
This is done every two years or so. You can look it up.

>>88842153
Speaking of Morrison, this list is missing his Action Comics and seaguy. The only runs of his missing from the list.

>>88842276
Shit criticism much? Like or hate morrison he's undeniably better than Bendis, BKV, and Johns who equally inundate the list.

>>88842332
Read the rules.

>>88842332
Zenith (which is better than most things on there)
Aztek

And Seaguy is a mini, which if we're counting minis we're missing a lot, namely Flex

>>88834860
Runs primarly come from the big 2 though. It's a misnomer to call a long story by the same creator(s) a run.

>>88837903
>more influential
Neck yourself Gaimanfag

>>88842276
You sure seem to be.

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>>88842491
If CBR ever holds a Top 100 Single-Author Series poll then I'll stop nominating non-runs for their run poll.

>>88842446
Zenith is a collection off an anthology. Would it even count? According to the rules a collection of minis count. That's how hellboy made it.

>>88838281
You mean like you're doing about Sandman? For fuck's sake Claremont's X-Men ended AFTER Sandman, he wrote it into the mid 2000s (not straight through obviously) You really are a deluded little faggot aren't you? Show me some Sandman influence outside of Vertigo that didn't already derive from Swamp Thing or Hellblazer.

>>88842601
Fair enough, I know it's a problem of the format, I'm just saying. Rectification of names man.

>>88842628
>Claremont wrote X-men into the mid 2000s
By your logic, Gaiman wrote Sandman into mid 2010s.

>>88842628
Nobody counts post-1991 Claremont X-Men as part of Claremont's run, though. The CBR list has it up to X-Men #1-3.

>>88842677
>>88842699
Fair enough, but my point still stands, as Sandman ended 5 years later than Claremont's X-Men and they ran concurrently for 4 of Sandman's 8, not exactly from a different era.