Just watched the extended version of this. Why did people hate

>>88809717
Yeah. Right up to the masterpieces like BvS and Green Lantern!

>>88809717
>Why did bots hate it exactly?
Fixed.

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> poor pacing
> 0 time to get to know the characters
> will smiff's daughter apparently a-ok with her dad going to prison even though he's all she has
> killer croc is a skinny manlet
> cgi croc when he swims, but no cgi body so he doesnt look like a sissy twink
> croc has 2 lines
> croc serves no purpose
> everyone acting shocked that harley killed 2 monsters in elevator right after the group including her killed like 80
> army men mysteriously vanish
> enchantress looks like a power rangers villain
> enchantress "dancing"
> deadshot swapping to melee combat for no reason during enchantress fight
> joker being horny
> DAMAGED
> El Diablo goes from not giving a shit about the group to suddenly calling them his family in roughly about 2 minutes of 0 character development
> El Diablo turns into CLINKZ from dota
> Incubus giant cgi man that looks like shit
> harley and jokers plan to get away in the helicopter which literally wouldnt have solved any problems any of the characters had at the moment
> constant loop of pop music that never stops
> joker and harley car chase at a whopping 35 miles per hour
> katana serving no purpose in the film
> katana backstory told by rick flagg in the span of 10 seconds
> WHATS THAT COLOGNE? THE SMELL OF DEATH? LOL KEK A+ WRITING
> the only thing stopping enchantress from stealing her heart back was her alter ego going to sleep. literally nothing else.

The only upside to this film was Amanda Waller and maybe kinda sorta rick flagg.

>>88809717

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL7UStivFHY

TLDR: Poor editing, writing, actting, overly dark filter, extremely shitty villain, no development. Will Smith.

Only good point was Waller actually did shit.

>>88810968
You didn't mention Captain Boomerang. I thought he was the highlight of the film.
It's a shame that he barely did or said anything, just like every other character besides Harley and WillSmithShot.

>>88810968
To this I'd like to add:
>Incubus ravages city with his tentacle powers
>But can't hit Skwad members with them, but strangely connects with ponderously slow kicks
>Mystical super-sister's only offensive power: swords
also
>The movie's menace is a days long super-mystical cataclysm ravaging a city, but none of the JL members bother showing, despite being shown early in the movie responding to robberies and tips from the cops.
>Putty minions can overwhelm special forces guys armed to the teeth; somehow super vulnerable to a chick with a wooden bat and a bogan with a KNOIFE.

>>88811038
>Captain Boomerang leaves the bar as soon as his collar is deactivated and doesn't say a word
If he'd actually left the movie would've earned a 0.5 more in its score.

>>88811049
>Zero team comboing, while El Diablo is struggling with Incubus, the team stands around exchanging "le dramatic reaction faces" for minutes.

I know I'm expecting too much hoping for Avenger's style combos when only two guys have powers beyond shoot/stab stuff. But the big ending fight was beyond lameness.

>>88810968
> enchantress looks like a power rangers villain
>looks
She even had a personality of one. Actually, I take that back. It's an insult to Power Rangers villains.

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>>88811089
I found her to be more like an updated Gozer the Gozarian, but with a with the voice of Glinda the Good Witch (which was extremely odd, For Me).

>>88811049
This, the threat was way beyond the scope of the squad.

I said in another thread the other day, this needed to be a proper black ops operation.

>Lexcorp scientist with huge amounts of data on doomsday selling fled the US and is auctioning the data to a bunch of crime syndicates and governments
>US can't get involved without clashing with said governments
>Squad sent in to assassinate the scientist and retrieve data, under the cover of villains stealing for profit.
>Antagonists are a bunch of other villains who are actually trying to steal the data.

>>88811049
>Batman (who, while very strong and big, is still a human) can knock Harley out in one punch
>a punch from a superhuman supernatural monster doesn't even affect her
That elevator scene was the moment main villain and her goons stopped seeming like any kind of threat.

>>88810968
>The only upside to this film was Amanda Waller

Because Viola Davis is a miracle worker. Seriously, the script didn't do her any favors. The script tells us she is though as shit but at the same time it only shows through her actions that she is incompetent, non threatening and overall stupid. She can't control the enchantress even though she supposedly has a fail-safe. She can't get out of the building asking even though all she had to do was walk to the roof and call a chopper. Will Smith basically disobeys her orders, then walks right up to her and jokes about it to her face and she doesn't kill him for this insubordination. Then, in the end, she does UI again with that same blow your head out app again and now she expects then to believe her this time? They tell you, using hey own words, that she has a plan against superhumans like Superman gone haywire but the plan is absolute shit at accomplishing that. The one upside to her character is Viola Davis' delivery.

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>>88811118
This is yet another DCEU film where the "protagonists" are the actual cause of all the fucked up shit in the movie. Just like you don't have an alien invasion in MoS without Superman thieving from the Government, you don't have a threat without Waller trotting Enchantress.
She's supposed to be part of Waller's failsafe against a Chaotic Evil Superman, but it apparently bothers no one that she's a Chaotic Evil Superman Waller barely has control over.

But that's ok, because the real anti-Chaotic Evil Superman force is a bunch of guys who can't even break out of a conventional prison on their own.

>>88811118
The problem with Suicide Squad is that the types of missions they were designed for and would be appropriate for would not get greenlit as a movie due to how touchy the subject matter is.
For an accurate Suicide Squad film their mission would involve assassinating Kim Jong-Un or something equally completely illegal on an international scale, which was the entire point; use lower-powered or controllable supervillains supervised by a few willing heroic types in missions where if they are caught and killed they can plausibly deny that they were ever working for the US government because hey, they were super villains.

Making them into the Pentagon's low-grade Justice League filled with psychopaths is the exact opposite of the point of them.

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>>88811165
"My only weakness.....bars."

>>88811118
Just have their mission be getting those Pakistan nuclear papers that enchantress just teleports into the briefing room. That would have been a good movie.

>>88811196
Looks like that one alien from MiB2 that Will Smith said looks like crap.

>>88811203
Not LE EPIC enough for the Warner Brothers Film Committee of We Don't Know What Tha Fuck We're Even Doing and Can't Agree On Anything in charge of WB's entire film division right now.

>>88811219
But Superman is Jesus at least. I mean, that's got to count for something, right?

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>>88811182
Yes, generic "Ancient Evil Threatens the Whole Planet" is made for the Justice League.

And the film makes the point that they can send information directly to Batman (to capture Deadshot), in the event he's not aware of an entire city being torn apart. His Not-A-Car is more dangerous than the entirety of Flagg's team put together. And he has pals.

>>88810968
>kinda sorta rick flagg.
His actor is pretty solid and he is fucking WASTED in this mess of a film.
I even like him as Rick Flag, but fuck how badly he was used here.

>>88811165
Not sure if you meant to reply to me but I agree that the actual problems in SS was down to Waller, but I don't think you can really blame Superman for the events of MoS.

There was no reason to suspect the ship might summon Zod, but there was plenty of reason to be careful/not do it at all when attempting to control a ancient demoness who despises humanity.

>>88811182
Well thats why I suggested the governments buying Doomsday data.

The US can't get involved because it would set them in confrontation with whoever was buying it. But it makes sense that the Squad would be there (from everyone else's view, given that their cover is that they want the data for themselves to sell for profit). So the Squad goes in, gets into the fight with the antagonists/security, a bunch of foreign officials get caught in the crossfire, but everyone thinks its just villains being bad guys.

>>88811203
>>88811229
I suggested Doomsday data because it would link it into BvS and because movies tend to avoid making a direct enemy out of a foreign government, because that poisons that market for international release.

But it would be better to have that than "Blue beam of doom into the sky #342"

>>88811227
Not sure you want the something that it counts for.

>>88811258
But it's all they've got.
Well, that and some of the fight scenes. The ones they ripped off from DBZ or the Arkham games.

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>>88811203
A comic book adaptation that's also a heist movie? Are you fucking stupid? There's no way that could possibly work.
Get the fuck out of here.

>>88811269
Hopefully that will be a Rogues movie.

>>88811269
>Are you fucking stupid?
Crazy stupid fine!

>>88810968
Also captain boomerang using his boomerangs like knives and slip knot not getting introduced at all

>>88811255
I actually rather like the idea.
They could have it take place in one of DC's fictional countries like Bialya or Qurac or Kahndaq or Markovia.

>>88811289
Creativity? In my DCEU?

>>88811283
He was the guy who could climb ANYTHING!

>>88811306
Can he climb out of his grave?

>>88811229
>And he has pals

At this point just WW.

>>88811310
I need friends
t. Batman

>>88811313
No, Flash needs friends.

>>88811320
The joke remains as bad either way.

>>88811038
>If you loved Deadpool then wait till you get a load of THIS guy!

>>88811306
He should have been mentioned in the dinner chat just like the other dudes. Most people i watched the film with didn't even know who he was when he died

>>88811118
>This, the threat was way beyond the scope of the squad.

The funny thing is the after-credits scene shows Waller having info on all the JL members. She could have created the JL instead of SS but she didn't.

>>88811289
Any of those would do great.

>LexCorp scientist has fled to Markovia, which is hosting an international conference/ peace talks
>Behind the scenes at this conference, various Mega corps, criminal organisations and governments are bidding for the Doomsday data.
>The Squad is assembled (maybe with a few missions under their belt?) and sent in, with the cover of being a group of villains who has teamed up to steal the data for their own profit.
>They storm in, but mission goes pare shaped when another group of villains beats them to it, kidnaps the scientist and acquires the (encrypted) data
>Innocents caught in the crossfire
>Drama and character development
>etc

>>88811358
She couldn't control the JL. To principled and to damn powerful.

Is there a single drop of blood in this whole movie?
I've watched the Extended a couple of times and I cannot remember any.
Just a few people getting CGI corrupted.

And Slipknot's head turning into black smoke for some raisin.

I mean, people bleed in the family-fun Avengers movie.

>>88811374
Harley has a few minor scrapes.

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>Native American

>Gets killed by a White American Soldier

Really makes you think

>>88811390
Suicide Squad is problematic.

>>88811390
>Has mastered the various deadly uses of ROPE!

>Gets recruited to fight ancient Demonic Gods bent on ravaging the planet.

Poor guy.

Why the hell would Harley go along with Waller at the end if Joker already deactivated the lolnanite bomb? She could have killed Waller on the spot and the entire SS team would be free.

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>>88811406
They didn't even get him some deadly monomolecular rope or Wonder Woman's spare magic rope. They sent this poor bastard to die with a grapnel gun and a coil of nylon.

Hrrrm.

>>88809717
watched it yesterday night and I also enjoyed it. I thought bvs was much worse.

>>88811415
For the same reason the demon with unlimited teleportation wouldn't just grab her heart from the open briefcase and leave.

>>88811406
I wonder if you could even choke one of those soldier things to death.
What was he supposed to do, lasso them?

What was Slipknot even supposed to do against the putties?
They don't have faces or mouths, he can't strangle them...

>>88811451
>>88811447
He could climb to the High Ground.

>>88811451

Other than Deadshot and El Diablo nobody else was really required.

>>88811469
Had they brought a few heavy weapons specialists and a few armed drones, the Special Forces could have handled everything.

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How do you guys feel about Harley and Joker being an actual romance?

>>88811150

True. Viola Davis did a damn good job with what she was given. Best character in the film.

>>88811489
Or one Cruise Missile. Maybe a second one to blow the magic CGI spectacle after the first one destroys the siblings.

>>88811489
Or just smash them with fast air from 30,000.

I have no idea why they sent tanks and helicopters in when they could have nailed the fuckers with a JDAM from a few miles up.

>>88811503
It's noteworthy that they had time to stage and launch an attack with tanks, how long were they tearing the city up?

>>88811493
Sick.

Can anyone tell me why the helicopter that Amanda Waller escaped from was shooting some kind of flares before it gets shot down by enchantress? That scene was confusing.

>>88811503
I mean the squad basically walked in and threw a bomb at them. Shitty delivery system.

The reason you send the squad is because you need people on site, but there was no need for that.

>>88811516
Well Incubus was let loose in the early morning IIRC, and the Squad arrived at night, so at least 12-14 hours?

>>88811493
I was ok with that actually, and with joker in the EE.

Crazy Criminal Gangster, thats fine by me.

>>88811544
This. I didn't expect the Joker to be the least terrible thing about this movie.

>>88810968
>> WHATS THAT COLOGNE? THE SMELL OF DEATH? LOL KEK A+ WRITING
I think "talk about a killer app" was worse.

>>88810968
>enchantress "dancing"
Yeah, that definitely did not look right, just came off as silly instead witchy or spooky.

The entire subplot with the prison guard captain being in the Jokers pocket was dropped halfway through the movie.

>>88811363
>>88811289
>>88811255
>Bunch of hungover anons on new years day come up with a better plot in 20 mins than WB execs did in 30.

>>88811604
So this is the power of love?

>>88810968
> 0 time to get to know the characters
Except for those flashbacks with the silly letters and the movie, or do you want this movie to go over 5 hours with a detailed backstory for every character? This isn't a videogame nor is it a comic book.

>will smiff's daughter apparently a-ok with her dad going to prison even though he's all she has
She has the mom and she doesn't want her dad to get his ass destroyed by Batman.

> killer croc is a skinny manlet
You would prefer a CGI character? Or do you want to hire a big guy and waste money in a chracter with 3 lines?

> croc serves no purpose
He's there for the Batfags and he was the one who detonated the bomb that killed Enchantress nii-san

> army men mysteriously vanish
They exploded and died in the multiple fights

> everyone acting shocked that harley killed 2 monsters in elevator right after the group including her killed like 80
They were busy killing 80 monsters instead of looking at her while she helped kill a few.

> enchantress looks like a power rangers villain
>In a movie with where a guy can shoot in the wall and it ricochets into someone's eye
>In a universe where a man can fly, is strong and has eye lasers

> El Diablo turns into CLINKZ from dota
For the comic and videogame fags

> harley and jokers plan to get away in the helicopter which literally wouldnt have solved any problems any of the characters had at the moment
Except getting away from Amanda and her suicide mission.

Your nitpicking however points out the stuff wrong with the movie. A very mediocre movie.

>>88811616
Maybe, but I genuinely don't understand how WB has fucked up so badly with the DC movies. Half the problems come from executive meddling and rushed deadlines.

>>88811604
>Implying WB execs wasted as much as 30 minutes on this movie's plot

How does getting electrocuted and jumping into a chemical vat turn Harley crazy?

>>88811654
Because comic books.

>>88811654
she was already crazy, the trauma just broke down her defence mechanisms.

>WB fucks up Suicide Squad
>"Damn, I thought you guys were sick of dark shit?"
>"Yeah.....for heroes"
>"ok ok, we think we get it now"
>They make The Rogues complete psycho killers in the already doomed Flash movie
Screen cap this. WB only knows extremes.

>>88811654
She was already a weirdo then she was subjected to torture at the hands of her object of affection after getting a bunch of her coworkers killed then after that thrown in a vat of chemicals that is implied to be bad for you mental health

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>>88811677

>>88811654
She falls in love with the joker before any of that, so she was clearly crazy to begin with. Plus electro therapy will genuinely fuck you up.

>>88811677
>>WB fucks up Suicide Squad
>>"Damn, I thought you guys were sick of dark shit?"
>>"Yeah.....for heroes"
>>"ok ok, we think we get it now"
>>They make The Rogues complete psycho killers in the already doomed Flash movie
>Screen cap this. WB only knows extremes.

But Cpt Boomerang is already confirmed comic relief thanks to Suicide Squad.

>>88811685
Now let's guess about the baby-eating villainy we are about to witness.
>>88811692
So they'll just have to try extra hard with the rest.

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YOU DON'T WANT NO BEEF?

>>88809717
id like to see the Ayer's original version

>>88811527
Trailer shot, nothing more. Why the fuck did they even need the squad when airspace was clear to extract Waller? The only air threat was the sky magic laser and it was out of range, not to mention Incubus only tentacle raped choppers who got close. Moreover, why is there like 3 helicopter crashes in this movie yet no one gets hurt?

>>88811654

It doesn't the electrocution thing really fucking annoyed me.

Joker uses Harley as a tool he gives her just enough love and attention she wants to do things for him. He doesn't need to torture her to turn her crazy hes got her so madly in love with him he can ask her to bring him a gun into Arkham and she will.

The throwing her into the vat thing was just taking the new 52 origin for her where that happens for no fucking reason but Joker realizing he has some kind of love for her that he jumps in after her was a nice touch.

>>88811648
The DC films being bad is completely to be expected. The surprising thing is that the Marvel films aren't equally awful. Executive meddling and tight deadlines clearly happens with both but, against all the odds, the Marvel films are somehow not terrible. It's bizarre. I kind of assume that Feige sold his soul to the devil.

>>88811654
How does jumping into a chemical vat turn Joker crazy?

He wasn't even electrocuted.

>>88811711
>why is there like 3 helicopter crashes in this movie yet no one gets hurt?
The miracle of seatbelts.

>>88811749
He was DAMAGED

>>88811692
>what is backpedaling
Wouldn't be surpised if they said Boomer was kicked out for being soft

Why has Batfleck toned the violence down so much in SS? Joker, Deadshot, Harley and Croc should all be dead by BvS standards.

>>88811777
Yeah but you see he found Jesus (Superman for those who didn't get he was the second coming) and now he doesn't kill anymore.

>>88811736
>Joker realizing he has some kind of love for her that he jumps in after her was a nice touch.
I did like that moment, the implication that he either planned all along to kill her and then thought better of it, or was planning to save her and then in the moment almost decided not to. It really gets across the idea that the joker is constantly swaying between wanting to get rid of Harley or keeping her around.

>>88811777
They were captured before he went killhappy due to seeing the Zod battle

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>>88811738
>Executive meddling and tight deadlines clearly happens with both
Marvel only really steps in when a Director starts playing with his own dick and it's a problem for the entire MCU (See: Wright, Edgar).

Of course the creative coordinators (who are not Disney Suits) keep things thematically compatible; the directors going in know they are just sewing a single patch onto the greater quilt of the MCU.

They made every attempt to neuter their "villains" didn't they? Comic Lawton would have shot Harley no problem. Also
>"I don't shoot women/kids"
Is bullshit. Which I'd hate to sound like an edgelord, but I've seen Lawton not give a shit about that kind of thing.

>>88811736
>It doesn't the electrocution thing really fucking annoyed me.
Electro shock can genuinely give you mental problems.

Plus, she's clearly crazy before that. The film never actually says "she's crazy because of the electro-shock." I don't know why people are complaining about this. I can't believe I'm defending this train-wreck, but if you're going to complain, then complain about the many, many, actual problems the film has.

>Batman
>Using a kid as a shield

Bravo WB

>>88811852
>We're bad guys, remember?
Except when they're not at all.

>>88811796

From what i understand of all the stuff they shot for her origin it makes that way clearer. One of the things i hate is people who think Harley is just abused by the Joker and her love is never returned in some way. Joker treats Harley as property but its HIS property and he does have some weird way he cares about her and returns her love even if its just enough to keep her around.

>>88811856

Oh i know it can fuck you up super bad but the way that its presented normal fans who don't know her origin think she just got tricked by the Joker and then gets some electro shocks and is crazy now.

It was a needless scene they had for no real reason it just goes look joker is bad he does bad thing to her it plays to the Harley is a victim crowed more than anything.

Your right though we should complain about far worse things like every line of dialogue Harley has except for 1 is fucking garbage and cringey.

>>88811821
As much as I like Edgar, it serves him right on what happened with Ant Man. Fucker had years to get things rolling and he refused to stay in canon. He's also the reason why Ant Man/Wasp didn't appear in Avengers

>>88811945
Wait, they were working on Antman that long?

>>88811821
Pfft, no. How many director's have quit working with Marvel, like three or four at this point? Are you sincerely expressing that you think the executive know better than the directors? Like I said, it's a miracle that none the Marvel films are genuinely awful, but they all show massive signs of interference. None of them are as good as they could be, given more freedom and time. Wright's ant-man would have been a better film. Favreaus's unmeddled with version of iron-man 2 would have been a better film. Thor 2 two directed by a film director instead of telly director probably would have been better. All of their could have been better, it is clear as day as that almost every one of them as suffered from executive meddling and time constraints.

>>88811863
That entire scene pisses me off.
>Batman willingly creating a situation that puts a child at risk
>Add the fact that his own childhood trauma would likely prevent him from inflicting that on another
>Deadshots daughter does the cliche meat shield bit so daddy doesn't shoot Batman. Even though a kid her age would likely be in denial about her dad's profession and would make every excuse to defend her dad/keep him out of prison.

>>88811972
People like Kenneth Brannagh were hired to direct a movie, not set off on some Nolan-esque endeavor to do a trilogy. He was never "fired".

>>88811969
Started before any other film actually back in 2006 2011-2012 is when they really ran into problems with Wright not getting the job done.

>>88811995
Especially odd with further confirmation that Batman in this universe is a violence prone lunatic.

Kid should be scared to death of Batman.

>>88812056
What exactly did Wright do for those six years?

>>88811885
Hhmm, yeah, definitely one of the problems with SS is that it's the Harley Quinn origin film but it really isn't. She deserves to be introduced in a big part of some batman/joker film, not blatantly shoved into a team film. Harley on the squad makes sense but only if she's already been established. It could work, it could be part of a semi-redemptive, post joker arc for her, if they want to go that way, but with what we got there's no reason for her to be in the film, other than to shove in a batman character and give an excuse for the joker to be there, because he has literally nothing to do with the plot.

>>88812073
Faffing about with his own films.

Delayed shooting on Ant-Man so he could finish Worlds End.

>>88812084
Which also ended up being kind of shitty. Was it worth it man? Was it worth it?

>>88812090
No, not really. Yea the other two films were offbeat. But Space Aliens

Where the hell does that come from?

I mean I would have liked to see his take had he been able to come to grips with "New Boss says you need to have certain establishing points."

>>88812084
>>88812073

Wright consistently delays Ant-man and Marvel/Disney allow it because they believe hes the man for the job and hes going to deliver a fucking great Antman movie.

Completely destroys all plans for Phase 2 as they have to keep changing things. Ant-man was meant to be the first movie post Avengers Then be somewhere in the middle then be the very last movie before Ultron.

Then Wright goes i want to go do the worlds end and even after all these delays Marvel still let him go do it pushing it to after Ultron and just going with Tony made Ultron.

Then when he comes back Marvel ask for some changes to be made so things can fit in better with where the film is placed and to help it fit in with the universe better he refuses and quits.

>>88811852
They cast Will Smith, what did you expect? He's clearly meant to be the most likeable, normal member of the squad, with a redemption arc.
But yes, it is a departure from the comics, where he is clearly beyond redemption, though he does have just enough of a remnant of conscience to feel a little guilty about the fact that he doesn't actually have a conscience. But hey, it's an adaptation, you should never go in expecting 100% accuracy. I think that the film's interpretation is still a compelling character.

They didn't really tone down anybody else, though. I mean, Croc still eats people. You're just being hyperbolic.

>>88812145
>Then Wright goes i want to go do the worlds end and even after all these delays Marvel still let him go do it pushing it to after Ultron and just going with Tony made Ultron.
So that's his fault too? Damn.

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>>88812167
Yes.
You lose Pym and Janet and gain "Muh Uterus" and "Lol, I'm just a guy with a bow", all of it on Wright's shoulders.

>>88812145
Where are you getting all this? I'd like a source. From my understanding, Ant-Man was never a part of the Marvel's plan.

>>88812147

Just wish Will Smith didn't always fucking suck when he goes for Drama. Either shit accents or he sounds like he's getting over the Flu or some shit.

And I don't get it. MiB3 had some great emotional dramatic moments and he did good. But when he's in an actual drama or serious movie in general, yeesh.

>>88812190

Dude it was a plan so fucking early Ant-man was announced in 2006 with Wright attached.

Ant-man and Wasp were at one point going to be in Avengers but Feige and Wright agreed to leave them out so he could introduce them.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/03/timeline-of-ant-mans-troubled-production.html

That article is a pretty good rundown of what occurs.

>>88811320
Batman needs friends too, whether he admits it or not

>>88812147
Really?
>Boomerang isn't a misogynistic racist and comes back for next to no reason after bomb disarm (insert boomerang joke)
>Film really wants you to forget that Harley is psychotic killer just below Joker. It's ok because she's funny/tragic

>>88812223
They basically started on Ant-Man in 2001. Fucking hell.

>>88812009
I wasn't talking about Brannagh. I was talking about Patty Jenkins. But no, we got a telly guy who went on to be the director of Terminator Genisys instead.
That choice alone just shouts out to the rooftops that they just wanted a workman-like drone who would do what he was told.
You have to face it, the MCU is extruded movie product. They are miraculously enjoyable extruded movie product, but that is what they are, and they would certainly be better if they weren't. The Avengers are blockbusters that are shot like soap operas because they just don't have the fucking time to do any better.

>>88812274
What exactly would you expect them to be?

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I liked Suicide Squad... but yes, it was shit.

Despite the little most of them had to do, I liked the actors, and I also liked the underground/neo punk/edgetacular style the movie was going for.

Plot, pacing and dialogues were mostly a mess. The actors had charisma, but little way to show it off... look at how many people liked Boomerang (me included) despite the fuck he didn't do shit.

So, a new SS movie simply needs a better script to be actually good, but I kind of lost hope for those kind of things to happen anymore.


Also, toilet witch was hot.

>>88812235
>Boomerang isn't a misogynistic racist
There were scenes of Boomerang being both of those, but got cut together with AbusiveJoker.

>>88812306
>Also, toilet witch was hot.

Well up until she turned into a CGI Light Show for some reason.

>>88809717
I don't understand how people could think this is a good movie. Like maybe people could find it enjoyable but how could you try to say it's good as a medium. Fucking retarded.

>>88809717
Hate is a strong word. This movie wasn't worth hating. It was boring and toothless. I wanted the squad to be badder than they were. Anyone who wasn't Harley and Boomerang could have been replaced from scene to scene and it wouldn't have affected me.

Diablo's arc was telegraphed as fuck and I never really felt hyped for it. He never really earned the win to me. It was just something that was going to happen as soon as the movie told you he doesn't like using his powers.

>>88811635
He's not even nitpicking. The movie was so fucking bad he could have gone way further.

>>88812306
>Ayer had Cara get in character by running naked in a forest, howling at the moon

I'm starting to think Tarantino should have done this movie

>>88812235
He was clearly misogynistic and the villains coming together as a family is the point of the film. It's not earned but it is the point of the film that they care enough to not just let each other die by the end of film.
And I don't think the film wants you to forget that Harley is a psycho killer. Most of the characters are psycho killers. Evan Waller, is a psycho killer. They're just sympathetic anyway, because that's the entire concept of the film. They are villains, but they are somewhat likeable, fun-to-watch, villains. That's Suicide Squad.

>>88812416
Tarantino is too much of a weeb to adapt western comics.
He should do a live-action Black Lagoon though.

>>88811738
Marvel is hiring directors to take their vision and make it real.

WB execs have been the other way around, stepping in and getting directors to change things to suit what the suits thing would be better, inevitably creating a too many cooks situation.

>>88812418
>They are villains, but they are somewhat likeable, fun-to-watch, villains.
Only because they become a bunch of semi-harmless hoodlums who break store windows and destroy CGI mooks. The most villainous thing any of them do in the films is Deadshot's murdering of "Le Ebil Gangster" stereotype.

>>88812418
Look I know things aren't always black/white and a lot of hardcore villains possess some redeeming qualities, but it doesn't change the fact that these people are only villains because the film keeps telling us and WB plain missed the point of the suicide squad concept.

>>88809717
I liked it but it was a heavily flawed movie with a lot of problems
>shitty pop songs crammed in the soundtrack played at awkward moments
>incredibly shitty ending that is pretty much a hallmark for WB at this point
>the "we're a family" bit that couldn't be anymore cliched
>Enchantress' motives and actions being poorly thought out

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>>88811972
>Wright's ant-man would have been a better film

>>88811885

I dunno, his actions in Mad Love clearly gave that impression. It's been slowly changed over time but those actions and others stuck with most readers who followed her since BTAS.

>>88812145

If this is true then Im annoyed with the fucker too now.

>>88812806
It's true, read this shit>>88812223

>>88812806
Wright-sympathy here was mainly pushed by DCfriends and their "Disbney is an ebil Jew Corporation and anyone at odds with them is automatically a hero" bullshit.
Wright was just a procrastinating Prima Donna.

>>88810968
>> constant loop of pop music that never stops

That seemed like it was the result of studio meddling, along with all of the reshoots. They originally shot a grittier movie, but the studio executives wanted it to be reshot and repackaged to capitalize on the success of more light-hearted superhero movies like Guardians of the Galaxy.

>>88812850
As a former Wrightfag, I mostly pushed this because I really liked Hot Fuzz.

>>88812869
Wasn't Suicide Squad greenlit because of GOTG?

>>88812911
And then it turned out to be more popular than Super Jesus Man.

>>88811367
That wouldn't even matter for the events of the movie. Just shoot them a text like "Hey guys there's this evil witch lady trying to destroy the world, could y'all come by real quick?" and then Flash or someone could instantly take Enchantress out. Having a controllable team doesn't really matter if there's no Earth for it to exist on.

>>88812978
Yeah point.

Which is why
>>88811363
Is a better idea for the Squad, its the sort of mission that makes sense for them to be deployed upon.

>>88811269
>A comic book adaptation that's also a heist movie? Are you fucking stupid? There's no way that could possibly work.
>Get the fuck out of here.
Who said that would not work?

What are your thoughts on the animation Attack on arkham?

>>88813058
Assault*

>>88813058
>>88813082
Better than this. Breddy gud.

what does the Extended Edition add anyways?

>>88813222
Da Jokah, baby!

received the blu-ray for Christmas never watched the movie before last night watched the extended cut. it's a decent and fun movie like a less awesome guardians of the galaxy. besides this is /co/ every talk is like a knife fight

>>88812199
Because he built his entire career on a "blockbuster formula". He and some advisors would look at past year(s) biggest movies and determine which scripts to accept. Sprinkle in some mopey dramas here and there and you have safe, family friendly Will Smith. He wants that Oscar? Then he's going to have to go against type sometime soon.

>>88811995
What put the icing on the fucking cake?

He did it in an alley at night on a stroll from bonding time, much like his own fucking parents.

Does batman not have any sense of irony?

>>88813230

Can you be more specific? Does he actually get to do something useful besides rescue Harley from prison? Does is make their relationship seem darker than the theatrical version of the movie?

Do any of the other squad members get more development?

>>88813408
I don't know, I just know they cut lots of his scenes so I assumed they put those back in.

>>88813408
I haven't watched it, but screenrant has a list of changes.

http://screenrant.com/suicide-squad-extended-cut-new-scenes-differences/?view=all

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>>88810968
>> joker and harley car chase at a whopping 35 miles per hour

>>88812869
>studio executives wanted it to be reshot and repackaged to capitalize on the success of more light-hearted superhero movies like Guardians of the Galaxy.

This is probably why they got the guys who made the Guardians of the Galaxy trailers to edit their whole movie.

>>88809717
>Just watched the fixed version of this that people had to pay again just to see since WB is a bunch of shills

fixed

Fun flick

aint much else to say

hopefuly Gcs is better

>>88810968
>enchantress "dancing"
>implying
Its fucking magic it was not meant to look smooth jesus christ how dense can you people be the jerkyness was the best fucking part of the movie and gave me real hope for justice league dark.

>>88811050
God that made me mad
It was such a perfect fucking character establishing moment and they fucking ruined it by bringing him back.

>>88814723
The cartoon?
Because live-action JLD died off as a project quite a while ago.

>>88814750
I meant the live action
I am semi excited for the cartoon film but the presence of batman has me a little worried and while the runes looked great visualy they semed to indicate they would be on literaly every spell instead of just a few and thats sure to get annoying. I just hope john is not to blasty

>>88814814
To clarify i love batman but it really seems like they are just putting him into jld because he sells
His whiny skepticism is going to be a huge drain on the film

>>88814814
Justice League Dark is dead as a live movie.
You get WW and Justice League for sure, Flash has been pushed off for more Harley adventures, Batman...and then probably more Batman related stuff.
I can honestly see Aquaman and Flash never getting made, Shazam, Cyborg and JLD are solidly in the "not happening" category.

>>88809717
>Why did people hate it exactly?
Because the theatrical version was a complete mess.

>>88809717
Will Smith.

>>88814940
>"The extended apology cut fixed it"

Nope, sorry.

>>88813275
Or just abuse himself enough that they feel sorry for him and give it to him before he actually kills himself.

That's how Dicaprio got his.

Poor bastard could never get to that top till he near froze himself to death.

>>88814955

Get an "A lister" and proceed to ruin the movie making them the main character nobody wanted.

The whole DC movieverse is fucked up with all the "it was a dark and angsty night" emofest that was Batman V. Superman. It's no wonder everyone is rooting for the villains now. At least they still have some fun.

>>88809717
It's a bunch of trailers cut together.

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>>88815212
Apparently in the entire history of DC, there's not a single story that is worth translating into a cohesive movie narrative.
So they just create terrible OC plots and characters, and slap scenes from "that one comic you remember" here and there to legitimize it as being "comic book" at all.

>>88810968
I agree with this. Really enjoyed captain boomerang, wasted chatacter.

>>88812223
You are really misrepresenting events there. You're making it sound like Wright is the reason the film didn't happen for so long but it's the opposite, he's the only reason they made it at all. No one gave a shit about ant-man other than Wright. For fuck's sake, the fact that they went ahead and made the film without him implies that if Marvel had wanted the film made earlier, they would have made it earlier. For fuck's sake, look at how they have treat directors, do you really think that Marvel would really delay a film purely because they wanted to wait for a specific director? Do you really think they would allow that? Considering how many times they have gotten rid of a director or stomped all over one's wishes. Does any of that really suggest to you that they would allow a director that power? Really? Blaming a director when you're talking about a studio that so blatantly, so obviously gives zero power to their director's is insane. Marvel Studios is very clearly a studio that is willing to shit all over a director to get what they want. And it's worked out really well for them, even from a critical standpoint the films are pretty good, but that is undeniably how they operate. Feige rules his studio with an iron fist. Blaming Wright is just obscene. Wright wishes he had that much power, he wishes he had that much control over whether or not Ant-Man got made, because if had, he probably would have actually got to direct the film that he so clearly put so much effort into making happen.

>>88812303
Not shot like soap operas.
I want to watch a Marvel film and come away thinking about how good it was, not about how good it was in spite of all the blatant meddling and obviously rushed production.

>>88812850
Oh fuck off. You are delusional.

>>88809717
I don't get why they made a big deal about forming a black ops team with bad guys only to have the problem they solve be a generic stock plot that any hero team can do.

WB took the most interesting aspect of the premise and tossed it out. And what's worse, this is the third time in a row they've done it.

>>88809717
The first act is too rushed and chaotic, the whole Enchantress freeing her brother thing was like the beginning of Transformers 2.
Then act 2 is like a cut to a different story where they get the squad geared up and organized and then into the city, followed by a pretty decent finale where they beat her and save the day.
Honestly thought, it feels like nothing happens until then though, they just introduce the characters and give you a feel for there personalities for the first two thirds of the movie while having them do a bunch of trailer bait scenes.

I also think they shouldn't have used her as a villain, at least for the majority of the movie. She should have held back and been the freaky, silent, recon person while they did another missio, going off the rails in the final act and proving herself to be niggered than they all had anticipated (Waller included).

Besides that, there's just some picky things about the Joker for me that a lot of people seem to agree upon. Jared Leto came off as more try hard teenager trying to be the Joker than actually being the Joker. His voice was annoying.

They had some good ideas, but I would have done it differently. His outfit was alright but not really him, I honestly think they should have had him appear in a different outfit in every scene to showcase his ever changing personality.
I didn't like that Lambo they gave him either, to me it should have been a purple Dragula. I think it would have been hilarious to have that scene where Harley's chasing him open with him driving, listening to the instrumental from the old Adam West tv show while Harley pulls up beside him, then having him feign disinterest and turning away from her like: "Oh, not this nut job."

>>88811255
>There was no reason to suspect the ship might summon Zod,
There's no reason to expect turning on a millenia old piece of alien technology would turn out perfectly okay. It's just kind of inconsistent with the paranoid and somewhat fearful tone of human/alien interaction that the movie built up for the hour beforehand that Clark suddenly throws caution to the wind and starts pushing random buttons.

He had no reason to suspect the ship might summon Zod but he had no reason to suspect anything happen or not happening. That was the entire point, you don't know, something bad MIGHT happen, so be infinitely careful.

Except, apparently when the "right time" comes, which only seems to be when the plot necessitates it otherwise it'll spin its wheels indefinitely.

>>88815959
Well it wasn't random,there was a shield shaped slot and he had the key for it.

If anything, its AI jor-els fault.

>>88815916
Really the whole dynamic he had with Harley was done wrong, he should have been giving her that flutter shy, wounded gazelle shtick while in Arkham, teasing at an innocent little boy underneath before getting out and immediately discarding her, then eventually coming to accept her presence as he realized she was completely devoted to him, in a play to stroke his narcissistic ego.
He should have only gone after her after a henchmen reported Harley's whereabouts as a tertiary thought, struggling to tell him while he cuts him off and acts disinterested at every turn, only when he tells him that Amanda Waller sends a message for him saying "She's Mine Now." or something to that effect should he actually want to get her back because someone else stole one of his toys.

>>88815985
Sorry for the shitty grammar and such
I'm on my phone and that was a bitch to type out

>>88811635
>You would prefer a CGI character?
Now you've made me think of Killer Croc with the proportions of Colossus and yeah, that'd be pretty okay.

>>88816010

There are some characters like Croc that you almost have to do CGI for in order for them to be suitably large and imposing. Also, if they had done CGI, they could have given him a larger, more crocodile-like mouth like he has in the comics and that would have made him more menacing. In the movie, he looked like a regular-sized guy with bad skin in a hoodie.

>>88810968
Most of these things are non-issues.

>>88815984
I own a car. My car is 15 years old.
I have a key for that car.
Two weeks ago there was a leak in the transmission line. so I almost got into a car accident. I could turn it on just fine using my key, but bad things still happened when I did.

Clark's space car is THOUSANDS of years old. Just because he has a key doesn't mean it would be fine. He should've been more cautious than he was.

>>88810915
Batman vs Superman is the best cape movie of 2016
Green Lantern was basically a Marvel movie

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>>88816061
nigga he's a cunt with a sin disease, at the end of the day ss croc was accurate as fuck

>>88811390
natural order restored

>>88816608
>sin
skin disease sorry

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>>88811863

>Batman
>Using a kid as a shield

>>88811367
>Too principled

But she doesn't know that. As far as she knows, one is a bum and the other is a kid who needs money

>>88810968
still better than Civil War

>>88816061
If you think about it they COULD save alot of this shit in the sequel.

They could make Croc bigger by doing the Arkham route and say his mutation got worse over time.

They could have Deadshot adapt his 'death wish' persona by having it that they've decided to cut his time with his daughter completely or that she sees him for the killer he is and he's lost the will to live due to it.

Diablo could come back via the usual comic-tier BS. Hasn't he been shot in the head and still come back before?

The DCEU could try to use their mistakes and shape them into something suitable in a sequel or so. But they won't because suits think they know everything and if you speak down to them they'll either ignore you or fire your ass.

>>88819578
Ditch Croc, bring in King Shark

>>88819628
If they do King Shark they'll probably do the Assault on Arkham version instead of giving us a shark humanoid.

>>88811635
You don't need backstories to get to know or like characters.

You can just give good focus on their personality and interactions. Which Squad did not do.

>>88811738
Feige knows how to play the game. As vapid as the Marvel films can be, Feige knows how to smooth everything and everyone over and win trust. It helps that Marvel is it's own studio doing it's own thing too.

Marvel also hires lackeys to direct their films now.TV directors and compliant hacks. Some creative people like Gunn can play ball, but they burned through a lot of talent to get to that point.

WB and DC are getting these great creative people (And Zack Attack Snyder) and telling them "NO Don't be original! Do it the way we want!" and then they're ripping the movies apart non-stop during filming and after. Wonder Woman is rumored to be another mess because the execs couldn't just let the director do what she wanted.

>>88811363
Everyone says that a plot like this would have been better and you know why because this is basically the plot of the first issue of Suicide Squad. WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST STILL THE PLOT OF THE FIRST ISSUE!?!?

>>88820128
Because they wanted a huge, high stakes action movie and they were going to get it.

>>88820187
And that's the biggest problem with Skwad.

It wasn't right. It needed to be Ocean's 11 but instead it was just another destroy the city movie.

>>88814566
YER DRIVING LIKE A BAT OUT OF HELL!!!

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>>88811320
I'll be your friend, Barry.

>>88811150
You can't just blow up Will Smith anon! Do you know how big a name he is?

>>88815309
Why is WB so goddamn ashamed of the Batfamily? We're not going to get a single fucking one of them again.

>>88820435
They should have gone with Karl Urban, I heard he was the original selection for Deadshot. But I guess they felt they needed A-list star power or some shit and made the worst choice.

>>88811118
What about the Joker busting into what he thought was a chemical warehouse stumbles on a government hideout and takes a sealed case that contains sensitive information that the government worked with Lexcorp to develop weapons to kill Superman and other info like the Task Force X and how to disable the neck bomb. Joker decides that he wants billion dollars from them or else he releases the info in 24 hours to the public.

That way, we can have Harley in the film used by Waller to be bait and Waller originally just wanted to kill both of them once she got the data back using someone like Deadshot because he never missed.

>>88811777
I would've liked it if they showed Batman going apeshit on Joker during a flashback after he killed Jason to help establish Batman turning into horrible murderman.

>>88820780
I like it, but I'd save joker from being the main antagonist just yet, save that for a while. Maybe serpent society or something.

>>88813366
>Does batman not have any sense of irony?

Maybe he was trying to create a batgirl-lite without the whole messy dead parents thing.

You can tell Suicide Squad was re-edited to shit

Why WB insists on not putting recuts in their home releases is beyond me, I would have liked to see the cut they used before they got a trailer house to do it

>>88820241
>It needed to be Ocean's 11.
I really want to see that now, a suicide squad heist film.

>>88811406
He might come in handy for the actual mission they were assigned to though, which was to climb and get Waller out of a skyscraper and get the hell out of dodge...

>Waller gathers a group of superheroes to stand up to possible "threats" like Superman
Yes, surely deadshot's bullets will save us from Superman.

>>88809717
not marvel
so bad

>>88822148
yeah, Slipknot can tie him up real good too

>>88822148
I mean, a guy that throws ninja stars in the shapes of bats took him down...

>>88822173
climb all over him

>>88822178

What would Batman's plan be against a Superman that goes on a Zod-like don't-give-a-fuck rampage throughout Earth? What could a guy that shoots guns well, girl with make-up and a bat, bad skin condition hoodie, dime store Human Torch, backwoods Australian hick, and rope man do against a threat that can turn them into a fine pink mist before they can even blink? The only one that stands out would be Enchantress, and I doubt even she would be enough.

>>88817885
Hey, it worked at least once in this setting.

As confirmed by this movie.

At the bit where it says someone murdered Robin.

...Yeah,the character that is one half of the main focus, she's the one that murdered him so oops.

The movie was bad, they should have just made it about stopping the Joker + stealing something that's well protected by a highly trained criminal organization.

Harley would have had something to do, the plot would have been at the appropriate power level, Croc could have played strongman instead of just throw a bomb.

>>88809717
Logo was blue instead of red. This triggers the Mouseketeers

>>88822169
This.


>>88822173
>>88822148
If you watched the movie you'd know the answer to this.

>>88810983
>Only good point was Waller actually did shit.

Everything she did was retarded tho

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>>88811738
>Executive meddling and tight deadlines clearly happens with both but, against all the odds, the Marvel films are somehow not terrible. It's bizarre. I kind of assume that Feige sold his soul to the devil.

What Marvel films have to their advantage is that Feige, and old-time fan of comic books that knows his way around what works in a movie and what doesn't, knows how to tread the line, and most of all, knows just how much leeway to give a director so that their vision isn't entirely compromised, but where to step in and say "No, you need to do [this] instead." He knows what he's doing, and he knows what his audience will respond well to.

WB suits just don't have that level of god-tier judgement. They don't have a Feige. The most they have is an Affleck, but he's too busy being Batman to handle anything outside of Batman.

>>88814934
>aquaman
>not happening
They have spent almost a decade carefuly building him up there not going to discard the climax of that effort

>>88811390
Sometimes I kinda feel sorry for this guy. You can tell he is a decent actor, but it feels like the director has no idea what to do with him in many of his movies.

>moviefags

Absolutely pathetic.

>>88823654

Deadshot makes sense being there. Great marksman and all that jazz. Could probably kill Kryptonians if Batman didn't bogard all the green K. Really, everyone fits well except for Harley, but she's there because they need a skank (Plastique and Nightshade aren't cool enough, apparently) and they need someone that normies would know other than Batman.

>>88816093
>shitty writing is a non-issue

>>88811406
The mission was auctualy to retrive waller

>>88811493
>How do you guys feel about Harley and Joker being an actual romance?

I thought that I hated it because the Joker shouldn't be capable of love, but then I remembered that he's in love with Batman. So it's fine.

>>88824746
>Everyone fits well except for Harley

Justify your claims. This anti-Harley maymay is completely out of hand.

>>88825062
So you freely admit to not reading comics.

>>88811493
Joker auctualy caring has always been something that comes and gos although rarely to this extent.
I think its allright maybe have him get a little frustrated with her sometimes

>>88811400

Latin cholo, Asian samurai warrior, Killer Croc asking for BET channel. We were only missing an Arab.

So which was worse cgi, Incubus or Doomsday?

>>88809717
It's not D*sney, so /co/ hates it.

>>88809717
50% boring
50% cringe

Jared Leto was the best/worst part of the movie. It was embarrassing to watch him.

>>88825786
Harley had no skills on the level of the other memebers of the team.

Only thing she brought was supposedly knowing the Joker but seeing that he had no real reason to be part of the film when they could have gotten better members.

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>>88824068

All this

>>88819523

No.

>>88819523
Tell that to the box office.

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>>88809717
People defending this movie:

>Poor writing is not a problem
>Poor pacing is not a problem
>Poor timing is not a problem
>Poor edit's is not a problem
>Poor action is not a problem
>Poor plot is not a problem

>>88827287
Dude, just turn off your brain bro.

>>88827000
Yea WB doesn't understand "That Batman comic thing" contains a lot more than just Batman.

And could be put to good use.

>>88827300
Never understood the feasibility of that statement. Sure I want to be entertained but I also want to be engaged by a good story.

Something I can watch repeatedly and even though I know the good guy wins its told well enough to make me believe differently.

>>88825786
Being able to swing a baseball bat isn't viable when you're expected to go up against fucking Superman.

Croc could theorhetically survive one or two hits, Katana has a magical sword that could bypass his defenses, Diablo could probably beat Superman if we assume his powers were magical and not just meta-human bullshit like Pyro or the Human Torch, Deadshot and Capt. Boomerang could theorhetically get equipped with kryptonite laced weapons to bypass Supe's defenses, the list goes on.

What's Harley's reason for being there if her only power is fucking the Joker?

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>>88819523
David pls go and stay go

>>88827469
Because she's so KUHREIZI that they'll never know what she can accomplish!

>>88827512
So's most of the Suicide Squad if we're being honest.

And she obviously can't do much considering she's an ordinary human who can't even stray too far because of the KILLER APP LOL!

>>88827532
B-but she's the bad guy though.

>>88827552
Well y'know what, there are plenty of female criminals that have been members of the suicide squad, many of which were just as physically attractive while having skills that would've better served an anti-Superman black ops team.

And if we're being honest here, Harley was too annoying to find attractive, like I understand the actress had a shit script to work with but every time she opens her mouth, I sympathize w/ Joker beating the shit outta her, and that's just sad.

You guys think WB will release an " extended" version for WW on bluray for the low low cost of 39.99 to fix the movie after it flops?

Why, WHY did the squad need an escort? Waller had surveillance on them, and could detonate remotely whenever she wanted. All the escort did was set up fodder for zombies, undermine the entire black ops covert stuff, and make Rick relevant because muh dirty witch waifu. And speaking of zombies, they act like their perfect soldiers to be exploited later after Enchantress is under control, yet they go down easy because the plot says the squad is that good. Holy fuck I hate this damn movie.

>>88827604
B-but she's so crazy though?

Seriously speaking though, Harley sucks and I wish she wasn't as popular as she is.

>>88827552
Not with a Sirens movie around the corner.

Really just get Dini to pen the damn thing and be done with it. Be the best film they've put out.

Also put it to release on Valentines day.

>>88827469
>Croc could theorhetically survive one or two hits

He'd be paste on the first hit, assuming Superman goes full genocide and starts punching heads off or heat visioning everyone, he just seems a bit tougher than humans, which means dick against Kryptonians.

>Katana has a magical sword that could bypass his defenses

Doesn't mean much if it isn't wielded by someone or something that could match Superman's speed without being as squishy as a human.

>Diablo could probably beat Superman if we assume his powers were magical and not just meta-human bullshit like Pyro or the Human Torch

Just seems like ordinary fire, also, unless the magical fire is special magical fire that burns anything, sure, otherwise it's just fire to Superman, which means it's useless.

>Deadshot and Capt. Boomerang could theorhetically get equipped with kryptonite laced weapons to bypass Supe's defenses, the list goes on.

Either they get extremely lucky and get him on the first shot by getting the drop on them, or else he's just going to speedblitz their heads off, and he'd much more than likely be aware of them well before they would be of him.

>What's Harley's reason for being there if her only power is fucking the Joker?

Plausible deniability or some shit. Combatwise, I'd rate one of those individual Seal member escorts higher than her by virtue of the fact that their standard kit kicks the shit out of a fucking baseball bat and a revolver.

Enchantress, assuming she is under control, makes nearly everyone totally redundant. She's the only one that can be a tangible threat to Superman to any significant extent.

>>88827631
The problem is that Harley's character is actually pretty good, it's just that a lot of shitty writers give her no reason for existing beyond being a sex symbol for thirsty betas.

Then again, this is a problem with a lot of comic book characters.

>>88827469
Why do people refuse to watch movies then complain about it?

Task Force X was not created to fight Superman. It was created to fight metahuman threats, and to have a government squad of superhero specialists in the government's pocket, and they make a point of saying that it isn't just anybody they want, but it's criminals they can specifically control and execute if necessary.

They LITERALLY tell you this in the movie. They LITERALLY show that Enchantress is to be used for government espionage. The threat of someone LIKE Superman was used as a reason for recruiting these people.

Harley is the next best thing to having Batman's nemesis on their team, Boomerang fought Flash (which if you'd watched the movie, you'd know, because Waller says "He has no powers, but he has experience with Metahumans",) Slipknot is an expert climber in a mission that requires them to get to the top of a building, El Diablo is one of the few straight-up metas they have, Deadshot has a daughter they can use, Waller pairs up Rick with June so he can use him... In fact, Katana is the only one they can't control because she's not even a part of the team at all; she's Rick's bodyguard and enforcer, so I don't know why the fuck you're bringing her up unless you didn't actually watch the movie.

Jesus Christ, are all Marvel fans brain damaged? How is it so hard for you people to watch movies? How is your comprehension so poor?

>>88827716
That honestly just speaks more about how poorly written the plot is than anything else.

I'm just playing Devil's advocate here but the reality is that nobody in the suicide squad could actually beat Superman in a fight besides enchantress and even she's a wildcard because she's difficult to control.

>>88827771
>Task Force X was not created to fight Superman
What if Superman tore off the roof of the White House and kidnapped the president?

>>88812377
>The movie was so fucking bad he could have gone way further.
EXAMPLE?

>>88827771
Waller made it a point to use Superman as the reason for why the Suicide Squad needed to be a thing though. That was the bulk of her premise, "what would happen if Superman tore off the roof of the white house and kidnapped the president?"

Also, you keep talking about how people like slipknot and enchantress was useful yet the former died a little into their first mission while the latter ended up becoming a Superman level threat in and of herself, only really being defeated due to bad writing.

>>88811099
Thought i was the only one who was reminded of Gozer.

>>88827828
That's why Waller needs someone bad enough to save him.

>>88827828


The Justice League would step in to try to stop him. Why would the government trust a bunch of bad guys to save the day. There just going to try to screw you over as soon as they have a chance.

>>88827771
Anon, while many are fully aware that the squad wasnt created to fight Supeman, the roster they had was still out of their fucking league against most metas that its stupid. Like Im fully aware COMIC Capt Boomerang is a Flash threat, but DCEU Boomerang has given us no reason to think he even poses a remote threat to Barry. Also that wasnt the point of the squad originally, it was meant to be off the books black ops goverment missions for doing questionable shit. Also Harley being the next best Batman threat? Read a book nigga

>>88827883
What Justice League? There's no Justice League.

Hey remember when Waller just gave a shit ton of info she complied on the possible Justice League members to Batman thus reminding us how shit of a detective he is in this universe?

>>88827931
WORLD'S. GREATEST. DETECTIVE.

>>88827931
Better to have Bruce stash that info than Waller

>>88827864
>Why did they add Slipknot to the team if they knew he was going to escape and get his head blown off?

Do you understand how fucking retarded you sound?

>>88827884
>Like Im fully aware COMIC Capt Boomerang is a Flash threat, but DCEU Boomerang has given us no reason to think he even poses a remote threat to Barry.

So you didn't watch the movie, then, because Waller explains this. At least you admit it.

>Also Harley being the next best Batman threat?

Tell me how many other people we saw stand alongside Joker and go up against Batman.

>>88827964
>Waller Explains this
Oh you mean the line "He encountered a metahuman and lived to tell the tale" right after we see Barry take him down with little to no effort? Because thats about participation ribbon tier qualification to be on this task force. But no, keep shouting the "You didnt watch it" meme like it means anything, and have the (you) you desperately want

>>88827931
And this is how Justice League: Doom starts

>>88827938

A lot of detective work hinges on gathering information from various sources, especially other people.

Not excusing DCEU's Batman being a relative meathead, but at least his acquisition from Waller is somewhat plausible, rather than having information on-hand just because.

>>88827964
>So you didn't watch the movie
But he is right. Cap Boomerang is fucking joke in this movie. He throws fucking boomerangs. He is literally useless. And this
>HE IS TOTALLY COOL WE BECAUSE WE SAID THAT IN INTRO xD
Doesn't help his image

>>88827964
So they basically hired "the man who could climb anything" just to kill him off into the first mission?

That's an extraordinary waste of resources if we're being practical here. At worse, the collars should've delivered a shock that turned deadly after three strikes or something. Plus, we all know that the only reason why he died was to show off why nobody could just fuck off in the middle of the mission and slipknot was someone who the audience cared the least about.

Hell, they handle Suicide Squad better within an episode of JLU and that's because they actually used them for the purposes they were designed to do while also allowing the threat of death (via execution) to hang over their heads should they fail or decide to fuck off somewhere.

Honestly, the plot's just all over the place here.

>>88827771
>Boomerang fought Flash (which if you'd watched the movie, you'd know, because Waller says "He has no powers, but he has experience with Metahumans",)
> "He has no powers, but he has experience with Metahumans"

So did every two-bit dickhead that was caught by Flash, what made him more special than anyone else, especially when he got punked like a bitch like anyone else would?

>>88828051
PINK UNICORNS! DUDE 'MEMBER DEADPOOL?

>>88811568
I agree. The jerky The Ring movements may have worked when the Enchantress looked like a voodoo witch doctor surrounded by fake as hell CGI smoke, but when she's half naked it looked very out of place.

>>88827268
Tell that to Zod's snapped neck.

>>88828065
probably because Captain Boomerang's been in the comics in the actual suicide squad before

>>88828129
What does that have to do with anything?

>>88810968

Lost my shit on the clinks one, can't unsee

>>88810968
> will smiff's daughter apparently a-ok with her dad going to prison even though he's all she has
Yes, and?

>>88828051
Boomer was really wasted potential. You could have done the "crazy trick shot guy with a silly but deadly weapon" thing by having him toss out half a dozen boomerangs at a time, catch them as they return so he can slice more throats with another throw kind of thing but what we got lacks any imagination. Hell you could have made up some bullshit excuse as to why Flash has trouble fighting him
>Digger makes his boomerangs so theyre naturally attracted to Barry's speedforce and thus keep following him until they explode
or some other science bullshit. Its at least something
>>88828163
Hes making a Chris Stuckman joke

>>88828008
>We need specialists who have experience with Metahumans that we can control
>"WAAAAHHHH WHY DID THEY HIRE THAT SPECIALIST WHO HAS EXPERIENCE WITH METAHUMANS THAT THEY CAN CONTROL?!"

>>88811775
this.
Remember the bar scene and the look on his face when Diablo tells them he killed a kid

>>88828139

Fucking duh, I know that, but the justification of "ass thrown into the clink by the Flash = has experience with metahumans" is a weaksauce excuse.

>>88828190
How does comic!Capt. Boomerang deal with the flash?

For that matter, how does any of Flash's rogues gallery deal with a man who can move 1000x the speed of light?

>>88828065
Because he was an expert bank robber with near-superhuman skills.

This is explained to you in the movie you refused to watch, my good Mouseshill.

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>>88828213
That's like saying that someone who got hit by a truck has "trucking experience".

>>88827300
I tried

But the poor editing was too distracting

>>88828072
>referencing Zombie South Park

are you 12?

>>88828190
Yeah, they could. But they were too busy copying GotG and making 12+ for teens. So, no comic accurate staff and violence here. Only COOL MUSIC AND QUIPS xDxD

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>>88828245
>Because he was an expert bank robber with near-superhuman skills.

Like the Master of Climbing?

>>88828264
>Zombie South Park
Pink-eye?

>>88828248
And Reeve was "horsing around".

Harley Quinn and the Joker were so fucking awful in this movie. Harley's humor was so cringeworthy, they remove pretty much all complexity from her character, and apparently being insane in the DCEU means acting like an 8 year old.

>>88827771
>are all Marvel fans brain damaged?

No, Joker is DAMAGED

It says that on his forehead

>>88828277
I guess they should have had that African Warlord Superman ran over as an "Experienced Metahuman Consultant".

>>88828245
>Expert bank robber
>Caught by the Flash within minutes of robbing a bank
Also, doesn't really mean a whole lot when we had "the master of climbing" who climbed himself into an early grave.

Or Harley Quinn, whose only defining trait is "being crazy, but fearless (lol)" and wearing hotpants.

>>88828293
Leto should kill himself.

>>88828309
Fortunately they were mainly up against monsters who could be beaten up by a medium sized girl wielding a wooden bat.

>>88828232
A lot of the Rogues are bullshit levels of OP like the Flash, its just that they waste time robbing banks with their skills.
>Captain Cold's gun creates an absolute zero environment in which he can literally stop atoms cold. Creates a cold field to slow Flash just enough to get a clear shot
>Heatwave's flamethrower can reach absurd levels of heat, enough to melt his highly friction resistant costume. Also can create a dangerous environment short on oxygen with unsafe temperatures
>Mirror Master creates mirror clones, fires light beams, and can travel through any reflective surface. Portals serve as transportation and can trap people in the endless Mirror Dimension
>Weather Wizard controls the weather obviously
And so on

>>88828245

I watched the movie, retard, there was nothing in there that implied Boomerang had "near superhuman" anything in the use of his boomerangs. Fuck, the times he used his boomerangs in any useful capacity I can recall was when he was cutting up the putty patrol with them in hand-to-hand and when he used one as a reconnaissance drone that got shot down anyways.

If he was trying to be passed off as the Squad's 'Hawkeye' due to having inhuman performance with an extremely unorthodox weapon, he fucking failed, because he did both diddly and dick in the whole movie.

>>88828306
They already have the Wall, they don't need a wall expert.

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>>88828319
To be honest, the optimal time for that was a few weeks before the opening.

>>88828213
>Specialist
Oh its special alright. So if I get my teeth kicked in by Batman repeatedly, Im an expert on dealing with him? Good to know

>>88828333
All of them would have better than Boomer in this kind of brainless film

>First movie about supervillains and bloody maniacs
>WE WUZZ HEROZZ AN SHEET
>VOICES? xD
>MUH FAMILY
>ROSE UNICORN xD
>I'M BEAUTIFUL xD
Fucking disgusting.

>>88828390
Can't wait until MCU tears its corpse two new assholes with Thunderbolts AND Sinister Six.

>>88828213
Imagine Waller trying to ask Boomerang for advice on what to do about Enchantress

>>88828362
Boomerang on the team is fine, it isnt anything new, but you got to at least justify his presence and have fun with his ridiculous yet effective skillet

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>Create a team to take on Evil Superman

>Out of a bunch of faggots who aren't resourceful enought to successfully break out of a normal prison without their knives and guns away.

>>88828329
Again, that's more to do with bad writing than anything else.

So why was a team assembled of people who mostly had absolutely no superpowers to take on superman level threats?

>>88828494
Because relatively speaking they had some sort of talent or skill that made them stand out from normal soldiers while at the same time were seen as expendable due to their criminal histories.

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>>88828494
They'd baffle him with their quirky randomness.
And El Diablo would set him on fire and shit.

Harley would vex him to tremendous effect.

>>88828494
Because they're the only people crazy enough to try.

>>88828494

Because the team is supposed to be a plausible deniability black ops team meant to take care of dirty government-related shit, not world-ending threats.

Blame WB for trying to make the whole thing an "epic" affair by making a low-tier group of individuals (barring Enchantress) as a response to metahuman threats, despite the fact that the metahuman threat used to justify its creation was one where an individual member could wipe out the entire human race with no effort.

>>88828541
But the special forces tried too.
And because they thought to bring explosives, they actually succeeded.

Why they had to plant them below some guy's feet I have no idea though.

Damn, with all the hype and popularity of Joker and Harley, it could beak bil easily and be remembered as first great capeshit movie about villains. They just needed to copu Assault on Arkham, that's all. Why the hell they're so untalanted? JUST COPY SHIT. YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO CREATE ANYTHING. Pathetic.

>>88828562
>(barring Enchantress)
Enchantress was the Evil Superman they were keeping on a dubious leash to deal with the event of an Evil Superman.

Waller outright states that they have the means of keeping her permanently sedated.

But instead they teach her how to infiltrate black government sites and introduce her to important National Security figures, because that's what you'd want to teach Evil Superman, right?

>>88828567
>Incubus shown fucking up attack helicopters and tanks with his rape tentacles while he laughs off their firepower.
>Demolition charge set under his feet with at least one foot of concrete between himself and the explosive utterly obliterates him

Yep, fuck it.

>>88828602
You'd think a couple of cruise missiles would smear him and Sis right off the block.

>>88811390
>no intro
If you are going to shit on the guy at least give him SOME screen time

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I mean, they put a Hellfire missile right on Faora's chin, and she's almost invisibly fast.
Incubus on the other hand moved like an old movie mummy.

>>88811493
The only people that think this is a good Joker had Heath Ledgers Joker as their first. I still have hope it is Jason though, would be a great twist in The Batman movie and at the same time trivialise Joker and Harley's "true love" moments from the movie

>>88828621

Wouldn't work unless you had one of the squad riding the thing like Major Kong while they made some quip about sending him on a paid cruise to hell or some shit.

>>88828690
You can guide those from a rooftop with a laser designator. They can practically fly them down your chimney.
Even a Tow missile would be sufficient if a mine was enough to vaporize him.

>>88827287
Your not wrong but
>Poor action is not a problem
The action was fine

>>88811635
> enchantress looks like a power rangers villain
>In a movie with where a guy can shoot in the wall and it ricochets into someone's eye

I love how you take an example of shit character design and compare it to the way Deadshot actually operates in the comics like they are somehow related

I mean, the guy can't hit a coked-up hooker with his Hentai Tentacles.
No way he's gonna react to a Cruise Missile, the thing doesn't have to hit him directly. You can load them up with explosives that make that mine look like a cow's fart.

>>88828494
Because the Cold War ended.

>>88828710

In the context of the movie. I was pointing out that heavy ordnance from tanks and helicopters were useless against Incubus earlier in the movie and then come the end where all of a sudden some demolition charge, not even in direct contact with him or even high-yield, killed him like a bitch simply because plot demanded it.

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>>88828737
>Let's shoot at him! no effect.
>Tentacles (they miss everyone completely
>SLOW KICK (it's super-effective)
>Diablo punches on him
>We all stand around for minutes giving "Le Reaction shot
>No one thinks to support El Diablo in the slightest
>Incubus about to kill him!
>We got no choice, we gotta blow them up!
>Literally minutes pass while we get more "Le Reaction Shots", Incubus still hasn't killed him.
>They vanish in another bloodless puff of explosion
>Now to fight the Ancient Evil Witch
>She has........SWORDS! Thank god the Elder God can only match our bats and swords with her own primitive weaponry!

The action was a complete joke.