>yfw this was originally how Dib was going to die before

good.

>>88774539
And how that episode was supposed to end then?

>>88774677
That's it. Dib dies and Zim wins.

They were going to add a new nemesis for Zim but they ran into the problem of coming up with a character that could stand up to him. Dib had the privilege of his dad's lab with the highest tech on earth, letting him fight Zim with his Irken gear.

>>88774539
I love how the IZ team always butted heads with Nick. There was the bloody Gir, and the hilarious IGGINS! bit too

>>88774842
>and the hilarious IGGINS! bit too
I love that shit.
>Studio complains that Iggins seems to be dead.
>Add a scene of Iggins bursting from the wreckage and flying
>"See, he's so NOT dead he has super powers!"

Is it true that there was a bloody gir hidden in every episode, or is that just a meme?

>>88774909
Just one actually. Forget which episode exactly, but its a quick flash you can freeze frame.

>>88774870
Is he the kid who died in the elevator shaft?

>>88774909
I think there were two.

>>88774909
I don't know about every episode but there were a bunch and I think they were only on the DVDs? It's been a long time since I looked up that information.

>>88774539
This episode was fucked up regardless.

>>88774810
What.
A load.
Of horse...shit.
You over estimate how much respect Vasquez had for Zim's intelligence and ruined your bait.

>>88774539
I mean, how strong would you really be, with the combined strength of 10 thousand little boys?

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>>88775225
>bait

Go fuck yourself, it's from the DVD commentary from the collection that I bought and watched. There were other, less interesting problems. It costs a lot to design a character and find a new VA and Invader Zim was already pushing it's budget. The whole was just too daring for Nick and it was a pain in the ass to come up with a new character. They already had come up with a name for the character but I can't recall what it was.

>>88774539
for once nick did their damn jobs and did something good with their censoring
I honestly cant see the show working without Dib in i

>>88775314
Pretty fucking strong.

>>88774909
They hid one in a frame of the opening of the show, it appeared in every episode after that point.

>>88775368
Networks stop a lot of bad ideas that would have ruined a show from happening.

>>88775385
But, can a Dib with the strength of 1000 men beat this 10k-LB powered Dib?

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>Hot Topic: The Animated Series

>>88775666
How old are the little boys?
Cause maybe a 1000M Dib could beat a 10kLB Dib if the little boys are like, 5

But if they're around 10 I'd give it to 10kLB Dib.

>>88775666
would you rather fight 100 duck size dibs or a single dib sized duck

>>88775666
can either of them defeat a moose?

>>88775418
And networks are also run by idiots who cancel good shows for shitty reasons. I'm still salty about this.

Did they get rid of (you)?

>>88776522
not really

>>88776207
Wouldn't that one duck's neck snap under the tremendous weight?

>>88776542
Nah, Dib is pretty short. Considering the size of his own head, it's more likely his neck will snap under it's weight than a ducks would.

>>88776539
They did.

>>88776542
Dib's like the size of a big goose probably.

Did Vasquez really think he would get away with killing a kid, let alone one of the main characters, on his show? Like seriously, how far gone do you have to be to think that'd be approved?

>>88776734
They tried twice so yes

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>>88776681
??? Looks normal to me

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>>88776754
This is what it looks like now

>>88776772
Are you using any extensions?

>>88776791
nope

>>88776798
If you really need your (You)s, try 4chanX
The X makes it sound cool

>>88776752
That's disturbing.

>>88776824
or you can just put this into the custom CSS

a.ql-tracked {
border-bottom: 0;
text-decoration: underline;
white-space: nowrap;
}
a.quotelink.ql-tracked:after {
content: " (You)";
}

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>TFW even creator of the show wants to kill you


Well atleast Dib AI deleted itself

>>88776103
Membrane just uses the term "little boys", so it's safe to assume that he means Dib-sized children.

>Literally "how edgy can we get" the cartoon.
But really, memes aside, what the hell is the appeal of this show? I've really tried to rewatch it and apart from one or 2 episodes it mostly the kind of lolsorandumb humor we vilify in modern cartoons and body horror jokes.
How did this go on to make billions of dollars for Hot Topic in merch?

>>88777715
It's a great show that's genuinely funny with a really good art style and premise.

>>88776734
>pushing the envelope is bad

Fuck you and your kind.

>>88777715
tumblrinas praise it

>>88774810
>That's it. Dib dies and Zim wins.
Sounds pretty lame to see Zim getting his way without any repercussion.

>They were going to add a new nemesis for Zim
Im glad it didnt happen cause it sounds like an awful idea.

>>88777914
Well I guess I'm going to have to aggressively disagree with you.

>>88777715
You have to realize when it came out. Lolsorandumb was just getting in style.

Also, the show itself actually wasn't bad beyond that. It was a technical feat, even.

>>88778000
>Sounds pretty lame to see Zim getting his way without any repercussion.

Like almost every episode? Zim usually comes on top but the whole joke of the series is that he goes after the wrong things. He kills side characters like they're nothing, the thing that would set him apart is that he could kill his nemesis and drink a slurpy like nothing happened.

>>88775141
I agree. It made me uncomfortable and I can't put my finger on why. Maybe because Zim had such an upper hand and was toying with Dib.

>>88777977
That's not so much pushing the envelope as much as it is being one of those shitty High School kids who think death is the be all, end all topic.

>>88778297
>>88778357
>implying this isn't the perfect between kid and adult content

>>88778000
>Sounds pretty lame to see Zim getting his way without any repercussion.
That's the point. Zim is evil. He's an evil alien who wants to enslave or destroy humanity. He has no morality and no scruples.

>>88778297
It's probably the most brutal episode. Zim is just torturing Dib and he has no idea how it's happening or even what's happening. As it progresses he gets more and more crippled because of it. His life is in shambles and he's a broken husk and Dib doesn't even know why it's happening.

>>88774909
Yeah, especially on the episode were Gir goes red. Supossedly the crew wanted Gir covered in blood for that episode, but was a no go from Nick, so they just have him hidden in frames.

>>88778243
>>88778640
I know that, but everytime he gets on top he usually gets some shit on the way or its usually the one wronged first, but in this episode he had way too much of the upper hand, I feel like ending the episode without him getting some shit back would have been lame.

>>88778757
Remember the episode where he traps Dib in a simulation and has him live his entire life in there only for Zim to show him it was all false and shoot a muffin at his head at the end? That's another one where it happens.

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>>88778813
That´s different.
Dib. Did. Threw. The. Muffin.
He deserved it everything in that episode.

>>88778871
Throwing a muffin at someone doesn't deserve being trapped in a lotus eater machine.

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>>88774969
He didn't die anon, he very clearly had super powers.

>>88778757
>I know that, but everytime he gets on top he usually gets some shit on the way or its usually the one wronged first

That may be a compelling reason why they wanted Zim to come on top. I guess they felt tired of him being the joke of his own show and only killing side characters.

>>88778757
>>88778813
>>88778891
That's the sad truth about Zim and Dib's rivalry. It's not an actual rivalry but rather a poor, deluded kid foolishly trying to stop a psychotic alien who is waaaaaay out of his league. Hell, most of Dib's victories in the show were either Zim fucking up on his own or someone bailing him out of trouble and doing his work for him. ((Usually Gaz))

>>88774539
The idea doesn't have much going for it except audacity. Why introduce this character at all in the beginning if they're just going to off him a handful of episodes later?

>>88779134
Actually. Zim is in his league which goes to show how stupid Zim is that his foil is a preteen.

>>88779134
I agree, Zim biggest enemy was always his own incompetence.
Tak, who was supposed to be a competent Zim counterpart, almost fills the planet with Candy before Dib could even raise a suspicion about her.

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>>88774842
Someone at Nick studio was smoking crack when they decided Vasquez would be their the go-to guy for fun family entertainment.

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>>88774810
>They were going to add a new nemesis for Zim
If I recall correctly, it was going to be Squee from Johnny the Homicidal Maniac.

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>>88779209
Yes and no. Zim is a character who was built minmaxed to all fuck but thought Wis was a dump stat and is paying for it.

He's one correctly planned sucess away from winning all the time, whereas Dib is one fuck up away from losing forever. And his victories only keep status quo.

Until the comic contradicts it, this is still the canon ending.

>>88779316
Actually... that could work. He is friends with the antichrist, that could provide him with reasources with the constant implication there'd be a horrible price to pay someday and Squee is only building up massive debt.

>>88779209
Yes, a preteen he routinely curbstomps on a day to day basis.

>>88779402
And that comic even ends happily for Dib.

>>88779316
If that is true, then I can definitely see why Nickelodeon chose not to go with that.

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>>88779426
Posting relevant next page: It ends happy for Dib because he STOPPED FIGHTING ZIM. Who is basically his best friend anyway, sad though that is. For all that he sees him as a pathetic human fighting against fate, Zim's acknowledgement of him is more respect then he has from literally anybody on earth.

>>88779419
Still my favourite part of Squee

"Oh yes. Dear, there's something I've been meaning to tell you. I'm Satan"
"Well, that explains the basement. But I'm a devout Christian"
"Yes, well, now both of us can appreciate the irony"

>>88779438
It sounds wacky.

>>88776734
This mentality is literally why anime became popular in the west in the 2000s.

>Show is about an member of an alien race that has literally enslaved 90% of all life in the universe trying to take over Earth
>Somehow, actually achieving part of that goal by finally killing his main rival is going TOO FAR

>>88779457
>It ends happy for Dib because he STOPPED FIGHTING ZIM. Who is basically his best friend anyway, sad though that is
I like this. It's happy and soul crushing at the same time.

>>88777715
Because it did it first.

Lucky Star and K-On were good shows when they came out, but they're responsible for anime turning into 80% moe-blobs making otaku bait references.

>>88779677
One of the episodes that never finished production but did have the vocals done was basically what happened if Dib gave up. He became a highly respected scientist and his father actually started loving him. Zim was completely unopposed.

Both were completely miserable and Gir actually got them back together because in a rare lucid moment (or maybe because of his insanity) he realized how utterly they needed each other.

Cause the other end of what I said is true too. Dib is the first person who actually took Zim seriously from the start. Zim loves him back for that.

>>88776699
>Dib's like the size of a big goose probably.
sure if you don't count his gargantuan head

>>88779402
>>88779426
>>88779457
>>88779821

So basically, if Dib and Zim were to actually cooperate and be friends instead of opposing each other they be happier and successful.

>>88780148
Pretty much. Earth's pretty fucked though.

>>88779821
And then they fucked.

>>88779711
>this meme
moeblob and otaku pandering shti existed since 80's

>>88780542
They did it first for a specific generation.

>>88780381
No, but they sounded maybe a little too excited when they got back together. Like somebody had a boner at least.

The animation is fanstuff based on the script but this is the actual audio.

Shipbiat scene starts at 11:35

>>88780629
Oh fuck me, the video would probably help

https://youtu.be/c0ExXAnuBBY

>>88779281
I mean, IZ have tons of morbid humour fun for the whole family. It's funny to because Vasquez listened to what they had to say at Nick, very professional and all, then when they were done he'll voice his opinion adding in a quip "Yeah, except that's the point. It's funny!"

>>88780654
It's too bad they never got to professionally finish this episode but this fan animation is pretty damn good

>>88779267
>Dib beat Tak

Don't forget Zim's help. He may be a retard but he was still a pretty good pilot.

>>88779267
>>88781348
To be fair, the only reason either of them found out was because Tak had a hateboner for Zim, obsessing over him for...what, decades? Centuries? And then she gave herself away, because she wanted to make sure Zim knew. That's the only reason why she lost, hell she even wasted time bragging in her fight with Zim.

>>88778680
The line "you ruined my childhood Zim!" for some reason haunts me to this day

>>88774810
Glad they kept the status quo here.

I get that Vaquez likes his edge and shit, but the relationship between Dib and Zim makes the series work, more than anything else. He's the best possible villain for Zim because, like Zim, he is simultaneously not apart of the general stupid that the rest of Earth is under and still somehow more stupid than the rest of Earth because of his relentless obsession.

They play off each other brilliantly, in a way that a character like Squee or Gaz or even Tak could never dream of. Zim will never beat Dib, and Dib will never beat Zim, and that's fucking hilarious.

I do wish that some of the other cut shit stayed. Expanding upon Dib and Zim's relationship, bringing back Tak, using the Resisty as a subtle arc villain, all building up to one hell of a hypothetical finale. I suspect that if the crew hadn't already pushed the envelope so many times before they would have gone through with Season 2, but you can only take so much crap.

>>88778297
Watching Dib slowly get more and more crippled and sickly as Zim fucked with his past was just really upsetting.

>>88775141
>>88778297
>>88784542
it was me, barry

>>88779134
in the case of Final episode Dib actually did more harm than good, if he didn't try to defeat Zim in that episode then he would have just been taken over by the santa suit and his plans would be ruined forever, in addition to the world now having a real santa clause

>>88774909
Does anyone have any photo evidence of this?

I honestly was just waiting for the day Dib BTFO Zim and his annoying edgy sister, but that never happened.

>>88784651
But Zim's sister is the best character.

>>88784651
There was that one episode where Zim put Dib in a virtual reality where he got super powers

>>88784723
Really? I always got the impression he was just a teenager who dropped out of High School to live on his own in a trailer park.
Kentucky is chocked full of these guys.

>>88784774
Reply in the wrong thread?

>>88784651
Dib is more of an asshole than Gaz to be honest.

>>88784774
I want to know the context for this post.

>>88779711
Both of those shows are unwatchable trash, though.

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>>88774909
There's two confirmed ones: Bad Bad Rubber Piggy and Mortos der Soulstealer

There have been ones claimed to be in other episodes, and show director Steve Ressell claims they put them in the last 14 episodes, but I can't find them, and the screenshots that are supposedly of them (pic related is one) look more like compression artifacts.

I have a hunch that there are really only two.

>>88784651
Dib has BTFO of Zim several times in the comics so far

>>88774677
Bait. He was actually going to kill off zim in the "running out of time" episode.

>>88784951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezRbXyfo-Ak

>>88775361
Louie

>>88775361
>>88775368
>>88774810
>>88774539
>>88785076
I've heard that audio commentary. I'm pretty Jhonen was joking though, he has a sarcastic sense of humor.

>>88784564
Now I just imagine all those panels with a Pig placed in there

>Shoves him down the stairs
>With a Pig
>Kills his mom
>With a pig

>>88778891
>a person who never had a muffin thrown at him

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What would we do without Invader Zim and its weird history?

>>88775361
They also said that a shot of CG walnuts cost them an entire season's budget. They were fucking around.

>>88786643
No cool alien dudes like Zim or goth qt Gaz.

>>88780542
You missed the "anime turning into 80%" part.
Moeblobs technically have always existed because they're a reflection of traditional ideas of how women should act in Japan and Gainax's whole success was based on being otaku.

But that didn't make up the majority of anime.

>>88787745
Gainax had the decency to be a little more substantive than just otaku pandering though (at least for a while they did).

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>>88787066
>a world with no goth qt gaz

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>>88778891