Storm spends 2 years shitting on Scott Summers Then basically

How is it that every attempt to prove Cyclops wrong just reinforces his correctness? Is Marvel doing this on purpose, or are they just stupid?

>>88761517
Neither. Scott is just that right.

>>88761517
Scott's secondary mutation is uncanny awareness. It's literally his power to know exactly what's going on all the time. He literally cannot be wrong.

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>>88761483
At what point does character assassination go from "character progression" to just plain shitty writing?

Are Marvelfags just deluded?

>>88761517
Of course they're doing it on purpose you dingbat. This is Marvel Marketing 101: shit on something you like in order to make you angry and therefor make the thing more popular.

>>88761517
Well if they write him out of character, fans lose their shit, so they keep him in character, and his character's just that right.

>we're STILL expected to side with the Inhumans
>The cloud outright kills mutants and potentially humans, and inhumans who undergo secondary terrigenesis sometimes get fucked up, but you can't do ANYTHING to it because MUH CULTURE
>even when Storm can literally control the weather and could syphon the Terrigen mists into safe containment where it can't harm anyone and still be used to turn inhumans

There's literally no downside to containing the cloud. Inhumans, humans, and mutants all mutually prosper from it. And the Attilan royalty are literally saying "you can't interfere or you're fucking racist"

>>88761716
The entire premise of Inhumans vs X-men is utterly baffling on all levels.

One side thinks that a cloud of poisons gas is more important then the lives of Every Mutant on the planet

The other side just wants to live. How can teh Inhumans be anything but the bad guys in this thing?

>>88761938
Repeat after me.

MUH

CULCHUH

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>Mutants & Inhumans destroying each other and showing their true colors

I don't think that is a bad thing

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>>88761938
It's worse than that especially with the hamfisted writing in Uncanny Inhumans. We constantly seem them act melodramatic put on the cross of "woe is me the oppressed minority" in their book but also get hints that they know genociding the mutants with their cloud is a bad idea. Not because of morality (because they really don't have any) but because of the PR. While this at first seems interesting it falls apart after Uncanny #12-13 I think where they find spare terrigen crystals from an Inhuman's private stash that even they admit could terrigenesize everyone in Attilan at least twice. Medusa keeps it to herself and from the tie-in it's hinted Kamala knows about the stash as well. So instead of letting the cloud get destroyed since they already have extra terrigen that can be contained, they just let it go around mutating and/or killing people because they're just greedy. Gets even more infuriating because they keep going back and forth about the cloud being unclean/an abomination but also sacred whenever anyone else comes near it. Inhumans are complete shit and I can't see how Marvel can justify their actions. My only hope is that Magneto and un-house negroed Storm find out about the spare terrigen and rip them a new one for their stupid and selfish behavior.

>>88762684
Like, it's straight up confirmed that the gas can be safely contained and it can still transform inhumans even if it is, and the inhumans are STILL like Nuh uh can't touch it it's sacred

>>88761483
I don't know if I'd call her a hypocrite. She wanted "a better way" and only now has she come to realize there isn't one, that Cyclops was right.

>>88762684
But anon, you made that up entirely. Post the pages where your lies come from.

>>88762727
>sacred
I still don't get this.
They're the scientastic result of the Kree sticking their alien schlong into human genetics with the intent on creating a vassal race.

How the fuck do they get a religion and royal fucking family out of that?

>>88762842
Medusa is fucking crazy.

>>88761716
so the inhumans = israel

>>88762842
It was thousands of years before they found out where they came from
And plenty inhumans do think they should just abandon their traditions in light of that, but those tend not to live on new attilan

>>88762727
Okay but like, pretty much every major religion has a big fucking asterisk on every "sacred" part that says "unless someone's dying from it". Like, Muslim women are allowed to take their headdresses off, or have them removed if they're unconscious and suffering a massive head wound. That's implied consent, motherfucker. What POSSIBLE moral pillar can the Inhumans stand on?

>>88761483
What you said was:
>I wonder if Storm has enough self-awareness to know how much of a hypocrite she's become
What you should have said was:
>I wonder if anyone at Marvel has enough self-awareness to know how much of a hypocrite she's become
The answer is no, by the way. They don't know what they're doing and that don't care either.

>>88763009
Tbh there was a case in Saudi Arabia where firemen couldn't save schoolgirls from a fire because they weren't properly dressed, and they died

>>88762840
I thought so cause I've read just about every inhuman book so far and don't remember that at all.

>>88761716
They gone out of there way to make sure Scott did nothing and made fake scott right. The X-men win in the end and the royal family leave. I don't see how that is them trying to make us side with the Inhumans. They even make the X-men take the non violent role and put the Inhumans in time out until they do what they have to do.

>>88762922
Do they even have Jews among their """"""ranks"""""?

>>88763776
its going to end with "Sinister or Skull was poisoning people to start a war the whole time"

>>88763671
>Saudi Arabia
No surprise there. Fuckers still live in 1400.

>>88763820
Sinister is Inhumanfag, anon.
>there'll be never story about Sinister being upset at Emma because she didn't ask him to revive his boy
I unironically headcanon Sinister as BEST DAD OF THE YEAR.

>>88761483
Is this a real page? Because good god that is some shit art. I mean how could any company publish that?

>>88763869
Why would you bother with art for fucking X-book? If it had stickmen, people would buy it.

Did she admit she was wrong and Scott was right? better late than never

>>88761517

Think of it this way. When Marvel told you that Cyclops was right and good and the clean-shaven leader of the X-Men, everyone hated him. Cyclops was made fun of endlessly, was the butt of all jokes, and got cucked (in the actual sense, not the /pol/ sense) by Wolverine.

So, Marvel now says you should HATE Cyclops. And then makes stories where he's making logical decisions, or standing up for others, but they still say "nooo, he's a bad guy, he's hitler!" on the surface, yeah? And now everyone loves Cyclops.

Is this the new IVX issue?

>>88764149
I always loved Cyclops though, and I've never cared about other people. Also, he was never really cucked by Wolverine until Morrison's run, where he was losing his attachment to Jean anyway.

>>88764149
That's not even remotely true.
Everyone hated Cyclops in the 80's when he left his wife and kid in Alaska to go hang out with Jean and the boys.
Everyone hated Cyclops in the 90's because the Animated Series and the movies all had the subtlety of a brick to the face and set Cyclops up as the boring buzzkill who stopped Wolverine from doing all the cool shit.
Everyone hated Cyclops in the 00's because the X-Men movies did the same thing as the Animate Series, plus made Cyclops Wolverine's romantic rival.

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>>88761517

Kind of both.

See it's the basic flaw of the Straw Man argument. The more you shit on your rival the more it becomes clear you don't have a leg to stand on.

I disagree with a lot of Scott's ideas on the species and some of his actions during AvX but these fuckers just don't know shit

>>88764344
>during AvX
>unironically going REALLY MAKES YOU THINK on that shitshow

>>88761716
>and inhumans who undergo secondary terrigenesis sometimes get fucked up
>sometimes
It has a much higher fatality rate than normal terrigenesis and survivors turn into monsters 50-75% of the time (and normal terrigenesis still occasionally kills motherfuckers/turns them into monsters). And that's for pureblood Inhumans. Nuhumans have even shittier survival rates.

On top of all this, normal and secondary both run the risk of giving someone powers that trigger as a WMD in a populated area.

Mutants = good minorities. They have jobs, mow their lawn at reasonable hours and eat disgusting food while babbling in their dumb language

Inhumans = bad minorities. They shout allahu akbar while trying to exterminate all of their enemies

>Black Bolt straight up murders Scott (as far as she knows)
>we must work with the Inhumans to prevent more deaths
>mutant dies from Terrigen mist
>we must go to war with the Inhumans
Fuck Storm

>>88764395
The irony is that, before this STUPID FUCKING CLOUD, Marvel had the perfect narrative for a species conflict that was basically the opposite of this.

Imagine being a mutant in the Marvel universe, and then nuhumans start popping up. Despite the fact you're the same fucking thing, humans who've arbitrarily lucked into genetic superpowers, marvel civilians treat mutants with hate and fear, but treat inhumans with sympathy and concern. Mutants are just total genetic randoms, while nuhumans were good ordinary people (not just teenagers at the onset of puberty, we see grown men and women who have lived full lives suddenly change) who've been forcibly changed by an external force. My poor son/daughter/friend/mother etc. They've been turned into a freak by Black Bolt's horrible gene raping mist, won't someone console and accommodate this victim.

There's your social interspecies conflict. Not a fucking murder cloud.

>>88763833
They had more sense in 1400. That entire region going to shit is less than 100 years old.

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>>88764435

Don't blame characters, blame "events". the more tie-ins and ongoing series that are affected by events the more difficult it is for writers to maintain characterization.

I'm tired of events in comics. I'm glad i haven't bought any event comics in years.

>>88764548

Wrong pic but whatever.

>>88764548
>the more tie-ins and ongoing series that are affected by events the more difficult it is for writers to maintain characterization.
If a character is sufficiently developed, which storm should god damn be having existed for decades, then events should have no impact on characterization. The character should write the event, not vice versa, with circumstance driving conflict and not forced out of character bullshit.

If that means there's less hero on hero bullshit. That probably means the hero on hero bullshit was stupid in the first god damn place.

>>88761483
Is that nightcrawler? How did he come back to life?

>>88764590
They busted him out of heaven. Because that's a thing you can do.

>>88764636
Busting someone out of heaven is something you could make a 12 issue run out of if you did it right. Was it interesting or just like, half an issue and effortless?

>>88764590
He teleported himself out. Yes, that is apparently a thing you can do.

>>88764656
Seriously? Everything is such garbage now.

>>88764652
One trade, pretty much effortless. Xavier was shown being happy as fuck.
Even if he's one of evil Multiversal Xaviers.

>>88764671
He also has no soul now since he had to use it to bind Azazeal to earth to prevent him from taking over Heaven and Hell as if any random Ghost Rider couldn't kick his ass.
A lack of soul has somehow done nothing to his personality.

>>88764703
>>88764656
>>88764636
Which issue did this happen in?

>>88764703
Well of course not, anon.

He doesn't wear shoes.

>>88761483
Nobody confronted Beast after he joined the Illuminati. What makes you think they'll confront Ororo?

>>88761483
>the other X-men has the balls to confront her on it.
Help, Storm is being oppressed

>>88763864
>Sinister is Inhumanfag
You mean summerfag

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Can we talk about how shitty Beast has become?

>>88765417
You forgot about le Inhuman gene is superior than X-gene when he was trying to save mutants?

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>>88765432
>mfw I've read CBR Storm thread and all Stormfags being buttblasted for her attacking Beast
>s-she could talk him out of that!

>>88765432
Seriously what the fuck is up with Beast?

>>88765493
He's a coward and always picks the path that runs away.

>>88765432
>>88765493
>>88765524
You guys know they're going to blame it on this new mutation and have him revert back to being regular Beast when they need to actually reboot the X-Men, right?

As soon as he mutated into this new yeti-man form right before he pulled his time bending shenanigans, I figured they were going to use it as an excuse to write him out of character.

>>88765561
>>88765524
No I mean... at what point did the writers decide that Beast needed to be the fucking worst? At what point did they decide he needed to basically hate his own race?

>>88761617
Considering the powercreep that Cypher got with his linguistics ability that would actually be an interesting place to go with (what I believe is canon) Cyclop's actual secondary mutation regarding knowledge of geometry, angles and all that math he does subconsciously for his assorted feats of bouncing shots. He literally sees all the angles now and is instinctively seeing the way things can play out and is selecting the best possible choice he can.

>>88761517
What the fuck did he do in AvX, anyways? I skipped out on that because I don't like Xmen.

>>88761483

This was so terribly written. She lightning bolts Hank to prevent him from going to the Inhumans, but then has to spend an entire day being wishy washy over the subject until a little girl dies. Give me a break.

>>88765584
Dark Reign

>>88765909
Wanted Hope to get the Phoenix after not training her or even letting her know the word exists for several months. The Avengers were a tad concerned about the Phoenix at that time tearing an actual path of destruction across billions of inhabited worlds as it gorged upon their souls on the way to Earth.
Cyclops had multiple time travellers say that hope was going to be a genocidal mutant hitler and Cable saying to protect her. He chose to ignore the others and listen to Cable despite knowing that Hope automatically enslaves any mutant she touches.
Both sides went full retard and stumbled into survival. While Cyclops was in Godmode at the end and burning the entire planet to death Jean secretly ascended from on high to call Cyclops an idiot before sapping his power.
Beast at this point is reacting to the fact that billions of people should be dead, only fucking idiots wouldn't be able to tell it was them, and the new mutants that spawned are all logically going to bear the brunt of any retribution (in the form of mass genocide) for it as if any of that won't be glossed over by the next issue. Cyclops cherrypicks the fact that new mutants are around now and flashes a gang sign in happiness which is enough to start a Cyclops is right meme.
Then it was revealed afterwards that Tony had stolen a cheatsheet on the future from his future self so he was basically the only one that knew what he was doing.

TLDR
He didn't know wtf he was doing and lucked out but everyone hates the other side more (Fuck da police) so they look at it as if you HAVE to pick one side instead of realizing they're both being retarded.

>>88764149
>When Marvel told you that Cyclops was right and good and the clean-shaven leader of the X-Men, everyone hated him

/co/ isn't Chris Sims.

>>88765909
Cyclops was right about 2 things in Avx:
1.) Phoenix would bring back mutants
2.) No one gives a shit about mutants except the X-Men

He's been acting in accordance with 2 until he died

>>88761483
Storm looks like a white girl in black face

>>88765895
Rightclops is actually Right-angle-clops

>>88762922
No, X-Men = Gays, Inhumans = Islamists.

>>88764578
>then events should have no impact on characterization
well it should, but one that doesn't come in and invent a new personality to serve the event. But writers don't know how to handle and even while keeping personalities in tact and letting them develop organically. It is just shitty, lazy writing.

I've given up on events too. The ones that are good are 'small' ones or ones removed from the greater picture. Like Annihilation.

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>>88766836
>Right-angle-clops
10,000 hours in paint

>>88761483
X-Men and Inhumans should both go die in a Cosmic Fire

>>88766102
I still love how everyone forgets she almost went dark on the moon before the Phoenix split

>>88761517
They are in fact just that stupid.
It's almost too ridiculous to be believed, but Marvel's current staff is so completely incompetent and without originality or talent that they actually drive home the OPPOSITE point they supposedly are trying to show off.

It shows how far the company's talent has fallen when they can tell you explicitly what they are aiming for, attempt to write with that explicit goal in mind, and then still totally fail at it.
It's like writing the dialogue to a porno and then forgetting that at some point they are supposed to fuck.

>>88761618
No, most of us are aware how crap the company has become.

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>>88765914
>She lightning bolts Hank

I don't care how terribly written Storm is, I'm just so happy this finally happened.

>>88761483
It's okay when Storm does it because she is a proud woman of color who don't need no man, except t'chala, or Logan, or Thor.

But when it's a white man saying the same things, he's worse than Hitler.

>>88767921
To be fair, she was supposed to have her weird cosmic support system of new mutants with her when she met the Phoenix.

Which she didn't have because when the Avengers attacked Utopia they inadvertently released a supervillain that purposefully took them out of the picture.

>>88767921
They don't forget. They just claim that without the initial interference she would be on Utopia where the lights would make things easier despite Hope already murdering one of em, another being on the wrong side of the continent, another being a newborn baby and on the wrong continent, and the penis metaphor robot being easily capable of and planning to see what happens when the phoenix host doesn't have lights to stabilize them.

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>>88761483
>"If we run now, we'll be running away forever all our lives, this is our line" - Cyclops
>Gets killed
>X-MEN GO LIVE IN ACTUAL LIMBO
>"We can't go on like this guys" - Storm
You can't make this shit up.

>>88763833
No anon. In 1400 they had Turks telling them not to be idiots.

>>88768059
Unit was not released from anything in Utopia. He CHOSE to leave. Literally everything was going and went according to keikaku for him. It was made extremely explicit that he was in total control of the situation from the get go when he hacked the entire jail.
I think you have a few selective holes in your memory or simply forgot what you read from it having been a while.

>>88765895
>tfw no Cyclops & Gambit story set in the eighties, with lots of bikes, whiskey and pool hustlin'

>>88766469
Did someone co-wrote X-Men '92 with Sims? His Cyclops wasn't Comics Alliance meme monster.

>>88768237
He was able to leave unimpeded because the X-Men were busy squabbling with the Avengers.

>>88768241
Doubly sad when you remember that Gambit was originally going to be the third Summers brother.

Instead we got Vulcan. Eugh.

>>88768251
Someone named chad bowers, anyways his pice of shit X men 92 fanfiction got canned and it's in the thrash were it deserves to be

>>88768297
He can teleport and controlled the entire jail full of soon to be enraged supervillains if he felt like releasing them. Do you seriously think he couldn't have literally disappeared at any moment or made a distraction?

>>88765432
What a fucking coward.

Where is the storytime?

>>88768412
IIRC he only left after his objective of incapacitating those kids was completed. He wouldn't have had any opportunity to do so without a fight unless everyone else had been distracted.

That said, I could be misremembering, it has been years.

>>88765432
So how did we end up with this beast? From what I've seen he's been one of the most consistent characters but that personality is just shitty. What turned him into this

>>88768537
That shitty robot was the worst part of Gillen's X-men and Iron Man run.

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>>88767437
And I guess Beast is pic related

Why do you guys still read X-Men?

>>88768537
The timeline if i recall correctly is:
Escapes (probably so that he can take a look at Hope)
Takes a look at Hope which makes Cyclops abort his current mission to rescue her
Wrecks the entire extinction team
Allows himself to get caught for keikaku
Hacked Danger so that he can have digital tea and crumpets while engaging in S&M play with Danger
Phoenix shows up.
Gives Danger a security patch and leaves to separate the lights while explaining the plan for fun since noone is going to remember it.


It's possible I forgot him saying a specific line or two but for the most part him waiting for an avengers vs X-men battle doesn't fit into controllable variables of everything else in his plan nor make sense as a thing for him to specifically wait for when he can teleport into their beds at night to rewire their brains thanks to not actually being in jail. The security there is lax enough that Transonic was able to hold Hope at gunpoint and he can teleport too. The step where he messes with the lights just plainly has a billion ways to take effect before anyone notices from what we've seen as his capabilities. The idea that he needed everyone that could stop him on that island to leave when everyone that can stop him leaves on a regular basis just feels really silly.
Heck. The avengers were even off planet for alot of the event since they went to space to stop Hala from being burned to a crisp and some other misc junk.
Then there's Gillen saying in an Iron Man interview shortly after the event that either side would have resulted in the phoenix burning everything.
All signs point to Unit being capable of carrying out his plan no matter what.

>>88767712
Deserves more attention.
Kek/10

>>88763869
It's a IvX prelude tie-in of Extraordinary X-Men that has no action and is just showing that mutant kids are dying because of this. I don't think anyone really gives a shit about the quality.

>>88768881
Just remember this simple rule; Beast is always on the winning side, whether that side is good or bad, right or wrong, doesn't matter.
>well, Tony is absolutely correct about Ulysses visions being calculated futures - predicting possible futures with math
>buuuut I'm going to side with Carol because everyone sees her as the good guy in this argument

>>88768965
I read it hoping that it will go back to being "simple and good" (my idealized vision of the X-Men based on nostalgia that didn't actually exist).

>>88765432
>"Well gee I guess since Black Bolt won't like us touching his murder cloud we should all just sit tight and let it kill us."

Is there a single cape character less likable than Beast?

>>88770346
X-Men was best when doing high stakes action drama under competent writers. God Loves, Man Kills, everything Claremont did with Magneto, the entire Messiah Complex/Second Coming plotline, etc etc etc.

It's only turned shit recently due to Perlmutter's ill-advised jihad against them.

>>88764487
Imagine the nuance necessary to write a good story about that. Then remember that Inhumans and X-Men were being written by Charles Soule.

>>88767437
I would say that X-Men = Gays and Inhumans = ultraconservative Christians, with the Terrigen cloud being like a magical cloud that kills gays and makes certain women unabortedly pregnant.

>>88764548
Event series fucking up regular runs is what turned me away from the Big Two.

Though big event series are also what got me interested in them again in the first place, so... Good job, editorial staff?

>>88761483
I think everyone hates Scott...until they have to be him. Then they realize the rightness of he who shall always be right.

>>88761618
Usually the people going "fuck continuity" are the ones trying to damage control for bad writing.

>>88767983
Considering they wanted Tony to come out as the good guy in Civil War, I'd say they've been incompetent for at least a decade now.

>>88764636
>>88764703
Who wrote this?

>>88770779
I'm starting to think "No no, Tony was actually the good guy!" was more damage control because they had a movie on the way. I mean for fuckssakes, JMS and Hudlin made pretty clear in their books they thought Iron Man was a villain in Civil War.

>>88765584
Beast has ALWAYS 'hated his race', deep down. He only became blue and furry trying to cure himself of his mutation! His shtick is "Woe is me, I'm a hideous BEAST!"

He's always been that way. He just had different levels of self-loathing before.

>>88770503
But it's Islam who kills gays in the modern world, mate

>>88765524
It's called he's a pacifist. So was Gandhi. He doesn't want to see any more people die in a race war when there are other options available. I don't know why he was going back to New Attilan, though. I guess he thought he could talk the Inhumans down from fighting.

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>>88773104
>So was Gandhi

>>88771602
Because self loathing of being different and bad self esteem is intrinsic to the minority themes Claremont infused into X-Men. Morrison also brought that theme back for his New X-Men run. Morrison added his interpretation that Beast suffers from bipolar disorder brought on as a side effect of his mutation affecting his body chemistry.

>>88773158
I'm glad you got a laugh out of my comparison.

>>88772926
>Hurr Islam does it that means Christians are okay
You're both crazy Abrahamic people. I've seen what Christians in third world countries do. When people say Christianity in America is watered down I think, "Thank goodness!"

>>88773374
Point is you can hardly compare the Inhumans to ultraconservative christians. I don't see them going to Scott's funeral waving "God hates Muties" signs

>>88765493
>>88765432
Consider the following:
Almost all of the mutants (that have a chance to survive the cloud) are in Limbo.
Magik is the only way to get in or out of there.
If she is knocked out then all hell (literally) breaks loose and there's a bunch of demons (literally) raping all of the civilian mutant population.
Magik is commonly sent to the front lines where she can easily be killed and will be targeted for her strategic use alone.

This entire thing is an all or nothing gamble without any attempt to hedge bets so that there would at least be some mutants elsewhere that survive afterwards.

>>88773104
>He doesn't want to see any more people die in a race war when there are other options available

But there is another option - contain the cloud. The thing that's actually killing people. Get a fuckhuge vacuum cleaner, suck it up and lock it away in a box and give it to the inhumans to worship like the kabalah for all they want. That is the option that doesn't kill anyone. And more importantly that is the option he has denied.

>>88773582
But the Inhumans will be mad if you touch their precious fart

>>88765493
He is a coward who hides behind his intellect and elegant words because he does not have what he needs to make impossible decisions

It is simpler to help destroy inhabited worlds with your group of nerd Illuminati than to save their own people

>>88773582
I guess, but the writers and Editors keep changing the properties of the Terrigen cloud. In IvX #1, Beast stated the Earth's soil is absorbing the Terrigen cloud. This means crops and animals will be taking Terrigen cloud into themselves. Food on Earth will become poisonous to mutants. I don't understand why the Inhumans are being so uncooperative. It's infuriating. Double writes the worst Beast. Double always has Beast behave erratically.

>>88765584
Someone must look bad for another to look good, it was Hank to become the ugly duckling of the X-men

>>88773730
That was the only way to save the 616. Remember, Namor and Reed Richards were among those "nerds." Beast was the first X-Man to befriend Emma Frost when she joined the X-Men. For the longest time, Beast was Emma's most outspoken defender from other X-Men.

>>88773104
>He doesn't want to see any more people die in a race war when there are other options available.

All other solutions have been denied by the Inhumans. They refuse to contain the cloud. They refuse to get rid of the cloud. And now they have literally days before it kills every mutant on Earth.

>I don't know why he was going back to New Attilan

To snitch the X-Men out because he's been turned into a legit shithead by Marvel editorial.

>>88762684
>shit that didnt happen
x-fags, everyone

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>>88765493
He is proven again that cyclops was right

>>88773339
>Actively inspiring violent resistance against British Imperialism
>Pacifist

>Actively enabling the genocide of mutants
>Pacifist

lmao senpai

>>88768315
At least it wasn't Adam X, bruh.

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>you killed Charles
>But I was possessed by the phoenix force, when jean was de dark phoenix she killed planets
>But jean is jean and you are not jean
>Also you are leading us to war

Now Storm: Let´s go to war
>But Ororo is Ororo and you are not Ororo

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>>88774245

>>88774339
Great Britain needed to GTFO of *their* land. Unless you support geographic exploitation, racial exploitation, and Jingoism.

When has Beast actively enabled the genocide of mutants?

>>88773731
Sorry eveyone, that Double should read as Soule. My tablet autocorrected Soule into Double.

>>88774462
As a Beast fan and some one who loathed Bendis' X-Men runs, I liked that scene a lot. Beast tried so hard to make peace with both sides of the conflict and save everyone, but ultimately his efforts were futile. It's a great life lesson to learn.

>>88774359
Wait, I wasn't paying attention: what was going on that made Cyke want to go to war? Something new, or was he just getting sick of status quo? And how did he die?

>>88765462
It was a failed attempt at symbolism where the composite Cyclops/Inhumanclops organism reacted to the other half as cancer and the Inhuman part took over.

Why don't mutants simply kill themselves? Much easier for everyone else.

>>88774684
>sentinels of all kind of forms and colors
>mpox virus
>scarlet witch "no more mutants"
>groups of extremist killing mutants
>wolverine goes bullocks and from some reason divides the x-men (schism)
>last hope appears and is lost in the time stream, when she returns the avengers try to take her because they think they can handle it better besides they never give a shit about mutant problems
>Inhumans release terrigen mists who kill mutants

>>88774684
He didn't.
He died from the fart gas when it got revealed it was deadly to mutants which is a really weird thing to JUST start noticing at least 8 months after all of NY and NJ got gassed. Emma went full yandere and basically decided it's time for war.
The inhumans find out it's dangerous to mutants and start an evacuation of mutants from a city while getting help from X-men to hold the cloud back.
"Cyclops" then publicly declares that it's a death gas to the entire planet telepathically which causes mass panic and rioting which renders evacuating the mutants impossible.
The inhumans then use a guy they recently got that can make everyone sleep to do so to properly evacuate. They figure they can apologize when everyone is awake and not dying from terrigen.
"Cyclops" and Magneto see this and interpret it as an attack.
They start attacking half a second before the inhumans can properly explain what happened to the X-men that were put to sleep in order to stop anything from escalating.
Then "Cyclops" attacks again and basically has Alchemy suicide bomb the Terrigen cloud to change it to another substance instead of considering that a living terrigen factory is valuable enough to the inhumans that they'd gladly explode the clouds themselves in exchange for a cup of terrigen every once in awhile.
Then "Cyclops" commits suicide by black bolt to show how awful the inhumans are after he declared war and is about to try and have a staring contest vs two heads of state.

>>88774995
Legacy Virus. M-Pox was from Terrigen Mists.

>>88775021
don´t be so melodramatic the fart gas is not more problematic than peanut butter in a supermarket shelf for an allergic kid in his house.

>>88775037
you are right.

>>88775079
Peanut isn't airborne, larger than many countries, and usually lethal.

>>88774995
>they never give a shit about mutant problems
You mean besides all the times they do give a shit?
I find it hilarious that anyone ever pulls that card when the X-men have been telling everyone else to back off of mutant problems for decades since only mutants are allowed to solve mutant problems. If they ignore that and try to help people they get told to fuck off but then when they let the X-men handle things it's clearly because the Avengers are racist and don't care.
The Avengers have even been consistently among the most nondiscriminatory organizations against mutants other than Shield (until recently which turned out to mostly be actually mutants causing problems for mutants via Shield instead of them suddenly being racist.)
Wanda and pietro used to be thought to be mutants, Falcon used to be thought to be a mutant, Rage is a mutant, Justice and Firestar are mutants. The whole Unity team is a crock of bullshit selling what the Avengers already used to have.
Apparently publicly declaring his stance against anti-mutant discrimination to a crowd and defending a mutant(Wanda) from a lynch mob doesn't count either.

>>88775161
It´s seems you did not read marvel opinion about it

>>88775323
Shield Approach to mutant problems:
>There is a new mutan with godlike powers
>NUUUUKEEE HIM RIGHT NOOOW!!!!

>>88775408
Yeah. And I notice that didn't happen in the fictional history of SHIELD since at least WWI until Bendis came along and Maria Hill was in charge. Either half of that combination is an equal oppurtunity shitbag to everyone.

>>88775454
Maria Hill will never make her ideal world where superpowers arms race is over and everyone irregular works for SHIELD so normal society can function without godlike beings destroying half of New York every week

>>88773374
doesn't change Islamists that throw gays off fucking rooftops being a much more apt comparisons to the Inhuman with their murder-cloud than the religious right in America

>>88773374

As a Christian in a third world country, I think you drank the cool aid.

Or do you mean África?

>>88773417
Don't give Soule any ideas, anon.

Who was more right, Rightclops or Magrighto

>>88776782
Rightclops is so right even when he is written to be in the wrong he is still right and the very idea of Cyclops that exists in people's memories is right.

>>88776782

someone post that "You know the difference between you and me? I'm Winning" page

Have they ever explained why the Inhumans refuse to bottle their Terrigen mist back up?

>>88777788
Plot

>>88763864
>That spoiler
>Implying that it would not be him bringing back the boy he has a massive crush on and all of his plans have not been just massive love declarations and confessions to Scott.

>>88777788
For that matter, have they ever explained why the usually insanely paranoid Marvel civillians are OK with a foreign Kingdom plopping itself down in the Hudson Bay and claiming major US territorial waters, all while recruiting US citizens to serve their Queen, raising a much more serious dual loyalty problem than mutants ever have?

>>88770415
I am curious. Has Soule ever written anything good? Because from the looks of it, all he does is produce very mediocre stories.

>>88765561
Considering this mutation was forced by Bendis for ANXM, it makes sense.

>>88761483
Mutants are immune to self awareness.

>>88777939
They want to fuck that queen

>>88768251

Chad Bowers, they've co-written a couple books together.

They did a video debate for Ask Chris once about whether or not Cap killed people in WW2

>>88778111
How is it a debate? Cap has mentioned more than once he killed people in WWII.

Heck, when he had to kill a terrorist back when Greunwald was writing him in the 80s, he mentions it's the first person he's killed since the war.

Though he shoots and kills a Hydra jetpack thug way back when Kirby was on the comic.

>>88765895
I actually would really like to write this idea. It would make for a really fascinating story while explaining a lot about how Cyclops thinks.

Because the whole being constantly 'right' as well as the constant control that he has to have over himself, gives him quite a lot of depth and explains a lot of his actions and regrets. For example, after someone's death, Scott could have seen all the ways he could have saved them and realized that he failed as a leader. It also gives his reunion with Jean a lot more poignancy as his mind could have been screaming at him that his decision was wrong and the likelihood of her being alive was almost zero, but his emotions for once, overtook his logic.

>>88778209
Remember back when he was running on all kinds of problems and left his wife so bad that she turned evil and demons invaded New York? Maybe he broke to the point it looped around and made him hyper-aware.

>>88765432
I actually see this making a lot of sense in a way. Hank is nostalgic for the old times and he wants to deny things have changed. I think that is ultimately the reason he brought the O5 back is that it wasn't to 'punish' Scott, not really. It was to relive happy memories. He wants Scott, his Scott, the best friend who was practically his brother back. He wants the X-Men and Avengers to be heroes again and not be at each others' throats. It's why he picks the winning side as he hopes to end conflicts so that those days can come back, but he ignores the fact he is responsible for this transition.

>>88764578
Hero vs hero is killing comics. There, I said it.

>>88778314
Well, if I was writing a Cyclops ongoing, (I can dream alright), I would use that as an example of Scott reaffirming his confirmation bias about his mind.

For once, Scott tried to go against his logical mutation and became more emotionally based as a person. I mean, from his marriage with Madelyne, he didn't seem to be happy, not really. It was an emotionally abusive and draining marriage that was only held together by Nathan and her mind fuckery. So imagine how it felt when he got away from her. Speaking as a guy who experienced a really bad relationship, it's fucking incredible. You feel like you can breathe again.

So when Inferno happened, Scott's confirmation bias was reaffirmed as it basically told him, 'You have an obligation to be right before you are happy'. And that is what Scott did. It's why he is so uptight all the time. He always had to maintain control of his powers and do what he knew was right, not what he wanted to do.

Combine that with the stress of him living with his powers and you can understand how he became the man he was.

>>88778157

I forget which side each was on, but one of them was taking stuff like Cap flipping his shit on Punisher in Civil War as a sign that he was against killing in general, so it was possible that he didn't do it in the war?

It was kinda stupid.

>>88777968
His Swamp-Thing was good.

>>88778589
He IS against killing in general. Killing in combat, in war, is different. He'll still try his best to avoid it, but he'll do it if he absolutely must.

During Spider-Island, when Flash Thompson had to kill the Spider Queen (?), it was Cap who comforted him and told him that he did the right thing in the situation.

>>88765895
>>88778209

>Cyclop's actual secondary mutation regarding knowledge of geometry, angles and all that math he does subconsciously for his assorted feats of bouncing shots. He literally sees all the angles now and is instinctively seeing the way things can play out and is selecting the best possible choice he can.

You know, Captain America is also exceptionally good with angles, bouncing his shield everywhere.

Cap is also always morally right. Not counting Hydra Cap.

Maybe the two are connected?

>>88778805
I would actually say that there is a very clear contrast between Scott and Steve's leadership over the years.

Steve is someone who is respected among the Avengers, immensely so. People in general listen to him and normally do not argue or contend for leadership. However, his teammates do have a tendency to defy him in some shape or form as they feel while he is moral, their ideas are better or Steve is not looking at the big picture.

Meanwhile Scott might be liked by some of the X-Men, by his leadership is always being contested by nearly everyone. However, when the push comes to shove, nearly everyone will listen to him in the end.

To me their styles are kind of like the 'Heart' vs the 'Brain'. Both of them are equally valid methods of leading, but they all have their problems.The difference is due to their childhood and powers, Steve being (Until Hydra) raised with a very strong moral code, to be the ideal American and Scott learning to be in control all of the time and to be the ideal leader.

>>88773806
And now that I find out that there is no cure possible for the mutants should join with their people to save their species.

It is the only way as it seems

>>88777788
Generic unspecified threat that requires all the inhumans to combat.
With the way events are going it may be oblivion.

>>88777939
They weren't at first but then suddenly they were. I pointed out in another thread that they don't seem to be above abusing mind control.

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>>88774613
Where do you think you are?

>>88774991
Fuck off, Beast
Cyclops was right

It would be fun if the M-Pox mutate, and start infecting and killing humans or inhumans alike.

That would be poetic justice

>>88773374
Africa has AIDS epidemic and gays will rape male and female babies to cure it. The fact that they will rape either sex is the odd thing. People try that shit because they are virgins.

>>88779059
This makes me wanna read a duo Title of these two.

>>88779272
That isn't how alleges work.

>>88778547
There should be a Cyclops mini or start of an on-going where Scott gains control of his powers and gets a chance to face the world without strict self-control.

>>88781052
They did that and he just became gunclops.

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>>88781241
That was brilliant, but no, I mean he can use his powers at will and has no reason to pretend that he cannot.

>>88761483
>Women
>Self-aware

>>88782532
Fuck that was such a good issue

>>88765909
The set up is retarded but the main point is that Cyclops literally constructs a utopia (removes world hunger, cures cancer, etc.) and then the Avengers fuck it up and then after fucking it up blame him for the entire thing.

>>88765479
CBR is a shithole. Why are you going there?

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>>88761483
That's probably the most amateur excuse for shading I've seen in a long time.

>>88775079
Holy Fuck. Marvel is terrible.

>>88785409
Oh so, we're glossing over the Phoenix Five's infighting, now huh?

Okay sure. Anything to keep the Rightclops narrative alive, I guess.

>>88785026
"Peter, I'm an X-Man, I don't shoot people." Mother Fucker, your mutant power is shooting concussive blasts out of your eyes. ALL YOU DO IS SHOOT PEOPLE! Fucking Cyclops, I loved you back in the day when you were an awkward Shinji Ikari type with the occasional display of unquestionable badassery.

>>88786107
Mate get that stick out of your ass. They're clearly talking about shooting people with bullets, from guns.

So how long till Scott gets resurrected and gets to say I told you so to everyone anyway?

>>88786709
Give it time. First the weird mind clone of Scott that Emma made has to appear and become sentient

>>88761483

that art and those colors....did i travel back into 1991 image comics?

>good discussions on peoples moral character
>decent-ish, reasonable-ish discussions on events and the state of Marvel
Good thread guys

>>88786841
Thanks buddy. Remember, Inhumans are cunts and they should be exiled into space where they belong.
Down with their shitty fart cloud!

>>88761483
Is the the OP pic related legitimately what was printed and sent out? Like officially?

Because that's some serious middle school levels of pencils, inks and colours.

>>88786888
Marvel's editors stopped doing their job long time ago

>>88787306
Ike did fire a bunch of competent editors back in 2011-2012 idk but I remember people speculating what the ramifications to that would be.

The remaining editors are very overwhelmed so more shit passes out than it should. Ike needs to leave. Working at marvel seems like a nightmare.

>>88787472
>fires a bunch of incompetent editors
>leaving behind more incompetent editors
Amazing

>>88765417
>You mean Summerfag
One hundred internets to you, sir

>>88775533
How is NYC in Marvel not a desolate, blasted and potentially irradiated wasteland after this long?