Ok so Civil War II further proves that comic Carol is shit. That

KA MA LA

KA MA LA

>>88732729
>Should Jess be in it as a supporting character?
Stop memeing this shit.

>>88732749
Never going to happen
>>88732782
>Carol has had a long standing friendship with Spider Woman in Marvel Comics
How is that a meme?

Setting up Moonstone for Thunderbolts.

>>88732749
Kamala will be in New Warriors

>>88732823
kamala and peter

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>>88732729
Carol thread!

Carol was right and Tony deserved to die. Yaas, Queen!

>>88732729

I can see Scarlet Witch filling that role in the MCU. Normies couldn't give a fuck about Spider-woman, but they're used to best Olsen and Scarlet Witch is the only other prominent superheroine in the MCU (BW doesn't count because she's not super and lol Netflix/AoS).

Also once upon a time SW was Carol's best beau.

>>88732945
I could see Spider Woman being Black Widow's replacement later on. Just a wall crawling agent who doesnt need wrist tasers. She has a good dynamic with Carol

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>Empress
Does she know?

>>88732729
>how can MCU movie Carol salvage the character?

she is gonna be female superman given her powers and the overall ton of the MCU.

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/CO/, does she have a waifu potential?

I would have loved Katheryn Winnick instead, but i still love the choice.


And which actress to play Jess? (a normie Jess, the Patsie way)

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>ok so

>>88733582
Im expecting binary/full super sayian
>>88735027
>Waifu material
She would (did) if it wasnt for that stupid haircut shes had lately
>>88735098
THATS A STRETCH AND YOU KNOW IT QUESO!

>>88732729
>That said, how can MCU movie Carol salvage the character?

They'll make her snarky and quippy and stronger than all the men.

That's literally it.

>>88735131
>that stupid haircut shes had lately

Show us anon.

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>>88732729
>Should Jess be in it as a supporting character?
No, she should be the love interest.

>>88732729
>That said, how can MCU movie Carol salvage the character?

Nobody reads comics. Nobody much is going to care. It doesn't matter.

>What do you expect/want to see?

I expect we'll see a younger version of Carol with a military career. Too young to be a senior officer, but certainly likely to be a flying officer with combat experience. Like if Captain America was a chick.

>Should Jess be in it as a supporting character?

Not unless Marvel are proposing to buy the character back from Sony. Even with the deal (which as far as I know only extends to Spider-Man himself and maybe his major supporting characters) it's pushing credulity to expect Sony to allow that, and it would complicate things like royalties just as much as contracts - signing an actress to play her at Marvel *and* Sony requires an additional set of lawyers.

Besides, Jess is garbage and you should die in a fire, Bendis.

>>88735147
And a nice schlong. decent comfy six-seven inches.

>>88732729
>Should Jess be in it as a supporting character?
love interest.

>>88732729

fuck, just look at that captain marvel, she finally turned into a man.

I expect her to essentially be a movie original character. Comics Carol is such a complete fuckup that nothing about her can, or should, be salvaged.

Only time I will say this for a comic film.
Fuck the comics and do an original story with original charcthers

>>88732729
>Ok so Civil War II further proves that comic Carol is shit.
How?
She was right.

Movie Carol is going to be absolutely nothing even close to any version of the character that's ever existed.

Then the comics will immediately change to be exactly like this version.

My guess is that she'll be a snarky Buffy-esque Joss Whedon character.

>>88732729
brash boisterous murderwaifu

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Yay! Another Carol and Jess thread! Jess should definitely be in the movie! Anyone who disagrees with me can go to hell. :-)

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>>88732945
How about both of them fuck off and we make it Monica?
Sets the stage for a whole Captain Marvel Corps down the line.

>>88732941
>Carol was right
Yes
>Tony deserved to die
No
>Yaas, Queen!
...Go back to Metafilter/Tumblr, faggot.

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>>88735027
Carol is definitive waifu material. She's moe af.

>>88737849
But muh Stahlin

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>>88737844
>>88737984
Why do you even care about Mahvel if you can't appreciate flawed characters?

>>88732864
Have they said anything about New Warriors since they announced it months ago?

>>88738272
Nah.
I'm not convinced Kamala'll will be in it, either. She'd work better in the movie playground, for various reasons.

>>88737953
How tell fuck was she right? Just because Tony was was a douche doesn't mean she she wasn't a facist moron bent on turning the system on it's head via thought-crime.

>>88738310
Honestly, I'm expecting the roster for that show to be decided by dartboard.
The only thing they've said about it is that SquirelGirl will be there.

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>>88738320
Carol outright shut down the New Jersey project when she got wind of what they were doing. The worst thing she did all-event-long was detain one suspected terrorist, and even then she prioritized finding hard evidence instead of going full Guantanamo.
Look at issue #1 again and tell me using Ulysses wasn't right.

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>>88738180

>>88738456
>oh gosh

>>88738456
Aww nice mommies

>>88732749
this, but its extremely unlikely it happens.

but on that note, how would they even introduce Kamala without Carol or Mar-Vell???

>>88732729
fuck carol
her movie will probably be shit too

>>88738706
>fuck carol her movie will probably be shit too
you're getting her movie and you're going to like it, asshole.

>>88738456
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>88732729
Make their own character pretty much. The comic one is a huge fucking mess.

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>>88738788
>you're getting her movie and you're going to like it, asshole.
AAHHHHHHHH
I DONT LIKE IT SAM I AM I DONT LIKE CAPTAIN MARVEL AND HAM
>>88738180
I'd rather have a Jessica Drew movie than a carol movie.

even if Jessica isn't Spider-Woman, i prefer her to Carol.
at least Jessica has an interesting character (kid/pre-teen in an adult body)

Monica should have been MCU Captain Marvel.

again, FUCK CAROL

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>>88732729
>That said, how can MCU movie Carol salvage the character?

Change her origin. Which they will to avoid green lantern parallels.

>What do you expect/want to see?

I hope we get a least one kree sentry. That would be pretty cool.

I hope whoever they get to play Mahr Vehl is decent.

I hope they remember Carol can absorb and redirect energy.

>>88732729
I actually thought the OP picture was of a guy at first.

>>88738939
>Change her origin. Which they will to avoid green lantern parallels.
actually, I'd prefer if carol was just female Hal.
Hal is funny is they do him right

>>88738918
>Monica should have been MCU Captain Marvel.
>again, FUCK CAROL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA bend over, here comes Carol!

>>88738912
Jessica Drew is a hot mess, but a FUN hot mess. Her interactions with Carol are great.

>I DONT LIKE IT SAM I AM I DONT LIKE CAPTAIN MARVEL AND HAM
ok, that was funny enough that I won't insult you. what would it take to make her movie more interesting for you? Other than replacing Carol with Monica, since we know that isn't happening....

>>88738918
Monica's duller by a factor of 20.
Shit she's the dullest Cap outright.

>>88738912
Sounds like you have uncommonly high standards for interesting tbqh.

>>88739005
Someone request this on /aco/

>>88732729
Carol is the victim here. She was written by Bendis. a fate worse than death

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>>88738456
Best married couple in Marvel?

>>88739012
she's more interesting just by virtue of being a black woman. theres alot of story potential just because of that, especially how that there's been more "pro-black" stuff in the american media, get some Black creatives behind it and it could be great. Think Atlanta or Insecure.

>>88739108
true

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>>88739005
>what would it take to make her movie more interesting [...] Other than replacing Carol with Monica
Any one of the other Captain Marvels.
Literally ANY of them, Mar through Noh, and this statement would make sense.

>>88739131
>she's more interesting just by virtue of being a black woman.
so.......you don't like Carol because she's white. thank you for finally being honest.

>>88739116
no. spidey and MJ were the best (die, Slott, die) and Carol + Jess aren't married yet.

Now that Jessica Jones and Luke Cage have split up, I literally cannot think of ANY married couples in Marvel. Can anyone else?

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>>88739131
>she's more interesting just by virtue of being a black woman.
Have these threads finally gone full-circle?

>>88739131
>she's more interesting just by virtue of being a black woman. theres alot of story potential just because of that, especially how that there's been more "pro-black" stuff in the american media, get some Black creatives behind it and it could be great. Think Atlanta or Insecure.


Feige, the man in charge of the MCU, wants Carol.

The die is cast, man.

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>>88739131
>>she's more interesting just by virtue of being a black woman.

>>88739116
are they official gay yet?
how long until that happens?
>>88739039
not in the slightest.
I like the old Spider-Woman comics from the 80s, the Bendis mini wasn't terrible, but i haven't read the hopeless series at all.
I like the art, but i can't get past
>hopeless
>>88739005
>Jessica Drew is a hot mess, but a FUN hot mess. Her interactions with Carol are great.
exactly. They're a great duo.

>what would it take to make her movie more interesting for you?
to be honest, I'm not even sure. I like the idea of Carol, and the idea of Carol as Captain Marvel, but since thats happened... (2011, 2012 was it?) she hasn't been much of a character at all. she's a stand-in for "feminism" and that doesn't actually have any meaning, she's girlpower with no weight believe me, as a woman I want to see empowered female characters and woman-centric stories, but I'd like if they could be good or at least decent, instead of absolute dogshit

I expect the MCU to completely do its own thing and go left-field, and I get the feeling MCU Carol will be a character like john mcclane or Ellen Ripley.
which is great in movies, but end of the day they still dont have much "character"

>>88739219
Crusher & Skeeter.
They're adorable.

>>88739219
Reed and Sue. Do they still count even though they're not in universe at the moment? What is it with Marvel and seemingly refusing to have hero with a stable relationship.

>>88737105
But Jess isnt a Spider Man character so why would they need to negotiate with SONY?

>>88739182
nah, i dont care that carol is white, I'm saying that because monica is black they can at least use that as a basis for her character if nothing else.

I dont like carol because Kelly Sue Deconnick ruined her. Alcholohic military carol was fun.
but thats not what she is anymore.

>>88732729
>That said, how can MCU movie Carol salvage the character?
You expect something good from the MCU? You haven't actually watched any Mousevel films lately, have you?

>>88739266
>she hasn't been much of a character at all
See, after the latest volume I contest this.
There was character in KSD's run too but it was mostly subdued and the big moments were few and far between. Butters & the Gages were a lot more extroverted with her.

>>88739335
Get out nerd this is a normie thread.

>>88736987
>>88737788
>>88738180
>>88738456
I get the appeal, and its about the ONE and ONLY time Id allow Marvel to do this kind of pandering, but it probably wont happen. But then again, Marvel Studios could probably get away with it given the liberties they've taken before. But dont hold your breath

>>88739345
>See, after the latest volume I contest this.
okay
let me read it and see, i couldn't be assed after the first couple KSD runs.

this is volume 3 or 4?
>>88739380
JESSICA AND CAROL OFFICIAL LESBIANS WHEN?????

>>88739219
>spidey and MJ
fuck off mj fag, that cardboard isn't even in the top ten spidey love interests

>>88739335
Really what harm could Marvel Studios do to Carol at this point? Shes been downhill for some time and Civil War 2 certainly isnt doing her any favors.

>>88739387
Is this bait? Because this screams "Ive never read Spider Man". Let me guess, you like Black Cat?

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She seems to be following Evan's example.

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>>88732729

I think it goes to show that there needs to be an industry wide move away from events. characters always develop better in their own series when an uninterrupted narrative is allowed to form.

In my opinion carol was great is several of her own series and the latest ultimates until civil war 2 happened

>>88732729
Shes a boring unrelatable character
>>88732749
Even more boring and more unrelatable

Why do you think three Batman comics are the top 3 sellers right now?

Because despite what people think because of bullshit polls, women are at best 10-20% of the comic industry and the sales represent that.

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>>88739315
Alcoholic Carol was one 4-issue arc.

>>88738788
We where getting a Inhumans movie to until Marvel realised they will never convinces us we actually care about the Inhumans

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>>88739453
>boring unrelatable character
>Batman comics are the top 3 sellers right now

>>88739450
This is especially true for Ghost Rider at the moment. For fuck sake Robbie is one of the few things worth reading right now, having potential to grow into something, and currently hes bogged down by team up shit nobody asked for at the very start of his new book

>>88739481
Until Ike got kicked out of the movies division, you mean

>>88739219
unmarried, have a kid together, lesbians

Try and do this even 10 years ago you would be labelled as what you are, mentally ill

>>88739453
>Batmanfags

>>88739481
>he doesn't know

>>88739481
If you can call it a movie. Its basically a glorified tv movie. Which sucks because I actually wanted The Inhumans to get a decent movie. Oh well, blame AoS

>>88739450
>>88739508
Modern comics are obsessed with team ups and crossovers. Diehard comic fans still like it, but that, among other things, can make it difficult for new fans to get invested.

>>88739502
cant tell what you are trying to convey.

Am I 'memeing' because I think Batman is relatable?

>>88739532
Inhumans suits the TV format better by a wide margin tbqh.
Plus it's getting IMAX budget so hey, win-win.

>>88739557
And interesting. But yeah mostly that one.

>>88739554
admittedly it's why I've been more into image and valiant for a while. Valiant series stand on their own and actually end. image series almost never interact and are completely independant.

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>>88739266
>she's a stand-in for "feminism" and that doesn't actually have any meaning, she's girlpower with no weight
I'm really not seeing it. she's still violent and jingoistic and a bit too kreeaboo for her own good

>>88739557
yes. the number of billionaire vigilantes in the world is zero.

So should they tap into the Kree/Skrull war or SWORD? Should carol fight Skrulls or just Yonrogg with a Kree Sentry?

>>88739266
>are they official gay yet?
not yet.
>how long until that happens?
beats me, but if it does happen, it will be in Spider-Woman. the most recent issue has some interesting developments.

>she hasn't been much of a character at all. she's a stand-in for "feminism" and that doesn't actually have any meaning,
you're right. KSD made her incredibly bland. Pretty much all long-term Carol fans (including me) hated her for that.

I became a Carol fan during Brian Reed's Ms. Marvel run. While imperfect and uneven, Reed took the time to dig into her character. The Cru arc is what sold Carol for me -- temporarily possessed by an alien, Carol is forced into her own subconscious, where she comes face to face with the fact that she is not a nice person. At all. After I became a fan, I read back through Carol's old stories, and that dark core has always been there. Carol is not nice. In fact, she's pretty damn mean sometimes. Heroing does not come naturally to her. As we all know, KSD just ignored all that, though to be fair the second half of her Captain Marvel run is better.

Why am I typing this wall of text? Because I wanted you to understand why I like Carol and why recent developments are good (for a change). The arc Fazekas and Butters wrote was quite good. The Carol they wrote is like a combination of Reed's and KSD's. She's got her shit together, but she tends to regress under stress. Her dark side is back. She quips, but it doesn't dominate the story. Issue #0 of "Mighty Captain Marvel" was decent. It wasn't perfect -- there were a few annoying moments, and the dream sequence was predictable. But the basics of Carol, her dark side, her problems, etc. are there. I'd encourage you to read Fazekas/Butter's "Rise of Alpha Flight" trade paperback. Judge for yourself.

Oh, and if Stohl starts that "YAAS QUEEN" shit I'll be the first one to tear her a new asshole.

>>88739656
Do they even own the rights to Skrulls?

>>88739683
skrulls, yes. super skrull specifically, no.

>>88739683
I believe they own Skrulls, just not Super Skrull given his connection to the F4

>>88739652
The vigilantism's irrelevent, the number of superheroes in the world is zero.
Otherwise yes orphaned billionaire black-belts are uncommon.

>>88739683
Apparently they're shared but they've still staved off of using them. Hence Xandarians being the Kree's new punching bag.

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>>88739502
Anyone else notice something? its like despite what Marvel try and convince you white males are still the majority reader of comics

>>88739758
I see no correlation between your statement and your picture

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>>88739758
I'm a white male and don't inherently prefer white males on any sort of principle.
That my 3 favourite capes happen to be such is coincidental.

>>88739818
12/17 comics have a whitemale MC
5/17 are Batman

But i guess white males and Batman are Unrelatable?

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>>88733428

I would not care about the current influx of "super powered women" if people would actually buy the comics they just spent the last year convincing needed to 'change' for a political ideal. But they don't. They bitch and get shit to change with no interest in actually supporting the comics industry.

>>88739856
my argument was that 'relatability' has nothing to do with a character's popularity

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Have Black Widow either die or retire in Infinity War, bring in Spider Woman to replace her. She practically does everything she can but better anyway.
>Venom Blast stronger than Widow's Sting (and nowhere near retarded/broken as Mile's version)
>Great at hand to hand
>Spy shit
>Everyone loves wall crawling
Either tie her origin to the Red Room or just pull the HYDRA card again.

>>88739924
>current influx
there's been barely any new superpowered women.

>>88739675
okay anon, thanks for the rec
i dont want to dislike carol, but i guess i just haven't read enough good comics with her.
it sucks that most of her recent books have been no good, but I guess that can really be said of alot of Marvel books (x-Men, Spider-Man, GotG, etc)

>>88739987
they dont have to kill black widow, but I dont think Johansson wants to make these movies anyway, just retire her and Downey Jr.

>>88739924
>influx
uhh
who?? in the last year theres been Gweenpool and thats it.

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vampire carol was adorable

>>88740032
you're welcome, anon.

>>88740092
Works for me. More reason to bring in Jess and have her play off Carol
>>88740119
>Blah Blah! I vant to suck your dick!

>>88740357
>We'll never see drunken murder Carol
At best she'll have anger issues

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>>88732945

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>>88740434
cute

>>88740487
>Jess is off panel, arms crossed, pretending not to care about the attention Carol is giving Wanda
>CARES IMMENSELY

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>>88740543
>off in the distance, Jean Grey cries and doesn't know why

>>88740434
blasephemous

>>88732729
The whole straps to represent the stripes in comic costumes aesthetic worked somewhat for Cap's 40s gear, but here it just looks tacky. Can we please get some fucking costumes that don't all look the same? It feels like Thor and Black Widow and Star Lord go to the same tailor.

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>>88735131
>full super sayian

>>88741050
Seems about right. Best Carol was EMH Shepard Carol. So fingers crossed MCU Carol is in that same vein

>>88738190
>>Carol was right
>...
>Not recognizing bait

Am I being baited myself?

>>88732729
Maybe the movie will invent a personality for her.

>>88732749
Replacing shit with shit isn't a fix

>>88741742
Its not like we can get her embiggen powers to look good anyway. And before I get a bunch of Ant Man responses, the difference is his helmet which allows certain CGI shorcuts. You try modeling a 50ft girls face and not have it look like crap. Stretching is more doable, but Id rather get Richards down the line (if at all).

>>88741812
after seeing Rogue One I'm fairly confident in modern technology's ability to model human faces

>>88741853
Well they did de-age Douglass pretty damn well

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>>88740589

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>>88739446
I'm sure there will be a Brieposting spike when Wonder Woman tanks.

>>88739608
you kidding? That face in the last panel and haircut literally screams "ask me about my feminist agenda."

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>>88744652
that's the expression she makes when about to kill an enemy of america

>>88744780
Wait, how many times did that guy die?

That's the guy who kidnapped Carol and put her in her original Ms Marvel costume, the one that broke Justice's leg, that was during Busiek's Avengers, he died at the end of the issue if I recall.

Did he came back or what?

Also I miss her black costume, long hair, "trying to redeem myself and be a good hero" persona.

>>88744817
>Did he came back or what?
yeah, he was forcefully brought back as part of reactivating the death machine.

> I miss her black costume, long hair, "trying to redeem myself and be a good hero" persona.
in broad strokes she did. she dragged her reputation out the gutter, regained lost power, regained lost friends, regained lost self-respect, and became a much more trusted member of the superhero community.

but her new ongoing looks to be all about her struggling with the knowledge that becoming a good hero hasn't magically made her a good person

>>88740119
>sucking blood through a straw
I want a Carolpire.

>>88745389
it's from Secret Wars: Spider-Island, before you ask