So let me get this straight >family gets killed >one year

>>88710102
because its a poorly written, forgettable movie.

You managed to spectacularly miss the point.

>>88710102
>>relies on an accident that puts Avengers in a bad light
>>relies on a hearing for the avengers so he can bomb it
>If all he needed was to blow the UN up, why didn't he do it earlier?
>>masks himself to be bucky so the avengers can track him down, who happens to be like 30 minutes away
>>relies on Captain America and Iron Man failing to capture Bucky
>>relies on a delivery man and no one asking for his ID when he goes into the psychology thing
>>all to find out what he already knew
None of this is the case.

Zemo's entire plan is two fucking steps. The other stuff is only tangentially related.

Step 1. Find dirt on Avengers
Step 2. Disseminate that dirt to divide them.

>Family dies
>Blames the Avengers
>Wants revenge
>Deduce that Bucky killed the Starks and Cap hadn't told Stark about it
>Knows this will break the Avengers
>Need evidence
>Track down Bucky's handler
>He doesn't break
>Frame Bucky for a bombing to flush him out of hiding
>Incidentally do so just as the Avengers are already splintered over the Accords
>Masquerade as a psychiatrist to acquire the evidence's whereabouts from Bucky
>Go to base
>Acquire evidence
>Cap, Stark and Bucky manage to track you down
>Take the opportunity to show them the evidence rather than release it later as originally planned
>Try to an hero
>Get cockblocked
>In jail
>But you still won

>>88710205
>I dont have an argument but you are wrong

kys m8

>>88710250
but that all is the case, you are over simplifying his plan for no reason by saying it was just "find dirt on the avengers" the plan is HOW he goes about it which does rely on all the coincidence you fucking idiot

>>88710278
you didnt actually explain anything, you just made his plan seem even more retarded and convoluted.

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>>88710205
>>88710250
>Today's catch

At least make the OP use fresh bait.
All he has to do is pretend he didn't understand the movie, drop a few insults, and away he goes? Disappointing.

>>88710341
It doesn't.

>Bucky knows where the dirt is
>Frame Bucky for something so the government finds him for you
>Gain access to him and get the info you need

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

>>88710356
>pointing out legitimate stupidity is bait now

kys

>>88710351
You're just kinda' stupid, man. It's no shame.

>>88710371
how did he know the perfect way to fram bucky? how did he know bucky had the dirt? how would his plan have worked if they werent at the UN? If Cap never discovered bucky? Its a dumb fucking plan that relies on coincidence.

>>88710102
Remember, the OP is a devotee of fine Kino, where they have to show the origin story twice in the same movie in case the target audience gets up for popcorn and forgets the entire "plot".

>>88710387
>I have no argument but you are dumb
k

>>88710398
>muh boogie man
sad, also noticed how you still cant actually explain away anything OP said?

>>88710371
>has a whole year to plan
>just waits for Bucky to enter the picture for his plan

wow

>>88710397
>how did he know the perfect way to fram bucky?
It just had to be something public. Bombing the UN is the logical choice.

>how did he know bucky had the dirt?
Because Bucky has Hydra's top assassin and he had surmised from the leaked files that Bucky had been involved.

>how would his plan have worked if they werent at the UN?
What?

>If Cap never discovered bucky?
Then he'd just keep trying until someone did.

>>88710102
What's wrong OP? Not enough exposition dialogue to help your tiny mind fill the holes?

Zemo had Hydra's files in his disposal. That means he probably had Zola's algorithm findings, meaning he could be one step ahead of his enemies, since he had a way into reading their next step.

>>88710397
>how did he know the perfect way to fram bucky?
Kill important political figures WS-style dressed as WS? Is that too hard of a concept for you?
>how did he know bucky had the dirt?
At worst Barnes the terrorist agent is a good wedge to drive between Cap and Tony, and being a Hydra goon just proving Hydra killed Howard is pretty good stuff. But he hit a home run.
>how would his plan have worked if they werent at the UN?
Why would they need to be at the UN for it to work?
>If Cap never discovered bucky?
The Avengers are incredibly resourceful? They find Hydra agents and bases for a hobby.

>>88710480
see
>>88710102
>If all he needed was to blow the UN up, why didn't he do it earlier?

>>88710429
He tracked down Bucky's handler, but couldn't torture the intel out of him.

>>88710102
He mostly did the plan as he went, there were no coincidences, just taking advantage of the present situation.

>>88710506
Because he dedicated a good portion of that one year searching for the Hydra handler. When that didn't pan out, then he decided to bomb the UN to weed out Bucky directly.

>>88710102
>>relies on an accident that puts Avengers in a bad light
This wasn't needed for his plan. It just helped speed it along.

>relies on a hearing for the avengers so he can bomb it
No, he just needed to frame Bucky for some high-profile attack. This was just one of any he could've picked.

His plan was:
>Find the tape
>Show it to Tony

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>>88710495
They didn't spout descriptive lines about how Zemo "was a hothead" or "a big guy" so he had to struggle to figure out his characterization on his own.
And they didn't explain the overall plot Goyer style like a children's book.

This is what happens when DCfriends try to take in a Marvel film. Luthor's "Muh daddy ruined my butthole/he wuz a God/I hate Gods now/Why am I working for Gods?" is simply more relatable for them.

>>88710102

a/k/a MCU writers are shitty, lazy sausage makers

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>>88710605
Better sausage than turds?

>>88710618
>Also known as "A DCfriend buys the Extended Directors Cut "Fixed" Edition.

>>88710531
where was that explained? sounds like headcannon

>>88710495
>That means he probably had Zola's algorithm findings, meaning he could be one step ahead of his enemies, since he had a way into reading their next step.

That wasnt in the movie though, its headcanon

>>88710586
what WAS Zemos character outside of wanting revenge?

>>88710649
When he is torturing the handler he talks about how much time he dedicated to decoding and studying the leaked files to find him to get the mission report, which the handler refuses to give.

Later Cap basically walks you through Zemo's line of reasoning for framing Bucky while talking to Sharon and Sam.

>>88710502
>At worst Barnes the terrorist agent is a good wedge to drive between Cap and Tony and being a Hydra goon just proving Hydra killed Howard is pretty good stuff. But he hit a home run.


So his plan would have fallen apart at the end if he didnt get lucky and Bucky just happened to be the one to kill Tony's parents?


>The Avengers are incredibly resourceful? They find Hydra agents and bases for a hobby.

They found a few but they obviously arent that good at it or else Agents of Shield wouldnt exist

>>88710508
so he is bad at what he does then

>>88710575
>This wasn't needed for his plan. It just helped speed it along.

The rest of his plan would not have worked if not for it though


>No, he just needed to frame Bucky for some high-profile attack. This was just one of any he could've picked.

How would any other high profile attack work at doing what he wanted? The accords were specifically a UN thing

Cap 2 Happens
Black Widow releases SHIELDS dirty laundry onto the internet
AoU happens
Zemo's family dies, he swears revenge
Civil War Happens
Zemo has Shield's dirthy laundry, tracks down a hydra guy, tortures him into getting intel, and then he uses that intel to pit Steve and Tony against each other.

It's not even a complex plan so OP is just admitting he's dumb.

>>88710518
>He mostly did the plan as he went, there were no coincidences, just taking advantage of the present situation.

So it was all luck

>>88710687
so he wasted a whole year doing shit all and decided to just frame bucky at the last minute? Shitty plan.

>>88710658
It's a logical assumption.

>the zola algorithm exists as part of hydra
>Zemo has decrypted hydra's files

You call it headcanon because it went over your head. It's ok anon, not everyone is smart.

>>88710605
this

>>88710738
that shit was never in the movie and is in no way a logical assumption

>oh look this talking AI
>oh shit this talking AI MUST mean he decrypted the files because...... yeah because

>>88710658
Perhaps you needed an expository session like Wonder Woman watching youtube clips to fill in the blanks in your head

>>88710649
>>88710658

Oh no, it's you isn't it? The guy who made the "Doctor Strange sucked but actually I just wanted to make a bait thread about how I don't like someone else's arguments against BvS, also anything that wasn't literally explained word for word is headcanon, except when it's beneficial for my argument to say otherwise."-thread...

If it's you, please leave.

>>88710765
It's just fucking explained to you how it is a logical assumption you fucking dipshit.

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>>88710722
Not really, if things went on a different way, his plan would have adapted to it.

This is the advantage of making things as you go.

>>88710407

>Does the exact same thing

Thinking is new to you, I take it

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>>88710824
He is the most patethic Hack Snyder autist of the board.

Just look at this autistic shit:
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/88265798/#88265798

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>>88710668
>what WAS Zemos character outside of wanting revenge?
A guy who loved his family?
The movie isn't supposed to be about the rich Sokovian childhood and first romance of the villain.
It's supposed to be about the strain and breakdown of the Avengers dynamic.

You're a big fan of a trilogy where the villains ENTIRE motivation is "Society is Corrupt, we gonna blow up fuggin Gotham." NOW you require a 30 minute villain backstory?

The level of DCfriend shitposting has certainly gone down as of late. I blame trauma.

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Here's what a shit villain plot reads like OP
>So the next Superman might be some chaotic evil fucker who wants to take out our government
>So we recruited this ancient chaotic evil superhuman just in case one shows up
>And taught her where to look for a government's most dangerous secrets
>Oh and introduced her to a roomful of top-level national security people, just in case
>But it's ok, even though she can assrape Iran's national security in .7 seconds, I have control over her from something inside this briefcase. No way she could pop off my head like a cherry and Teleport it out of the case or anything
>She Awakens Ancient Evil as a hobby while everyone is napping
>Fuck, it's ancient evil, let's send OUR ancient evil to deal with it, no flaws in that plan!!
>Well fuck, their Powers have Combined!
>Do we call Batman, Flash and Wonder Woman?
>Nah, lets arm up some hookers, gangbangers and bank robbers that Batman uses for punching bags.
>Oh and let's send some special forces and a genuine Superhero to, you know, actually deal with the threat.
>Brilliant!!

>>88710783
>watching visuals
>exposition

do you know what exposition is?

>>88710935
>>88710824
lol thats not me at all, but good job with "muh boogieman" you guys are pathetic, I dont even like Snyder

>>88710866
so he didnt have a plan he just made it up as he went?

>>88710975
im not a fan of anything like that, stop projecting


and where does it show he loved his family? if anything his character is being obsessed with revenge but he doesnt even do that well.


And how was the movie about the breakdown of the Avengers dynamic? They have one fight and then Cap calls Tony and they are best bros again.

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>>88711099
If you aren't that turbo-artist, you are doing a brilliant impression of him.
Is "Muh Boogieman" your Bazinga catchphrase?

Why it is certainly "rustling our jimmies" eh wot?

>>88711081
how does one call Flash, Batman, or Wonder Woman in the DCEU? Do they have phone numbers they give out?

>>88711119
>They have one fight and then Cap calls Tony and they are best bros again.
Ok, so you didn't even watch the movie. 1/10

>>88711121
>only one person can have problems with muh MCU

how is that not a boogieman? you attribute all hate towards your movies to one autist?

>>88711143
one and a half fights, one with a bunch of cameos and one in a bunker, but still, all it takes is one little message to tony at the end and they are bros, did YOU watch the movie?

>>88711131
THEY LITERALLY CONTACT BATMAN TO PICK UP DEADSHOT
THEY EXPLAIN THIS IN THE FIRST ACT
confirmed for unable to even grasp basic movie plot.

>>88710102

When you consider all the ways that this could go wrong, you realize very little of it was up to coincidence.

>what if no one gets to Bucky in time and the cops kill him

then Cap would definitely never trust the accords or Stark ever again

>what if Iron Man didn't make it to the bunker at the end

Zemo slips out the back while Cap and Bucky are making their way through, and later sends Stark the info at a good opportunity.

>what if the Avengers didn't get anyone killed in Nigeria

they were getting blamed for NY, DC, and Sokovia already. Something was bound to happen sooner or later.

>how did he know about Bucky killing the Starks

that could easily be in one of the encrypted Hydra files.

Only real coincidence is, how did he know Bucky would be in Europe, and be taken to that one police station in Germany. That one's seriously unexplained.

>>88711145
Bazinga!

Is it that unrealistic to assume that he was opportunistic and coming up with some of these steps on the fly?

>>88711175
>then Cap would definitely never trust the accords or Stark ever again


what makes u say that? He still trusted Stark after he made a robot army that almost destroyed the world


>Something was bound to happen sooner or later.
So coincidence?

>>88711169
Wow, not even the anon you are replying to, but you are absolutely dumb. They didnt call Batman to pick up Deadshot, he just got him because he is a superhero and thats what he does. I bet you think they called flash to get boomerang too

>>88711199
no, but it takes away from the master planner aspect of Zemo and makes his whole plan rely on luck.

>>88711188
you sure showed him you idiot

>>88710783
exposition are words dumbass

>>88711199
It's not unrealistic. Just stupid and lazy.

>>88711205
Everything that happens in any movie, is based on coincidence.

I'm not the anon you replied to btw

>>88711214
Waller is directly asked how they managed to get the "guy who never misses".
She point-blank says that they gave the information to the Bat, and had him do the legwork?
Is this not in the pre-fixed Theater Retard Version or something?

>>88711121
>le reddit faces
jeeeeesus, what has happened to /co/

>>88710935
>this same copy+pasta

that guy was autistic, but you are more so for constantly posting this, pretending that only person could possibly have problems with your precious MCU

>>88711258
It filled up with Company Wars faggots making movie bait threads?
I'll go with that.

>>88711109
He had a goal, and adapted to the situation to get there.

>>88711254
feeding someone information is not the same as telling/asking/calling someone to do something you fucking idiot.

>>88711282
so if bucky never killed Tony's parents how would have gotten to that goal?

>>88711282
If Cap never turned Bucky good how would he have succeeded?

>>88711205
>what makes u say that?

>hey Cap you need to trust the authorities when they say not to get involved without permission
>oh hey sorry the authorities got your best bro and only friend from 1945 killed, but it's not like you could have done any better, right?

No way he ever would have worked with Stark again after that. And then, Falcon has no reason to be on the team, and Scarlet Witch would probably not feel comfortable staying on a team headed by Tony Stark.

>So coincidence?

Is it coincidence to assume that something that already happened 3 times would happen again?

>>88711145
>>only one person can have problems with muh MCU
No, but I find it hard to believe there's a multitude of people here going
>B-but they never said that in the movie! Where's your quote? I-It's just your headcanon! Muh plotholes!

>>88711292
Probably something involving Hulk or maybe Natasha or Clint. Or Wanda. Or reveal that Tony essentially built Ultron.

Because again the endgame is "discredit Avengers on the world stage and force the team apart" and there's plenty of ammo for it because the only really good ones are Cap and MAYBE Thor.

>>88711265
You can stop pretending, turbo autist.

>>88711317
what happened three times? They were all different incidents?


Also I think making a robot army that almost destroys the world is a lot more untrustworthy than trusting authorities for killing an alleged terrorist.

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>>88711283
Setting aside the fact that people like Flash and Batman routinely respond to bank hold ups and alley muggings on their own resources, is it not amazing they failed to respond to the giant Ghostbusters Rift to Gozer that was eating up an entire city? Would Waller or anyone else really need to feed info to Batman on a catastrophe you can practically see from space?

Is he forming the Justice League simply to stop Boomerang from holding up the State Bank?

Please, more mental gymnastics, I am in stitches here.

>>88711340
then why didnt he do any of those if they would have been infinitely easier to employ and require a lot less luck and coincidence?

>>88711344
You're hopeless, get help.

>>88711333
Nice numbers.

Its obvious that it is the same obssessed redditor by the way that he writte.

>>88711362
Because he had the opportunity. He probably would have done any of those things under different circumstances, but he saw his chance and took it.

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>>88710102
How is this more retarded than the trinity not figuring out giving the krypto spear to WW to kill Doomsday?

Batman, the greatest detective in the fucking world, and he is too retarded to figure out this would be a way to defeat DD without getting Superman killed?

>>88711357
We simply do not know what they were doing at the time. Maybe Flash was helping civilians, maybe Batman was trying to take down enchantress but didnt get there in time, maybe a million things.


But on the same token, why didn't anyone help Thor when England was invaded? Why didn't anyone help Tony with the mandarin? Why didn't anyone help Cap take down Hydra?

>>88711362
Because the luck and coincidence are just OP being a fag and complicating the plan in order to bait people.

>>88711385
Out of the mountain of retarded plot turns in BvS, that one is at least reasonably explainable.

>>88711385
>and he is too retarded to figure out this would be a way to defeat DD without getting Superman killed?
He )and the director) still wanted to get Superman killed because they actually hate Superman. Easy peasy.

>>88711346
>what happened three times?

The Avengers fought some bad guys and civilians got hurt. What the fuck do you think?

>Also I think making a robot army that almost destroys the world is a lot more untrustworthy

Key word being almost. And also, building Ultron wasn't something Tony stark devoted a lot of time trying to convince Cap would be a good idea; it was more of a spur of the moment thing. He did it behind his back but there's a big leap from that to:

>trust us not to kill ur friend even though you have every reason not to
>oops, we killed ur friend

>>88711385
You're an idiot, there was no time to do it, WW was holding Doomsday down with her rope while Superman just plunged in there with the Kyrptonite staff. They didnt have time to plan shit you idiot.


By that token, why didn't Tony just call in Thor to take care of Mandarin?

>>88711403
but they are literally part of his plan, how is it complicating it?

>>88711401
>But on the same token, why didn't anyone help Thor when England was invaded?
Malekith was in England maybe 10 minutes.
Enchantress was fucking up a city long enough for them to have sent in teams of special forces, not had that work, recruited the Skwad, then flown them into the city. Enchantress was fucking shit up for days.

>HOW COULD ZEMO PERFORM THIS MUCH KEIKAKU? THIS SUCKS! MARVEL REEEE

>He was actually taking advantage of the opportunities that presented themselves along the way

>WHY DIDN'T ZEMO PERFORM ANY KEIKAU? IT'S JUST LUCK! THIS SUCKS! MARVEL REEEE

>>88711457
This, in a nutshell, is the essence of the thread.
Zemo didn't sew a cell-phone into a mental patient so he's shit tier.

>>88710102
Plot holes

Movies have them

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>>88711438
>y that token, why didn't Tony just call in Thor to take care of Mandarin?
Because they make a point of showing Thor constantly bipping off to Asgard, and Tony doesn't have cell service to Asgard?

Is this a trick question or are you just retarded?

>>88711228
I dunno, I feel like if all of the events in the movie were according to some master plan it would make everything feel even more contrived and absurd. Like I can buy him waiting on some event to blame on the Avengers because that falls in line with his motivations and it's also just a matter of time for people that dangerous to fuck something else up.

>>88711531
Quit being intelligent and reasonable!

>>88711401
>why didn't anyone help Thor when England was invaded?

The other Avengers are all in the US, and the England invasion took place within a span of like 30 minutes. No one would be able to get there in time.

>Why didn't anyone help Tony with the mandarin?

Would have been nice to get someone else's help in the middle of the movie, but Tony was stranded without working comms. By the end of it he probably could have called the other Avengers but he had 40 suits flying to him that would get there first anyway.

>Why didn't anyone help Cap take down Hydra?

Hydra specifically says in the beginning of the movie to monitor all cell phones for signs of Cap. If he called another Avenger they would know about it. This is specifically why they went to Sam Wilson, the one contact Cap has that Hydra doesn't know about, and also they knocked on his front door instead of calling him.

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>>88711249

>>88710709
>The rest of his plan would not have worked if not for it though
How so? All he needed was Bucky to be captured so that he could get the location of the tape from him, and then show that tape to Tony.

>How would any other high profile attack work at doing what he wanted? The accords were specifically a UN thing
All he needs is for people to start hunting for Bucky. He could bomb any UN meeting, or just keep making high-profile attacks around the world.

>>88711513
then why didnt Tony or Cap help when England was being invaded?


Also Tony is smart enough to figure out a way to contact Thor

>>88711109
He had a plan.

Figure out where the tape is, and show it to Tony.

At first he was gonna get the location from the HYDRA guy directly, but the HYDRA guy refused to talk.

So he decides to get the location from Bucky. So he frames Bucky to fish him out.

Bucky gets captured by the UN, so Zemo figures out how to get access to him from there.

When he's cornered in the Siberian base and thus can't get to Tony, he leaks his crimes to Tony, so that Tony will come to him.

>>88711456
>Malekith was in England maybe 10 minutes.


Nah it was much longer than that that the black holes kept fucking shit up in England

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>>88711558
I still want to know how at least Batman, Flash and Wonder Woman failed to ever respond to at least 48 hours of city ravaging.

Is this not what the League is explicitly for? Had the villain Waller not formed the Gangbang Squad, apparently the earth would have been destroyed or at least badly mangled.

When was the new League going to show up?

>>88711558
Tony wasnt stranded by the end of IM3, there were plenty of opportunities to contact people.


And why didn't cap knock on other people's doors?

>>88711228
The whole point is that MCU Zemo is NOT a master planner. He is a patient man who can spin almost anything that happens so that it works to his advantage. He is a master improviser, which in my eyes is way more realistic and fun than him perfectly predicting everything that would happen.

>>88711457
>>88711486
How did either of you get that? The first post literally is about how his plan has no keikau and its shitty for that....

>>88711531
But thats not his character, his whole thing is being a master planner and have master keikau

>>88711675
see
>>88711558
And it's a major plot point in Thor Dark World that Thor had been incommunicado with even Jane Foster for quite some time. Interdimensional comm isn't Tony's field of expertise. If he had a phone line to Odin's castle you would have been the first to call bullshit on it.

>>88711594
ex·po·si·tion
ˌekspəˈziSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
a comprehensive description and explanation of an idea or theory.

>>88711456
How long realistically was loki in Germany that sheild/Tony could mobilize and attack him?

>>88711706
>Tony wasnt stranded by the end of IM3

did you read my post? At the end of the movie he had 40 suits flying to him, that probably had a better flying speed than any other Avenger except Thor, who no one can really just call up. He was probably anticipating the final fight would be over before anyone could come help.

>And why didn't cap knock on other people's doors?

Whose doors? Random people? Why?

Other Avengers? They were on a tight schedule and Sam was in DC; the other Avengers weren't.

>>88711457
You idiots cant even decide if he had a plan or not


>>88711531
>he made it up as he went along


>>88711677
>nah it was all apart of his plan

>>88711745
no I wouldnt, cause he would finally be acting in character for once

>>88711707
so MCU Zemo is nothing like comics Zemo then?

>>88711764
Now you are being a fag.

>>88711707
>He is a master improviser

more like he has master luck

>>88711753
so you are saying it was easier for them to find Sam and steal super secret technology then to just go find another Avenger to help? Thats retarded.

>>88711782
How? Tony's whole thing in the comics is being a super smart prick who can engineer anything. You were the one projecting on to me what I would and wouldnt like.

>>88711759
You're being obtuse. He had a plan:
>Find Tape
>Show Tony

The rest he adapted as he went. When something failed, he tried another route of the same base plan.

>>88711759
>>>88711677
>>nah it was all apart of his plan

That post is literally a series of "at first he was gonna do this, but then something else happened so he did that instead"

>>88711751
They had deduced what Loki was after before Loki had moved on it, and rushed to respond, Shield barely getting Cap and Widow there in time.
This is different from a spacecraft literally plowing in from Dimension X.

Do us all a favor and go back and watch these movies, this isn't as hard as you are trying to make it.

>>88711779
I thought that was obvious? Was it not clear from the change in country of origin, motivation for being evil, him not being a baron, lack of purple balaclava, entire characterization, etc? You only figured that out now?

>>88711779
I mean, he has pretty much zero in common. Kinda like TDK Bane.

>>88711803

Yeah, it;s easier to go knock on some guy's door across town than to spend an entire day driving up to New York to talk to Tony when you don't even know if Tony's in his New York tower or his home in fucking California.

>>88711810
>Tony's whole thing in the comics is being a super smart prick who can engineer anything.
You're thinking of Reed Richards. He's the guy who can pick apart alien technology and open portals to other dimensions.

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Zemo's plan was to get revenge on the Avengers for bringing Ultron to life, and his war to sokovia, Zemo's place. but how is he gonna do that?

Black Widow leaks all of HYDRA's secrets to the public.
Zemo reads it and deciphers even deeper secrets
eventually he stumbles on a date, december 16,1991.

due to lack of information, let's say that the hydra files mention an assasination attempt carried by the winter soldier on the same date but no info on the target.

now, nobody would know this except high ranking HYDRA operatives, but what happened that exact same date that's know to the public?

Howard Stark's death.

now Zemo knows this is just a hunch, but if the WS, Steve's pal did kill Iron Man's daddy then this would be just the thing needed to destroy the avengers, whom he hates so much. in order to confirm this new info he needs to hear it from the horse's mouth, the winter soldier himself but at the same time he needs to know how to get him to talk.

it's very likely that the hydra files mention the red book used to control the WS and the location of said book and know handlers

>>88711784
Could you explain that?

>>88711751

Loki got captured on purpose. He waited around for them.

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this is where Zemo's plan really starts, after finding the book he must:

1. stage a bombing, anything big enough to blame the winter soldier
* fortunately, the sokovia accords thing in vienna will provide

2. then a worlwide manhunt for the winter soldier happens, since the avengers are involved, they will capture him.
* this speeds up zemo's plan

3. pose as the only person who could have the most alone time with the WS, anything will suffice just to get more info on the date of the assasination.
* a psychiatrist will provide

4. Bucky spills the beans about Howard's death, the tape, the new super soldier serum batch and something that Zemo probably didn't know, the remaining Winter Soldiers.

and that's it, Zemo already won. what happens next is just conveniant to Zemo, Tony discovers the truth and this leads to a fight with Cap, effectively destroying the avengers.

Zemo's plan was not that complicated and not even that long, but it was effective.

>>88711750
>DCkek is dumb as a rock

Why am I not surprised?

The thing you quote defines exposition as a form of narrative. In movies, narrative is both words and picture you fucking dumb cunt.

I wanted more Zemo. He definitely deserved longer one-on-one scenes with Steve.

>>88711864
I'm disappointed it didn't involve clever piss-placement or wrecking the planet's atmosphere so I lose my own superpowers, that's all I am saying.

>>88710102
He was a black ops guy
He got Intel from Widow going public
He used his skills to find the info he needed to start shit

>>88711894
I'm willing to wait for a Russian-serum enhanced Zemo in a Masters of Evil blowout.
Make it a two parter with the Avengers getting blown the fuck out Empire Strikes Back-style in the first film.

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>>88711910
>I'm disappointed it didn't involve clever piss-placement


Kek

>>88711131
Contact the cops they work with

>>88711949
whats that gif from?

>>88711954

Batman and Wonder Woman don't work with cops in the DCEU. Flash, we don't have enough info on to make a ruling really.

>>88711954
Fuck, throw it up on TV and radio, they were losing an entire city for fuck's sake.

>>88711979
>Batman and Wonder Woman don't work with cops in the DCEU.

Why are they casting Gordon in Justice League then? Are you really selling that Batman doesn't have a long history with Gordon in the DCEU? I find that hard to believe.

>>88712021
>Are you really selling that Batman doesn't have a long history with Gordon in the DCEU?

He probably does, but if the cops were still on board with him during the "rage that makes men cruel" phase of his crusade then that's just more bad writing.

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So we'll get more of Zemo right? I want him to focus more on Cap and obvious don his classic look.

>>88712060

that would be cool, but at this point, doesn't he have more reason to hate Panther in the MCU? Maybe he'll find out that Cap beat up Iron Man but didn't kill him and be super pissed about that?

>>88711970
Russian movie, Snow Queem. One of Myazaki's major inspirations, I recomend.

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>>88712041
>then that's just more bad writing.
Your point being?

>>88712095
I think he'll start hating Cap more as time goes on simply because he is (or was) the soul of the Avengers. And like you said, he refused to kill Tony.

>>88712163
>(or was)

Cap's squad seems more like the real Avengers at this point.They have Cap, Falcon, and Hawkeye, who get along well with each other, and Wanda, who definitely looks up to both Cap and Hawkeye. Black Widow will probably join up with them since she's on the run anyway, and when/if Banner comes back and finds out what happened you know he won't be on Tony's side at all.

That leaves Tony and Rhodey, and also Vision on the other side, but Vision is going to spend the whole time wishing he could be with his waifu. Maybe if Tony's lucky Thor will side with him, but I doubt it.

Cap still has a team; Tony has a crippled friend and a depressed robot.

>>88711849
all of his improve relies on being lucky

>>88711842
and so can Tony, or did you forget that he just made an app that makes people de-age?

>>88711812
>>88711811
so then he had no plan and made it up as he went along? Or he had a plan but it didnt go right, but that didnt matter because he got lucky and had events that worked in his favor anyway?

So did it rely on luck or not?

>>88711841
But they also had to steal the tech for Sam though, which is way more dangerous and hard than just finding a way to contact tony. Hell, he could have used a messenger pidgeon.

>>88711844
So he does have a plan then?

>>88712292
Which may further drive Zemo to have personal hatred towards Cap. Despite everything Steve still is the glue that holds the Avengers together, and Tony/co will circle back to him eventually.

>>88711891
>description or explanation of an idea

how are images a description of an idea?

>>88712574
He's got the outline of a plan, everything else is negotiable.

>>88712596
so he doesnt really have a plan and is completely out of character

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>>88712524
As much as a chess player on a game or a general in a war use, when deciding what to do to the enemy, based on the information that they know.

>>88710351
You are small time.

>>88712549

he had a plan but the details of how to achieve it were flexible and nonspecific enough that a bunch of different things could happen and he could still succeed.

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>>88712588
>how are images a description of an idea?

You are dumb as fuck. Not even him, but which idea I imply in this context with this reaction pic?

>>88712557
>which is way more dangerous and hard than just finding a way to contact tony

We know Hydra would expect him to try and contact someone; we don't know that they'd be paying attention to someone stealing the flying wings since they have no reason to suspect Cap even knows about them.

>>88712587

good point

>>88712657
And the FIRST people they would cut him off would be the obvious choices, like other Avengers.

>>88712524
Unlike real life tactics, where people always figure out detailed, exact plans where they predict their opponents every move perfectly all the time and they already know the exact outcome as soon as they come up with the plan.

How did I not realize this?

>>88710102
>masks himself to be bucky so the avengers can track him down, who happens to be like 30 minutes away

The bombing was in Vienna, Bucky was in Bucharest.

>>88712601
I'll admit to not knowing shit about him in the comics, but the MCU has always been pretty poor at adaptations of the comics from what I understand so this should be nothing new.

>>88712147
i'll check it out thanks

>>88710102
THE MOVIE SUCKED
just let it go
you watched it for the Air Port fight and thats what you got

what else do you want??? They didnt want to spend time giving Zemo a character or even a logical plan

>>88711701

Superman wasn't there to inspire them

@88712860
>IP count doesn't increased.

Try again OP.

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>>88712996
>@88712860
>@

@88713349
>Newfag

>>88711486
It's much worse than that.
It's because there were no jars of urine.

We're still talking about Civil War. That means it's good!

>>88710250
Literally this. He was playing Xanathos Chess from the start, making shit up as he went along using his special forces training and connections.

>people not being able to understand Civil War
>people making videos and entire pics full of walls of text to explain BvS

Why is the superhero movie audience so fucking dumb.

>>88713748
People understand Civil War just fine tho.

One autist on 4chan isnt indication of anything, even ore when HE is the one that makes walls of text for BvS >>88710935

>>88711121
some gringo took retard pills today

>>88712860
This familam

>>88713806
Why are you so obsessed with this one anon that isnt even in this thread?