So Homestuck had an update just a few hours ago. Or a snapchat

>>88648797
No one here does, and the reception is tepid most other places.

>>88648980
I've seen most people like these snapchats, sadly.

>>88648994
Because the people who like them are the only ones talking about them. Compare the response to Credits, the numbers are way down.

>>88649146
Don't.

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>>88649388
Yes.

>>88649562
>>88649146
people like you are the reason the janitors instantly delete every other homestuck thread

Davekat when? I want to commit suicide when that fuckface casually confirms this shit pairing.

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>>88649828
dude just see a therapist already

>>88649828
You keep asking for it to happen but it doesn't

>>88650090
And it never will.

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>>88648797
Cohen has already branded himself as unqualified for this job.

These snapchat updates are nothing but "Grrrrl power" virtue signaling starring the most garbage throwaway character in the comic, coupled with panels that ramble on about literally nothing using as many thesaurus words as possible to make himself appear a notch higher than a pseudo-intellectual.

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>>88649058
some numbers for you

>>88650334
>garbage throwaway character
You mean Jane right?

>>88650820
yes

>>88650908
But Jane has boobs

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>>88651029
so?

>>88651115
She's got bigger boobs than Vriska

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBKx-vDmgJA
how right is he?

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>>88651160
>is Dave gay
>yes
He's wrong

>>88651137
ok....?

What does this have to do with Cohen being a shit, again?

>>88651241
He doesn't take advantage of Jane's big boobs enough

>>88651160
>thinks Hussie's art got better, doesn't realize it's guest art
>thinks Hussie commissioned toby fox for animation work
nope this guy is clueless
but he did make me realize that it's kind of fucked up how much I know about how homestuck was developed

>>88650334
I think that's giving Cohen too much credit.

These just seem like aimless wandering plots made to keep fan interest between now and Hiveswap.

What the hell does virtue signaling even mean?:

apparently theres been a good bit of these before this one. can someone explain wtf is going on?

>>88648797
>>88648980

Who are people that are liking these?

Who are the people reacting tepidly?

You know what would be funny? If the overall message of Homestuck was that the true adventure was the friends that we all made along the way.

Because all the Homestuck groups I was in fell apart before the comic even went on extended hiatus.

>>88651518
jane was kidnapped by jack noir in an elaborate plot to blow her up along with most of the moon but she somehow managed to enslave him because she's a strong independent woman who don't need no man

>>88651548
as far as I can tell, the overall message of homestuck is that nothing you do matters, but it's SUPER okay to be gay

>>88651562
this is fucking stupid

>>88651548
it's a coming of age story. So the moral is that all the people you were friends with growing up eventually stop caring about you.

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What do you think Kanaya would get for Christmas?

>epilogue prediction:
>4/13 2017
>hussie releases the meme epilogue
>John looking sad as usual, it's his 22's birthday
>Caliborn does nothing other than sending shitposts to John
>Jade comes in with Dave and Karkat announcing their gay marriage
>meanwhile in hst
>shitstorm, billion of smug shitposts from icels, tipsy and tumblr
>4/13 officially declared as gay awareness and gay rights day by leddit and tumblr
>Katnep and Kanaya spammer are now joined by an autistic davekat spammer liberating us
>the fandom doesn't give a fucking shit that Hussie announces his meme scourgecest and john being in a threesome with the scourge sisters for no reason
>old karkat fans commit suicide
>old homestuck fans commit suicide
>davejade faggots and false-flaggers spamming shitty wojack edits of jade
>Hussie getting his balls sucked by Shelby's sister while showering himself with mad fujoshit and clickbait dosh

Trust me, I am a Light player. And I only saw darkness and despair. And I am alwas right with my predictions.

>>88651562
Jack didn't know shit about the plot to kill Jane.

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>>88648797
>Snapchat
What is this? What js even happening?
Why not put it on the main site and call it SnapPester or PesterChat? This feels unintuitive and lazy as shit.

Why did Huss have to let essjays take over everything?

>>88651591
>>88651609
Maybe the message was that you need to definitively hook up with somebody you have the hots for or else you'll end up unhappy when your group of friends falls apart.

I know I should have.

>>88651437
>What the hell does virtue signaling even mean?
stay pure, anon

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>>88651618
Heterosexuality

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>>88651618
The most important present

>>88651796
Just ugh! Get that disgustig shit out of here!

Who the fuck do you think you are? John "Trump Hitler" Egbert?

>>88651366
he's probably intimidated by them

>>88651810
Fuckin'--

Karkat WOULD like twilight.

>>88651628
Hussie doesn't care about you anymore. trolling the homestuck fanbase is ow so far removed from Hussie's thoughts that he outsourced the job to the cheapest bidder.

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>>88651905
>Hussie doesn't care about you anymore
>anymore

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>>88651810
>it's another creepy as fuck mommy kanaya and toddler karkat """pale""" fanart
>hussie made it fucking canon

>>88651957
he used to care about SOMETHING
maybe not us but the guy had some kind of drive

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>>88651796
That would be awesome, Anon.
One day, one good dicking will do that.

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>>88651986
she might need two

>>88652018
careful how you hold that ship, it's an antique

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>>88652038
I have the rare original misprint in mint condition

it's a true collector's item

>>88651957
he used to actually enjoy pissing off his fans.
every day he would get up, hop o his computer and start making update after update. sometimes he'd piss us off seven times in a single day.

but the magic is gone now. he looks at us and feels not hate but boredom.
maybe his next fanbase won't be so fat

>>88651966
>he doesn't enjoy pseudo-incest pairings

Fuck off fag

>>88652066
Holy shit.

Does anyone have that old screenshot where the MSPAforum tried to predict what the trolls looked like? And Karkat had a huge brain full of cancer?

>>88652109
but Hussie's into fatties!

>>88652178
not anymore

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>>88651966
Fuck you, Karkat and Kanaya being siblings is actually one of the positive things that still survived. Sort of.

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>>88651966
don't kinkshame me

>>88652066
In the true alpha timeline Solkan happened and prevented all the bullshit of the past few years, Homestuck or otherwise, from taking place.

>solkan wards off the Tumblr
>Tumblr never infects Homestuck
>The trolls remain a small group of side characters, plans for Vriska are dropped
>Homestuck ends in late 2011, remains an underrated classic, hailed as a masterpiece on /co/ after the fact
>Without Homestuck the fandom craze dies with Superwholock
>Without fandom craze the SJW craze never latches onto a captive audience
>Without SJWs the anti-SJW movement never happens
>Without anti-SJWs /v/ remains a good board
>Without SJWs the animation post-2008 revival is never hijacked, cartoons are still spectacular today
>Without social pressure on all sides Hirsh manages to make Gravity Falls end on a high note, it too becomes a mainstay /co/ classic
>Without internet culture wars /pol/ never gains access to the unlimited supply of meme magic
>Neither candidate of the current 2016 US elections makes it past the primaries
>Without culture wars edgy Youtubers never gain significant followings
>Dramaalert never happens
>Youtube remains shit, but not as shit as it got post-drama
>Earth is a better place to live

Fuck you, Andrew Hussie.

>>88652265
>13 year old Rose x fully developed 18 year old Roxy

I need more.

why are dersites so LOUD :o

>>88652301
>Roxy gives Rose her first drink
>and so much more
>by which i mean they fuck

>>88648797
that settles it. Conen is just trying to bait the fanbase into writing certain kinds of fapfics for him

>>88652354
from the thumbnail I thought she had a TMNT earring

>>88652301
Don't be a racist.

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>>88652277
That is some of the most wishful thinking ever.
>implying tumblr wouldn't still cling onto karkat

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>>88652347
stop giving me ideas

>>88652427
>Rose breaks into Roxy's bedroom and puts on her clothes
>Roxy steps in and asks her to take them off
>and to keep them off

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>>88652477
I said stop

>>88652529
>Rose and Roxy head out to a movie together
>the theater is so crowded that Rose has to sit on Roxy's lap
>Roxy gets a few ideas when the movie has a particularly long sex scene

Alternatively, Roxy could be chaperoning for Rose while she's on a date ("It's not a date!") with her best friend John, sitting in the seat next to the two. Y'know, one of those "I'm just gonna rest my hands on this sensitive area while the guy you're wet for sits only inches away. Maybe I should teach him the hole-in-the-popcorn-bucket trick."

You guys seem to know a lot about projects going bad. Do you have any advice for an aspiring comic book author?

>>88652277
Double Dubs confirm we truly live in the darkest timeline.

>>88652389
You can't support a fandom on a single character. Not for long, anyways.

>>88652617
Vet the people you hire and do it carefully, get stuff in plain legal writing.

>>88652545
None of this is like any of the cancerous "diversity" pictures, but.... it's just so ugly. They all look fine, but I feel uncomfortable looking at this picture for too long.

>>88652617
develop a strict schedule and keep to it
don't be late and don't take hiatuses

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>>88652628
WRONG.

>>88652617
Stick to what you wanna do and don't let yourself get pressured. Even if that one twist you're thinking of sounds like a great idea, consider how it might affect your work and what kind of people it'll attract.

>>88652617
Consistency. Any period longer than two weeks where you aren't activley working on your comic (and I mean your comic, not things related to your comic) and it's dead.

Plan things out before hand. Course correct when needed, but have a new plan ready to go when you do.

The only place I've read the snapchats is the upd8 ninja and the latest ones seem to be dated 12/23. Are there some snapchat images that haven't been added to the archive?

>>88652774
No.

More probably next week given the context of events.

>>88652660
>>88652734
Don't listen to these anons, they're retarded and jaded by Homestuck's failures. Hiatuses are a fact of life that every writer must deal with at some point or another. Even South Park, which has a ridiculous turn around time, takes one or two breaks in a single season, and of course takes off a few more months for the writers to cool down and work on shit.

If you're going to make hiatuses in your work, do it, but make sure that your actual update schedule is consistent. If you must stop working on your comic for an extended period (say a year), bring your story up to an appropriate point first, and just understand that by doing this you're basically killing your fanbase off slowly.

>>88652617
Make something good first. Homestuck (and really most things that get big) works because it has a distinct premise that captivates and inspires audiences, and a cast of good (not necessarily likable) characters, and the people will come.

The truth is that the internet is shit for criticism. On Reddit and Tumblr, faggots just follow the circlejerk for internet points and reblogs, so their opinion is basically worthless, and on 4chan contrarianism is the only way to get (you)s reliably, so our opinion is basically worthless.

Make something good, then worry about fitting into some arbitrary niche. If it doesn't catch on, keep making good things, and sooner or later one of those good things is going to get you noticed.

>>88652617
Pace yourself. Decide when you want to end it and end it done. No if's or buts. Anything extra stuff you start wanting to do is best saved for a sequel.
just practicing, as in, drawing every day or whatever, that's not actually going to improve your art. You improve your art by seeing a technique someone else has used and learning to do it yourself. that's the difference between people whose art still looks the same now as it did a decade ago, and people who went from bottom of the barrel dA tier to jawdropping stunners in just three years. If you see something and think 'wow, I wish I could do that' then figure out how they did it.

Have at least a two week buffer. That is, be several pages ahead of schedule at all times.

if you only release one page a week then by god your comic's plot needs to hit the ground running otherwise by the time things get interesting all your first wave of fans will have lost interest, which is really bad for your word of mouth

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>You will never fuck a drunk Kanaya on Christmas, making her heterosexual

>tfw Homestuck gave you fetishes unique to it that no other fandom will ever have
Thanks, Hussie.

>>88652847
Which ones?

>>88652617
the more you think a character, scene, twist or gimmick is amazing, the more likely its shit. be ready and willing to kill anything that's dragging the comic down. even the main character

>>88652847
Cherub sex? The migrants to the SU fandom took tentabulges with them, so it can't be that.

cool and new web comic eoa3 bitches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgRR5Sm4Gig

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>>88652823
Hey man, the guy asked for specific advice related to Homestuck. A consistent update schedule is extremely important, but don't downplay how harmful a hiatus can be to the creative process. Hussie said so himself multiple times on his formspring, before he even took the hiatuses that ruined his comic.

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>>88652847
there's only one solution.
Be like Claremont and put your fetishes in everything you make

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>>88652847
Sounds about right

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>>88652617
Do the opposite of everything Hussie did to his comic after Act 5.
>don't take massive hiatuses
>don't hire people to write/draw your shit for you
>don't pander to your most vocal fans
>stick to the script
>be consistent
>never retcon anything
>don't bring back characters because they were your favorite/waifu
>don't hide from your readers
>don't date your fans
>don't start a new massive project in the middle of your current one
>don't let yourself turn into what you originally hated

>>88652898
Who?

>>88652833
>needing her to be drunk
have some more confidence in yourself anon

>>88652883
Hussie wrote Homestuck at the seat of his pants, which is why the hiatuses hurt so much. Other writers are smart and plan shit out ahead of time, preventing this problem.

The mistake that you and >>88652927 and the rest of you are making is letting your personal issues with Homestuck cloud your judgement on what other comics are supposed to do.

Like, guest art is perfectly okay in any comic but Homestuck, where Hussie's near supreme creative control is a primary draw.

Or how plenty of writers work on multiple projects at a time without an issue, but Hussie made the mistake of completely abandoning Homestuck while tackling an issue that he was not properly equipped to handle.

Or how plenty of good writers retcon shit all the time, but only Homestuck has a very specific mechanism introduced that could literally retcon entire chunks of the story out of existence. A better lessson would be "don't abuse time travel".

And similarly similarly, plenty of writers don't deal with their fans, but Hussie fails because a big part of Homestuck's draw was to break down the barriers between artist and audience.

If you just set out to make an anti-Homestuck, you'll just make another steaming pile of crap that makes an entirely new set of mistakes.

>>88652937
Chris Claremont.
one of the best writers the X-Men ever had, and also the sexiest. Everyone was low-key bi, bondage and mind control up to the ears, a girl falls in love with a wolf, another girl gets aged down to a little girl then aged back up again as an esoteric kind of torture

>>88653069
Holy shit

>>88653006
>If you just set out to make an anti-Homestuck, you'll just make another steaming pile of crap that makes an entirely new set of mistakes.
Great point. "Reverse stupidity isn't intelligence."

>>88653006
Bullshit, no one likes guest art in any work. Inconsistency is jarring. I'll grant that Homestuck has a lot of issues that other artists don't have to deal with because Hussie was actively cultivating a cult of personality, but the hiatus thing is applicable to any serial. Look up advice from any popular novelist. They'll tell you that the secret to success isn't to write when you're inspired. It's to be disciplined, treat writing like a job, and put words on the page when it's time to work, regardless of how you feel. If you're not writing a serial, you can always go back and revise.

>>88653000
I doubt that she would go for me sober since I'm a guy and she's a lesbian, Anon.

>>88651562
You see, when I was first reading Homestuck I'd see people discuss stuff and I'd dismiss it as "this is something I haven't gotten to" or "this must've just been something I forgot." With these snaps it's just rambling bullshit that is just rambling bullshit.

Hell, I don't even remember the storyline of Homestuck all that well. There's so much of it seperated by so much time and so many layers of irony that I only remember the characters. And even then, over half of the characters had no fucking personality to begin with.

>>88652833
I think New Year's would be the more appropriate time considering it's more likely Rose would be passed out from drinking then rather than on Christmas.

>>88651562
>somehow
she's using the mind control tiara as a collar on him. hence the red circuit lines on his face and body

>>88653153
Excuses.

>>88653199
yes but the snapchats handwaved a couple things
1) how she got the collar on him in the first place
2) how she is able to operate the collar to serve her purposes

>>88648797
Is Homestuck's ACT I artstyle unique to it? I mean, circle/torso but sticklegs and all that. I've really wanted to start a webcomic using that format since it allows me to actually make things without being the best at art already, but I'd feel bad if it's solely derivative of Hussie.

>>88653242
>how she got the collar on him in the first place
she's a god tier, he's a cripple with no powers
>how she is able to operate the collar to serve her purposes
she's the head of crocker corp. she has absolute admin privileges over all crocker tech

>>88653153
I think Kanaya could very easily be bullied into putting out regardless of her being a lesbian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1qpirocWME

>>88653336
okay
thanks for your fan theories
everyone knows that the secret to good writing is to let your readers resolve the conflicts themselves

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>>88653303
nah. The only 'distinctive' thing is arms not being drawn when they're not being used. beyond that it's just the next step above total sick figures which is pretty widespread

>>88652617
learn how to draw
learn how to write

leave any greater aspiration of success behind and draw stick figures for the internet using ironic humor

>>88653303
Homestuck's artstyle in general is surprisingly hard to emulate without straight up sprite edits, mainly because of how weird and wonky it is. Note how even in the Snapchat updates the whole artstyle feels off.

It's a strict evolution of Hussie's existing style.

>>88653365
her being a high level god tier isn't a theory. her being head of Crocker Corp isn't a theory.
and being head of a corporation causing all of its technology to obey you is such a common scenario I would consider it obvious

>>88653434
yes because condy would program a loophole that jane can use into the mind control device that is specifically designed to enslave jane

and regardless of whether it makes sense or not, "jane wins because her power level is higher" isn't a satisfying resolution, particularly when you don't even show it

>>88653137
But hiatuses are still inevitable for any creative work. Television shows have hiatuses. Movie series have hiatuses. Anime have hiatuses. Video games have super fucking long periods of jack shit.

There's no such thing as a pure stream of content.

Hussie was way past disciplined for the most part, you can tell by the insane release schedule for the majority of the comic, and the surprisingly rigid and structured A66 Horse Calander Scheduling.

The problem is that Hussie gradually lost control of the game, his life, his work, and eventually his comic, which spiraled out into the infamous pauses that killed the comic.

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>>88653006
Having a guest panel every now and then, or when you're away is fine as long as they are credited. This give fans/community artists to show off their style and interpretation of the characters/setting while also getting some exposure.

However, what hussie did was hire a team of his close friends to make canon content that emulates his style as closely as possible. This team also has direct access to the creative process, and have influenced the writing to the point where it was painfully obvious by the end of Act 6.

He ultimately made the fatal error of handing his entire project off to a team of people who have no reason to even touch it, and the comic went to shit. That is inexcusable in any context.

>>88653434
These are explanations that you tell the audience. It's great fan theorizing that fills in the gaps very well, but it's the comic's fault for not properly communicating this and instead (like always) having important developments be implied offscreen.

>>88653461
it's not a loophole, it's an oversight.
'this device will cause the wearer to obey the commands of Crocker CEO'
it's not like Condy expected to fail

>>88653464
Sure, if you're working with a studio, hiatuses are a fact of life. But if you're an independent creator, one of your biggest advantages is that you DON'T have to deal with them. Look at how many shows lose steam between their first and second season, either because the creators didn't expect to be popular enough to get a second season, or because a lot of the staff moved on between seasons, or any other of dozens of a logistic issues. Hiatuses are cancer for ANY creative project, and should be avoided whenever possible.

>>88653513
if a convoluted rule like that isn't foreshadowed, it's retroactive justification, i.e. handwaving
if the rule is NEVER stated and a fan has to come up with it himself, then it's a headcanon

>>88653487
I suppose that's the crux of this disagreement. I don't see these developments as important

>>88652347
>>88652477
>>88652565
>Rose and John meet at her home after class to study
>It's a pretense for the two to get kissy-kissy
>Roxy keeps barging in on the two and tries to use tongue on both of them.

>>88653543
>isn't foreshadowed
Jane has been described as the heiress of Crocker ever since her introduction. Is that not foreshadowing that she'd eventually end up with all of Condy's stuff?

>>88648994
Actually reddit hates Hussie because he doesn't actually have an m/m ship. They keep saying "WE KNOW DAVEKAT IS CANON JUST SHOW IT ALREADY HUSSIE"

>>88653585
not good enough for this particular asspull, no
there's no reason to believe that condy would be willing to give control of the tiara over to anybody else in any conceivable scenario. It's moronic.

>>88653613
>WE KNOW DAVEKAT IS CANON

They're in for a nasty surprise.

>>88653476
You give Hussie too much credit here. He planned Act 7 since at least Act 6 Intermission 5, which is still before the true extent of the cancer that killed Homestuck was fully understood.

He knew how this was all going to go down years before we did.

>>88653675
The salt will never be as good as when Naruto/Sasuke didn't happen, but it'll be close.

>>88653622
okay lets put it a different way
lets go on your assumption that the tiara and probably some other things were slaved to obey Condy and Condy alone.
between Crocker R&D, Dirk, and Arquius, there's no reason to assume it would be hard to modify them to be slaved to Jane instead, or just build new ones that are

and in the end, in what way is how Jane has a working tiara 'just in case' something where the why and how important enough to warrant explicit elaboration? This wasn't some big confrontation, this was Jane coming across an already defeated antagonist while trying to figure out who is trying to kill her this time. and it wasn't Jack.

>>88653716
Given >>88653006 's complaints about our criticism it's too specific to hussie, but you're not wrong.

>>88653799
Then we should have seen some indication that hackers had cracked the tiara for her. But we didn't even get any clues that she just happened to have a tiara on her person. The Chekhov's gun wasn't depicted, but it went off in the third act anyway.

I don't have any argument to "this conflict was never significant" though. But that's bad for a different reason. I'm working on the assumption that Cohen actually wanted to write a story that was interesting on some level, however small.

>>88652878
im crying
my christmas now feels
cool and new

>>88653937
it wasn't as good as EOA1

>>88649146
>How Kanaya Ruined Christmas

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Why haven't you moved on to the superior web comic experience yet?

>>88654026
Go away reddit

>>88653865
>I'm working on the assumption that Cohen actually wanted to write a story that was interesting on some level, however small.
well if you don't mind be pulling my apologist cap a little tighter,
we have no idea if Cohen has a timeframe he has to finish this post-story in, but this is not a proper sequel. it's more like an OVA. the crux of the story seems to revolve around this plot to assassinate the gods, so I'm willing to forgive a bit of haste and lack of exposition on things not directly tied to that

>>88653006
Literally everything listed in
>>88652927
is good advice, you cock. You can go against it, but following those suggestions is generally a good idea.

>>88653969
None the music teams music is iconic like fighting spirit, yeah i see your point. Hope author doesnt get lost on memes.

>>88654046
Not him but i introduced cawn here before they even knew dude, settle down. And merry christmas.

>>88654096
still, you'd expect the B plot to have enough pacing and structure to stand on its own.
If the point of these updates wasn't to further the "main plot", then it was just to show jane being a badass. But he tried to accomplish that objective without any attention to building her up, and the conflict occurred off-screen, so it just comes off as half-assed.

Basically there was no point to Jack being there at all, and Jane was only narratively useful as a damsel in distress, despite what Cohen was trying to accomplish.

>>88654096
But that makes it even worse.
If you're just making quick, addendum content on a short timeframe, you shouldn't be massively shaking up the status quo and further tangling the narrative. Most supplementary OVAs aim to be simple but effective additions, not hasty continuations.

>>88654230
>then it was just to show jane being a badass.
the impression I've gotten is that the point is to show Jane and a few other gods have gotten really aloof and callous. Jane doesn't care why she's being targeted, doesn't consider if she actually did something to provoke this attempt, and cracks a joke as she enslaves Jack despite having been similarly enslaved herself.

>John and Rose end up working late into the night and it's too late for John to go home
>Roxy already called John's Dad to get the go-ahead on staying the night
>Roxy suggests they all share one bed

For plot purposes, of course.

>>88654289
Well, it would fit with his vow to be more "anti-fascist". But I personally don't think that's what he's doing, and I don't have faith in his ability to pull it off. If you're right, he's already trying to get us to sympathize with the genocider to make the fascist look bad. And earlier attempts to get us to sympathize with Jack Noir came across as tone-deaf even when Hussie was making them.

>>88654367
I don't think Jack is the one who masterminded this, though. I think him and the Felt just happened to be hiding out on the moon when someone else hacked Jane's sendificator. they seemed oblivious that the moon was getting blown up, which seems to be a significant factor in the mastermind's plan

>>88654519
I know that, but Jack makes a poor example if you're trying to convince people that mind control doesn't have advantages to society

>>88654354
Just write up a fic already

>>88654622
You can't make me.

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What would it take for Hussie to redeem himself?

Realistically.

>>88654642
Why won't you just write one? It doesn't matter if it turns out bad. It hasn't stopped Cohen from writing his fan fics.

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>>88654367
I don't have faith in anything Cohen does

>>88654703
a fucking refund

>>88654703
Suicide

>>88654703
largely nothing.
Homestuck is over. Everyone needs to move on.
Hussie needs to make another comic and avoid past mistakes, though.

>>88654727
>he gave them cash

LMAO

>>88654703
release a flash depicting how LE is defeated
Hiveswap is genuinely funny
he starts a new project that has nothing to do with Homestuck

in that order

>>88654749
>Hussie needs to make another comic and avoid past mistakes, though.
would that redeem him, or is that just reparations?

>>88654703
Suicide

>>88654749
a lot of money

a lot

>>88654703
Make his next project good and short.

>>88654771
I gave him dildos and have no regrets

>>88654710
I'm just lazy. I've mostly only written greentexts in past Homestuck threads.

>>88654642
That was a genuine request. Mom/John is the best.

>>88654703
Davekat sinking

>>88654768
Beats me.
I think he can be a good writer and artist when he wants to be and its a shame for him to not do anymore work.

>>88654703
I would consider him redeemed if he was the sole author of a new project that was unaffiliated with Homestuck. I guess I can't stop him from commercializing it, but I would prefer that he dialed down the merchandising.

If he wants his work to have a progressive message, I don't have a problem with that, as long as he thinks it through and doesn't tack on pandering rants that contradict the rest of his storytelling.

Dont you have a holiday to celebrate? Go outside fuckers.

>>88654768
Two good projects that recapture some of the magic of MSPA would be enough to redeem him.

>>88654818
I've already celebrated Christmas Eve with my family today. What more do you want?

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>>88654818
I'm an atheist, thank you very much.

>>88654789
I remember that.

>>88654799
his ADD is his biggest pitfall. if he's not generating content at breakneck speed he gets bored. the whole reason he abandoned traditional comics for MSPA was he hated how long it took to complete each page. He had the right idea with the art team but implemented it wrong. He should run his projects more like an animation studio, where he cranks out storyboards and other, more patient people pretty them up

>>88654818
I'm visiting the senpai next week. In the meantime all my housemates are out so I'm drunk at lunchtime and lounging around in my underwear

>>88654789
youve been here for like 4 years

escape

>>88654905
et tu?

>>88654818
it's 9pm in the dead of winter
you want me to get hypothermia?

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>>88654845
>his shirt

>>88654818
I've already eaten enough Chinese food for today.

>>88654797
That already happened

>>88654905
Shai Hulud, brother.

>>88655009
gesundheit

>>88654793
I feel you.
But again, I'm a lazy asshole. I still never even made an archive of the greentexts I made in the past.

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Like most webcomic artists, Andrew Hussie's drawing skill got better with time.

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>>88655081

>>88655114
The one on the left is better right? I'm not crazy, am I?

>>88655114
oh no it's contagious

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>>88655158

>>88655158
On a technical level the right is better.
On a style level the left is leagues superior

>>88655194
>On a technical level the right is better.
how??

>>88655158
They're both mediocre emulations of then-popular styles, but the left is more visually pleasing because it fits the mood of the illustration itself and the negative space compliments the line of action.

She didn't get better or worse, she just incidentally made better compositional choices without even realising it.

>>88649562

Your walls are fucking disgusting and look like you didn't pay Pedro enough to not smear paint on the walls like it was liquid diarrhea.

Also
>Pokemon
>Homestuck

kys

>>88655231
cleaner lines and coloring, anatomy is better albeit rendered in a god-awful style.

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>>88655257
>anatomy is better

>>88655231
Better anatomy, a hand that isn't nearly as much of a gimp claw, better proportions.

The problem is that everything good about the original is gone.

>>88655231
No chicken lines

>>88655240
>she just incidentally made better compositional choices without even realising it.

That's actually pretty funny. She's claimed to have improved, but it's also showing that she's completely failed to consider negative space in her new picture.
Indicating she never actually learned how to utilize it, or she forgot it entirely.

>John is separated from his father while shopping at some kind of city mall on the other side of town
>John runs into Mom, who calls Dad to tell him that he's found, and for plot contrivance reasons requests to bring him to her house to stay the night while Rose is sleeping over with Jade
>For plot contrivance reasons, Dad agrees, though not without asking if he can do the same with Rose

Several more plot contrivances later, some kind of sex happens.

>>88655270
hands
body is better defined, left's body is more a curved cylinder.


like I said, right is just ugly as fuck because of the style.

Hussie doesn't care about Hiveswap because he tricked a gullible Twitter funnyman into taking over this failed franchise as head writer instead of writing the game on his own. He cared before The Odd Gentlemen, but not anymore. Not after that.

>>88655382
Composition as well. The right's pose is FAR stiffer and they just look dopey instead of contemplative.

>>88655446
>dopey instead of contemplative.

Well shelby did draw her with black features.

>>88655461
>Egg shaped eyes and flat noses are "black features"
Fuck off.

The only thing close is the inflated upper lip, but the bottom lip was already damn big in the original.

>>88655496
:^)

>>88655418
Cohen seems like the type who'd be too smug to come to this realization, but I really hope that one day it hits him that he's the captain of a ship that was sunk before he even had the hat.

>>88655351
I just can't get into any Dad ships. Partly because anything with the younger kids just gives me Clarissa vibes. While DadxAdult ships could be good I've yet to find anything that actually used what we know to give Dad an entertaining characterization

>>88655381
That's not Dave

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merry fuckin christmas evverybody

>>88655584
I believe in Eridan
Like I believe in love
I believe in Eridan
And everything he does
There's no question in my mind
That he does exist
Just like love I know he's there
Waiting to be missed

I believe in Eridan
But there was a time
I thought I had grown too old
For such a childish rhyme
He became a dream to me
Till one lonely night
Someone stood beside my bed
With a wand of white
"So you're too old for Eridan"?
He said with a smile
Then you're too old for all the things
That make a life worth while
For what is happiness but dreams
and do they all come true
Look at me and tell me, son
What is real to you?

Just believe in Eridan
Like you believe in love
Just believe in Eridan
And everything he does
Wipe that question from your mind
Yes, he does exist!
Just like love you knows he's there
Waiting to be missed
Just like love I know he's there
Waiting to be be missed

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WHO WANTS TO SIT ON SANTA'S LAP?
OR WANTS SANTA TO SIT ON YOURS?

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>>88655693

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has evweryone had a chance under the mistletoe?
im right here if you ewver need me

>>88651957
How fucking self important are you?

>>88652690
I see what you did there.

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>>88652617
Knowing what to avoid isn't enough. Don't look for critics -- there's too much social capital to gain in tearing down someone better than the critic, and too many neurotic people playing crab bucket. Instead, look for mentors, the people who want to pull you up instead of pull you down.

>>88656132
>faggots
How problematic

>>88655924
nice reading comprehension

homestuck sucks

just move on to ff14 like everybody smart already

they just announced red mages dont u want to be a red mage

>>88656132
Shut up Dobson. A good artist knows that every criticism is their own fault, even if the reason given is inaccurate. Assuming you're at a level where technical competence is no longer your limiting factor, try to understand where the frustration with a work stems from, and you will have your roadmap on how to improve.

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>>88656225
MMOs are dumb. I play superior ARPGs instead.

>>88656132
>Don't look for critics
>Instead, look for mentors, the people who want to pull you up instead of pull you down.
So basically do what Hussie did by forming his inner circlejerk?

>>88656449
other than Ryan North everyone in Hussie's clique are significantly less experienced than him. those aren't mentors

>>88656132
A good artist takes in criticism and praise hand in hand with equal skepticism in order to better analyze and improve upon their work.

Who would want Hussie as their sensei?

>>88656584
even after all that happened, I'd love to talk storycrafting with Hussie

>>88656641
Oh hell yes it really is Christmas

>>88656641
A Christmas miracle!

>>88656641
At first I thought John was a gingerbread man and also had his mouth open in an "o" shape because of the tiddy. Great art though thanks for actually contributing something of value to this thread.

>>88656397
>A good artist knows that every criticism is their own fault
No it's not, this is some amateur hour advice. A good skilled artist can distinguish and generalize criticism but treating all criticism like your own fault is just stupidity.

If you're trying to write a romance and some blunderhead goes "HEY wait a minute you made a mistake, Mr writer, you forget to draw dinosaurs in Romance Comedy you know like t-Rex, triceratop, pteranodon, apatosaurus." throwing a tantrum or some long essay on criticizing why the writer doesn't include their favorite dinosaurs, you'd be an idiot to even listen to them, let alone somehow by twist of belief believe it's their own fault.

>>88656833
>not writing inter-species dinosaur romance

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>>88656833
People aren't strawmen, devoid of valid opinions or insight. They read your story, and they came away unsatisfied. There was something that your story failed to deliver for them, and it's your job as a creator to try and understand why. Looking only for constructive or insightful criticism is an arrogance no creator can afford. It's not the audiences job to fix your work, it's your own, so learn to read between the lines and identify your faults.

It's the only way to avoid stagnation, because the world isn't going to coach you every step of the way, your responsible for your own growth.

>>88655548
I understand. It helps when the younger girl takes a more assertive/consensual role, at least for me.

As for Dad/Adult ships, I'm down with Dad/Mom. The first ships are always the best ships.

>>88657695
>green/red
>dave/jade is christmas ship
Fuck why did I not see this

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>>88657927
I mean we had an entire christmas update centered around them making christmas stuff

>>88658110
>there will never be another joke on the level of IMMIGRANTS because hussie drank the sjw koolaid and gave the narrative to meme machine cohen

>>88658148
All the old SBAHJ jokes are too problematic for modern sensibilities.

>>88658110
I miss it when Hussie used to have parallels and allusions between characters

>>88658305
Is it just that people don't acknowledge early SBAHJ as problematic or is it that they've never read it? I mean it's very much a part of Homestuck and it's not like people can't find it to read SBAHJ. I'm aware there are people who skip to Act 5 and ignore vast amounts of the story, but I just can't imagine someone who is an SJW liking Hussie when all of his previous work is readily accessible.

>>88648797
edgy teenagers.

>>88658493
They don't read the comic period.

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>>88657487
Are you this depth toned? Of course you should consider your audience but only so far as your good judgement can discern there's. Treating all opinions as indistinguishable of merit is an easy way to shit your work down the can. Because humans are different individuals and have different opinions, all you're going to end up doing is submitting to the majority and ruining your work.

You cried 'Strawmen' at "Whaaaah why aren't there more Dinosaurs it's the authors fault for not supplying Dinosaurs!", but one can just as easily replace it with anything terrible, say fat acceptance,token minorities, or in a real canon case gay ships and moral spotlighting for instance.

Was it really a valid criticism that Hussie didn't include enough homosexuality and token forced relationships? Clearly a great many of daft minded fans thought so, and their 'insights' were validated in the comic. Now they're satisfied aren't they? The story succeeded in delivering the dinosaurs of choice they asked for. Your advice seems to be for marketing and producing a product proper, but not for good storytelling.

It doesn't help you grow as a storyteller or understand your work at all, constructively or otherwise. It pleases more people sure, and I'm sure other than the HSG minority here that's certainly true with Homestuck. But in the process of satisfying more people you've sold out your integrity, soul and wit of your work, failed as an artist and stagnated far more than you ever would've simply following your own creative vision.

>>88658680
Andrew Hussie is a self-loathing betacuck numale whose been emotionally castrated by Halftruth and literally castrated by IPGD. All of his friends and employees are SJWs who demonize men and it comes through in his writing of all male Homestuck characters been wimpy and emotionally broken and the female characters as strong independent women who don't need no man.

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>>88658449
DaveJade is the only good relationship in all of Homestuck, and here's why:

Both characters built on each other in a constructive way. Dave's primary issue is that he has to be the coolkid. In most conversations, he's perpetually defensive, trying to prove that he's really that cool. It's only with Jade (and Terezi, I suppose) that he's willing to drop the facade even a little. Yet nobody except Jade (and maybe Terezi, though it's hard to say what level of irony she was operating on) actually believes for a second that he is cool. The fact that Jade accepts it is what allows him to let his guard down while talking to her. She enables him to move out of his shell and become his own person.

On the other hand, Jade has enormous potential, but no one but Dave recognizes it. Rose mostly ignores her, except for when she wants a prediction, and John regards her as his silly friend but not a whole lot beyond that. Only Dave sees that, with some help, she could become something far greater than she is, and he dedicates a lot of time to helping her achieve that. Look at the client/server relationships: Rose is pretty hands-on with John, but is more concerned with figuring out the game mechanics than helping John out. Dave pretty much leaves Rose alone after she enters, since he knows she'd find being treated like she can't handle herself patronizing. John doesn't really get a chance to do anything with Jade beyond placing the initial entry equipment. But Dave spends a lot of time trying to help Jade figure things out and get situated.

Basically, Dave and Jade compliment and complete each other. No one else in Homestuck has that kind of relationship.

>>88658833
>DaveJade is the only good relationship in all of Homestuck,
Stopped reading

>>88658714
You forgot the quirks you dONKhole

>>88658833
How many times has Rose actually talked to Jade? Isn't it like 3?

>>88658714
>>88658833
Post more copypasta
>>88658680
And make this copypasta too

>>88658934
well yeah, that's the only thing you need to take away from it.

>>88658957
I really really want lots of nice little dog-eared kids to happen. You got me tumblr. I want a heartwarming family of humans with little dog ears on top like a garnish of powdered cute. I want Dave to be occasionally scolded for his unorthodox parenting techniques by a grumpy Jade, already busy breast feeding the latest set of triplets. I want Jade to sleep covered in a blanket of tiny, slightly fluffy babies. I want Jade to feel fulfilled in her position as grand matriach of an incredibly complex family tree that's incredibly influential in the world. Like her great-great-great-great-great-great granddaughter gonna roll up to a full club, and just flash her ears like they're some obscure but deeply ominous family crest tattoo. And then after she gets drunk and fucks a few guys, she calls up her literal goddess ancestor to tell her about her wild night, and Jade threatens to disown her and bite off her ears if she ever uses a condom again.

Meanwhile Karkat gets lonely, clones himself, spends a few decades engaged in incredibly frustrated failed blackrom, before dying. His clone then gets lonely, and heads back to the ectobiology lab to repeat the cycle.

Santan hooves on rooof

>>88658983
As the dildo fell from the dresser, displaced by Rose's blind flailing for the telephone, a handle bumped the switch and sent the implement into its obnoxiously loud 'Pleasuremax' setting. Even as John continued to frantically pump away at her, she pulled the handset up to her ear and ignored the looks of exasperation he gave her.

"Rose, do you really have to-"
"Hush, darling. Yes, Miss Maryam?"

Kanaya's distinctive contralto was certainly there, but any clarity in her words was swallowed up by the clattering of the marital aid against the hardwood floor. Rose had always wanted carpet. She tried to look apologetic as he placed her free hand against John's hip to stop his bucking and whispered "Dear, could you?", nodding her head in the direction of the offending object.

He sighed and dismounted.

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HMM

>>88652617
Don't compromise the integrity of your ongoing work for the possibility of garnering more money or a larger following.

>>88659552
Rose cucking kanaya is hot because you know that kanaya would bluster and cry, but she'd always take rose back only for it to happen again.

Nobody here would happen to know where i can find the lord English Christmas carol that was made on tumblr a few years ago? I only remember a few of the lyrics
>He as we feared, already here
>Tick-tocktick-tock,Tick-tocktick-tock
>skai will fall death for us all
Had a beat like this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL5dJATgQqm6aaT2cartPXGtAdacTjyluG&v=ixwUSiaUn5Q
but more orchestrated singing

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Merry Christmas, homos. I hope you're spending it with someone special.

>>88659684
Kanaya would want it to happen though. She would be the one to initiate it. I can't imagine John being okay with cheating otherwise. Not that he would find the whole situation normal, but he would eventually be unable to help himself. Rose simply has too plush a rump to ignore.

>>88659821
I can't believe Jade and Bec killed Dave

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>>88659868
Is it that hard to imagine?

>>88659868
It's revenge.

member when the flashes were good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AizILfl4z4

DEATH TO VRISKA

LONG LIVE THE CULT OF CRAB

>>88659938
Death to your cult!
Vriska is the besssssssst

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>>88659938
KARKAT A SHIT
SHIIIIIIIIT

>>88659928
For what? What has Dave ever done to Jade?

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It vrissmass.

Merr vrissmass

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>>88659967
>>88659990

>>88660795
rip crabsister au

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>>88655693
I WANT TO SIT ON CONDY'S LAP!

>>88658833
I mean a lot of that is "Jade didn't get enough development time with Rose and John"-Dave literally stole John's server role for god's sake.

>>88661349
Jade got plenty of time with John, it's just they were very much a clear sibling dynamic.

>>88661333
Why did she eat the Sufferer's load...

>>88659742
No, but you might like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V_AvJzkPqQ8

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>>88656641
OH FUCK YES BEST CHRISTMAS EVER

>>88661579
Spectacular.

Remember mute dave?

>>88662049
Remember hussie admitting the characters could be any ethnicity but black?

>>88652847
selfcest? trolls? weird time shit? do you get off to stable time loops?

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>>88662200
>Slick and Ms. Paint will never live long happy lives with their two scotty dogs
Fuck this timeline.

>>88655231
Well the nose isn't just a bunch of scribbles over a red shape for one.

>>88662816
>>88663375
Poor Nepeta!

Dead and her crush is getting fucked hard by another guy!

>>88663893
where is ny davekat, you homophobic hitlers!!!

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>>88663983
Here

>>88664050
I don't get it

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H4PPY H4NUKK4H >:]

>>88664103
ny

>>88664139
Why is Terezi such a slut?

>>88657329
WHO'S

>>88664566
She already blew it with John, she now realises she needs to offer a two for one deal to be an enticing value.

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Hot off the presses, perfect for the holiday season.

>>88664566
Terezi "I would rather sleep with a clown than a manlet" Pyrope

Terezi "You don't deserve him" Pyrope

>>88664811
>A male Final Fantasy villain prepares to make out with a poor Calliope cosplayer

>>88664566
enhanced taste-based senses. to her, the slightest crotch tingle in your loins blasts her with the kind of fuck stank other people can only experience by going crotch diving after an all-day orgy

>>88652927

>write davekat is cannon
>make dave and nepeta into a sprite

the madman

Terezi "Better dead than with HIM" Pyrope

Terezi "Who needs freidship with others when you got Vriska?" Pyropr

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>no chance of best boy TPKing faggot cast and winning
What's the point?

Terezi "YOUR BULG3 1S B1GG3R TH4N K4RK4T" Pyrope

Merry Vrissmas, you dumb cucks

And Davekat fucks your ass in hell

merry xmas you sons of bitches, now make with the fucking condesce pics

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>>88668269

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58NKCwjz6e8

>>88668496
¨this is so god damn hot