>Budget:$150 million >Box Office:$284.5 million >Marketing

I liked that movie

Source: OP's ass

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Budget numbers are gettinr ridiculous now, since this thing beat out Frozen in it's initial run

>Marketing Budget:$134 million
first" source?

second: what was the marketing budget for Zootopia?

>>88562758

Considering lower, given what we got in terms of avdertisement (i.e. Moana had three more trailers, a lot of merchandise, et cetera)

>>88562746

Holy comment 666

>>88562693
This is the rock's first flop right? is it really worse than the tooth fairy?

>>88562838
They should modeled the brown Shrek after The Rock. Then Moana would have the teen/young/adult female audience

>>88562820
>source: my ass
Okay

>>88563274
I think what OP meant was the budget was listed as 150 million on Wikipedia, I remember is saying that as well. I just checked and it now says undisclosed but several places estimate it at around 150

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>Why did it flop?

because history likes to repeat.

>>88563249
its a disney princess movie. they already have that audience.

>>88562746
That could be because Disney didn't have any support for Frozen when it opened. Frozen did not have any advertising or promotion. They also had no Frozen merchandise. That how much Disney did not care about Frozen. They had to scramble to get merchandise out for it. So it is not an equal comparison. Frozen had to do all it's business with very little promotion. It was all word of mouth

>>88562693
4chan white race supremacy propaganda. Probably.

>>88562693
>Why did it flop?

It'll be the number 2 movie on Christmas Day, just behind Rogue One.

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>>88563849
Yes, a small group of autistic Nazi LARPers are behind all life's problems.

Sounds familiar

>making the same thread on /tv
>using numbers with no comparisons or sources

useless threads m8

>>88562693
Because when Disney releases a relationship drama about sentient animals and brown skinned not-really-princess that's in tune with nature movie in the same year, the animal movie always performs better.

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>>88562693
>#1 Box Office first 3 weeks
>only slips to second place when facing fucking Star Wars
>"flopping"
Are the DCfags really this salty over BvS and SS?

>>88564483
Sales numbers and stats don't matter, except when they do. That's usually how these debates go.

It hasn't even released everywhere. Calm down DC shill.

>>88562693
>all plot about strong independant woman and ugly useless man
>not to mention heroine is ugly af
>as the whole style of the movie
Jeez, I dunno...

i still wanna see the fake princess get fucked by brown shrek desu

>>88562693
Not OP but the budget for Moana is listed as 'N/A' for some reason.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=disney1116.htm

>>88563868
>going to the movies on Christmas Day
Is this a bugerland thing?

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>>88562693

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>>88565155
>as the whole style of the movie
Okay, yeah, NOW you've forced my hand.

>>88562693
Brown people.

>>88562693
It's going to make plenty of money in the end but I'll give you the obvious answer. The princess is ugly as fuck. Girls despise her for her appearance and fathers aren't as interested in going to kids movies where they can't get a boner. The same reason Brave never became a sensation.

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>Budget figures without source
>Describing a movie that was #1 over Thanksgiving Weekend and was only usurped by a new Star Wars movie as a flop

>>88565952
To be fair there's nothing worthwhile on at the moment if you aren't into Moana or StarWars and even then

>>88562693

Sorry, I only watch white protagonists.

>>88563550

>just like 1994, studio B's 'smaller' side project was anthro animal movie, big studio A project pc brown princess movie, expected to make far more, just like 1994, opposite happened

>thusly, animals far more sexy, fuckable than brownies

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>>88562693
Honestly racist people in the US could have dragged down the Box office.

There is no reason why this film, that isnt any better or worse, than generic Disney princess flick X, should flop this obviously.

But thats just a guess. We will never know.

>>88562693
She is super cute no matter what.

>>88562693
no one likes brown waifus

>>88562693
They really need to rethink their marketing spending. It's getting to Call of Duty/Destiny levels of stupid. Disney is fuckhuge, you don't need $130m in fucking marketing.

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>>88565952
If it's #1 at the box office for an entire year but you don't manage to recoup your costs, is it really a victory?

>>88562693
>non white hero
>non cute anthro characters

>>88567355
It did great in America, though. Maybe foreign markets, particular the Asian ones, don't like brown characters?

>>88562693
Princess oversaturation

Two shows three times a day at my local Malco and it was like 70% full most of the week. I know because me and my buddy were waiting till there were less people so we could be snarky fucks during most of the movie.

I KNOW this goddamn film made money, it had to.

>>88564483
Why would DC fans be salty over SS or BvS?

>>88562693
She's not a traditional princess.

>>88562693
>thinks America is even the main audience Hollywood is after

You dumbasses are gonna call this a flop just like you called Rogue One a flop because you only pay attention to domestic box office.

>>88567213
>#1 at the box office for an entire year
>don't manage to recoup your costs

R E T A R D

>>88567953
Yeah but the Chinese are unapologetically racist, so why would they want to see brown people?

It's not a popular setting or theme

>>88566790
>>88566790
You wanted to fuck nala? that's a little weird, right?

>>88567992
It's hyperbole, you retard. Shareholders don't care if your movie was a hit with bronies or not, they care if it made money or not.

Well I guess I've been le baited or whatever

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Sad!

>>88562693

But Moana has made close to $300 Million when you take in Worldwide sales and Domestic together.

So even if the Budget was $150 Million and Marketing was $130 Million, the movie alone (not including merch) has broken even and made more.

Source:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=disney1116.htm

>>88566790
>sexually attracted to animals (zootopia)
>loves incest (frozen)
>scandalized by beige humans

classic white people, am i right

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>>88562693

They should make her White, Not thicc, shy personality like this one.

>>88571369
I really wouldn't mind it if Elsa were a bit thicker.

>>88562693
Because it's shit. Disney is shit. So's your thread. So are you and everyone posting here.

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>>88567088

>>88567088
Rabbits are just fine tho, right? You /mlp/ loving weirdo.

>>88568099

famous people want to fuck Nala, it's no taboo anymore.

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>>88565155
Boy...

>>88567422
It'll open in Japan in March

>>88571341
>loves incest (frozen)
Where did this shit even come from? The sisters said like 5 sentences to each other throughout the entire movie.

>>88573479
It's just crack incest shippers being so deluded they can't accept their ship is pure crack, and instead insisting it must be "stealth canon" and that Disney totally intended the sister's relationship to read as romantic.

It's bullshit, obviously. It's just shippers insisting that their crackship is totally canon you guys.

As for why do people ship it, I think at least on /co/ a great deal of people saw lesbian porn fanart of the ship first, liked it, and then just started to ship it despite the incest and despite canon not supporting it at all, because the lewds were so cute. There's a lot of "not related AU" type mental gymnasting in that fandom

>>88567213
There's literally no country on Earth where your hyperbole would ever happen.

>>88573350

...what?!

wtf, zootopia had one month gap. are they trying to pull out another "golden week" ?

>>88562693
i dont even know about that movie

>>88568006
Funnily enough China was the only place this actually did poorly in. It got crushed by an anime film.

>>88573622

..where are you from?

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>>88568099
Yeah, there's nothing attractive about cats and their powerful hind legs.

>>88571665

It's true though. There were constant autistic generals for both Frozen and Tangled; there's barely any discussion about Moana even though she's barefoot and has exposed midriff.

>>88562693
stop with these threads
>why did it flop?
it's
not
out
everywhere
yet

fuck off and come back in 4 months

>>88571405
Or at least had fatter tiddies.

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>>88573713
jesus

>>88562693
I think Moana is the hottest Disney princess but she's also not very lewd

>>88573584
Yeah, I don't know. In my country it'll open in February.

I'm not sure what the fuck is Disney thinking, obviously a lot of interested people will have torrented it by then, because fuck waiting 3-4 months while surfing an internet full of spoilers just because lololo in Euro country x it opens in November and in a different Euro country y in February for no reason lololol.

It can't even be about the dubbing, because a lot of countries that dub it had their releases in Nov. They're just being retarded

>>88562693
>Release summery, tropical movie in mid-winter
>expect people to be in the mood for it
How is it even a question?

I don't understand how you guys think she's ugly. She's not great but she's not ugly. Merida on the other hand is pretty ugly, but she looks better in 2D.

>>88573713
Does this actually arouse you? There's not even secondary female characteristics. Do you get aroused by a frog with strong legs too? Fucking subhuman. Don't ever look down on anyon else

>>88573860

maybe it flopped in america. we dont know abot the worldwide reception yet. it's been barely a month.

>>88570539
I know misunderstanding the box office is an ebin /tv/ meme and you're probably baiting, but I'll (you) anyway. Box office gross is not box office profit. National theaters keep something like 30-50% of the profit, foreign theaters 50-80%. Hence why before the Ghostbusters remake came out, the director said he was nervous because they'd need to break around 500mil to start making profit, despite the budget/marketing being <$300mil.

>>88574547
Dude, would you not fuck a cheeta? Just so you could say you did.

>>88562758
None, I'd say. Beyond the trailer, there was absolutely nothing about it over here.

>>88565702
whatever it is, it's also a Filipino thing

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>>88574820
...absolutly nothing?

what kind of promotion Moana had/has?

>>88562693
It opened three days ago in Europe. It hasn't flopped yet.

>>88562693
>releasing a film about minorities in the year of MAGA

Do you even have to ask?

>>88568099
>anon didn't want to fuck Nala

Gross, even normies got it right

https://youtu.be/2PPkQoQQn-M

>>88568445
I don't think you were baited. I think he was really just that stupid.

>>88574489
>Merida on the other hand is pretty ugly

Merida barely looks human so I wouldn't even put her in the same category as the other Princesses.

>>88565880
baitfish.jpg

>>88565952
>muh merikan market
That's your problem. The world decides the success of a movie now, not the USA. If the chinks hates it, it's dead.
Emojii will be a roaring success for the ame reason

>>88566958
>It's the racist fault!
still salty about those election? Remember same causes will get you the same effect, no matter the part of your life.

>>88562693
I just watched it last weekend
I feel like this is what Brave should have been but failed to be

>>88566958
>Honestly racist people in the US could have dragged down the Box office.


whitelash is real

this retaliation for glee, Supergirl fucking a black guy, Starwars,SJW social mediaetc

American just have had it with leftism

The movie is CG water porn, but that's pretty much it.

Also you know very well why it flopped, just like Pocahontas and Frog Princess.

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>>88573867

>>88576107
This, brown people doesn't drag audience

Brown people watch movies with white people, but white people doesn't wathc movies with brown people

all this b8

>>88576107
>>88576115

they didnt try making anything new.

>>88576115
>Brown people watch movies with white people, but white people doesn't wathc movies with brown people

This is right, but the other problem is that Princess movies are designed for a young female audience. Little girls are supposed to relate to and want to be the characters. No one wants to be brown.

>>88576398

not even lil brown girls, read few months ago that moms force their daughters to buy tiana instead of punzel they want

>>88562693
Even brown people don't like watching brown people

>>88565702
Yes, spending time with family is an American thing. Opening presents takes 6 minutes with the automatic present opener I got last year so there is the rest of the day. If you're gonna say something about church then you don't know the true meaning of Christmas

>>88576440
>force their daughters to buy tiana instead of punzel

That's funny desu.

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Honestly i had no drive to go see it. Nothing about it seemed fresh or interesting and it felt to me like a blatant attempt to appease the mandatory diversity crowd who complained about there not being enough darkies in Frozen.

>>88576647
They're Pacifiers, not Africans

>>88562693
Because the music sucked for the most part.

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>>88568099

>>88562693
wow that lighting is fantastic even on a shitty jpeg

>>88565880
>The same reason Brave never became a sensation.
Brave never became a sensation because it promised epic fantasy and delivered shit

>>88576800
every time

kek

>>88562693
Another princess musical perhaps, yet not quite as catchy as the shit that drove everyone insane.

>>88574363
Holy shit this!

>>88576610
>automatic present opener
I got Jetsons flashback.
Is the future finally here?

>>88567088
Do you forget where you fucking are?

I'm sorry, but how the hell is a movie that made back its budget a flop?It wasn't panned, people went to watch it, still are with the current European release.
In a year of giant blockbusters I don't see how the hell one that doesn't do gangbusters is a flop.
Making your money back and millions on top is moderate success.
Only in the mind of some moron who wants it to fail desperately could that look like a flop.

>>88577038
>I'm sorry, but how the hell is a movie that made back its budget a flop?

Anything less than a billion dollars is a flop.

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>117 replies
>0 reliable sources

One day Chinese moot is just going to merge /co/ with /tv/ and you'll all have no one to blame but yourselves.

>>88577038
>>88577201

>stll bieleving in lionking/pocahontas meme

>>88577366
What meme?

>>88568882
The only post with numbers and it's ignored

Why/co/?

>>88562693
I never saw it because what few ads I did catch about it never explained much as far as the general plot and it otherwise looked pretty damn boring.
Seriously, like 90% of the advertisements I did happen to see were just her and the huge motherfucker looking like a happy retard.

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>>88562693
Dunno if this is a reliable source, but it's all I could find as far as budget goes.
Wish it included the marketing budget, oh well.

>>88577571
>>88577571

>Brave Vaiana: Legend about the end of the world.

...wtf?

>>88577571
>3000 years ago, their voyages stopped for a millennium
... isn't a millenium 1000 years?

Because fuck brown people

>>88568882
>>88577571
So Moana did better domestically, but Trolls did better in the foreign market.

>>88577610
>>88577571
AFAIK it's called Vaiana in Poland, too.

>>88562693
Risky aesthetic that didn't draw in people the way snow and ice did

Despite having much better music overall and one of the best songs Disney's put out in ages, its official single (How Far I'll Go) lacks the punch and emotional resonance Let it Go had with audiences

Arguably harsher box office competition

>>88562693
It hasn't even been released in some countries.

Calm yo tits

Honestly I didn't hear a god damn thing about this movie.

No ads, no word of mouth, not even trailers in the theater.

The most memorable thing I've seen of this is an edit where the big guy has a polynesian style Loss comic tattooed into his torso.

>>88576115
Also the water is very cool looking but it's not really as evocative as snow or ice. Frankly think it would have gone way better by making her way younger if only to attract the preschool crowd.

>>88577919
Post it you motherfucker

>>88577610
It's called Vaiana in most Euro countries except Russia and the UK, and "Oceania" in Italy

>The picture will be titled Vaiana in many European countries following a trademark conflict.[44] The picture will be titled Oceania in Italy, while the name of the protagonist will be Vaiana in lieu of Moana, presumably to avoid confusion with an Italian porn star of the same name, Moana Pozzi.[45]

>>88562693
Lack of coherent plot? I still know fuck all about the story or motivation in this movie. They made it obvious with Frozen, Tangled, Zootopia, etc. but all that's said about this in advertisements and even film reviews is that it stars the Rock and is a good movie.

>>88577723
Yes. Why are you asking?

>>88577930
>making her way younger if only to attract the preschool crowd

Children don't need kid characters to relate to a story.

>>88578042
Yeah but this movie pretty much needed all the help it could get.

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>>88577933
Not that anon, this is all I could find

It's still the most impressive loss edit I've seen to date

>get enough money back as to at least pay back the production cost, implying that from then on its pure profit while its still in the cinemas and will go to dvd

>flops

What the fuck is up with this modern mentality that if you don't win the lottery or whatever in term of investment then it is seen as a loss? Make me think of apples whose exec were dissapointed that they ''only'' had a 80% increase in profitability or something as absurd as that, fucking greedy scum so disconnected from reality they genuinely expect incredible profits at every single transaction and seek only profitability rather than survivability.

Also many peoples don't seem to understand how much of a fucking fraud the way modern marketing work, which end up costing so fucking much because most of the cost on these thing is controlled by speculator who have simply no interest in lowering the prices and in turn make it so that the richest fuckers can easily cover entire networks with publicity while the small fries won't even be able to get a 15 sec of radio time whitout it being a dangerous risk to take as it would affect the company budget ( i;e: The average price to get your ads on a more or less popular radio show, and that is not on the big radio networks that get in the millions of listeners a day, can easily cost in the tens of thousand, even if its only for 10 sec 2 time a day at the hours with the least traffic. Those publicity panels that we always see by the highway? 50k and more, going exponentially higher with the ones in places like time square going into the millions per month and more )

It flopped because nobody overseas went to see it.

>Failed on china
>"Your Name" killed the movie

GOOD Japanese animation cucked Disney... With China?

I like Moana and all, but this makes me happy

>>88576079
Brave was just a straight up shitty movie of some female '''''director'''''' shoehorning a bland mother-daughter struggle and forgetting to do anything else. Moana is lightyears ahead of it and shouldnt be compared on the same level

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>>88576110
noice

>>88573648
>>88578140
>Critical acclaim
>4th highest-grossing film of all time in Japan
>Approaching to become the highest-grossing anime film worldwide
>Indicated for the Oscar

Holy fuck, what kind of monstrosity studio Toho made?

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>>88578066
Holy shit, that's some serious quality loss.

>>88578132
>It flopped because nobody overseas went to see it.
It's not even out a lot of countries
Germany 22 December 2016
Greece 22 December 2016
Italy 22 December 2016
Australia 26 December 2016
Brazil 5 January 2017
Argentina 19 January 2017
South Korea 19 January 2017
Turkey 20 January 2017
Hong Kong 26 January 2017
Denmark 2 February 2017
Norway 3 February 2017
Sweden 3 February 2017
Japan 10 March 2017

>>88578194
Brave went to shit because the female director didn't get to do the plot they originally envisioned and the project turned into a huge clusterfuck with various plots merged into one piece of shit tho, iirc

>>88578330
How many Disney movies and games have this: "Giving up on a real plot" formula?

>>88563550
No, Moana treated the source culture with respect because Hawaii's infested with graphic artists.

It flopped in OPs kind because OP is a delusional schizophrenic.

because little girls don't like ugly girls

>>88578194
<Let's blame the director that was booted off the movie for not listening to producers. Not the guy that re-worked the film from start to finish to satisfy the producers....

>>88578569
>Moana
>Ugly

She is the first disney character in ages with a appealing design

>>88579603
>if it makes muh dick hard it's an appealing design

>>88579660
Nooo... Not looking having a big alien with aids head on a cheap doll body is a appealing design

>>88578096
Most studios want to make at least double their money, then the investment seems worth it, just breaking even and getting a bit more on top isn't enough when you're spending a hundred million dollars already especially with a company like Disney

>>88562693

I keep expecting Slate or MTV to put up a "Moana bombs because of racism", with plenty of references to Ghostbusters bombing.

Right now, Moana isn't too far off-track from what Frozen made the first few weeks. Frozen was a massive success because people just kept going to see it for weeks after its release but Moana is likely going to fizzle out, esp with Disney competing against itself with the Rogue One release 2 weeks after Moana.

But yeah, eventually we'll see claims of racism. If so I'd like to point out its the racism of little girls all wanting to go see Elsa instead of Moana. Will the articles attack the children? Nah, its the instutionalized racism of the parents and culture, these little girls wanted to go see Moana a dozen times but the racist asshole parents wouldnt take them to see it.

Nothing is ever the fault of itself. It couldnt be that Frozen was just a better movie, that the sister story, the romance story, appealed to little girls more than the solo adventurer story.

>>88579904
little kids like big alien heads on doll bodies idiot. little kids don't have your refined ultimate gentlemanly design sense or access to a closet filled with fedoras.

>>88563806

what little advertising there was for Frozen, and there was some but it wasnt the blitz you might have expected for a movie that made as much as it did, was almost entirely focused on Olaf. disney marketing seemed scared to death that no boys would go see this two-sisters movie so they focused on the comic relief.

then the movie blew up the first week and disney marketing 1) went into high-gear 2) focusing on Elsa.

I hate people who cry sexism at every little thing but its hard to look at Frozen and not see how the studio almost completely overlooked the female market that was the target audience for this movie in the first place. I shouldn't assume malice tho, Hanlon's Razor, marketing departments are all too often entirely incompetent with handling the products they are given. Marketing is where all those "communications" degree earners go when nobody else will hire them.

>>88578412

what do you mean?

>>88576977

Despite all the attempts to force the "delicious brown" meme, you are more likely to find a thread devoted to a given relatively niche fetish, like giantesses, muscle girls or MILFs, than to brown girls, when randomly browsing /co/. And of course brownies can only hope to be as attractive as cartoon animals or gender-benders. Dick cannot lie.

>>88580139
I mean there's delicous brown girls but they tend to get deleted when someone invariably starts dumpling Lilo

>>88574489

Anon Brave bombed and most people consider it worse than Cars. Only reason why anyone remembers her is because she's a red head which automatically makes her a passable 6/10.

>>88563740
No, they have ensured the little girl audience and maybe the middle aged female audience. Besides, no one want to see a hideous ape while an animated Rock would be basically a brown Jojo and that has multiple demographic appeal.

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>>88566178
>>88565748
>>88567355
>>88571369
>>88576398
>>88576440
>>88567088
you guys is so racist your making me cry !

Nothing about this movie looked interesting and nothing about the movie was interesting. Hawaii culture is not interesting at all.

>>88574800
FUCKING DEGENERATE. I FUCKING HATE FURRIES SO MUCH YOU ARE ALL JUST SO FUCKING

>>88578096

Do you know that about half of the box office on average goes to cinemas themselves? You need to about double your production + marketing costs just to break even. Or push a lot of merchandise.

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>>88580216
>passable 6/10

>>88580251
>an animated Rock would be basically a brown Jojo and that has multiple demographic appeal.

You think a handsome buff Maui would be more appealing to boys than ugly Maui?

>>88579660

Except it made no ones dick hard.

>Tons of Frozen and tangeled porn.
>Only a few of Moana.
>Majority of it is with the Crab.

>>88580479
Boys like me, yes.

>>88580479
How boys would like to look? Like a handsome buff Maui who happen to be played by the most electrifying man on showbusiness or like a hideous ape? There's a reason why cape heroes are buff and conventionally handsome.

>>88562693
A movie cannot be carried only by Dwayne "Can you smell what THE ROCK is cooking" Johnson

>>88562693
They report losses for purposes of tax-dodging.

>>88574547
>secondary
Yes anon, primary is not secondary. Rubbing crotches together and kissing mouth to mouth are not secondary.

>>88580362
Yet we're also told the high cost of concessions is because the cinemas make so little from ticket sales.

Someone's got to bullshitting, and somehow I think it might be fucking everyone.

>>88580479
>You think a handsome buff Maui would be more appealing to boys than ugly Maui?
>>88580710
>How boys would like to look?


You must be a femanon 'cause this is not how boys work

Movie /North America gross /max NA theaters released to


Moana /$165,271,804 /3,875
The BFG /$55,483,770 /3,392
Finding Dory /$486,295,561 /4,305
Alice Through the Looking Glass /$77,041,381 /3,763
Zootopia /$341,268,248 /3,959
The Good Dinosaur /$123,087,120 /3,749
Inside Out /$356,461,711 /4,158
Cinderella (2015) /$201,151,353 /3,848
Into the Woods /$128,002,372 /2,833
Big Hero 6 /$222,527,828 /3,773
Planes: Fire & Rescue /$59,165,787 /3,839
Maleficent /$241,410,378 /3,948
Frozen /$400,738,009 /3,742
Planes /$90,288,712 /3,716
Monsters University /$268,492,764 /4,004
Oz The Great and Powerful /$234,911,825 /3,912
Wreck-It Ralph /$189,422,889 /3,752
Brave /$237,283,207 /4,164
Tangled /$200,821,936 /3,603

>>88565748


Why wouldn't at least Americans want to see Polynesians?

It seems like people like the Rock and he's half Polynesian. Polynesians sometimes look kind of like they have a mestizo parent and a black parent, so maybe many people who are mestizo or black will think they look kind of like them. So, if that is the case, which I don't know for sure it is, you can appeal to people at least in that way for whatever that is worth.

>>88566958
>>88576100
I believe it was primarily Black lives matter, feminists and sjw's who were calling for boycotts of the movie due to either "cultural appropriation," fat Shaming(since Maui is supposedly just fat and not jacked as fuck) or countless complaints of Moana being too pretty or skinny or ugly or fat, really anything they can make-up as a complaint.

>>88580006
It's almost certainly not that Frozen was better because it absolutely wasn't. But it was probably more appealing to its target audience. Little girls want to be powerful and beautiful princesses like Elsa more than plucky adventurers like Moana. Anna being the less popular of the Frozen sisters despite being the protagonist supports this.

>>88562693
Racism, plain and simple. Welcome to Trump's America.

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>Expecting brown people who aren't Will Smith to sell tickets

>>88584767
The live action 'princess' films Cinderella and Maleficient made a similar amount of money worldwide as Brave and Tangled while costing about half as much to make.

>>88586797

You mean Idris Elba or Denzel

meanwhile Will is getting less relevant by the day

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>>88578223

Lilo and Stitch was already a more than adequate Hawaii movie with a fun, unique twist, and there's little to no incentive to go see "Frozen except this time it's Warm".

fat brown girl,fat ugly male, boring adventure, racism also summer movie in winter

>>88585613
>Black lives matter, feminists and sjw's who were calling for boycotts of the movie due

SJWs are completely irrelevant to anything. Remember they said they were all going to boycott Frozen too. If Moana is a flop it won't be because of their retardation.

>>88580521
>Majority of it is with the Crab.

fucking jermaine

Elsa isn't shy, she's a victim of child abuse. Her parents locked her up in a room for her entire life. Bitch needs to go all Kill Bill on some mother fuckers.

It's not out here

Rick and Morty strikes again.

>>88562693
i dont think it did fail, but if it actually did it would probably because of the subject matter
not many people know islander mythos, and the commercials werent really helping much
with frozen you see it all in the commercial: two chicks one with ice powers and a guy with a rudolph and a talking snowman all fuck around and try to make ice lady come home
with moana it was way more vague and probably didnt HOOK (get it) people in as much

>>88590440
Based just on the trailers I couldn't even begin to guess what Moanna is about. Some girl sails around because reasons?

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>Furry movie gets barely any marketing and merchandise
>Ends up being a billion dollar hit
>Princess movie gets marketing out the ass
>Does okay

>>88573713

that's a cheetah(male) though

>>88562693
>Why did it flop?

Because it was a muddled mess that was beautiful and fun, but had a story as bad as Brave.

No, seriously.

Who was the bad guy?

>>88562693
But it didn't flop at all. It recovered its entire budget in a month of showing and from now on everything else is pure profit.

For comparison Frozen, released in November 2013, was making money in cinemas world wide until April 2014 and some of the last areas it released in, South Korea and Japan, also proved some of the most fruitful. Frozen pretty much pushed its way above 1.1 billion (to beat Toy Story 3) because of South Korea and Japan and both of those were Spring 2014 opening.

>>88565952
Asia matters a huge deal nowadays, China pretty much saved the Warcraft movie on its own, and Asians don't want to see ugly brown princesses with no love interest. Big reason why Frozen was so beloved there is because both princesses are beautiful and obviously European looking in a way that's impossible for Asians to emulate, that shit sells really really well.

Moana will do well in the US but will flop in Asia, I can guarantee it.

>>88573522
>and that Disney totally intended the sister's relationship to read as romantic.
Didn't one of the directors literally say that the two of them were initially unrelated but their relationship read too much as romantic so they made them sisters and stuck with that since >sibling love?

>>88591718
I need a source on the "romantic interpretation" from someone who worked on Frozen. I have only heard that the two were made sisters to make a personal connection.

>>88562693
This could have been Brave

Moana = Merida
Polynesian gods = Celtic/Gaelic gods
Maui = Wearbear demi god
Ocean = Enchanted forest

>>88590495
This is like a repeat of what happened with Lion King and Pocahontas, isn't it? Like didn't Disney believe Pocahontas was going to be the next big hit while the Lion King to them was just some movie about animals?

>>88592100

Yes, though specifically Disney created Pocahontas to be award bait and thought it'd be the start of transitioning animated movies into a medium for teens and young adults. They tried this again with Hunchback.

>>88592100
It's exactly like it. Pocahontas was even supposed to be the big SJW film with >evil whiteys and >good, kind, proud, in touch with nature natives and it was supposed to feature native princess and be huge progressive film and so on.

Instead it underperformed compared to early 90s films, got blown away by the Lion King and, most worryingly, signaled the end of Disney Renaissance.

Also, another connection is that Frozen is also connected to the Lion King because Disney wasn't as relevant to the pop culture like it was after Frozen released since Lion King, Frozen/Lion King were everywhere and they became part of the pop culture like Batman or Superman or Mickey Mouse. Moana/Pocahontas were never that relevant or liked and their influence on pop culture was/is minimal.

Didn't even know it was out honestly.

>>88592518
Yeah, it's complete opposite of Frozen. Frozen everyone thought would be shit initially (tumblr because two white princesses, everyone else because their early marketing focused exclusively on Olaf) but then it rose every week straight entirely through word of mouth until it became the cult hit and pop culture phenomena.

Moana OTOH has been over advertised and I don't see or know anyone outside of tumblr types that's actually blown away by the movie.

>>88590549
even better

>>88583204
Then how come every G.I. Joe is a rugged handsome buff guy?

>>88562693
because everyone only likes to see white girls

white people are superior

we all look up to them

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these are on sale for $50 at my local walmart. nobody has bought a single one.

>>88590265
I see what you did there.

>>88567567
/tv/ has been desperately trying to make comparisons with SW:RO and BvS because they're empty husks of what was once a human being and they only know how to eek enjoyment out of memes.

>>88593772
needs to be a 4 stage transformer.
Then we'll talk

>>88570539
>>88574732
they broke even fromthe merchandise easy. with that much movie money. also not released everywhere yet

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>>88593772
That's such a lame ass toy. Who would even want a super low function action figure with a fucking hook. Not to mention it's a big fat black man. No parent wants their kid to idolize that. Even black women want their kids to marry nice white men, or at least get their child support.

>>88563806
>They had to scramble to get merchandise out for it
That explains the same character portraits on everything

>>88595451
Isn't most sports idolizing fat black men?

THis is actually one of the better Disney movies, much better than Frozen.
I am not surprised it didn't do better, between a lack of advertising and hype and the election there was more than enough to distract people from this movie.

>>88594569
>they broke even fromthe merchandise easy

I doubt it's selling that well.

Colored princesses (Jasmine, Pocahontas, Tiana, Moana) flop because Disney is too afraid of giving the characters tangible flaws. Disney focuses too much on making upstanding role models that they forgot to make the character a good, lovable character.

>>88562693

I dug the movie, but it did kinda meander a bit.

It should have been set back in the days when Maui was actually doing all his cool hero shit, with Tamatoa as the main villain. In the real myths Maui never managed to steal Tahiti's heart because she accidentally crushed him to death with her obsidian vagina dentata, so you could just have had him squaring off against Tamatoa to see who could be the first to snatch it. Maui beats crabcakes, tears off his leg, and gets the heart -but realizes that what he's doing is wrong and puts it back.

Shit, you could even keep Moana in there as a hero-in-training under Maui's wing, or even just as a witness dedicated to recording his good deeds.

>we still get a version of Shiny, but it's Tamatoa singing Moana a Bowie ballad in an attempt to win her over to his side to spite Maui

>>88596068
So, Moana is uninspired shit like Brave?

Goddamn it and the one movie i wanted to see, Shin Godzilla, was delayed here in mexico until January 2017.

By the way, how is moana doing in japland? is it true that shingoji is still on theathers?

>>88596724
Moana is MUCH better than Brave, by virtue of Moana not being a selfish bitch.

>>88596724
>is it true that shingoji is still on theathers?

No.

But it was a smashing success, apparently, so you'll get another chance to see a goji in that style, likely.

>>88562693
Probably because the musical numbers didn't hit as well as Frozen did.

>>88596740
Moana at least had more complexities than beyond "I want mah freedom!"

>>88562693
Insufficiently white princess.

Oh, sure, people will make a loud stink about representation and crap. But giving them 'what they want' isn't going to make them stop finding stuff to complain about to actually go see a movie.

Alternatively, it's a Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson movie without Vin Diesel and those almost always underperform.

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>this whole thread

Big Hero Six made about the same thing, domestically. 2/3 of their total take came from overseas.

>>88580006
>Will the articles attack the children?

Remember the vid where an aunt gives her nieces two black dolls and they start crying? People not only wanted their parents arrested but the girls sent to reeducation ''facilities''. Leftists are scum incarnate.

>>88562693
Same reason Trump won the election.

>>88567567
Because the DCEU Apologists and /tv/ folk are always trying to turn the Marvel/Disney/Star Wars brand into some larger aggregate villain for them to rail against.

>>88598651
>Same reason Trump won the election
Bad marketing for some ugly hag?

>>88562693
>Princess and the frog - flop
>Tangled - success
>Frozen - MASSIVE success
>Moana - flop

Hmmmm....

>>88592258

Since Frozen is the new Lion King, BH6 new Pocahontas, what is zootopia then? Darkest Disney movie since Hunchback of Notre Dame? Or the new Emperors New Groove?
That documentary signals it's the latter, Disney got so big its next movies are going t suck, but they'll make money by the brand name alone.

And there's no competition except maybe WAG which makes nothing but Lego movies.

>>88595802
>Colored princesses (Jasmine, Pocahontas, Tiana, Moana) flop because Disney is too afraid of giving the characters tangible flaws.

Aladdin was not a flop by any measure and Pocahontas did well enough. Moana will probably do okay too.

I don't think your argument holds up. Aurora, Cinderella, Rapunzel, and Belle are literally flawless characters whose conflict is all external. Yet their merchandise sells and they're some of the most popular among little girls.

>>88595513
>and the election
Actually election and the general political climate will probably work against the film. Think about it, this is a diversity film, that's what it is, and Americans have just signaled they're pretty tired of diversity being shoved down their throats and Europeans have had full year of brown people going around, raping, stealing and driving trucks around. I just can't see either of those populations being ecstatic to see the film.

And then Asians are notoriously racist. I highly doubt they'll be able to convince Chinese or Japanese to go see a film featuring fat brown girl.

>>88570539

"Breaking even" is not even REMOTELY good enough. You're supposed to make at least double the money you spent or it would have been better to not make the movie.

>>88592953
Besides the female ones, and the ninja, it's because they are special forces, so being rugged and buff comes with the territory.

>>88596871
>Probably because the musical numbers didn't hit as well as Frozen did.
That too. Not a single song in Moana is in the same universe of catchy as Let it go. You're Welcome comes pretty close and it is catchy but it's also funny, silly song, not exactly something that everyone can relate to and feel inspiration from like Let it go.

Neither of the main two songs, the one about ancestors that's boring as fuck and sounds uninspired, and the one Moana sings about how she has no limits or whatever, are really... there.

>>88592953
they're muscular because they're supposed to be badass, not handsome

Little girls are still bsessed wth Elsa.

My niece told me Moana is ugly and she cannot be a princess.

>>88580006
>>88563806
Frozen was successful because of meme magic. We had all that horrible winter weather and everybody kept memeing about how Elsa did it and that kept driving the box office

>>88600356
>My niece told me Moana is ugly and she cannot be a princess.
Your niece is based.

>>88600494
Yeah and now they've released a summer themed movie in the middle of the winter for 99% of the relevant audience.

>>88576100
>getting butthurt about interracial
What?

>>88562693
Racism.
It had the forst non-white Disney princess ever after all

>>88600961
Interracial is degeneracy

Honestly, the biggest problem is that it's another Brown Princess. White Princess sell well not only in the States but also overseas, Europeans and especially Asians don't want to see Brown Princesses, they want to see blonde, blue eyed Princess or close to that.

TROLLS did better then Moana in theaters overseas. TROLLS

You can deny this all you want but it's the simple truth. It's white Princess and the Frog did bad and it's why Moana did bad. The only reason Disney even does non-white Princesses is so they're not called racist by the country they're companies in. If they were more money minded they'd just make full on white princesses without even blinking.

Chinese fucking hate brown/black people. It's not going to do well.

I remember Tangled still having threads a long time after release, though that was mainly because of feetfags

Frozen had running generals for months and months, people would still debate over whether what's his face was premeditated or if it was spur of the moment betrayal.

Moana doesn't seem like it has anything to talk about, it's just a very straightforward children's movie.

>>88601136
>Frozen had running generals for months and months
Because of incest shipper and fanfiction drama not because of anything else.

>>88600583
I'm gonna kick your niece in the ribs

>>88563849
You are a dumbass

>>88564483
What the fuck does DC have to do with Moana? Jesus Christ you are insecure.

>>88580255
But you didn't say anything about this you faggot

>>88571341

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Wait, don't animated movies usually make their money really slowly and steadily?

According to boxofficemojo Moana is just 4 milion behind Frozen in the same amount of time. Frozen broke 1 billion at the end of its run.

>>88576647
It looked like the same bullshit disney plot with bad jokes but brown people this time.

>>88601136
>>88601175

Yes. The presence of generals isn't an indication of quality, just whether a work has enough elements in it to attract autism.

>>88598778

No, that's Ghostbusters.

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>>88598988
>no competition

Dreamworks still makes movies.

>>88600494

>thanks to memes elsa's fugly face stares at you from literally everything, including kitchen and toilet paper.

what a time to be alive

>>88598988
You've got it completely wrong. Frozen brought in the new renaissance; it's either Little Mermaid of Beauty and the Beast. Zootopia is Lion King with Moana being Pocahontas.

>>88601676

The Little Mermaid - Tangled
Beauty and the Beast - Winnie the Pooh
Aladdin - Wreck-It Ralph
The Lion King - Frozen
Pocahontas - Big Hero 6
The Hunchback of Notre Dame - Zootopia
Hercules - Moana

White Protagonist
>Liked by white audiences
>Liked by black audiences
>Liked by asian audiences
>Liked by latino audiences
>Liked by other audiences

Black Protagonist
>Liked by black audiences
>Disliked by white audiences
>Disliked by asian audiences
>Disliked by latino audiences
>Disliked by other audiences

Asian Protagonist
>Liked by asian audiences
>Liked by white audiences
>Liked by black audiences
>Liked by latino audiences
>Liked by other audiences

Latino Protagonist
>Liked by latino audiences
>Liked by black audiences
>Disliked by white audiences
>Disliked by asian audiences
>Disliked by other audiences

Other Protagonist
>Liked by black audiences
>Liked by other audiencs
>Disliked by white audiences
>Disliked by asian audiences
>Disliked by latino audiences

The only two marketable races are white people and asian people.

>>88601797
Entirely this

>>88601797
>tfw black audiences are the most chill and accepting but no one is equally chill and accepting of them

>>88601797
Is there any evidence that they hate actors like Will Smith or Idris Elba? They put them in everything, even the posters

>>88601378
>According to boxofficemojo Moana is just 4 milion behind Frozen in the same amount of time.

No, it's 36 million behind. Frozen made 204 million within 28 days when you discount the almost week it had of early screening according to your source.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&view=chart&id=frozen2013.htm

>>88601872
Those actors are exceptons to the rule. Seriously, you'd be surprised by how many supposed non-racists generally don't like black people but are happy to convince themselves otherwise by turning around and saying they like a handful of the ones they see in the media.

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>>88601923
>not forcing oneself to stare at black people is racist

>>88601797

This is completely wrong.

White people don't go to see majority-asian movies (weebshits are not representative), and black people don't care about Mexican culture movies or Islander culture movies.

>>88601797
Asians hate Asians, so it's completely wrong. Nobody in Japan was excited for Mulan.

>>88602000
From what I've seen black people will watch almost any kind of movie since they're used to having to project their own traits onto non-black characters.

You may be right about white people though.

>>88601999
If you don't like black people then you don't like black people. All I'm saying is that you get people who insist they like black people because they do them the great service of seeing films starring Morgan Freeman while avoiding them in real life.

>>88602084
And China hated memoirs of a gasia iirc

>>88602117
I think it was banned.

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Black person here
I watch all the Disney movies, so does my entire family.

Personal favorite movie is Destino

>>88602000
>black people don't care about Mexican culture movies or Islander culture movies.

black people watch pretty much any movie if it interests them, they don't give a shit about race outside of trying to convince other races not to treat them like sub-humans

>>88601797
>black protagonists hated by whites and Latinos.
But those people see movies with them as protags all the time, even more so Latinos.

>>88602236
But they are sub-humans Anon. They'll watch anything to escape the truth, they're living trash

Oh it flopped? M-Maybe Disney will try to do a 2D animated film again ha h-ha ;-;

>>88601854
>>88602236
>>88602174
>>88602098
Why does everybody hate black people then?

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>>88601854
>black people
>chill and accepting

Tssh! Yeah, right...

>>88602335

nah, they'll make more movies with talking animals.

>>88602406
Various reasons.

Some are justifiable, some are not. Some are based in reality and the flaws of black people/culture, others are based in scaremongering and the insecurity of other races. Some could potentially be remedied if we all just learned to stop trying to evade blame and accepted our flaws, others, I fear, are just too ingrained into the natural order to be changed.

All we can know is that, no matter what happens, black people will always be on the bottom of the dog pile.

>>88602475
>bottom
Nah that's natives

>>88602236
>white people watch pretty much any movie if it interests them

>>88602429
As far as racial politics go, yeah, they're not overly judgmental outside of trying to assert their own racial significance.

>>88602283
That's historically wrong as blacks loved black face at its height. Everyone enjoys stereotypes to a degree.

>>88602506
This delusion

>>88602544
I've never seen black people refuse to watch a movie or play a game because it has a white protagonist in it. The most they'll do is say there should be more shit with black protagonists.

>>88602475
This to a degree, surely, scaremongering, insecurity but especially, ESPECIALLY the Social and Cultural climate of Black Society is what kills them. If you try to advance or become more then "ghetto" you're threatened, harassed and worse, killed.

If all you do is live in a poor area, the media tells others to be scared of you, your family and friends tell you to kill people and all you do is listen to rap music that tells you the only way to succeed is through violence what do you think is going to happen?

People ignore these things but Black American culture is probably one of the most negative and violent cultures/social constructs ever created. They hate themselves while others hate them, if they some how manage to succeed and escape that pithole you then have to worry about whites and other racist telling you how horrible you are and you will never succeed and if you somehow do you will never get a promotion.

>>88602525
Uh no it's not, it's sciencetifically proven that blacks aren't even human, they're a sub-species of humans today. You know the blacks in Australia aren't even considered humans and are considered wildlife.

>>88602525
Blackface wasn't some subversive use of stereotypes. It was literally just white actors putting on makeup to look black because the troop didn't hire any black actors. If a few blacks particularly liked plays with black face then it was simply because they had black characters, not because of some meta appreciation of stereotypes.

>>88602581
As a black man, I can concur that black culture can be fundamentally toxic. There are positive aspects to it such as empowerment and offering a degree of independence from white culture, but I have to argue that the detraction from the prosperity of black people is just too weighty.

Mainstream black culture glorifies being impoverished, refusing to cooperate with laws and authority, superficiality, infidelity, hedonism, violence, factionalism and, perhaps most damagingly of all, the all pervasive victim complex that compels them to constantly blame all shortcomings on the system that keeps them down.

And while there are most assuredly instutions and sentiments that make it difficult for black people to succeed in America, I would say that a lot of our problems could be addressed if we just dialed back the radicality of our culture a little bit, accepted that not all of our faults are to be blamed on authority and tried to assimilate a bit better.

But then that would be asking a lot of any race.

>>88602608
I'd argue that aboriginals aren't the same as blacks living in America but I know you don't actually care and that you'll twist anything to suit your preconception that blacks are shit so what's the point?

>>88602970
The aboriginals not being the same as american blacks doesn't mean that they aren't both subhuman.

>>88562693
you don't seem to realize how disney makes its money.

they don't make their money on boxoffice sales. they make it on toys.$284 mil is a drop in the ocean compared to the billions they make on merchandise.

Was it better than Frozen?

>>88603031
What classifies as subhuman?

>>88602611
I know, I was countering the claim that media was used as an escape from stereotypes. Black Face is as blatant as it gets.

>>88603622
Yes, and no. I think the main thing OP doesn't realize about Disney's movie box-office game is heavy-handed Hollywood accounting. They overstate the costs and understate the box and pay less taxes, pay the creators and actors smaller bonuses, etc, etc. Nothing against Disney, this is just how it works.

>>88562693
It's a bad movie.

I went on tuesday night and I live in a pretty populated area of central Jersey, and my friends and I were pretty much the only people in the theater, bar maybe 5 other people.

Sure, it was a tuesday night, but it's also winter break for a lot of people

it's not 2050 year

most moviegoers are still white

>>88579603
>She is the first disney character in ages with a appealing design
THICCfags are the worst. Ana, Elsa, and Rapunzel are all very clearly more attractive than Moana, and it's not even the skin color thing.

>>88604128

Moana isn't even thick. Her tits are smaller than Elsa's.

>>88601378
Because it's not just American market that matters anymore. The reason why Frozen broke 1.1B$ needed to beat Toy Story 3 is entirely because of Asian markets (China, Korea, Japan) and the reason Frozen ended up at 1.25B$ is because of Asian markets.

Moana will do slightly worse in NA but much worse overseas so the total won't be as high. I'll honestly be surprised if it beats Lion King's 970M$.

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>>88602000
>White people don't go to see majority-asian movies
So why is Seven Samurai the second most copypasted movie plot in hollywood?

>>88579603
Rapunzel and Elsa are both objectively prettier than her. Not even talking about any racist shit but even when considered within their individual races Punzy and Elsa are both strong 10/10s and Moana, even when compared to other Pacific Islanders, is 6/10 at best.

>>88593772
$50? wtf man