>"The Avatar State is a defense mechanism, designed to

>>88522896

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>>88522896
Wasn't it getting in touch with Raava?

Like didn't Wan do that shit?

Well she accessed the skills and knowledge in the past of HER life, right? So maybe she's just connecting to that?

>>88522896
uh
uh

uh......

seriously, I never understood how anyone could defend korra
it's a mediocre show on it's own and it's worse when you compare it to the original series

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>>88522896
Sounds like BDSM Subspace

you know what the worst complaint about this series is?

People who bitch that she got all of her bending back right away, because they wanted her to have to travel around the world re-learning it. THAT'S LITERALLY THE PLOT OF THE LAST AIRBENDER

>>88522896
The decision to make the Avatar state just a power-up given by the incarnation of goodness was just such a retarded hack move that I can barely even believe it's actually a real plot element to the series and that people thought it was a good enough idea to make it to air. It's. They just turned the Avatart state into just such an uninteresting, unoriginal boring concept and sucked away any interesting nuance or mystery it had, I don't even know why they wanted to get rid of the whole past lives thing when it was never really that important and was just some cool lore to the series, outside of it being the writers way of saying that they are breaking all connections to the old show and now Korra is the thing we should all love.

>>88523024
Bryke are shit at conclusions
They always have been.
Even ATLA ended in a shit way

Season 1 Korra was good, until they had to end it, then they fucked it up
Amon made perfect sense as a villain and was really good up until they ruined it

Season 2 was irredeemable
Season 3 was better than most of ATLA
It had fucking consequences

Season 4 was good until Bryke had to find a way to conclude it
Then they fucked it all up, in their usual way

>>88522896
>Then why it still exists after the link to the past lives is destroyed?
>>88522992
>>88523024
>>88523133


Same reason why Aang's still existed even after we see the past lives fade and blink out.

Same reason how the First Avatar would be able to access their Avatar State.

>>88523165
I'm just saying that the idea itself is bad and just shouldn't have been included in the show at all. In fact, I think all of the spirit stuff in Korra was just awful and detrimental to the entire series.

>>88522896
I like how they tanked my interest with this plot point. They lost so many stories this way. Along with the spirits just being awful.

>>88523254
>Book 1's finale builds Aang to be Korra's spiritual guide in the same way Roku was to him.
>"lol nope"

>>88523209
Well yeah of course it's terrible. They had her lose them to give a sense of loss that only produced anger because of how and why she lost the connection.

>>88523302
Roku was Aang's "get out of jail free" card. Aang was already spiritual and had all the answers.

>>88523144
>Season 3 was better than most of ATLA

It was better than the garbage that preceded it, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

>>88523254
>I like how they tanked my interest with this plot point
This is the downfall of Korra
>Oh shit the non-benders are realizing how fucked they are
>Nope lol it's just me, a rogue Water Bender

>Oh shit the spirits are pissed on a global level. Maybe they have legit reasons
>Lol nope, just me the evil Uncle
>Season 3
>All good
>Season 4
>Oh shit, remaking the government of the largest nation after the events of Season 3 will take some careful work
>Lol fuck that time for giant mecha

>>88523378
Did ATLA ever have regicide?

>>88523420
Ozai killed his dad offscreen.

>>88523165
>Same reason why Aang's still existed even after we see the past lives fade and blink out.
Aang didn't lose the avatar connection, he just died, that's why we saw all the avatars disappear and that's why we saw them all come back once his chi was unblocked
The circumstances for Korra would be different

>Same reason how the First Avatar would be able to access their Avatar State.
That was due to harmonic convergence

>>88523446
Wasn't that Ursa?

>>88523165
But Aang's Avatar State didn't work while his chakra was fucked up. That's a major plot point in season 3.

>>88523420
No. The heroes we followed in AtLA never allowed anything bad to happen permanently and managed to stop things by their own efforts from staying in the bad for long.

>>88523446
Offscreen is for bitches

Season 3 Korra delivered on competent villains.
And had stakes
Season 3 ending was perfect
The juxtaposition of Jinora's ascension with Korra's sadness was brilliant because the two perfectly matched each other

That season end with Aang being lightning blasted never managed pottery like that

>>88523501
>managed to stop things by their own efforts
Or if a Lionturtle appeared out of no where and gave the hero a solution

>>88523452
>That was due to harmonic convergence
And due to harmonic convergence, the connection to Raava was reaffirmed when they fused and touched the stream of light like how Wan did back in the day.

>>88523452
>he just died,
In the Avatar State when Azula shot him.

>>88522896
Same reason the first avatar could do it even when he had no past life to call upon

>>88523537
Gave the hero a solution that he still had to risk killing his soul hence the red energy we see slowly overtaking Aang's blue energy but the hero pulls through of their own will.

Not >>88523515
>The juxtaposition of Jinora's ascension with Korra's sadness was brilliant because the two perfectly matched each other
which is stupid. Not to mention the other finales in LoK.

>>88523012
>Raava

Why couldn't the Avatar just stay the earth's guardian of balance, with the human aspect effecting the means to that end (e.g. some being more hands on while others are lax, some killing more liberally than others)?

>>88523593
Dude, it's still shit, even with the "consequences" of his soul being taken over

It's like if a movie, 5 minutes before climax, offered a magic gun to the hero and said "You have 50/50 chance of killing your enemy. Go get him!"

It's still a Deux ex Machina

If they wanted that end, it should have been the Guru who told Aang about it.
So that he always knew the risks and then only at the end accepted them.

But having a never before seen character suddenly show up 10 seconds before midnight with a solution is bullshit
Always will be

>>88523501
>The heroes we followed in AtLA never allowed anything bad to happen permanently
Like if a princess had to sacrifice her life so waterbenders could not lose the war
Or if a passionate leader of a ragtag team of resistance fighters gets brainwashed by a double agent who is working for the people who killed those resistance fighters' families
Or if a young ostracized blind girl runs away from her family and gets betrayed when it turns out her family didn't try to find her and she never makes up with them

There were tons of bad things that happened
In the second episode we see the result of the war and the battle on the airbenders

>>88523593
>which is stupid
Nigger you dumb

Korra was crying at the end precisely because of Jinora's ascension.
Can you tell me why?

It was brilliant

>>88523627
>Why couldn't the Avatar just stay the earth's guardian of balance
That's literally what the Avatar still is. More-so now that the Avatar has both Raava and Vaatu inside them.

>>88523543
>In the Avatar State when Azula shot him
And then he came back to life
So if he's not dead, then why would there be any problem with the avatar state

>the connection to Raava was reaffirmed when they fused and touched the stream of light like how Wan did back in the day
But it doesn't make sense for the glow to happen after that, if it is a defense mode that calls upon the past lives, if there are no past lives to call upon
We never see Wan in the avatar state because it doesn't exist until after he died

>>88523684
No, the Avatar is now a host for the physical embodiment of good.

>>88523668
>Can you tell me why?
Because Jinora knew that Korra was about to be poisoned a few rooms over and chose instead to remain quiet and still and let everyone else be freed first and wait until she was the last one freed before speaking up and still didn't speak up until Korra's father said now they have to go find Korra and they send Mako, Bolin, and Tonraq instead of literally everyone because Mako, Bolin and Tonraq managed to do so well when fighting the super terrorists before so of course those three could do okay confronting all of them together with Korra held hostage.

>>88523765
That has literally nothing to do with my question

>>88523420
Did Korra ever have genocide?

>>88523420
Yes. Also, ATLA had actual logic in the plot. Tell me how "muh chaos" makes any sense.

>>88523703

Because he was dead, the link was severed in that his chakra was completely fucked up. He couldn't put his own body into balance to access it.

Which is why it was a complete fluke of him smashing into a rock which then realigned himself that his chakra could flow as it should've.

>>88523801
>ATLA had actual logic in the plot
What exactly was Ozai's goal when burning the fuck out of empty territory?

>>88523703
>So if he's not dead, then why would there be any problem with the avatar state
Because Aang had already lost his people and was the last of his culture so having him lose the past lives would make everyone sad that this child has such a hard life. Regardless of what Roku said about dying in the Avatar State before.

>>88523703
>We never see Wan in the avatar state because it doesn't exist until after he died

His eyes glow in Beginnings from 19:25 to 20:15 as a time stamp if you watch Beginnings part 2 once he fuses with Raava and is the first Avatar.

>>88523732
>No, the Avatar is now a host for the physical embodiment of good.
No, the Avatar is the Earth's Guardian of Balance, who is combined with the Spirit of Light and Peace. The Avatar's ultimate goal is to keep balance.

And after the B2 finale, The Avatar also has the Spirit of Chaos and Darkness inside them.

>>88523847
1. It is shown from the get-go that Ozai is a crazy, power-hungry motherfucker
2. he was burning burning ENEMY territory. That's always a good thing.

>>88523789
>That has literally nothing to do with my question
You wouldn't cry if someone knew you were in danger and didn't tell people capable of getting you out of the danger quicker before the shit hits the fan and then said person is praised and honored while you can't even use the bathroom by yourself?

>>88523905
>no no, it's not illogical and dumb. It's because the character is illogical and dumb

>>88523847
Not the most logical part for sure but if I had to work with that I'd say it's because Ozai is a narcissist and that act makes for a better show in history. The continent would have a massive "scar" on it for a long time and it would go down as the ultimate punishment for defying his will.

>>88523847
>What exactly was Ozai's goal when burning the fuck out of empty territory?
Ba Sing Se was occupied by the Fire Nation so you really shouldn't burn a territory where your people are stationed.
Also if the Earth Kingdom is vast and dense in forests then burning them allows you to let the fires spread and engulf the outlying resistance. And if any Fire Nation see the coming flames they can repel them using their own control of fire so it doesn't affect them only those who are hidden/living in the wild (like Jet and his gang) or living isolated (swampbenders.) Get the people who you don't easily get that live in big cities. Make a big burning statement.

>>88522896
Because that explanation is wrong. The actual explanation for how the avatar state works had been lost to history by Aang and
Korra's time. This is very simple and clearly explained in the show.

Also, anyone who has a problem with the avatar state getting de-powered is an idiot. The avatar state is almost literally a deus ex machina. which means you either take it away, as they did for most of ATLA and the first season of Korra, or you put the protagonist up against increasingly overpowered, equally god-like enemies, hence the dark avatar of Korra season two. Getting rid of the past lives was a good way of solving that problem. There's a reason why most mentor characters die in stories. You can't have a protagonist being constantly bailed out by their more powerful, more experienced mentor figure. And that's exactly what the old avatar state was. This was a problem even in ATLA. That's why the second he's gains control of the avatar state he instantly loses it. And then they bring it back for the finale, but then they had to come up with spirit bending to actually give the finale any sense of risk because if it just came down to a physical fight it would be an effortlessly one-sided curb-stomp, as we see.

LOK is far from perfect, but it's easy to see most of its problems just spring from the fact it was never planned as anything more than a single season, and so the second season was rushed and taken as a whole the four seasons lack the extremely solid structure that ATLA had due to always being planned as a three season trilogy. LOK is still really good though and has never really deserved the amount of hate it's received. Then again, the people who hate it, at least on /co/ unfailingly come across as trollish, unreasonable and oddly obsessed with a cartoon they claim to think is awful. It's very clearly an example of one of those weird anti-fandoms, people bizarrely invested in hating something for the sake of it.

>>88524015
>You can't have a protagonist being constantly bailed out by their more powerful, more experienced mentor figure.

So have them be bailed out by a street rat who is more adept at firebending than the Fire Nation royal family and a small child who is more spiritual than the living embodiment of order and chaos because.

>>88523926
i said exactly why it's logical, anon. I just pointed out it's also in-character.

While Zaheer basically is going nowhere. Like, "let's kill leaders because.. chaos. That will help somehow, even if i have no clue how".

>>88524120
Zaheer had a totally logical reason
The Avatar has essentially been enforcing the 4 nation system for centuries if not millennia.

If you born Earth Kingdom, you will follow Earth Kingdom. If you don't a God on Earth will come down and smite you

He had a perfect reason for wanting to break the system

Hell, LoK showed that he was right with Republic City.
There never needed to be racially mandated societies

Meanwhile Ozai is just "MUHAHAHA I AM EVIIIIL"
Azula was a great villain.
But Ozai was pretty much the same as Melon Lord

>>88524015
>people bizarrely invested in hating something for the sake of it.
If LoK was just LoK. But it is Avatar so people from AtLA who loved AtLA have to put up with LoK.
This isn't like people who hate Eragon, of the Inheritance cycle, series which is only compromised of shit. Or if someone brings up Johnny Test. LoK is the bad part of Avatar which has the good part of AtLA that people enjoyed. People in the fandom have to contend with this.

>>88524193
>Hell, LoK showed that he was right with Republic City.
But he didn't want Raiko for the URN either, which is a melting pot of races/cultures choosing their own way of life. Nor did he have any qualms about putting Tenzin in a position where he would die despite him being a spiritual leader like how the airbendering temples had their leaders.

Hell back in Wan's time, if he's so knowledgeable, then he knows that there were leaders in that chaos society too.

>>88524270
Raiko was a cuck though

>>88524193
>If you don't a God on Earth will come down and smite you
what? where was that stated? who said that you can't just leave?

>He had a perfect reason for wanting to break the system
what reason? you didn't say anything.

>There never needed to be racially mandated societies
anon.. what?

>>88524435
Did you... Not watch the show at all?

What do you think the Red Lotus' end game was?

>>88524335
Then Zaheer should have taken the URN citizenship exam, passed, and voted for a better leader to act in office come the next election.

>>88524335
>using the word cuck
off to >>>/pol/

>>88524481
You see, Zaheer's response (i.e. I'm a bender, I'm just going to use my godlike powers to enact my will) is exactly why Amon was right

It still steams my hams that Season 1 fucked up his message.
Because he was right

>>88524454
>What do you think the Red Lotus' end game was
according to Zaheer himself, he thought the nations were corrupt (which has nothing to do with what you said), and that bringing them to chaos would fix them

the thing is.. he never explains how chaos would fix anything. And guess what: it doesn't.

This show is shit!

>>88524544
You need everything spelt out for you?

>>88522896
Avatar Wan was a mistake

>>88524574
Agreed

""Answers"' are the anti-thesis to mysticism

It seems like we get at least 2 Korra hate threads every day.

It's been 4 years already, it's time to let go.

>>88524567
No, i just need you to provide evidence of your claims.

>>88524530
>You see, Zaheer's response (i.e. I'm a bender, I'm just going to use my godlike powers to enact my will) is exactly why Amon was right

Except Zaheer convinced his friends that chaos was the true way back before he had bending.
Unalaq, Zaheer, and Kuvira were nutcases independent of their ability to bend.

>>88524609

Korra was, above all, disappointing.

That festers a lot worse than being simply bad.

>>88524609
It'll actually be 2 years since the show ended tomorrow, in case you're wondering why there's a sudden influx in Korra threads.

>>88524743
>It'll actually be 2 years since the show ended tomorrow
Damn, feels like it was yesterday /co/ was freaking out about the mecha.

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>>88524996
>Damn, feels like it was yesterday /co/ was freaking out about the mecha.

They should've just kept the Schwerer Gustav expy instead of going full retard. At least rail artillery is believable.

>>88522896
you gotta start somewhere

First few avatars after Korra are gonna have a rough time.

>>88525097
Korra probably won't even give the next Avatar any advice. Just whine about how bad she fucked up everything every time she gets called up.

>>88524996
>>88525079
/co/ was right damn it

The mecha was stupid as fuck

The whole "super weapon" thing was stupid as fuck

Kuvira had enough potency behind her with the unification thing without needing a super weapon

>>88525097
>>88525137
>the next Avatar after Korra actually loses competency whenever they go into Avatar State

KEK

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The giant mecha was just as stupid as the giant drill.

>>88525197
The giant drill had a practical purpose though
Giant walls

>>88525209
The giant mecha had a practical purpose though
Intimidation/rule by fear.

>>88525197

Aaaand the giant Drill was basically a throwaway episode that just needed SOMETHING big and clunky to be left behind as evidence, as opposed to the mech that was the centrepiece of the grand finale.

>>88525215
I think that diminishes Kuvira's legitimacy
Unity was a good enough call

Korra realizing that Zaheer may have been right should have been the true dilemma of Season 4.
Giving Kuvira a giant Hitler mecha and making her objectively wrong is stupid

>>88525197
This was discussed already. There is nothing particularly difficult to make about a drill. Big =/= advanced.

A giant bipedal mecha is a technology we don't even have today.

>>88525256
>Korra realizing that Zaheer may have been right
>Killing people solves everything
>Me killing you and your family and your friends is better for the world, which I will kill to make the world a better place.
>Zaheer may have been right
No.

>>88525197

No it wasn't. The main item stopping the enemy was the fact that they could neither a) earth bend, b) lava bend and c) couldn't utilise powerful fire benders/intelligent generals. like Iroh to break it down with fire. Combine that with the implication that the fire nation is big on industrial machines, and you have a fearsome weapon that can provide aang and gang some character/bending development, which it did.

The mecha was massively out of left field, considering all the science people knew nothing about it, IT WAS MADE OUT OF PURE PLATINUM FOR EXTERIOR, and it was even foreshadowed like the airships of ATLA with the villain smiling evilly. It was also highly unnecessary, considering the massive force that Kuvira commanded, all she had to do was wait what, a week? two? For those railroads to be cleared. Give her some kind of wacky railless train if you must, and just be glad that the latter half of the robot takedown was mildly entertaining.

>>88525411
>considering the massive force that Kuvira commanded
A force that was taken down by an EMP. Kuvira's ground forces were being held in place by two airbenders. Imagine getting all of them together and having Korra in the Avatar State against them. Get dickless and his effortless lightning bending and his drooling lava braindead brother with them and Kuvira's army is routed.

>>88525398
>>Killing people solves everything
It does solve something though

You can't deny that

>>88525523
No man, no problem.

>>88525470

That was also stupid though. That matrix of robots was a tiny portion of the force she commanded SO WHY WAS IT THE ONLY SHIT THERE.

>effortless lightning bending
I had a problem with this, not because I don't believe he shouldn't have it, but because his fire bending became so terrible.
>drooling braindead brother
He's still the second smartest out of the four. Bit depressing, but at least he's not struggling with airbending or being terrible at his job.

>>88525575
>He's still the second smartest out of the four.
>Maybe he's invisible?!
>I'll make bird calls!
>Ginger loves me!
>What do you mean you've been putting people in isolated camps who aren't Earth Kingdom citizens? But I'm from the URN naturally. And Varrick is Southern Water tribe. (Actually this is how stupid Kuvira is.)

>>88525575
>That matrix of robots was a tiny portion of the force she commanded SO WHY WAS IT THE ONLY SHIT THERE.
She's got to try and spread her forces to police the entire Earth Kingdom. You don't put everyone, that is every single soldier, on Omaha Beach for example. And the EMP could work on others that come in anyway.

>>88525523
>It does solve something though
Zombie apocalypses happen and people still put others in charge to lead them. Wan's time of chaos had people in charge of the Lion Turtle cities.

>>88525696

I'm fully aware of Bolin's daft statements. Him setting the bar low doesn't deny the fact that Mako and Korra are limbo champions in terms of common sense.

Favourite examples

>SHIT AMON JUST DENIED THE ACCUSATION I MADE WITHOUT ANY PROOF
>I don't need to fight you here unalaq, I'll just wait until this escalates to full on war and you become an avatar
>What do you mean I haven't mastered airbending, look at those leaves get blown away

>I'll just betray my girlfriend's plan, even though I can be held in now way responsible for it]
>I'm going to make an accusation to Varrick's face... and then do fuck all about it while he sets about framing me
>I hate looking after this prince... I'll wait until he requests to keep me permanently before telling him
>I can generate lightning, and earn a good career from it. I'll make sure me and my brother waste most of our money on a tournament that is probably fixed.

Also those last two of yours were technically true; Ginger loved his status, and the gulag thing is retarded once you consider you're putting three different kinds of benders guarded by a single kind of bender.

>>88524196
I understand you completely. LoK was just too mature for the AtLA crowd.

>>88525137

Next series is gonna be a young boy again and Korra gonna /ss/

>>88526514
Would Asami try to do some spiritual /ss/-lesbo hybrid?

>>88526514

I highly doubt there will ever be another series with how much nick apparently hates it.

>>88523889
Different anon here, but I'll throw in my 2 cents.

The avatar was, for the entirey of TLA, a simple human with an extraordinary connection to the spirit world. The avatar's free interpretation of what "keeping the balance" meant is what allowed for a whole variety of avatars, and the tools with which the avatar reinforces such beliefs were the bending and avatar state. So much of it was very obviously rooted to Buddhist philosophy - the avatar was in all regards the Dalai Lama. Even there, just like the Dalai Lama is considered in the line of incarnation from Avalokiteśvara as well as the spiritual (yet human) leader to bring peace and order to the Tibetan Government, so is the avatar a reincarnation of the past avatars who brings order to the physical world by the holy powers of the spirits. The Dalai Lama is both holy yet distinctly human, and the Avatar is both holy yet distinctly human. TLA never really strayed from this path, and by keeping a lot of the Avatar's abilities in the mystic did they so successfully implement this design.

Raava is and always will be the creator's poorly executed attempt to out-shine the original series. Raava is to the Avatar series what Midi-chlorians were to Star Wars, a sad excuse at expanding a world, explaining a system that by its supernatural nature did not warrant a scientific "how's and why's" explanation, and one-upping a progenitor and much more acclaimed series.

And technically you're not wrong, TECHNICALLY the avatar in LoK still maintained that original role using what is now a new and completely different system than what audiences perceived in TLA, but the criticism that LoK fairly gets is because it tried to out-do TLA but never exceeded the plot-writing standards that TLA set, it was just edgier. LoK was only good in terms of animation and choreography, it was really half-assed the rest of the way through.

>>88524193

Azula wasn't a villain.

>>88522896
If you payed attention, there wasn't a whole lot of finesse or technique to Korra's moves when she powered up. All her moves were brute force and barreling through obstacles to pulverize her adversaries.

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>>88528492
what the fuck are you?

>>88528563

There is nothing villainous about her. If anything she was just a foil to Zuko.

>>88528563

More importantly she never did anything evil

>>88528618
>forced ty lee to join her team by burning the safety net during her performance

>>88528668

Azula knew she was capable of doing the trick without the net. She genuinely cared for her friends.

LoK focused too much on asinine bullshit...

...

> Season one

Smuck one: Okay guys lets kick off the first couple episodes with the avatar exploring the inner workings of Republic city, interacting with interesting characters, and then start delving into the core issues surrounding the conflict of this season...

Smuck two: How about we just have Korra play bending sportsball with two bland side characters and then form a series of inane love triangles with said side characters instead?

Smuck one: Th-that is the most inspired plot design I have ever heard. You don't know how much of a pleasure it is to work alongside a genius of your magnitude...

...

Literally indefensible...

>>88528727
She was in mid-lightning shooting pose about to kill Mai.

>>88528874

She never did though. Also Mai did stab her in the back.

>>88527580
>The Dalai Lama is both holy yet distinctly human

Yeah but the Dalai Lama doesn't really have super powers and no one else in the Avatar universe can talk to their past lives.

Raava was them attempting to explain where the Avatar's "extraordinary connection to the spirit world" actually comes from.

It might not have been a good explanation, but that was their motivation.

>>88528903
>She genuinely cared for her friends.

>coerces one into fighting for her and would have killed the other if the coerced friend hadn't stopped her
I'm feeling the love.

>>88528910
>Raava was them attempting to explain where the Avatar's "extraordinary connection to the spirit world" actually comes from.

A connection that a small child with no character arc nor development exceeds for no reason.

>>88528805
>>88525921
I'm starting to wonder if people keep whining about Korra because it legitimately bothers them that much, or if hating the show has just become a meme. Its starting to feel more like the latter.

"Oh no this cartoon wasn't what I wanted it to be so I'll keep whining about it every day years later".

Almost as bad as people who wouldn't shut up about the star wars prequels. Get over it.

>>88528960

Again, Azula has faith in Ty Lee's abilities and Mai did backstab her. If anything Ty Lee and Mai are terrible friends because they feared her.

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>>88528995

>Get over it

Nah...

>>88529028
Nah. She's shit. I use to be naive like you, but one day I woke up and realized what a terrible person she was.

>>88528910
>It might not have been a good explanation, but that was their motivation.

The point was that they didn't need to have any explanation at all. Literally no one was questioning it.

>>88529118
>No trip

Trust me, the real Scrapper would never say that.

>>88528995
>because it legitimately bothers them that much
When something online is bad, you ignore or forget about it.
When something online is disappointing, you complain about it.

To hate it as a meme would be to say "I don't like the lesbian ending." The majority here will say "I don't like this, this, and that for these reasons - and the bisexual ending is icing on the shit cake."

>>88529028

> Azula has faith in Ty Lee's abilities

Perhaps, but Ty Lee wasn't quite so certain of her own abilities and having her safty net immolated from beneath her rattled her, and Azula knew that...

After the show Azula approachs Ty Lee and says that she plans to catch more of Ty Lee performances in future...

The threat is implicit, but it is there...

did some of you fucking idiots even watch ATLA because some of you idiots sound fucking stupid

>>88529180
There are people who just say its shit because of lesbians though.

Critiquing something is one thing, but there are frequent Korra threads where (probably) the same people keeps echoing the same complaints over and over again. How many times do you need to talk about why you think the show messed up? There's plenty of other shit to talk about.

Why didn't Bryke just use early plastics like bakelite or something instead of literal tons of pure platinum? Would've really driven home the "advancing technology leveling the playing field" idea they were playing at.

>>88529312
>There's plenty of other shit to talk about.
Which is why people have multiple tabs and/or windows opened. Multitasking is a thing and with the proliferation and expansion of technology, computers and what they can handle and process allow for easier communication.

>>88529312
>There's plenty of other shit to talk about.

Then why are you in here bitching about what we're discussing?

>>88529327
>Would've really driven home the "advancing technology leveling the playing field" idea they were playing at.
An idea that is broken down when moonless psychic bloodbending can be taught even if the bending is ripped from the male's body.
And how the spirits can walk into a piece of technology and make it crash.
And how spiritual energy was the key component and that the advancing technology required it to make things go boom and even power the platinumtron and smaller geckos.

Sure it would make more sense to say "this material isn't susceptible to your metal bending!" and leave it at that. Don't even have to call it bakelite. Or say "it's expensive, but the refining process reduces the chance of you benders manipulating our devices."

>>88529498
speaking of moonless bloodbending

Whatever happened to the plot point of their bloodbending working all the time EXCEPT when the moon was out?

>>88529432
Maybe because even when someone tries to start a more positive discussion about Korra it gets hijacked by complainers?

Besides, there are worse show (Johnny Test, Teen Titans Go) that get fewer bitch threads.

>>88529626
Because discussion is far more unified on how horrible those two shows are.

With Korra it's much more divided.

>>88529608
>Whatever happened to the plot point of their bloodbending working all the time EXCEPT when the moon was out?
Such a plot point never existed except on 4chan.

>>88529703
I see, I must be misremembering then

>>88528995

As I pointed out in my original post, I don't hate Korra, it was entertaining. It was just subpar compared to the creator's previous work.

>>88529208

Do you honestly believe Azula has it in her heart to see one of her best friends die? I swear to god you all think she is a heartless monster when really she is just lonely.

>>88529751
Though that does bring up the idea of what would happen if the moon was still dead from back in AtLA. Would waterbending work for Yakone and Sons Plumbing?
Could the waterbending giving lion turtle give waterbending to people back in Wan's day if the moon spirit was dead?
Why is waterbending the only one with a hard conditional? Even a solar eclipse passes. Sure if the sun goes out you can lose firebending but there are much more pressing matters at hand if the sun goes out!

>>88529823
This poster is Scrapper. Do not reply.

He will say he is not Scrapper, but shares all his views. Do not believe his lies.

>>88529897

Well hold on there pal, just because I share his opinion on Azula doesn't make me Scrapper.

>>88523420
>Did ATLA ever have regicide?
Fucking Azulon?

>>88529915
Seras is a shit waifu. Not only are you getting cucked by the man inside her, you're also getting cucked by Scrapper, which is honestly one of the most pathetic things possible. But you are Scrapper, so that's only one layer of cucking.

>>88529991

Fuck you that piece of shit french guy is dead. So is Scrapper. There is only me. and I'm going to be the one that makes Seras happy.

>>88530011
>Getting cucked by your split personality
That's even more pathetic.

Anyways, he's revealed himself as The Autist Formerly Known as Scrapper, so no one respond to him.

>>88524193
>Meanwhile Ozai is just "MUHAHAHA I AM EVIIIIL"
Nice seeing you missed the point of Ozai if that's all you get from it.

>>88523472

In the comics, it made it more clear that Ozai killed him and Ursa agreed to help him by brewing an untraceable poison. Ursa's family were florists in her native village and she grew up around plants. After the murder, Ozai allowed her to leave, mostly because he was afraid that she might poison him eventually. Theirs was an arranged marriage and she never loved him. Ozai only married her because she was descended from Avatar Roku and it was believed that she would produce strong heirs.

>>88529823
To me, Azula suffers from a combination of mommy/daddy issues, spiraling out into overall trust issues.

Because of what happened with her mother and Ozai, she never felt any sense of love from her mother, and when she finally left, it only confirmed her opinions, making her rely on daddy for emotional stability. But when your father's a power-hungry emperor looking at world domination, his rocker isn't exactly stable.

Combine that with the fact that she was an exceptionally talented firebender and would routinely wreck the mook Fire Army troops, when her dad ordered her to go deal with the Avatar she ran to the only people she could rely upon: Ty Lee, master gymnast and probably one of a handful of people who know about chi blocking at that point in time, and Mai, an equally skilled martial artist and expert with small, pointed objects.

Keep in mind that basically every fight they had was Aang + one of the other benders fighting Azula, while the remaining bender and Sokka duo'ed Ty and Mai, and that was barely successful in most of their encounters, with the Gaang ending up having to retreat after a period of time due to lost ground or needing to advance the plot.

But as Ozai's faith in his daughter grew, her desire to please him (partially due to her emotional issues, partially out of fear) lead that to try and rule over Mai and Ty Lee with fear too (because it's working so well for daddy, it'll work for me too, right?)

>>88528903
>She never did though
ATTEMPTED murder is a crime for a reason you waifuing fuck.

>>88530216
oh shit, the Azula guy is in this thread too

>>88529862
It threw the natural world (along with the spiritual world) out of whack. Sure, the water benders lost all their powers, but the other half of the Sea and Moon spirits basically forcibly possessed Aang and went all kaiju spirit demon on the entire Fire Navy sieging the North Pole, and it was only after the Moon spirit was revived that it left Aang.

Pretty sure if the Moon was still perma-dead, it would lead to basically all tidal movements being greatly weakened or stopped, leading to the mass extinction of basically all sea life, not to mention waterbenders being completely useless.

>>88529142
I was.

>>88528910
>Yeah but the Dalai Lama doesn't really have super powers
>Raava was them attempting to explain where the Avatar's "extraordinary connection to the spirit world"

Keep in mind that I was talking in context of the Avatar world. The Dalai Lama has the holy aspect of being the Guru of Buddhism, in which he exceeds other buddhists and serves as a spiritual leader. In the context of the human/Buddhist world, that doesn't need superpowers, just being closer to enlightenment and having knowledge of Buddhism that exceeds - perhaps even reinvents - other Buddhists.

In the Avatar world, "superpowers" like bending aren't limited to the avatar, just as Buddhism wasn't restricted to the Dalai Lama. Normal non-Avatar people could still bend, and even non-benders had some ability to influence "Chi" like with chi-blockers. Likewise, lesser Buddhists are still Buddhists without being the Dalai Lama.

The Avatar/Dalai Lama is simply the most exceptional in that field, considered to be on a spiritual level others aren't, and having a knowledge/power unique only to them. In their own respective contexts, both are still as "human" as their own worlds allow them to be, and that ability is never attributed to some other force. The farthest is that they're reincarnated, but even then, the accomplishments of the individual Dalai Lama/Avatar is still attributed to that individual alone.

This is what I meant earlier, and the crux of my argument was that the Avatar's powers were rightfully kept unexplained so that even something so supernatural (Bending and Spirits) still offered an excellent parallel to the real world (Buddhism). Expanding on the bending mechanic ruined what the original show tried to do and did well. It's not wrong to try to detail a superpower system, but the whole point of the Avatar series was that it did not need to and even benefited from this otherwise "magic".

Plus the Midi-Chloreans bit was just to say explaining the magic ruins the fun.

>>88530051

Hey fuck you man, we are a team.


>>88530186

exactly and that's why she never had the support Zuko had so we shouldn't judge her.


>>88530216

How can you prove she wanted to kill him?

>>88523847
>Win the War
>>Rule the World
>>>Become a Legend
He named himself the Phoenix King anon, it shouldn't surprise you that he believed in building from ashes.

>>88530411
>How can you prove she wanted to kill him?
How the fuck can you whiteknight a fictional character? There's literally zero chance of ever fucking her.

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Did the link break once before? How did any of the past avatars know that it would severe any connection to the avatar state?

>>88530442

Because she gets too much hate for no reason. There are people in real life who have gone through what she has and it's this stupid idea that every aggressor is a bad person when all we want is to be happy.

>>88530474
That's wonderfully poetic, anon, and I believe in true justice, but people don't deserve to have a fucking attempted murdering psychopath loose in their world. She fucking abused animals as a kid, that is a blatant sign of being a goddamn psychopath.

Cool motive, still attempted murder.

>>88528995
>Get over it.
Why should I?

>>88530474
If you think trying to stop a psychopath from harming people is unfair because she had a rough life, you should seek professional help.

>>88530524

I did too and guess what? I turned out fine. The point is you can be different from the norm and still be a good person and Aang and Iroh are finally starting to see that in the comics.

>>88530582

Fuck you, those therapists only want you to be like everyone else. And by the way she isn't a psychopath, there are no signs pointing to any sort of disorder.

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>>88530584

>>88530584
>I turned out fine
You are defending the honor of a fictional cartoon psychopath. You turned out the worst.

>>88528995
This may come as a shocker, but there are new people that join the discussion every so often who deserve to both hear and be part of an active debate. It may add something new to the table (it may not), or it may reinforce valid ideas on storytelling.

People who loved LoK outside of /co/ clearly still rave about it, probably try to get new people to watch it, and are the driving force behind fan-pandering shows like LoK to be the new gold standard for future shit.

This will sound retarded, but in a way it's like keeping an active military even when there's no ongoing war. It's a necessary evil to reinforce and sometimes challenge our own ideas if and when something similar happens in the future.

>>88530622
>>88530634

Hey assholes, I got a job and pay my bills. I am just about as normal as the next guy. Also I'm not Scrapper.

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>>88530666
>when you forget to deny you're you and quickly tack it on to the end

>>88530700

Fuck you polyle is a piece of shit and that doesn't prove anything.

>>88523640
>Spirits help Aang throughout his jouney
>Lion Turtle whose existence was foreshadowed helps Aang
>Deus Ex Machina

>>88530601
>>88530584

Heeeey scrapper, long time no see buddy.

>>88522896
Only answer is because they changed how it works and what it is.

>>88531324
>a poster with a lion turtle in the background that was in frame for a few seconds
>foreshadowing

>>88530078
So it was both of them then.

Korra's massive breasts.

>>88522896
Like Sokka said:
It's an Avatar thing.

>>88522896
Because the writers were that stupid.

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>>88523344
>Aang had all the answers

>>88533286
Are always on my mind

>>88530416
So phoenixes are canon creatures in Avatar or are they just mythological?

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>>88524629
Not him, but I believe Zaheer was on the same line of thought that Rousseau expressed in his version of the Social Contract. In its natural state, mankind is good, generous and kind towards each other. As long as you give them private property, governments, and laws they become corrupt and will begin living in resentment and hatred towards each other, impulsing selfishness and individualism. He thought corruption in the governments was keeping people from reaching true equality and keeping mankind from staining actual freedom and happiness. Now, Rousseau did not support what Zaheer does, because he believed going back to the Natural State was impossible. He thought what needed to be done was obtaining a complete and true democracy, giving as much freedom as possible and ensuring every citizen had the same opportunities. Zaheer did believe he could return mankind to the Natural State, so he went off to eradicate all governments and spiritual authorities in order to reestablish true freedom of the body and mind.
This is particularly interesting because then comes in Kuvira, who can be easily associated with Hobbes' ideals of a perfect Social Contract in which a harsh, tough and downright tyrannical leader takes charge because humans are inherently flawed and will end up killing each other if they are given peace.

Seriously, the best part about LoK was its villains.

>>88534687
Except Unafart.

>>88534895
Yeah, fuck that guy.

>>88522896
shit character writing, shit locations, shit conclusions

>>88534560
Isn't there a phoenix spirit in LoK?

>>88530404
>The Avatar/Dalai Lama is simply the most exceptional in that field, considered to be on a spiritual level others aren't, and having a knowledge/power unique only to them.

The problem is they're born that way, it's not achieved through effort.

Which means it automatically raises the question of "Why? What makes them so special?"

>>88522896
Just because the spiritual connection to past Avatar spirits is severed doesn't mean that the spiritual connection to their skills and knowledge is. It just means she can't talk to them, like Aang did.

I don't see how korra season 3 is so good for you anons. The villains aren't honestly that great imo and the season saw an influx of even more underdeveloped characters.
>>88522896
shit writing
>>88523209
>>88523308
Why did they replace the earthy and organic designs of the spirits with miyazakimon?

>>88536809
I don't know, it bugs me so much but so many people on here give it a free pass. The spirit world went from a mysterious spooky realm where spirits lived to just a kiddy fun-zone filled with wacky things.

>>88522896

did you retards forget that she was trying to go into the Avatar State when the poison was put into her

>>88538179
Except, you know, the evil spider creature. And the fog spirit. Or the evil dogs. Or Vaatu. Or Wan's friend. Or the dragon.

I understand where you're coming from, but you're full of shit.

>>88536652
>The problem is they're born that way, it's not achieved through effort.
The avatar's accomplishments are always achieved through effort, it's why every single Avatar (barring Korra) had to scour the world to learn the elements and spirituality first, but Korra simply needed to experience any new power just once before practically mastering it - compare the literal monk Aang and run-of-the-mill Korra's learning of the avatar state.

As for what makes them special, the answer was always that they're reincarnated:
>"The Avatar State is a defense mechanism, designed to empower you with the skills and knowledge of all the past Avatars. The glow is the combination of all your past lives, focusing their energy through your body" - Roku in S2E01.

As for why specifically the Avatar has reincarnations, aside from being special as the protagonist of a story, it's the same simple reincarnation and not "grand magical spirit" way that each Dalai Lama is supposedly reincarnted. To my knowledge, the Dalai Lama is
>an incarnation of Avalokiteśvara
>which is a Bodhisattva
>which is anyone who, motivated by great compassion, has generated bodhicitta
>which is an "enlightenment-mind"
Ergo the Dalai Lama is simply an incarnation of previous humans who reached enlightenment, not some spirit-god resting in their bodies.
The answer always comes to reincarnation, and the specifics/mechanism of reincarnation never needed to be detailed to accept the Avatar/Dalai Lama and their roles.

Besides, A dead Roku would have been in contact with Raava in order to be a past-life capable of talking to future Avatars. The fact that he never mentioned Raava to Aang in TLA (but suddenly past Avatars could inform Korra of Raava in Lok) is simply becuase LoK was a massive retcon, and once again a sad attempt at one-upping TLA. Nobody was asking for the detailed mechanism of reincarnation. It is just a device that rolls the actual important plot forward without breaking the world's own rules.

>>88538287
Are you serious? With all the retarded stuff like going to see Iroh having dinner with a bunch of wacky creatures, the stupid rabbit spirits, the other spirits we saw cross over just goofing around and even the scene with Zaheer in the spirit world where it's shown as some brightly lit vista with giant bright green plants, it just wasn't the same place it was as shown in TLA. Just having a few elements that felt like they could have been in the original show (and not that any you listed were) doesn't make it feel like the place it originally was, if anything it's more jarring given how the rest of it was turned into such a kiddy fun zone.

Also, Vaatu was such an embarrassingly childish "ultimate evil!!!!" character that felt so out of place that they don't even deserve to be in the show at all. Same for Rava. The spirit world was shown to be just neutral before and now there is some stupid good/evil dichotomy running through it. What a load of shit.