Dunno if I'm just too late or something, but I don'

It was fun and pretty but it felt like it was missing something. I liked moana she felt human from how she reacted to everything and I'm sure people appreciate that she had no love interest and cared about her people.

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>>88501413
She really should have been the deuteragonist, the movie probably would have felt much more fluid if we were following the banished demigod from the start.

Moana herself was pretty refreshing in not having to overcome the stagnant 'male villagers oppressing me' kind of story, but she felt pretty boring as a character

>>88501413
I haven't seen it, myself. but I got the impression from osmosis that it doesn't really have any "heart". Like, it was an engineered Disney Princess movie instead of something made with real art.

>>88501646
>it was an engineered Disney Princess movie

I don't know, I think if it were an engineered movie they would've had a traditional plot line with a romantic duo instead of a platonic one.

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>>88501371
>Bowie crab gets like 5 minutes of screentime

>>88501413
>It was fun and pretty but it felt like it was missing something
>>88501646
>it doesn't really have any "heart"

I felt like the core of the movie is very solid - Moana, her quest, the world, everyone's motivations, the musical sequences, etc.

It's the little things that drag it down from being perfect

>Not one but two silly animal sidekicks, one of which is a bait-and-switch for toys and disappears for most of the movie
>Dialog is a bit too "hip and modern" at times (twitter joke)
>Too many meta jokes about the disney princess formula (definition of princess, pointing out the singing in normal dialog
>Bad autotune credits

Overall much better than Frozen, but not quite as good as Tangled.

>>88501371
there was a lot of talk about it for a week or two

but it apparently didn't appeal enough to the waifufags to keep discussion going past "boy this sure was good huh"

i think the movie would have been better with a better central antagonist. the demon gets foreshadowed a little bit, but the journey and most of the movie doesn't feel like they're fighting anything big or important. i mean the flight of the concords crab was my favorite part of the movie, imagine if the final boss was similar

Dwayne johnson did better than i thought he would at voice acting. He and Moanas VA had good chemistry.

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>>88501961
The crab needs more love.

CONSIDER

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can we all agree that maui is cute? he's cute!!

anuddah breddy gud didney flick

>>88501961
Quality over quantity, Anon.

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>>88501961
Here. Have a little crab snippet from the book.

>>88503356
>being so ugly that your mother tries to murder you
>cute

>>88501371
>good music
>good visuals
>okay characters
>terrible plot, story, and pacing
>nothing extraordinary that would have a lasting effect on an audience

Not a lot to discuss. Movie was bland.

>>88504092
i-if his mother never got to witness his overwhelming cuteness, then that's her loss.
;_;

Basically, yeah, it was a bland movie. Not terrible but not very captivating.

The opening song also really bothers me, but I can't really put why into words.

>>88503555

> that feel when it's actually pretty solid advice

>>88504993
>crab is supposed to be an enemy
>crab has the most solid idea of self-identity in a story about accepting yourself

Fucking dumb story

>ITT: its bad bad, but idk why

its Disney so it must be bad? r-right?

>>88505192
It's bad because the plot was garbage. The first act was over a third of the movie. The plot was revealed within the first few minutes without a single twist. The characters were predictable and the ending was predictable and there was no emotional investment in the journey as the main characters never really suffered and Moana was a complete character before she started her journey.

Better?

>>88505379
>plot follows 3 act structure
>first act takes up a third of the movie
wow

>>88501371
it has more plot holes than swiss cheese, but aesthetically speaking it is amazing.

>>88501646

It lacked believable conflict. None of the characters were ever in any real danger and everything wrapped up a little too neatly in the end.

>>88502016
>Not one but two silly animal sidekicks, one of which is a bait-and-switch for toys and disappears for most of the movie
This made me unreasonably mad, which is a shame because I really liked this movie. That fucking pig got an insane amount on marketing and trailer time, and ended up doing fuck-all in the movie. Olaf was blatant toy-bait too, but at least he DID shit

>>88506135
the plot, and the animals' role in it, were changed after toy designs were in and production started

hence why toy Hei Hei looks like a pissed off cunt and not a retard

>>88506167
Source? I believe you, I just wanna read the rationale

>>88501646
I suppose I can agree it lacks an engaging emotional experience.
But engineered is a bit too cynical.
Cars 2 was 'engineered'

>>88506204
here's an interview about the change to Hei Hei's character, I'll see if I can dig up something about the pig getting cut down

>>88506290
missing a link lel

>>88506290
aaaaand I forgot the link
http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1590280/the-hilarious-character-moana-almost-cut-and-why

>>88506329
thx m8

>>88501371
choppy plot but fun.
Not a great title but they have made worse.

>Western Polynesia—the islands closest to Australia and New Guinea—were colonized around 3,500 years ago. But the islands of Central and Eastern Polynesia were not settled until 1,500 to 500 years ago. This means that after arriving in Fiji, Samoa and Tonga, Polynesians took a break—for almost 2,000 years—before voyaging forth again.

>Then when they did start again, they did so with a vengeance: archaeological evidence suggests that within a century or so after venturing forth, Polynesians discovered and settled nearly every inhabitable island in the central and eastern Pacific.

>Nobody knows the reason for The Long Pause, or why the Polynesians started voyaging again.

If people knew the history Moana is suppose to act as a filler, would it change the perception?

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>>88501371
about sums it up.

>>88506634
whats the sauce on that green?

>>88506837
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/how-story-moana-and-maui-holds-against-cultural-truths-180961258/

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>>88506913
good lookin out my melanin brethren

>>88506634

Probably not. A movie should be judged on its own merits.

>>88503555
that passage is horny as fuck desu

>"old friend"

>tfw we will never learn more about maui and tamatoa's past friendship/vague camaraderie

So was Ta Ka actually being Tefiti in the original legend they based the movie on or something ? I thought it was super dumb that Maui introduced the character as Ta Ka and the twist was that he didn't know what he was talking about . Kinda lame ending. 'How Far I'll Go ' is a based song however

if maui is the one who "awakened" te ka and was immediately smote out of the sky afterward, not to be heard from for 1000 years

how likely is it that gramma tala would also know the name although i suppose "te ka" is a super literal name so it wouldn't be too impossible, and how would this legend even be spread in the first place

>>88507542
Spread of word probably. Monsters attacked sailors and since monsters can talk, maybe humans heard the story from them.

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Would the movie have been better with the genders flipped?

>>88507464
Like Jekyll and Hyde. Same person but the story treats them different.

>>88507659
>Losing the Bowie crab

No.

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>At one point in the story development, Moana had 9 older brothers, who sailed off leaving Moana behind, and who Moana eventually had to rescue!

Bro No.1 = The leader, most like his father.

Bro No.2 = The warrior.

Bro No.3 = The artist and dreamer, and who Moana feels closest to.

>>88508256
Third bro a cute.

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>>88508256
Bro No.4 = The easygoing lovable big guy.

Bro No.5 & 6 = Twins who were amazing at rowing in synchronicity.

Bro No.7 = The lady’s man who was a great dancer.

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>>88508280
Bro No.8 = The annoying loud one.

Bro No.9 = The aloof weird one.

And Moana’s the 10th child of the chieftain, and the first daughter.

>>88508256
>>88508299
>>88508280

Lost husbando opportunities.

>>88508256
>>88508280
>>88508299
Nine boys, one girl; wouldn't trade it for the world.

>>88508256

I wonder if they cut them to save on modeling/animation costs.

>>88508396
Maybe.

Now that I think about it, was there a previous Disney movie with a bunch (More than 4) of main human characters that aren't generic background fodder?

>>88508396
>save on costs
nah, it's disney. chances are that they got cut because it made the story too complicated or they couldn't do something interesting with them.

>>88501371

I liked the Crabs Song

>patrician tier
I Am Moana (Song of the Ancestors)
Where You Are
Know Who You Are

>normie tier
You're Welcome
Shiny

>plebeian tier
How Far I'll Go
We Know the Way

One sister having this many brothers reminds me of the The Six Swans story. That would make a neat movie.

>>88508256

>be village chieftain
>lost your friend due to boating accident
>9 of your children missing in action
>grandma actively encouraging your daughter to meet her brothers' fates

would have been too dark for Disney

>>88508450
>nah, it's disney.

Did you forget how they intentionally designed Anna and Elsa to have braids so their hair would be easier to animate?

>>88503555
was this in the movie?

>>88508593
In music form.

>>88508580
Moana's brothers died so that her hair might live

fair trade

>>88508567
gramma still used her own death as a distraction so moana could sneak away

gramma tala was a team player

>>88508396
>>88508430

https://vimeo.com/194029593

that is correct. animators spend so much time fixing Zootopia they had no time to polish Moana, and we got unintentional "cameos" from Frozen and Zoo in Moana.

>>88508530
>Not ranking We Know the Way at the top
Someone needs to wayfind their way to good taste.

>>88508661
We Know the Way would be a lot better if LMM wasn't singing it

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>>88508653
>The creepy mask monster is really Flash with a mask from Zootopia.
>Snow monster from Frozen roaming in the background of the monster world.

>>88508653
>>88508723

That's pretty funny desu.

>>88507435
I'll never not be butthurt about all the shipping we were denied because he's a crab rather than humanoid.

>>88507435
>maui and tamatoa's past friendship/vague camaraderie

i think it's more like frenemies. Maui did rip off one of Tama's legs afterall. and then.. tama started modeling himself after maui I guess? He has that line in the song about how he decided to bling himself out after seeing Maui's tats.

Kind of a love hate relationship.

>>88509576
yeah, the gods don't give people tattoos for ripping off their friend's leg.

>>88508256
>>88508280
>>88508299
>IN THE LOUD HOUSE

>>88509256

more like a sign they dont give a fuck anymore.

>>88502342
They needed a scene where they saw a dead island. Something to drive home how bad Maui screwed up and to put the pressure on Moana.

>>88505461
I don't think you understand the way 3-act structure is supposed to work. The longest act should be the second act, especially in a "hero's journey" type story.

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>>88505461
>>88512805
Maybe this visual will help you

>>88505379
Are you sure you watched the movie? Moana was NEVER sure about what she was doing until she dove into the climax. And Maui was surprisingly well done. The actions and developments were all believable, and claiming the ending was expected is a bit bullshit.

>>88513039
>and claiming the ending was expected is a bit bullshit.
This you first movie? The only unexpected thing was Maui coming back with no explanation.

>>88510698
Yeah, old disney NEVER had cameos! Scar wasn't in Hercules! Belle wasn't in Hunchback! Aladdin didn't have goofy hats and Sebastion the crab, among other cameos!

>>88513080
And here we go again. "Lol, totally saw it coming even though I have no explanation and it wasn't hinted at before!" Get out of here with your post-rational bullshit.

>>88513177
>Belle wasn't in Hunchback! Aladdin didn't have goofy hats and Sebastion the crab, among other cameos!
When were these two? That's kinda cool

>>88513254
The video is super cringe, but here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FgCjT2xk4I

>>88504741
opening song....CONSIDER THE COCONUT?

>>88505379
>without a single twist

I KNOW YOUR NAME

>>88506634
makes me wonder....any interesting happenings on the other side of the world/Mediterranean/Americas/China/Egypt from 3500BC to 1500BC?

Were they affected by the theft of the heart as well?

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>>88504993
"Love yourself" is a lesson for fat tumblrtards. Self-acceptance is a moral. Self-love is vanity. You can always do better.

>>88508696
all of the songs would be a lot better if LMM weren't writing them

>>88514290

I don't know, saying you can't love yourself if you're ugly is kind of anti-tumblr.

>>88514290
No, "love yourself and claim everyone else is just bullying you if they think you are ugly/unhealthy" is a lesson for fat tumblrtards. If you're cool with being fat, that's fine, just don't act like it isn't fair that people think you're fat and ugly for being fat.

>>88513210
What the fuck kind of argument is this?

Sorry that I know storytelling better than you do, and that this movie was Disney Checkboxes 101.

>>88514211
That wasn't a twist. The fact that there was no backstory or explanation about Te Ka made it pretty obvious.

>>88514290
>crab considered himself ugly
>crab worked hard collecting shiny shit to make himself look better
>crab knows he looks amazing now because he worked hard and loves himself for how great he looks
>"NO, KIDS, THIS IS THE BAD MORAL!"

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>>88501535
I think I get what they were going for with her character, in that, while she did not possess any actual technical ability that would help her succeed in this quest, the point of her being the one to go on it was so that she could learn what she would need to kick start the explorer revolution for her people when she eventually returned.

She didn't really have any crippling personal problems; she just needed something to happen for her. And I liked how her home and people weren't being depicted as holding her back, and that her inability to pursue her dream was simply because the times and circumstances weren't right. I mean, how many people in the past have been held back from achieving their dreams because the technology and knowledge around them wasn't up to snuff?

But yeah, she seemed more like a vehicle for these ideas and values rather than a character of her own. That said, I thought she was alright the way she was done. Like, that last scene with her having to be comforted by her grandma in her moment of doubt? I know some guys here complained about how simply that problem was resolved, but as she went on this journey knowing that she didn't really have any qualifications that justified her taking on the task, giving her a moment's reprieve to reconsider whether she really wanted to keep going or not was the best way to resolve that issue.

See pic related and the story it's from. I'd say the message here is about the same, just not as poignant since, unlike pic related, Moana really wasn't much of a failure as a person herself nor was her own ineptitude for the task at hand ever really highlighted beyond her first voyage to find Maui.

>>88503555
>>88504993
>>88514290
>>88514653
I mean, the good part of the advice is 'taking care of yourself' and 'become something you can be proud of'. It's only really bad when you take it to an extreme, but you can say the same thing about anything else.

>>88514634
Except that it was indicated Te Ka was just another monster after the Heart like everyone else.

>>88514620
>still hasn't explained how there was any indication of the twist
>"lol, I just know!"
Damn, this is getting sad. Bet you totally saw the twist in the Sixth Sense coming a mile away, you clairvoyant you.

>>88514840
Oh you got me there
Good Strawman.

See I can argue as retardedly as you do

>>88514873
You proved you can't argue several posts ago when you didn't explain anything you said, junior.

>>88514791
Tamatoa is extreme narcissism.

>>88508450
being easier to animate and being cheaper are two different aspects

>>88506913
"Culturally indistinct soundtrack".

This! The movie was bland in every aspect. Not a bad movie, just.. just underwhelming. Like I could see this on TV in 6 months.

>>88515401

I don't see how a "culturally indistinct soundtrack" is an issue here. Aladdin barely had any cultural aspects to the music but is praised as one of the greatest Disney musicals of all time.

I think the problem is that the soundtrack just isn't very good.

>>88514886
That the movie was predictable? Sorry I know storytelling and how Disney movies work. Sorry everyone who has reviewed this movie agrees. Sorry it doesn't agree with you.

>>88506913
>As my Native Hawaiian friend Trisha Kehaulani Watson-Sproat says, “Our men are better, more beautiful, stronger and more confident. As much as I felt great pride in the Moana character; as the mom of a Hawaiian boy, the Maui character left me feeling very hurt and sad. This is not a movie I would want him to see. This Maui character is not one I would want him to watch and think is culturally appropriate or a character he should want to be like.”
God forbid every character not be a perfect, chiseled human spectacle with 0 flaws or idiosyncrasies. What a crock of shit, who listens to these people?

>>88515496
>STILL hasn't explained what made him draw his conclusion
>now calling out to the mythical "everyone" who agrees with him
This is starting to get entertaining.

>>88515509
The SJW movement has made actual characterization a bad thing. They don't want to see characters with any sort of physical or mental flaw, they only want ideal characters that their children can look up to.

They don't even realize the effect their shitty demands are having on actual decent storytelling. Moana would have been a more relateable character if she had some major flaw, but she was pretty capable throughout the entire movie because she was the perfect Disney anti-princess!

>>88515495
>Where You Are
>You're Welcome
>Shiny
>We Know the Way
>not very good
This board is garbage. If it is new, it MUST be bad! Not at all like muh childhood movies!

>>88515530
Dude, go watch some youtube reviews. I'm sorry that you need your shit spoonfed. Go watch the Nostalgia Critic's review. He's pretty spot on in pointing out how formulaic the movie is. And that's why the ending was predictable - this movie was 100% formula. And that's also why it's unmemorable and why no one is talking about it a month after its release.

>>88506913
Wow, what awful people. Did the French cry this much about Beauty and the Beast or HoND? Did Americans get upset about Oliver and Company or Dumbo?

>>88515578
>pretending that you have to be a nostalgiafag to think the music isn't good

Only two of those songs are even acceptable tier. Lin-Manuel also majorly annoyed me with the way he inserted his vocals into the movie.

>>88515656
I'm done paying attention to you until you learn to explain your shit.

>Nostalgia Critic
loving every laugh

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>>88515699
I don't even know what you want an explanation for anymore.

lrn2storytelling

>>88515681
>Only two of those songs are even acceptable tier
No, you just have laughably bad taste in music.

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>>88503356
I agree. Maui is a total beefcake.

>>88515986
>look at behind the scenes shit for Moana
>The Rock's biceps are bigger than his goddamn head
Guy must pay a fuck ton to get suits tailored

>>88515672

French people have their own culture and accomplishments so their entire identity doesn't hinge on one movie.

>>88515672
Take it with a grain of salt.

>Native Hawaiian: Our men are better, more beautiful, stronger and more confident

Moana isn't Hawaiian. It's more Samoa. Second, Maui is consider ugly in some island lore. Even down right morally horrible to his wife.

Thirdly, Hawaiians are racist as fuck towards Americans.

>>88501371
5/10

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>>88503356
agreed, maui can absolutely get it

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>>88516568
I want to get hugged by Maui's gigantic ham hands

>>88516739
>filename
why do you have to hurt me like this

I enjoyed it a lot but it's probably not among the top tier Disney.

Loved The Rocks song, easily the best in the film (which wasn't something I expected).

The film is really beautiful at times

I get a kick out of exploring mythology.

Main problems:

The big "we need another let it go!" number is a bit too grandiose for how early it occurs in the story, doesn't feel like it's earnt the 'epic-ness' (for lack of a better term) and it comes off as shouty.

Character growth is too sudden when it happens. Moana is able to be more agile and athletic than a demi-god when meeting the coconut things despite the film not really showing that she can really do that. Maui relearns the hook in 30 seconds, Moana learns to sail in 30 seconds. Could have done with a more practical scene showing them fucking up then getting the hang of it rather than really brief montages.

The whole 'cool/badass grandma' thing is a weird cliche that's become really popular in animations, felt like having her show up as a human ghost again undermined her part in the story.

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>>88506167

That's fairly interesting. Most of the toys have darker skin tones than the art too, wonder if that's to avoid "racist toymakers made them more white!!!!!11" accusations. I did see a Maui plush with a weird black face too.

>>88518622
This is why I wish that the first act was shorter. Cut out the sea turtle shit. Cut right to the song. There was too much establishment and not enough story, to the point where you lost investment in the characters pretty quick since they were all becoming able and capable in no time at all, and with little to no associated story to back up their efforts.

>>88518622
>The whole 'cool/badass grandma' thing

>"I'm the village crazy lady."
No. Show, don't tell.

>>88518622
I liked 'how far I'll go' a lot more than let it go. But I think I would've like to see 'more' from the outtakes songs in the movie instead. I like how her comeback song 'i am moana' takes melodies and some lyrics from 'how far I'll go', which is why I like it more than 'let it go'.

I like it more than Frozen because Moana is cuter than Elsa

>>88518622
Yeah also she was bullshit agile when she knocked over that statue and climbed up the wall to escape the cave.

As far as the grandma being a cliché, I agree. But I don't think her coming back in human form was out of place, or draining on the the impact of her death. The world seems to be pretty spiritual, and she says herself that there's nowhere that she won't be with moana. Different suspensions of disbelief I suppose.

>>88507659
Reeee Maui can't be female

>>88518857
Seconded

>>88503356
>>88516568
agree. /co/ needs to learn2bara

>>88518887
yeah she foreshadowed her own death like it wasn't a big thing (and it wasn't. she was basically present through the whole story just like she said she would be.) i just dont think people are used to seeing death treated in any other way than a total tragic loss in a narrative like this. It was pretty fucking weird how she seemed perfectly healthy in that one but kicks the bucket a few hours later

>>88513254
The Magic Carpet was also in The Princess and the Frog
And Goofy is in the Little Mermaid

>tfw not enough people here waifu moana to draw lewds
>tfw tumblr is too scared of getting lynched for pedophilia to draw lewds

why live

>>88518900
Why not? Seems like a simple enough shift.

>>88501646
>"""lacks heart"""
It had way more heart than either Frozen or Tangled

>>88501371
I have almost no desire to watch this movie, seems like it'd be too formulaic for me.

The Ocean should not have been a character in the movie. It put a lot of holes in it when you remember that the ocean is literally a sentient being.

Why did the ocean wreck Moanas first trip outside the reef?
If the ocean is powerful enough to part itself was Moana actually in danger during the storm?
Similarly, anytime there was any danger was the ocean just going to watch it happen?

>>88501371
Thanks for the "opinion" Mr. D*sney intern.

>>88523368
agree. took all the risk out of it knowing that the ocean could save the day at literally any moment.

completely renders the scene where moana gets wrecked her first night on the water meaningless.

>>88501371
one of my favorite movies of the year and my favorite disney movie (excluding pixar) since b&theB

>>88518622
>despite the film not really showing that she can really do that
did you miss the fuckin gymnastics she did to get down from the roof near the start