>mfw Tony Stark died and literally no one cared Is Marvel

>>88497229
We laughed because it was spoiled in another book and the real event has yet to be released. We dont care because A: current Marvel is shit and B: he'll be back within a year. Remember this is the same publisher that revived Doc Samson with "I got better"

>>88497229
No one cares because who the fuck cares about Tony Stark besides a handful of MCUfags that don't even read comics in the first place?

>>88497311
I liked Tony Stark during the (Pun not intended) Iron Age comic books like the one in the OP

Nobody cares about comic Tony Stark.

>>88497311
This. Liking Iron Man is like liking Pikachu or Goku over their respective casts. Sure they're cool characters but if they're truly your favorite then you must not have dabbled too much into their series. So yeah MCUfags

Also capeshit comic deaths mean nothing.

>>88497311
>>88497362

MCUfag here, Cap is my favorite

>>88497311
>>88497362
I think Tony works best as a side/supporting character there to just build shit for other people and the occasional armor fight. His villains are shit and the only real interesting story you can do with him is his origin and his alcoholism.

>>88497362
>Putting Goku in that category

If we're tossing out Buu and Super (Cell was the end god dammit), he's one of the best characters in the series. His naive nature paired with an almost genius understanding of his surroundings always made him great. It wasn't until recent that Goku became retarded.

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>>88497229

people stopped caring completely about deaths in marvel comics because everyone knows for a fact that everyone returns within a year or less.

Tony died? who cares, just put someone else as Iron Man and when the sales start going down because the initial hype is disappearing bring him back... repeat formula for every character.

>>88497229
Tony Stark died? Huh.

>>88497311
This, really.

>>88497465
Shhhhhh. Shhhh. Shut up now. Nobody fucking cares.

>>88497865
Well, technically not yet. He's going to die in CWII #8, but we've had a dozen other books set after CWII say that he's dead so there ya' go. Feel free to pretend to care.

It's funny how Marvel cancelled Superior Iron Man so Bendis could take over and he proceeded to drive the book into the ground.

Who cares if cape characters die? They'll just come back eventually anyway.

Side note, the Silver Centurion armor is by far the best Iron Man suit

>>88499535
So you think Marvel is noticing the pattern yet?

>>88497229
he's not dead, he just lost his body and needs to grow a new one to stick his mind in.

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>>88499573
Look how aesthetic this is. Also objectively the best name of any Iron Man armor

>>88499577
Pft, fuck no. They'll give their strong independent black womyn another relaunch before they bring Stark back.

>>88499605
>arms have muscle
>no neck
>the "underwear" on the outside look
5/10 best I can do

>>88497311
>>88497362

Iron Man has been one of, if not the, favorite characters since the early '80's.

Cap is probably my favorite MCU guy.

>>88500416
>Iron Man has been one of, if not the, favorite characters since the early '80's.
Maybe if you're over 50. Get with the times gramps.

>>88497229
how did he die? and no, I don't really care

>>88497229
Hulk died in Civil War II and no one cared. That's how bad it is.

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>>88503182
He tried to take on MurderCarol.

>>88504024
wtf I love Carol now!

>>88503792
There was a small fuss but mainly because how stupid his death was. No one really cares about these characters.
Cyclops also died which doesn't really worry anyone.

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>>88504607
yaas queen

>>88497229
Well when I heard a black teenage girl was going to b the new iron man & was suppose to b smarter than Tony I knew his death was coming

Why did Carol go from Ms. Marvel to Captain Marvel?

I hear she's gone all Minority Report on everyone?

>>88506470
>a black teenage girl was going to b the new iron man
No, the black teenager is "Ironheart." The new Iron Man is Victor Von Doom.

>>88506713
>Why did Carol go from Ms. Marvel to Captain Marvel?
Branding.

>>88506713
Because she was Captain Marvel in Earth-X and all roads lead to Earth-X.

>>88505876

gawd, I want to bend her over and just jam my dick in her ass and cream all over her bowels.

>>88506748
Still giving the middle finger to DC then?

>>88506749
Is Earth-X a good or bad place? Do they even do 616 anymore? I am a little behind as you might guess.

>>88506774
We're all impressed with your vitality anon but take it to pornhub buddy.

>>88497229
They killed Hulk months ago and it had the same reaction
Death means shit anymore

>>88506813
If you didn't read Earth X so far, you should. It's entertaining read, if little bleak.
>most of Avengers dead and rebuilt by Tony into Iron robot versions
>le Terrigen mutated everyone so they're not afraid of Inhumans
>Storm marries T'challa who mutated and became pantherman
>Iceman went to live on South Pole
>Angel is poorfag
>Daredevil is ded
>Sue and Johnny ded
>Doom ded
>Colossus is Tzar of ALL RUSSIA
>Sunfire is Emprah of Japan
>Cap Britain is king of, you guess, Britain
>Havok and Polaris went to space with Corsair
>Rightclops got new kids to train
>really shitty recruits, aside from one, iirc
>Wong has two heads or somesuch
>Doc Strange ded
>Cap is oldfag
>it's revealed that Galactus is killing planets because otherwise there'd be too many Celestials

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>>88497229
Can't mourn about Tony.
Must focus on Thor getting worthy again.

>>88497229
I stopped caring the moment Bendis took over. He doesn't get or care about characters, isn't interested in organic storylines, has no feeling for pacing and gives a shit about continuity. Caring about a book while Bendis writes? No Sir, this will only lead to pain.

>>88507736
...and you spoilered some mayor story points...

So Civil War II is bad like it's predecessor?

>>88506813
Earth-X is not 616 and not canon. It's nearly a post-apocalypse setting. The world's economy crumbled, everybody but Tony Stark is a mutant Actually they're mutated by Terrigen Mists, animals became sentient(stripping most people of yet another food source) and a new telepathic Red Skull threatens to take over ther world...

I think of Earth-X (combined with Universe-X and Paradise-X) as attempted to "wrap up" all of Marvel. It's the story to end all stories. It's good for one or two moments of mindfucking paradigm shifts It's all the Celestials fault but aplying these to the canon would make the MU a lot less interesting in the long run.

>>88509765
Like I care.
>>88509871
Worse. And tie-ins are shitty.

>>88509923
Earth-X may not be canon, but it currently has some bits currently "modern", ranging from telepathic Red Skull to Female Thor, Terrigen Mists mutating major parts of the population...

>>88509923
>but applying these to the canon would make the MU a lot less interesting in the long run.
tell that to the writers who keep applying E-X plot points to 616

>>88497229

I CARED.

And it is... in a very tiny way. There are still some things worthwhile about it... the only thing that springs to mind right now is Ms.Marvel.

Once they have ruined her, it'll basically be 100% crap.

>>88509934
>Like I care.
Normally I would be with you. The book is old as fuck, after all. It's just that some of these points were the "whoa"-Moments that made the book worth reading in the first place. Without these Moments it's not worth reading at all.

why would i care that a superhero died?

they'll be back within a year.

>>88509934
>Worse. And tie-ins are shitty.
Why even attempt another Civil War?
Christ.

>>88497311
>>88497332
>>88497362

Fuck you.

>>88499348

Funny thing: Obviously I pay extra attention, and it is not stated anywhere that he's dead.

>>88509741

I wish I had told myself that before this mess started.

>>88497300
>current Marvel is shit
Is it really?

Nobody cares when a comic book character dies because we all know they'll be revived sometime. You must be new to this; just Google any character you can think of and you'll probably get at least one death, maybe even multiple deaths.

>>88509996
>Why even attempt another Civil War?

Because of the movie.

>>88510023
That wasn't a wise decision.

The only good thing about CWII is the reveal that Cap Hydra is orchestrating a lot of it. And that's mostly Spencer.

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>>88509957
I think, even if some developments in 616 look like Earth-X they don't have the same rammfications.

Gods? Just aliens, crippled by the Celestials. The Devil? Just an early human, abused/crippled by the Celestials. Multiverse? A result of Celestials manipulating the "Devil" . Normal Humans? Just what's left of humanity after evolution got crippled/redirected by the Celestials. Super Powers of all sorts? All just a result of humanity being crippled by the Celestials and a response to external threaths to the hatching celesital under Earth's core. Death and Disease? All just, thanks to the Celestials crippling humanity.

This gets tirering really really fast and IMHO deprives the MU of it's wonder.

>>88510011

Shit might be talking a little highly of Marvel but the general gist of it is that Marvel really isn't very good at all.

>>88510013

Yeah, but there are deaths and there are deaths.

Tony himself has died... let's see now... I guess he technically died four times before now, five if you count the time he erased his own mind. Which counts in my book.
The first time he died of degenerative nerve damage after more than a year of run-up. He got revived after it was revealed he was cryonically frozen and they found a way to turn the thing that was killing him into his salvation, plus a pretty cool plot device.
Second time he was killed in the Crossing. Replaced by Teen Tony.
Third time he died fighting Onslaught. Was sent to the Heroes Reborn universe and reborn.
Fourth time, deleted his own mind during Dark Reign. Mind was mostly backed-up on a hard drive.
Fifth time, died during the Ultimate Universe attack right before Secret Wars. Revived by the power of Franklin Richards.

...I wonder what will happen now. And I wonder what will become of Riri Williams.

Bendis won't allow anyone to do interesting things with her, of course, so she'll probably be shipped off to some think tank once he leaves and never heard from again until ten years down the line when she is a throwaway professor character somewhere.

>>88510011
More like medicore and sufferable

>>88510100

In a sense, it was the capping stone of the Dork Age. Kind of like a counterpart to 'Kingdom Come', an ultimate settlement of "Oh, you want dark and edgy? Here is where that ends up."

>>88510130
>medicore

That sounds like a euphemism for hospital porn.

>>88510137
Ruins is edgier. Oh boy, is it.

Haven't been reading CW but when did Stark die?, which issue?.

>>88510186
Next issue.

>>88497229
Nobody cares because every fucking superhero or villain has been dead at some time of his history and then came back.
Death doesn't mean shit in cape comics and even the cape fandom finally realized it.

>>88510130
Any titles that come to mind?

>Cyclops
>Wolverine
>The Hulk
>Iron Man

Do you think major news outlets finally got sick of publishing Marvel's press releases? We've got four A-list character deaths in two years and none of them got a USA Today feature or anything. I still remember when the media covered Captain America's death immediately after Civil War.

Captain Hydra is probably the biggest story in terms of news coverage, overshadowing all the deaths.

>>88510247
Hell, just look at Jason Todd, he's Red Hood now.

>>88497638
That's all comics senpai. Nobody is immune

>>88510260
>Bucky
>Jason
>Uncle Ben
Do it, Slott! Uncle Ben's masketta adventures now!

So you don't read the comics but somehow you think your opinion on tony's death is relevant? We havent seen him die yet, thats why nobody cares.

>>88510162

'Ruins' was just Ellis' parody of 'Marvels'.

>>88510186

Last one, #8, which is not yet published. And, again, WE HAVE NO COMFIRMATION THAT HE IS DEAD, JUST OUT.

He may be in jail, in hospital, in a coma, in suspended animation, in hiding having faked his death, or in an iron lung.

>>88510275

Impossible. Uncle Ben being dead is one of the stipulations in Stan's contract with his almost-namesake.

>>88497300

I prefer "that trick doesn't work on X-men" as a cop-out to someone's ressurection

>>88510251
Awsome hulk, Ultimates, moon knight, usavengers, avengers, moon girl, nova, ghost rider, cage or power man and iron fist... All good books, non of them written by bendis. Dont believe /co/ marvel is not that mediocre. Not all of it at least.

>>88510251
Pretty much everything (OK, I can't comment on anything written by Bendis, I won't touch that with a 10 foot pole). Even Slott's Spiderman or Moongirl aren't as bad as /co/ makes them sound.

The only Marvel-Books I recently really liked were New Avengers (which should have been called something along the lines of "Next Wave of New Mutant Avengers", it was a mess, but such a wonderful mess...) and The Vision (because we saw Marvel actually trying something new with it).

>>88510011
You bet.

>>88510011
They have about 10 books you shouldn't even touch, and they tend to be the more prolific ones.

The stuff that flies under the radar tends to be okay to good.

>>88497465
>Tossing out Buu
>The arc where Goku finally actually showed signs of having grown up despite being dead for seven years because fuck you editorial if I have to use him he's not going to be a meme.

nigga u wat

>>88499577
The pattern of Bendis making money despite putting out bad books?

>>88497229

Because tony isn't Gay,PoC, or Trans, if this had happened to Moon Girl or Riri then buzzfeed and tumblr and all that other shit would throw an outrage

>>88511208
Any names to those few awful titles?

>>88511236

What the fuck is up with that, anyway? Does that really mean, as I fear, that it doesn't matter how shit the comic is, most buyers will get it anyway because it's a title they have heard of?

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>>88497229
>Tony Stark

>>88510125
>The first time he died of degenerative nerve damage after more than a year of run-up. He got revived after it was revealed he was cryonically frozen and they found a way to turn the thing that was killing him into his salvation, plus a pretty cool plot device.
Oh shit, I bought that run.

>>88510011
you can't trust /co/'s opinion when it comes to Marvel

>>88511284
/co/ likes to storytime or bitch about the worst of the worst. Stuff like Champions, Squirrel Girl, Venom, Slott's Spider-Man, Patsy Walker, most of Bendis' books like Irredeemable Iron Man and Miles Spider-Man, etc.

There's plenty of decent books that nobody pays attention to, sadly.

>>88497311
>I don't care about this thing so obviously nobody cares
That's pretty close to real autism.

>>88511690
It means people have heard of Brian Michael Bendis and therefore will buy his book because most comic buyers are risk adverse, have low standards, AND don't pirate the floppies first so they can make informed decisions about what's worth their dollar.

>>88511734

You fucking better well have, Kaminski's was the best Iron Man run.

>>88511776

I'd describe it as almost exactly autistic. And I AM an autist.

>>88511832
Let's be real: anyone who reads comics and actually knows shit at the very least has extremely benign Asperger's.

>>88509953
Red skull isn't a telepath in earth X.
That kid wasnt red skull

>>88510409
>moon girl
Here's your (You)

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>>88512005
>moon girl

>>88512005
It's good, man. It's fun and comfy in a way that most of Marvel's "kid focused" titles try and fail to be.

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>>88497229
Is Tony a Jew

I always get thiis Jew vibe from him

>>88511765
That is a shame. Bendis is that bad, huh? /co/ doesn't seem to like he/her.

>>88512653
Shit-tier bait

Why is it that /co/ is more inclined to complain about normie shit instead of discussing actual "good" comics? Half the threads I see about comics are just bitching/nitpicking something or the other

>>88511236
CW2's been doing pretty badly though (not even counting the part where it even poisoned a few other books)

>>88512864
Create thread to discuss actual "good" comics, then.

>>88511883

I'd put good money on that.

>>88511967

'Red Skull' is a title, not a name. He declared himself the Skull (Admittedly I don't remember if he called himself the Red Skull) and nobody managed to stop him until Cap finally did. If that's not enough to qualify I don't know what is.

>>88512428

I like to think so. But in my mind, the adoption angle has already been retconned -

Side note on the adoption thing: has any unfortunate besides myself read 'International Iron Man'? It's literally the worst I have ever seen. And I have seen everything relating to Iron Man.

- And his great-grandpa was called Isaac Stark, jr.

I dunno whether that means he's Jewish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stark_(surname)

>>88513477
Is Riri going to be another character who's hair changes depending on who's drawing her like Carol?

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>>88497229
Marvel makes the best movies. Even an unsuccessful Amazing Spiderman is still miles ahead of high-end budget films like Suicide Squad.

Their comics suck though. Too sjw, too much about crossovers and all encompassing events, DC does make better comics, but comics is a dying medium anyway. DC should focus on animated films which are still much more "comic bookish" than live-action and that's where they shine.

I still need to see Dr.Strange as I'm intrigued by how the game theorist said he's not eve doing magic so much as bending light and in essence being a super meta "magician".

>>88509765
>oh no, they spoiled a 15 year old comic

>>88513121
>Admittedly I don't remember if he called himself the Red Skull
not himself, but he wore a red version of he punisher logo, and when his dad and Steve caused him to remember everything in Paradise X his dad specifically said "You weren't his Bucky, you were his Red Skull"

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>>88497229
Cannot mourn him.Too busy watching Doctor Doom being suave as fuck.

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>>88513520

*whose, and I bet she is.

I want Riri with really short hair.

>>88513809

Thanks, anon.

I wonder if Tony will finally get to be on the winning side of a revenge issue when he comes back.

>>88514245

Ha! I would be very surprised at that. Tony Stark has not been presented as being unambiguously in the right for years.

>>88497229
nobody cares about Tony Stark, Iron Man doesnt have good stories, he is only a symbol of post 2000 shitty crossover events and movies.

>>88497229
No
But it's a trade-off
Marvel dominates live action and merchandise
DC still holds comics true and animations

>>88497229
>Tony Stark died and literally no one cared

He'll be back for his Movie.

>Is Marvel comics even relevant anymore?

As long as Marvel hires A+ List talent to lead their formulaic movies, they'll be fine.

How well BP & War Dyke performs at the Box Office remains to be seen...

>>88505875
>There was a small fuss but mainly because how stupid his death was.

There was but that it was so brief showed not many people really cared about this comic in comparison to most other major events. Sure it's been charting high, but I kind of wonder how much of that is actually selling. I guess the main book is still selling somehow (otherwise its estimated numbers would've been in the 90,000's months ago).

This can't really be good considering when they spoiled Death of Bruce Banner they were hoping for Death of Cap or Spider-Man unmasked levels of attention.

>>88516684
>How well BP & War Dyke performs at the Box Office remains to be seen...
They are MCU. They won't fail.

>>88514362
Tony might be the only superhero I can think of who constantly jobs even in his own book.

>>88511236
Except it's not true anymore.

The thing about Benis' patented brand of shit writing, is that it revolves around deaths, major events, and replacing heroes with shitty characters for no reason.

The thing is, shock value titles, much like shock value horror, is a cheap trick. As shown with the latter, prolonged exposure to shock eventually devalues it, to the point where it's no longer effective Couple this with comic's inability to change, like a saturday morning cartoon of yore, and there's no reason to care.

This is also true for events, if a big event is happening every few months, then they cease to be big events and simply become hum-drum happenings. You're used to it, like a store that continually has "crazy sales" they just aren't crazy anymore.

To prove this, the vene itself "civil war 2" was badly written, and tied into almost every book out at the time. As a result all sales across the board have tanked. So badly in fact that Marvel were shipping tons of bonus copies to stores, even if they hadn't ordered any, and effectively killing thier profits because of the deal they have with Diamond select.

Basicallly Bendis sucks so hard and so much, people have become over saturated with him, so they're no longer buying his junk.

>>88516801
>This can't really be good considering when they spoiled Death of Bruce Banner they were hoping for Death of Cap or Spider-Man unmasked levels of attention.
Uh...Hulk isn't nearly as popular as Cap or Spidey.

But he'll either come back or was never dead. Again again.

How about a Superior Iron Man with MODOK inside Tony's body?

Why would someone care about a silly old straight white male when they can have a proud black woman who's literally smarter than Tony, Banner, Doom and Reeves combined?

>>88520132
If this character is so smart will she acheive all the things that the others failed at like curing ben?

>>88520132
No one did, that's why Bendis had to kill off Warmachine and get rid of Pepper. Because they made up the two most important parts of her "character" .

>>88497229
When I started getting into comics everyone was making a big deal of how Captain America was dead and stopped being dead soon after. Dead is only a temporary setback if you are a popular character or if a writer forgot you died.

>>88516858
How'd Cisbusters 2016 do in that regard?

>>88499348
maybe marvel should wait unitl they have all the issues before starting events in future, they always fuck it all up with delays

>>88521766
Honestly this, it remains to be seen if black panther will be good or not.

If they continue along the path of BLACK PANTHER MUST BE BLACK DIRECTED, without actually having a good script or director, then it'll probably be one of the bigger marvel flops.

It's almost like the heads of disney are proxy directing because they're too afraid to put thier name on it.

As for Carol, nothing I've heard about the leaks have been good
>Scrapping Mar-vell completely
>Monica Rambeau is her sassy black roomate
>being pushed to beat the non-threat that is wonderwoman

It's not looking good at all, one of the few legacy characters they could do, and yet they don't. Meanwhile blackpanther's backstory was the only good part of Civil war, and it's basically done. No idea what the movie would even be about now since I don't think it'll be able to stand on it's own without the origin.

>>88521970
>BLACK PANTHER MUST BE BLACK DIRECTED
Which doesn't even make any sense because the character is African born and raised. The fuck does a born and raised American black guy have in common with him besides skin color?

>>88497229
>Bendis says back during the last relaunch/renumber post Secret Wars that they wanted Iron man to be the 616 flagship character, fully admitting MCU synergy is top priority at Marvel.
>He goes and kills him months after that in a half assed, rushed and rehashed MCU coattail riding event

Marvel really doesn't fucking know what to do with the comics.

>>88522051
There are African filmmakers. Likely to make an interesting result, accuracy be damned.

>>88522066
RDJ is stopping soon. There's your answer.

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>>88497362
Fuck off, Pikachu is MVP.

>>88522111
>There are African filmmakers
Yeah but the guy doing Black Panther isn't. He's just a black American.

>>88522320
This was an exercise in futility then.

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>>88497362
I liked Tony before the MCU

Armor Wars was my starting point with comics

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>>88510011

>>88497229
kek I already forgot he died.

Is he really dead?

And wasnt this a fake time displaced Tony Stark trained to appear like the real one?

Reminder that infinitely ongoing series written by different authors are cancer and always end in bs.

>>88500416
Yours maybe.

For the rest of the universe was Spider-man, Hulk and Wolverine. The big 3 before the MCU

>>88523386
Impossible to fucking tell with this horrible release cycle. I mean he's dead in one book, and AI in another, alive in others, it's terrible.

>>88513855
Is there a reading list for Doom post Secret Wars?