Harvard University's Suggested Film Viewing List: Animated

>>88399548

III. ANIMATED FILMS (INCOMPLETE)
The Hasher's Delirium (Emile Cohl, 1906, Fr)
Fantasmagoria (Emile Cohl, 1908, Fr)
The Dentures (Emile Cohl, 1909, Fr)
Gertie the Dinosaur (Winsor McCay, 1909, US)
Les Joyeux Microbes (Emile Cohl, 1909)
Revenge of a Kinematograph Cameraman (Ladislas Starewicz, 1912, Russia)
Gertie the Dinosaur (Winsor McCay, 1914, US)
The Sinking of the Lusitania (Winsor McCay, 1918, US)
Rhythm 21 (Hans Richter, 1921, Germany)
Steamboat Wille (Ub lwerks/Walt Disney, 1928, US)
Jack and the Beanstalk (Max and David Fleischer, 1931, US)
The Three Little Pigs (Walt Disney, 1933, US)
Night on Bald Mountain (Alexandre Alexeieff and Claire Parker, 1933)
Betty Boop’s Rise to Fame (Max Fleischer, 1934, US)
Colour Box (Len Lye, 1935, GB)
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (Walt Disney, 1937, US)
A Roadrunner cartoon (Chuck Jones, US)
A “Tom and Jerry” cartoon (Tex Avery, US)
A “Woody Woodpecker” cartoon (Walter Lanz, US)
Motion Painting No.1 ( Oskar Fischinger, 1947, US)
Begone Dull Care (Norman McLaren, 1949, Canada)

>>88399606

Neighbors (Norman McLaren, 1952, Canada)
Jazz Dance (Roger Tilton, 1954, USA)
A Man and His Dog Out for Air (Robert Breer, 1958, US)
The Fabulous Adventures of Jules Verne (Karel Zeman, 1958, Czech)
Colour Rhapsody (Mary Ellen Bute, 1958)
Moonbird (John and Faith Hubley, 1959, US)
Yantra (1960), Lapis (1966), Permutations (1967) (John and James Whitney, US)
Allures (Jordon Belsen, 1961, US)
The Flying Man (George Dunning, 1962, US)
The Hole (John Hubley, 1962, US)
Mothlight (Stan Brakhage, 1963, US)
Rhinoceros (Jan Lenica, 1963, Poland)
Love (Yoji Kuri, 1963, Japan)
Jeux des Anges (Walerian Borowczyk, 1964)
The Hand (Jiri Trnka, 1965, Czech)
Water and Power (Pat O’Neill, 1967, US)
Fritz the Cat (Ralph Bakshi, 1972, US)
Mirror People (Kathy Rose, 1974, US)
The Street (Caroline Leaf, 1976, Canada)
La Traversée de l’Atlantique à la Rame (Jean-Francois Laguionie, 1978, Fr)
Asparagus (Suzanne Pitt, 1978, US)

>>88399636

Tale of Tales (Yuri Norstein, 1979, USSR)
Tango (Zbig Rybczynski, 1981, Poland)
Dimensions of Dialogue (Jan Svankmajer, 1982, Czech)
L’Ange (Patrick Bokanowski, 1982, Fr)
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (Hayao Miyazaki, 1984, Japan)
Luxo Jr. (John Lasseter, 1986, US)
The Street of Crocodiles (Brothers Quay, 1986, GB)
The Dante Quartet (Stan Brackage, 1987, US)
Steps (Zbig Rybczynski, 1987, Poland)
Early Abstractions (Harry Smith, 1987, US)
Feet of Song (Erika Russell, 1988, GB)
My Neighbor Totoro (Hayao Miyazaki, 1988, Japan)
Alternative Fringe (Candy Guard, 1988, GB)
The Public Voice (Leif Marcussen, 1989, Den)
Repete (Mikaela Pavlatova, 1995, Czech)
Princess Mononoke (Hayao Miyazaki, 1999, Japan)

>not a single Disney feature film
really?

>>88399737
>Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (Walt Disney, 1937, US)
Also, it's mostly shorts.

>>88399606

>The Hasher's Delirium (Emile Cohl, 1906, Fr)
>Gertie the Dinosaur (Winsor McCay, 1909, US)
>Steamboat Wille (Ub lwerks/Walt Disney, 1928, US)
>The Three Little Pigs (Walt Disney, 1933, US)
>Night on Bald Mountain (Alexandre Alexeieff and Claire Parker, 1933)
>Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (Walt Disney, 1937, US)
>A Roadrunner cartoon (Chuck Jones, US)
>A “Tom and Jerry” cartoon (Tex Avery, US)
>A “Woody Woodpecker” cartoon (Walter Lanz, US)
>Fritz the Cat (Ralph Bakshi, 1972, US)
>Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (Hayao Miyazaki, 1984, Japan)
>Luxo Jr. (John Lasseter, 1986, US)
>My Neighbor Totoro (Hayao Miyazaki, 1988, Japan)
>Princess Mononoke (Hayao Miyazaki, 1999, Japan)

That's what I've seen from the list. I know it says "incomplete" and it ends at 1999, but it's a pretty shit list.

>No "Bimbo's Initiation"
>No UPA (not even "The Tell Tale Heart")
>No Will Vinton
>Only 1 Bakshi and not even his best
>No Henry Selick
>No "Watership Down" or "Plague Dogs"

And you'd think they'd have put "Fantastic Planet" and "Yellow Submarine" in there just because.

>>88399763
Okay, I didn't see that one, fair enough

>>88399660
Why does the list not go into the 2000s?
>>88399763
>it's mostly shorts.
Odd. I don't usually think of shorts as films.

>>88399879
The 2000s would be a list unto it's own with how animation's changed and how many people are doing it.

>>88399879
>Why does the list not go into the 2000s?

It says "Incomplete", so that's why.

But even looking at what they've covered pre 2000s, it has a lot of gaps (they don't seem to acknowledge stop-motion).

>Harvard University

intothetrash dot jay peg

>>88399548
>harvard urging students to stop using he or she and replace it with ze not to assume students gender
how about no?
how about never?

>>88399660
>My Neighbor Totoro (Hayao Miyazaki, 1988, Japan)

Hate this movie. Never happend less in a movie.

>>88399606
>Revenge of a Kinematograph Cameraman (Ladislas Starewicz, 1912, Russia)

Seriously? Even if you have to limit yourself to ONE Starewicz film, it should ALWAYS be "The Devil's Ball".

https://youtu.be/YtjtKw_mATM

That shit is metal as fuck.

Emile Cohl is the ultimate /co/pleb filter.

>>88399931
>The most accomplished university in the world, that spans a wide array of topics and has entire departments dedicated to making up lists for stupid shit we like (see, this thread) isn't good enough for me

>Arbitrary list compiled by safe-space needing schoolchildren and their enablers

>>88399931
t. Yale

>>88400178
This looks like something the faculty of the film studies department would compile

>no Pinocchio
>no Fantasia

>>88399660

>Only 3 Japanese animated films on the whole list
>They're all Ghibli

Pleb tier garbage.

Did nothing worth watching REALLY not come out after Princess Mononoke?

>>88400383
>Did nothing worth watching REALLY not come out after Princess Mononoke?

Food Fight.

>>88400166
>The greatest empire in the world, that spans a wide array of countries and has entire provinces dedicated to producing single resources like this stupid shit (see, Egypt) isn't good enough for me

t. Roman Empire circa 200 AD

It turns out if you spend years and years squandering your advantages eventually you'll just be a broken down, sub-par pile of garbage ranting about past glories while other institutions take your place as a magnet for real talent

>>88400362
>>Only 3 Japanese animated films on the whole list
>They're all Ghibli

And none of them are Porco Rosso.

>>88400383
>>88400362
It looks like it's a case of "these movies came out when I was in my teens and 20s and now that I'm a professor I'm going to say they're the best shit ever and no one can stop me"

>>88399775
>I know it says "incomplete" and it ends at 1999, but it's a pretty shit list.

>No "Bimbo's Initiation"
>No UPA (not even "The Tell Tale Heart")
>No Will Vinton
>Only 1 Bakshi and not even his best
>No Henry Selick
>No "Watership Down" or "Plague Dogs"

>And you'd think they'd have put "Fantastic Planet" and "Yellow Submarine" in there just because.

They seem to be more interested in artistic or genre merit rather than technical achievement.

"Who Framed Roger Rabbit" is an amazing film on a technical level; the best to ever combine live-action with animation without using computers.

"Rock n Rule" may not be much in terms of story, but Nelvana did a lot of neat tricks to get the animation they wanted, like smearing cow brains on the camera lens to get the correct optical effect for the demon

Even "Heavy Metal" has some visual merit to it; certainly as much as Fritz the Fucking Cat.

>>88400540
This has to be the most far-reaching comment I've seen on /co/, yet.

>>88399922
>(they don't seem to acknowledge stop-motion).

Ladislas Starewicz gets a mention, but it's not even his best film.

And yeah, no acknowledgment of Art Cloaky, Will Vinton, Henry Selick, Jan Svanmajer, Phil Tippet or shit, even movie stop-motion animators like Willis O'Brien or Ray Harryhausen should be a point of educational reference.

It's not a very good list.

>>88400684
*far reaching, forgot the - adds an entire other meaning

>Ctrl+F Satoshi Kon
>0 results
Harvard has shit taste

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>>88399548
>all dem real movies
Who needs modern Hollywood?

>>88400684
you should try reading the U defense force then

>>88401249

At least they gave Hollywood its own section. At first I thought they were snubbing American films on "principle" or whatever.

>>88401249
Unironically this

The one time I went on /tv/ I was derided for being "dadcore"

>>88399606
>>88399636
>>88399660

I've seen like 5 of these tops.

What would you add?

>>88399763
>Snow White
>Not Pinocchio, the best Movie Disney ever made

>>88399606
>>88399636
>>88399660
I'm mostly ok with this list.
I mean, this list is coming from animation specialists in Harvard, definitely smarter guys than me.
I have no right to complain about their selection in the first place.

Yet, if I were them, I'd add to it some UPA shorts, and Ward Kimball's "Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom,"
bcs those are necessary when talking on limited animation.

I'm basically ok with any list, as long as it includes John Lasseter's "Luxo Jr."
That is all that matters to me.

>>88400573
They have a disclaimer on top, this isn't a canon. It's literally just what they know about and is 4 years out of date.

>>88399606
>A “Tom and Jerry” cartoon (Tex Avery, US)
Tex Avery was never involved in the production of any Tom and Jerry short to my knowledge. Shit list.

>>88399606
Why is Gertie listed twice?

>>88399636
Why Fritz? I mean it's not bad but there was better ones if you're only gonna include a single Bakshi.
Also no Hobbit? Don't act like half of us didn't grow up with that among our VHSs.

>>88399660
Why Nausicaa AND Princess Mononoke? I always felt like story wise they were so similar that you're better off recommending Mononoke alone since better animation.

And I just can't help but feel like so much missed.
I mean no Superman or Popeye from Fleischer?
No other Betty Boop or Bimbo like Swing You Sinners, Minnie the Moocher, that Hulla Dance one, or Old Man of the Mountain?
What about Heavy Metal?
Toy Story? Wasn't it like the first full length 3D feature? Seems pretty significant and it is a good flick.
What about Fantasia? The very orchestrated grouping of the best animation for some of the biggest classical hits.
Nothing newer than before 2000?

>>88400003
Idk debatably best soundtrack of all the Miyazaki.
But this list is for animation and yeah it better to list something more action and visual that demonstrates the animation

Maybe Akira or Paranoia Agent or Paprika

Hell why not FLCL but that's more me being a big FLCL fan.

>>88399606
>Only 6 1930's cartoons
>"A “Tom and Jerry” cartoon (Tex Avery, US)"
>"A “Woody Woodpecker” cartoon (Walter Lanz, US)"
>All this irrelevant shit from from here on out
>Neglecting so many actually important shorts

I appreciate the effort, but this is absolute shit as an overview for animation.

>>88400950

No shit like Harvard is has some fuckin authority when it comes to movies

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>>88399548

Very interesting OP now tell me who the fuck is going to take this list seriously

What are the odds of getting a list from 2015 or 2016?

>>88409338
Slim, since only shit has come out in those years

Self-described cartoon manias are pissed off with this list, but they haven't any authority like "Harvard".

I understand your complaint, but people will turn a deaf ear to what you say unless you're a big-shot desu.

>>88399606
>A Roadrunner cartoon (Chuck Jones, US)
>A “Tom and Jerry” cartoon (Tex Avery, US)
>A “Woody Woodpecker” cartoon (Walter Lanz, US)
What's all this then? Are they saying any Roadrunner cartoon will do or are these actual titles of specific cartoons? The latter sounds too coincedental to me.

>>88410132
These people have no objective measures for why any of this is on the list, giving it less credibility than the average YouTube top ten list.

>>88410970
Well Tim and Jerry did mix it up some, and same for woody
But yeah pretty much every Roadrunner cartoon was the same.

No Akira and no Ghost in the Shell.
No Felidae.
Nothing by Bill Plymton.

It seems like the list is made to create a superficial obscure animation knowledge of mostly foreign stuff for that extra pretentiousness with a few "safe" examples sprinkled in.

The generic recommendations for Tom and Jerry, Roadrunner and Woody Woodpecker cartoons under a certain director without listing episodes is highly suspicious.

>>88399606
>>88399636
>>88399660
>this list
I don't wear wool sweaters and listen to smooth jazz.

>>88408345

>Tex Avery was never involved in the production of any Tom and Jerry short to my knowledge

Was it the Chuck Jones era that everyone holds up as the best?

>>88399660
>Luxo Jr. (John Lasseter, 1986, US)

Historically important but shit cartoon. Might as well put the "Money for Nothing" music video on there, jeez.

>>88414867
>Nothing by Bill Plymton.

Holy shit yeah. Big mistake.

Also, no John Weldon or really any representation from the National Film Board of Canada.

Hell, if you want to get educational about the aesthetic and technical decline of a region's animation industry, make students watch an NFC cartoon back to back with a Total Drama or Johnny Test episode. Let it reeeaaaallllyyyyy sink in.

>>88416535
>Was it the Chuck Jones era that everyone holds up as the best?

Holy shit no. Chuck Jones' T&J cartoons aren't nearly as reviled as Gene Deitch's, but they're still bad.

The original Hanna and Barbera shorts for MGM are considered the classics (not to be confused with the T&J TV shorts produced by Hanna Barbara, which are utter shit).

>>88399606
>>88399636
>>88399660
>Ivy league schools having shit taste
nothing new here

>>88400780
>Will Vinton

The guy did almost nothing but commercials.

You really going to make students watch California Raisins and Pep Boys commercials as part of their education in the history of animation?